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his argument is also invalid because i was born in 1999 and i was there to witness Faker's debut. I was 13 when my sister was the one got me to play league in 2012 and I literally remember their SKT Worlds run in 2013 front to back. I know I was there because I always wake up around 4 or 5 in the morning just to watch Worlds and study Faker's games. If not Worlds then his soloq games too. I went from literally Bronze 4 to Plat in that season. I quit playing league in 2020 but still watch the pro scene.
@@Invictus-Solaris League was already popular in 2013. Hell I bet you forgot that people like Bjergsen/Dyrus would average 30-50k viewers on twitch. Somehow you find it far fetched that the casual league fan did not witness Faker winning any of his 3 first titles lol.
@@JonRGP this is what happens when an agent prioritizes their own benefit more than the players. Such a greedy move. On the other hand, Doran has now to deal with the crazy T1 fans. He deserves respect, even though he is yet to prove himself on international competitions. I just wish that he will step up and do well in this T1 iteration.
@@dlldldldl agents shouldnt get a percentage cut from the signing and just flat rate for it. i dont care if zeus leaves cause its gonna be his own choice at the end of the day and having a rookie play his career on a single banner after accomplishing what others only dream of doing gets mixed reactions, he's completely free to explore other areas not just for the bag but for a new environment as well. if all the rumors turns out to be true then this gotta be the most manipulative contract ploy in league history, revolving around the 3 best top laners in the world to boot.
honestly, after thinking about it losing zeus is not all bad - he did int large stretches of the year and does overextend quite a bit, is a super volatile player...Doran is really solid and maybe we get to see Oner on more carries which is at least an interesting dynamic change-up for T1 - the league also has a number of mega strong teams now..as for zeus we will see if his playstyle is actually good everywhere or whether the top lane carry syndrome catches up with him and he ints more than he carries
1:47:35 The thing was Tyson WAS that guy back in the day in his prime. He was the biggest boxing star by a long shot up until himself. He earned 10s of millions in the late 80s. He was a celebrity in his own right. Going on talk shows in the daytime and explosively executing people at night. It was crazy
Legends has a bad worlds playoffs performance and it's suddenly relegated to Kingen level? Give me a break he was good on GenG and MSI MVP the tournament you guys regard as the best format and most precise on telling which team is the best
I hope Riot's apathy towards the League of Legends esport eventually hits a point that international show matches and community 3rd party tournaments(outside of Saudi Arabia) are viable and promoted. Starcraft content creators putting up money and sponsors to bring in big names could work for LoL if it was "allowed".
BeryL undoubtedly fixes DK's shotcalling problems? Where was his shotcalling on DRX23 and kt24? Those teams were awful. Where was his shotcalling on DWG19 and 2020 Spring, before Ghost joined? This guy is the biggest fraud of all time, lucky to have been carried by the goat mid-jungle duo + Zeka turning into Faker. It'll be really funny when DK doesn't go anywhere despite having a lowkey good roster (Siwoo the new Zeus, Lucid the new Canyon, ShowMaker and Aiming).
If this whole thing is the Titanic, I hope riot eventually just says fuck it and forms a 20 team centralized super league. I'd easily pay $20-$30 a month for that
Doran is fine but he keeps running into bin perma every international 😂 it’s just not happening. Kinda like 369 vs Zeus. 369 has no shot ever beating him
26:56 yep this is exactly right, I distinctly remember caster calls like TheShy's Vladimir 1 vs 3 where Histerics I believe yells "he's gonna kill them all" or Zoom's "IT'S JACK SPARROW OMG" TP moment
BeryL is the only player to win multiple World Championships without being a teammate of Faker. I don't think he's nearly the best support, but that's pretty impressive. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Beryl has a great resume. The real problem with Beryl is he has a lot of seasons where he is a bottom 4 support in LCK. Hard to rank a guy who is amazing when he is playing well but also simultaneously competing with Effort for worst support in the league when he's not.
ZEUS was lit stabbed by his agency , he was waiting for his new contract w/ T1 he seemed so sad on his last POST ZOFGK is T1 new brand and the organisation was getting a lot of sponsonrs based on this brand
Zven said inthe Sack Down that RapidStar is a cone in coaching and paycheck steal org.also where is Zinie who is the hottest prospect right now and most hyped player from challenger.
I hate some of the takes of both of you as T1 fan. but man I am happy for you that this trade happened just because of the potential shithousery that can occur LMAO. There goes Chovy's world title ??
GenG is still favourites. There roster improved assuming the support is above average at best. HLE couldn`t win with a favorable meta. Now imagine HLE where the meta isn`t suitable. Also, Doran had one of the lowest gold % for top laners in LCK (playoffs he was at 19.6%). Now HLE has to integrate Zeus with 2 already heavy resource players (Zeus was at 24.7% for gold among LCK top laners in playoff). Don`t think Zeus can be ``Zeus`` and pick things like Vayne with HLE champ pool issue as seen at worlds.
Zeus couldn't even carry the team on his shoulder when Faker was temporarily away last year and the other 3 was still playing, what makes he think he can do well entirely on his own? (Marin thought he could build his own legends 9 years ago, and look how it turned out for him) After being Faker's sand soldier for so long, I sincerely doubt he would have some independent thinking abilities, might as well continue the old job (the same applies to OGK).
@ Why would I be salty? I’m an LPL fan, and this huge nerf for T1 is obviously beneficial for my region. I just don’t know how Zeus has the audacity to think he can do well on his own.
@ As always, any major plays this T1 roster makes in games should be attributed to Faker’s shot calling. It’s always Faker seeing these hidden opportunities and either telling the other 4 to the pull the trigger or doing it himself. If any of them can actually do these plays without Faker sitting in that chair, T1 would never have been on the verge of dropping out of summer playoffs last year.
I’ve been watching this show from the start and generally enjoy the show. The negativity and resentment just keeps growing the hatred of the goat of the game is pure cringe.
Yes, plus considering the contrast what they make chovy to be like the top player for years, when he is going to events he doesnt show the same level, yet they mostly ignore chovy s failures
Ngl i stopped watching lol eSports, barely watched finals of worlds. I wouldn't pay for it for sure even when i was more interested. But would pay to watch this if there was no free way to watch. Absolutely love summoning insight. Thorin and Monte are interesting people and personalities something which modern esports lacks... In my opinion
yes casters are essential, but they arrnt doing themselves favors by trying be hype over nothing or cheeky with lines like medic and captain flowers. those two are the worst for me or goldnoob or what ever his name is. the korean english cast was good in the lck finals i liked that alot. but lcs and lec ugh notdoable for me with those bad casters trying to be cool with ''cool ''sounding lines that mean nothing. thats why i started listning to dom but he is a lil negativ i like his lpl casts more where he actually tries to explain what happens. instead of those lcs and lec ones.
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30:31 Caedral, having been born in '96, was 17 years when faker won his first world title, not 13 years old
yeah, i was so confused by this math as well lmao
his argument is also invalid because i was born in 1999 and i was there to witness Faker's debut. I was 13 when my sister was the one got me to play league in 2012 and I literally remember their SKT Worlds run in 2013 front to back. I know I was there because I always wake up around 4 or 5 in the morning just to watch Worlds and study Faker's games. If not Worlds then his soloq games too. I went from literally Bronze 4 to Plat in that season. I quit playing league in 2020 but still watch the pro scene.
@@jemeryramos COOL! And just how many do you really think have done and continue to do all of that? 🤔
@@Invictus-Solarisjust have to say me too
@@Invictus-Solaris League was already popular in 2013. Hell I bet you forgot that people like Bjergsen/Dyrus would average 30-50k viewers on twitch. Somehow you find it far fetched that the casual league fan did not witness Faker winning any of his 3 first titles lol.
3:49 this aged perfectly with Doran to T1
Thorin is the smartest dumb person in the world.
I haven't seen people say that they dont care about the LPL english broadcast. All I see is negative responses to it towards Riot
There are plenty on X and Reddit. I had one argument with a nephew who was saying LPL english broadcast talent is bad just the other day.
Both can be true. You can not care about the lpl English broadcast and still think it's dumb to not have one for the people that do.
Even if they say that they care they still don't watch the product
You probably focused on Reddit. Anywhere else the sentiment was the cast was dog shit or did not care at all to watch LPL.
Such a tough spot for Doran. He got in the middle of this drama between T1 and Zeus’ agent.
I feel more bad for kiin cause they made him sign early to boost zeus
@@JonRGP this is what happens when an agent prioritizes their own benefit more than the players. Such a greedy move.
On the other hand, Doran has now to deal with the crazy T1 fans. He deserves respect, even though he is yet to prove himself on international competitions. I just wish that he will step up and do well in this T1 iteration.
@@dlldldldl agents shouldnt get a percentage cut from the signing and just flat rate for it. i dont care if zeus leaves cause its gonna be his own choice at the end of the day and having a rookie play his career on a single banner after accomplishing what others only dream of doing gets mixed reactions, he's completely free to explore other areas not just for the bag but for a new environment as well. if all the rumors turns out to be true then this gotta be the most manipulative contract ploy in league history, revolving around the 3 best top laners in the world to boot.
On the upside Doran has a great opportunity hope he and T1 do well
Lck going to be great
honestly, after thinking about it losing zeus is not all bad - he did int large stretches of the year and does overextend quite a bit, is a super volatile player...Doran is really solid and maybe we get to see Oner on more carries which is at least an interesting dynamic change-up for T1 - the league also has a number of mega strong teams now..as for zeus we will see if his playstyle is actually good everywhere or whether the top lane carry syndrome catches up with him and he ints more than he carries
Thanks for officially pointing out the audio issues. I had a minute where I thought it was my headset.
30:31 Monte can't do maths confirmed
1:47:35 The thing was Tyson WAS that guy back in the day in his prime. He was the biggest boxing star by a long shot up until himself. He earned 10s of millions in the late 80s. He was a celebrity in his own right. Going on talk shows in the daytime and explosively executing people at night. It was crazy
30:30 Caedrel is 2 months older than Faker lol
Legends has a bad worlds playoffs performance and it's suddenly relegated to Kingen level? Give me a break he was good on GenG and MSI MVP the tournament you guys regard as the best format and most precise on telling which team is the best
If lehends get bigger salary from somewhere else cus geng does pay cut rosters then i'm happy for him.
I hope Riot's apathy towards the League of Legends esport eventually hits a point that international show matches and community 3rd party tournaments(outside of Saudi Arabia) are viable and promoted. Starcraft content creators putting up money and sponsors to bring in big names could work for LoL if it was "allowed".
Thankyou for adressing the usual absolute garbage takes from reddit community, this time regarding LPL.
BeryL undoubtedly fixes DK's shotcalling problems? Where was his shotcalling on DRX23 and kt24? Those teams were awful. Where was his shotcalling on DWG19 and 2020 Spring, before Ghost joined? This guy is the biggest fraud of all time, lucky to have been carried by the goat mid-jungle duo + Zeka turning into Faker. It'll be really funny when DK doesn't go anywhere despite having a lowkey good roster (Siwoo the new Zeus, Lucid the new Canyon, ShowMaker and Aiming).
DK is going places, trust
dude, he got genshin impact skills, yo. league is a sidegig for him.
He's the only support who outperformed peak Keria at Worlds btw.
@@tudoan3654 peak keria was 2024, not 2022
If this whole thing is the Titanic, I hope riot eventually just says fuck it and forms a 20 team centralized super league. I'd easily pay $20-$30 a month for that
Wasn’t Doran already washed like 3 years ago lol
Doran is fine but he keeps running into bin perma every international 😂 it’s just not happening.
Kinda like 369 vs Zeus. 369 has no shot ever beating him
26:56 yep this is exactly right, I distinctly remember caster calls like TheShy's Vladimir 1 vs 3 where Histerics I believe yells "he's gonna kill them all" or Zoom's "IT'S JACK SPARROW OMG" TP moment
AND HES GONE
The moment Monte said "I don't think they are the bottom team" about BRO, I started to cry. Also LORD MORGAN GIGACHAD!
I never thought I would get an lcs compared to ww1 breakdown, but man I’m here for it😂 love viewer questions
BeryL is the only player to win multiple World Championships without being a teammate of Faker. I don't think he's nearly the best support, but that's pretty impressive. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Beryl has a great resume. The real problem with Beryl is he has a lot of seasons where he is a bottom 4 support in LCK. Hard to rank a guy who is amazing when he is playing well but also simultaneously competing with Effort for worst support in the league when he's not.
Peyz isn't even signed yet
ZEUS was lit stabbed by his agency , he was waiting for his new contract w/ T1
he seemed so sad on his last POST
ZOFGK is T1 new brand and the organisation was getting a lot of sponsonrs based on this brand
He signed the contract with hle it's not like he was completely oblivious
Ayeee mentioned my boiiii PastryTime! Loved him!
100T isnt even excited about 100T XD
Caedral and Faker are the same age
They already predicted it perfectly lol
08:00 I don't think dom would pay for the league. But I hope he can co-stream at least with some of the english casters i guess... 🙏
Zven said inthe Sack Down that RapidStar is a cone in coaching and paycheck steal org.also where is Zinie who is the hottest prospect right now and most hyped player from challenger.
I just wish I could understand what thorin is saying better
Lmao, non native here, took me a while, watching his solo work helped me
I hate some of the takes of both of you as T1 fan. but man I am happy for you that this trade happened just because of the potential shithousery that can occur LMAO. There goes Chovy's world title ??
GenG is still favourites. There roster improved assuming the support is above average at best. HLE couldn`t win with a favorable meta. Now imagine HLE where the meta isn`t suitable. Also, Doran had one of the lowest gold % for top laners in LCK (playoffs he was at 19.6%). Now HLE has to integrate Zeus with 2 already heavy resource players (Zeus was at 24.7% for gold among LCK top laners in playoff). Don`t think Zeus can be ``Zeus`` and pick things like Vayne with HLE champ pool issue as seen at worlds.
@Gurpreet-sv5zg We'll see. I am just taking Dom, Thorin and Monte's opinion that this is the most stacked team in LCK this year, maybe even ever.
I don’t think ad is stacked
Teddy and Jiwoo is not a good player
just overrated because their team is so bad
Jiwoo is too weak in lane and unstable
17:27 so now.. HALF... HALF... HALF of.... HALF of...
doran lmao
🔥🔥🔥
part of me is hoping faker wins worlds with doran just so i can see what kinda cope these 2 and Dom can come up with about faker and T1 lmao
Zeus couldn't even carry the team on his shoulder when Faker was temporarily away last year and the other 3 was still playing, what makes he think he can do well entirely on his own? (Marin thought he could build his own legends 9 years ago, and look how it turned out for him) After being Faker's sand soldier for so long, I sincerely doubt he would have some independent thinking abilities, might as well continue the old job (the same applies to OGK).
I'm sure he will be fine. Stop acting like a salty ex
@ Why would I be salty? I’m an LPL fan, and this huge nerf for T1 is obviously beneficial for my region. I just don’t know how Zeus has the audacity to think he can do well on his own.
they qualified for worlds because of his yone game 5 wdym?
@ As always, any major plays this T1 roster makes in games should be attributed to Faker’s shot calling. It’s always Faker seeing these hidden opportunities and either telling the other 4 to the pull the trigger or doing it himself. If any of them can actually do these plays without Faker sitting in that chair, T1 would never have been on the verge of dropping out of summer playoffs last year.
@@laisensei6984 That last sentence...
30:30 monte cant do math lmao
There was some good comedy here
I’ve been watching this show from the start and generally enjoy the show. The negativity and resentment just keeps growing the hatred of the goat of the game is pure cringe.
Yes, plus considering the contrast what they make chovy to be like the top player for years, when he is going to events he doesnt show the same level, yet they mostly ignore chovy s failures
The more vocal and cringe the T1 fans become, the more they get a bit unbearable, do nowadays I just skip the T1 segments
some segments just make me shiver tbh
I genuinely don't understand how when you watch this, what you get from it, is how much they hate faker...
Just mind boggling.🤯
great takes 👍
Peyz wont be in lck in 2025
They even signed deokdam instead
😂🤣😂🤣
That is very ironic and well deserved
No peyz rejected KT and chose JDG
@@Dajoeman8 can't wait for that project to fair
Ngl i stopped watching lol eSports, barely watched finals of worlds. I wouldn't pay for it for sure even when i was more interested. But would pay to watch this if there was no free way to watch. Absolutely love summoning insight. Thorin and Monte are interesting people and personalities something which modern esports lacks... In my opinion
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yes casters are essential, but they arrnt doing themselves favors by trying be hype over nothing or cheeky with lines like medic and captain flowers.
those two are the worst for me or goldnoob or what ever his name is.
the korean english cast was good in the lck finals i liked that alot.
but lcs and lec ugh notdoable for me with those bad casters trying to be cool with ''cool ''sounding lines that mean nothing.
thats why i started listning to dom but he is a lil negativ i like his lpl casts more where he actually tries to explain what happens.
instead of those lcs and lec ones.
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With everything you can do inside ai, they can't just find ai commentators to comment on China:p
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