@@barefootgaming6265 This thing is a beast! Love it! ...so doesn't bumping the player around in sync to the VR video, make for LESS motion sickness than playing a flight sim on a stationary chair? Asking for a friend :P
@@JoinUsInVR That is exactly what I've found FishTail, FEELING the movement seems to reduce motion sickness in racing (which is something people struggle with more than any other area of VR I've found). So feel free to tell your "friend" ;)
just ordered p6. realy going to test this to its limit. im 120kg and with all addons im near the 150kg limit. hope the motors is strong. got the next level gt ultimate v2, NL motion platform, NL traction pluss. gona be fun compare. thank you for the review.
Very glad to help AntrixZ, and I'd very much like to hear back how it runs at capacity. It's a question I get asked frequently and I'd love to hear from you on it :D
@@barefootgaming6265 Yeah Going to post a big review on how its holding up afther some heavy use. Going to run the p6 on my main beast pc:Cpu 9900k at 5,15ghz. 32gb 3600+mhz cl15 2x zotac 2080ti Artic. Samsung 970evopro 2tb. All inn a big custom loop,motherboard,cpu,gpus all watercool with 3 resoar,4pumps,3x480 thick radiators 1x120 radiator. And 2day i got the valve index finaly. On the p6 im gona add thrustmaster sparco motor and 383 sparco wheel , 2x thrustmaster clamps with the 2 x trustmaster sparco handbreake/siquens. Thrustmaster T3pa pro pedals And gona use a seat from one of my next level gt ultimate rigs, sins im a big guy i need a big seat. I also orderd all the addons on the dofreality page, looking forward to test the ass shaker and hairblower and all products. And i ges im gona add some aluminium profiles to make sure weel and handbreak and shifter does not have any give. Looking forward to see more of your sim and vr content.
...you have NO idea how excited I am for Squadrons. In fact I'm currently putting together a HOTAS comparison video as I am just so pumped for the chance to fly in the Star Wars universe again...and in VR?!? *ahem* ...very excited. That's what I'm sayin'
I'm actually still planning on doing just that Clayton - I'm just waiting till I can finally get my hands on a newer video card (scalpers!!!) as capturing the video while playing causes frame drops. I'm "in line" for a RTX 3080 at actual retail price, so fingers crossed they come into stock sooner than later :D
We're getting ready to pull the pin on a P6 for our flight department. How has yours been holding up since the review, and would you be willing to chat about your experience?
Heyo Scott, absolutely willing to help you anyway I can. Had a couple of hiccups shortly after install, but the guys at DOF were fantastic in ironing them out. Like I said though, any questions feel free to get me here or direct at barefootreviews@gmail.com :)
Ryan's Rants No, that’s not true. You tried to get him to give you a free platform, and after he refused you went postal. Maybe the lesson your 14 year old should learn is not to expect free stuff then whine like a baby when he doesn’t get it.
Barefoot Gaming Don’t listen to this guy. His claims are so ridiculous the thread he started on iRacing was locked by the moderators. He’s some nobody who wanted DOFReality to give him a free platform to review. He even admitted he has no followers but would build up his following. Igor thought about it and decided it didn’t make sense to give some rando a free platform, so this Ryan guy has been on an internet-wide quest to libel Igor for deciding it didn’t make financial sense to give a free P6 to some guy with no followers who had no value to add. That’s just a wise business decision, and now as a result this guy’s life is ruined as well as the life of his heartbroken 14 year old. Whatever.
Hi I have H6 try to simulate R22 helicopter with P3D, but motion very jerky. During heave test, jerking is always greatest when moving in the same direction as the load. That is, if user weight is insufficient to balance the gas springs, then the heave test is jerky in the upward direction.
My suggestion would be to reach out to the folks at SImRacing Studio, as they have been fantastic with any questions I've had regarding tweaks and the like for specific games, since they are the ones responsible for converting in game data to the movement, they are the experts! Good luck CS Tay!
Need to change the name of the channel to Steve the Pirate Gaming What's a pirate's favourite letter? Most people think it's Arrrrrr But no, a true pirate's first love is the C.
Time my friend...seems to be my eternal enemy! I have totally meant to give it a try, but have not yet had the time to do so (yet!) Thank you for the comment Major Pain :D
Hey, i am thinking of getting the H6, i just wonder now that you have used this for a few years now, how are you finding it? would you still recomend it? Also, i do not see anything recent about DOF Reality; is there another better platform others are looking at nowadays?
Heyo kevino9804 - DOF Reality is still the king of motions sims, and there is no one I've seen that can come close to their price OR the quality of their builds. You are correct - had it for many years and the H6 is still going strong! Hopefully that helps?
I totally want one! I have one concern though. Apparently the entire rig and pilot weight is a cantilevered load on the motor gear driveshafts. In the video it appears that the end of the shaft is moving/bending relative to the drive housing during fast motions.. If that is true, I would worry that the shaft would eventually fail. Would love to hear the impressions of anyone who has watched it live. Do those shafts look like they can take the load? This would not be an issue on the 3 axis version because the weight is supported on the seat frame pivot.
I THINK you can see it better in action in one of the following videos I did on the H6 ua-cam.com/video/oi8yvWzZXVw/v-deo.html I did another video on the H6 with flight as well as the one above ...to ME, watching other people use the H6 (as well as all the editing I've done of the videos) I don't see and flex or reason to believe it would be an issue over time. However there ARE weight restrictions on the device listed on the website, so I'm assuming that would play into it...as well as the long piston between each arm that runs vertically (three in total on the H6). If I'm not addressing your concern however, let me know, I may be missing which part you're concerned would fail? And I'm not expert by any means - just trying to help Tracy :D
Barefoot Gaming Thanks! Just what I needed to see. I didn’t notice the 3 gas springs in your video and was looking at the picture on the DOF Reality web sight which I don’t think had them. They must have added those later in production. I definitely plan on getting this system. Now I just hope Sony will add support for Gran Turismo, and MS Flightsim 2020 of course.
@@OtterFlys lol, serious sim stuff like this doesn't exist for consoles. Consoles run on very low-end hardware off proprietary OS and drivers. They simply can't handle stuff like this. Only for PC, bud.
I play Elite Dangerous at 2:18 and on for a while in this video...unless you mean another ED acronym? Which could be that I'm guessing totally wrong Scott :D Sadly no word on Star Citizen. Ideally they would need to build the movement into their code, although there ARE work arounds (if you check my Star Wars Squadrons review I discuss that you can map movement of the sim rig to the joystick movement etc). Hopefully thats helpful good sir!
Good question zl1_ronin! For the shoulder straps I used the bolts that the back to rods connect to, and for the seatbelt, there are bolt holes on both sides (where the rails bolt to the frame). Mine is actually a 5 point, but I never attached the last one, even though there are multiple spots under I could have done so with. Hopefully that helps!
lol - I REALLY should make a video of the platform I built for it. Trust me, more videos of the H6 are coming D R :D ...BUT in the meantime if there are any details you'd either like to know or see in an upcoming video feel free to let me know!
Funny you ask - since this thing is under pressure from the stabilizing piston - taking off an arm is more of a two man job, so I have not done it yet HOWEVER, the plan is to do so this Wednesday and I shall update this comment to keep you in the loop Chris :D
Barefoot Gaming thank you. Just a thought, you can tie all three pistons down with bungees or ripe. That way you won’t need to risk injury to your friend :-)
I did not forget about you Chris! I've checked both ends, and I'm not comfortable with the amount of threading available. I contacted DOF and asked them about this and they said they would be sending a longer extension piece to prevent it from hitting. Glad we were able to uncover it, and it looks to be a very simple fix on their end :D
Barefoot Gaming thank you so much for getting back to me. I have 6k followers myself and I know it’s not easy to keep on top of comments. Let’s hope DOF send out the new extensions as standard.
I'll get in touch with them next week if they don't show up just as a reminder (also even having an extra inch on each end would negate the need for an actual extension piece) - and it's true, with emails and messages it can be easy to lose track of a comment here or there. Just striving to do my best, and I thought your question was very valid and didn't want it to be missed. Thank you Chris :D
I'm saying two circuits that run back to the breaker...not two outlets. I mean you CAN run this on two outlets on the same circuit, but they recommend each run on it's own circuit (to clarify, I am not running them on dedicated circuits, just not on the SAME one). Hopefully that helps Stuart?
If'n you don't mind I'll just copy this reply to all three of your questions ;) Everything is still working well for me. The only hiccup I encounter is from time to time I have to close Steam and relaunch before using the motion sim...but that tends to only happen after I've been doing lots of other stuff on my PC (editing / VR and non VR gaming and the like). IF you have any other questions though Ziggy, let me know and I'll do my best to answer!
With all respect to VR, for the home sim for real pilots the current popular set up is the Honeycomb yoke, and throttle quadrant. Large screen or three screen operation. The question is using XPlane 11 of Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, could these be set up on DOF reality?
Thank you, great review. The 3dof is more in my price range. In you opinion, is surge, heave and sway a must. Do you think if you didn't have them and only had pitch, roll and yaw that you'd still get a proper experience in flight Sims, especially combat.
Yes. The 3dof is more than enough. Some people even replaces sway by roll and b surge by pitch as the g forces simulates those better than actual directional move
Thank you very much KenZed :D - here is what I can say...I have never tried the DOF Reality H3, and I would LVOE to be able to do a comparison video of how they differ for differences of real world feel (perhaps one day DOF will send one for a review) but I CAN say in complete honesty that movement of ANY sort lined up with the game your playing is freeking incredible. Surge, heave and sway DO add, but there is no "proper experience"...I would say if the H6 is past your budget do NOT worry about what you're missing, and focus on what you would be getting with a 3DOF rig, as there is no question you'll be very impressed. IF however you need anything else answered though, don' hesitate to ask. No matter the rig you decide to go with, it's a big purchase and if I can help in any way clarify something I absolutely want to. Hopefully that helped?? :D
DO NOT BUY FROM THIS COMPANY, They will lie to you, promise you things without care. I now have to go tell my 14 year old son that one of our dreams isn't about to happen after building him up based on what Igor from over at DOF reality promised us. These people are truly heartless if there is more than just Igor behind all this. I literally just spent the last hour getting yelled at and insulted by this man simply because I asked to speak with his boss about him refusing to follow through with his offers/promises
I think that's a really good idea - maybe not raw video but video of all the different flight games showing what each one does on landing take off / etc. - consider it on my to do list!
@@barefootgaming6265 Would be great if you could show different situations in IL-2 and the H6. For me the motion looked strange compared to the gameplay. Please make a video!
hello, just watched your racing video and this with this chair. i just picked up MS Flight Sim 2020 witch will they say they'll add vr support for, and i also have dirt rally 2.0 witch i can use vr with. i was wondering....do you leave the flight controls on while racing, or remove them? seems like it would be kind of a pain to remove and add them back on each time, especially if you end up wanting to jump from one to the other
In a perfect world, it would be either flight OR racing, but I'm in the same boat as you and use it for both. I leave my wheel connected as it gets more use and have it setup to add / remove my HOTAS with velcro to the mounts. No question it an be very full when getting in and out, but at least the controls themselves can all be hooked up at once without any complications - as you are correct, removing the wheel for flight would be all kinds of a pain in the butt :D ...and as soon as Flight Sim 2020 adds VR I'm looking forward to reviewing it in the H6 (I've been keeping a close eye on the forums, and hopefully the wait won't be TOO long). Thanks for the question Nick, if there is anything else I can help with just say the word :D
I find it difficult to use the 'extreme' holes due to the platform shaking heavily when I was climbing or diving (pitch) in flight sims (DCS) slowly. Did you happen to experience this at all? Also can you explain the part about raising the platform to not hit the motors? I have the same issue with it hitting as well. Thanks!
I am on it tonight (hopefully!) to try their solution for the not hitting the motors part. As to DCS shaking, I didn't experience that myself, but I may not have been running with the default setting in SimRacing Studio. What I would recommend in your case (with the shaking) is first make sure your SRS software is most up to date, and if you're still experiencing issues reach out to Gilbert direct at SimRacing Studio to get his feedback. He's fantastic to work with and it sounds like it could be a software config issue. I'll keep you posted on the raising the platform fix though! Making a run to Home Depot tonight to see if I can get this figured out ;)
Barefoot Gaming Any news? My P6’s pedal plate also hit the front left motor. I wound up taking it apart and turning over the center bar that the pedal plate is mounted to, so the pedals are raised for a more Formula One driving position. That means the pedal plate doesn’t hit the motor, but the bottom of the upright steering mount does. I’ve adjusted the arm ends to raise the moving platform but it doesn’t raise it enough. What has your experience been with raising yours?
I think the best way to explain this is, think about if you've ever flipped a breaker. Too much stuff on one circuit will cause one breaker to flip. This comes with two boxes that each need to be plugged in...and odds are if you plug them into the same outlet they are on the same breaker...each breaker is one circuit. If you want to test it out, plug something into an outlet and flip the breaker for that plug. Then find another plug somewhere that works WHILE that breaker is flipped, then you know it's on another circuit! Hope that helps Peepeepoopoo224!
Best bet would be to reach out directly to DOF Reality, as I am but just a Canadian review d00d, and I completely understand why you'd want to test it out in advance. It's a big purchase for sure (although I'm not sure any of the motion sim companies have places to test...fingers crossed they might??)
Good evening Pankaj V, I wish I could be of more help on that front, but I've ONLY tried the H6. The mechanical aspects are for sure similar and I would think the H3 (the P are a professional model, and the H are home series) would be fine, although you'd get less types of motion (3DOF vs 6DOF) I'm certain it would still add like crazy to your experience :D
I bought a P6 in Dec, however I haven't had time to assemble it yet; whats the word on the bar extensions? I am sure I will need them also. Will they be standard with new unit purchased going forward? FYI- Barry over at Sim Racing Garage is rumored to be doing a full H6/P6(?) review in the next month.
I've added the two nuts per extension, but haven't had a chance to test it yet as I've moved it up onto a raised platform and had to cut all the data cables to extend them (yes...I am crazy). Hoping to verify by the end of the weekend if it's a full fix and shall keep you posted D R :)
@@barefootgaming6265 Could you share the instructions DOF Reality provided to you? Curious try this myself as I'm having this issue as well with it catching on the motor. Thanks!
@@curtisjackson8118 I wish it would allow me to post a picture here, as I will include it in an upcoming "update" on the H6, but I'll do my best to describe it. There are two rods and one piston connected to each motor. You'll note there is a nut on each end of two of those rods. What I did is take a M10 nut, and make it so there are TWO nuts (side by side) on each end. What this does is effectively life your entire floating part of the rig up two nuts in height - and you should now miss the motor. I did this on all of the rods though, not just the ones at the front :) Let me know if that makes sense Curtis! And keep me posted!
I still haven't actually! I had read there were performance issues with VR in MSFS2020 and was waiting till things got smoothed out, and it fell off my radar. Thank you for the reminder though JR, as I should look back into it :D
This is very dependent on the setup....for example if you watch our DOF Reality racing review you'll see there is an "arm" or bar that runs across the front for mounting the wheel to. IF (like myself) you want to be able to switch from racing to flight, it's not easy to get in and out of. I tend to hold the seat while I step on the frame (the frame is very strong and doesn't move at all) and kind of drop into the seat. If however you're only using it for flight it's really easy to get into as you can approach it from the front instead of the side. Basically the more equipment you have strapped to it the harder it is to get in (but feels more and more like an actual cockpit). Hopefully that makes sense? If you need more clarity let me know and I'm on it. Two circuits. Again for 110 voltage (for example North America)...two circuits means you can't plug them into the same outlet for sure, and more so, if you were to go to your breaker box and flip that outlet off, you'd want to plug the other black controller box into a circuit that was still on. This CAN be problematic, because in most rooms all the plugs are on the same circuit (you hit the breaker and all the plugs in the room are dead). So they recommend running on two different circuits so as to prevent too much draw on one circuit (all the power running to one breaker) causing your breaker to keep flipping. I've not tested this myself and run it on a plug that is shared by my computer for example, and the other circuit I'm running on in my basement is running to my sump pump. Again though, if you need more clarity I'll be glad to give it another try :)
Barefoot Gaming thanks for your detailed reply, things are clear now and i hope you create more videos with the H6, i am planning to order H6 next May! I was reluctant but now after your flight simulator review i’ll go for it. Lets hope that the Pimax 8kx starts shipping soon.
@@boston19801 Oh for sure - more H6 featured videos are coming - and I'm glad to help! I still haven't had a chance to get my hands on any of the Pimax models, but with what I've heard on quality and distortion on previous models...fingers crossed they get that stuff worked out. Wider FOV is absolutely a good thing :D
I've actually reached out to YAWVR multiple times through Facebook and through their email and they won't respond...as in at all. I too would be curious to see how they compare but I can't seem to get their attention Harv :s - if you have any ideas I am all ears!
@@barefootgaming6265 Your best bet would be to try and contact them through their discord I think. They're only a small team of employees and I don't think they have any aort of community manager or staff yet. Their discord would be your best bet.
He probably hears that a lot about me "you know Stamets, you look an awful lot like this super cool crazy awesome and oh so humble UA-cam'r from Barefoot Gaming" ;)
I've tried it...and War Thunder is a little hit and miss because they didn't program telemetry (the studio that MADE War Thunder) on every plane....for details on the workaround and exactly what has to be set for it to work see here www.simracingstudio.com/forum/motion-profiles/war-thunder-dof-reality Hopefully that helps Troy :D
Hi BFG and all. I've got my H6 on the way right now (got a week and a bit left shipping time though still, agony ! 😢) I will be using it with VR BUT i've seen a bunch of vids with rigs using fixed mounted monitors. My question is, having the screens fixed whilst you're bobbing about in the rig....doesn't that like totally kill the immersion?? like you're racing in a car whilst sat on a beachball that's rocking around?
That would be my take on it as well Gray...this is really designed from the beginning for VR (in my personal opinion of course). I guess if you strapped all the monitors to the H6 itself, but the balance would be totally off as would the weight limits within a very short amount of time. I would NOT recommend this setup in non VR PS I hope you enjoy the cr@p out of your sim when it arrives!!
Great review. I'm thinking of getting one of these for playing Elite Dangerous, and I'm wondering how good is the software integration? Is it just taking information from the joystick, or is SRS picking up more complete telemetry from the game? When you lift off your ship from a dock, do you feel the movement in the heave axis? Six degrees of freedom is great, but if it isn't actually being used, I might go with a less expensive solution.
Heyo William, I can tell you that ALL info is derved from the game itself, not from the joysticks or wheels. The software is made by Sim Racing Studio and yes, you absolutely feel the heave on takeoff. As to level of expense, I've ONLY tried the H6, I'd love to be able to tell you how the H3 or P3 performs in comparison with games like Elite, but I can't speak to that (yet! Bug the DOF guys and let them know you want me to compare them ;) ) If you have any other questions I can help you with though William, I'll be glad to in any way I can!
I don't know if this is helpful, but I upgraded from the h3 to the h6 and I didn't notice as much of a benefit of the h6 in elite dangerous or in DCS. For racing sims, it made a huge difference.
This game is a little hit and miss. It seems like programming wise not every plane has geometry output (I honestly don't know why the devs would only program telemetry for SOME planes) but for more details check out Sim Racing Studios page on their profiles for DCS Brads World - hopefully that helps! www.simracingstudio.com/forum/motion-profiles/digital-combat-simulator-dcs-dof-reality
According to their website - they say the difference between the H6 and P6 is only for the amount it is used (P6 being for commercial use with 12+ hours a day) although I've heard different things from different users. From the source at least, if it's for home use it's the H6 you would want Chris :)
I wish you would have shown how you mounted the horas, particularly the part I can't see too well, the throttle. IMO Did Reality did the most piss poor job of a mounting solution for anything except Vipril sticks. The mounting plates don't match for anything except for it. When o contacted them they basically told me I need to fabricate a solution! Paid over $5500US for the pro version. I shouldn't have to devise a solution. Now it mostly sits because ergonomics is non existent. I feel that I should've gone with the Racing Cube for my flight sim motion platform.
Thats a good point about the HOPTAS setup. I actually did it slightly different than intended as I want it easily removable to swithc between flight / driving. I attached the plates to the bars that support the rods / pistons. It also gives more room to get in and out. I think I'll be putting out another video addressing all the things people have requested and that's a VERY good point for me to cover. Thanks Nona Bizness :)
HA! That's not a silly question with all the bells and whistles attached. You can step in from either the right or left side, unless you ONLY have a HOTAS setup without a wheel...in which case you can step in from the front (as the bars holding the wheel are not required UNLESS you install a wheel). In MY setup that has both wheel and HOTAS installed, you get in from the side (like a car) just behind where the HOTAS is setup. Hope that helps!
I forgot! So many games and so little time - tell you what though, I'll add it to the list and will do my best to include it in the next flight sim review in this puppy : o
11 month old review.....still kicks the anuses out of all other reviews. YT algorithm wouldn't recognize quality to recommend if a virus came in with a wrench and shat on it in its multiple servers all at the same time
It works alright with some of the planes (aircraft only) but for full details check out this link Billy - hopefully that helps! www.simracingstudio.com/forum/motion-profiles/war-thunder-dof-reality
Please do reconsider before buying DOFreality! I went for the H6 and it became the worst buying experience ever They cheat on prices, withold information and have a terrible customer support!! There are so many better options if one saves a little bit more money. Quality of the rig? MEEEEEH
The motion is actually SUPER smooth when the game calls for it, and only jerky when you crash or hit turbulence. Flip to 1:43 for an example of it moving very smoothly. The problem with showing lots of smooth movement from a distance is it looks like I'm just sitting in a chair - hence the reason I tried to show both in the review. IF you have any more questions about it though, just let me know and I can clarify Senhsational V - always looking to help :) *EDIT* I should clarify the flight you're seeing at 1:43 is from X-Plane 11
Wow this is the 1st great dofreality flying review
Thank you SO much Macintosh1838, very kind of you to say!
I agree.
@@barefootgaming6265 This thing is a beast! Love it! ...so doesn't bumping the player around in sync to the VR video, make for LESS motion sickness than playing a flight sim on a stationary chair? Asking for a friend :P
@@JoinUsInVR That is exactly what I've found FishTail, FEELING the movement seems to reduce motion sickness in racing (which is something people struggle with more than any other area of VR I've found). So feel free to tell your "friend" ;)
@@ryanw1284ryansrants I'd very much like to hear what happened. What did he promise that he didn't deliver?
just ordered p6. realy going to test this to its limit. im 120kg and with all addons im near the 150kg limit. hope the motors is strong. got the next level gt ultimate v2, NL motion platform, NL traction pluss. gona be fun compare. thank you for the review.
Very glad to help AntrixZ, and I'd very much like to hear back how it runs at capacity. It's a question I get asked frequently and I'd love to hear from you on it :D
@@barefootgaming6265 Yeah Going to post a big review on how its holding up afther some heavy use. Going to run the p6 on my main beast pc:Cpu 9900k at 5,15ghz. 32gb 3600+mhz cl15 2x zotac 2080ti Artic.
Samsung 970evopro 2tb.
All inn a big custom loop,motherboard,cpu,gpus all watercool with 3 resoar,4pumps,3x480 thick radiators 1x120 radiator.
And 2day i got the valve index finaly. On the p6 im gona add thrustmaster sparco motor and 383 sparco wheel , 2x thrustmaster clamps with the 2 x trustmaster sparco handbreake/siquens.
Thrustmaster T3pa pro pedals And gona use a seat from one of my next level gt ultimate rigs, sins im a big guy i need a big seat. I also orderd all the addons on the dofreality page, looking forward to test the ass shaker and hairblower and all products. And i ges im gona add some aluminium profiles to make sure weel and handbreak and shifter does not have any give. Looking forward to see more of your sim and vr content.
Very nice and detailed review, great job! Also, congrats on 2k:-)
Thank you very much Dog Box - and I can almost not believe we broke the 2000 subscriber amount! Could not have done it without you (genuinely)
When i see elite dangerous, i see you are a man of culture as well
...lol, thank you kindly All day Vids. And I assure you I am itching to get into the cockpit in XWing Squadrons as well :D
Oh wow I’m just now seeing this video and this answers a question I left on your other video.Lol,thanks man.
Ha! What's funny is I straight out USE the DOF Reality H6 in my Star Wars Squadrons review :D
Definitely gonna need to get one of these for squadrons!
...you have NO idea how excited I am for Squadrons. In fact I'm currently putting together a HOTAS comparison video as I am just so pumped for the chance to fly in the Star Wars universe again...and in VR?!?
*ahem*
...very excited. That's what I'm sayin'
Great review Barefoot, thank you
Thank YOU Aezrael Death! It makes doing the reviews so much easier to put the time into when I hear that any viewers get something out of them :D
love an update to this video with Fs2020 instead of Xplane
I'm actually still planning on doing just that Clayton - I'm just waiting till I can finally get my hands on a newer video card (scalpers!!!) as capturing the video while playing causes frame drops. I'm "in line" for a RTX 3080 at actual retail price, so fingers crossed they come into stock sooner than later :D
We're getting ready to pull the pin on a P6 for our flight department. How has yours been holding up since the review, and would you be willing to chat about your experience?
Heyo Scott, absolutely willing to help you anyway I can. Had a couple of hiccups shortly after install, but the guys at DOF were fantastic in ironing them out. Like I said though, any questions feel free to get me here or direct at barefootreviews@gmail.com :)
@@ryanw1284ryansrants I'd very much like to hear what happened. What did he promise that he didn't deliver?
Ryan's Rants No, that’s not true. You tried to get him to give you a free platform, and after he refused you went postal. Maybe the lesson your 14 year old should learn is not to expect free stuff then whine like a baby when he doesn’t get it.
Barefoot Gaming Don’t listen to this guy. His claims are so ridiculous the thread he started on iRacing was locked by the moderators. He’s some nobody who wanted DOFReality to give him a free platform to review. He even admitted he has no followers but would build up his following. Igor thought about it and decided it didn’t make sense to give some rando a free platform, so this Ryan guy has been on an internet-wide quest to libel Igor for deciding it didn’t make financial sense to give a free P6 to some guy with no followers who had no value to add. That’s just a wise business decision, and now as a result this guy’s life is ruined as well as the life of his heartbroken 14 year old. Whatever.
Hi I have H6 try to simulate R22 helicopter with P3D, but motion very jerky. During heave test, jerking is always greatest when moving in the same direction as the load. That is, if user weight is insufficient to balance the gas springs, then the heave test is jerky in the upward direction.
My suggestion would be to reach out to the folks at SImRacing Studio, as they have been fantastic with any questions I've had regarding tweaks and the like for specific games, since they are the ones responsible for converting in game data to the movement, they are the experts! Good luck CS Tay!
awesome review How would you compare this to the Yaw 2??
Need to change the name of the channel to Steve the Pirate Gaming
What's a pirate's favourite letter?
Most people think it's Arrrrrr
But no, a true pirate's first love is the C.
you should try DCS world, there is a lot to learn but it's worth it
Time my friend...seems to be my eternal enemy! I have totally meant to give it a try, but have not yet had the time to do so (yet!)
Thank you for the comment Major Pain :D
Do you know of any DOF H6 assembly videos?
Sorry Donkey Dem - none that I'm aware of, although if memory serves there is a link to a pdf that DOF Reality sends with the sim itself
what kind of product support is there to get things up and running for some one who is not tech savey?
I can only speak to the support I received...which was great...but I AM tech savey, so that may not be helpful - sorry Andrew :s
Hey, i am thinking of getting the H6, i just wonder now that you have used this for a few years now, how are you finding it? would you still recomend it? Also, i do not see anything recent about DOF Reality; is there another better platform others are looking at nowadays?
Heyo kevino9804 - DOF Reality is still the king of motions sims, and there is no one I've seen that can come close to their price OR the quality of their builds. You are correct - had it for many years and the H6 is still going strong!
Hopefully that helps?
I totally want one! I have one concern though. Apparently the entire rig and pilot weight is a cantilevered load on the motor gear driveshafts. In the video it appears that the end of the shaft is moving/bending relative to the drive housing during fast motions.. If that is true, I would worry that the shaft would eventually fail. Would love to hear the impressions of anyone who has watched it live. Do those shafts look like they can take the load? This would not be an issue on the 3 axis version because the weight is supported on the seat frame pivot.
I THINK you can see it better in action in one of the following videos I did on the H6
ua-cam.com/video/oi8yvWzZXVw/v-deo.html
I did another video on the H6 with flight as well as the one above
...to ME, watching other people use the H6 (as well as all the editing I've done of the videos) I don't see and flex or reason to believe it would be an issue over time. However there ARE weight restrictions on the device listed on the website, so I'm assuming that would play into it...as well as the long piston between each arm that runs vertically (three in total on the H6).
If I'm not addressing your concern however, let me know, I may be missing which part you're concerned would fail? And I'm not expert by any means - just trying to help Tracy :D
Barefoot Gaming Thanks! Just what I needed to see. I didn’t notice the 3 gas springs in your video and was looking at the picture on the DOF Reality web sight which I don’t think had them. They must have added those later in production. I definitely plan on getting this system. Now I just hope Sony will add support for Gran Turismo, and MS Flightsim 2020 of course.
@@OtterFlys lol, serious sim stuff like this doesn't exist for consoles. Consoles run on very low-end hardware off proprietary OS and drivers. They simply can't handle stuff like this.
Only for PC, bud.
I. Must. Have. This!!!
lol - it's a pretty fun toy, not gonna lie
Would love to see some footage of ED being played - also any hints at Star Citizen support?
I play Elite Dangerous at 2:18 and on for a while in this video...unless you mean another ED acronym? Which could be that I'm guessing totally wrong Scott :D
Sadly no word on Star Citizen. Ideally they would need to build the movement into their code, although there ARE work arounds (if you check my Star Wars Squadrons review I discuss that you can map movement of the sim rig to the joystick movement etc). Hopefully thats helpful good sir!
@@barefootgaming6265 Not sure how I missed that - will go back and check it out. TY :)
Where did you mount the harness? Also any racing seat will work? What about reclining ones?
Good question zl1_ronin! For the shoulder straps I used the bolts that the back to rods connect to, and for the seatbelt, there are bolt holes on both sides (where the rails bolt to the frame). Mine is actually a 5 point, but I never attached the last one, even though there are multiple spots under I could have done so with.
Hopefully that helps!
How is your DOF 6? did you finish your modifications? Share ALL the info, LOL.
lol - I REALLY should make a video of the platform I built for it. Trust me, more videos of the H6 are coming D R :D
...BUT in the meantime if there are any details you'd either like to know or see in an upcoming video feel free to let me know!
Did you manage to fix the chair hitting the motor issue?
Funny you ask - since this thing is under pressure from the stabilizing piston - taking off an arm is more of a two man job, so I have not done it yet HOWEVER, the plan is to do so this Wednesday and I shall update this comment to keep you in the loop Chris :D
Barefoot Gaming thank you. Just a thought, you can tie all three pistons down with bungees or ripe. That way you won’t need to risk injury to your friend :-)
I did not forget about you Chris!
I've checked both ends, and I'm not comfortable with the amount of threading available. I contacted DOF and asked them about this and they said they would be sending a longer extension piece to prevent it from hitting. Glad we were able to uncover it, and it looks to be a very simple fix on their end :D
Barefoot Gaming thank you so much for getting back to me. I have 6k followers myself and I know it’s not easy to keep on top of comments. Let’s hope DOF send out the new extensions as standard.
I'll get in touch with them next week if they don't show up just as a reminder (also even having an extra inch on each end would negate the need for an actual extension piece) - and it's true, with emails and messages it can be easy to lose track of a comment here or there. Just striving to do my best, and I thought your question was very valid and didn't want it to be missed. Thank you Chris :D
When you say two circuits are you saying two circuits running back to the breaker panel or just two outlets
I'm saying two circuits that run back to the breaker...not two outlets. I mean you CAN run this on two outlets on the same circuit, but they recommend each run on it's own circuit (to clarify, I am not running them on dedicated circuits, just not on the SAME one). Hopefully that helps Stuart?
@@barefootgaming6265 that does help thanks.... Gonna have to run some wiring.... Or just run a 240 line to my games room...
It is Aug 2020 now, is this still working well for you now!??? I was
thinking about getting one, I just wan to know about reliability. Thanks
If'n you don't mind I'll just copy this reply to all three of your questions ;)
Everything is still working well for me. The only hiccup I encounter is from time to time I have to close Steam and relaunch before using the motion sim...but that tends to only happen after I've been doing lots of other stuff on my PC (editing / VR and non VR gaming and the like). IF you have any other questions though Ziggy, let me know and I'll do my best to answer!
Flight Simulator 2020 ? :-)
Oh we will definitely be grabbing FS 2020 when it launches for coverage Jose :D
Just found your channel. Will buy a house first then the h6. At moment can’t afford either. Lol. Very cool. Everything else is bland.
House first is probably a good idea Sam, as the H6 does not have a lot of sleeping room :D
With all respect to VR, for the home sim for real pilots the current popular set up is the Honeycomb yoke, and throttle quadrant. Large screen or three screen operation. The question is using XPlane 11 of Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, could these be set up on DOF reality?
Thank you, great review. The 3dof is more in my price range. In you opinion, is surge, heave and sway a must. Do you think if you didn't have them and only had pitch, roll and yaw that you'd still get a proper experience in flight Sims, especially combat.
Yes. The 3dof is more than enough. Some people even replaces sway by roll and b surge by pitch as the g forces simulates those better than actual directional move
Thank you very much KenZed :D - here is what I can say...I have never tried the DOF Reality H3, and I would LVOE to be able to do a comparison video of how they differ for differences of real world feel (perhaps one day DOF will send one for a review) but I CAN say in complete honesty that movement of ANY sort lined up with the game your playing is freeking incredible. Surge, heave and sway DO add, but there is no "proper experience"...I would say if the H6 is past your budget do NOT worry about what you're missing, and focus on what you would be getting with a 3DOF rig, as there is no question you'll be very impressed.
IF however you need anything else answered though, don' hesitate to ask. No matter the rig you decide to go with, it's a big purchase and if I can help in any way clarify something I absolutely want to.
Hopefully that helped?? :D
@@barefootgaming6265 thank you, that does help.
You're most welcome KenZed - and I'm here if you have any other questions. Have an awesome day!
DO NOT BUY FROM THIS COMPANY, They will lie to you, promise you things without care. I now have to go tell my 14 year old son that one of our dreams isn't about to happen after building him up based on what Igor from over at DOF reality promised us. These people are truly heartless if there is more than just Igor behind all this. I literally just spent the last hour getting yelled at and insulted by this man simply because I asked to speak with his boss about him refusing to follow through with his offers/promises
interested in buying only the motion platform. Do you supply that in India?
U really look like the dude from the funeral movie that went up on the roof lol
I can only assume you mean "Death at a Funeral" and that I look like Chris Rock, which I totally get ;)
Any chance of uploading il2 or XP11 raw video to see you go through landings and take offs. I’m really curious on that.
I think that's a really good idea - maybe not raw video but video of all the different flight games showing what each one does on landing take off / etc. - consider it on my to do list!
@@barefootgaming6265 Would be great if you could show different situations in IL-2 and the H6. For me the motion looked strange compared to the gameplay. Please make a video!
hello, just watched your racing video and this with this chair. i just picked up MS Flight Sim 2020 witch will they say they'll add vr support for, and i also have dirt rally 2.0 witch i can use vr with. i was wondering....do you leave the flight controls on while racing, or remove them? seems like it would be kind of a pain to remove and add them back on each time, especially if you end up wanting to jump from one to the other
In a perfect world, it would be either flight OR racing, but I'm in the same boat as you and use it for both. I leave my wheel connected as it gets more use and have it setup to add / remove my HOTAS with velcro to the mounts.
No question it an be very full when getting in and out, but at least the controls themselves can all be hooked up at once without any complications - as you are correct, removing the wheel for flight would be all kinds of a pain in the butt :D
...and as soon as Flight Sim 2020 adds VR I'm looking forward to reviewing it in the H6 (I've been keeping a close eye on the forums, and hopefully the wait won't be TOO long).
Thanks for the question Nick, if there is anything else I can help with just say the word :D
I find it difficult to use the 'extreme' holes due to the platform shaking heavily when I was climbing or diving (pitch) in flight sims (DCS) slowly. Did you happen to experience this at all? Also can you explain the part about raising the platform to not hit the motors? I have the same issue with it hitting as well. Thanks!
I am on it tonight (hopefully!) to try their solution for the not hitting the motors part. As to DCS shaking, I didn't experience that myself, but I may not have been running with the default setting in SimRacing Studio. What I would recommend in your case (with the shaking) is first make sure your SRS software is most up to date, and if you're still experiencing issues reach out to Gilbert direct at SimRacing Studio to get his feedback. He's fantastic to work with and it sounds like it could be a software config issue.
I'll keep you posted on the raising the platform fix though! Making a run to Home Depot tonight to see if I can get this figured out ;)
Barefoot Gaming Any news? My P6’s pedal plate also hit the front left motor. I wound up taking it apart and turning over the center bar that the pedal plate is mounted to, so the pedals are raised for a more Formula One driving position. That means the pedal plate doesn’t hit the motor, but the bottom of the upright steering mount does. I’ve adjusted the arm ends to raise the moving platform but it doesn’t raise it enough.
What has your experience been with raising yours?
Does changing to inner holes of the arms reduce jerkiness in helicopter dims? I have a H6 that is too jerky for me.
How do I know if I have two separate circuits in my house and how would I go about connecting this to both?
I think the best way to explain this is, think about if you've ever flipped a breaker. Too much stuff on one circuit will cause one breaker to flip. This comes with two boxes that each need to be plugged in...and odds are if you plug them into the same outlet they are on the same breaker...each breaker is one circuit. If you want to test it out, plug something into an outlet and flip the breaker for that plug. Then find another plug somewhere that works WHILE that breaker is flipped, then you know it's on another circuit!
Hope that helps Peepeepoopoo224!
@@barefootgaming6265 Thank you very much
@@peepeepoopoo2243 Glad to help any way I can :D
Very helpful
Is there a showroom in the UK that you can test all models.
I want it for dcs world.
Want to test before I purchase
Best bet would be to reach out directly to DOF Reality, as I am but just a Canadian review d00d, and I completely understand why you'd want to test it out in advance. It's a big purchase for sure (although I'm not sure any of the motion sim companies have places to test...fingers crossed they might??)
@@barefootgaming6265 thank you
Any chance on a short DCS review on H6 :-)
I will put it on the list of flight sims to add to the next flight review Gilbert :D
I am planning to buy P3, will that be good for XP11 or MSFS2020 or shall I consider H6..
Good evening Pankaj V, I wish I could be of more help on that front, but I've ONLY tried the H6. The mechanical aspects are for sure similar and I would think the H3 (the P are a professional model, and the H are home series) would be fine, although you'd get less types of motion (3DOF vs 6DOF) I'm certain it would still add like crazy to your experience :D
I bought a P6 in Dec, however I haven't had time to assemble it yet; whats the word on the bar extensions? I am sure I will need them also.
Will they be standard with new unit purchased going forward?
FYI- Barry over at Sim Racing Garage is rumored to be doing a full H6/P6(?) review in the next month.
I've added the two nuts per extension, but haven't had a chance to test it yet as I've moved it up onto a raised platform and had to cut all the data cables to extend them (yes...I am crazy). Hoping to verify by the end of the weekend if it's a full fix and shall keep you posted D R :)
@@barefootgaming6265 Could you share the instructions DOF Reality provided to you? Curious try this myself as I'm having this issue as well with it catching on the motor. Thanks!
@@curtisjackson8118 I wish it would allow me to post a picture here, as I will include it in an upcoming "update" on the H6, but I'll do my best to describe it.
There are two rods and one piston connected to each motor. You'll note there is a nut on each end of two of those rods. What I did is take a M10 nut, and make it so there are TWO nuts (side by side) on each end. What this does is effectively life your entire floating part of the rig up two nuts in height - and you should now miss the motor.
I did this on all of the rods though, not just the ones at the front :)
Let me know if that makes sense Curtis! And keep me posted!
@@barefootgaming6265 Thanks for the instructions! I'm gonna give this a go this weekend.
@@curtisjackson8118 Always glad to help Curtis - keep me posted if it resolves the issue :D
Tried MSFS 2020?
I still haven't actually! I had read there were performance issues with VR in MSFS2020 and was waiting till things got smoothed out, and it fell off my radar. Thank you for the reminder though JR, as I should look back into it :D
How easy is it to get in and out the chair? And what do you mean by 2 circuits?
This is very dependent on the setup....for example if you watch our DOF Reality racing review you'll see there is an "arm" or bar that runs across the front for mounting the wheel to. IF (like myself) you want to be able to switch from racing to flight, it's not easy to get in and out of. I tend to hold the seat while I step on the frame (the frame is very strong and doesn't move at all) and kind of drop into the seat.
If however you're only using it for flight it's really easy to get into as you can approach it from the front instead of the side. Basically the more equipment you have strapped to it the harder it is to get in (but feels more and more like an actual cockpit). Hopefully that makes sense? If you need more clarity let me know and I'm on it.
Two circuits. Again for 110 voltage (for example North America)...two circuits means you can't plug them into the same outlet for sure, and more so, if you were to go to your breaker box and flip that outlet off, you'd want to plug the other black controller box into a circuit that was still on. This CAN be problematic, because in most rooms all the plugs are on the same circuit (you hit the breaker and all the plugs in the room are dead). So they recommend running on two different circuits so as to prevent too much draw on one circuit (all the power running to one breaker) causing your breaker to keep flipping.
I've not tested this myself and run it on a plug that is shared by my computer for example, and the other circuit I'm running on in my basement is running to my sump pump.
Again though, if you need more clarity I'll be glad to give it another try :)
Barefoot Gaming thanks for your detailed reply, things are clear now and i hope you create more videos with the H6, i am planning to order H6 next May! I was reluctant but now after your flight simulator review i’ll go for it. Lets hope that the Pimax 8kx starts shipping soon.
@@boston19801 Oh for sure - more H6 featured videos are coming - and I'm glad to help! I still haven't had a chance to get my hands on any of the Pimax models, but with what I've heard on quality and distortion on previous models...fingers crossed they get that stuff worked out. Wider FOV is absolutely a good thing :D
Just wondering if you're planning on getting a Yaw VR motion sim too? Am just wondering how it compares and would love to see a review of one.
I've actually reached out to YAWVR multiple times through Facebook and through their email and they won't respond...as in at all. I too would be curious to see how they compare but I can't seem to get their attention Harv :s - if you have any ideas I am all ears!
@@barefootgaming6265 Your best bet would be to try and contact them through their discord I think. They're only a small team of employees and I don't think they have any aort of community manager or staff yet. Their discord would be your best bet.
You look and sound a bit like Stamets from Star Trek Discovery.
He probably hears that a lot about me "you know Stamets, you look an awful lot like this super cool crazy awesome and oh so humble UA-cam'r from Barefoot Gaming" ;)
Does this work with warthunder? Anyone that has it, have you tried it?
I've tried it...and War Thunder is a little hit and miss because they didn't program telemetry (the studio that MADE War Thunder) on every plane....for details on the workaround and exactly what has to be set for it to work see here
www.simracingstudio.com/forum/motion-profiles/war-thunder-dof-reality
Hopefully that helps Troy :D
Hi BFG and all. I've got my H6 on the way right now (got a week and a bit left shipping time though still, agony ! 😢) I will be using it with VR BUT i've seen a bunch of vids with rigs using fixed mounted monitors. My question is, having the screens fixed whilst you're bobbing about in the rig....doesn't that like totally kill the immersion?? like you're racing in a car whilst sat on a beachball that's rocking around?
That would be my take on it as well Gray...this is really designed from the beginning for VR (in my personal opinion of course). I guess if you strapped all the monitors to the H6 itself, but the balance would be totally off as would the weight limits within a very short amount of time.
I would NOT recommend this setup in non VR
PS
I hope you enjoy the cr@p out of your sim when it arrives!!
Thanks very much and yes i intend to ! 😄
Great review. I'm thinking of getting one of these for playing Elite Dangerous, and I'm wondering how good is the software integration? Is it just taking information from the joystick, or is SRS picking up more complete telemetry from the game? When you lift off your ship from a dock, do you feel the movement in the heave axis? Six degrees of freedom is great, but if it isn't actually being used, I might go with a less expensive solution.
Heyo William, I can tell you that ALL info is derved from the game itself, not from the joysticks or wheels. The software is made by Sim Racing Studio and yes, you absolutely feel the heave on takeoff. As to level of expense, I've ONLY tried the H6, I'd love to be able to tell you how the H3 or P3 performs in comparison with games like Elite, but I can't speak to that (yet! Bug the DOF guys and let them know you want me to compare them ;) )
If you have any other questions I can help you with though William, I'll be glad to in any way I can!
I don't know if this is helpful, but I upgraded from the h3 to the h6 and I didn't notice as much of a benefit of the h6 in elite dangerous or in DCS. For racing sims, it made a huge difference.
Does it work for DCS world?
This game is a little hit and miss. It seems like programming wise not every plane has geometry output (I honestly don't know why the devs would only program telemetry for SOME planes) but for more details check out Sim Racing Studios page on their profiles for DCS Brads World - hopefully that helps!
www.simracingstudio.com/forum/motion-profiles/digital-combat-simulator-dcs-dof-reality
Wow. Very cool. What will be better for ms flight sim 2020 the H6 or P6?
According to their website - they say the difference between the H6 and P6 is only for the amount it is used (P6 being for commercial use with 12+ hours a day) although I've heard different things from different users. From the source at least, if it's for home use it's the H6 you would want Chris :)
I wish you would have shown how you mounted the horas, particularly the part I can't see too well, the throttle. IMO Did Reality did the most piss poor job of a mounting solution for anything except Vipril sticks. The mounting plates don't match for anything except for it. When o contacted them they basically told me I need to fabricate a solution! Paid over $5500US for the pro version. I shouldn't have to devise a solution. Now it mostly sits because ergonomics is non existent. I feel that I should've gone with the Racing Cube for my flight sim motion platform.
Thats a good point about the HOPTAS setup. I actually did it slightly different than intended as I want it easily removable to swithc between flight / driving. I attached the plates to the bars that support the rods / pistons. It also gives more room to get in and out. I think I'll be putting out another video addressing all the things people have requested and that's a VERY good point for me to cover. Thanks Nona Bizness :)
How you get out of the rig?
HA! That's not a silly question with all the bells and whistles attached. You can step in from either the right or left side, unless you ONLY have a HOTAS setup without a wheel...in which case you can step in from the front (as the bars holding the wheel are not required UNLESS you install a wheel). In MY setup that has both wheel and HOTAS installed, you get in from the side (like a car) just behind where the HOTAS is setup. Hope that helps!
Does this come with a seat😊
It does not - you have to supply your own I'm afraid :)
No, and the seat mounts are terrible. Go for another motion rig brand!
and you didnt use dcs world?
I forgot! So many games and so little time - tell you what though, I'll add it to the list and will do my best to include it in the next flight sim review in this puppy : o
11 month old review.....still kicks the anuses out of all other reviews. YT algorithm wouldn't recognize quality to recommend if a virus came in with a wrench and shat on it in its multiple servers all at the same time
totally made my evening Antichrys - thank you
How much did it cost you in total?
How does it do with War Thunder?
It works alright with some of the planes (aircraft only) but for full details check out this link Billy - hopefully that helps!
www.simracingstudio.com/forum/motion-profiles/war-thunder-dof-reality
Ill 2. Damn sales guys haha
Please do reconsider before buying DOFreality! I went for the H6 and it became the worst buying experience ever
They cheat on prices, withold information and have a terrible customer support!!
There are so many better options if one saves a little bit more money. Quality of the rig? MEEEEEH
Don't purchase it, one of the motors will break while still in warranty and they won't send a replacement...just don't buy it!
Did this happen to you? As I have heard that they are really good (and quick) at sending out any parts under warranty...
The motion is jerky, not smooth. I guess this is a cheap way to make 6DOF.
The motion is actually SUPER smooth when the game calls for it, and only jerky when you crash or hit turbulence. Flip to 1:43 for an example of it moving very smoothly.
The problem with showing lots of smooth movement from a distance is it looks like I'm just sitting in a chair - hence the reason I tried to show both in the review. IF you have any more questions about it though, just let me know and I can clarify Senhsational V - always looking to help :)
*EDIT* I should clarify the flight you're seeing at 1:43 is from X-Plane 11
really this is sucks and cheap graphic is terrible i was in japan i couldn't believe its real everything is real