LOL, I just got the same one for my new s90c. Also purchased BBC Planet Earth 3 in HDR.....amazing...coming from my old 2011 Panasonic plasma gt30. Thanks FOMO, Brian and other reviewers in my research journey this past few months :-)
@@MatthewTyper2015 I was replacing my 50" Panasonic Viera plasma! It still works great, but the value was finally there for the upgrade. I got Planet Earth II as my HDR test disc. I'll have to check out III.
Maybe something that is good to mention here: The Panasonic UB820 and UB9000 have an auto detection function for HDR10/HDR10+/Dolby Vision, but if a disc contains both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision (Which I, at first, wasn't even aware of that it existed), both players default to HDR10+ and you have to disable HDR10+ detection in the player's menu if you want to watch the content in Dolby Vision. ;)
Oppo 205 also defaults to HDR10+ on the discs with both fwiw. The whole 12bit marketing nonsense of DV is utterly pointless with mostly 8bit frc+ and 10bit panels. Plus it's delivered to consumers in a standard 10bit asset. Unlike theatrical Dolby Cinema 12bit 4k laser projection where it actually matters. Regardless, both DV and HDR10+ look great. I will say though that HDR10+ does have better shadow detail because it has a superior 10 point beizer curve tonemapper versus Dolby's 3 point interpolation. Hence the slight black crush on some DV content. So I personally don't fuss over one or the other. Just whatever the disc or streaming platform sends. Experience, someone that owns 1000s of discs import/domestic, Panasonic OLEDs, and owner/experience with all the flagship spinners made.
I chose the Sony UBP-X800M2 because I also like having DVD-AUDIO and SACD support. I really think that features such as auto detection of Dolby Vision and native output video resolution can easilly be added for free via firmware update. I really wish Sony would just give us such a release as a free download to install on the player.
I’ve had the Sony x700 since 2019 and it still works fantastic. I love how it upscales my blu rays to Dolby vision, it looks almost 4k quality. I’ve been thinking of upgrading to the ub820 but I figured there’s really no benefit and I’m just wasting money.
I was using the Samsung J6300 and now have the Sony , it's only a year newer but I'm hoping it really does make a difference but I am realistic as my TV is an entry level one
Having had my fingers burned when Oppo pulled out of the market how long before these new brands from China do the same? I still have my Oppo 105D and yes it is still a great player, but for now the Panasonic UB820 gives me all i need, i would like a UB9000 just for the build quality, but not at 3 times the price.
Sony X700 has a bug where it stops playback when hitting the 3rd layer in UHD100 discs. I tried two different X700s, same issue, sadly. However, the X800M2, with the latest firmware, doesn’t have the issue :)
I'm looking into replacing my Sony x700 in few months. It's gotten more & more glitchy lately with BD-100 discs. Looking at the Panasonic 450 and 820. Leaning toward the 820. Afraid of going with the cheaper model and having the same issues with BD-100 discs. Waiting to see more reviews of it to help me decide.
I've put PAL region disks in the Panasonic UB420 and it plays them no problem. I don't know about NTSC-J though. But I always thought I was missing out on Dolby Vision, so I would concur that the ub820 would be better. I am curious about the UB450, a cheap alternative to the 820.
It was interesting when you mentioned the "auto-detect" mode for Dolby Vision. I have the Sony x700 and have never noticed any issues going back & forth between DV discs and non-DV discs. My player has been set to auto since getting it in 2019. Maybe I am just lucky there. LOL. I don't like the idea of switching settings all the time. So something to think about. That is reason why I want to get a separate unit for playing all-region blurays. I don't want to be switching the regions settings.
I have the panasonic ub420,just got a tcl qm7 now I'm thinking about getting the panasonic ub450 for the dolby vision since most 4k movies have dolby vision and not many have hdr10+
Is the Panasonic DP-UB-150-K a decent pick for $169 USD? It has HDR10+ support and will be paired with a Samsung TV, so I don't really care about Dolby Vision.
Would you recommend I get the Panasonic DP-UB150, the 420, or the Sony X700M? I also plan on getting either the Vizio V51 Series Soundbar system, or the Ultimea Poseidon D60 soundbar system (haven’t decided yet).
Can you make a video on how to setup a home theater using a PS5 as the disc player? PlayStations are the most used players for Blu-Ray/ 4K and would be very useful to see how to get the most out of what you got
What ever player you buy just buy two of them, so while one is being repaired you can still watch 4K movies on the other. How well do the Reavon or Magnetar players hold up, will they last long enough to justify the price?
@FOMO what would you recommend for someone who needs coaxial SPDIF to play CDs in to an external DAC? I’ll be using up the Toslink port coming from the TV coming from the AppleTV [ATV->TV->DAC]. The Pana 820 would be perfect except that it is missing the digital coax. I guessing that makes it a choice between the Pana 9000 vs Magnatar 800? Mahalo!
You forgot to mention that firmware version 1.76, which is the latest version for the Panasonic UB820 and UB9000 as of this writing, has a bug when playing Dolby Vision content on TVs which advertise the ability to show over 1200 nits in Dolby Vision mode which causes the bug to switch the Blu-ray player to output player-led DV instead of TV-led DV. (This is not a problem for the Panasonic UB420 which lacks a DV license.)
What is this bug , explain please. I have a brand new ub820 ( as the Sony I bought m800m2 was PATHETIC! ) and is already on latest firmware. Hooked up to lgc1 . On oled settings in player
I had the reavon x200 and had to return it as it was faulty, now have reavon x110.which apart from the analog and dac seems identical to the x200.have been considering buying the magnetar. Do you think I would get any improvement on 4k video playback or better visuals going from the reavon to the magnetar? Or do you think I won't notice any difference?
I can't see how you will see any difference, it's sending a digital codec to the display. Only difference should be in upscale ( that panasonic is currently the best ) or in some cases hdr optimiser. ( again panasonic is currently top) some players have better audio , with analogue options.
@@iansteventon4221The HDR optimizer is irrelevant for Panasonic OLED owners with the same chipset in the TV. Believe it or not the best player for HDR impact and the highest quality drive mechanism was the Pioneer LX800. The new Panasonic DMR-ZR1 in Japan is better than the 9000, it may finally dethrone the LX800 in raw PQ. Panasonic finally added 25/50p output matching for BD PAL format content on the ZR1, the lack of which on the 9000 disqualified it as a reference player in my book due to erroneous PAL->NTSC framerate conversion. The 9000 is also a terrible file player unlike the Oppos, Pioneers and Magnetars of the world. The Magnetar has a very cheap drive for the price, but no worse than Raveons. Magnetars are better than Raveon just the Oppo style firmware alone makes it worth having over the Raveon.
I'm just about to upgrade all my home cinema with an LG C4 and the Panasonic UB820. I still have quite a few 3D Blu Ray Discs, but how will my new system play them? I thought 4K made 3D movies less popular. Am I wrong? Can you give me hope? Thanks
I have a Sony X800M2 and I honestly have no idea what you mean about having to manually set DV. I enabled it once in the settings and it doesn't seem to stumble or produce bad (non-HDR) results when playing back discs that don't have DV.
Depending on the non-DV content, if you compared them side by side, the colors will be slightly off as the X800M2 is outputing everything as DV which is incorrect - check your TV to see if your TV thinks it's receiving DV
My ps5 is connected to my Samsung s89C that doesn't support Dolby vision anyway. my sony ubp-x700 is connected to my x95K that supports DV. The setups work great.
This is a great review/comparison, but you left out the ES-series Sony UBP-X1100ES. I was able to pick one of these up as an Open Box item when a local Magnolia room inside of Best Buy was selling off their demo unit and got it for an insane $220. Far and away the best Blu-ray player I've ever owned.
Got the X700 as my first ever player, don’t really see the difference between the Series X, PS5 or the player, looks all the same to me. Also have no idea what Dolby vision is. And if you were to say it just has better picture, still wouldn’t know what you’re saying.
You mention 3D support, what TVs support 3d movies these days?? I have wondered if 3d would be done with lcd glasses since the refresh rates are over 120Hz on many screens so you could get 60hz per eye.
Fiber optic is purely audio, nothing to do with video. Fiber optic also can’t do all of the audio formats. I don’t believe it can do Atmos or DTS-X at all, it also wouldn’t be able to automatically turn on devices and switch to the correct port like HDMI.
I have a 77inch C1 with 7.2.4 Sonos. Rather than upgrade to an Arc Ultra (for now) I’m going to invest in a blu ray player. Leaning towards the Sony 800. 🤔 Ok after watching this I’m thinking the Panasonic ub820 might be the ticket.
Great video. Thanks for sharing. Are there any TVs that support Dolby Vision, HDR10+ AND 3D? I have a few 3D Blu-ray movies, that I used to watch in an old LG TV with PS3. But, nowadays, I feel I'm stuck with thoses movies, with no means to watch them. Any suggestions, anyone?
I own the X700M, the X800M2 and the X1100ES from Sony. With all of them (and I use them all the time with my collection of over 50 4K movies) I have never once had any of them freeze or skip on any disc I have ever put into them. Do note here that it was determined that several disc stamping facilities out of Asia over the past few years were known to be putting incorrectly stamped/pressed defective discs out into the marketplace. Some of the Sony players were freezing at the layer boundary transition on many of those flawed discs. The freezing problem with these players was much more likely due to issues relating to those flawed discs rather than anything with the players themselves. As always though, be sure and keep your players up to date with the latest firmware updates. Sony is one of the very best companies out there when it comes to issuing updates for their players to keep them as up to date, issue-free and current as possible.
@@bradmyers4923 that’s the reason I got the Panasonic DP-UB820 when it was on sale instead. No problems with any disks and it auto detects Dolby Vision automatically
I have been using the Sony X700 for a while now and aside from supporting 4K HDR and Dolby Vision/Atmos, and DTS:X, it can also play back SACD and DVD-A. I do have a couple of SACDs and a DVD-A discs so it makes me happy that I can play these back without having to buy extra gear specifically for those formats. I may be mistaken but I believe the X700 can also playback 3D movies. I had a look at my X700's settings and found some settings for 3D output. I don't watch 3D movies and my TV does not support 3D so this feature is not important to me at all. The manual switching on and off of Dolby Vision is only a minor inconvenience though. The other downside I can say is that I have experienced some skipping and freezing issues with the X700 while other times, the whole thing just ran smoothly. I am not sure though if it's the device or the disc that's defective.
LG UBK90 is a good competitor to the Sony X700. Super basic interface but quick load times, auto detect Dolby Vision, 3D support, Dual HDMI out for those with older receiver /processor that don't support Dolby Vision pass thru. Reavon owner here, YES IT DOES DO DOLBY VISION AUTO DETECT! Where did you get the idea it doesn't? The better option is the X110 as it has both DVD-Audio and SACD support the Panansonic 9000 doesn't. I haven't used a Magnetar, but from what I have read and seen it is a better player than the Reavon X200 but the X200 at it's price does offer analog 7.1 out for even older receiver/processors or multi channel SACD.
I got the Sony UBP x700m over two years ago and it has played 4k discs flawlessly. At first irksome having to manually turn Dolby Vision on or off, but it's quick and easy with just a few clicks and I quickly got used to it. Or just leave it on auto HDR and forget about Dolby...I really can't tell the difference on my set, and HDR looks fantastic already. I paid just $150 new on Amazon sale and every year in the fall it goes on sale for under $170.
So your telling me since sush a player would last quite long, i might has well invest on the 400$ one and that way i have it forever till i die? 😂 thanks
@@Jodez23 Latest firmware has issues with Dolby Vision. The UB820 is a great player but Panasonic’s quality control is a bit spotty. Many have received glitched players new right out of the box. My first 820 bought new was a lemon and had to be replaced. If you’re lucky enough to get one that works, leave it alone and enjoy it.
Fomo says the remote is great for the 820 but all the reviews I've seen that mention it say its poorly designed and i have to agree. The navigation buttons are smaller than the Netflix button-- that always gets hit instead, abd and theyre at ghe very bottom of the remote. Also no subtitle button. Overall tho the Panasonic does seem like a better player than the Sony 700 but it still has issues the Sony is better for. Like it auto upscales dvd and BD to the 4k output accepted by the tv. Whereas the Sony allows you to turn off upscaling. It will still upscale DVD to 1080p tho.
Ordered the Panasonic UB820 and pre ordered the Bravia 9 🫡 I know OLED is superior but I want to check the new Bravia 9 out and maybe eventually get an OLED down the line, can't wait! The UB820-K just shipped 🎉
Hi! I have the UBP-X700/M, great device,*it does support 3D Bluray playback* (5:55 ), Dolby Vision works great, even if you have to manually turn it on every time you put in a DV 4k disc, sadly it doesn’t change automatically. If you leave DV On the device sends all content, even SDR, in a forced DV which might not be a problem for many, but it does look forced.
Got the oppo 203 at launch and added pioneer elite lx500 BD player. These are my go to players for quite a while Now. I still buy movies on disk due very poor Dolby atmos on streaming service almost no dynamic at all. DV is too dim vs HDR 10, DV locks all the picture trying while HDR 10 let you change brightness, in my opinion ignore DV hype.
They don't support Dolby Vision disc playback so not an issue for Samsung TVs but if you have a flagship LG OLED and you want to watch DV on disc, you'll have to get the Sony X700M at the very least.
In my experience, the XBox series X is very loud when playing 4k discs. I don't know if it's the dvd mechanism itself or the fan, but either way, unless you plan on listening to the movie at very high volume, the loudness of the machine makes watching 4k discs on xbox a no-go for me.
I have a Panosonic ub 820 and I can say for the money, it's the best player currently in production. Picture looks great, easy ui, all the features most people need. In my opionion and from what I read the best 4k player ever made is the out of production OPPO UDP-203. Might invest in one in a while, at least $1k on ebay, so its defiently an investment.
The Panasonic players also support 4k 'SDR' (I'm not talking about 4k HDR) playback in 10 bit, such as the Kino Lorber 'Dollars trilogy. The other players output 4K SDR in 8 bit...thereby reducing the quality down instead of playing it in true 10 bit. Also, the Panasonic players perform test pattern playback better when using the spears and munsil test discs. There are less jaggies and noise, practically none. In real world content on TV screens when pixel peeping, its probably not noticeable. But, for the perfectionists out there, the Panasonic has the best video processing.
Your prices from Best Buy are crazy. I know this video is 7 months old. But those prices are higher than they should have been. The Sony x700 was less than $200 back in 2019 when I got mine.
I recently bought the Sony UDP-X700M to pair with my December purchase of an LG C3. LG has properly executed Dolby Vision and a better GUI (WebOS) than Sony or Samsung. I don't know why people were pushing for the Samsung QD-OLED when I've found my LG C3 does just fine in a bright sunlit room and gives a nice bright picture. So, I'm very happy with my buys.
I own a Sony UBP-X1100ES for 4, years. Works very well in every respect. Don't know why Sony removed it from their site long before its availabiity ceased.
@@iansteventon4221- No, absolutely not, the ub9000 has a premium disc drive, and is much quieter spinning discs. David, is right. The internal components of the ub9000 are superior too.
U8N has a better image processor that's more refined than '23 QM8 but the X90L $1600 75" is a good price for a great out of the box experience, I'd go with the Sony for overall ownership experience even if the U8N has better image quality in terms of brightness and HDR impact, Sony skin tones look better without calibration
This video would have been more interesting if you had said if there was a difference in the picture. I also think it will be interesting if you make a 4k blu ray vs pc video and compare the picture quality. Many people from Europe use their computer for this.
@@BobFrostV I ended up going for the 820 in the end - despite the above comment, the 450 does not support Dolby Vision. Not a single complaint from me so far 👍
@@mrbrit6746 That's fine. The UB450 does support DV though! lol I have one and enjoyed DV on my 100" last night. It even auto switches between HDR10+ and DV. The UB450 isn't the UB420. It used to be available in EU only but just launched for purchase in the US recently. It costs $200 instead of $500 like the 820.
@@BobFrostV Ohhh yeah my bad. The UB450 however has a different upscaler compared to the UB420. DVDs and Blu Rays upscale to 4K much better, hence why it is a highly sought after player
How many tvs support 3d & dolby vision on planet earth? I'd guess 0. I had to return the Sony m800m2, wouldn't play triple layer discs without freezing. My ub820 has been performing perfectly. I'd recommend panasonic ub820 💯 %.
Buying a good quality BluRay play is pretty easy. Getting discs that play every time is the tough part! I've bought far too many brand new bad discs. SUX! It's especially bad when a bad disc or two in in a box set. My Transformers 4k box set is awful!
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I have the Sony X800 & X800M2, Panasonic UB820, and Sony PlayStation 5. The Sony XM800 and PlayStation have the cleanest picture. The XM800 has a cleaner picture than the M800M2. The Panasonic UB820 has a slightly warmer picture tone than all of the Sonys and the colors are more saturated. The Panasonic UB820 can also provide custom tone mapping to brighten the APL on 4K HDR (non Dolby Vision) discs. The Sony X800 series is made of metal. The Panasonic UB820 is plastic. My go to player is the Sony X800 (original) as it has the cleanest picture. The Sonys, except the PlayStation 5, play SACDs if that is important to you. The PlayStation does not play any kind of music disc. The Panasonic has a feature where you can simulate vacuum tube sound for CDs if that is your thing. Burning question FOMO...why do you have a disc player when you have the Kaleidescape system? For Spears & Munsil and a large disc collection?
Does your Sony's have skipping issues from time to time? I had to ditch my Panasonice UB820 because it had problems on 2 out of every 10 discs. Im considering another panasonic but scared, I may get burned again. Thinking about the Sony, it seems as though you like them. Is switching the dolby atmos a serious annoyance?
@@Slyclientthetechdad No the Sonys don’t skip. The Sonys, except for the PS5, can freeze. I’ve had this happen a couple of times. Disconnecting the Sonys from the WiFi cures this. Since I use them as disc players only and an Apple TV for streaming, not an issue for me. My main TV is an older Sony A9G. I don’t see any benefit of Dolby Vision vs HDR10 on it. To switch to Dolby Vision mode on the 800XM2, you have to go into the menu system. Not a big deal for me.
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Panasonic UB420 does support HDR10+.
Good 👍
OMG you're right! thanks for the correction
Just bought one to go with my S89C. Very pleased with both so far.
LOL, I just got the same one for my new s90c. Also purchased BBC Planet Earth 3 in HDR.....amazing...coming from my old 2011 Panasonic plasma gt30. Thanks FOMO, Brian and other reviewers in my research journey this past few months :-)
@@MatthewTyper2015 I was replacing my 50" Panasonic Viera plasma! It still works great, but the value was finally there for the upgrade. I got Planet Earth II as my HDR test disc. I'll have to check out III.
Maybe something that is good to mention here: The Panasonic UB820 and UB9000 have an auto detection function for HDR10/HDR10+/Dolby Vision, but if a disc contains both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision (Which I, at first, wasn't even aware of that it existed), both players default to HDR10+ and you have to disable HDR10+ detection in the player's menu if you want to watch the content in Dolby Vision. ;)
Oppo 205 also defaults to HDR10+ on the discs with both fwiw. The whole 12bit marketing nonsense of DV is utterly pointless with mostly 8bit frc+ and 10bit panels. Plus it's delivered to consumers in a standard 10bit asset. Unlike theatrical Dolby Cinema 12bit 4k laser projection where it actually matters. Regardless, both DV and HDR10+ look great. I will say though that HDR10+ does have better shadow detail because it has a superior 10 point beizer curve tonemapper versus Dolby's 3 point interpolation. Hence the slight black crush on some DV content. So I personally don't fuss over one or the other. Just whatever the disc or streaming platform sends. Experience, someone that owns 1000s of discs import/domestic, Panasonic OLEDs, and owner/experience with all the flagship spinners made.
I had a Panasonic UB-9000 - it went out at 4yrs & I switched to the Sony x800M2 - haven’t had any problems
Sony UBP-X800M for $10 from my favorite thrift store. It even came with a remote which is rare for most thrift stores.
Sony X700M does play 3D Blu-ray. Why did you say it doesn't?
I chose the Sony UBP-X800M2 because I also like having DVD-AUDIO and SACD support. I really think that features such as auto detection of Dolby Vision and native output video resolution can easilly be added for free via firmware update. I really wish Sony would just give us such a release as a free download to install on the player.
Sony giving something for free? Lol!
I’ve had the Sony x700 since 2019 and it still works fantastic. I love how it upscales my blu rays to Dolby vision, it looks almost 4k quality. I’ve been thinking of upgrading to the ub820 but I figured there’s really no benefit and I’m just wasting money.
I was using the Samsung J6300 and now have the Sony , it's only a year newer but I'm hoping it really does make a difference but I am realistic as my TV is an entry level one
Having had my fingers burned when Oppo pulled out of the market
how long before these new brands from China do the same?
I still have my Oppo 105D and yes it is still a great player, but for now
the Panasonic UB820 gives me all i need, i would like a UB9000
just for the build quality, but not at 3 times the price.
What about the UB450?
I got the Sony UBP X700M and it works great. 🤩👍
I have a Panasonic UB420 and I am happy with it.😊
I never gave you your props as a reviewer & content creator but this video was Dope & very much appreciated 👍🏿
Sony X700 has a bug where it stops playback when hitting the 3rd layer in UHD100 discs. I tried two different X700s, same issue, sadly. However, the X800M2, with the latest firmware, doesn’t have the issue :)
thanks for that!
@@stopthefomo my pleasure! FOMO I have the old model Sony X95J. What would you recommend in terms of HDR impact in a moderately bright room? 77 inch.
I'm looking into replacing my Sony x700 in few months. It's gotten more & more glitchy lately with BD-100 discs. Looking at the Panasonic 450 and 820. Leaning toward the 820. Afraid of going with the cheaper model and having the same issues with BD-100 discs. Waiting to see more reviews of it to help me decide.
I've put PAL region disks in the Panasonic UB420 and it plays them no problem. I don't know about NTSC-J though. But I always thought I was missing out on Dolby Vision, so I would concur that the ub820 would be better. I am curious about the UB450, a cheap alternative to the 820.
It was interesting when you mentioned the "auto-detect" mode for Dolby Vision. I have the Sony x700 and have never noticed any issues going back & forth between DV discs and non-DV discs. My player has been set to auto since getting it in 2019. Maybe I am just lucky there. LOL. I don't like the idea of switching settings all the time. So something to think about. That is reason why I want to get a separate unit for playing all-region blurays. I don't want to be switching the regions settings.
I have the panasonic ub420,just got a tcl qm7 now I'm thinking about getting the panasonic ub450 for the dolby vision since most 4k movies have dolby vision and not many have hdr10+
I have an Oppo UDP-203 and it still works great after 8 years.
they should have kept making it, just on a smaller scale. I'll never forgive them for ending it.
an excellent player to THIS DAY, not much has changed LOL
Never sell it. If the laser goes bad, it's a cheap part made by Sony used in all UHD BD drives regardless the model. It's a $30 part.
I was aiming to get a UB820, but I stumbled upon a UB450 for 30 dollar in a thrift shop. So I can't complain about it.
Is the Panasonic DP-UB-150-K a decent pick for $169 USD? It has HDR10+ support and will be paired with a Samsung TV, so I don't really care about Dolby Vision.
It doesn’t have the hcx processor which everyone glories Panasonic players. So for few more bucks get ub420.
Would you recommend I get the Panasonic DP-UB150, the 420, or the Sony X700M? I also plan on getting either the Vizio V51 Series Soundbar system, or the Ultimea Poseidon D60 soundbar system (haven’t decided yet).
What about the Panasonic DP-UB450GN?
Can you make a video on how to setup a home theater using a PS5 as the disc player? PlayStations are the most used players for Blu-Ray/ 4K and would be very useful to see how to get the most out of what you got
What ever player you buy just buy two of them, so while one is being repaired you can still watch 4K movies on the other.
How well do the Reavon or Magnetar players hold up, will they last long enough to justify the price?
My Panasonic UB 820 is still going strong Woot!!
How long you have it? I just got one of ebay that was made in 2019 without checking first 😅
I have a Panasonic DMP-Ub900 how does this stack up to these on the list?
Which of these players has option to select TV-led or Player-led video processing?
Maybe UK Stock . My Sony X700 has both Dolby Vision and 3D .. Firmware upgrade ??
Hello.
With which tv do you watch your Blu-ray ?
But What About Dolby Atmos? Do All Of Them Support It Or They Don't Need To If The Disc Has It?
@FOMO what would you recommend for someone who needs coaxial SPDIF to play CDs in to an external DAC? I’ll be using up the Toslink port coming from the TV coming from the AppleTV [ATV->TV->DAC]. The Pana 820 would be perfect except that it is missing the digital coax. I guessing that makes it a choice between the Pana 9000 vs Magnatar 800? Mahalo!
You forgot to mention that firmware version 1.76, which is the latest version for the Panasonic UB820 and UB9000 as of this writing, has a bug when playing Dolby Vision content on TVs which advertise the ability to show over 1200 nits in Dolby Vision mode which causes the bug to switch the Blu-ray player to output player-led DV instead of TV-led DV. (This is not a problem for the Panasonic UB420 which lacks a DV license.)
CRAZY, you're right I completely forgot about that (it's why I didn't update my firmware)
What is this bug , explain please. I have a brand new ub820 ( as the Sony I bought m800m2 was PATHETIC! ) and is already on latest firmware. Hooked up to lgc1 . On oled settings in player
@@iansteventon4221 LG C1 cannot get bright enough to trigger this bug.
@@jnvivian Woohoo ☺ thanks
Firmware Version 1.82 is out now. Fixed the problem
I had the reavon x200 and had to return it as it was faulty, now have reavon x110.which apart from the analog and dac seems identical to the x200.have been considering buying the magnetar. Do you think I would get any improvement on 4k video playback or better visuals going from the reavon to the magnetar? Or do you think I won't notice any difference?
I can't see how you will see any difference, it's sending a digital codec to the display. Only difference should be in upscale ( that panasonic is currently the best ) or in some cases hdr optimiser. ( again panasonic is currently top) some players have better audio , with analogue options.
@@iansteventon4221The HDR optimizer is irrelevant for Panasonic OLED owners with the same chipset in the TV. Believe it or not the best player for HDR impact and the highest quality drive mechanism was the Pioneer LX800. The new Panasonic DMR-ZR1 in Japan is better than the 9000, it may finally dethrone the LX800 in raw PQ. Panasonic finally added 25/50p output matching for BD PAL format content on the ZR1, the lack of which on the 9000 disqualified it as a reference player in my book due to erroneous PAL->NTSC framerate conversion. The 9000 is also a terrible file player unlike the Oppos, Pioneers and Magnetars of the world. The Magnetar has a very cheap drive for the price, but no worse than Raveons. Magnetars are better than Raveon just the Oppo style firmware alone makes it worth having over the Raveon.
I'm just about to upgrade all my home cinema with an LG C4 and the Panasonic UB820. I still have quite a few 3D Blu Ray Discs, but how will my new system play them? I thought 4K made 3D movies less popular. Am I wrong? Can you give me hope? Thanks
Unfortunately, your LG C4 does not support 3D.
I have a Sony X800M2 and I honestly have no idea what you mean about having to manually set DV.
I enabled it once in the settings and it doesn't seem to stumble or produce bad (non-HDR) results when playing back discs that don't have DV.
Depending on the non-DV content, if you compared them side by side, the colors will be slightly off as the X800M2 is outputing everything as DV which is incorrect - check your TV to see if your TV thinks it's receiving DV
Can't the players convert DolbyVision to another format on the output?
Got my UB820 3 months ago for 370€ (~399$) and so far i love it. The HDR optimizer feature is great too!
I love the Panasonic 820. It has a great light adjustment setting to change the brightness depending on the lighting
Is it worth it for a Panasonic LZ1500e to get a dolby vision bluray?
I don't think so, the differences are so minor
I got the Sony UBP-x700 for $80 on Ebay. It rocks!
why your room is so dark and why the white globes?
I found this via youtube search 6 minutes after you uploaded XD perfect timing!
The Sony UBP-X800M2 will turn on Dolby Vision automatically if Bravia Mode is on (for Sony TV's)
My ps5 is connected to my Samsung s89C that doesn't support Dolby vision anyway. my sony ubp-x700 is connected to my x95K that supports DV. The setups work great.
This is a great review/comparison, but you left out the ES-series Sony UBP-X1100ES. I was able to pick one of these up as an Open Box item when a local Magnolia room inside of Best Buy was selling off their demo unit and got it for an insane $220. Far and away the best Blu-ray player I've ever owned.
Probably left it out because it's discontinued.
Got the X700 as my first ever player, don’t really see the difference between the Series X, PS5 or the player, looks all the same to me. Also have no idea what Dolby vision is. And if you were to say it just has better picture, still wouldn’t know what you’re saying.
the panasonic 820 also has 7.1 analog output!
You mention 3D support, what TVs support 3d movies these days?? I have wondered if 3d would be done with lcd glasses since the refresh rates are over 120Hz on many screens so you could get 60hz per eye.
Projectors.
What’s the big difference between between a fiber optic and the other cables, it benefits the image or something ?
Fiber optic is purely audio, nothing to do with video. Fiber optic also can’t do all of the audio formats. I don’t believe it can do Atmos or DTS-X at all, it also wouldn’t be able to automatically turn on devices and switch to the correct port like HDMI.
I have a 77inch C1 with 7.2.4 Sonos. Rather than upgrade to an Arc Ultra (for now) I’m going to invest in a blu ray player. Leaning towards the Sony 800. 🤔
Ok after watching this I’m thinking the Panasonic ub820 might be the ticket.
G3 77" paired with DP-UB450GN-K
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Are there any TVs that support Dolby Vision, HDR10+ AND 3D?
I have a few 3D Blu-ray movies, that I used to watch in an old LG TV with PS3. But, nowadays, I feel I'm stuck with thoses movies, with no means to watch them.
Any suggestions, anyone?
You have to go projector for all that.
No one is going to talk about the Sony players having issues freezing up while playing?
I own the X700M, the X800M2 and the X1100ES from Sony. With all of them (and I use them all the time with my collection of over 50 4K movies) I have never once had any of them freeze or skip on any disc I have ever put into them. Do note here that it was determined that several disc stamping facilities out of Asia over the past few years were known to be putting incorrectly stamped/pressed defective discs out into the marketplace. Some of the Sony players were freezing at the layer boundary transition on many of those flawed discs. The freezing problem with these players was much more likely due to issues relating to those flawed discs rather than anything with the players themselves. As always though, be sure and keep your players up to date with the latest firmware updates. Sony is one of the very best companies out there when it comes to issuing updates for their players to keep them as up to date, issue-free and current as possible.
@@michaelbeckerman7532 that’s weird. Most people on UA-cam have issues with them and whenever they use the same disk on a Panasonic it just works
I’ve had an X800M2 and it freezes on brand new 4k discs as well as perfectly cleaned used 4k discs! The thing is driving me nuts!
@@bradmyers4923 that’s the reason I got the Panasonic DP-UB820 when it was on sale instead. No problems with any disks and it auto detects Dolby Vision automatically
Mine also freezes all the time!
I own and love my Panasonic UB 9000 4K THX Blu-ray player! Sometimes you wanna own the best!👍
I have been using the Sony X700 for a while now and aside from supporting 4K HDR and Dolby Vision/Atmos, and DTS:X, it can also play back SACD and DVD-A. I do have a couple of SACDs and a DVD-A discs so it makes me happy that I can play these back without having to buy extra gear specifically for those formats. I may be mistaken but I believe the X700 can also playback 3D movies. I had a look at my X700's settings and found some settings for 3D output. I don't watch 3D movies and my TV does not support 3D so this feature is not important to me at all. The manual switching on and off of Dolby Vision is only a minor inconvenience though. The other downside I can say is that I have experienced some skipping and freezing issues with the X700 while other times, the whole thing just ran smoothly. I am not sure though if it's the device or the disc that's defective.
LG UBK90 is a good competitor to the Sony X700. Super basic interface but quick load times, auto detect Dolby Vision, 3D support, Dual HDMI out for those with older receiver /processor that don't support Dolby Vision pass thru. Reavon owner here, YES IT DOES DO DOLBY VISION AUTO DETECT! Where did you get the idea it doesn't? The better option is the X110 as it has both DVD-Audio and SACD support the Panansonic 9000 doesn't. I haven't used a Magnetar, but from what I have read and seen it is a better player than the Reavon X200 but the X200 at it's price does offer analog 7.1 out for even older receiver/processors or multi channel SACD.
I got the Sony UBP x700m over two years ago and it has played 4k discs flawlessly. At first irksome having to manually turn Dolby Vision on or off, but it's quick and easy with just a few clicks and I quickly got used to it. Or just leave it on auto HDR and forget about Dolby...I really can't tell the difference on my set, and HDR looks fantastic already. I paid just $150 new on Amazon sale and every year in the fall it goes on sale for under $170.
So your telling me since sush a player would last quite long, i might has well invest on the 400$ one and that way i have it forever till i die? 😂 thanks
My advice is to find a Panny UB820 that works flawlessly out the box, don’t update the firmware and leave it disconnected from the internet.
What's wrong with the firmware?
@@Jodez23 Latest firmware has issues with Dolby Vision. The UB820 is a great player but Panasonic’s quality control is a bit spotty. Many have received glitched players new right out of the box. My first 820 bought new was a lemon and had to be replaced. If you’re lucky enough to get one that works, leave it alone and enjoy it.
Fomo says the remote is great for the 820 but all the reviews I've seen that mention it say its poorly designed and i have to agree. The navigation buttons are smaller than the Netflix button-- that always gets hit instead, abd and theyre at ghe very bottom of the remote. Also no subtitle button.
Overall tho the Panasonic does seem like a better player than the Sony 700 but it still has issues the Sony is better for. Like it auto upscales dvd and BD to the 4k output accepted by the tv. Whereas the Sony allows you to turn off upscaling. It will still upscale DVD to 1080p tho.
What’s the brightest mastered HDR Blu-ray movie?
I believe Mad Max Fury Road is mastered to 10 000 nits
Ordered the Panasonic UB820 and pre ordered the Bravia 9 🫡 I know OLED is superior but I want to check the new Bravia 9 out and maybe eventually get an OLED down the line, can't wait! The UB820-K just shipped 🎉
Where would a PS5 fit in all this? What feature(s) would it be missing?
Wow! Good timing I was just asking people what’s the best blue ray! Thanks! 😎👍🏻
I forgot to ask if I have a sound bar how would you recommend connecting it? I have the LG G3 and a AMBEO MAX
Hi! I have the UBP-X700/M, great device,*it does support 3D Bluray playback* (5:55 ), Dolby Vision works great, even if you have to manually turn it on every time you put in a DV 4k disc, sadly it doesn’t change automatically. If you leave DV On the device sends all content, even SDR, in a forced DV which might not be a problem for many, but it does look forced.
thanks for that correction!
Got the oppo 203 at launch and added pioneer elite lx500 BD player. These are my go to players for quite a while
Now. I still buy movies on disk due very poor Dolby atmos on streaming service almost no dynamic at all.
DV is too dim vs HDR 10, DV locks all the picture trying while HDR 10 let you change brightness, in my opinion ignore DV hype.
How does the Xbox and PS5 fair ?
They don't support Dolby Vision disc playback so not an issue for Samsung TVs but if you have a flagship LG OLED and you want to watch DV on disc, you'll have to get the Sony X700M at the very least.
In my experience, the XBox series X is very loud when playing 4k discs. I don't know if it's the dvd mechanism itself or the fan, but either way, unless you plan on listening to the movie at very high volume, the loudness of the machine makes watching 4k discs on xbox a no-go for me.
@@stancartmankennyexactly my experience too! I bought a Panasonic UB820 for this reason and it also outputs Dolby Vision as a bonus.
I have a Panosonic ub 820 and I can say for the money, it's the best player currently in production. Picture looks great, easy ui, all the features most people need. In my opionion and from what I read the best 4k player ever made is the out of production OPPO UDP-203. Might invest in one in a while, at least $1k on ebay, so its defiently an investment.
The Panasonic players also support 4k 'SDR' (I'm not talking about 4k HDR) playback in 10 bit, such as the Kino Lorber 'Dollars trilogy. The other players output 4K SDR in 8 bit...thereby reducing the quality down instead of playing it in true 10 bit. Also, the Panasonic players perform test pattern playback better when using the spears and munsil test discs. There are less jaggies and noise, practically none. In real world content on TV screens when pixel peeping, its probably not noticeable. But, for the perfectionists out there, the Panasonic has the best video processing.
Use Oppo 203 & Panasonic 820 with my JVC 4K projector.
What is the point if 3D when no tv is 3D anymore unfortunately
I think the resolution would look better if you had lenses in your glasses
The sony X700m support 3D
I’m using the Samsung 4k from way back paired with the Samsung S90C. Still has a nice picture.
Your prices from Best Buy are crazy. I know this video is 7 months old. But those prices are higher than they should have been. The Sony x700 was less than $200 back in 2019 when I got mine.
I recently bought the Sony UDP-X700M to pair with my December purchase of an LG C3. LG has properly executed Dolby Vision and a better GUI (WebOS) than Sony or Samsung. I don't know why people were pushing for the Samsung QD-OLED when I've found my LG C3 does just fine in a bright sunlit room and gives a nice bright picture. So, I'm very happy with my buys.
UB20 does regional free. It’s just not an advertised feature.
Which among this is region free!?!
Nice Video !
You missed the one in the sweet spot: Panasonic UB450. It does Dolby Vision, HDR10+, auto-detect, and is under $200.
YOU'RE RIGHT it's only available on Amazon amzn.to/3WDtoQi
but weird I've never heard of it until now - THANKS
@@stopthefomo Neither had I. My wife stopped me right before I spent $400 and sent me the listing. Just got it delivered today.
I own a Sony UBP-X1100ES for 4, years. Works very well in every respect. Don't know why Sony removed it from their site long before its availabiity ceased.
Don’t forget, you get a better disc drive on the UB9000
My dealer told me it was the same disc driver as the ub820. Only audio was improved for analogue.
@@iansteventon4221- No, absolutely not, the ub9000 has a premium disc drive, and is much quieter spinning discs. David, is right. The internal components of the ub9000 are superior too.
75 inch
23 qm8 $1200
U8n $1500 (best buy plus 500 off)
Or x90l $1600
Opinions please
U8N has a better image processor that's more refined than '23 QM8 but the X90L $1600 75" is a good price for a great out of the box experience, I'd go with the Sony for overall ownership experience even if the U8N has better image quality in terms of brightness and HDR impact, Sony skin tones look better without calibration
@@stopthefomo appreciate the input thanks love the videos
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Panasonic ub 450 has hd10+ and Dolby Vision :)
This video would have been more interesting if you had said if there was a difference in the picture. I also think it will be interesting if you make a 4k blu ray vs pc video and compare the picture quality. Many people from Europe use their computer for this.
pre-owned lg ubk90 for around $100-150 on ebay is decent player imo
Panasonic UB-450 is a great wee player. Same chip as the 820 and 9000. Supports Dolby Vision and HDR10+. Dual outputs. Got mine for £180.
I’ve heard the upscaling of DVDs and Blu Rays isn’t as good with the UB450? Have you had much experience with this?
My ub450 I just got runs like shit. Fails reads, skips when lagging, eject button is often unresponsive...
@@BobFrostV I ended up going for the 820 in the end - despite the above comment, the 450 does not support Dolby Vision. Not a single complaint from me so far 👍
@@mrbrit6746 That's fine. The UB450 does support DV though! lol I have one and enjoyed DV on my 100" last night. It even auto switches between HDR10+ and DV. The UB450 isn't the UB420. It used to be available in EU only but just launched for purchase in the US recently. It costs $200 instead of $500 like the 820.
@@BobFrostV Ohhh yeah my bad. The UB450 however has a different upscaler compared to the UB420. DVDs and Blu Rays upscale to 4K much better, hence why it is a highly sought after player
True but I live the built quality of Panasonic UBP-9000
Thank you for covering this. I'm actually going to start buying 4k DVD.
Thanks
I thibk our UB450EK is quite a bit better than your recommended 420
you are correct - I completely missed this as I never knew it existed!
How many tvs support 3d & dolby vision on planet earth? I'd guess 0.
I had to return the Sony m800m2, wouldn't play triple layer discs without freezing. My ub820 has been performing perfectly. I'd recommend panasonic ub820 💯 %.
Buying a good quality BluRay play is pretty easy. Getting discs that play every time is the tough part! I've bought far too many brand new bad discs. SUX! It's especially bad when a bad disc or two in in a box set. My Transformers 4k box set is awful!
😮I feel weird . I don’t think 🤔 I have ever watched blue ray ! 😮😅 oh maybe once at Neighbor house 🏠 BUT this is def a treat for ppl already have collect the Blue Ray films !
I have the Sony X800 & X800M2, Panasonic UB820, and Sony PlayStation 5. The Sony XM800 and PlayStation have the cleanest picture. The XM800 has a cleaner picture than the M800M2. The Panasonic UB820 has a slightly warmer picture tone than all of the Sonys and the colors are more saturated. The Panasonic UB820 can also provide custom tone mapping to brighten the APL on 4K HDR (non Dolby Vision) discs. The Sony X800 series is made of metal. The Panasonic UB820 is plastic. My go to player is the Sony X800 (original) as it has the cleanest picture. The Sonys, except the PlayStation 5, play SACDs if that is important to you. The PlayStation does not play any kind of music disc. The Panasonic has a feature where you can simulate vacuum tube sound for CDs if that is your thing.
Burning question FOMO...why do you have a disc player when you have the Kaleidescape system? For Spears & Munsil and a large disc collection?
Does your Sony's have skipping issues from time to time? I had to ditch my Panasonice UB820 because it had problems on 2 out of every 10 discs. Im considering another panasonic but scared, I may get burned again. Thinking about the Sony, it seems as though you like them. Is switching the dolby atmos a serious annoyance?
@@Slyclientthetechdad No the Sonys don’t skip. The Sonys, except for the PS5, can freeze. I’ve had this happen a couple of times. Disconnecting the Sonys from the WiFi cures this. Since I use them as disc players only and an Apple TV for streaming, not an issue for me. My main TV is an older Sony A9G. I don’t see any benefit of Dolby Vision vs HDR10 on it. To switch to Dolby Vision mode on the 800XM2, you have to go into the menu system. Not a big deal for me.
@@mikelittrell6200 Thank you, I appreciate the feedback.
FOMO, for $500 you can buy 4k Digital Video Player with HDD and play all your favorite movies from it, HDR, DV, Atmos or whatever you want.
Plus you don't need to buy $30-50 disks anymore, wich scratches very easily and it's a WASTE OF $$$$.
I have at least, 30 TB capable HDD's and will buy more. Her's your solution.
FOMO!!!!
STAN THE MAN!
Paid 350 for this on black Friday
ps5 plus you can play games
TRUE, it's only an issue if you want to play Dolby Vision discs
Panasonic DP-UB9000 has multi-region support.
I think you also have to get a special firmware update as it's not OEM multi-region right?
@@stopthefomo By using the original remote and a series of codes with the buttons you can change the region. It's available on Google 😁