Pokemon Black and White Don't Need a Remake (They’re Already Perfect) | Game Studio Spotlight
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- Canipa spotlights the work of Game Freak on Pokemon Black and White and argues that pixel art isn't just a product of tech limitations, but a compelling artform in itself.
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Koichi Ishii on CRT screens for Final Fantasy III - na.finalfantasy.com/topics/176
Gunpei Yokoi on the Game Boy - www.nintendolife.com/news/201...
Ken Sugimori on his inspirations (Full book for more info) - comip.jp/faminetsu/takumi/dot0...
Game Freak on developing for the Game Boy - lavacutcontent.com/sugimori-ma...
Quote from Junichi Masuda on 2D sprites - / 1331996683161333760
More from DrLava - linktr.ee/DrLava
Ken Sugimori on 2D sprites - shmuplations.com/pokemon/
Hironobu Yoshida on 2D sprites - • 【公式】イラストメイキング 第三弾 吉田宏信...
Junichi Masuda on Pokemon Black and White - samagame.com/en/exclusive-pok...
Junichi Masuda on Pokemon Black and White 2 - www.gameinformer.com/b/featur...
Takao Unno on Pokemon Black and White 2 - • 【公式】ゲームフリーク30周年企画「マスダの...
James Turner on his work for Pokemon Black and White - JamesTurner_42/st...
Game Freak on Pokemon X and Y’s 3D sprites - www.polygon.com/2013/10/23/50...
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Yoshinori Kitase on FFVI remaster - kotaku.com/the-future-of-fina...
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Tetris footage (Spikestuff) sourced from - • Game Boy Longplay [157...
Final Fantasy Adventure footage (Waldimart) sourced from - • Game Boy Longplay [062...
The Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening footage (Tsunao) sourced from - • Game Boy Longplay [200...
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Magical Tarurūto-kun footage (Segafan) sourced from - • Mega Drive Longplay [4...
Pulseman footage (T-0815) sourced from - • Mega Drive Longplay [0...
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Kirby’s Dream Land footage (Lemmy556) sourced from - • Game Boy Longplay [022...
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Intro:
Animated by Christian Maize (@CookieficationJ)
Music by Steven Kelly (@Sarifus)
Produced for The Canipa Effect
Anime series and video games featured in this video (chronologically):
Pokemon White
Pokemon White 2
Pokemon Diamond
Pokedex 3D
Pokemon Blue
Final Fantasy III
Tetris
The Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening
Final Fantasy Adventure
Magical Tarurūto-kun
Pulseman
Pokemon Crystal
Pokemon Emerald
Pokemon X
Pokemon Sun
Pokemon Let’s Go, Pikachu!
Pokemon Sword
Pokemon Legends: Arceus
Pokemon Yellow
Pokemon (anime)
Drill Dozer
Grandia
Dragon Quest VII
Pokemon Colosseum
Pokemon Battle Revolution
Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness
Pocket Monsters Stadium
Loop Hero
Kirby’s Dream Land
Final Fantasy VI
Hotline Miami
Shovel Knight
Stardew Valley
Pop Team Epic
Octopath Traveler
Project Triangle Strategy
Returnal
Little Town Hero
Mother 3
Earthworm Jim 3D
Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness
Celeste
Terraria
Music:
00:00 - An Unwavering Heart - Shota Kageyama (Pokemon Masters EX)
01:27 - The Canipa Effect Intro - Steven Kelly
01:41 - Victory Road - Go Ichinose (Pokemon Masters EX)
03:44 - Route 10 - Shota Kageyama (Pokemon Masters EX)
06:57 - Battle! (Elite Four) - Junichi Masuda (Pokemon Masters EX)
10:44 - Farewell - Shota Kageyama (Pokemon Black & White)
11:05 - Battle! N - Junichi Masuda (Pokemon Masters EX)
14:48 - Battle! (Legendary Pokémon) - Junichi Masuda (Pokemon Masters EX)
17:19 - Ending "Onward to Our Own Futures" - Shota Kageyama (Pokemon Black & White)
All footage is used for the purpose of review and is fair use. - Ігри
My dream remake would be a combination of BW + B2W2 where your choices in BW effect parts of the story in B2W2. Also you get to fight your BW trainer at the end of B2W2.
And yes this will never happen but a boy can dream.
RomHacks says hello
I think its more realistic two sets of remakes being sold the same year
That would be amazing.
My dream is something similar to that actually. When you end BW you get like a cut-scene *2 years later* and you jump right into BW2
Not in the current game freak😭
But if it happens , a battle between halbert and Nate
Similar to red vs gold will be nice
Man Im so glad we are in a era where Unova get the recognition it deserves, BW and BW2 were such amazing games
Well they're almost 15 yrs old :3
Its crazy tho how we can define gen 5 now, as in we can see its aesthetic. Fuuuck I love Unova.
Stupid genwunners would not shut up
It took the large quantities of people who were against it to either move from the series or realise they were wrong
Not to be a downer but i feel like it's too late. Yes it's nice there's more people who're seein the greatness of gen 5 but if more people liked it back when it released then there most likely would've been more pokemon games like B&W and B2&W2...
@@marvelous_jack5228 I think that’s not fully true, pokemon would go 3D no matter what, it was being compared to other games so unless we stopped evolving 3D animation, it probably still have went to the samepatb bit that’s just my opinion
Gen V is the literal peak of the entire series and "fans" shitted on them when they released because they couldn't use Charizard for the 14th time
Every game released since BW2 just pales in comparison, honestly.
this is such a tonedeaf comment its insane
@@trashboat10969 all facts, no printer
@@gaius5901 Gen 5ers are just as braindead as Gen 1ers its insane lmao
@@TheRealOmniscient No it's not. It's brutally honest. I remember the backlash these games faced like it happened yesterday. The pokemon fans bullied GF into making shit games, and that is a hill I will die on
If they do a remake of gen 5, they better introduce one of Pokemon's mysterious pokemon yet to appear: The Original Dragon. I would totally be down for that.
Holy fuck yes
That is a fantastic idea that would be extremely satisfying, excite fans worldwide, and be an outstanding marketing point. As a result, it will never happen.
Pokemon Legends: Kyurem
Wait for B3W3 for that to happen
@@ferrets8887 I would really love a game that talks about the original dragon but isn’t Kyurem supposed to be the left over husk? And also what would a complete Kyurem look like? Black Kyurem and White Kyurem fused together would be kind of a lazy design and I think it would be really interesting if it looked completely different from its base design. It would be cool to see back stories about other generations. Actually considering that the unexplored plot from Gen 6 is intriguing I would love to see a game cover the Pokémon war that keeps getting mentioned.
Black and White doesn't need a remake: I think it just needs an HD re-release.
Yes but unfortunately they will make it it 3d
Yes a port would be awesome!
@@octosax1515 true, i hope for the next major anniversary at least, they do some kind of unova legacy collection
this.
@@jakk2631 They won't even try to release that 3D remake in an acceptable state. I think a full blown 3D remake of Gen 5 would be amazing if they put a lot of effort into it.
Pokémon then: “let’s put our love into these games!”
Pokémon now: “it just works”
Explains why they _skip_ certain features.
You wanna know what we need? A good game. GameFreak nowadays only seems to care about money, while cutting contents and shitting on the fans, which is disgusting.
@@robertlupa8273 wdym?
they did care in the 3DS era at least.
@Zanfitto Nah, feels like a Tom Howard reference.
Remaking BW/BW2 with the Octopath HD2D art style would be a match made in heaven. When I first played Octopath, I fell in love with it partially because it reminded me of playing Black and White as a child.
I guess but I digress. That’s just regressing from BDSP
@@lordmonarch2995 Tbh, I’d consider it an improvement.
@@lordmonarch2995 It's a massive improvement on BDSP. Bad 3D art isn't superior to good 2D art just because it's 3D.
This would be the ideal way to Remake BW. Unova wouldn't have the same charm in 3D
I was just thinking the same thing!
The game had the best story, some of the best animations, and one of the BEST soundtracks... It was truly a masterpiece.
Sadly the worst designs as well
@@jufref thank you for stating your SUBJECTIVE insight :)
@@dealuxe_7545 ha
@@jufref you are a perfectionist arent you
Gen 5 may have bad designs but it also had very good designs
@@yazekami4656 true,but most of them were bad.Only good ones from tho If my head are hydreigon,haxorus,reshiram,victini
Gen 5 games really pushed the DS hardware to its limits. I remember going back to gen 4 games, seeing a sprite in battle and think to myself 'now it just looks like a part of a body standing still'. gen 5 had so much life to it, both in the battle animations and the world itself - BW2 had some of the best, most gorgeous locations in pokemon games ever
but brruuhh the battle background, animation and sprites, really downgraded to like 144p for the sake of moving sprites
now they can't even match the battle arenas
They even incorporated real vocals into the soundtrack in BW2. Something they couldn’t even be bothered with in SWSH (looking at the disgusting Piers scene). It’s so sad how game freak/Nintendo execs have pushed money over quality products.
@@wonderfulrose477 RadicalSoda mentioned that too
@@wonderfulrose477 P. O. K. E. M. O-N. Pokemon! (Pokemon)
" _There's an appeal to pixel art that exists outside of just hardware limitations_ "
That's so true. I LOVE pixel art. Even when I was young and even now as much older. It's so tranquil to me and simplistic. I just love pixel art and have much more profound love for even more detailed versions of pixel arts.
Same
It’s so tranquil ;))
Sme, thats why I draw pixelart all the time lmao.
also the fact that's it's totally possible to make pixel art games for the Switch and they still look "good" (look at the HD 2D games). I mean I loved seeing 3D pokemon for the first time in XY, but after a few years something started to feel... off. we could have a beautiful pixel art DP remake but instead we basically got a 3Ded DP game
@@Pao-vo8mf Every game after vanilla Sun & Moon feel like they don't give a shit at all imo.
IF there's a BW remake, my expectations for N's Castle coming out of the ground animation are very high!
YESSS!
Knowing how Gamefreak is nowadays it'll probably just cut to black lol
POV: youre crasher wake but the waterfall crashes your dreams
@@zacharywheat6371 💀💀
The story needs to be extended either with a Legends : Kyrem
Or by creating a 3rd game. Kyrem was once all 3 dragons as one. We have only seen one or the other fused so it’s time to see all of them fused together
Personally I'd like to see a Pokemon legends game that focuses on the lore of the Legendary Trio. (Tao Trio) (Zekrom, Reshiram and Kyurem) If that's somehow possible.
That's honestly a terrifying concept. You get to play as a peasant trying to make ends meet while giant, terrifying dragons scorch the land under the command of greedy nobles - that sounds like something I'd like to play!
@@adampozzobon5193 maybe the starting town would be Lacunosa where the MC would have to hide in their house every night?
Maybe like in Legends Arceus you play as the BW protagonist, who travelled through time. That would explain why they aren't present in B2W2
Maybe things would not be terrifying at the start. You would be able to see the original dragon, which I want to call Origin Kyurem for now, before the inevitable split of this trio. Things get terrifying when Origin Kyurem completely splits, leaving the Kyurem that we know now that can, at present, only fuse with one of the others at a time.
@@jojidubi4 Ooh what if Mc was the one to wake up Kyurem after the meteor??
My first Pokémon game. It made me tear up at the end. The themes, the story, the characters, the world... all just perfect
It must’ve kinda sucked to find out that the other games didn’t focus on story and characters as much
@@boxpin8967 Sun and moon did a decent job but yeah, gen 5 is the peak of pokemon characters and storytelling.
@@-MankoMan i need to play gen 7 only one I never touched.
It will be even more perfect later
it was my first pokemon game.
This video is perfect, great job!
As a Gen 5 enthusiast I'm in the same boat
+1
oh hey JPRPT98
I'm a Unova BB.
Sinnoh 🙌
Same here.
“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” That saying applies to a lot of things, including the Thomas franchise, multiple movies, and other TV shows getting terrible reboots. It also applies to Pokémon. The Gen 5 games are by far my favorites in the franchise. They are all great, not entirely perfect, but in my opinion, they don’t need to be improved upon with remakes. Just let these games be the masterpieces they are. Even though they came out only a few years ago, they are games from a different time in the Pokémon franchise. A time where HM’s still existed and Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection was still a thing (I think). Please, Game Freak. Don’t remake these games. Just let them be.
I want a remake but I don’t think Pokémon Co and GF will allow them to be great! Look at BDSP, it’s awful! However there’s rumors that BDSP was supposed to be like Legends Arceus but Masuda cockblocked Ilca from doing that and used the concept art to make Legends and now GF is taking credit for Legends when the graphics for Legends isn’t even great, it’s good by Pokémon standards but what is Pokémon standards? How high is that? Also don’t forget how Pokémon Co won’t allow delays! Ilca was the ones that pushed for the little Platinum content in the games! BWR can be great! But the stupidity of the fans, the greed of Pokémon Co and the laziness of GF hinders Pokémon! We are in a dark age of Pokémon and I just want it to be over!
I would have been fine if they kept the BW engine and not do full 3D if it meant they could continue with the features and content, because I never thought we needed full 3D if the result were just stiff models, bad textures, and cut content. They could have just kept the games in higher resolution. Gen 5 was definitely something they didn't need to fix, because the sprites were already fully animated.
Honestly I don't want a remake. It's either be horribly done by Gamefreak or have that ILCA to make it. Because 2 mobile games and a app seems reasonable for making a entire game cough cough BDSP
not even GF will remake these games though ( im pretty sure gen 5 will get a remake at this point ) lets see what can ILCA do to maybe replicate GF work on bw/bw2
My guy, they came out almost ten years ago. BW released in 2011, while BW2 released in 2012.
"They came out only a few years ago" Thats something we should think about.
They may not need a remake, but I'd love a port or remaster as the OG cartridges are ridiculously expensive!
600 dollars for a new copy of BW2
@@GilburtTheGreat what the heck? Wow I'm lucky to have one ha
Emulators exist
@@KhanMann66 Fair statement
@@KhanMann66 Not as good as having the games in your hands.
Gen 5 was always best gen, going through the Pokemon Adventures manga has only proven that fact once again
Idk I wa sorta disappointed with the black and white 2 part of the story I wish black was given more to do
@@Mudboy44 Im gonna have to agree with you on that blake and whitley seriously don't have moment like Black throwing Brav to White on the battle subway
I see a fellow man of culture
Gen 7 > gen 5
The BW manga that good? Haven't gotten there yet.
I love gen 5s art. It’s so beautiful, I grew up with gen 4 and gen 5 as a child and all I can say is with the new 3d games, they don’t give off the same feel, these feel more loved.
NOSTALGIA
@@josh-w2030 Idk we should comeback in 15 years and ask what ends up aging better
@@josh-w2030 the 3d games Definitely look worse artistically
@@The_MEMEphis yeah
Canipa: Look, I couldn't get N's voice actor, but this is fine, right?
Me: *actually crying at Professor Oak telling me that I can change the world*
9:50 made me teary eyed. Skyarrow bridge was my favorite part of the entire game, and Everytime I launched the game I would walk, run, and bike up and down the bridge.
Didn't know what to expect when I clicked on the timestamp, but got the biggest grin right after. Skyarrow Bridge honestly encapsulates the effort put into BW/BW2.
My favorite place to hatch eggs.
Black & White and its sequel have some of the best "upbeat attitude" I've ever felt in a turn-based game, gameplay, music and visuals complementing each other perfectly. They were doing the Persona 5 tricks years earlier on underpowered hardware.
Same. I haven't felt this way with other Pokemon games other than Gen. 5. Not saying they're all bad. Not all of them anyway. But they weren't as well polished and flow as the Gen. 5 games were to me.
@@jaretco6423 same, except maybe gen 4. I always felt like gen 4 is really good also.
Spider-Man Can't See. I do like Gen. 4 before. But man. Going back to it now. It's hard for me to replay now. The game is so slow, there's to much HM requirements that are absolutely atrocious, level curve and gaining experience was an slog ( even with the Vs. Seeker ) and while I appreciated the challenge, the difficulty can get pretty obnoxious at the end. Not to say it's bad. For all the gens fault, it does have many good moments that stands out. It's still an pretty solid game and I thank for it getting me back into the Pokemon franchise. But I just personally think Gen. 5 is way better now. But that's just me.
I also want to mention that the music for gen 5 slaps so hard.
why do you think this video was filled with it
@YASH SINGH sorry bro, did it slap you too hard? Cuz that concussion is making you say crazy things
@YASH SINGH Still salty for Gen 5 getting recognition?
@YASH SINGH hahaha I guess the music SLAPPED YOU 😁
Agree, it had the best gym leader theme too... until SWSH came out LOL
But nothing can beat Driftveil theme
Honestly, if their new idea of a remake is just maintaining the game identical but making the game look worse like the crap they're doing with gen 4 I'd prefer they don't even try anything with gen 5 instead of ruining it as well lmao
Starting with the COVID lockdown, I got into making pixel art and IMMEDIATELY wanted to learn how to emulate Pokemon B/W’s style. It just looks so damn good, and I really hope I can one day make stuff that looks comparatively good.
Rooting for you!
The latios/latias fly sequences from OR/AS were a really good example of the developers trying to innovate with 3D. Wonder why that got scrapped in the later gens.
Consistency isn't Gamefreaks strong suite. Why keep the good stuff when you can introduce something that won't stick next game.
@@invisanon Yeah they REALLY aren't consistant, everytime they do something players geniually like, they change it to something more of a annoyance and tedious.
They're Lazy. We used to have different sprites between the two main versions of a generation, now we're on the 3rd gen in a row of the same desaturated grey 3d models. Also they got rid of Mega evolution for an objectively worse version of the same thing in Sword and Shield
@@invisanon Yeah they've learned that they don't really have to try for Pokemon to sell. Actually quite the opposite. They tried something new with B & W and "failed" technically because it sold poorly
Remember when we could cut the grass with cut and it would stay gone? It was an option to avoid mons without repels and was pretty neat
They took it out I'm pretty sure literally 1 gen later
Dreamworld was the coolest extension
Or the pokewalker
Or customization on your Cgear (you could add custom backgrounds like the starters for example)
...is no one gonna talk about how amazing it is that Canipa legit got Professor Oak on here? no? ok then...
No. No one will ever mention this amazing feat. Especially how nonchalant he was about it.
Aww, yess, I know! ;V; That was so cool!
That guy was a voice of my childhood. Looks like we're all going on a feeltrip guys.
My jaw literally DROPPED
its not that amazing, he has a cameo
There was one problem; the leveling system was wack. The combination of that and the fact that so many Unova Pokémon evolve at high levels meant that you could fight every trainer and still reach the E4 with unevolved Pokémon.
And some of those (larvesta) were basically useless until they evolve. Like, I know deino turns into a pseudo-legendary and all, but lvl 50 and 64? Really??
They did give you audinos on every route for easy EXP though atleast. Grinding on normal mons in the wild is a pain if youre not on emulator with speedup
@@Herrkaminkx These audinos r the best thing they could ever did. The only bad thing is that leveling up only through them won't give you a decent type or amount of EV's as if you're grinding on normal mons.
I am so happy that Gen 5 was the first pokemon I ever played, when I was at the electronic store and asked my dad if he can buy me a new game and I choose black 2. That was back in 2015 when I was 9
Still one of my favourite games
The saddest thing about Gen 5’s relative commercial failure is that they could have made for perfect 3DS releases. The battles could have been gorgeous pixel dioramas making full use of the 3DS’s 3D effect.
No they couldn't it would of being rushed
all that would be is just missed potential to be actual 3D games. Seriously the sooner they made the jump to 3D the quicker they can get better and advance the 3D games.
@@Jdudec367 I get that some people would have been upset by that, but we’ve had the same 3D Pokémon models and animations used for almost a decade now, while Gen 5 still looks clean and unique.
@@Smfsableye I know which is lame but my point is they still should have made the jump to 3D at some point but they shouldn't have reused Pokémon models and animations so much.
@@Smfsableye they had to make new models for the Switch, the 3DS graphics weren't as polished
Gen4 was my first pokemon game but Gen 5 has a special place in my heart. The graphics, music, story and new pokemon, it was unique and different and I liked it. It was the first game to be able to move me so much and get me attached. It's perfect the way it is.
Both gen 4 and 5 are fantastic
Yeah. Gen. 5 is the only gen that I fully enjoyed. I do like Gen. 4; more accurately with Platinum. But man. It's hard to replay nowadays because of how slow that gen is.
@@santihjusto gen 4 is unbearably slow tho so nah
@@masonmurphy5402 Diamond and Pearl are, Platinum is fine. Also, with gen 4, we are counting HG/SS which are awesome games.
@@santihjusto Platinum is still kinda slow. Hgss have a horrible level gap. Great games but these things make me dislike them.
After BDSP I’m honestly afraid of what gamefreak would do to gen 5 😐
Actually, BDSP was done by ILCA.
Game Freak didn't touch that one.
Game Freak instead did and released Pokemon Legends: Arceus and Scarlet/Violet.
They stuck to the original games so basically it was the original games over again but way better graphics and much more to do im sure game freak will do better if they re lease b and w 2 for switch
Lets just be glad that gamefreak didn't do bdsp and did PLA.
They should make the remake's graphics like the Let's go Pikachu/Eevee.
I just want a BW remake, idc if its just as bad as BDSP, its BW
The most ironic part was that people were telling me I was supposed to hate these games when I was younger.
I'm so glad people are appreciating Generation V for what it is... A Magnum Opus.
Younger us wanting better mainline 3d pkmn games literally encapsulates the “upgrade, fuck go back” meme. Kinda wish GF stuck with pixel art just a bit longer...
Which is also the main reason why they're finding it hard to adapt in the 3d environment. Just give em time to adapt with 3d and they'll manage to replicate their success like they did back in their sprite days.
@@zebimicio5204 why would anyone want to suffer for several more bad games to have them finally come out with something even a fraction as good as their pixel games?
And that's all on a possibility as well
So far they havent shown anything that hints they're getting it
@@lillith7257 hell, it feels like they're getting it less than before
@@Vixemint they seem to be drifting more and more away from the core that makes a Pokémon game fun.
It’s not even gamefreak making the 3-D assets though. It’s all being outsourced to other companies that have no reason to up their game as they’re more or less contractors. Gamefreak artists just do concept art and the like now. There’s a reason why every game used to have different sprites for each pokemon (even in the same generation) while nowadays they use the same boring, lifeless, models that have been used since the 3-D pokedex app
I remember the internal conflict I had when I learned about team plasma's motivation. Best pokemon story ever
Do you think the games would be better if Ghestis wasn't the token evil?
@@Lightspeeds Oh for certain, it would have defiantly kept in line with the consistent themes of the game.
@@AmberAmour Idk, the theme of the game is that no one way is the right way and Ghetsis being a character attempting to take advantage of people’s belief that one way is right perfectly demonstrates the dangers of such a egocentric outlook. Both Ghetsis and N show two different yet very similar negative consequences to egocentric thinking. Ghetsis shows that people who live that way are easily manipulated by those seeking power and N demonstrates how people who hold on to their beliefs as singular rights can become just as manipulative as those just seeking power. I’d say the biggest problem is that both characters don’t really get explored outside of being those singular aspects which just goes into how generally mediocre the story of the games are.
@@hephsforge9236 The problem is is that those themes get thrown at the last minute, for sake of a “plot twist”. What’s the entire notion of having truth vs ideals if your villain is going to be blatantly the “bad guy”.
bruh what internal conflict they were literally taking away other trainer’s Pokémon
just because there’s a mysterious long-haired handsome(?) anime boy doesn’t mean it’s “deep” and “complex” (granted team plasma *is* a good villain team and one of the better ones but like personally I didn’t feel the internal conflict :/)
Black and white was my Pokémon game I believe I was 8 or 9 when black and white first came out, I’m 18 now and I look back to then my childhood which imo I had the greatest childhood you could possibly have, black and white brings back those memories from the 2012 days and it gets me emotional, as of rn I’m not in a good place mentally and I really haven’t been in 5-6 years when I moved from my childhood area, but this game makes me feel happy yet kinda sad at the same time, beautiful ig.
The last piece of pixel art I've noticed, GameFreak created, were the dancing Totem Pokémon in the credits of UltraSun/UltraMoon. It not only felt nostalgic like in GSC/HGSS, but also made me wanted Pokémon to stay in that art-style, combined with 3D, just like BW & B2W2 were.
I agree that gen 5 doesn’t need a updated remake, and honestly they are one of my favourite generations. When I’m asked about the games flaws, I find it different to name a few that aren’t ‘petty’. Yet if we were to get a remake or remaster of generation 5, I’d like a modernised remaster. The pixel art of gen 5 is so iconic so I think if they remake it, they should stick with the 2d style. As an example, octopath traveler is a gorgeous game and the pixel style is fantastic. They should take gen 5 make the pixel art much more ‘snappy’/ fluent. Add some battle backgrounds and neaten up the 3D textures, perhaps even remake the 3D textures.
they wont go back to 2d 3d is the future and you say bw dotn need remak yes it dos the gprhaic are burly when do cutseen os ues it dos need to be remade
But how are people gonna play bw in the future when copies are barely available
@@ssjgotenks2009 this comment is absolutely hilarious
@@ssjgotenks2009 even if this is the future octopath traveler is a huge game and it's in 2d and this game got a lot of succes.
Agree
Just finished my most recent playthrough of White, and I still think it's by far the best Pokémon game. The gameplay, visuals, music, story, characters, pokémon designs... It delivers in every aspect. Rather than a remake, I'd rather see a third game in the series!
It would be with 3D models though which I think would ruin the magic of what the gen 5 games were.
I miss sprites, especially the gen 5 ones.
I'm playing black rn! It's been like 8 years
I'm in driftveil and just faced Heartbreaker Charles in one of my favorite battle styles
Or an Legend sequel. Whenever Arceus is done & successful.
@@lillith7257 haha literally though heartbreaker Charles is more interesting and memorable than the majority of the characters in the modern games and he's just some random side character whose only purpose is to show you a new mechanic in the game.
Just shows you as well the level of quality in the writing back then compared to how it is now.
@YASH SINGH No I don't hate the modern Pokémon games, in fact I actually like a lot about them - mainly the actual Pokémon introduced, mega evolutions were good etc. I'm just a massive advocate for a good story in Pokémon games, and the modern games felt like a step backwards from gen 5.
Back then I love Gen 5. I still do for it was my first game. Sure there wasn't a Pikachu in one route but I enjoyed the new and exciting pokemons around. As time goes by I didn't get BW2 unfortunately but I still wanted to play pokemon as much as possible. It was quite the craze in my school, especially for us Filipinos. Later on, I heard gen 5 was quite hated and I was so confused as to why. I won't criticize people's opinions but Gen 5 was great gen for what it was. A remake would be cool(and let's be real, there's a good chance they will do it) but just the game by it self is more of a treat for me than having a faithful 3d rendition of the original unlike one game
man it's crazy how these memories are so clear to me in 2022. memories of my kid self playing the original titles, emerald, red, soulsilver, and a bunch of other titles on a purple transparent gameboy. all the way to Black and White on my DSI. and wow... the AMOUNT of hours i had spent on that game was insane. like, i had never been blown and engrossed by a pokemon game at the time. like, ever. 7:55, along with all the spritework is absolutely the reason why i liked running around and using the bicycle so fucking much. i really don't understand how they pulled off such a perfect pokemon game, down to the fucking music as well. everything just comes together like intended, and really immerses you. i also think that was the last pokemon game i had ever played until 2017 (i bought pokken tournament on my wii u that year and loved it.)
i had known about black and white 2 and saw it on TV commercials often, but i never really had any motivation to get it. little kid me thought it would be just the same game, but with a 2 behind it lol. i was not impressed by the title at all. sad fact is, i missed out :T either way, i grew out of pokemon after a banger game so i never complained. my time with the franchise was satisfying and im glad that i dont have to put up with the mediocrity they're releasing now lol.
it's in 2013 where i realized i began growing out of pokemon entirely. in elementary we had a "fun" day of some sorts, where everyone's allowed to take their videogames and board games to school. i saw a kid playing with his 3DS and noticed he was playing pokemon. i asked him what game it was, and he said "pokemon x & y" and i never looked so disinterested in my life. lmao. im surprised the 3D turned me off as a kid. i never had issues with 3D at all but x & y just didnt capture my attention as much as B&W did.
An Octopath Pokemon game is something I wanted since Octopath came out. I'd love to see them come back to the pixel art
Gimmie gimmie, i have always loved pixel art and seeing octopath traveler for the first time just looking at the title screen and listening to the music gives me shivers, i wish i could experince that with pokemon for once.
HD-2D Pokémon with a deeper story like BW/2 had, and then hire Yasunori Nishiki as the composer, and then BOOM.
For reference, he’s the guy that did Octopath’s soundtrack, and helped in One Winged Angel Rebirth for FF7R.
Man I feel awful for hating gen 5 when it first came out, to be fair I was only 12 but seeing how much that has impacted the series I wish it wasn't so. Gave gen 5 a chance years ago and fell in love with the games presentation which just suited the gameplay so well. Glad to see the community slowly coming around to these games though.
Yeah same here. It wasn't until I started getting older and realized the plot is pretty damn good. The team for once had really good ideals that seemed quite realistic. If pokemon existed there would definitely be a group of people that opposed Humans capturing them.
Also I really like playing through new regions using only new Pokemon.
@@Chuwie I agree except for that last point. I understand the appeal, but not including any pokemon from old generations led to 150 pokemon being designed in an unreasonable time frame. If they had've just put tauros and luvdisc in instead of bouffalant and alomola, for example, they would've had more time to develop more interesting designs for klefki, vanillish, etc.
People didn’t hate Gen 5 until the internet told them to.
Sheridan. But that's the point. Black & White 1 was supposed to be all newer Pokemons to full around with until poatgame. If they did bring back older Pokemons into it, than the game would be ruined. Especially since Black & White 1 was supposed to be an reboot.
@@jaretco6423 I really don't see how it would be ruined.
A spotlight well deserved, yet far too late. Though, I guess it's okay. Things will come around, though I miss Pixel Art, and I want to give it a chance. When I actually get motivated to master it.
every time i go back to a 5th gen game i get happy just seeing the amazing pixel art and then later sad when i realize how lifeless the modern games feel honestly i really hope they make a pixel art pokemon game again one day even as a side game just so everyone can see how much better it would look then there 3d games
the modern games are full of life, they just suck
@@SpiteAnims he meant that when we play a 2D games,we fill the gaps with our imagination that makes us believe its the world of pokemon,whereas the more realistic pokemon games became the faker they looked,story and exploration sucked too,2D games are what gave pokemon games life
Broke: Black and White remakes
Woke: Black and White 3
Pls!
What would a Black and White 3 be about? Ghetsis has gone insane, team plasma has completely disbanded and just about every problem in the games has been resolved. Although I like the concept of bw3, I doubt it would match the story of the original 2 or feel like more than just a quick cash grab. Besides, the pokemon company doesn't like gen 5 a lot: out of all the pokemon games, it made the least overall profit because of, just like The Canipa Effect adressed, how unorthodox it was (2d games despite the strive for 3d, the new emphasis on story, etc.), which made a lot of fans misjudge it at the time.
@@Just_A_Husk Well it definitely could feature The Original Dragon (Zekrom, Reshiram and Kyurem as one) and the reappearance of N
Woker: Pokemon Legends: Kyurem
@@Just_A_Husk it could be about the war between the two brothers which would be epic i'd like it to be a bit more mature then the recent games tho
"B2W2 is their magnum opus"
My man!
‘Huh why does N sound a LOT like professor Oak?’
‘OH SNAP IT’S REALLY HIM’
Aww, that message of support from him at the end was so sweet. Great video, never really thought about pixel art like this before!
I never really get the hate about Gen 5
When B/W got released, I enjoyed playing it alot when I was a kid, It wasn't as good as the HG/SS, but it was there, But with the release of B2/W2 The Hype was through the roof and it beats HG/SS for me.
I didn't imagine GameFreak would release a sequel Core Pokemon game, like seriously, all the past Pokemon games before B/W and B2/W2 are always self contained stories
I had so much fun playing Black 2 back in highschool, The story, gameplay and animation was very superb, Theres soooo many contents on these 2 games especially the sequel, So many mysteries and postgame content and the replayability is top tier.
My only problem with B2/W2 is that I never get to meet the past MCs (Black and White) like with HG/SS meeting Red
isn't the Johto games also sequels though?
They need sequels. B3W3 better happen so we can finally see N reunite with Hilda/Hilbert, reunification of original dragon via BW protag & B2W2 protags box art legendaries + im assuming B3W3 protags kyurem, The entire cast older aka Nate/Rosa as champion or Bianca as the regional professor etc.
Sorry, but you forgot Hilbert.
Masters has a good enough reunion between the 2 imo it was really wholesome
That would be too good to be true
OR another Pokémon Legends series, now featuring Kyurem.
Either idea sounds dope.
And The Reveal Of The Original Dragon
Gen 5 from day one
Still remember the day I bought my copy of Black
They came out on my 20th birthday, it was great. Boyfriend and I got home, made nachos and settled into a long 3 day weekend we both took off work for. I was working at a gamestop part time so they understood lmao. Good stuff.
i always thought that gen 4 didn´t need a remake either the graphics are still very playable today even if the games are old
Just started, but this is a fascinating history of pixel art that I never heard about. Makes me all the more interested in it.
Been playing since Gen 1 first hit, then took a bit of a hiatus during most of Gen 4 (now ironically my favorite gen, having gone back to Platinum a little later). But Gen 5 really revitalized my love for Pokemon, probably wouldn't still be begrudgingly hoping GF does better if I didn't see what they had in them with Black and White. The fully realized world, the attention to detail (like N's speech beeps being slightly faster than normal speed), the amazing sprite art, the music, the sheer loads of content. Absolutely agree that they don't need a remake, they just need to be on modern platforms.
They dont need a remake, but I would like an HD remaster to fit current consoles just to see it in all its pixelated and low poly glory (with an option to revert it back too like how alot of remasters allow nowadays) but thats asking for something too unlikely and stuff I feel
Right, if the fans want it, you can guarantee they won’t make it
I would like an sequel to the Legend series. But with Unova backstory and the tales of the 3 Tao Dragons.
Honestly I do wish we got full bodied pixel characters that look like Octopath Traveller though, or at least a bit chibi like Gen 6.
But many people were fine without BDSP remakes and wanted HD remasters. That's what everyones calling BDSP, remasters! But these games are called remakes for a reason. Because it's way more than just remasters.
thats like buying too games in one.probably double for the price
I remember seeing black and white gameplay as a kid and being so excited seeing all the pokemon moving. I literally spent days watching let's plays in youtube just to see those moving pixel art. Truly an amazing era.
Almost nobody knows, but I will said it:
Black & White (and it's sequels) needs a third part:
Black 3 & White 3
Gen 5 really was amazing all around, showing how far the team had come in everything. While Pokemon is bound to still keep moving forward with their current direction, it'd be nice if we could get some side games that retained the pixel art form, allowing for more creative freedom since they are not mainline. I'd love to see a B3W3 done like this.
I would love if they made a conquest 2 and improved on the art style from the original cause it was so well done. And like you said it being a side game they would have a lot of creative freedom
I agree that b3w3 would be amazing. since b2w2 are sequels and not enhanced versions I think it’s kind of weird if they only remade bw1. I think they should go with bw3 with the original kyurem that was once one pokemon with reshiram and zekrom
I was so excited when BW released. I remember getting out of school and immediately wanting to go to GameStop to pick up my copy. I played it almost non stop, and when the sequels released, you bet your ass I was there to pick it up in a heartbeat. Gen 5 has a special place in my heart to this day
7:20
There was 1 part of hardware that was improved that they took massive advantage of and that is increased cartridge size. BW has 4 times the size of DP.
no way 😭 i read the first half of your title “Pokemon Black and White Don’t Need a Remake” and said to myself exactly this,
“yeah sure they’re already perfect but i’d like to play them again” and clicked on your video to see your title say the same thing (they’re already perfect)
SUPER good video, refreshing to see something well-made that highlights the 2D pixel art but doesn't obsessively shit over the future 3D games with a real respect to GF
"I like Sun and Moon. X and Y happened too" lmfao
Gen 6 really was the most "yeah I guess that did happen" gen. But I appreciate the style of it and how they tried to more faithfully replicate the chibi character design and grid-based game world in 3D.
It does have a lot to like but it feels like you're on autopilot playing it because it's so hand holdy. S&M has that problem too but the map and characters are much more enjoyable imo
I occasionally see pictures of the X and Y rivals and I genuinely forget what game they're from. One time I guessed Harmoknight.
@@TheCanipaEffect they'd be easier to remember if there weren't five of them
@@icky_sticky_mars Or if they had dynamic characters like Cheren and Bianca, or even the Alolan gang.
Still, having a BW2 remake would be nice as i get to see my girl Rosa in 3D again, with some additions to her personality like what Masters did. Such a precious girl
Yes, but... In exchange, the world will be more dull and lifeless than ever, and the exp share will be automatic. Hm. Maybe then people will stop whining about the pokemon taking eons to evolve?
Nevermind. Let it happen.
I played through this game for the first time recently, and it made me truly appreciate what we used to have.
Been playing since red/blue and no other Pokémon game even came close to the quality of the gen 5 games.
It was the true peak of the franchise.
I remember as a kid playing Black/Black 2 as a kid and thinking that I'd never be able to get over how it looked, and with recent games I really miss pixel art from big companies. Sadly, it'll probably be stuck to indies for the most part.
Maybe the awful Diamond/Pearl remakes will do poorly and then for B/W they decide to take a risk and go back to pixel art? Or maybe I'm just being too optimistic for a cast of nearly 1000 unique pokemon.
unfortunately Pokemon will never sell poorly because it's Pokemon and no matter how bad they make a game it will sell millions
I remember seeing my Pokemon just *moving* in Black and White for the first and it blew my mind, I love these games so much
The fifth generation has great music and stories. That's why I want you to make a new remake. I want to adventure in 3D, which is no longer an orchestral music or pixel art.
I was expecting a video simply praising Gen 5 for being good, and while it did that, I also got an informative video overview of the design philosophies and talent that was driving Game Freak for years. Nice work!
9:22 "And Pokemon X and Y also happened"
Nice low key roast on pokemon XY
I envy anyone who enjoys XY without understanding why it's a such a disappointment coming from what came before. As an RPG it's alright. As a Pokemon game walking in the room after BW2 it's an absolute joke.
@@invisanon I like Pokemon X and Y. And what you said about it is true.
@@invisanon Honestly, if the game isn't just me being One sweep man it could have been better.
XY were good games! They weren't bad.
@@Jdudec367 I agree with that statement completely.
They really should reuse this artstyle in order to have more content and great quality game
Pokémon Black and Black 2 were some of my first pkmn games. Still remember them dearly and replaying B2 to this day. Idk what it is, but there's something about these games that's just so special; the sprites, the battles, the graphics, the story... Even Pokewood was a great part of the game, not obligatory, but very entertaining.
Sad thing is, BW do need a remake bc they're only playable on rly old consoles and the games aren't completable bc all the online shit is cut off so like
You can't even get the whole experience now
Right. Berries were an afterthought this gen. Elemental Stones are so tedious to come by too.
They're playable on 3DS systems but I understand the online part.
I was about to get a copy because I lost my old one, but does missing online features really affect the gameplay?
@@hitkid2456 Berries? Nah B2W2 gave you like a berry after what felt like 40% of the trainer fights lol
How about instead of the remake, why not make an HD port or remastered of them? Or better yet? Make an Legend sequel, but with Unova.
If Canipa is so good, why is there no Canipa 2 ?
> 10:18
.. Touché.
As someone who fell out of Pkmn after Gen3, I am actually kinda interested in B/W now. Damn.
I love how after screaming for Gen4 Remakes many are now scared for what could happen with Gen 5.
@bruh moment Yeah cause it was made on a fucking game boy advanced not on a switch
Love the video! I feel the same way about the mystery dungeon games as well - the first two games, especially explorers of sky, have something very special about both the pixel art style and the animation that the 3D ones just can't convey. I appreciate them keeping the sound effects, music and other small details for the rescue games remake, but the new art style just can't compare imo.
Not a remake, but a legends kind of game with the three dragons fused or a bw3.
An Legend sequel would be nice. I would to play as N and see how he became the king of all Unova and the story behind the 3 Tao Dragons.
I feel this, I haven't thought about gen 5 for years but it was my favourite Pokemon experience. I might have to try the sequel now.
I highly recommend the sequels. I replay them every chance I get
I highly recommend you play the sequels after replaying the first
To refresh yourself
They link in more ways than one (no seriously I would definitely do the memory link stuff)
8:59 I think the fisrt cutscenes to include pokemon 3D models are the ones in hg/ss, the moment they got to bell tower/whirl islands
That said we can say it was testing ground for BW... That Ho-oh cutscene was something else
i don't want remakes, but i would absolutely ADORE ports for the Switch. like a Black + Black2 Collection and White + White2 Collection. i'd pay $60 for that. even if there's no new content.
I 100% agree that BW and BW2 are perfect and beautiful games as they are! They have such a special place in my heart. But I also really want to visit Unova again with fresh eyes and a new story so I can fall in love with it all over again.
Oh this was an excellent video. Haven't seen your stuff before, but got some more insight into the inner going ons and develoers @ gamefreak.
Also, i've been developing games for a solid 4 years at this point. And i have had plans to make an rpg of sorts in the style of the DS pokémon games. Mostly DPPt, but they are actually set in a 3D enviroment. Been sudying what makes the artistic style of DPPt, what it is.
Also, from what i have seen of trends in the indie scene, im confident that DS style graphics will have a burst of popularity sometime in the future, like with the PS1 graphics craze rn, that seems to be establishing itself as an artistic style like how pixelart has.
DS pokémon graphics need more love
We dont need the remake but I really want one since B/W was my favorite. I just hope they don't skip B/W and move to its sequel.
well personally i kinda wanted a remake of black and white where u can either go thought one side of region or another or just be to get one gym badge in humilau city then icirrus city but seeing how the games been so far ya they been fun to me but ill just stick to a re-masted of these games
I have no clue how the hell you got in contact with Stuart Zagnit, but I nearly flipped when I immediately picked out his voice.
Read the description on how they got him.
@@1685Violin Yeah, I feel like I'm one of the few that actually uses Cameo.com for actual cameos.
My dream gen 5 remakes would be a collection like black and black 2
And another collection with the whites and in both there would be pokemon gray or pokemon legends kyurem (i need the og dragon)
It would be really cool if gamefreak mixes bw and bw2.
Like the story is bw's story and added bw2 content and maybe make the protagonist different in each pokemon versions like in black you play as hilda and hilbert while in white you play as rosa and nate.
13:58 "Square enix is showing signs of understanding" I'll believe that when cactuars fly
Man, I want to thank you for introducing me to Grandia. I played it after you shouted it out, and it became my favorite game of all time.
As my first Pokémon game, I can say without bias that THIS is the best game in the series. Amazing sprite work, fluid gameplay on the new DS, revamped and redone mechanics that brought new life into the games, and a roster of unforgettable new Pokémon that will most likely stick with me throughout my whole life. It’s crazy to think there were and still are critics of this generation and it’s games.
Oh buddy, you really just said EXACTLY what I've been thinking for so long now!! Seeing them do a Pokemon game in the Octopath style has literally been a dream of mine ever since that Pokemon trailer dropped (seen at 16:26) and I realized they could totally pull it off. I'm still gonna hold out hope that we'll see something like that one day, even if it's in a fangame or something.
pokemon black and white was my introduction to the pokemon game series at age 6! it was my favorite game for years and I still love it dearly
While I don't mind the new art direction, the sprite art progression/direction made pokemon so cool and expressive. I really do miss it and I don't see why the direction really went 3d.
Pokemon black and white was my first ever pokemon game. I remember I basically had to speed run the game since you can only have one save file and my brother got the file first.
I am quite glad people are starting to give this gen the love it deserves.
lmao, your brother did that to you too?
My last Pokemon game was Soul Silver, the one _just before_ Black and White 😭
I'd kill to have a Switch port of that game, not even a remake or anything.
Actually, Platinum Was The Game Released Before B/W
@@ZimVerse I mean, n-no... I was there, but also a quick google search can give you the same answer.
I hadn't put much thought into the value of pixel art before, so I really appreciated hearing your perspective! A part of me still yearns for a BW remake, since it would also likely spark even more appreciation and content for Gen 5 in the fandom, but you make a good point on the downsides of that in an artistic sense
It makes me so happy to see people appreciating these games. They're my favourite pokémon games to date, and that isn't nostalgia based (They were actually some of the last pokémon games I played). Awesome video!
Gen V may not be my absolute favorite (I'm just too biased toward Gen IV and to a lesser extent III, the generations of my elementary school years, sorry) but I will say that Black and White were the first and only Pokemon games to blow my mind with the graphics. Nothing Pokemon related in the decade since has made me feel that way, which is a shame. A return to 2D would be amazing.
I used to think like that
Gen 4 gave me my favorite pokemon
My favorite legendary
Many good moments and plenty to do
But after forcing myself to let go of nostalgia and look back on the games in comparison
Black and white/2 blow gen 4 out of the water
Side games are debatable tho
I always liked Gen. 4 more as well. But after replaying Gen. 5 so many times and went back on playing Platinum again, the glaring effects of that Gen holds me back on replaying it sometimes. From how slow the game was, through so much HM requirements and while I appreciated the challenge, the difficulty spikes does get an little but obnoxious at the end of the Pokemon League. Also while I do like the new evolution; especially for older Pokemon that needed some buffs, there are so many ridiculous evolution gimmick that is kinda dreadful and overboard with the way they evolved the Pokemon. Still, I respect Gen. 4 for what it does to the franchise and while it ain't my favorite Pokémon game anymore, it's still solid to at least give it alot of appreciations for getting people back into the series.
@@lillith7257 gen 5 is superior, but that doesn’t mean gen 4 is horrible. It’s still a really great game, and deserves all the love it gets.
AAAAAAHHHH, the OST you used at the start!!! I love it so much!
Thank you for this video, it brought back so so many memories of my favourite Pokemon games (BW and B2W2). Although there are tracks from the other games that are on my list of favourite music, in terms of overall soundtrack this series tops all of them for me. And in terms, of story, this one is by far my favourite. So really, thank you. Made me tear up a bit seeing these improved cuts and knowing we probably won't get anything like it again. But might as well just enjoy what we're getting now.
Also, this easily had the best antagonist for the game and manga. N was such an enigma, with a dream that actually made you question who was right.