When Japan and America Got Different Mario Sequels
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- Опубліковано 26 кві 2024
- ADDITION: Apparently, Doki Doki panic started as a tech demo of a vertically scrolling Mario game. So Mario 2 and Doki Doki panic have an even bigger connection!
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Hey everyone! A few additions/corrections:
Apparently, Doki Doki Panic started as a tech demo of a vertically scrolling Mario game. So Mario and Doki Doki Panic have an even bigger connection than I mentioned! There's no footage of this prototype to my knowledge, so it's hard to say how different it was compared to Doki Doki Panic.
Also, I should've used footage from the original GBA release of Super Mario Advance and not the Nintendo Switch Online version.
Thanks for watching!
...And let me know of any other fixes I should make :)
there’s no reason to use GBA footage over NSO. what you did was fine. people saying it needs to be GBA are just being pretentious and have a superiority complex.
@@cwega2463 Yeah for real
A little correction: Doki Doki Panic actually started out as a Mario prototype by the Mario team before getting to convert it to DDP which then they converted it back into a Mario game
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I actually didn’t know that. It’s nice hearing something new out of this story that literally everyone already knows
It helps to know this. As without this info, it makes seeing characters like Birdo or Shy Guy in Mario nowadays a little weirder when you know they came from an entirely different game at first.
Besides, it explains why the owners of DDP wouldn’t just own the rights to Birdo or what not since it’s a licensed game. Aside from a different deal that could’ve existed if this always was DDP originally in another timeline.
So… Mario 2 actually was Mario all along…
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Converting ddp into a mario game also helped the game be far more successful then it ever could be because the ddp characters would most likely never be used again after the festival ended as ddp was basically a promotional game for the festival and nintendo would most likely have otherwise skiped a localization in its original form due to losing the license to the mascots after thier sponsorship deal for the festival ended as there are tons of promotional material and festival merchandise showing mario and the ddp mascots together(plus the game didn't really sell that amazingly well in its initial release. Even in japan more people likely played the mario usa version over ddp). Retooling the game helped it reach far more players then it ever could as doki doki panic.
Super Mario Bros 2 is a whole different beast in Japan
Yes but it eventually got a ALL stars SNES game where Super Mario Bros the real SMB 2 (called the lost levels) + the Doki Doki Panic game but the one with Mario) and Super Mario Bros 3 all on 1 SNES cartridge and yes Lost levels/ the real Mario Bros 2 is really BRUTAL that's why the NES game in Japan got replaced by Doki Doki Panic but with Mario Luigi Toad and Peach as party members for the USA NES Super mario bros 2 game.
The American version is better tho
Finally, the sequel to the Sonic 2 and CD video
I LOVE CD
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Plus, “When Japan and America Made Different Ratchet and Clank Sequels”!
Wait they did?
(Is it because they labeled deadlock as the fourth game)
Yes.
Fun fact: Doki Doki Panic was made over a shelved Mario prototype with vertical scrolling, so it getting a Mario makeover later felt like destiny lol
And THAT is why Super Mario Bros 3 should have been a retooled version of The Simpsons: Bart vs. The Space Mutants in the West.
10:55 hehe, Mama Luigi.
that's Mama Luigi to you Mario
Afraid you got some misinformation there. American Super Mario Bros 2, is a reskin of Doki Doki Panic, when this game originally started development, it was a vertical Super Mario Bros (which is why there are so many vertical areas), but they ran into some difficulties and d with the pressure to get a sequel out as soon as possible, they had to shelve this version and work a rom-hack of the original game. That is why the game is so difficult. It was quick and easy. The original game was revived when nippon requested the game for its event.
I wonder how the earliest builds of yume kojo looked
Also with Lost Levels, what happened there was basically just the Mario team were experimenting with the VS. system (basically an arcade version of Famicom hardware or something) where they had a lot more space to just create a bunch of new levels for Mario 1 that they didn't have space for before, and so they just started having fun making levels for themselves that were much harder than the released game in order to match their own skills (because they were quite good at Mario given they made the game lol). And they found the harder levels they made for themselves fun enough for them to play that they decided "why not release this so other super skilled Mario players can have fun too?" and so they did and that's what Lost Levels basically is. Miyamoto detailed all this in an interview a WHILE back, it's somewhere on Nintendo's website I think. So Lost Levels is basically just a big DLC expansion for "super players" but released as a separate game because, well, DLC wasn't really a thing yet, it wasn't from the start a "Let's make THE sequel to Mario" kind of game or anything. And honestly I'd say the devs weren't wrong, Lost Levels is really fun once you're a super master of Mario 1 (and specifically Mario 1, not later Mario games) in my opinion, after I got really good at Mario 1 overtime I've now grown to love Lost Levels and have a ton of fun with it. It's just that like 95% of Mario players don't fit into that demographic the game is targeting so it ends up seeming way less appealing to most Mario fans.
@@legoboy7107 that's pretty much evidenced with vs super mario bros sharing few layout sections with lost levels
@@ssg-eggunner Yep. That's right.
I find it nice how despite initially being a reskin, Super Mario USA was properly integrated into the series
On the other hand, what was it with Nintendo making infamous sequels to their games on the NES. You had both Super Mario 2 and Zelda 2, both usually seen as the worst of their respective franchises
Well, to be fair, neither series has a super solid identity at the time, at least compare to today.
it’s just a case of not knowing what direction to go in, and throwing whatever at the wall to see what sticks. it was normal back then, and was kinda expected to change up every game.
The one thing you don't know about Super Mario Advance is that the footage that you've shown is from Nintendo Switch Online, which gives most GBA games darker, less saturated colors, meant to mimic the GBA's dim screen.
If you play it on a PC emulator, GB Player or backlit GBA SP/DS Lite, it'd look much brighter than NSO. NSO is trying to mimic what it would have looked like on the dim GBA screen
We've officially looped back around to DID YOU KNOW MAYRIO BROTHERS 2 WAS ACTUALLY DOKI DOKI PANICU IN JAPAN?!
5:50 For anyone wondering, the "cheat code", hold A when pressing the "NEW GAME" button in the title screen right after you die, and you'll go back to the start of the world ;)
Hey! Thanks for the mention! Much appreciated!
I love your videos!! between you, the Gaming Historian and Larry… I get real informed about these things that I may or may not know about!! 😁😁
I really should try and beat the Japanese Super Mario Bros 2. I was only able to make it to World 8-3.
Another banger 🎉
That's cool you mentioned that GTV Japan channel. I've watched a few videos from them before. I don't think I have seen that one you mentioned and I definitely ought to see it because that's really fascinating how at dreamcatcher 87, that's what it was called right, that I mean was like a year before I was even born I was born in 1988 and they had all this cool stuff that you wouldn't expect like controlling actual RC cars with an outrun arcade board that's insane. Although I get the feeling being that it was 1987 it probably didn't control that well did it?😂
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Technically, it is slightly tinted yellow in the original.
It's bizarre how Mario 2 being a Doki Doki Panic reskin was common and overused knowledge but now the idea of Doki Doki panic actually being a prototype for mario is slowly becoming that new common knowledge XD, i remember when i found about that i felt the exact same way i did when i found out about the classic reskin story XD.
Also the all-stars version of the lost levels is probably the best in my opinion!
Still don’t know how Doki Doki panic ties into Doki Doki Literature club
it doesn’t. Doki Doki is japanese onomatopoeia and represents the sound of a beating heart. it’s often used through context to represent love and romance.
for this game, the context implies it’s referring to nervousness and, well, panic.
@@cwega2463 I was making a joke
another kiro special :)
0:24: Hey guys, this TV is just a *big fat phony!*
Also yes, thank you for making me feel old by remembering "Ye Olde Floppy Discs.""
You could argue Luigi's taller appearance actually came down from the first Mario movie Super Mario Bros: The Great Mission to Rescue Princess Peach a movie created to promote SMB2 (AKA The Lost Levels) and gave an update to the designs of the characters in respect to the artwork from SMB1 an update that basically made Bowser and Peach current designs to this day.
killed me with the floppy disk
hey at least we got 2 of the greatest entries in the mario series
We still aren't ready for Mario lost levels
2:11 actually, Mario has the same color ID as in smb1 on the NES, the machine VS SMB used just had a different NES color palette.
Crazy how Similar Sonic and Mario’s early days were
First entry was a big hit and new to gamers: Sonic 1 and Mario 1
2 Sequels to the first games made in different countries. Cd and 2, Lost levels and 2
And a fantastic 3rd entry that people regard as the best: Sonic 3&K and Super Mario Bros 3
im totally glad that SMB2 exists., so peach moveset in smash its the action of pulling something from the ground
I feel like the timeline is that lost level IS the sequel while the Doki-Doki Mario 2 is the follow up
tHE KOOPA SHELL TEXTURE IN dOkI dOKI pANIC THO
I'm pretty sure the very original matio movie (there was an animated one before the live action one, so there's acrually 3 mario movies btw) actually gave luigi the taller look
I think Toad picked up vegetables the fastest
it's perfect that Luigi was put over mama because of Mama Luigi
smb2dx when
I kinda come to realize that Japanese Super Mario Bros 2/Lost Levels started the short trend of games getting harder expansions like Mega Man 8 having Mega Man and Bass or Doom 2 doing Doom 2: Master Levels
I feel very attacked by the floppy disk mention 🤣🤣🤣 but yeah I agree Japan Mario 2 is kaizo before it became a thing
I wish there was a Satellaview collection for the switch.
Lost levels is the only one I haven’t beat on allstars.
This video felt like it had more forced jokes and it felt like ya were putting up a character for some points, so it took me out of the experience, but I enjoyed the video besides that.
If ya just be yourself ya will see more success in the growth of this channel and in your happiness.
they did the super players on super Mario Bros deluxe for Gameboy color & the graphics were the same as the first game. But the music sounded different
Yup...I'm old. I still have DOS games on 3 1/2 in. floppies (like the original MechWarrior) but no easy way of playimg them.
P.S. Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA) is a masterpiece in its own right. Thank you Howard Phillips for making it happen.
THE PHONY TV IS BACK WE ARE EATING TODAY
Us Americans got the better Mario 2 first before Japan. None of that platforming chaos that was hard as nails that reused assets from Mario Bros. 1, but instead an adventure set in a dream that felt fitting for the Mario Universe!
W shy guy is on the thumbnail
Sonic and Mario did the same thing. Both had 2 sequels.
What progam do you use to have that room and the tv?
hi
3:22 I wonder how many Japanese players could even read that warning.
You'd honestly be surprised how much English is used in Japan (not saying it's too common, but plenty common in video games)
This makes me think that the classic Mario series is similar to classic sonic series. Here’s why.
:you have the 1st game
:that game has 2 sequels
:one from Japan and America
:the Japanese one was originally made for an add on.
(Only exception is the original Japanese sequel was released worldwide for sonic but only in Japan for Mario)
Our smb2 made its way to japan under the name: super mario usa or something like that.
My favourite Mario games are sequels. Super Mario Land 2: 6 golden coins and Super Mario Advance:Super Mario 2
15:48 How tf did Toad turn into Peach
8:02 Hold up: Twins. Pokey. Picky. Monkey named Rusa. Mother 3???
Hey this is like the sonic one
I SWEAR THIS ENTIRE TIME I HEAR THE SANS SONG BUT IT'S NOT THERE
good job hack youtuber on covering a topic that a million other hack youtuber gaming channels covered before ya but i am sure your take is complete unique and complete original
0:21 can somebody please tell me what application does Kiro use here?... It looks like a simulator
It’s called EmuVR
Wart deserves a comeback
In a way, Sonic the hedgehog kinda has a similar situation. I say kinda very heavily, but hear me out. Despite Sonic 2 coming out before CD by a year, a majority of fans say CD happens after Sonic 1, before 2. Now, Despite knowing a little bit of knowledge about Sonic the hedgehog, I'm entirely unsure if this is the case or not.
In Sonic Origins, CD is set before 2 in the Story Mode.
@@Mari_Izu Origins is irrelevant, it don't count.
@@High-five-ghost-fan13 It's an official game dumbass, it counts more than fan theories.
The japan version of super mario bros 2 is brutal 😢😢😢
Luigi is actually
The best character in Mario bros 2 USA
Is there a single Mario fan who didn't know this yet
Are there young other people Who know what a floppy disk is
yes…
I'm 27 / almost 28 and know what a floppy disc even though my childhood was just after the age of floppy discs
bro its 2024 we know
1:00 :(
i know what a floppy disk is and I’m like 17 though
Small correction: I'm not old
Is it 2008 again?
Are was the for super plates stick put there to exploit ppls egos in a marketing scam!
I will agree SMB2(J) was an eye-opener. When I realized I was only going to get through that one leaf-blowing level by doing leaps of faith and accepting that the coders put the spring platforms perfectly the right number of spaces apart, I stopped playing for awhile, had a chuckle and a prolonged spine-tingling meditation on it, and proceeded. I actually qualified for the "NO WARPS!" patch the same month we (in the U.S.A.) finally saw the game on the SNES combo cart (that same night.)
It's not that hard of a game, it's just a paradigm-shift from the original and from many other games at the time. This narrator way, way, way overexaggerates the difficulty.
I wouldn't even say it's a paradigm shift from the original (later Mario games though, yes), it's basically just the harder half of the same game for the super skilled players who mastered the main game. But it continues the exact same core design philosophies as Mario 1, just now with the expectation that the player already knows how everything works and has mastered it all and so it doesn't have to teach anything to new players like Mario 1 did, it's like "You know and are good at everything we've taught you before, now here's the REAL challenge for you to throw all your skills and knowledge at." If you don't meet that level yet though then the game's gonna be rough, but that also means it's not for you yet. And yeah, it's really not THAT hard, people describe it as the "hardest, most unfair game to ever exist" when that's really not true at all. At the end of the day, it's still just Mario 1, but Mario 1 for people who have already fully mastered Mario 1 (and likewise that's what the bonus worlds A-D are to the main game of Lost Levels).
Also here's a tip for that leaf-blowing springs level, it's not actually a leap of faith if you know the strategy: You can always tell where Mario is and thus aim him under these circumstances, a. if the screen is scrolling full-speed then Mario's in the middle of the screen, and b. if you're holding left and the screen isn't scrolling, then Mario's all the way on the leftmost side of the screen. If you know this thing about how the scrolling works and can take advantage of it to know where Mario is, then 7-3 is no problem and you can always aim your landing on the platforms easily, no blind faith required. It's an example of what I described where the game expects you to already know everything of how things work, even stuff like the mechanics of the camera/scrolling. Hope that helps!
@@legoboy7107 That's really well-put.
Hard or not mario 2 is the better game
10:16 Sonic Heroes be like
Fun fact: in super Mario 2 (Japan) or the lost levels if you reach a goal pole with the two last time digits like 11 22 33 44 55 66 88 or 99 you will get a extra life even if you still don’t get to the top.
bs super Mario bros
does it mean it is Bull shit?
Bro put a spoiler warning for a 30 year old game 💀
Fake Super Mario bros 2 Is Yume kojo Doki Doki Panic Hack
I hate that fake Mario 2 (USA Version)