What Games Were Considered the GOAT Back in 2003?
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- Опубліковано 14 бер 2024
- Clarification: I said the FF series used ATB for years until FFXV went Real time. That is only partially true. There were some games in between FFIV and FFXV that used other battle systems.
Today I wanted to talk about an IGN 2003 Best games of All Time List
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IGN - Top 100 Games of All Time List (2003)
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The Simpsons Hit & Run, Castlevania Symphony of the Night, Star Wars Battlefront 2, LEGO Star Wars 2,
Zelda A Link to the Past, Tetris 64, Tetris NES, Zelda Ocarina of Time, Dark Souls
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NHL 94
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Chrono Trigger
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Final Fantasy 7
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X-COM UFO Defense
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you should definitely do more of these, It’s so interesting to see perspectives on gaming from back then
A couple of years ago, ea sports re-released nhl94, but they gave it the modern teams and players. It's called nhl 94 rewind for anyone who wants to look it up.
I did hear about that. That's actually really cool, and I would love it if more sports series did a similar thing.
Me listening to 16 minutes of video games that came out before about half of the viewers were born:
This list was terrible tbh where was ff7,Tomb raider,super Mario world or Metal gear solid and why is SMk here but not Mk64 L list not to mention the super Mario bros being number 1
@@MadPaperMariocause the video is for 2003, lol
(Oh that’s what they meant by 2003. I thought the video was about 2003 games)
@@MadPaperMariothat list is older now than all those games were when that list was released a lot of those games probably weren't considered contenders yet since they were pretty recent and haven't seen the impact they would have on game design going forward quite yet
@@acesamm there were many bette games by 2003 that could’ve been listed like kingdom hearts or super Mario bros 3 or the games I mentioned in my comment above you act like there was a big lack of great all time games by 2003
@@Smarties. FF7 and Mario kart were in 1997 and Metal gear in 1998 in 97 goldeneye was released and ocarina of time in 98 so that doesn’t work
3:10 the term Metroidvania didn't catch on until later in the latter half of the 2000s/early 2010s. Back then they specifically referred to the Castlevania games that took after Metroid, thus Metroidvania. It was only after that that people used it to describe all Metroid-like Exploratory Action-Platformers, and only really in english-speaking circles. In Japan they call them Tansaku Action, 探索アクション, meaning Explore/Search Action.
This makes sense. I didn't hear it till around '06 or so, but that's when I started being actively online, so I'm not sure if I would've even heard it before then.
Even in 2002, putting FF4 over FF6, and especially putting Super Mario Kart over 64 was an unpopular pick. Mario kart 64 overshadowed Super to the point that no one even talked about it, and some didn't know it existed. 64 became the staple at parties and hangouts. You'll find 64 on most lists from the time, but no one was playing Super Mario Kart in 2002, trust me.
Can confirm. NHL 94 was peak. My dad played it constantly, and it taught me how to read!
Not pronounce. I pronounced 'campaign' as 'cam-pay-gin' for a few years. Big Zap Brannigan mood.
Jesus Christ… Super Mario World at 28?
Sonic the Hedgehog at 90? Sonic 2 and 3 aren’t even in there.
Banjo-Kazooie ISNT EVEN IN the top 100 while Conkers Bad Fur Day IS.
not gonna lie even tough Super Mario was revolutionary it clearly didn't deserved top 1.
>IGN
Well Ign always didn't like the sonic games that much
I didn’t grow up playing N64 Goldeneye, but I’m the right age. It makes soooo much sense to me that a 2003 IGN employee put it that high on the list. That person probably spent all of high school playing multiplayer Goldeneye with their friends. It was just baked into gamer culture of the time.
when chrono trigger is mentioned i feel a shiver go through my spine. that game has a magic to it, timeless
Oh shit Italian job is about to come out!
The ad looked so modern that I thought they legit were making a new one. And I didn't even know Marky Mark or charlize theron were in the old one even though I saw it as a kid
Influence alone makes sense for most of these. GTA 3, Mario, Tetris, Zelda, Super Metroid, all set standards for entire genres.
Don’t forget about half life
Great concept for a video! The term “Metroidvania” was coined (and especially popularised) a lot more recently btw.
Thanks! Yeah, I started hearing the term a lot more as time went on.
The top 20 wasn't bad. They picked a lot of bona fide classics that are still on GOAT lists today.
As someone who never played NHL 94 or never knew about it legacy or love before the documentary, the documentary is so good!!!
It would be awesome to have more videos on older GOAT lists!
There are some GOAT lists from before the year 2000, which I find would be really interesting to check out.
11:28 I love the first Zelda precisely because there's no handholding. I fucking hate the handholding NPCs. They feel like babysitters. I love how in the first Zelda it really feels like you're going on an adventure on your own into the unknown. It heightens the excitement not knowing what you'll find as you explore.
I definitely got stuck and wouldn't have figured out the entrance to dungeon 7 or how to kill Gannon on my own without a FAQ, but I'm ok with that trade-off.
Also Miyamoto intended for kids to trade discoveries as they played, in place of having a guide built into the game. It's nice to have that variety in the series at the very least.
I personally thought A Link to The Past was too tedious and too long. I liked Link's Awakening DX much more since it was quirky, short and sweet.
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I think Zelda 1 is a really interesting game. Definitely not everyone's cup of tea, but I respect how open-ended it is. Handholding is definitely an issue that a lot of Nintendo games struggled with.
nice video idea, and well done!
NHL 94 is still great today.
The mechanics are fun to learn for sure. Still has the "one more game" addictive quality.
I like using the weight bug fix rom hack so heavy players can knock over light players as physics would work in the real world.
I recommend people watch the NHL 94 tutorials on UA-cam to get the most out of playing NHL 94. Dantml is a good channel for NHL 94 tutorials.
doom, final fantasy vii, metal gear solid, gta vice city, simcity, the sims
I'm happy they put Super Metroid in top 3 :^)
Oh wow, this list takes me back. I remember reading this list in high school back in...I want to say 2004 was when I finally got around to reading it. Definitely before 2005. Some of these are just "yeah, that makes sense." GTA3 was a phenomenon along with Street Fighter 2. Gta3 was so controversial, with Jack Thompson insisting on it being banned to protect children. Now, GTA went through the same thing Simpsons and South Park did. Controversial to just being seen as regular. Yeah, I remember when Simpsons was controversial, with Bart Simpson in particular, with his adversarial rebel nature to authority. 90s-2000s was a different time.
I loved these videos while remembering my sweet childhood ❤
This was a great video! 👏👏👏
This thumbnail was so good!
What a fun video!! As a big and long time final fantasy fan I can tell you that the author of this list is very likely a Gen Xr. See, I clearly remember the discourse around final fantasy in the early 2000s. For one, there was a minor split between those who considered FF4 or FF6 the greatest in the franchise with in my view being those who loved FF4 where Gen x and those who loved FF6 were millennials. Then there was an even greater divide between those who thought FF7 was either the greatest FF game if not the greatest video game ever made and a portion of the FF fandom who loathed it. That portion has died down. similar to the backlash against the Sam reimi spider-man films, the Star Wars prequels, etc. It seems that with time these things have a way of being forgotten. But it doesn’t surprise me that someone who considers FF4 the best FF also didn’t like FF7 enough to include it on a top 100 list.
Megaman Battle Network 3 is such a GOAT
HOW IS HALF-LIFE NOT HERE
I would love to see another Goat list
I like Mario and Luigi super star saga :)
Goat rpg ☝️
@@darthvaderbnPaper Mario is way better
Good take (even if it came out after this list)
Bowser’s inside story is better.
So awesome to see Super Metroid so high on the list and being the #1 SNES game. I really do see Super Metroid as the greatest SNES game of all time. Disappointed that Goldeneye made the top 20 but it's far better spiritual successor Perfect Dark didn't.
Sonic 3 and Knuckles anyone?
That hockey game being thrown in was so random lol
As someone born in '88, it absolutely is not.
@@Rodanguirus maybe I'm just a little too young lol. I started with the 64 era
Yeah, you too young white boy
Yup EA NHL sega and Nintendo 90 series is DEFINITELY beloved by hockey fans! One undeniable factor that the games have revelance with hockey fans still is the modern 2023 NHL roster hack that can be found on the internet. He'll I'm not even a hockey fan myself and I often miss the gameplay of NHL 94
not a bad list but i am telling back in 2003 a lot of people focussed too much on graphics compared to now. i used to read articles that said proper gaming didn't start until 1995 and the game boy advance is not a real games console .
Something we kinda missed here in the states (due to the NES being released almost three years after the Famicom) is that Super Mario Bros was meant to be seen as the ultimate cartridge game, the limit of what stock hardware could do. It was also intended as Nintendo's send-off to the Famicom before releasing the Famicom Disk System and developing further games there. Shortly after the Disk System's release, game devs figured out how to extend the Famicom's capabilities via mapper chips so it ended up having more life in it after all. In that context, the selection of SMB as number one makes even more sense. It was more influential than we knew at the time.
As someone who started playing games back in 1988, I have to say that when this list was made, it pretty much hit on some of the most important games ever made. I do agree with some of your criticisms (e.g. Ms. Pac-man over Pac-man) but overall,I don’t think I disagree with one game.
Personally if I had to choose my top 10 picks in no specific order
Deus Ex
Unreal Tournament
Super Mario Bros 3
Castlevania Symphony of the Night
Final Fantasy 7 (even though I think 9 is better 7 had more of an impact.)
Metal Gear Solid
Chrono Trigger
Tony Hawks Pro Skater 2
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, Metal Gear Solid 2 and Deus Ex would be on my list.
Not having Morrowind or KOTOR on there is a crime.
sup kiro just wanted to say as a feedback that i enjoy more the videos where it's actually you and your opinion instead of what IGN thinks
I watched you from the very beginning when you started
I think this list isn't saying these games are specifically the best, but rather the most influential and groundbreaking. That's why games like Mario Kart are on there. Mario Kart 1 isn't the best kart racing game ever made, but it was pretty damn influential. Goldeneye proved that you could do a FPS on a console, even if as of 2003 there had been way better console FPS's released since it came out. And, THPS3/4/U are all arguably better than THPS2 (I personally like 2 best tho), but THPS2 was way more ground shattering than any of the ones that followed it.
I was hoping to hear Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc in the list. I heard from lots of people who loves platformers that Rayman is one of the best platform games of all time.
NHL 94 was amazing.
Best Christmas ever.
When it comes to IGN.... they are definitely BIAS and nostalgic for what they enjoy 😅
And so are people too!
@@Jar3xe yeah but when you are making a list for everyone, you should try and remain unbiased with your list.
@@bagginsfrodos "For everyone" is not really their point though, it's more like the most majority of people would agree on, nostalgia are considere a factor to its.
This list isn't a definitive list, it's a selective list i'd say. There is nothing wrong with bias in here, it's just how you make the list, you can make your own list and have it differ to other person. That just goes to show you that nostalgia play significant role in making list.
@Jar3xe I agree, but again when writing for a business like IGN, you should remain unbiased.
Also they totaly forgot about SMB3. I'm more of a world guy myself, but i thought 3 was always the more popular one
Surprised a game like half life 1 didn’t make it in the top 20 games from before 2003
Tomb Raider 1 was so good
It was a very popular opinion that Ms. Pac-Man is better than the original by far. Ms. Pac-Man arcade machines stuck around even longer than Pac-Man ones did in the 2000's. It's influencial in terms of having a playable female protagonist, which doubled as being much more appealing and welcoming to girls to play. If not for her being stuck in legal limbo, Namco would be shoving it down our throats instead of trying to pretend she doesn't exist.
Top 10 most impactful video game franchises:
#1 Minecraft
#2 Tetris
#3 Super Mario
#4 Pac Man
#5 Metroid
#6 Pokémon
#7 Zelda
#8 Duck Hunt
#9 Frogger
#10 Street Fighter
Disagree with your number 1.
9:11: Not...exactly. Yes, they used ATB for years, but they actually dropped it after IX. Even before XV, X was a strict turn order system, XI was an MMO, XII was a pseudo MMO (like Xenoblade), XIII had that garbage automated system and XIV was another MMO.
Ah yes, 2003: the year before me
SSX 3 the best video game #1
Ms Pacman is the best selling arcade game of all time. I understand it.
Can you talk about tanks the crusades ssf2 and unciv next
By the way I mean super smash flash 2
NO SONIC!? BLASPHEMY!!
Half life?
Ikr, I’m shocked it didn’t even showed up
Ocarina of Time is still one of the goats
My senior year of high school.
My first year of elementary school.
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@@tristysstuff6664Mwahahahaha. Your time is coming sooner than you think, young blood.
2003 was the start of my freshman high school year, btw.
@@dapperfan44 old ahh 👴
Metroid vania was coined till like 2014
NHL being in the top 20 but not Final Fantasy 6 and 7, Mario Bros 3 or World, and a bunch of other games is WILD
I looked at the list and its dated and interesting all at the same time. Personally, i would have bumbed Halo up into the top 20. Seeing Halo, Half Life 1, and Half Life CS in the lower tears was sad to see. Those games have evolved and still exist today. Golden eye was fun, but there's a reason why fps games moved twords Halo arcady feel and CS pc master race stuff. Also Metroid Prime was so close to getting in there. I think metorid prime is a whole lot more replayable than SNES mario kart
Why did they leave FF7,Half life and Metal Gear solid out but put SMK at first this list is pretty bad
Shin Megami Tensei 3/Nocturne
The list is from back when IGN was good.
GTA 2's my pick #BestGamesBefore2003 #GTA2 #kikotalks
Twenty 0:28
Nineteen 1:12
Eighteen 1:53
Seventeen 2:57
Sixteen 3:35
Fifteen 4:28
Fourteen 4:59
Thirteen 5:45
Twelve 6:35
Eleven 7:10
Ten 7:44
Nine 8:36
Eight 9:44
Seven 10:33
Six 11:20
Five 11:58
Four 12:24
Three 12:59
Two 13:39
One 14:22
Your welcome 😃
Even back then (largely American) reviewers had a massive Nintendo bias. No Half Life, Quake 3, Doom, Max Payne, Gran Turismo 2/3, Fallout, Timesplitters 2, Counter Strike, Halo, Mafia, Crash Bandicoot 3, Tomb Raider, MGS, Smackdown 2, Morrowind, Tekken 3, Sonic the Hedgehog, ect. This isn't even mentioning games that were ignored because they were from other countries and hadn't been translated so the person making the list didn't even know about them like Ever17 or SMT.
I think that, on the whole, this list is quite reasonable. GoldenEye 007 is probably the most egregious one, as even at the time there were far superior FPSes. Hell, DOOM 2 is a substantially better game than GE.
Halo should have been on here.
Personally I don't really like to take into account a game's influence when making a tier list. A game may be influential, but it doesn't mean it holds up well. For example, GTA 3's influence is undeniable, but I don't think it's one of the best games to play nowadays. Even at the time of that list, I think Vice City already surpassed 3, it was definitely the better experience. Even GoldenEye was definitely surpassed by Halo as the better console FPS experience, a game that is still perfectly playable even now, unlike GoldenEye.
These lists have always proven unreliable, as were a lot of reviews, going back as far as 90's magazines. This is mostly brand and mascotte galore. The big magazine of the 1990's, called EGM, did the same. Games of the year suddenly were near the bottom of a top 100 list they made just a few years later. Nothing against Nintendo and Sony, but these lists represent more sales numbers and fandom than real impact and originality. If it's only the best games from before 2003, yeah most of the really old games don't stand a chance for most people, even though their impact was great. Take story telling in video games, something that existed since students started to make their own games at universities in the 1970's. That story telling is presented in this list as something that was almost never done before. I mean, graphic adventures were doing fine in the late 80's and early 90's, and relied mostly on story telling.
Too many great games and representatioins of other missing genres, are missing. Not a good list overall, but has some great ones in there.
(edit: i'm talking about the games in the video, i haven't seen the complete list)
Pac-Man was seen as too shallow and limited to still be really enjoyable.
It's like how you'd compare GTA 3 and Vice City today. Sure, GTA 3 was an industry changing event, but it's not why it stays in the public consciousness.
Pac Man is still pretty fun today it's surprising how addicting it is for a game that is about to be 45 years old
@@Smarties. It's reputation has improved dramatically since then. That Google logo helped. So has mainstream awareness of the ghost personalities and movement.
Plus some great sequels.
And Namco losing the rights to Ms. Pac-Man.
Ms Pac-Man , unlike Pac-Man, had different level maps and that’s why it evolved arcades as a whole
Half Life should have been on the list!
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Ocarina of Time was absolutely worshipped back then. It was considered an untouchable 10/10 sacred cow nothing else could possibly live up to. Time has reduced it to an 8/10 imo.
20 minutes and 298 man kiro talks really fell off
No thought. Just repeat. Waffle House New Host v 4.0
Hm.
Ocarina of Time was one of the games that taught me never to be hyped for games or else you will be disappointed, it took me two years to beat that game since I found it to be THAT boring. Zelda in general is but OoT just specfically bores the crap out of me.
HEY! LISTEN!
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To what?
Third
First
respectfully. Don’t disrespect Ms. PAC-Man please. I understand where you’re coming from with pac-man but Ms. PAC-Man in a way is where boys became MEN, and I mean this in the least sexual way possible 😭. (23 btw I love Ms. Pac-Man so much)
You can't understand list because your too young. I remember reading this when I was 15.
Ok after i heard ign i turned off
what a crap list its just all nintendo junk, where is doom? wolfenstein? way more important in making gaming an industry instead of a toy
Had to stop watching this clueless video ten minutes in.
Pointless