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EGR Quick Fix - Keep that Engine light OUT
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Some preventative maintenance and a possible easy fix for your Heavy Duty diesel Engine. In this video I speak about a Detroit DD15 (DD13, DD16) engine but it really applies to most Heavy Diesel engine makes and models (Cummins, Volvo, etc). Keeping the EGR differential pressure ports and tubes clean and clear can help prevent problems like engine lights, "derates" and loss of power. Most importantly - Downtime. Keeping your EGR system working properly can also prolong the life of your DPF and aftertreatment system.
It's cheap, easy and something you can do in your driveway.
SPN 411 FMI 2
SPN 3058 FMI 10
SPN 2659 FMI 0
I got the 2659 code. My DD15 started to derate. The Freightliner dealer couldn't get me into the shop until the next day. I found your video. I did this, it worked. You really saved my ass. Thank you very much.
This is really straightforward to understand. Thank you for being able to articulate this problem in such an easy way.
i work on these dd series engines alot. i found that cutting torch tip cleaners work very well to get the caked on soot inside the vintury ports out. start with the smaller tip cleaners and work your way up.
I was on the road and mine plugged up on one side..zip tie didnt work but I used a thin cable and a drill ...the cable was from seal used on the doors of refrigerator Van's or box Van's...its flexible and strong enough to break through. Awesome video thanks
I followed your video setup by stereo, and it's fixed. I asked the mechanic to take this apart, clean it, replace the sensor and the gaskets. He said, I've never heard about this, I can't do it. For $104 I got the original kit from the store in cambridge, ON. Took me one hour to do it. I got 3 fault code, now fixed. This thing will cause 25% power loss and 10% fuel consumption increase. Thanks for your video.
Paperclip has always worked for me for the passage that is angled towards the intake side. Primarily, because its slightly curved and you can bend the paperclip to follow its radius.
Emissions on a semi is a true scam and is unsafe for drivers we should sue the government for it. It costs us a lot of money in repairs and make us sit on the side of the road due to derate and other dpf def issues
So true
But some of us like breathing clean air
Big Tim's Trucking LLC
I was hopping Mr. Trump was going to flat out call it for what it is and put a stop to it for once and all.
Nothing worst than been at a truck stop and having a none clean air truck beside you, with all that exhaust smell that you can’t even sleep.. but just move or go on your mighty way...
Emissions IS a scam…..it’s all coming out the back weather you realize it or not. They call “Regen”. 😂😂😂 What a joke!!!
I consider this basic maintenance, along with cleaning the 7th. Injector port (on dd13, dd15). I clean them with a brass wire brush from a gun cleaning kit. It's also very important to maintain your air dryer or moisture in the air lines will cause your pressure limiting valve to fail.
I tried the plastic zip ties with a drill and it worked for me. Just insert the plastic zip ties far into the ports and use the drill at low speed. The zip tries will curl basically into a plastic drill bit. 2013 dd15 engine.
Johnathan Murrah Thanks, that's some good info!
I cleaned it once and I don't think I watch your video but if it works then I like and subscribe. It has most of those codes so....
Speedometer cable with frayed end works good, attached to cordless drill
The best two carbon cleaners I've found are berryman chem dip and easy off oven cleaner.
Dropping gems thank you
Easy off? Srsly? lol awesome.
Yep. Yellow can. It removes about 95% of the carbon. The blue can is order free and doesn't work as well.
@@russ22f thanks trying today
@@manicangel7796 yes easy off like its name it does it to the hardest burned on carbon.
This is super useful information and you make very simple and useful my truck is doing this exact thing and couldn’t figure out why thank you
Just buy a 2012 dd15 Freightliner and I think this video will be helpful in the future thanks 4 the video.
Will the chunks that come from the clogged port damage the motor or other components?
I’m having Issue with that code
SPN 3058 FMI 10, I just replaced the VPod and the Delta P Sensor would it need to be recalibrated?
Hey good video and good audio. great job. you remind me of my tech school instructors.
Thanks a lot John!
Have you had any experience with LS tractors and issues with egr valves.?
Quick question wondering what y'all might be able to help me with as far as a answer, if a check engine light is turned off from a shady dealership and it turns out to be that the check engine light was for the transmission. My question is does the check engine light always come back on if the codes are cleared out of the computer in the vehicle? Just curious if anyone here knows the correct answer, from what I have researched the check engine light should come back on say within a hundred miles of driving or sooner even, but this situation the check engine light never came back on the dealership I took it to for a proper diagnostics was able to pull up the codes that had been previously deleted. Thanks in advance
If codes are cleared out then that means they were INACTIVE codes or HISTORY codes. These will not come back or put an Engine Light ON. But if ACTIVE CODES are deleted by a computer laptop or a handheld computer the ACTIVE CODE will NOT DELETE. All active codes stay as ACTIVE until the problem or issue is fixed. The Engine Light will come back on immediately if the active code is not properly fixed.
My truck been deleted. DPFs were removed but EGR wasn't blocked off like some guys have done.
I received those egr codes recently.
Spn 3058 and spn 2659
DD15
2016 cascadia
Will blocking off the EGR cooler get rid of the codes and stop all that black smoke, leaving my exhaust?
Keep up to great work on the videos
Great video, however, can you explain how water gets in there ?? Considering it is so tucked away and far above the ground...TIA
MC Transport
Condensation from temperature changes like he said at the beginning of the video. All air, even air that flows the engine contains moisture. Compressing this air along with those temperature changes creates condensation... water!
Hi I have a check engine code is spn 411 fmi 1 ， I did clean it air blow, but the light keep came on, do you have any idea what other things will cause this code on, please let me know thank you
I'm having to go home early tonight because my dd13 Freightliner Cascadia just made a loud pop and then the check engine light came on and I lost all boost. What could that be
Turbo bad or turbo control module is bad
Thank you for the tip, much appreciated
Thank you for the video very simple and easy explanation. I am having the same problem right now. I will be disassembling the unit and checking for sudden blockage. Hopefully that fixes the issue you probably just saved me about $1500 at the dealer.
Will this turn on and say. Fuel pressure is low. I have engine light an check engine light on. It has a hard time picking up speed. FED light didnt come one I change the doser valve it was black it work a little but I still have the problem. FED light never came on at this point. Also my fuel said I was low but not its tell me its not and my oil psi goes up and down. Fuel filter is clean. Coolent is not leaking at all and look under I see dry oil under but when I run it no oil leak check the oil stick my oil is not low.
It sounds like your Fuel Quantity Control Valve needs replaced, and your low Oil pressure sounds like your Oil Pump/ Pick Up Tubes have bad SEALS in your Oil Pan. These need to be checked for wear and replaced if the Pick-Up tubes are loose.
Also, check the Oil Breather Filter/Oil Separator if it's clogged or leaking oil where it's mounted on the block. If you see any oil leaking from the Oil Breather Filter then change gasket with new Separator. This will cause low Oil pressure if clogged or leaks.
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I hope these help you.
thanks this was some great information. you just saved me a lot of money
Buy cleaning egr cooler would it keep water temperature normal and would help keep the oil cooler?
I got idpf in pressure..dpf out pressure ..def pressure sensor..and sensor volt 1 04 spn 3509..can someone help me out
Thanks sadly wish I knew about this last yr $7,000 later life lesson learned
I really can’t thank you enough for this kind of information. But I really would like to know your opinion on the Detroit DD 15 how good of the engine do you feel it is, and 2. How often would you say you should check those ports you’ve mentioned about in this video.
My personal experience with 13+ liter engines over the last decade has been mostly with Cummins and Detroit with some Cats thrown in before 2011. I've always liked Cummins but over this time they've been getting out shined by Detroit. They all have their share of problems but I just tend to prefer Detroit. Daimler trucks and Detroit are so integrated now, it tends to aid in diagnosing and troubleshooting with electrical and aftertreatment issues.. Which is what I tend to spend 90% of my time doing these days.
As for the ports, I would say every 4 to 6 months. Maybe sooner if you frequent very wet/humid areas or when the temps float around the freezing point.
Thank you for the video. The problem im having is getting the v pipe off. Did you use a short socket and 3 inch extententiin or a long socket. Thanks in advance.
Is there ever any videos for freightliner m2 106 box trucks
Soak it in straight purple power a few hours. Works great!!
WoW! Thanks. This helped me out tremendously.
Wow didn't even know about this
Forget cleaning it. Just go to any Freightliner parts counter & order the kit they sell to replace the pipe, the sensor & gaskets for only $95 😮
Whats the exact name of the kit? I'm having this issue as well and it was semi cleaned but if I can just replace it I will
? Will it be ok to just block off tube that leads to intake manifold and just leave the original EGR valve alone, will gases still return back to engine
and will it still set off a code..... if done this way.
Lol. You will have NO TURBO, and the SOOT levels will clog the Egr, Venturi Pipe, and Delta Pressure sensor.
Great video and very informative!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very clear and detailed, thanks.👍👍
Thank you for this video. Very helpful advice!
Good day, I have a question: should the delta sensor be replaced even if the EGR was deleted on the truck?
Delta check engine light is flashing.
The Delta P also regulates the Turbo Charger. If you still have a Delta Pressure Sensor, then it stands for a reason why you're getting a Delta Code. Replace it and clean out the Venturi Pipe. Clear those two small holes with a flexible wire or with a plastic zip tie on a drill at low speed. The zip tie will twist and act like a drill bit and break up the carbon build-up.
This should fix your problem.
Extremely useful, great video 👍👍💚
you said the ports have a bend in them. true on the early dd engines. the later venturi's have a straight port to help alleviate the plugging problem. there is an update kit with new venturi pipe, delta p sensor, and corresponding connector replacement. also some of the kits were packaged incorrectly from the vendor to ddc. the delta p sensor should ALWAYS be level front to back. if not, you have the wrong venturi pipe for that engine. and a quick explanation of what the sensor is doing. the sensor measures pressure difference (egr does not flow thru the sensor) between the high side and low side which the ecm can then calculate egr flow. if the port gets plugged the ecm believes there is NO egr flow and slams the egr valve wide open under all engine conditions. obviously at low speed the engine cannot swallow that much and stumbles and smokes and cant pull a greasy string out of a cats azz and of course throws a code. egr gas is inert (no oxygen) so if the ecm is pushing fuel into the engine it cannot burn without oxygen and smokes like an old freight train filling the dpf prematurely . one thing leads to another.
Thank you for these brilliant details . Great stuff!
great info bro thanks
Big thanks
Detroit does not recommend cleaning venturi in any way. Cummins does. Detroit says replace it because it's coated with a non stick substance. If clogged supposed to replace. Not clean because it's not a fix its a bandaid.
EGR gases are corrosive. This is why the EGR system has coated components.
Detroit absolutely does recommend cleaning of the EGR ports. In the right climate these ports can becoming restricted in very little time, whether the part is new or not. Replacing the Venturi every time would not make sense.
@@TheDieseler don't blame the messenger. I follow all oem protocol. I am oem certified in dd, cummins, international, hino. I have access to all software as well with all bulletins. It's says to replace not to clean. Fact. Sorry you don't like it but there is a reason for it weather you see it or not. Port of egr yes can be cleaned. The egr and tube not to be cleaned.
"Port of EGR yes can be cleaned"
Ok, thanks for finally agreeing with me since this video, from start to finish is about cleaning those ports..
Great video
Have you ever had this code please advice spn 411 fmi 13
I was getting SPN 411 FMI 13, SPN 411 FMI 2, SPN 2631 FMI 1, SPN 3058 FMI10 and then I temoved the Delta P Sensor. I didn't find blockage in the pipe but I found a congealed quarter in one port on the sensor. I cleaned it out, slightly scraped baked on matter from the O-rings and cleaned up around the port edges with a flathead screwdriver. Shortly after reassembly in getting a 25% derate and a consistent and persistent SPN 2659 FMI 0 only. Is my Delta P sensor bad or do I have an EGR Valve issue? Thanks for the vid!
getting same code FMI 2659 FMI 0. did you figure it out? thanks
@@andrewmack5049 all my codes were related to a leaking EGR cooler. The coolant was leaking out the hot side into the exhaust and DPF filter, so it's not good for that expensive component. I changed the cooler and haven't had any codes since. The cooler is about $1800us
@@andrewmack5049 , here's a video for your code spn 2659 fmi 0:
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Yeah I alway pull it off to clean it too!
I have the code 411 fail 13 it refers to the delta p sensor
How could i find out if my egr is goin bad? I have a 2012 freightliner cascadia DD15
eric manzo The EGR's performance is monitored pretty closely by the MCM. Check Engine lights will usually be your first clue. You can also have more silent problems like a leaking cooler. But you'll notice the engine going through a lot of Coolant with no visible leaks.
eric manzo if u dnt have a check engine light you find. Or throwing a code.
+Corey Brown This is USUALLY true. But, I have seen EGR valves fail without setting faults. Some to the point where the engine would not run (Cummins).
This the code I get on my freightliner cascadia 2015 SPN 2659 FMI 0? Could you please tell me what I need to do to fix this issue. The dashboard says "Emission System Problem Detected 25% derate "
Like any fault code, the root cause can be a number of things. For that particular one, following the procedure layed out in this video would be a good start.
did you ever figure it out?
Thanks for useful information
Hey we have a few 2016-2019 freightliner and KW trucks with the cummins motors. We have replaced the EGR cooler on ALL of them around 90-110k miles. Now a few of them seem to be mysteriously loosing coolant - no leaks under truck, no coolant in oil. I am afraid the coolant is leaking into the EGR again and we are going to have to replace them, again. Any idea what gives? Or anything I can do to help it? I would love to delete all that BS but I am unsure about doing that.. (yet)..
Did you find the problem?
bro freaking love your vids thanks alot!! keep em comming
4:48 where did you find that on software.
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Can you help me please i got ENG Low 12s277 01 comes and go any idea
How do you get the software that will read a DD15 engine and how do you connect it to your laptop?
Thanks.
97935 c242 Detroit Diagnostic Link can be purchased from Detroit Diesel. Connecting it to a computer requires a translator box like Nexiq. There's a few different companies that make them.
@@TheDieseler I'm having this code spn 411 fmi 13 and had 25% derate,have you ever had this happen?
Excellent
These new engines with egr,deff refine, sucks. old engines o5 n down are the best.
I usually don't drive anything newer than 1975
Well then don’t watch it.. we don’t care about your old “technology”...
You better get used to it just like you’re used to smart phone then flip phone you moron.... think before you type.
@@dsotojc4645 Shut the fuck up
nissan Brown what???? Truth hurts???? Why don’t you shut the fuck up... you don’t know shit .
Thanks you man
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Please offer advice. The truck I run is Freightliner Columbia. On acceleration it coughs like a misfire eventually clears but next time accelerating cough spluttering and then runs good but while it’s trying to sort itself out power is low and truck is slow. Boss says it’s the EGR valve cutting in and out and local mechanics can’t fix it. Can you offer a solution please and thank you.
Richard
My friend had this problem. it was EGR getting stuck. At first he thought it was a turbo but it wasn't so He replaced turbo anyway and took care of EGR. problem solved.
Make sure the connector plug and wires to the egr valve are good and connected.
hello sir i have paccar mx 13 and i have code on my dosh monitor #4 injector data and egr delta sensor . i already change injector but my check engine still on and both code is still on plus my engine is derated . any help please
+Lion Arm Sorry, I've had almost no experience dealing with Paccar Engines.
I have a freightliner cascadia 2014 this cold spn 973 fml 13 comeing out and says engin break
engine retarder selection signal missing
I looked up the code and this came out
But a buddy saying it's the egr
You're right it is Engine Retarder fault. This is usually a problem on the truck side since the switch signal is Multiplexed through the MSF. There could be a problem with the switch itself or the Subbus switch pack it sits in. I would at least pull it out and make sure the contacts are clean.
very good
Comprar uno nuevo es mejor las dos cosas $150 en el dealer y ya sensor y el gascket,i put new sensor and the other part for $150 at dealer chip it’s going to be better
Dicen que venden el kit completo con la pipa esto en necesario o solo el sensor y ya ? Q me recomienda
@@JG-ss9xy yo te recomiendo el tubo ese donde va el sensor y el sensor todo eso lo compras en el dealer el tubito negro y el sensor ya con eso esta bien 👍
@@aleman876 si man gracias estás en lo correcto alguien me dijo lo mismo q comprara el tubo también q no lo limpiara porque se vuelve a tapar fácil, tú sabes si se necesita el laptop para programar el sensor o solo plug and play ?
No,solo cambias el sensor y el tubito negro donde va y ya,puedes cerrar la corriente por el switch del lado del asiento del chofer y abrirlo de nuevo y abres la llave 🔑 por 3 veces y la cuarta vez arranca ya el camion y listo
@@aleman876 Great 👍 thanks a lot bro
what product did u use to clean it with?
Informative....
hey i got a 2014 cummins isl on a freightliner that has a code spn 3058 fmi 18. Does that mean a pipe or sensor is not reading the egr flow? thanks
Paul B. I'm pretty sure that code crosses over to Cummins Fault Code 3382. "EGR System - Data valid but below operating range - Moderately severe level"
The measured EGR flow is lower than the ECU wants to see. This can be caused by the same problem covered in this video. Also, leaks or restrictions in the EGR system (pipes, EGR valve, EGR cooler, etc)
A stuck EGR valve or even VGT problems. The sensor ports are where I would start though.
thanks for the quick reply, so I took off the pressure sensor and I blow air into one of the ports and there is no air coming out from the other one. Does that mean that the egr Is plugged up?
Paul B. Both ports must flow air freely into the intake. It's very common to have one completely plugged
Open it and cleaning it
Any advice on Code spn 102 fml 18 engine derate 25% ???
Have you fixed the spn102 fmi18 ?? Having the same code and haven’t been able to find the problem
How do I get the screw out if one is stripped
NICE
4:48. What section on the software did you find that???? PLEASE REPLY
The Voltage readings? That particular screen is "Service Routines" --> "Voltages". You could also use other methods like "Chart" to graph it, etc..
TheDieseler do you have a paper sheet on what sensors should be at what voltage? I really need this type of info. To see if sensor bad or good
TheDieseler how to know which sensor should be at what voltage?
I've herd throttle cleaner, how does that sound in ur opinion
Yes, I'm sure that would break it up as well.
Wouldn’t a similar problems happen
On Paccar engines?
I have little to no experience with the Paccar engines but it's very possible.
@@TheDieseler I have EGR probs and fault codes that popped up talked a lot about egr pressures.
I’m at a pilot right next door to a Pete shop so hopefully that could be all my problem is.
Tomorrow morning I’ll call the shop to see if they have the iRt and I’ll take a look at the one I have now. If I see soot mud ... stuff on my sensor I’ll replace it...
Thank you just the same for letting me pick your brain on this matter.
What happens if the clip breaks?
2 mechanics cleaned and tried to fix my egr light and it still pops on..2004 Hyundai Santa Fe 98,000 miles.. anyone know what could be the issue??
can we install oil cat cans on this particular engine?
The crankcase on this engine is vented to atmosphere after passing through a centrifugal oil separater.
I'm so glad I bought a pre-emissions truck, don't have to deal with this bullshit!
Antonovich
I’ve two truck one pre and one post. I haul cars and I make more (35%-45%) money with the newer truck than my old truck because I go to commie country (west coast and east coast) specially Commiefornia.
Cascadia a/c clutch plug no power any idea what cause
I have the same problem. Did you ever figure it out? I've had my truck in 3 shops. They're telling me that the problem is the sam cab and the dealer is the only place with the software to fix it
Which engine are you running? I ask because I'm almost positive I've seen some of these with a Cummins engine that were wired a bit different. They picked up constant power for the compressor at the Starter positive terminal and controlled it on the ground side. If the starter has been changed recently, is possible to forget that little ring terminal.
The SAM cab needs to see engine rpm, proper voltage and a good reading from the pressure transducer to engage the clutch. Without a look at what it sees (Software), it can be tough to verify this.
@@TheDieseler 2012 DD13 engine. I have a Sam cabin A/C clutch compressor circuit shorted to ground code. Haven't replaced the starter
Do you know anything about the international N 13?
I know enough to stay away from them! Seriously though, I had some mild experience with DT466s/MaxxForceDTs over the years but have luckily never had to deal with much of their big-bore stuff. I'm just waiting to see how their A26 turns out. They could turn into a chassis manufacturer only if it flops too...
TheDieseler I have one that was purchased at auction. It has pressure in the cooling system and the entire egr has been blocked off with 4 little plates, so no chance of an egr cooler causing this. I feel that it is a liner issue however I have no experience with this engine and was wondering if anyone that has had experience with them could tell me a possible common cause of this on this particular engine or should I just turn it into a boat anchor and swap out to an ISX . This is a nice truck.
Thanks!
No problem! Hope it was helpful.
good stuff
Do you know where this sensor is located in a Volvo D13?
It's on the venturi pipe. Passenger side of engine. Follow pipe from egr cooler towards radiator. That pipe sometimes is green (if original) and black ( if it was replaced with new upgraded pipe). It is right above and in front of ac compressor.
I change the all thing and still give me the code
i was hoping you were going to show where to just turn this off for good, for us egr deleted guys
You're wanting to pay a hefty FINE. LOL.
Sid 277 fmi 1
I've had good luck with using a steamer and air to clear those ports
fkg egr, how i delete it
Ford commercials suck!
Delete it and stop worrying!!
Similar to a Ford
Great video
Great video
+Crystal ojeda Thanks a lot