Jim Cornette on Tony Khan's Comments About Him
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2021
- From Episode 209 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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Tony: Uses kindess finisher on Jim
Jim: Kicks out at 2
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@@mid-cardwrestling2925 I farted while writing this comment
The back rub of doom
FUCK this made me laugh so hard
You joke, but you're likely closer than you realize. Tony's trying to make Corny his friend so he backs off the criticism.
Tonight Malakai Black did his entrance, to silence on commentary, RIGHT after Jim said "let the entrance breathe" like a week ago. Tony completely listens to these podcasts.
Don't forget the aftermath of Punk v Darby was EXACTLY what Jim said it would be
Plenty of people said the same thing. Even other shows said that
@Aaron Ethan I sure hope not
@@matthewnewman6039 I have no doubt Punk listens/watches to A LOT of stuff. He's always been on point at crafting his wrestling persona.
@Aaron Ethan if Cody wants time off, he can put up a fight, but Malakai should go over.
This is the most engaging romantic comedy taking shape.
Let him buy you dinner first, Mr. Cornette!
hahahaha amazing comment
4 weddings and a coffin match
I legitimately laughed out loud at this comment. Gold
*buddy cop movie
So instead of hiring Corny, Tony listens to his podcast and gets his advice for free. Smart move Tony 🤣
He tried to sign him to aew two years ago but when Jim heard the bucks and Kenny were involved that was the end of that conversation lol
Yeah he really can’t stand the Bucks 😂😂
He will never unless Omega and Bucks stop doing shit he doesn’t like, but even then Corny really despises those guys lmao
Win , Tony
You say that like he has the option of hiring him
I like that Tony Khan acknowledges Cornette's influence and gives him respect in spite of Corny's shall we say unvarnished opinions.
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p Seems like a lazy excuse for quality degradation.
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p It is a generational thing because nowadays people are not taught how to take any type of criticism if it comes across as a little harsh and sarcastic. I went to school with teachers that were in Viet Nam, nuns and angry art teachers who did not give two f#ck$ about your feelings. And when you got out into the working world you sometimes met people even worse than that, so knowing how to separate the BS from actual knowledge is necessary. Jim says a lot of correct things in a hostile way so it comes across as negative, but if he did not give a rat's ass he just wouldn't say anything.
Lol you worship Tony Khan too much
@@rl318 yeah. Cornys also an entertainer. I bet he would use slightly more tact while keeping the core of his opinion intact in a business meeting.
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p the thing is whenever he fantasy books angles its always 10 times better than the actually product.
Could you imagine if aew hired corny and there was a storyline with him and the youngbucks/omega? The heat would be real but the entertainment would be through the roof!
Yoooo this a be amazing! Tony and Jim need to make this happen. It would be amazing for everyone aware of this. Dope
@Aaron Ethan Seriously this sounds like gold!
The Wrestling Gods needs to clear and let this happen 🙏🏾
Imagine the promos in the ring Jim shitting on their style of wrestling. The back and forth between Kenny and Corny, and Olivier actually doing the finger guns in front of corny 😭
But Jim would need 2-3 guys that he actually likes on the roster, that can emulate his realistic OG style. Then seeing the 2 styles come together for a match 🤯 Like can we have ring psychology and spots? Can they sell and still do asai moonsaults? I’m 27 so I grew up with both eras. I want both worlds to come together and co create a realistic looking and feeling product. Just have a balance and bring it together.
AEW sold us on having a REALISTIC wrestling product. Jim is right, when they got TV and PPV time they ended up doing clown shit 🤦🏾♂️ The same clown shit that drove majority of wrestling fans away in the first place. The same clown shit that had grown men ashamed of saying they love/and or still watch pro wrestling if they didn’t fall out of love with it already because of the childish shit. Like that clown shit drove people away from wrestling for 15 years. Jim is right AEW has a “restart/second chance right now” AEW has the means to take over. There matches are better they actually wrestle unlike WWE and their restrictive bullshit 🥴 And it isn’t a 3 hour show thats all poorly written cringe promos with bad acting.
Now with the new added star power AEW can be a dopeeee powerhouse if they take a more realistic wrestling approach and cut the corny, cringe, lame humor. AEW has serious talent. Guys like Dante Martin have a bright future if marketed right.
I would love it. The promos alone would be tv gold
We need that to happen now.
And then bring Vince Russo to manage the Young Bucks. Book it you cowards.
Tony Khan is killing Jim with kindness
and Tony has been listening slowly over time to what Jim is telling him
@@hardcase2080 I've been said this
It's obvious now
100%
Notice that Corny immediately called him "Tony" without the surname. Corny is like the old grumpy grandma who doesn't want a new TV, but when you buy her new huge LED screen she immediately likes it.
Tony seems like a nice guy and that's why I want him to do good.. Goodness begets goodness, I hope
You don't get to be a billionaire by being a "nice guy". AEW attracts sociopathic fans for a reason.
@Bryan Mack It still applies. If anything it's even more true in his case because he was brought up to be conniving and ruthless.
@@DolFan316 If you've seen any clips of him post-show, backstage, during production and in interviews, it is clear that he is a wrestling fan and for the most part a nice guy, whatever evil is in his heart I haven't seen yet, so shut the fuck up.
@@hankthetank8039 You're totally gonna convince me Tony Khan's a nice guy by telling me to shut up...NOT! Telling people to shut up is all you NPC AEW fans know how to do, you certainly can't think for yourselves. At this point you're just a robot wearing human flesh.
Ya... I don’t think it’s fair to say “well he has money/was born into money” in order to imply that AUTOMATICALLY means he can’t be a nice guy... like I’m ALLLLL In favour of reigning in the 1% and taxing the rich a FUCK ton more then we do now and all that good jazz... but your ACTIONS determine the quality of person you are... not what colour you were born, who your parents were... how much money you have...etc etc...
Honestly this is not shocking whatsoever. Hell Tony Kahn wanted to hire Jim, regardless of the Bucks and Omega.
Wait, what? Elaborate please, first I am hearing of this
I believe jim has said Khan had a meeting with him. Jim cant go into super detail cause legal stuff but he mentioned he said hell no once he found out who was there. Since he knew how it would turn out.
@Joshua Sharwood aew prob has some schmuck listening and taking notes and it's saving thousands in consulting fees.
@@cernunos5578 Tony listens lol.
@@saloz9483 ty
"I eliminated stress by eliminating people that I don't enjoy working with." - Jim Cornette
@khlynfnflye Except he didn't get fired from any of them. But keep twisting shit to fit your narrative, it's 2021, actual facts don't matter anymore.
@@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma SO glad somebody gets it. About no actual facts these days, that is.
he means people who dont follow every word his fucking ego spits out
NWA enters the chat.....
Being asked to resign is being fired
And yet he is still stressed out and on the precipice of an aortic rupture every time he even talks about someone with whom he disagrees on anything. Cornette is a heart attack waiting to happen.
"He FINGERED ME!" I like to imagine Brian has a secret soundboard somewhere of all Jim's gaffs
I hope he does.
It wasn't a gaff. Corny knows exactly what he says and the innuendo involed. Love him or hate him he has a sharp mind.
It was clearly intentional. You can understand it by his tone and him repeating the line.
I love it :D
He does and it'll be released to the media if anything ever happens to him....
Jim, I'd like to congratulate you for all the work you have put in on AEW
Dan Lambert watches thats for sure, he cuts a cornette promo every week “they don’t even know the lyrics! They’re reading off their phones!….hit 55 super kicks climb to the rafters and flip through two tables for a 2 count, and these fans will pop’ 😂😂😂
A LOT of prominent people listen to Cornette than will ever let on.
Dan Lambert could be the perfect heel manager, simply by playing off Cornette’s podcast zingers. Cornette has easily said thousands of one-liners since AEW started. Lambert could take those lines and play off them while managing tag teams and singles stars.
@@Voysh2Voysh69 and I would absolutely love that, little by little it seems like the advice is being implemented into the show and AEW is better for it for sure !
@UCp3K39AtrSJFcPZbate6VZQ She's a rookie, so give her time. She is getting better though. I'd rather see her than Doudrop, or Eva Marie.
@@philanderphillips2309 she’s going to be huge if she sticks with it
Deep down inside Tony khan respects jim cornette. I hope Tony continue to find success in professional wrestling business.
As people and the wrestlers need a viable alternative option.
Exactly. Makes me wonder why these hardcore fans want one company.
@@wce05308 there not real fans like the people backing everything jim says about aew
@@wce05308 every wrestling fan is hardcore, ud have to be to sit thru the absolute bolox that's been put out the last 15 odd years
ufc is real
AGREE! There needs to be an alternative to WWE but we have ROH, Impact and others but they're not doing it for me! My ideal promotion is one that comes the closest to having the flavor of MID ATLANTIC, WORLD CLASS and MID SOUTH my all time favorite promotions ever! They had great, body slamming action; cool angles or "storylines" and a SPOONFUL of non cartoonish humor and THE only one doing that today is AEW!
If you watch Dynamite you can tell Tony listens to Jim. All the sudden ppl Jim points out aren't being used are featured more Powerhouse Hobbs, Pillman, MJF and FTR and the Pinnacle and while I don't agree with Jim about everything (We all know Jim's a heel and sometimes he's just heeling on AEW) I think Tony is wise to listen to Jim about certain things.
It does seem that the last few weeks they are picking up cues from Jim.
Same with how Miro went from being booked like a goof in pink shirts to an unbeatable beast
Yeah, he limit Sonny kiss appearance which is good.
I’m not a fan of TK, but at least he’s listening.
And Jelly nutella is off screen now
@@welowee7610 Nothing against the person who does Sonny Kiss but damn his gimmick throws me off, I can't watch his matches, again no offense but it's just not good for TV
Tony is doing what Corny would have done if he was being criticized by his elders. Outside of VKM, Corny and Heyman are the best 2 wrestling minds we got left we need to cherish them.
Disco and Konnan also
@@goomerdoctor9479 Wut?
@@goomerdoctor9479 😂
@@goomerdoctor9479 not even close
@@goomerdoctor9479 😂😂
Tony’s playing chess trying to get Cornette on board lol
Dont think he cares anymore. Not when you know Jim would decline out the gate based on prejudices. He just thinks Corny is the mad uncle that makes some sense, but would never employ and put in a decision making position
@@chriss790 I honestly believe The bucks & Kenny will go do something else & Jim will have a consultant role within the next year.
Jim Cornette will most probably help Tony in the future as part of AEW. Tony knows how to look at criticism an not burn bridges with people whom he looked up to.
Tony's behavior on Twitter is definitive proof that he has no idea how to handle criticism. It isnt just AEW. He has had twitter spats with wrestling fans, football fans, and soccer fans. He has been called a clown by media in multiple countries for it. He is only acknowledging Cornette because *he had praise for AEW* bringing in Punk.
@@seraphimdunn says Raymond Dunn the wrestling expert
Not gunna happen. Too many of the boys (and girls) there HATE corny unabashedly. That's why Khan didn't outright say his name
@@seraphimdunn Lolololol and Jim blocking everyone under the sun means nothing I guess.
@@seraphimdunn A great example with Fulham is the whole Ivan Toney thing - Khan made a point of claiming he was the person bringing him up, when even the vaguest criticism of them not signing him came about. He then tried to deflect by talking about financial fair play while in the season the club spent a fortune on loan fees, and unlike when a player is signed, they don't become a club asset. Essentially he paid for the privilege of developing another clubs assets. Not sure Toney would have made a difference in Fulham Premier League season although he did set a record for scoring in the division below, and if he had been signed for £5m he likely could have been sold for £10-15m even if he had had a fairly mediocre season. Maybe also worth mentioning that the club is losing millions every year under the Khan's administration too...
Cornette NEVER trashes anything without offering constructive criticism and how it could be done different first. Khan is clearly listening to this podcast. Any one of us can point to a number of things that Jim has said should be done....that suddenly are done on AEW. Not a coincidence.
Lol, he talks shit about Republicans dispite not knowing WTF is happening in the country
He is baised against Omega cos of DDT and Ethan Page due to the Karate man stuff. Can u blame him tho?
@@Oleksandr.Derkach Ok, and?
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We're talking about wrestling.
bullshit, he obviously has a petty grievance against Kenny for not going to his stupid show. His criticisms are dumb and only taken seriously by marks who have no explanation for why he has failed so many times in ROH, TNA, SMW
@@skepticsphere5930 he says exactly why he doesn't like those werestlers and he hardly failed at SMW, his run at OVW was a huge success and when he says something about AEW it is listened to and in alot of cases acted on. It's clear you're a fan of Olivier and the Hardly Boys lol, how embarrassing
Corny doing the "The Benny Hill" tune killed me! LMAO 😂😆🤣
it's called Yakety Sax by Boots Randolph. A classic for sure! Use to watch with my Canadian grandma after Wheel of Fortune every night. Great kids tv ha ha.
@ Michael Groves Thanks for the info! 👍 I remember the Benny Hill Show on WWOR-TV in NYC on Saturday nights right before WWF Wrestling Spotlight in the 80's.
a Frenchie watching British comedy on American TV ...
I noticed they “laid out” for Malachi Blacks entrance this past time so maybe they ARE listening.
And FTR got a win on television last night too.
@@gunnarbeuley4992 They have been quiet during Blacks entrance many times before
Which killed the segment.
Lay out, don't stay silent for 5 minutes!!
@@darrengordon-hill I agree. I also thought they went just a hair too long but hey, getting there.
It’s amazing the perfection it takes to be simple.
People need to relax, if you're going to complain about such small details you're never going to enjoy a wrestling show and better off not watching it. Wanna know why wrestling was so great during the late 90s? Because fans didn't bitch about every small thing, they just enjoyed the show. How did Stone Cold get a beer truck in the arena? Nobody cares, it was awesome.
"A place to park two boats" Corny is a marvel.
Say what you want about tony khan, he has made some mistakes with his company, but he seems to at least be trying to make strides in the right direction. More importantly, he created another place for major talents and young guys to make money in the wrestling business. And I cant hate him for that.
Why do you even care about that.... as opposed to him starting an orphanage??
I watched All Out and thought it was a huge step in the right direction. If they put the belt on Danielson, then they are going to continue going in the right direction. He needs to be their champion for at least a year since they decided Adam Page is done. If they keep it on Omega, then they are taking every potential step backwards that they possibly could in this or any universe.
@@seraphimdunn I disagree. The main plan should be for Punk to beat omega.
@@darrengordon-hill no shit, starting an orphanage would be better. I'm talking about wrestling here.
@@mayomonkey-gen1 I think they should go Omega > hangman > mjf > punk
So Tony isn’t as big a mark for himself as you’d think. Despite Jim being at time harsh towards TK & AEW as a whole, Tony doesn’t take it personally & he still respects Jim & tries to learn from him at a distance.
How do you know? You don’t hang out with him personally. From what I’ve seen he’s been a big baby to people who criticize him. He attacks people on Twitter, gets peoples UA-cam channels taken down for criticizing them, sends lawyers to people like Cornette and has even flipped out on wwe for wanting to work with NJPW saying he was the one who started the forbidden door and about cried. I guess he’s going to completely ignore the fact WWE worked with Japanese promotions and ecw, NWA and many other promotions over the years.
@@fishin4bass2002 Yes. This. The AEW fanbase is a reflection of Khan in that they regard any criticism of the company as a literal crime. People like Tony Khan don't just randomly dole out praise, they always have an ulterior motive. And note that he went out of his way to deny he was even mentioning Corny by name.
@@DolFan316 yeah I agree. People don’t seem to understand this.
Just because he says so?
You freaking mark.
This reminds me of that Moe and Lisa exchange
Cornette: "Look, I don't like you, and you don't like me."
Tony: "I like you."
Cornette: "You do? Then I like you too!"
Haha. Right? I think he does like Tony because he doesnt speak about him with disdain like he does for those he hates.
He always sounds like a disappointed father when talking about Tony.
Well, when was the lasTime Corny called Tony a "money mark?"
@@sunbowrainshine I think it's cause Tony is a wrestling fan but that sorta new/old fan where he loves the old stuff but ok with the new. It's why for me personally I liked how aew is doing the factions and treating it like modern WCW and attitude era wwe.
LOL, spot on
Man this video is was funnier than anything I've seen all day
Tony 100% listens to Jim. Last week Jim ripped the commentators for talking during Malakai Black’s entrance cuz it ruined the mystique, and this week not a peep from anybody during it, and it was SO much better. There’s no doubt he is taking notes. Just one thing I noticed right away.
They have been silent during his entrance many times before. You think JR needs Cornette to tell him when to be silent?
@@MaskedAvenger13 They literally haven’t, and Jim was specifically referring to Excalibur when he referenced they need to shut up during his entrance. I suppose i’m just making things up and this was never said though 😂
Why do you think that Cornette is the only person in the world that saw that there should be silence during the entrance...?
@@ettel8358 Who the fuck said that 😂😂😂
I know it’s been said a million times, but if the Young Bucks ever just slowed down, learned to sell, and didn’t just do every move they know for the sake of doing it every single match, they might be alright. They def have the kind of heat where you want to see them just punched in the face, but that doesn’t matter when the matches just suck. It’s like watching somebody play a wrestling video game. Just random moves until it’s over. 🤷♂️
They can sell and they can wrestle, they proved it before. The problem is that they try to include so much stuff in every match, that they don't feel special anymore. I just wish they slowed down a little bit, not every match needs to have a thousand spots... They should save that for special matches only
Watching the latest Young Bucks match was like watching a wrestling match on fast forward. You're both completely right - let the fucker breath. The timing and storytelling would improve. It's like the easiest part of wrestling. FFS
The bucks don't get enough respect for what they can do. Because they are so talented what they do gets overlooked and the focus is on what people don't like.
The Young bucks are cool guys in real life they just don't need to be wrestling, they're top level executives of a company, they should be hiring and training people, besides, they don't have anything left to prove anyway
Someone didn't see the Bucks cage match @ All Out. The Bucks vs Omega & Page or the Bucks vs FTR. 🤦🏾♂️
As Jim said, Vince cutting decent talent - folks that were on either show - from the WWE was something nobody foresaw. That is giving Tony the materials to make a better product. What he does with it, time will tell.
This. It isn't so much that AEW is riding a rising tide; it's more attributable to the fact WWE is bottoming out and becoming an utter shitshow. It has been heading down that path for a long time. AEW, by comparison, looks a hell of a lot better now than it ever has because its only competitor is the worst it has ever been (which is saying something considering how bad WWE was post-Attitude Era).
@@treykook SMACKDOWN is still kicking Dynamites ass in ratings and viewership, so it cant be too shitty
@@rleonardgreen78 Smackdown is on Free TV which is available to the majority of America. Rub some brain cells together and you'd understand why that's a dumb comparison. FOX wanted 4 million viewers from them and they are barely getting 2 million. Their demos are weak too.
@@rleonardgreen78 Kicking thier ass is a little strong haha. Aew is also a very new wrestling show that's not on Fox. I'm waiting to see what happens before I start saying who's kicking who's ass.
@@MikeMaduxx that's because Smackdown ie s strong show.
This is the one we've been waiting for
along with 83% of the others.
@@SecretGerms absolutely
I honestly think Tony knew he was going to be floundering alone when he started this. He probably wanted Jim there as his mentor because he knew there would be no hesitation on Jim's part to tell him the truth. Tony is smart enough to know people are taking advantage of him, but not stern enough to make them stop. Jim would be perfect as his advisor, and axe man if needed.
AGREED
Jim would destroy AEW, and if he was criticized, he'd whine and quit because his entire life he never learned how to work with others
Good point mate
@@matthewnewman6039 He was employed consistently in the wrestling business for 30+ years in a business management role. The people he says he doesn't like the reason he doesn't like them is because he worked with them and felt they were hard to deal with so not sure how you get "he never learned how to work with others". His point of view is always in the mindset of a coach. If a coach yells at you it's not because he's a jerk it's because he wants you to get better and being nice about it isn't motivating you enough. I mean it's the whole reason WWE has gone about not working with indy wrestlers and getting actual athletes. They can be coached without getting their feelings hurt.
@@matthewnewman6039, absolutely agreed! Jim would ruin AEW by teaching them to how to book matches, produce segments, and how to write angles and storylines that are actually engaging!
He would sink the masterpiece AEW currently is by using what’s always worked!!!!!!
I feel like Tony Khan has someone assigned to listen to the Drive Thru so they can take notes, see what they did wrong in the past episode and try to fix it on the next one. .
That's plausible
You sound like a trump level conspiracy theorist lmao
Not just that, I think he listens to most popular podcasts and also has his veterans hired JR, Dean Malenko, Paul Wight, Mark Henry, CM Punk, Arn Anderson, Tully, Jake Roberts, they all have mind for the wrestling business but yes it also takes time because dont forget, you want to bring in new viewers, casual viewers but also keep the hardcore fanbase and if possible progressively teach them how it can be done.
Old thread, but Tony has actually said he gets a "Fink report" done for all the major podcasts from former guys in the business to help him learn. He said although he doesn't agree with everything Corney says, he does listen. So yeah, he does do that.
Cornette should be the secret mastermind behind the Pinnacle.
"It's me, Twinkletoes! It was me all along!"
Hahahaha that would be so funny
and then he should commentate a Riho match
Have always appreciated Tony’s attitude towards Jim. It’d be really easy to write him off as just a grumpy asshole but Tony’s obviously tried to take the criticism and advice that Jim’s given as a part of his angry rants and make positive changes on AEW where and when he can.
I’m optimistic Tony’s running of AEW is going to improve as time goes on cause he obviously WANT’S to improve. Hopefully one day to a point where he and Jim can finally talk in person
Jim has many solid points tbf. But some of those takes are subjective enough oc.
It seems like it may be true that To t Kahn doesn’t know wrestling, but he is starting to prove that he may in-fact know business
I think aside from the silly outlaw mudshow clownish elements, deep down Jim really wants Tony and AEW to succeed. Wrestling needs competition and AEW are the closest thing to that for WWE right now.
@@ziahamm1603 Jim loves the business with all his soul, that's why he takes so much interest in AEW, he wants them to succeed and it pisses him off that they continually fuck things up with bad booking.
@@Matthew-mf6xg couldn't have said it better myself. But I fear whilst the Bucks and Olivier are in Tony's ear things won't change. I hope he is starting to listen to guys like Danielson and Punk though and it's lessening the influence of the Middle Aged Bucks and Twinkletoes McFingerbang a bit
I feel like most of Jim's booking tips can be really useful in fiction writing as well
I'm certain that many bookers can be highly successful authors
Basic tropes are like that.
Not "Babyface Big E cashes in like a heel"
@@darrengordon-hill as much as I get what Jim said and I completely agree money in the bank has a backwards psychology.
But when the fans cheer for these “heelish” tactics in the cash ins, it’s because it’s normally a guy finally winning who they feel deserves it.
It did come off as heelish from Big E but he said he was cashing in that night as well, he isn’t going to not do it when it’s for the main belt and he’s not doing it to a good guy. Hes doing it to a big heel in lashley so there’s not a lot of sympathy
If anything I thought lashley tweaking his leg at 46 years old was a nice touch in writing since he has that match with Goldberg at crown jewel where Goldberg is coming off the “injury” to lashley. I think that makes that match more interesting at least even though it wouldn’t of been my pick lol.
Just saying I think the only thing to criticize hard is Bobby lashley getting back in the ring when he’s hurt he should of tried leaving through the crowd and then kofi and Xavier should have came out and dragged him back out and then have big E win and you have a tweener new day maybe. Idk then you have lashley creating a reimagined hurt business to get back on top. Maybe cedrick and Keith lee this time?
@@kevinkarvaski8611
MITB doesn't have a "backwards psychology".
It's just booked poorly.
Because Paragraph 2.
IKR? I use them in my Corny fanfics all the time 😉
j/k But you know there's somebody out there writing Corny fanfics for real that involve him using a tennis racket in...unconventional ways.
Believe it or not when jim cornette talks about the biz and he says " you dont do it just by reading up on it watching videos or practicing in your basement." I mean that part of the discussion is a great summary of what life is. Actually making mistakes and learning from them.
Adversity is an unparalleled teacher.
"They've been stuck in an indy bubble!"
That point really needs to be highlighted! Jim's detractors moan that he is stuck in the past, but fail to realise that their own line of thinking is equally wedged in its own world. Yes Jim is one of their harshest critics, but he's also one of their most legit critics. To completely reject his feedback altogether because he's a big meanie in tone would be absurd on their part.
We talk a lot about learning from the past to avoid its mistakes, but it's also important to carry over what we know was done right. Digging in and applying some of Jim's suggestions does not mean you validate his entire view on the product, and hopefully Tony Kahn does appreciate this to some degree.
And they fail to realise the only reason AEW has done well this last week month in viewers amd demo is cus they signed ACTUAL big name talent in punk and danielson
The show with moxley omega the bucks Cody didn’t get anywhere near wwe and would only scrap near a million when doing a hyped PPV on tv
And it’s funny how they shit on wwe doesn’t make stars yet ratings only really went up with a influx of wwe stars, yet they won’t admit and still think it’s cus of omega and the bucks
I agree AEW marks hate Jim with passion and I actually came here to know what exactly Jim is saying and man when Jim says something even if you don't agree you still need to sit down and listen to him. Tony badly needs to get rid of Elites from authority if he wants to get his money back.
@@ashishranjan1661 I feel so good to see a fellow Indian who is into wrestling other than WWE :)
Jim can be harsh because he has zero tolerance for bullshit. Just cause he gets heated doesn't mean his critiques aren't valid. AEW is frustrating, they have so much talent and potential, but they're stuck in the Indy world. Considering not much has changed the last 5 months, I don't think AEW are listening to Cornettes legit advice and it's a shame.
Tony Khan definitely listens.
He put over FTR in a normal tag match with no afterbirth.
He had CM Punk talked about Suzuki’s history.
Commentators stayed quiet during Mr Black’s entrance.
Just Omega and Bryan Danielson in the ring.
Dan Lambert is basically a mash up of Jim's criticisms and MJF's fan heat call outs. He is great.
The best thing to watch on the show.
Maybe it’s just me but his promos feel really really cheap to me. They don’t achieve much from a story perspective and have me muting my TV. Feels like a waste of Ethan Page & Scorpio Sky too. The promos don’t matter to the overarching stories within the show too. But we all like different things wrestling is subjective
At the end of the day, Jim still cares about wrestling and wants to see good wrestling. He probably wouldn't give Tony Khan the time of day if he didn't think Tony could do better.
I honestly could see Jim and Tony Khan getting along
Tony: *Compliments Jim*
Jim: *Still insults Tony* lmao.
he is insulting the things he has done lol
Everyone in the locker room: Insults Jim
Cucknette: Scared boomer noises
@@destroyerofmorons If you don't like Jim, why the hell are you here dude?
@@abrielrobertsson4160 Why the hell are YOU watching Dynamite if you dont like it? 🤡
@@destroyerofmorons I don't really watch it lmfao. AEW sucked badly before these latest arrivals.
“If Tony and Pockets were to get divorced, who would get custody of the Hardly Boyz?” 😂😂😂
I'd never give an active wrestler an VP spot. They would be like a Kevin Nash type booker for that division. Only retired wrestlers should be VPs.
I am starting to wonder just how much influence that the Bucks and Omega really have. It feels like any influence they have had has become less and less over time. The dynamite show yesterday was a GREAT show from start to finish. It all made sense. No dumb shit at all.
To me, the EVP status seems like a way to call them the founders of the company. They do have some role in helping run the back stage stuff, but Tony Khan has final say on everything.
Everything Jim said about AEW was right and that's being proved right now. They bring in actual stars in CM Punk and Bryan Danielson (rather than the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega) and the matches are (mostly) not ridiculous spotfests anymore. Don't have to work the WWE style or anything but slow it down, take it seriously and wrestling fans will like your show.
Only crybaby aew fanboys didn’t accept what jim was saying. Jim may be outdated but he knows production and how to make wrestling believeable
The Bucks and Omega are a big reason why those "stars" are there!! The "spot fest" Lucha Bros are tag champs, and AEW has been gaining momentum. Welcome aboard
@@mrmdmpofficial2 except the bucks are bottom 10 merch sellers now and Omega has some of the lowest rated main events, but sure, it's not Jericho, Darby, Pac, Cassidy, Sting, or any of the other like 6 people who do better ratings.
@@grabbity comprehend better please. "are a big reason" is not the same as only reason smart guy 😂😂😂. AEW has long been gaining momentum. You Cornette geeks are just now admitting it
@@grabbity and lmmfao at using "merch selling" the Bucks have killed merch for years, it's time for a step back. Omega doesn't do ratings?? But the dream match of the decade is Danielson vs..............??????????
He definitely was talking about Jim after all out
I do think that Tony has improved AEW since it started, and I think if he took more of Jim's critique, he would improve it more. I don't think he should take all of Jim's advice though but definitely in the area booking and match psychology
AEWs "improvement" had nothing to do with Khan and everything to do with all the ex-WWE stars falling into his lap. It's like saying the coach of an NFL team just got smarter because the team happened to sign a bunch of big name players that became available in free agency all at once.
@@DolFan316 you really think that Kahn has learned nothing over three years? The guy is clearly open to learning even if he still has a lot of major mistakes and hang ups as the head booker. You seem very all or nothing about it, and I don't believe it to be fair or accurate. And to be clear, I probably agree with you on a lot of stuff that is still wrong with AEW
@@indiesongwriter5474 I'd just like to see how well AEW can sustain things for the next 3 months before I pronounce the same guy who's been trying to run the company into the ground a genius now just because he was handed Punk, Bryan, etc.
@@DolFan316 you're super hyperbolic. I think saying that he's flawed but improved from 3 years ago is a far cry from genius. Gradually increasing ratings and profits is not running a company into the ground. To say that the only positive thing that happened was getting handed top signees... Again, it's like you aren't getting past this "all good" or "all bad" thinking. It sounds like you are really frustrated with AEW and your feelings are valid but speaking from frustration cuts out nuanced constructive critique, in my opinion
Wouldn't take all Jim's advice but fuck that haha and almost everyone in wwe is a ex wat ever guy just so u no
You can tell that all of AEW listens to this podcast and is now 100% taking ideas from Jim. Is Jim being paid behind the scenes and this is all a work?
Damn.. You are everywhere.. I love when Scammers call you Kitboga and Jim Browning..
Stop it your thinking too much
Wouldn’t surprise me
Why pay when you can listen and take for free?
He's getting paid with every box of inedible Magic Spoon.
This is one of Travis Heckel's finest. Sums up the dynamic so well.
Also so perfect for Jim’s metaphor about surgeons and bookers: “that’s what dead bodies are for”
Jim is missing the part where the fans are the ones demanding these matches. The lucha bros being one. Can't push a tag team that their audience isn't going to be behind
Jim doesn't seem to have a clue about the fanbase except to insult them for watching what he deems and inferior product with Wrestling clowns. Sure he knows the business better than anyone, but he is out of touch in that respect.
I've watched wrestling since i was a kid. I'm from dallas so the vonerich's were gods here. So i enjoyed the territory days. Aew to an extent along with the other promotions is bringing their version of that back. Seeing wrestlers in matches and promotions that we weren't seeing. Helps build wrestlers. Wwf ended all of that. So seeing something different than wwe isn't a bad thing. I was also a fan of lucha libre so when their talent came to town it was pretty cool. Jim thinks everyone wants to see the same promos over and over. Head locks and roll up finishes. Sure the bucks and omega could slow it down a bit
@@DabsDad he does have a clue about the fanbase. He expresses it constantly and hits the nail on the head constantly.
@@cheekclapper3960 he doesn’t think every one wants that at all. That’s what you want people to think he does because it simplifies the argument to make it seem like you’re a smark with a gold finger into to the pulse of many of the fans that left. That’s all so silly. Same promo? So dumb
@@juliotorres3147 same promos from the 80's. Let him tell it the midnight express was the best tag team and the Alabama Jam was the best finish. He does make sense on some of wrestling issues but he misses that aew is a positive for competition. Perhaps making wwe elevate their product.
It'll never happen, but can you imagine the crowd reaction on some random Dynamite as FTR are in the ring celebrating a win, when "Okay boys, you ready to do this PROPERLY?!" comes over the PA as Cornette walks out onto the stage?
I absolutely love Forbidden Door stuff so if Corny gets credit for that, that makes it so much the better.
Tony Khan knows how to book, but just in a different way to Jim Cornette… you wouldn’t turn a $20m investment into a $400m wrestling promotion if you didn’t know how to book. Sure he’s made a few bad booking mistakes here and there but when the PPV sales rise year on year, you know you’re doing something right
Maybe Tony just did some reverse Psychology and wants Jim on his side and is buttering him up even though Jim has been on AEW side a lot more in the past month
Cornette is on the side of
✓quality booking
✓ realism as best as can be
✓ ring psychology/selling
✓ story telling
✓ putting wacky gimmicks or comedy to a limit to not make everything seem "fake"
And when you're on the side of that you'll praise anyone from NJPW, WWE or even AEW.
@@christopheramaro333 nice but it’s pretty obvious since about mid August the more positive reviews have been about AEW to WWE
I think its legitimate, because if you really listen to Cornette, even if you disagree with him, you'll respect his knowledge of the business.
Jim would probably be the most valuable acquisition that AEW can make right now. And like many said already, you can clearly notice that AEW is listening to what Jim is saying.
Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? Tony listens to Jim's opinions on the podcast, but isn't obligated to listen to them and doesn't have to pay him a dime.
Lol" A paradox is not a place where you can park 2 boats." Jim is always quick witted on this show. I would have loved to listen to those old recordings.
A couple of weeks ago Jim C. said that CM Punk should enter a program with Team Tazz, who is criminally underused / misused. Now look...... Someone's listening.....
Punk had already said he wanted to go through Starks and Hobbs weeks before.
i honestly think we all should bury this imaginary hatchet between AEW Fans & Jim Cornette listeners because a lot of them are the same and a lot of them just want to see the product getting better
You're looking at one of them right here. I may not always agree with everything Jim says, but I give him respect for the decades he has spent devoting so much of his life to this business. I think TK understands that as well.
Besides, with how shit WWE has become, and how AEW has caught more fire than anyone as outside competition since WCW (sorry TNA), I'm rooting for AEW not because I want WWE to fail or die, but because I want pro wrestling to still thrive and still matter even in today's wave of societal bullshit.
This!!!
To me, he needs to apologize to Tyson Smith first. He keeps going on how horrible he is. The man was a champion in a major popular pro wrestling promotion. I must say this too. I love Malenko, Benoit, Guererro, Ultimo Dragon, Steamboat, Flair, all of them. I also liked Kenny's matches a lot in Japan. Whatever Cornette sees wrong in them are his opinions. I hated when Omega left NJPW. I do think though in AEW he got way worse. He can't be in charge, and he needs a Tanahashi type to yes tell him some of his stuff is dumb. I just hate Cornette's attacks on him for no reason. Even now, even with his bad ideas unleashed in AEW he can still be fun to watch.
@@dodesskiy1 Fuck Tyson Smith. Jim hasn't done anything to Omega, except scramble to find a replacement when he was unprofessional.
@@yourgrammarisnotverygood1827 really calling omega names is nothing huh
Forget Cornystein, Jim should bite TK like Dracula so TK could do whatever Corny says.
When is Jim going to talk about the AEW spray tan problem? Callis has exceeded Trump level orange since All Out, especially his head and face. 2.0 looked absolutely ridiculous last night, and we've been seeing this off and on for months with the Bucks, Cassidy, and others. Have my wife and I been the only ones laughing at bad spray tan every Wednesday? Jim needs to talk about it so that Tony Khan can see it.
Now thats a problem
He called Callis a bottle of peptobismol.
@@joshuaDstarks Pepto is pink. Jim was making fun of his suit. His skin is orange. Nothing about Pepto says orange.
@@jaydav6521 oh, guess I need to watch AEW to see if it’s pink sun burn or orange bad tan. 🤷🏻♂️
@@joshuaDstarks his skin isn't pink, it's orange. His skin isn't burned it's clearly spray painted.
I've been waiting for this.
Hey you are here! 🤣
I respect Jim Cornette's intellectual honesty and integrity. He says things as he sees them regardless of who gets needlessly offended.
Yeah because calling Omega gay and twinkle toes constantly, and the women useless is "calling it like he sees it". Fuck outta here
@@matthewnewman6039 thank you for proving the point of my initial comment. People who get easily hurt and offended by words.
yeah, he’s made a lot of great points about the product, but the homophobic, racist comments are what really get him some heat
@@bruggytee The word homophobic gets thrown around willy-nilly these days.
@@Bestline7 OK now justify him calling for rape and death on Omega and the young bucks. I dare you
Any smart wrestling company promoter or booker would listen to this podcast. Jim gives away gold advice on how to run a show just to show how it should be done. He’s the business’ greatest historian. Why WOULDN’T you tune in?
But then why has Jim failed/been fired every time he's ever been put in a management role in a wrestling promotion?
And it's a serious question. I'm not trying to slam Jim. Obviously I'm here listening to him too. I find him entertaining. I think he cuts a great promo. I think he was a great on-screen personality. But honestly, what in his history tells you that he has the key to the long term successful booking and growth of a major wrestling program?
He's had more success than Russo
@@davecarsley8773 Not to sound like an apologist but most of his firings have been due to him hating the place/ppl he had to work with, mainly Russo. You can single out SMW as his major failure but which company didnt go to shit at the time anyways?
What made the attitude era was not only crash tv BS by Russo. It was the talent on top but also the brilliant booking minds behind it. Ross and Cornette had been said to be major contributors in the booking comitee meetings.
Cornette can, and should be, credited for the success of the homegrown talent on the ruthless aggression era, aka the big 4: Cena, Lesnar, Orton, Batista thanks to OVW.
@@davecarsley8773 with the exception of Vince McMahon who in the wrestling business hasn’t been shut down or fired?? Hell prior to wrestlemania 1 Vince was on the verge of collapse. So is crocket a failure? What about heyman?
Keep Janela/Kiss, Big Swole,Luther,Dark Order off TV and we are good. That's coming from an Aew fan too!
Dark Order was good as heels like before Mr Brodie Lee came in. They were dark like a cult and not goofing around like now.
Luchasaurus has gotta go, too.
We need Jim Cornette in All Ellite Wrestling! We really need him! Not necessary at the top of the booking or management, but certainly we need him in All Ellite Wrestling! It was really wholesome to see Tony Khan praising Jim Cornette and acknowledging his value.
Let's be honest, the AEW guy sends a big enough cheque in the post and Jim's on the next flight ha ha
Jim Cornette is the final person behind the forbidden door.
Deep words from Tony. The key thing to remember here is that he is still learning. And what Khan has done thus far has been pretty darn good. Be patient and give the guy a break.
This aged like milk
Hell is halfway frozen over LOL
“You’ve never seen him with a Bunsen burner..” 😂😂😂
Everything Jim mentioned about learning is exactly what Tony Khan is doing- there just isn't a Bill Watts or Dory Funk around AEW to advise. And despite this, there is no such thing as only one way to do anything. Even if that practice is widely used or common. Personal bias is always inappropriate.
Listening to this in January 2024 is crazy as Jim said they had a chance IF they pivoted from their "current" track...
and Tony didn't *FUCKING LISTEN*
“That’s not two doctors, that’s not two places to park your boat”
My love and respect for Tony and AEW continues to grow! I love that Tony is humble enough to pay respect to Jim Cornette.
My only problem with what Jim said is “the only way to really learn is to try and fail” but Tony can’t try and fail? It doesn’t make sense in that regard
This is funny when I see a lot of AEW fanboys just shitting on Jim for being so mean and cruel to their favorite wrestler I like Jim and I like watching AEW sometimes and people just know him as the angry guy who doesn't like Kenny and the bucks so they assume he's just baselessly shitting on AEW when in reality he does give them marks when they are good and pokes fun at the dumb shit he's actually critical of the content which every TV Show NEEDS to evolve
To me he is mixed; sometimes he has good ideas, sometimes bad ideas. I do enjoy dynamite and while it has areas to improve, is a very fine wrestling show.So I am biased. However, you can see both sides and try to understand the logic of the situation
“And I like watching AEW” you lost me there.
Lets be honest he kinda chilled a little bit after Bobby Eaton died. I'm an AEW fan, but like many I agree with more than a few of his critiques. The reality that he needs to come to is the Wrestling Buisness as he's known it to be is dead. The main reason its dead is because the world has changed that much. If the internet, social media and streaming outlets were around in the 80's the buisiness wouldn't have been able to operate as it did back then. Mainly because there would be more options to watch in general. Being a Wrestling fan is a niche thing in overall these days no matter what promotion one supports. However, I will say that Jim Cornette's opinion is necessary and appreciated by those who know and understand the true value of it.
He called Penelope a Prostitute ofc people dislike him
Jim always has a good perspective. I wont always agree with him, but there is always something to learn. Im 40 and grew up on Jim.
"I had no idea, and nobody could've had the idea that suddenly Vince McMahon was gonna lose his mind".
What? SUDDENLY, Jim? Vince has been off the deep end from the time he bought WCW, and it's been getting steadily worse every single year. The guy turned the WWE title into a Fisher Price toy 16 YEARS AGO.
“When he said the way I debuted Punk was better than the way he would do it, that it was perfect? Well that is true. And it’s totally fair to say that.” - Worlds Best and Most Humble Wtestling Booker in the World,
HumiliTony Khan.
Jim just go book AEW for tony already
You want to ruin the product?
@Old Man Cornette would've made that segment way too crowded.
@Old Man could you imagine his weekly Zoom meeting with Tony, Punk, Cody, the Bucks and Omega?
@Old Man His suggestions sucked. He wanted more refs, Griff to come in super late, and Pillman to get laid out. Just awful
@@matthewnewman6039 he wanted it to feel organic more than anything.
Travis’s thumbnail art is always genius
One last time, when AEW started they had to use who was available, the beginnings of every wrestling promotion usually sucks. AEW has improved greatly. It’s improved so much that I no longer have to watch WWE
The “kukumonga kids” gets me all the time lol
At this point, im willing to bet TK reads your actual comments and everything on here. I recently watched an aew match it was a women's tag thunder rosa someone else vs britt baker and someone else and they had rebel with them, cut a promo before the match calling rebel Reba the entire time
Dr. Britt has called Rebel Reba since they were put together. That has nothing to do with Cornette.
@@shawndraven2703 28 others disagree
I think that's exactly what Khan is doing. Listening to criticism and changing the product slowly over time. The TYB's and Kenny helped get the ball rolling, they brought in fans who liked them, but the company is growing beyond them, and as it grows, they won't have as big a presence, and the show will change because of it.
@@xymoriintus They can disagree all they want, it doesn't make what I said less true lol
@@xymoriintus I'm really surprised 34 people had any idea what you are even getting at. It doesn't really read like you're saying anything.
his gasp made me erupt in laughter lol.
Tony understands that Jim is OOOG so he takes all of what Jim says as coaching simple as that folks.
Corny as CM Punk's manager against the entire aew roster = GOLD
…and here. we. go!!!
Watch out Jim he is trying to slow roll you into taking over the book lol.
You picked up on that too?? 😏
@@juniorlee9341 absolutely
His drop in tone is so funny " here's the problem "
You know when Russo heard this he went through the roof! Bischoff too!
Anyone else notice how after corney makes suggestions on how to improve a segment, a week later you see it on dynamite. Lol it's obvious TK listens to the podcast
I hate AEW right now. I also hated WCW during Jim Herd's run and the WWF during the New Generation era. I fell in love with both again during the Monday Night Wars. if Tony Khan listens to the right people he can definitely turn AEW around. I'm glad to hear that he's at least open to other people's ideas, understands his product isn't perfect, and can use a lot of improving. I wish I could say the same about WWE.
I died when he said “let everybody participate “ lol
Listening to this again and chuckling at the thought of how mad Meltzer must’ve been
This is probably the most complimentary Jim's been about Kenny Omega aka Twinkle Toes McFingerbang 😂
I think Jim would be an EXCELLENT addition!! Talking about ratings spike!
lol no
@@MaskedAvenger13 😂😂😂
5:35 " *PAIR A' DOCKS!* " 🤣 It shouldn't have been that funny. It really shouldn't. Corny being corny is a treat on this day.
AEW has wrestling. WWE never fucking has any matches on their fuck ass program.
Also, I knew Khan would reply this way. Wholesome stuff right here. Warms my heart.
Lol that thumbnail
As Jim starts ranting in this video I can't help but think "AEW would hire you and learn from you Corny. It's obvious. It's OBVIOUS Tony would do that! You just need to leave the house once in a while or pickup the phone! You'd get to manage FTR!"
Tony already tried to get Cornette.
@@joshuaDstarks I am aware
@@MattAlbie you sure?
@@joshuaDstarks he literally mentions speaking with Tony before AEW in this very video. YOU SURE you watched it...?
@@MattAlbie no...that’s what I’m telling you. Khan called Cornette trying to court him for AEW, two years ago, and he declined.
He’s already picked up said phone and done said dance. Your comment is as moot as a comment could be.
Have you watched?
Listened?
With the audio on?
Do you have ears?
Jim is actually the owner of AEW but Tony Khan is his stand-in Ra's Ah Gul style
This was surely one of THE BEST commentaries that Jim Cornette has ever presented, and I swear that no one has presented a more accurate assessment of Tony Kahn and AEW, period! Is there ANYONE who has as deep and comprehensive an understanding of wrestling than does the great Jim Cornette? I seriously doubt it! 👏👍😊