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The thing Thorin talks about in 26:20 is so true. I remember fondly how fun it was to manage w3 team, to come up with your own ideas for logo, making sure all players will show up for WCG quali in 2004, traveling across country to check up on best ones. Life took me other direction but every time I regret league taking over w3 and sc2, I console myself that at least I am not in pseudo-corpo cult yes-manning superiors, bound with NDAs like some kind of grotesque saurons ring pastiche.
I love that in the viewer questions, Thorin still finds a tie in to LFN culture/Four Play. I really appreciate the long episode at the detriment to Monte's sleep schedule, even if the people who do sub didn't get all their questions answered today.
Microsoft hosts their biggest datacenters in 2 locations in Europe - the Netherlands and Ireland. The story of bad internet there is something so old that it is unreal.
DK don't need to get PerfecT, they have Siwoo on DK Challengers who's the actual "New Zeus" instead of Thanatos. As for kt, yeah their academy team is really good not only as a team but individually. Zinie needs to improve his laning especially in this adc meta but after lane he's a monster carry, 2005 talent who won LCK AS, then turned a 1-3 kt Challengers team into the undisputed champions while being regular season MVP. The bot lane is very good as well, especially in Spring they were 2v2 killing people every game. The support Way is top 3 in soloq rn too. HamBak is very good at carries like Lee, Nidalee and Brand. They should definitely promote this roster while keeping PerfecT for next year.
I mean, having a good CL performance almost never translates into being a good LCK pro. Players are promising yeah, but there is no guarantee at all and teams that want to be at the top of the table are better off signing proven players
I will say from my experience sabbatical in a job setting is a lot of times a month off or two months that is earned through years of service. Riot still uses it incorrectly though lol
My company doesn't put a time limit on it or base it on years of experience, but the idea of someone high up taking a sabbatical after a year without their role being well covered, or without some serious illness in their family or something, is pretty weird. The head of a division that is struggling taking a sabbatical after one year of work is insane
all of riot's heards of esports/commisioners are the most anonymous positions with the most anonymous people who collect checks for....im not sure really.
Feel like Montes going a bit too far on the C9 bad angle even on power spike they kinda laughed at them being in fraud alert. Also comparing quad to thanotos when quad has been in NA all year.
I literally don’t get it. No one in good faith believes c9 is better than flyquest or tl and pretty everyone agrees their performance has been under underwhelming but not disastrously bad. They just aight what a weird hill to die on
The saddest part about Riot esports is that Lol was propably the biggest chance ever for esports to really become a mainstay in the mainstream sports reporting etc. Think about 2014 worlds finals etc and how big they've gotten back then. Riot was pissing away money on those big road shows but never managed to build a sustained investment in the sport so that it becomes profitable and now they turn around and cry about esports not making any money (allegedly).
love the Lily Zhang shoutout! unfortunately American table tennis very far below the level of the Asian countries and even a good chunk of Europe. But as an American and table tennis fan it was cool to hear Lily mentioned
*they talk about how it turns out well rounded strong players are better than crazy mechanical but inflexible player I have been saying this for years and I do t get how it's not just the most accepted paradigme
I've always found Monte defending the LEC format a little bit silly because it is a super week every week and I know he hates super weeks. Most of the time he defends other aspects of it, like the triple split concept, but I think the consequences of three games a week and a short split has been horrendous for the region and the product. The teams also have more oppurtunies to fall pray to knee jerk GM decisions that hampers team over a season.
The format is literally the thing that killed my love for the league. IDK how monte can defend it. It kills any excitement for matches, it kills team, because they cant practise properly. what the hell
i think g2 needs to shake up the roster aswell, new guys that have the urge to win. what about irrelevant instead of bb altho bb issnt a problem and maybe a fresh good adc that wants to win aswell or a more normal suport.
1:11:11 I actually really appreciated Monte shitting on the LEC teams and finals by summing up the evolution of man, the struggles endured of past generations in the rise of civilisation, all for this dogshit quality gameplay by lazy pros and teams taking their opportunities for granted. Fucking fire!
2:25:08 During Riot's annual company vacation the executives go to Louisiana and make these stick figures called devils nest, why? No reason, don't think about.
I dont know what kind of fucked up sabbatical you do in the US, but a sabbatical is usually a 1 year stop from your current job that you use for ANY activity of your chosing. The point of a sabbatical is to not work your current or related job, while having the protection of having your job back once the period is done. Although, you usually do not get paid for a sabbatical, unless your activity is another job, which is weird from riot. Its used mostly by students before college, and especially for cases of either volutary work or world travel.
Sabbaticals are not common outside of academia and are usually used there to relieve the professor of teaching duties so they can focus on research or do other things that they actually care about. Most professors are researchers who teach to get access to university resources.
this matchup was so freaking bad its absurd. some people should reflect on themselves and think what the hell am i doing. mikyx humanoid oscarinn. they are truelly disgusting.
And how u expect G2 to improve when even fnc can't take game off the weakest form of G2 in finals with those gold leads it's insane how shit and rest of the teams are i thought fnc might at least win that finals after upper bracket win but no their macro and team fighting are shit af
Applying for a job at Riot is literally you have to pass all this corporate bullisht everybody hates... but then you get to fart into women's faces Brilliant
3:20:10 i think why S5 SKT is so beloved/overrated is combo of nostalgia for those who were around back then, the highs of fun champs that were meta in that year and generally the highs of the finals they played (all the KOO ones, MSI going to 5 etc). And people from later on just seeing the dominant stats they had and not checking for any context (and hence i.e. overrating the fuck outta Marin cos narrative that he carried faker those worlds stuck and the first thing you see when you look into Marin - him getting worlds MVP, or where he places in toplane goat list). Also it is more realistic to come in in 2015 at the peak of LCS viewership than in 2013 or even 14 to remember sth like rookie faker or teams from even before like M5. Plus first MSI was extra memorable as it was first ever. After a decade its much easier to remember the highs of Faker smashing Nagne's head in with Riven mid (and other melee mids he pulled out that year) or Marin popping off on Rumble and FIora at worlds than all the Maokai games Marin played (which there were a lot of), Faker not being able to play Azir basically at all at first (hence Easyhoon playing a lot in spring). Or as you say how weak KR mid pool was that year and that KOO came out of nowhere, were not expected to be good (and didn't even have peanut yet that year, it was still Hojin). top3 ended up being okish enough but KR was pretty damn shallow that year, 4th best team was what either Jin AIr (Trace, Chaser, GBM, Pilot, Chei) or aforementioned CJ (with OG Shy, Ambition, Coco, Space and Madlife) like those were not really great teams. Finally, going 15-1 when you have played a group of a goddamn Thai team (one of the worst teams to ever have made groups probably), a pretty weak H2K (Odo, Lourex, Ryu, Hjarnan, Kasing) and EDG that was nowhere close to their MSI level (that FNC later 3-0d in quarters) into AHQ in quarters and Origen in semis. like bro what is that bracket, those are not teams SKT should lose to, maybe EDG could 1-1 them in groups but that EDG was pretty weak at this point. literally only games they realistically were capable of dropping in that tournament were in finals and they did drop one to KOO. the format just sucked so they played like one legit team. plus Worlds 2015 was hella scuffed because of juggernauts patch.
This really couldn’t have been said better. Shame the retards will try to denounce this point but there really is no counter to anything said here. Also add to the fact that all the LCK talent left after 2014 in addition to the buffoonery that was LCK playoffs format and you can also take points away from their domestic success that year as well.
Wait how is Monte gonna say 2015 Skt can't be the greatest and one of his arguments is that they didn't win MSI but yet hates that same argument being used for JDG and worlds...
The MSI format from now and 2015 were completely different. 2015 SKT also existed in a time where almost all of the KR talent left the LCK to chase money around the world, so their domestic competition was relatively lighter than other splits. LCK playofffs were also a COMPLETE joke back then. Meanwhile, JDG were fighting insane teams while still not dropping a single bo5 in a double elimination playoffs bracket.
@@MrDespisedIcon it’s impossible to even argue semantics with people who don’t know what context is. How is it impressive to be game 5 in an MSI finals when the format is complete garbage and there is less competition ? And then JDG lost in semis to the eventual worlds winners, the first series they lost all year too. Also, T1 had a mental block vs GENG all year in 2023, does that make GENG a better team than T1? God you people are so retarded it hurts to even read your comments.
@@MrDespisedIcon JDG went to 5 games vs LNG in summer twice. also you coud say it was easy but BLG beat convincingly GenG and SKT which shows the domestic competition wasnt a walk in the park, but JDG where really that much better. Another argument for JDG is that in 2015 the only real competition for Korea was other korean teams ( afcorse it was EDG that end up wining MSI but it was a one off and if Faker had played all the games SKT probably win anyway ( they had to handicap themselves in order to be beaten)), in 2023 you have alot of chinese and korean teams you need to beat. Afcorse just saing its because MSI is very shallow and incomplete, but thouse above are some of the arguments you can use in favour of JDG. P.S. on the idea that GenG is better than JDG i coud and will use your argument. GenG only face SKT in finals and that team has a complete mental block vs GenG outside of that GenG dont really have good competition domestically. They did look dominant at MSI but so did JDG, so the true deciding factor will be if GenG win summer what will they do at worlds.
I really don't get why Monty finds it unfathomable for BDS to beat a good Asian team. Well, he's not gonna have a hard time imagining my tweet @ him in a few months when Adam is hoisting the World Cup with a prestige skin on the way.
Monte coping so hard about KT. At this point I just hope they win worlds so we can see him cry for another year straight which is what he did when DRX won
Thorin makes fun of LeBronze James fans but jerks to TSM "AFK Mid" LeChoke'vy James. Both needs super teams but at least LeBronze allows his Batman to carry him.
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This episode exposed Riot worse than any past episode. Really told it how it is. Riot has to change to survive at this point.
another $500 ahri bundle will do, maybe pool party next time
@@healthyasmr9246 $500 Syndra skin for Bjerg's hall of fame skin incoming. Or a $500 doublelift hall of fame skin
LFN Culture is amazing. Four Play is genius and hilarious. Highly recommended.
The thing Thorin talks about in 26:20 is so true. I remember fondly how fun it was to manage w3 team, to come up with your own ideas for logo, making sure all players will show up for WCG quali in 2004, traveling across country to check up on best ones.
Life took me other direction but every time I regret league taking over w3 and sc2, I console myself that at least I am not in pseudo-corpo cult yes-manning superiors, bound with NDAs like some kind of grotesque saurons ring pastiche.
I love that in the viewer questions, Thorin still finds a tie in to LFN culture/Four Play. I really appreciate the long episode at the detriment to Monte's sleep schedule, even if the people who do sub didn't get all their questions answered today.
Tragic how little cover the LPL gets. Especially with the new format
Agreed, LPL has been soooooo good this split.
Microsoft hosts their biggest datacenters in 2 locations in Europe - the Netherlands and Ireland. The story of bad internet there is something so old that it is unreal.
I swear they came up with that themselves and spread it around so no one would put competition there lol
Or it's just for Ireland so they can have it fuction😉
DK don't need to get PerfecT, they have Siwoo on DK Challengers who's the actual "New Zeus" instead of Thanatos. As for kt, yeah their academy team is really good not only as a team but individually. Zinie needs to improve his laning especially in this adc meta but after lane he's a monster carry, 2005 talent who won LCK AS, then turned a 1-3 kt Challengers team into the undisputed champions while being regular season MVP. The bot lane is very good as well, especially in Spring they were 2v2 killing people every game. The support Way is top 3 in soloq rn too. HamBak is very good at carries like Lee, Nidalee and Brand. They should definitely promote this roster while keeping PerfecT for next year.
I mean, having a good CL performance almost never translates into being a good LCK pro. Players are promising yeah, but there is no guarantee at all and teams that want to be at the top of the table are better off signing proven players
I will say from my experience sabbatical in a job setting is a lot of times a month off or two months that is earned through years of service. Riot still uses it incorrectly though lol
yeah at my job every 3.5 years you earn 6 weeks of sabbatical. I'm not expected to work when I take that time.
My company doesn't put a time limit on it or base it on years of experience, but the idea of someone high up taking a sabbatical after a year without their role being well covered, or without some serious illness in their family or something, is pretty weird.
The head of a division that is struggling taking a sabbatical after one year of work is insane
in big tech its typically just an unpaid leave of absence, usually not more than 3 months
Sitting at the eye doctor waiting for new glasses. This show makes the time pass quickly.🎉
all of riot's heards of esports/commisioners are the most anonymous positions with the most anonymous people who collect checks for....im not sure really.
Appreciate you guys. Never change.
Woot another episode!
Feel like Montes going a bit too far on the C9 bad angle even on power spike they kinda laughed at them being in fraud alert. Also comparing quad to thanotos when quad has been in NA all year.
I literally don’t get it. No one in good faith believes c9 is better than flyquest or tl and pretty everyone agrees their performance has been under underwhelming but not disastrously bad. They just aight what a weird hill to die on
The saddest part about Riot esports is that Lol was propably the biggest chance ever for esports to really become a mainstay in the mainstream sports reporting etc. Think about 2014 worlds finals etc and how big they've gotten back then. Riot was pissing away money on those big road shows but never managed to build a sustained investment in the sport so that it becomes profitable and now they turn around and cry about esports not making any money (allegedly).
Thorin spitting facts @ 2:22:49
love the Lily Zhang shoutout! unfortunately American table tennis very far below the level of the Asian countries and even a good chunk of Europe. But as an American and table tennis fan it was cool to hear Lily mentioned
riot should be proud of zyra rn
This hits harder for the LCK an after the T1 and KT win.
I like how Thorin even predicted the results that happened.
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Great work gents
LoL fans don't even want to pay for their esport, forget about Louis Vuitton
*they talk about how it turns out well rounded strong players are better than crazy mechanical but inflexible player
I have been saying this for years and I do t get how it's not just the most accepted paradigme
Big time fan. I will be buying skme raycon ear buds since i needed some new ones anyways.
Even in money allocation, KT is a rollercoaster
I've always found Monte defending the LEC format a little bit silly because it is a super week every week and I know he hates super weeks. Most of the time he defends other aspects of it, like the triple split concept, but I think the consequences of three games a week and a short split has been horrendous for the region and the product.
The teams also have more oppurtunies to fall pray to knee jerk GM decisions that hampers team over a season.
The format is literally the thing that killed my love for the league. IDK how monte can defend it. It kills any excitement for matches, it kills team, because they cant practise properly. what the hell
Riot will never die. Physically impossible.
When does Gilius join Last Free Nation??
i think g2 needs to shake up the roster aswell, new guys that have the urge to win.
what about irrelevant instead of bb altho bb issnt a problem and maybe a fresh good adc that wants to win aswell or a more normal suport.
1:11:11 I actually really appreciated Monte shitting on the LEC teams and finals by summing up the evolution of man, the struggles endured of past generations in the rise of civilisation, all for this dogshit quality gameplay by lazy pros and teams taking their opportunities for granted. Fucking fire!
2:25:08 During Riot's annual company vacation the executives go to Louisiana and make these stick figures called devils nest, why? No reason, don't think about.
PLZ COME BACK TO powerspike Monty
I second this
I third this
i kinda fourth this, i think him and yamato should alternate every episode👀
yamato doesnt rly have the podcast skills of monte, powerspike def feels more stagnant now
Yamato clears sadly, do you really want to hear more of Monte incorrectly assessing build paths and drafts?
I dont know what kind of fucked up sabbatical you do in the US, but a sabbatical is usually a 1 year stop from your current job that you use for ANY activity of your chosing.
The point of a sabbatical is to not work your current or related job, while having the protection of having your job back once the period is done.
Although, you usually do not get paid for a sabbatical, unless your activity is another job, which is weird from riot.
Its used mostly by students before college, and especially for cases of either volutary work or world travel.
Sabbaticals are not common outside of academia and are usually used there to relieve the professor of teaching duties so they can focus on research or do other things that they actually care about. Most professors are researchers who teach to get access to university resources.
this matchup was so freaking bad its absurd.
some people should reflect on themselves and think what the hell am i doing.
mikyx humanoid oscarinn.
they are truelly disgusting.
I have no idea why Monte so adamant on c9 being frauds not a soul in the worlds is acting like they are the best NA team
And how u expect G2 to improve when even fnc can't take game off the weakest form of G2 in finals with those gold leads it's insane how shit and rest of the teams are i thought fnc might at least win that finals after upper bracket win but no their macro and team fighting are shit af
Top lane mental = NFL WR mental
Applying for a job at Riot is literally you have to pass all this corporate bullisht everybody hates... but then you get to fart into women's faces
Brilliant
Holy shit Thorin put on the pounds.
Here to ride for QTCinderella. Shes been in the league eco since 2011 as a player and fan. She loves the game and players.
You are a pathetic nerd
28:29 lol wtf
3:20:10 i think why S5 SKT is so beloved/overrated is combo of nostalgia for those who were around back then, the highs of fun champs that were meta in that year and generally the highs of the finals they played (all the KOO ones, MSI going to 5 etc). And people from later on just seeing the dominant stats they had and not checking for any context (and hence i.e. overrating the fuck outta Marin cos narrative that he carried faker those worlds stuck and the first thing you see when you look into Marin - him getting worlds MVP, or where he places in toplane goat list). Also it is more realistic to come in in 2015 at the peak of LCS viewership than in 2013 or even 14 to remember sth like rookie faker or teams from even before like M5. Plus first MSI was extra memorable as it was first ever.
After a decade its much easier to remember the highs of Faker smashing Nagne's head in with Riven mid (and other melee mids he pulled out that year) or Marin popping off on Rumble and FIora at worlds than all the Maokai games Marin played (which there were a lot of), Faker not being able to play Azir basically at all at first (hence Easyhoon playing a lot in spring). Or as you say how weak KR mid pool was that year and that KOO came out of nowhere, were not expected to be good (and didn't even have peanut yet that year, it was still Hojin). top3 ended up being okish enough but KR was pretty damn shallow that year, 4th best team was what either Jin AIr (Trace, Chaser, GBM, Pilot, Chei) or aforementioned CJ (with OG Shy, Ambition, Coco, Space and Madlife) like those were not really great teams.
Finally, going 15-1 when you have played a group of a goddamn Thai team (one of the worst teams to ever have made groups probably), a pretty weak H2K (Odo, Lourex, Ryu, Hjarnan, Kasing) and EDG that was nowhere close to their MSI level (that FNC later 3-0d in quarters) into AHQ in quarters and Origen in semis. like bro what is that bracket, those are not teams SKT should lose to, maybe EDG could 1-1 them in groups but that EDG was pretty weak at this point. literally only games they realistically were capable of dropping in that tournament were in finals and they did drop one to KOO. the format just sucked so they played like one legit team. plus Worlds 2015 was hella scuffed because of juggernauts patch.
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This really couldn’t have been said better. Shame the retards will try to denounce this point but there really is no counter to anything said here. Also add to the fact that all the LCK talent left after 2014 in addition to the buffoonery that was LCK playoffs format and you can also take points away from their domestic success that year as well.
Well said man. More people need to use their heads.
go science!
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well, the moment yamato takes over for monte here, i will not watch this anymore ....
Is that the plan?? What??
Yamato is great on The Sackdown, and Powerspike. But he's never coming to host Summoning Insight, that was just a joke
For the algorithm
Wait how is Monte gonna say 2015 Skt can't be the greatest and one of his arguments is that they didn't win MSI but yet hates that same argument being used for JDG and worlds...
The MSI format from now and 2015 were completely different. 2015 SKT also existed in a time where almost all of the KR talent left the LCK to chase money around the world, so their domestic competition was relatively lighter than other splits. LCK playofffs were also a COMPLETE joke back then. Meanwhile, JDG were fighting insane teams while still not dropping a single bo5 in a double elimination playoffs bracket.
@@MrDespisedIcon it’s impossible to even argue semantics with people who don’t know what context is. How is it impressive to be game 5 in an MSI finals when the format is complete garbage and there is less competition ? And then JDG lost in semis to the eventual worlds winners, the first series they lost all year too. Also, T1 had a mental block vs GENG all year in 2023, does that make GENG a better team than T1? God you people are so retarded it hurts to even read your comments.
@@MrDespisedIcon JDG went to 5 games vs LNG in summer twice. also you coud say it was easy but BLG beat convincingly GenG and SKT which shows the domestic competition wasnt a walk in the park, but JDG where really that much better.
Another argument for JDG is that in 2015 the only real competition for Korea was other korean teams ( afcorse it was EDG that end up wining MSI but it was a one off and if Faker had played all the games SKT probably win anyway ( they had to handicap themselves in order to be beaten)), in 2023 you have alot of chinese and korean teams you need to beat.
Afcorse just saing its because MSI is very shallow and incomplete, but thouse above are some of the arguments you can use in favour of JDG.
P.S. on the idea that GenG is better than JDG i coud and will use your argument. GenG only face SKT in finals and that team has a complete mental block vs GenG outside of that GenG dont really have good competition domestically. They did look dominant at MSI but so did JDG, so the true deciding factor will be if GenG win summer what will they do at worlds.
Bro really tried to drop ‘if you love your family and you have kids then you’re a right wing extremist’ lmao. Classic the right can’t meme moment
I really don't get why Monty finds it unfathomable for BDS to beat a good Asian team. Well, he's not gonna have a hard time imagining my tweet @ him in a few months when Adam is hoisting the World Cup with a prestige skin on the way.
Decent bait
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C9 is just NA FNC, all hands no brain.
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Monte coping so hard about KT.
At this point I just hope they win worlds so we can see him cry for another year straight which is what he did when DRX won
Even the lck has way worse western viewership now
Nah they are split in youtube now and other co-streams. Viewership is up still without playoffs.
@Gurpreet-sv5zg no it doesn't look like it
@@jeff230394 Based on?
I can understand why Thorin is so salty after Dom has stopped coming in his show while having new ones with Yamato.
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Wat
They’re coping so hard about Viper. He’s so overrated. Literally got gapped by Aiming last week
Ok bro? Lets just act like he isnt the GOAT adc.
Aiming is a very good ADC
Holy at first I was like wow this is a very critical comment and then I went "oh never mindit's just my boy thelight"
The delusion is outrageous. Viper clutchef it at the end. And acting like aiming doesn't throw 40% of his leads
Now viper got gapped by deft. One trick pony on ez.
Tom Brady = Championships = Faker.... Peyton Manning = Regular Season Stats =.... Nah, TSM "AFK Mid" LeChoke'vy James isnt even Manning level.
Thorin makes fun of LeBronze James fans but jerks to TSM "AFK Mid" LeChoke'vy James. Both needs super teams but at least LeBronze allows his Batman to carry him.
What the fuck are you trying to say? Complete sentences please.
@@StillKeepOnLosing tfw nobody takes your boring bait so you have to reply to yourself. youre not thelight lil bro just move on
@@saintsava8819 I'm replying to you... Lmfao. You are so Silly