Welcome! I'm glad you found us. We have a great community here and the channel continues to grow and surpass my expectations. Thank you for being part of that growth and I hope you enjoy the content we have for you.
Awesomeness Mark - I just ordered the P6 model. I'll see you on the racetrack or in the sky for a dog fight! I have some cool mods I'll be doing as well, can't wait to share with you!
@@jvh22a Unfortunately no I don't plan to do a video about the whole build. We spent a large chunk of April putting it together an customizing it and I wanted to focus on the customizations since that is what is unique. I will be doing another video showcasing the peripherals, but that is a little ways off yet. I did find this video which will show you basically how this all goes together, and he even takes the motors apart so much more in depth than we we did there. Hope you enjoy ua-cam.com/video/Ce3kDeZst9c/v-deo.html
I'm glad you like the content Lancer, and I'm sorry in advance for making your wallet bleed! Both VR and the Motion Rig are two of the best purchases I've made in my entire life. I still love playing in them daily when possible!!! Appreciate the comment!
If I found it correctly the 6DOF system is 5000 dollars 😢. It’s still a bit inaccessible for me… but I’m extremely happy to see these set ups appearing and hopefully soon enough we will be able to see more “budget” versions 😅
Yep that is about right. The great thing is you can start with a $1500 H2 and then expand it up to an H6 as your budget allows. Probably not going to see much cheaper options out there anytime soon... Most motion platforms are in the $10,000 range or higher. You can watch my "value" video here if you haven't seen it already. ua-cam.com/video/YD8GFEptuTk/v-deo.html Thanks for stopping by the channel and leaving a comment.
Appreciate you taking the time to watch Adam. Hope you enjoy(ed) the other parts of the series as well. I absolutely love this motion platform, it is a dream come true for me.
I always appreciate when an industry celebrity stops by :) Glad you are enjoying the content and thanks for the comment! This is quite a rabbit hole to go down and I think you will find the SRS Motion Profile Tuning (parts 1 and 2 ua-cam.com/video/pzi8G7T9p7A/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/LSStkqpIX_M/v-deo.html) with me and Jeff Weaver particularly helpful. They are about an hour each, so you will want to pour a beer and settle in... but they have great info that I haven't seen many other places. Appreciate the views VR FLIGHT SIM GUY!!!
Thanks for watching... there is a whole series on the upgrades and things that we have done since this was made ( ua-cam.com/play/PLQLoIjq0cB4fhvYX5i9KSa1FoK1Z87Sn-.html ). Hope you find them informative as well. Appreciate the comment.
I get you!!! I was the same way... One of the best purchases I've ever made. Even the H2 is pretty awesome and a lot cheaper! You can also upgrade it eventually to a H6. And don't forget I have a discount code that will save you 5% and help out the channel too. Hope that helps you get it sooner! Thanks for watching.
@@GYGOtv Oh I want the H6, I am not wasting time with the H2 LOL! If I didn't just spend almost $20,000 saving my dogs life this summer I would already have this. Of course it will get a feature on my channel when I do pull the trigger, I need that write off haha! :D
@@meade916 Tax Write-Off for the Win!!! Good Luck, hope you get it soon! Remember to get it from the flight or heli tab so you get the latest and greatest!
A BIG thank you to all the new subscribers! As a new channel it really helps. This video has only been up for less than 24 hours and I've already doubled (which may not be a big deal to some since I only had 13 to start, but it is a big deal to me). Please know I appreciate every one of you who are willing to take the time to watch my videos! Thanks again!
Hi, I just started a 5-a-month helpful tip for you for very good videos; this is what I think it should be. I have a question, I just put together my new and updated P-6 I cannot find anything that helps me wire it correctly, do you already have a video on this? Thank You, I want the best experience as I can get. I want to fly a helicopter on my rig and then go and get a test flight, I have flown a helicopter with me doing the control 100%, but I wasn't that good :)
Hi, thanks for watching our stuff. Wiring the P6 should be pretty simple and you just have to follow the instructions that DOF Provides here on page 28 docs.google.com/document/d/19JPHNERz48ffyJ1KOr9Xg9BIXNPWKnjqlx9bllXLpbI/edit#heading=h.xfpt22q3vec7 Depending on which configuration you have (look at the back motor orientation, you will see the difference in the diagram). You just plug the correct motor into the correct port on the box and you should be done. This is one of the easiest parts of assembling the rig so I don't expect you will have any issue. Please let me know if I can help more.
@@glennsimms402 Well thank you for the support of the channel thru Patreon! I sent you a quick welcome email yesterday so be sure to respond to it. Hope we get to fly together someday in the simulators, and welcome to the wonderful world of motion!
Here is my video I hope you enjoy it. Please let me know if you like this kind of contend and I'll make more like it. Your comment is one of the reasons I made this video. ua-cam.com/video/9mCNr3tDmJo/v-deo.html
Thanks for the video. I have a P2, thinking selling it and get a H6 and do a similar setup like yours. It would be nice if you can list and link all the equipments on the description.
Well I think you will certainly like the H6! As for all the parts (or at least most) The equipment is linked in the description in my other videos that talk about the specific modifications that were done. You can find those here... ua-cam.com/video/RNk-c88FNtA/v-deo.html here ua-cam.com/video/zlGQ3N_1LAg/v-deo.html and here ua-cam.com/video/rUnc_0pGbzg/v-deo.html some of the links might be old but they should at least give you something to get you started. Thanks for watching and please let me know if you have anything specific you can't find.
really like how you explain move and hpw heave work on H6 . Come here after discover mozza base for flight ( mozza is more Direct drive base wheel) and French hobbyist motionXP in vivatechnology 2024 event . Heydon Hervé create for himself a 6DOF ikea motion platform ( 30 000€ !! ...7 000€ for H6) . His next version should support any ring ( so the track racer 160). For drone , the controller should be the DJI FPV Motion controller instead wellknow radio Controller FrSky Taranis X9D Plus . It seem seem aibus helicopter has implemented one hand controller that replace cyclic, collective,pedal ,throttle for their eVTOL prototype. Really hope more headset /controller ll be available for sim ( boat , airplane, truck, car, F1, rally , glide, ...) lover at lower price with next Sim simulator version ( Flightsimulator , AC, ....) !!
I know, the motion industry is really taking off it seems. Cool sounding stuff you list there, I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the comment and for sharing!
I've been looking at these for a few months now. Thinking of going H3, and then upgrading to H6 later on. Question: All the setup videos show people putting it together, but I haven't found one that shows connecting to the PC. So how does this connect? is it a single usb connection or are there multiple connections? Thanks!
Hi acdiver81, From what I remember the H3 connects with a single USB as it uses a single controller box. The H6 needs two boxes so it is 2 USB cables. You will also need to plug in any peripherals, and I use a powered USB Hub on the rig and plug all that into it. So in the end I have 3 USB cables going to the computer on mine. Also the newer units come a lot more assembled than the old ones did so that should make it easier for you to put together. And just FYI, I'll have a 5% discount code available in our next video that will be releasing on Thursday if that helps too. It is another interview with Igor the DOF Reality CEO. Please let me know if you have any more questions and thanks for watching... I hope our videos helped you in your decision making process.
Great video. Did you have any issue’s with the VR headset and motion sickness? I have no issue’s with coasters but that type of ride gets me every time.
The longer you do it the less it effects your motion sickness. Just stop if you feel sick or dizzy. Took me months to adjust to RUSH the parachute wing suit game. Now I’m in top 3 😎
I'm lucky and very seldom feel any motion sickness. Dogfighting in IL2 when I'm really throwing the plane around will start to get me a little but not too bad. Unfortunately if this type of ride gets you like at amusement parks, it will probably get you on the H6. I have a friend like that and he almost instantly got sick driving in the H6. Of course there is always Dramamine if you really want to try it.
Any chance we could get a video in the future of some common sliders (profiles) you use with your setup in SRS studio for a few MSFS aircraft, say a cessna 172, 152, maybe a few others? Have tried the guides but still end up just settling on the "archer" one and very little motion smoothing on the main slider, at the very least, but i feel it could be better, seeing some live examples could help. :)
Thanks for the question markm75, so I usually link my SRS Settings for whatever vehicle I use in the videos. They can all be found as .jpgs here for you to copy drive.google.com/drive/folders/177Qa29FL75vgmJtJAfCw6iHcx_TBhp69?usp=drive_link Also I don't know if you have watched this or not yet... but Jeff Weaver and I did a 2 part series on tuning in SRS. You can find that here Part 1 ua-cam.com/video/pzi8G7T9p7A/v-deo.html and Part 2 ua-cam.com/video/LSStkqpIX_M/v-deo.html hopefully one of those resources will help.
@@GYGOtv Ah this is perfect thanks, curious though, how did you arrive at the values on the right (max telemetry i think), those numbers are still a mystery to me, i have seen that pt2 video which was good btw, i guess the rest of the sliders you just end up at by trial and error (left to right).
@@markm75So Max Telemetry sets the number that tells the motion to move at its maximum range. A good example is if your platform physically moves to a maximum 10 degrees for example, and you are flying a fighter jet, you can set the max telemetry to say 30 and that would tell the motion platform to max out its 10 degree movement when the jet is roughly at 30 degrees pitch. Basically the lower the number, the quicker the platform will move to the extremes. For example I have Heave set to like 6, because when I land on the ground or the carrier deck, I want it to hit hard. Its a little bit of art and science to get everything where you want it and everyone will have different preferences. Hope that helps answer your question at least a little bit?
Do you happen to have an MSFS profile for the extra 300 by chance that works well? I spent an hour trying to fine tune mine on the h6 sfu and nothing made it smooth (diode mod already done too), often juddering as you make fast turns with the horizon sideways or yaw that almost kicks me out of the chair onto the floor (or maybe sway unsure), tried raising max telemetries, adding in smoothing overall, smoothing individually too, lowering the fine tuning sliders on each like pitch/roll, i think lowering those helped the most but i had to go pretty extreme.
Sorry don't have the "extra 300", not even sure what that is. Juddering with fast turns sounds odd... is it only on that profile and everything else is ok? Almost sounds like a calibration issue or something is coming loose. Try this one I have for the Cessna 152 drive.google.com/file/d/1klXxUvyHORKdIWne6Qs3NJtMgiuFITHK/view?usp=sharing (you can try some of the other ones in the directory too if that doesn't work). Should give you a decent experience on any of the planes. Let me know how that goes and we can work from there.
@@GYGOtv thanks ill try that. Slower aircraft are OK. The extra is a free one in msfs. Highly aerobatic. First time I've tried it on the rig since getting the rig.
@@GYGOtv That was a bit better with your settings. Though i cant recall on the telemetry if the numbers should be high or low for aerobatic aircraft, but this is good enough for now, it mostly doesnt throw me out of the plane haha
@@markm75 Try turning up the Overall Smoothing and see if that helps, maybe try 75 just to see and you can turn it down if that is too much. In general the lower the Max Telemetry, the quicker it moves... numbers are dependent on each game and each aircraft as to the "right" amount.
They actually come highly pre-assembled now, the base is almost ready to go out of the box. Much easier now than when I bought mine. I can just say it is SOOOOO worth it! Thanks for the comment.
@@brent4770The H3 is a great platform, especially for flight but also for racing. Don't forget we have a 5% discount code if you watch our latest DOF videos... hopefully that will help a little too. Thanks for watching.
Since you've had this for about a year now, do you know what the expected upkeep on the rig is? Do you have to oil the actuators or do any kind of maintenance after so many "hours" of use?
Hi Joshua, thanks for the question. So we just changed to the SFU drives from the original. On the original there wasn't much to do, I checked the bolt tightness of the rig about every month or two and that was about it. I was told the SFU gearboxes don't need much maintenance either, silicone spray every 100 hours of use and keep the dust from building up on the screw drives and that's about it. Of course I will continue to check to make sure the bolts stay tight just like before. Pretty low upkeep on the unit so far.
I think you may have shown this in one of your videos, but, how do you get in and out. With my upgraded sfu h6 model, which has a more square base frame for getting in and out, once i just added the two hotas panels on the left and right like you have, i find myself straddling the left one to get in and out on the left (i'm 6'6), im debating removing one of them. One on the left would be the throttle part of hotas thrustmaster and the one on right for a mouse spot.
awesome video! I like how you got the wheel, keyboard, and HOTAS all set up so you don't have to change the hardware configuration based on what you want to do. I take it the mounts for the HOTAS and keyboard were separate from what comes with the motion rig?
Thanks for the compliment. Yes we did a lot of customization on this thing. If you watch my video here (ua-cam.com/video/RNk-c88FNtA/v-deo.html) you will see the "foundation" of the HOTAS system the we custom built using some parts from my Next Level Steering Stand. I learned from using my steering stand that if it wasn't easy and quick for me to setup then I was usually too lazy to actually play if I wanted to do it just casually. The keyboard mounts were just some little aluminum shelves that I found on Amazon. Just FYI, I plan to do "Part 4" of the DOF setup that will talk about all the peripherals and how we got them all working. I just have some other videos on my to do list first before then.
Hi Oscar, thanks for the question. It IS an amazing piece of equipment, especially for the price. We upgraded to the new SFU gearboxes back in May but up until then, no major issues with the unit at all. I think I had one relay stick one time, and I just tapped it and it started working again. Very reliable piece, and if anything does go wrong, Igor at DOF usually takes care of it for you. I'm very happy with my purchase, especially when you compare it to how much other motion sim platforms cost! Hope that answers your question.
I'm curious, do you turn off the individual usb ports for the controller boxes (arduino) after each session, seems the even if the power is off on the boxes, if the pc is on, power is still sent to the arduinos? I guess when the pc sleeps they would go off though. I have the usb hub and the motors on a power switch, but the usb hub has individual on/off buttons, can do both but sortof annoying :)
So i have the h6 sfu version, im using srs studio, i noticed yesterday that when i went to test just the heave axis in the setup / test area, that i only get motion through about 60% of the slider going left or right on the slider. All other axes have motion through the entire length of the slider. I dont recall this before. Do you experience the same thing with this particular axis? I cant find anyone with info on whether its normal or not for some reason. Trying to rule out something physical out of wack.
I just tested mine for you and it looks like I get movement to about -70 to +70 or so. Just look at your arms and see if they look like they are moving close to the floor and up where you would expect them height wise. Don't be over concerned with the numbers in SRS, the test mode might be different now with the SFU's vs. the old gears.
Hi AxelMedia. Ya the chair was a pain with lots of custom fabrication to make it work. You can see the details of that here ua-cam.com/video/RNk-c88FNtA/v-deo.html
@@GYGOtv Thank you for the reply. It was when you were showing the movements especially when you rocked it back I saw the front lift up so it got me quite worried about it being unstable
@@Gh0stPred Na, it is really stable and that was like the most extreme movement. With the newer motors with the longer travel it doesn't raise the front up anymore either (unfortunately because I really liked that feeling on the Catapult launch). Overall the rig feels really solid.
Crap it has been awhile and I think the rigs have changed... I'm pretty sure they were M8 bolts but honestly since you use a nut with them you could probably get away with the Non-Metric size too. Length will depend on the seat and if you use a slider, etc. Hope that helps.
can you offer some suggestions on setting up the SRS software. I've been having a horrible time trying to dial in the settings. I'm not really feeling acceleration or deceleration or jumps when I crest a hill.
Hi James, So there is a lot to tuning the software and a lot of it has to do with personal feel. First I'd recommend you go to www.simracingstudio.com/forum/motion-profiles-1 and see if there are any profiles that fit the games you are playing. They are great starting points that you can then tweak to fit your personal preference. I'll do my best to give you some personal tips here too. So obviously if you are not feeling much movement you want to make sure the "Max Angle" is set to 100 and also play with the boost settings (start with like 30 and adjust from there). For the individual axis you most likely want to put everything at 15 to 20 so you get the most movement out of the motors. The dark grey box next to the slider (Max Telemetry) basically controls how quickly the motors move to their extreme positions and can have a big effect of the feeling of motion for that specific axis. I'll do my best to explain this in the following example. Lets say we have a prop plane and we set the Pitch Slider to 18 and the Max Telemetry (dark grey box) to 45. When we pull back on the stick, the motion simulator tilts the seat back continuously until the plane in the game is say at a 60 degree angle (just an example, might not be that actual number). Everything feels good in the prop plane so we put the same setting in the sim for our Fighter Jet, but in the fighter jet it feels like it is not reacting (aka climbing) as fast as a fighter jet should? If we simply move the Max Telemetry down from 45 say to 20, now the simulator will tilt full back when the jet in the game is at 25 degree angle or so... the overall seat angle will be the same for both but how quickly the simulator moves the seat there is rapidly increased. I hope that makes sense. Basically the lower the Max Telemetry setting, the quicker the movement to maximum motion will happen. Just another example, for Heave I have my max telemetry turned all the way down as low as 6 on some planes so I really feel the runway when I land. Now be careful because turning the setting that low can really jostle you around if there are other times heave comes into play. Again you have to find the balance between what works and what get too bumpy. Also try turning the "Enhanced G-Forces" on and off to see if that makes it feel more like you want it to. If you are not a member of the facebook group dofrealitybuilders, I highly recommend you join it. Jeff Weaver in that group LOVES helping people with all this stuff and would be a great resource to help you more. I hope that all helps and good luck, -Mark
How did you mount both HOTAS and wheel bracket? I did it on my P6, but it involved drilling extra holes. Curious if you found the same or a different solution.
We did A LOT of customization on this thing. Please watch my core build video, If you haven't yet (ua-cam.com/video/RNk-c88FNtA/v-deo.html at 11min 07sec) and see if that shows you what you want to see. Essentially we used some parts from my Next Level Racing Stand and used the Cradle Arms as support for the HOTAS. Hope that answers your question.
Does anyone know if the H6 or P6 is fast enough to be accurate in serious racing? I know some professional races use very simple (but expensive) 3dof systems for that reason - they prioritize quick and precise movements over large ones.
Thanks for the question. You can set the rig up to move however you want. You can set it for smaller movements or go for the full range. You can set the software to be aggressive or mild. That is the beauty of the DOF Rig, you can tailor it to your liking. In the H6, you get a great feeling of racing, especially with the sway smacking you sideways when you sideswipe something. The heave is great for the road texture. Just a great device for racing and flying. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Well I can only speak for myself, so I don't know if you will like it or not... but if you haven't watched my other videos (ua-cam.com/video/YD8GFEptuTk/v-deo.html, ua-cam.com/video/SB2fUxOVwW0/v-deo.html) take a look and hopefully they might give you a better idea if the P6 will meet your expectations. What I can tell you is, that was exactly how I felt before getting my H6... and once I had it up and running it was one of the coolest experiences I've ever had. As a bonus, DCS has some great telemetry built into it for the motion, probably my favorite experience except for maybe Elite Dangerous. If you can tell me what your concerns are, I can try to give you a better idea of how the DOF system works. Let me know how I can help, and thanks for watching my content!
Exactly, and no lines and it doesn't take quarters... although you kind of pay it upfront with the cost of these things. Absolutely love it! Thanks for watching.
was gonna make fun of a logi on a high end motion rig but looks like your manly a flight sim guy so in that case it makes sense. for me cus im a race sim guy it would be the other way good wheel and pedals with logi flight sticks
Well you certainly wouldn't be the first LOL! I actually am very interested in the NEXT VERSION of the Logitech DD Pro Wheel. This first model is too big for the rig, so I'm hoping v.2 is a little more compact. What setup do you run for racing?
@@GYGOtv honestly your gonna be waiting as i doubt they are coming with a new dezine any time soon. they realy did mess up the size of the logi dd the 2ed best part of dds is the small size and logi decided to make the biggest wheel base ever made.
@@GYGOtv my set up ant motion just a asr3 t slot rig maybe one day ill add some sfx100 actuators or get a dof h3. my wheel is a vrs dd, v3 pedals, simjack loadcell handbrake and generic h pat shifter. recantly just added 2 bass shacker wich i dont know how i feel about them yet. (shifter and handbrake are both form ailexpress and there honstly realy good they dont feel out of place on a high end rig)
@@TheRivalryDrifting Nice... Man I bet driving in that thing is awesome. Someday I'll put more effort... i.e. money, into my driving peripherals. Give those Base Shakers a chance, I know I love the haptic feedback from my Buttkicker!
Thanks for the question Brady, Actually there are only 6 arms, the things you are seeing in the center (between the arms) are gas charged struts, similar to what you might see on the back window of an SUV or camper shell that keeps the window up when you open it. If you watch the video closely you will see the cylinder moves up and down on the shaft on those pieces, where the arms are just basically tie rods that don't slide like the struts do. They are there to assist the motors when they are pushing the rig up and also take out the slack in the system to reduce noise. The picture on the website for dof reality is an old version before they added the struts. All the new ones should be like mine. I'm not sure what you are seeing at Sim Racing Garage, if you want to add a link to it I'll take a look and see if I can figure it out.
Welcome Lee, and congrats on the purchase. I use a DX Racer "King" but that is because I'm on the larger side. A lot depends on if you want fixed or movable backrest, are you racing etc? My recommendation would be to join the DOFBuilder's Facebook Group and ask there... lots of friendly people (and I'd assume some tall ones too). That group is invaluable for us DOF Owners. Here is the link facebook.com/groups/1858593921047822 Good Luck!
Hello again I assume you update to the new sfu motors. How are you mitigating the slow speed juddering and stepping. I am using option 3 from Jeff. Have you found settings that help even more? Thx Lee
@@bro977 Hi Lee, I use a Buttkicker 2 which kind of "masks" that stepping sensation with the vibrations. I don't think you can completely get rid of it but I hardly notice it... only when slowly turning.
Does it actually feel like your turning in a real car ? Like does the sim itself has been programmed to make u feel like your turning and braking and accelerating or does it feel like your just moving back abd forth, i want to buy one but not sure its going to implicate what a real car would feel like it. Cheers mate
Hi neverd1e, good question. It does a good job of emulating being in a car EXCEPT you don't have the G force that is pushing you around like in real life. The motion platform itself reads the telemetry from the game for it's movements so the quality of the movement depends on the quality of the programing in the game. PLUS you will also probably be tuning the software that drives the sim (Sim Racing Studios in this case) to get it to feel like you want it to. If you have a good game and spend the time to tweak it just right, it is a very convincing experience... I'd say it feels more like you are driving a real car than it feels like you are playing a video game. One of my favorite experiences is when you hit cracks in the road and get that little bounce just like in real life. Also, "catching air" is pretty cool too. Of course that is also with VR and a force feedback steering wheel, which are a huge additions to the immersion. Hope that answers your question and thanks for watching.
Absolutely you do, and it is a linear movement backwards so very cool. With the SRS Software you can adjust it to be as aggressive or as soft as you want it to be. Really a fantastic rig for racing! Thanks for watching.
Come on VR Ambassador... Everyone knows I look more like Gaben than Bill Gates, just look at comments on my channel. Plus I'm much cooler (but less wealthy) than Bill. Thanks for the comment and the view.
Ya for sure, here is a link for those interested (ua-cam.com/channels/m_IVsEpLjsR-aZIYZF6-_Q.html). That thing is bad ass, of course he had to build it all from scratch so not for those who don't have welding, fabrication skills, etc. You will also note that it has to be bolted to the ground or else it jumps around. But you are right, the motion is far more "energetic". I can say that even the less "energetic" DOF Reality H6 still has a pretty good feel and it still is the most affordable option if you don't want to build everything from scratch by hand IMO.
Yep, works with all kinds of simulators including MSFS2020. Here is a sample of it in action ua-cam.com/video/06rafDVzcEI/v-deo.html Thanks for watching.
There used to be some basic ones on youtube but honestly it isn't all that difficult if you have any mechanical aptitude. The instructions are pretty well written and easy to follow. I'd say the biggest trick we learned was using a ratchet strap to help pull the gas strut down to the control arms. That way a single person can do it by themselves. I've also got a video showcasing all the "mods" we did on our unit which might be helpful to someone doing a new build (ua-cam.com/video/RNk-c88FNtA/v-deo.html). And remember, the facebook group dofrealitybuilders is very supportive and helpful if you run into snags so be sure to sign up over there. Hope that helps, and thanks for watching!
Perfect thank you sir. I finally found an older vid at sim racing studio. I’m converting a h3 to h6 next week. If shipping goes well. Your video made me decide to go to H6. Damm you! I have seen all your videos now and love the mods you have added. I recently added surround sound to my rig as the VR doesn’t produce the spacial channel sounds that are available in most games. I used an external sound card to send optical 5.1 audio to a TV sound bar that comes with a sub and rear speakers. I Also added a second external sound card so I can do buttkickers to FL- FR & RR - LR…. I only have 2 buttkickers currently as front and rear though. They are expensive and 4 seems a bit much plus it’s hard to isolate vibration. Front and rear works pretty good. 🍻Cheers sir and thanks for your fast response.
@@drumbri You are most welcome and thanks for the views. You didn't mention if you are mostly flight or driving? Also, your sound setup sounds like it is amazing. That is exactly something that I would do... very cool. I only have 1 Buttkicker so you already have me beat... Interested to get your opinion on the H6 vs. the H3 so please drop me a new comment when you get all up and running.
@@GYGOtv Was just driving at first. Flat track stuff, assetto corsa - race room - project cars etc. When I found dirt rally 2 I quit driving flat tracks and went crazy doing rally racing. So much more fun and challenging. Then flight sim 2020 came out and I bought the x56 hotas & rudder pedals. Now days I’m learning Elite Dangerous. VR is so amazing. Will let you know how it goes when the H6 gets setup.
@@drumbri Elite Dangerous is probably one of the best experiences in the H6... When you get set up I'll give you my settings. The only real bummer on ED is that there is no movement when you go into hyperdrive... other than that it is excellent!
Hi Shanan, Originally with the H6 I didn't need it... but now with the additional movement from the SFU gearbox upgrade I do have to use it. I tried the virtual tracker but it didn't work very well for me, so we are designing a mount for a Vive wand to use for motion comp. The tricky part is negating the vibrations from the Buttkicker so the screen doesn't shake all the time. Once we finalize our design, I will be doing a video on it so stay tuned. Not sure how long it will take, just depends how the designs work when done, we are on version 2 right now. Thanks for the question.
Wow, talk about good timing. I literally just posted a new video about that exact thing. Look for my latest video as I explain how the H6 compares to other motion sims ua-cam.com/video/YD8GFEptuTk/v-deo.html
Hi Chloe, Thanks for the questions. It varies depending on real life, but I'd say anywhere from zero to probably 5 to 7 hours when I get time on weekends. I can easily spend and hour and a half just on a single flight in MS Flight sim 2020. Have you narrowed down your choices for a motion rig yet?
@@GYGOtv Yes, I am planning to buy the H6, but still searching for parts such as wheels, pedals, etc... also, might hire some electrician to do a rewiring on my room as i dont have an space outlet for a 2200W machine..
@@chloeanne4305 Great to know, Are you mostly flying? If so, please email me with your contact info. I have some things to share with you that aren't necessary ready to say in public. Thanks.
Thanks for the question Bader. Cheaper than most other Motion Platforms but still not cheap. Plus we did a lot of customizing, probably $2000 over the base price. Watch this for more detail if you are interested ua-cam.com/video/YD8GFEptuTk/v-deo.html
Will put it on the list... I will have to install and set it up first, but I hear it is great motion on the H6. I need to get some more racing titles on the channel anyway so great suggestion. Let me get through the upcoming Facebook Connect event first then I'll try to make it a priority for you. Stay tuned and thanks for watching.
@@GYGOtv Awesome. DR2 in VR with 6DOF motion sim is amazing! It took me a while to develop the driving skills needed but you will be consumed by rally style racing. Thank you for your time and talent to bring us great videos.
Thats very unreslistic movements for my taste, u feel in star wars more like a real car. I use njmotion 2dof and simulated heave is best than all that h6. Better motors, faster and robust and with an alluminium chasis.
Appreciate the suggestion, I thought about belts a lot during the build. The problem is I have a lot of people in and out of the rig to try it out, and belts always seem to be a hassle. Someday I might add them, but for now it is doing what I want it to, but yes that would take it to the next level for sure.
I have both the Nj Motion 2DOF, the Nj Motion SV-3 TL, the DOF Reality P3 and the DOF Reality H6. I don't own them - I manage the store that has them on display and resells them in the Bay Area. Sorry to let you down, but you're so far away from the truth it's not even funny. The 2DOF from NJ is an absolute children's play toy when compared to the 6 DOF. It's not even close. There is more difference between the 6DOF and the 2DOF... than there is from the 2DOF and *Not Having One* aka zero, lol. People with 2DOF honestly can't comprehend the amazing realism you can get when the yaw kicks in (traction, if racing) and you're sliding back and forth trying to keep control. It's an absolute dream, and something that 2DOF physically can not achieve. Among about 40 other "feelings" I can make off the top of my head. Your unit is fun, but the H6 6DOF is a machine that is unparalleled by anything with less than 6 degrees of freedom.
@@hrl2k I'm not sure I see the need for 6DOF, myself. Especially the horizontal movement. Now 4DOF with the 4th being heave, hell yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me for both racing and flight. I have no experience, myself, but I feel like I'd prefer to spend the complexity of 6DOF on having 4DOF with heave and much higher angles of pitch, roll, and yaw.
I just found your channel this morning, it is good to meet you sir.
Welcome! I'm glad you found us. We have a great community here and the channel continues to grow and surpass my expectations. Thank you for being part of that growth and I hope you enjoy the content we have for you.
Awesomeness Mark - I just ordered the P6 model. I'll see you on the racetrack or in the sky for a dog fight! I have some cool mods I'll be doing as well, can't wait to share with you!
Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Also very interested to see how you like the P6... got to admit I'm a little jealous!
Would you have a video of setting it up and all the parts used? Basicly for a complete beginner that has only played games on Snes!
@@jvh22a Unfortunately no I don't plan to do a video about the whole build. We spent a large chunk of April putting it together an customizing it and I wanted to focus on the customizations since that is what is unique. I will be doing another video showcasing the peripherals, but that is a little ways off yet. I did find this video which will show you basically how this all goes together, and he even takes the motors apart so much more in depth than we we did there. Hope you enjoy ua-cam.com/video/Ce3kDeZst9c/v-deo.html
Are you using motion compensation? If so how you doing it??
Thanks on the amazing 6DOF explanation!!!
Glad it helped, thanks for visiting GYGO!
Thanks for doing this. I can't wait to put one of these together and your videos will be extremely useful. Cheers!
I'm glad you like the content Lancer, and I'm sorry in advance for making your wallet bleed! Both VR and the Motion Rig are two of the best purchases I've made in my entire life. I still love playing in them daily when possible!!! Appreciate the comment!
If I found it correctly the 6DOF system is 5000 dollars 😢. It’s still a bit inaccessible for me… but I’m extremely happy to see these set ups appearing and hopefully soon enough we will be able to see more “budget” versions 😅
Yep that is about right. The great thing is you can start with a $1500 H2 and then expand it up to an H6 as your budget allows. Probably not going to see much cheaper options out there anytime soon... Most motion platforms are in the $10,000 range or higher. You can watch my "value" video here if you haven't seen it already. ua-cam.com/video/YD8GFEptuTk/v-deo.html Thanks for stopping by the channel and leaving a comment.
Thanks for the time explanations and tips. Really appreciate it.
Appreciate you taking the time to watch Adam. Hope you enjoy(ed) the other parts of the series as well. I absolutely love this motion platform, it is a dream come true for me.
I think you know why I'm here ;) Great video, now for part 2!
I always appreciate when an industry celebrity stops by :) Glad you are enjoying the content and thanks for the comment! This is quite a rabbit hole to go down and I think you will find the SRS Motion Profile Tuning (parts 1 and 2 ua-cam.com/video/pzi8G7T9p7A/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/LSStkqpIX_M/v-deo.html) with me and Jeff Weaver particularly helpful. They are about an hour each, so you will want to pour a beer and settle in... but they have great info that I haven't seen many other places. Appreciate the views VR FLIGHT SIM GUY!!!
@@GYGOtv Cheers mate! I best crack open that beer :)
very nicely explained. hoping to pick it up when i move to my new place
Thanks for watching... there is a whole series on the upgrades and things that we have done since this was made ( ua-cam.com/play/PLQLoIjq0cB4fhvYX5i9KSa1FoK1Z87Sn-.html ). Hope you find them informative as well. Appreciate the comment.
I want one so bad!!! I am determined.
I get you!!! I was the same way... One of the best purchases I've ever made. Even the H2 is pretty awesome and a lot cheaper! You can also upgrade it eventually to a H6. And don't forget I have a discount code that will save you 5% and help out the channel too. Hope that helps you get it sooner! Thanks for watching.
@@GYGOtv Oh I want the H6, I am not wasting time with the H2 LOL! If I didn't just spend almost $20,000 saving my dogs life this summer I would already have this. Of course it will get a feature on my channel when I do pull the trigger, I need that write off haha! :D
@@meade916 Tax Write-Off for the Win!!! Good Luck, hope you get it soon! Remember to get it from the flight or heli tab so you get the latest and greatest!
Great video! I like the breakdown. It looks super fun to use
Oh it is!!! Looks like lots of comments, hope you are enjoying the content!
A BIG thank you to all the new subscribers! As a new channel it really helps. This video has only been up for less than 24 hours and I've already doubled (which may not be a big deal to some since I only had 13 to start, but it is a big deal to me). Please know I appreciate every one of you who are willing to take the time to watch my videos! Thanks again!
Hi, I just started a 5-a-month helpful tip for you for very good videos; this is what I think it should be. I have a question, I just put together my new and updated P-6 I cannot find anything that helps me wire it correctly, do you already have a video on this? Thank You, I want the best experience as I can get. I want to fly a helicopter on my rig and then go and get a test flight, I have flown a helicopter with me doing the control 100%, but I wasn't that good :)
Hi, thanks for watching our stuff. Wiring the P6 should be pretty simple and you just have to follow the instructions that DOF Provides here on page 28 docs.google.com/document/d/19JPHNERz48ffyJ1KOr9Xg9BIXNPWKnjqlx9bllXLpbI/edit#heading=h.xfpt22q3vec7 Depending on which configuration you have (look at the back motor orientation, you will see the difference in the diagram). You just plug the correct motor into the correct port on the box and you should be done. This is one of the easiest parts of assembling the rig so I don't expect you will have any issue. Please let me know if I can help more.
@@GYGOtv Thanks for getting back to me, I will check this out. I am excited, I did see what you and DOF have been doing together.
@@glennsimms402 Well thank you for the support of the channel thru Patreon! I sent you a quick welcome email yesterday so be sure to respond to it. Hope we get to fly together someday in the simulators, and welcome to the wonderful world of motion!
that what so cool! I love to see Fs2020 in that with VR
Here is my video I hope you enjoy it. Please let me know if you like this kind of contend and I'll make more like it. Your comment is one of the reasons I made this video. ua-cam.com/video/9mCNr3tDmJo/v-deo.html
Thanks for the video. I have a P2, thinking selling it and get a H6 and do a similar setup like yours. It would be nice if you can list and link all the equipments on the description.
Well I think you will certainly like the H6! As for all the parts (or at least most) The equipment is linked in the description in my other videos that talk about the specific modifications that were done. You can find those here... ua-cam.com/video/RNk-c88FNtA/v-deo.html here ua-cam.com/video/zlGQ3N_1LAg/v-deo.html and here ua-cam.com/video/rUnc_0pGbzg/v-deo.html some of the links might be old but they should at least give you something to get you started. Thanks for watching and please let me know if you have anything specific you can't find.
really like how you explain move and hpw heave work on H6 . Come here after discover mozza base for flight ( mozza is more Direct drive base wheel) and French hobbyist motionXP in vivatechnology 2024 event . Heydon Hervé create for himself a 6DOF ikea motion platform ( 30 000€ !! ...7 000€ for H6) . His next version should support any ring ( so the track racer 160). For drone , the controller should be the DJI FPV Motion controller instead wellknow radio Controller FrSky Taranis X9D Plus . It seem seem aibus helicopter has implemented one hand controller that replace cyclic, collective,pedal ,throttle for their eVTOL prototype. Really hope more headset /controller ll be available for sim ( boat , airplane, truck, car, F1, rally , glide, ...) lover at lower price with next Sim simulator version ( Flightsimulator , AC, ....) !!
I know, the motion industry is really taking off it seems. Cool sounding stuff you list there, I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the comment and for sharing!
Nice setup
Thanks... One of the best purchases I've ever made. Lots more on the channel if you like this kind of stuff. Thanks for watching!
Nice job! Subscribed
Thanks for the Sub! New channel and it is nice to know I'm at least doing something right... well at least something people like :)
I've been looking at these for a few months now. Thinking of going H3, and then upgrading to H6 later on. Question: All the setup videos show people putting it together, but I haven't found one that shows connecting to the PC. So how does this connect? is it a single usb connection or are there multiple connections? Thanks!
Hi acdiver81, From what I remember the H3 connects with a single USB as it uses a single controller box. The H6 needs two boxes so it is 2 USB cables. You will also need to plug in any peripherals, and I use a powered USB Hub on the rig and plug all that into it. So in the end I have 3 USB cables going to the computer on mine. Also the newer units come a lot more assembled than the old ones did so that should make it easier for you to put together. And just FYI, I'll have a 5% discount code available in our next video that will be releasing on Thursday if that helps too. It is another interview with Igor the DOF Reality CEO. Please let me know if you have any more questions and thanks for watching... I hope our videos helped you in your decision making process.
Great video. What chair is that?
The chair is a DX Racer "King", a little larger than a normal chair... but I like to be comfortable. Thanks for the comment and for watching.
Great video. Did you have any issue’s with the VR headset and motion sickness? I have no issue’s with coasters but that type of ride gets me every time.
The longer you do it the less it effects your motion sickness. Just stop if you feel sick or dizzy. Took me months to adjust to RUSH the parachute wing suit game. Now I’m in top 3 😎
I'm lucky and very seldom feel any motion sickness. Dogfighting in IL2 when I'm really throwing the plane around will start to get me a little but not too bad. Unfortunately if this type of ride gets you like at amusement parks, it will probably get you on the H6. I have a friend like that and he almost instantly got sick driving in the H6. Of course there is always Dramamine if you really want to try it.
Any chance we could get a video in the future of some common sliders (profiles) you use with your setup in SRS studio for a few MSFS aircraft, say a cessna 172, 152, maybe a few others? Have tried the guides but still end up just settling on the "archer" one and very little motion smoothing on the main slider, at the very least, but i feel it could be better, seeing some live examples could help. :)
Thanks for the question markm75, so I usually link my SRS Settings for whatever vehicle I use in the videos. They can all be found as .jpgs here for you to copy drive.google.com/drive/folders/177Qa29FL75vgmJtJAfCw6iHcx_TBhp69?usp=drive_link Also I don't know if you have watched this or not yet... but Jeff Weaver and I did a 2 part series on tuning in SRS. You can find that here Part 1 ua-cam.com/video/pzi8G7T9p7A/v-deo.html and Part 2 ua-cam.com/video/LSStkqpIX_M/v-deo.html hopefully one of those resources will help.
@@GYGOtv Ah this is perfect thanks, curious though, how did you arrive at the values on the right (max telemetry i think), those numbers are still a mystery to me, i have seen that pt2 video which was good btw, i guess the rest of the sliders you just end up at by trial and error (left to right).
@@markm75So Max Telemetry sets the number that tells the motion to move at its maximum range. A good example is if your platform physically moves to a maximum 10 degrees for example, and you are flying a fighter jet, you can set the max telemetry to say 30 and that would tell the motion platform to max out its 10 degree movement when the jet is roughly at 30 degrees pitch. Basically the lower the number, the quicker the platform will move to the extremes. For example I have Heave set to like 6, because when I land on the ground or the carrier deck, I want it to hit hard. Its a little bit of art and science to get everything where you want it and everyone will have different preferences. Hope that helps answer your question at least a little bit?
@@GYGOtv hmm that helps alot. Do we assume the max for the dof h6 sfu is 30 though or a different value
@@GYGOtvcorrection for max degrees do we assume 30 or 40 I firget or is pitch of say 10 defined by the sim
Do you happen to have an MSFS profile for the extra 300 by chance that works well? I spent an hour trying to fine tune mine on the h6 sfu and nothing made it smooth (diode mod already done too), often juddering as you make fast turns with the horizon sideways or yaw that almost kicks me out of the chair onto the floor (or maybe sway unsure), tried raising max telemetries, adding in smoothing overall, smoothing individually too, lowering the fine tuning sliders on each like pitch/roll, i think lowering those helped the most but i had to go pretty extreme.
Sorry don't have the "extra 300", not even sure what that is. Juddering with fast turns sounds odd... is it only on that profile and everything else is ok? Almost sounds like a calibration issue or something is coming loose. Try this one I have for the Cessna 152 drive.google.com/file/d/1klXxUvyHORKdIWne6Qs3NJtMgiuFITHK/view?usp=sharing (you can try some of the other ones in the directory too if that doesn't work). Should give you a decent experience on any of the planes. Let me know how that goes and we can work from there.
@@GYGOtv thanks ill try that. Slower aircraft are OK. The extra is a free one in msfs. Highly aerobatic. First time I've tried it on the rig since getting the rig.
@@GYGOtv That was a bit better with your settings. Though i cant recall on the telemetry if the numbers should be high or low for aerobatic aircraft, but this is good enough for now, it mostly doesnt throw me out of the plane haha
@@markm75 Try turning up the Overall Smoothing and see if that helps, maybe try 75 just to see and you can turn it down if that is too much. In general the lower the Max Telemetry, the quicker it moves... numbers are dependent on each game and each aircraft as to the "right" amount.
I would love to have one, but I'm not patient enough to build one.
They actually come highly pre-assembled now, the base is almost ready to go out of the box. Much easier now than when I bought mine. I can just say it is SOOOOO worth it! Thanks for the comment.
@@GYGOtv Yea I've been eyeing them for over a year now. I'll probably have to start with the H3. I should get my bonus in march. : )
@@brent4770The H3 is a great platform, especially for flight but also for racing. Don't forget we have a 5% discount code if you watch our latest DOF videos... hopefully that will help a little too. Thanks for watching.
@@GYGOtv Great! Thank you!!
Since you've had this for about a year now, do you know what the expected upkeep on the rig is? Do you have to oil the actuators or do any kind of maintenance after so many "hours" of use?
Hi Joshua, thanks for the question. So we just changed to the SFU drives from the original. On the original there wasn't much to do, I checked the bolt tightness of the rig about every month or two and that was about it. I was told the SFU gearboxes don't need much maintenance either, silicone spray every 100 hours of use and keep the dust from building up on the screw drives and that's about it. Of course I will continue to check to make sure the bolts stay tight just like before. Pretty low upkeep on the unit so far.
I think you may have shown this in one of your videos, but, how do you get in and out. With my upgraded sfu h6 model, which has a more square base frame for getting in and out, once i just added the two hotas panels on the left and right like you have, i find myself straddling the left one to get in and out on the left (i'm 6'6), im debating removing one of them. One on the left would be the throttle part of hotas thrustmaster and the one on right for a mouse spot.
Here you go... ua-cam.com/video/RNk-c88FNtA/v-deo.html I just left a little room between the stick and the front stuff, it's a tight fit but it works.
@@GYGOtv ah yes. You modified it somehow. I don't think I can with this frame though. I think I need to just learn it and stick with that method
awesome video! I like how you got the wheel, keyboard, and HOTAS all set up so you don't have to change the hardware configuration based on what you want to do. I take it the mounts for the HOTAS and keyboard were separate from what comes with the motion rig?
Thanks for the compliment. Yes we did a lot of customization on this thing. If you watch my video here (ua-cam.com/video/RNk-c88FNtA/v-deo.html) you will see the "foundation" of the HOTAS system the we custom built using some parts from my Next Level Steering Stand. I learned from using my steering stand that if it wasn't easy and quick for me to setup then I was usually too lazy to actually play if I wanted to do it just casually. The keyboard mounts were just some little aluminum shelves that I found on Amazon. Just FYI, I plan to do "Part 4" of the DOF setup that will talk about all the peripherals and how we got them all working. I just have some other videos on my to do list first before then.
Amazing for the price. After a little over a year how has the build held up? Motors, struts, and connecting hardware?
Hi Oscar, thanks for the question. It IS an amazing piece of equipment, especially for the price. We upgraded to the new SFU gearboxes back in May but up until then, no major issues with the unit at all. I think I had one relay stick one time, and I just tapped it and it started working again. Very reliable piece, and if anything does go wrong, Igor at DOF usually takes care of it for you. I'm very happy with my purchase, especially when you compare it to how much other motion sim platforms cost! Hope that answers your question.
I'm curious, do you turn off the individual usb ports for the controller boxes (arduino) after each session, seems the even if the power is off on the boxes, if the pc is on, power is still sent to the arduinos? I guess when the pc sleeps they would go off though. I have the usb hub and the motors on a power switch, but the usb hub has individual on/off buttons, can do both but sortof annoying :)
Hi Sky, great question. No I just turn off the power and don't worry about the USB. Hasn't been an issue for me. Hope that helps.
@@GYGOtv So no concerns arduino still being on and active in terms of long term wear and tear i guess?
@@markm75 No haven't had any issues yet, I guess it is always a possibility but I haven't had any problems.
So i have the h6 sfu version, im using srs studio, i noticed yesterday that when i went to test just the heave axis in the setup / test area, that i only get motion through about 60% of the slider going left or right on the slider. All other axes have motion through the entire length of the slider. I dont recall this before. Do you experience the same thing with this particular axis? I cant find anyone with info on whether its normal or not for some reason. Trying to rule out something physical out of wack.
I just tested mine for you and it looks like I get movement to about -70 to +70 or so. Just look at your arms and see if they look like they are moving close to the floor and up where you would expect them height wise. Don't be over concerned with the numbers in SRS, the test mode might be different now with the SFU's vs. the old gears.
@@GYGOtv Thanks for confirming, glad it wasnt a hardware glitch this time :)
How'd you attach that chair to your rig? Are the mounting holes near the center? I have a gaming chair I'm trying to mount on mine.
Hi AxelMedia. Ya the chair was a pain with lots of custom fabrication to make it work. You can see the details of that here ua-cam.com/video/RNk-c88FNtA/v-deo.html
I hope there's a way of mounting this properly because I feel this could easily be toppled over...
Been using it for over 3 years now in pretty extreme movements and haven't had a problem yet so I don't think that is a concern.
@@GYGOtv Thank you for the reply. It was when you were showing the movements especially when you rocked it back I saw the front lift up so it got me quite worried about it being unstable
@@Gh0stPred Na, it is really stable and that was like the most extreme movement. With the newer motors with the longer travel it doesn't raise the front up anymore either (unfortunately because I really liked that feeling on the Catapult launch). Overall the rig feels really solid.
Hi Mark, what bolt size do i need to attach the seat the the motion platform please? Thanks again!
Crap it has been awhile and I think the rigs have changed... I'm pretty sure they were M8 bolts but honestly since you use a nut with them you could probably get away with the Non-Metric size too. Length will depend on the seat and if you use a slider, etc. Hope that helps.
@@GYGOtv thanks so much for the reply!
@@willbennett1359 You are welcome, thanks for being such a long time viewer! Hope it helped.
can you offer some suggestions on setting up the SRS software. I've been having a horrible time trying to dial in the settings. I'm not really feeling acceleration or deceleration or jumps when I crest a hill.
Hi James,
So there is a lot to tuning the software and a lot of it has to do with personal feel. First I'd recommend you go to www.simracingstudio.com/forum/motion-profiles-1 and see if there are any profiles that fit the games you are playing. They are great starting points that you can then tweak to fit your personal preference.
I'll do my best to give you some personal tips here too.
So obviously if you are not feeling much movement you want to make sure the "Max Angle" is set to 100 and also play with the boost settings (start with like 30 and adjust from there). For the individual axis you most likely want to put everything at 15 to 20 so you get the most movement out of the motors. The dark grey box next to the slider (Max Telemetry) basically controls how quickly the motors move to their extreme positions and can have a big effect of the feeling of motion for that specific axis.
I'll do my best to explain this in the following example. Lets say we have a prop plane and we set the Pitch Slider to 18 and the Max Telemetry (dark grey box) to 45. When we pull back on the stick, the motion simulator tilts the seat back continuously until the plane in the game is say at a 60 degree angle (just an example, might not be that actual number). Everything feels good in the prop plane so we put the same setting in the sim for our Fighter Jet, but in the fighter jet it feels like it is not reacting (aka climbing) as fast as a fighter jet should? If we simply move the Max Telemetry down from 45 say to 20, now the simulator will tilt full back when the jet in the game is at 25 degree angle or so... the overall seat angle will be the same for both but how quickly the simulator moves the seat there is rapidly increased. I hope that makes sense. Basically the lower the Max Telemetry setting, the quicker the movement to maximum motion will happen.
Just another example, for Heave I have my max telemetry turned all the way down as low as 6 on some planes so I really feel the runway when I land. Now be careful because turning the setting that low can really jostle you around if there are other times heave comes into play. Again you have to find the balance between what works and what get too bumpy.
Also try turning the "Enhanced G-Forces" on and off to see if that makes it feel more like you want it to.
If you are not a member of the facebook group dofrealitybuilders, I highly recommend you join it. Jeff Weaver in that group LOVES helping people with all this stuff and would be a great resource to help you more.
I hope that all helps and good luck,
-Mark
How did you mount both HOTAS and wheel bracket? I did it on my P6, but it involved drilling extra holes. Curious if you found the same or a different solution.
We did A LOT of customization on this thing. Please watch my core build video, If you haven't yet (ua-cam.com/video/RNk-c88FNtA/v-deo.html at 11min 07sec) and see if that shows you what you want to see. Essentially we used some parts from my Next Level Racing Stand and used the Cradle Arms as support for the HOTAS. Hope that answers your question.
Does anyone know if the H6 or P6 is fast enough to be accurate in serious racing? I know some professional races use very simple (but expensive) 3dof systems for that reason - they prioritize quick and precise movements over large ones.
Thanks for the question. You can set the rig up to move however you want. You can set it for smaller movements or go for the full range. You can set the software to be aggressive or mild. That is the beauty of the DOF Rig, you can tailor it to your liking. In the H6, you get a great feeling of racing, especially with the sway smacking you sideways when you sideswipe something. The heave is great for the road texture. Just a great device for racing and flying. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
@@GYGOtv Thanks. What's the movement speed (mm/s)?
I just ordered the DOFReality P6 for DCS and worried I won't like it.
Well I can only speak for myself, so I don't know if you will like it or not... but if you haven't watched my other videos (ua-cam.com/video/YD8GFEptuTk/v-deo.html, ua-cam.com/video/SB2fUxOVwW0/v-deo.html) take a look and hopefully they might give you a better idea if the P6 will meet your expectations. What I can tell you is, that was exactly how I felt before getting my H6... and once I had it up and running it was one of the coolest experiences I've ever had. As a bonus, DCS has some great telemetry built into it for the motion, probably my favorite experience except for maybe Elite Dangerous. If you can tell me what your concerns are, I can try to give you a better idea of how the DOF system works. Let me know how I can help, and thanks for watching my content!
Who needs arcades anymore?! 😛
Exactly, and no lines and it doesn't take quarters... although you kind of pay it upfront with the cost of these things. Absolutely love it! Thanks for watching.
Have an footage of you flying a helicopter in dcs in the h6?
No I haven't flown the Apache yet, but I do have it. I'll see if I can get something going soon for you. Thanks for watching.
@@GYGOtv Thanks for the reply.
@@demdirtyboyz247 No problem... thanks for stopping by the channel!
was gonna make fun of a logi on a high end motion rig but looks like your manly a flight sim guy so in that case it makes sense. for me cus im a race sim guy it would be the other way good wheel and pedals with logi flight sticks
Well you certainly wouldn't be the first LOL! I actually am very interested in the NEXT VERSION of the Logitech DD Pro Wheel. This first model is too big for the rig, so I'm hoping v.2 is a little more compact. What setup do you run for racing?
@@GYGOtv honestly your gonna be waiting as i doubt they are coming with a new dezine any time soon. they realy did mess up the size of the logi dd the 2ed best part of dds is the small size and logi decided to make the biggest wheel base ever made.
@@GYGOtv my set up ant motion just a asr3 t slot rig maybe one day ill add some sfx100 actuators or get a dof h3. my wheel is a vrs dd, v3 pedals, simjack loadcell handbrake and generic h pat shifter. recantly just added 2 bass shacker wich i dont know how i feel about them yet. (shifter and handbrake are both form ailexpress and there honstly realy good they dont feel out of place on a high end rig)
@@TheRivalryDrifting LOL that was what I thought when I saw it... Hey Logitech have you seen the Sim Cube? :)
@@TheRivalryDrifting Nice... Man I bet driving in that thing is awesome. Someday I'll put more effort... i.e. money, into my driving peripherals. Give those Base Shakers a chance, I know I love the haptic feedback from my Buttkicker!
The Sim Racing Garage got one with 18 Arms, the website now shows one with 6 arms, and it looks like you got 9. What are they doing?
Thanks for the question Brady, Actually there are only 6 arms, the things you are seeing in the center (between the arms) are gas charged struts, similar to what you might see on the back window of an SUV or camper shell that keeps the window up when you open it. If you watch the video closely you will see the cylinder moves up and down on the shaft on those pieces, where the arms are just basically tie rods that don't slide like the struts do. They are there to assist the motors when they are pushing the rig up and also take out the slack in the system to reduce noise. The picture on the website for dof reality is an old version before they added the struts. All the new ones should be like mine.
I'm not sure what you are seeing at Sim Racing Garage, if you want to add a link to it I'll take a look and see if I can figure it out.
@@GYGOtv I took another look at the video. idk where I got 18 from but he has 6 arms and 3 struts too
@@TheElvenKeys No problem, hope it all makes sense now. If you have any other questions please let me know.
I just ordered the h6. Can you recommend a good seat for a tall 6'3 person?
Thx Lee
Welcome Lee, and congrats on the purchase. I use a DX Racer "King" but that is because I'm on the larger side. A lot depends on if you want fixed or movable backrest, are you racing etc? My recommendation would be to join the DOFBuilder's Facebook Group and ask there... lots of friendly people (and I'd assume some tall ones too). That group is invaluable for us DOF Owners. Here is the link facebook.com/groups/1858593921047822 Good Luck!
@@GYGOtv
Thanks!!;
Hello again
I assume you update to the new sfu motors. How are you mitigating the slow speed juddering and stepping.
I am using option 3 from Jeff. Have you found settings that help even more?
Thx Lee
I use fs2020 fyi
@@bro977 Hi Lee, I use a Buttkicker 2 which kind of "masks" that stepping sensation with the vibrations. I don't think you can completely get rid of it but I hardly notice it... only when slowly turning.
My wife says we are getting a divorce if I buy one…. 😢
I hate to see marriages fail, and I'm sure you will miss her :) Thanks for stopping by the channel and commenting.
Did you get a divorce? How impressed are you with the DOF? We need an update😅
Hows the dof going bro? Its been a year
Does it actually feel like your turning in a real car ? Like does the sim itself has been programmed to make u feel like your turning and braking and accelerating or does it feel like your just moving back abd forth, i want to buy one but not sure its going to implicate what a real car would feel like it. Cheers mate
Hi neverd1e, good question. It does a good job of emulating being in a car EXCEPT you don't have the G force that is pushing you around like in real life. The motion platform itself reads the telemetry from the game for it's movements so the quality of the movement depends on the quality of the programing in the game. PLUS you will also probably be tuning the software that drives the sim (Sim Racing Studios in this case) to get it to feel like you want it to. If you have a good game and spend the time to tweak it just right, it is a very convincing experience... I'd say it feels more like you are driving a real car than it feels like you are playing a video game. One of my favorite experiences is when you hit cracks in the road and get that little bounce just like in real life. Also, "catching air" is pretty cool too. Of course that is also with VR and a force feedback steering wheel, which are a huge additions to the immersion. Hope that answers your question and thanks for watching.
@@GYGOtv thanks buddy really appreciate your feedback
crazy technologie
Thanks for stopping by and commenting. It's amazing that it is as affordable as it is! It adds so much to simulations.
Do you feel gearshifting in this ?
Absolutely you do, and it is a linear movement backwards so very cool. With the SRS Software you can adjust it to be as aggressive or as soft as you want it to be. Really a fantastic rig for racing! Thanks for watching.
Oh, didn't know Bill Gates is now doing simracing. Cool! ;)
Come on VR Ambassador... Everyone knows I look more like Gaben than Bill Gates, just look at comments on my channel. Plus I'm much cooler (but less wealthy) than Bill. Thanks for the comment and the view.
@@GYGOtv Thats true, you're cooler ;) It was just for fun not against you or so. Keep up the good work. Cheers.
@@vrambassador O I didn't take any offence... my skin is thicker than that! I was just having fun too. Thanks for the comment and reply.
@@GYGOtv Glad to hear that :)
Check out Christopher Knauf's channel to see the 6DOF he built and open-sourced. It's way more energetic than whatever this one is.
Ya for sure, here is a link for those interested (ua-cam.com/channels/m_IVsEpLjsR-aZIYZF6-_Q.html). That thing is bad ass, of course he had to build it all from scratch so not for those who don't have welding, fabrication skills, etc. You will also note that it has to be bolted to the ground or else it jumps around. But you are right, the motion is far more "energetic". I can say that even the less "energetic" DOF Reality H6 still has a pretty good feel and it still is the most affordable option if you don't want to build everything from scratch by hand IMO.
it works with Microsoft Flight Simulator ? thx ..
Yep, works with all kinds of simulators including MSFS2020. Here is a sample of it in action ua-cam.com/video/06rafDVzcEI/v-deo.html Thanks for watching.
Are you aware of any assembly videos for the DOF H6?
There used to be some basic ones on youtube but honestly it isn't all that difficult if you have any mechanical aptitude. The instructions are pretty well written and easy to follow. I'd say the biggest trick we learned was using a ratchet strap to help pull the gas strut down to the control arms. That way a single person can do it by themselves. I've also got a video showcasing all the "mods" we did on our unit which might be helpful to someone doing a new build (ua-cam.com/video/RNk-c88FNtA/v-deo.html). And remember, the facebook group dofrealitybuilders is very supportive and helpful if you run into snags so be sure to sign up over there. Hope that helps, and thanks for watching!
Perfect thank you sir. I finally found an older vid at sim racing studio. I’m converting a h3 to h6 next week. If shipping goes well. Your video made me decide to go to H6. Damm you! I have seen all your videos now and love the mods you have added. I recently added surround sound to my rig as the VR doesn’t produce the spacial channel sounds that are available in most games. I used an external sound card to send optical 5.1 audio to a TV sound bar that comes with a sub and rear speakers. I Also added a second external sound card so I can do buttkickers to FL- FR & RR - LR….
I only have 2 buttkickers currently as front and rear though. They are expensive and 4 seems a bit much plus it’s hard to isolate vibration. Front and rear works pretty good. 🍻Cheers sir and thanks for your fast response.
@@drumbri You are most welcome and thanks for the views. You didn't mention if you are mostly flight or driving? Also, your sound setup sounds like it is amazing. That is exactly something that I would do... very cool. I only have 1 Buttkicker so you already have me beat... Interested to get your opinion on the H6 vs. the H3 so please drop me a new comment when you get all up and running.
@@GYGOtv Was just driving at first. Flat track stuff, assetto corsa - race room - project cars etc. When I found dirt rally 2 I quit driving flat tracks and went crazy doing rally racing. So much more fun and challenging. Then flight sim 2020 came out and I bought the x56 hotas & rudder pedals. Now days I’m learning Elite Dangerous. VR is so amazing. Will let you know how it goes when the H6 gets setup.
@@drumbri Elite Dangerous is probably one of the best experiences in the H6... When you get set up I'll give you my settings. The only real bummer on ED is that there is no movement when you go into hyperdrive... other than that it is excellent!
Are you using motion compensation? If so what ?
Hi Shanan, Originally with the H6 I didn't need it... but now with the additional movement from the SFU gearbox upgrade I do have to use it. I tried the virtual tracker but it didn't work very well for me, so we are designing a mount for a Vive wand to use for motion comp. The tricky part is negating the vibrations from the Buttkicker so the screen doesn't shake all the time. Once we finalize our design, I will be doing a video on it so stay tuned. Not sure how long it will take, just depends how the designs work when done, we are on version 2 right now. Thanks for the question.
Great
I’m looking forward to what you come up with
Just curious about cost?
Wow, talk about good timing. I literally just posted a new video about that exact thing. Look for my latest video as I explain how the H6 compares to other motion sims ua-cam.com/video/YD8GFEptuTk/v-deo.html
What is the maximum hours you use this everyday?
Hi Chloe, Thanks for the questions. It varies depending on real life, but I'd say anywhere from zero to probably 5 to 7 hours when I get time on weekends. I can easily spend and hour and a half just on a single flight in MS Flight sim 2020. Have you narrowed down your choices for a motion rig yet?
@@GYGOtv Yes, I am planning to buy the H6, but still searching for parts such as wheels, pedals, etc... also, might hire some electrician to do a rewiring on my room as i dont have an space outlet for a 2200W machine..
@@chloeanne4305 Great to know, Are you mostly flying? If so, please email me with your contact info. I have some things to share with you that aren't necessary ready to say in public. Thanks.
@@GYGOtv I will use it on racing, :) sure what is your email?
@@chloeanne4305 It's in the description, talk to you soon.
мне кажется что этой шляпе тяжковато такого борова двигать!
Not sure I understand, am I the Hog? Are you calling me fat? O'well thanks for watching anyway.
How much it cost?
Thanks for the question Bader. Cheaper than most other Motion Platforms but still not cheap. Plus we did a lot of customizing, probably $2000 over the base price. Watch this for more detail if you are interested ua-cam.com/video/YD8GFEptuTk/v-deo.html
Dirt rally 2
Will put it on the list... I will have to install and set it up first, but I hear it is great motion on the H6. I need to get some more racing titles on the channel anyway so great suggestion. Let me get through the upcoming Facebook Connect event first then I'll try to make it a priority for you. Stay tuned and thanks for watching.
@@GYGOtv Awesome. DR2 in VR with 6DOF motion sim is amazing! It took me a while to develop the driving skills needed but you will be consumed by rally style racing. Thank you for your time and talent to bring us great videos.
Logitech wheel in a 8000 € simulator, is this a joke video?
Nope, not a joke video. Hope that answer's your question and thanks for watching.
Thats very unreslistic movements for my taste, u feel in star wars more like a real car. I use njmotion 2dof and simulated heave is best than all that h6. Better motors, faster and robust and with an alluminium chasis.
Well you are entitled to your opinion, I obviously made my choice and it is 6 degrees of freedom over 2.
@@GYGOtv u have a logitech wheel my friend in a 8000 dólar unit, we have different opinions for what quality is.
Appreciate the suggestion, I thought about belts a lot during the build. The problem is I have a lot of people in and out of the rig to try it out, and belts always seem to be a hassle. Someday I might add them, but for now it is doing what I want it to, but yes that would take it to the next level for sure.
I have both the Nj Motion 2DOF, the Nj Motion SV-3 TL, the DOF Reality P3 and the DOF Reality H6. I don't own them - I manage the store that has them on display and resells them in the Bay Area.
Sorry to let you down, but you're so far away from the truth it's not even funny. The 2DOF from NJ is an absolute children's play toy when compared to the 6 DOF. It's not even close. There is more difference between the 6DOF and the 2DOF... than there is from the 2DOF and *Not Having One* aka zero, lol.
People with 2DOF honestly can't comprehend the amazing realism you can get when the yaw kicks in (traction, if racing) and you're sliding back and forth trying to keep control. It's an absolute dream, and something that 2DOF physically can not achieve. Among about 40 other "feelings" I can make off the top of my head.
Your unit is fun, but the H6 6DOF is a machine that is unparalleled by anything with less than 6 degrees of freedom.
@@hrl2k I'm not sure I see the need for 6DOF, myself. Especially the horizontal movement. Now 4DOF with the 4th being heave, hell yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me for both racing and flight. I have no experience, myself, but I feel like I'd prefer to spend the complexity of 6DOF on having 4DOF with heave and much higher angles of pitch, roll, and yaw.