*WARNING* NEVER DO THIS ON YOUR AUDI S6/S7 4.0T!
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Good thing they just sent out the oil screen recall. Took them 5 days at the dealership to finish my C7.5 S7. Hoping that it solves the turbo failure issue.
Really good content man! Following all your videos now.
Picked up my c7 RS6 last year. Audi replaced the oil screen as a recall and I've heard the PCV can mess up too so I asked them to replace that at the same time. Good piece of mind 😊
Great content! Thanks for sharing and much appreciated!
I'm looking at a really nicely priced S7 I'd love to mod this car. Your channel is an inspiration.
I’m doing the same bro , I’ve done a lot researching I am for sure going to grab it as it is my dream car and eventually we will all be electric ( I’m joking i know it’s not that soon but still.) but I’m wondering since they had recalls … will the S7 we are looking to buy have been serviced from those recalls already ?? Especially since we are buying firm a dealership … well I am .
I also wonder how we can skip alll stages and immediately go to stage 3 and we never got any other tune done first
Update? You get it?
The RPM of my Audi s7 goes up and down when I stop at a traffic light in neutral or in P, what would be the main causes?
Audi is now recalling S6-S7 and other 4.0 t for replacing oil screen 👏👍. By mid summer 2022 parts should be at Audi dealerships to start fixing these cars and stop the turbo failing issue.
Yup, already got my recall letter.
@@ezaudi2299 they already did mine I have a 2013 s8
They call me to replaced , 2015 mod. S6
So they still do that after years of the car being released
I was sooo scared of my turbos blowing up …but now i feel alot better since getting the recall done lol
how hard is it to service and access the turbo oil screen? and if it is hard, couldn't you buy some aftermarket setup to install a oil screen bypass? In aviation, they use a calibrated spring, and if oil pressure increases due to a clog, the backpressure overpressures the calibrated spring, allowing oil to bypass around the oil pump at the clog. I'm wondering if there's some aftermarket device that would allow you to do that for these audi's
It's a very involved job to remove the oil screen. You can simply remove it or remove it and install the serviceable oil feed line relocation kits. Totally up to you!
I have a 2017 c7.5 S6. Stage 1 APR tuned for about a year and a half now and about 20k miles. Car has 67k miles now. No issues yet runs great thankfully so far. I do castrol 5w40 full synthetic every 3k miles to keep the oil as clean as possible and have had the car since about 45k miles, plus had all records of consistent previous maintainance that was done since beginning of vehicles life. I have to think this makes difference with oil screen clog but can't be certain. I did not have any oil screen preventative work done. If turbos go I'll just replace them. Already got the recall letter in the mail as well.
Sounds clean and well maintained! For watching
@@savagepandaprojects right on
Thoughts on an oil catch kit? the driver side turbo being black concerns me.
As far as I know we haven't really installed them on the 4.0T
I’m new to all this , but as I prepare to purchase an s7 2017/18 I’ve done a lot of research and wanted to tune it … I see here you say skip everything and go all the way to stage 3 …
1. What is the oil screen and what video do I watch to know what you’re talking about
2. How do I know or check the health of my turbos when I’m looking to purchase this vehicle in the next 9 months ..
3. Since I’ve searched and realize there’s been a recall on them from 2013-2017 .. should the vehicle have been serviced by Audi since the recall was worldwide ? I know there is a way to check it as I’ve searched it up as well.
Awesome stuff man. I have a 2016 s7 stage 1 APR and I didn’t change the oil screen. Put 30k miles on the car but haven’t driven it too hard. Am I screwed lol?
Not necessarily. I mean the OEM turbos do have a high failure rate so I wouldn't beat yourself up over it lol Just like I tell everyone else be mindful that replacement is just part of owning these cars. It's really a straightforward process. This also creates an opening to upgrade as well :)
Good info. I have the factory 3.0t supercharged b8.5 s5, but its still low mileage.. building it for now, but once Ive had my fun Im probably doing the s8 4.0t swap. Word is 034 might be making a swap kit for it.
Stage 1 s4 makes 450 hp
And stage 3 makes around 550-600 why would you swap it
@@RG-mt6is at the crank :/ a stage 2 dual pulley v6 makes around 450-500 at the wheels.
@@RG-mt6is the 4.0t can make much larger numbers + turbos. The s5 is limited to around 500-550 at the wheels tops with everything on the market as of now fully ported and everything.. kind of limited by the supercharger/internals/iets.
Svarog performance(on UA-cam) has done some 4.0 swaps. He's in the states and has done a B8.5 S4 and S5. One is a manual too I think👀. I got my S7, but the S5 with a 4.0 would be an amazing drag car and it could take corners damn well👀
I got an a4 b5 and am looking at doing a swap. Im not sure as of yet if i should go 4.0 or 4.2 yet. I have the 1.8t (ATW) 5 speed quattro as of right now. Im gonna ride that engine till it dies, but want to start prepping the new setup
A note to all you fellow C7 owners. I took mine in the shop (Audi dealer) for a suspention issue and she informed me the turbo waranty has been extended by Audi to 120,000 miles or 10 years. I have a '13 S6. So something to ask if your turbos go out and you're not going RS swap. I'm at 118,500 so it probably won't do me any good, lol.
In the meantime change oil early, I do every 5k and do a periodic oil flush to keep that screen clean. I used liquimoly at about 90miles and it made brand new oil look like the 5k stuff in 15 minutes.
Good to know! Glad Audi us stepping into help support the community
Does this carry over to next owners, I’m the third owner of my 2014 Audi S7 would the turbo warranty apply for me?
@@SirDeathstroke Call the dealer and inquire. I can't say for sure but I'd think it would.
Side note: Front lower reaward arms from the factory have bad bushings. Powerflex makes a polyurethane for that arm that is fantastic! Much more precise steering and suspention feel. Well worth the upgrade.
@@datsuntoyy I actually just had those replaced by the dealer….
Also would I void that warranty if my car was stage 2
Great, informative videos! I’ve read that DSG is a weak point for going stage1+ on 4.0T S6… do you ever see clutch/transmission failures from built S6’s or are the turbos likely to go first? Considering for a 14k ‘18 S6 in the UK 😁
Thanks for checking it out. Yes the DSG is a weak point when you compare it to the stronger ZF8 transmission found in the S8/RS7. Good news is there are clutch upgrades available from SRM.
@@savagepandaprojects have u ever saw a transmission swap DSG to ZF8? Jus curious if it can even be done?
@@nigels6786 Has been done. Far from easy but doable.
Honestly I have never heard of a DSG failure. Not saying they don't, but If I've never heard of one failing then it can't be all that often. I'm at 120k and stage 1 since about 70k. I drive it hard.
@@datsuntoyy It's quite common unfortunately. I've seen many already. Mine is at 115k miles and still holding okay
Is there a simple upgraded clutch pack for the sag? Or while your in there just build the whole trans?
SRM has a clutch basket upgrade
@@savagepandaprojects thanks for the response not bad at $1800. I think the biggest thing is gonna be finding someone to install.
Hi Savage, i own an audi s6 2013 and i want to know if you can recommend what i should do about to avoid turbos failure, i saw some videos but i dont really know how many things i need to do to make the car running safe with the OEM turbos. the car have 48k miles and i think about remove the oil screen but my question is what else i need to change or replace to running well with OEM turbos. (no stages)
thanks in advance & i hope you can help me with your feedback.
Regards!!
Hello Diego! Yes lots to cover here. Main priority is getting your oil screen TSB done. Turbo failure is very common on these cars so would always budget for that as they may have some play in them and not be covered under warranty/recall. There is another recall for the PCV/oil separator as well so check with your local Audi dealer to see if your car has an open recall(s) for these issues. From a labor standpoint regardless if your dealing with a dealership recall, it would most efficient to have all of these done at the same time (oil screen removal, PCV, turbos, etc) I have a separate video covering my full stage 3 build so be sure to check that out :)
Do you have to go with rs7 turbos? Can you go with something bigger ? Maybe spool up close to 800hp? Are there other options
You can certainly go bigger if your budget allows. I would be prepared to upgrade the clutch to handle the torque as the DSG is the weak point on this platform. 800hp for sure gonna need it.
How well does the DCT handle big turbos? What part goes first?
At this power level it's not an issue. These oem rs7 turbos still pretty small.
Hey man! Love the content, I went IE stage 1 ecu and tcu 3 days ago on my 103k original turbo 13 s6 for kicks and wiggles, today during a WOT pull my EPC light came on and I’m sure it was Probably a misfire so going to get scanned tomorrow, but mean time I just ordered a cooler but what do you recommend for turbos? I was thinking SRM +4 or JHM RS7-R turbos and was wondering who you thought, but 100% agree if you are going to do it just go stage 3 the car needs 80% of the parts replaced anyways might as well make them better while you are in there!
Thanks man! Really appreciate the support. Sounds like you are definitely in the market for some new turbos lol I have seen plenty of welll satisfied customers running JHM turbos with APR stage 3 software. Haven't driven a +4 SRM car but they are also popular. For that you would need to run DS1 software. Probably along with the SRM dsg tune. I'm sure that would be a formidable package!
Did you check your plugs? Usually tunes require certain spark plug changes and gaps.. if you have the wrong plugs or gap it can definitely cause misfires under load.
What happened
Thanks to Savage Panda Projects for the information. I own a 2016 RS7 stage 2 which was purchased with all work done, at 28,000 miles. This car flies at 42,000 miles now. I added a K&N air filter. Also, replaced those heavy stock wheels with HRE aluminum alloy monoblocks. The wheels reduced unsprung weight probably 10lb or more per wheel. The wheels are polished gold, which admirers claim "those wheels really make it pop". The car is red which is a good contrast with gold. The K&N and wheels together made the felt acceleration much greater. However, the DOWN PIPES made the biggest power gain, excluding stage ONE. Wheels are third on power gain. Note stock turbo's. Stage one is likely; timing advance, richening the fuel mixture and most important increasing the BOOST. Stage II, APR downpipes. The car is ready to produce a lot of gases and needs to exit through downpipes. The downpipes offer more power than your cat back systems however, add the cat-back if you have the $$$. Also, don't forget the all important X-pipe. This cheap mod increases torque and like downpipes sounds great through the exhausts. X-pipes is mfg. by APR. Additionally, a word about maintenance CHANGE YOUR OIL and FILTER every 3000-5000 miles and watch for oil losses and replace ASAP. IMO Audi would love to sell you a new car after yours expires after doing 10,000 mi. oil changes on your old car. They don't want your car to last to 300,000 mi. If you do frequent oil changes, you don't need to worry about the OIL SCREEN ISSUE. If the history of your car is unknown, make a judgement call, which should not include prophylactically changing your TURBO'S. Remember, increasing power is more about making several changes that produce a synergism of effects. Stage I II and III is only one way to go about it. The warranty extension on the turbo's to 120,000 miles and 10 years is correct. I received the letter in the mail from Audi the other day. Check with your dealer for details because I believe this is not an open ended deal. It probably does not include all causes of turbo failure.@@savagepandaprojects
@@garypostelwait6172 downpipes don’t make any power gains on this platform. Been proven numerous times. Specifically for sound
Curious to know what is the average price to upgrade the turbos or replace them with oem turbos
Try going through audi extended warranty first! :)
i found mine at svt turbo.. and they are upgraded rs7 turbos with better oil cooling... which is why these are boosting 29.2 on stage 4
looking for audi a8 d4 any suggestion? 3.0 ea837 4.0t ea824 , which is better? much reliable and easy to mantaince?
Id stay away from the A8 personally. The 3.0l SC motors are ok but they are very limited in terms of upgradability compared to the 4.0T. They also suffer from oil consumption issues as well.
You would make a great voice actor/ narrator.
So basically, if im interested in buying a pre-owned 4.0T, I need to make sure the turbos have been changed or new, OR the oil screen has been replaced? Or do you just recommend staying away from the 4.0T all together? I dont want to purchase a vehicle then have to put a bunch of money into it.
Yeah unless your comfortable and fully prepared to spend thousands and thousands of dollars in maintenance and repairs I would not get into this platform. Some have had oil screen replaced under factory recall but the stock turbos on these cars fail so often regardless of the screen was or wasn't replaced you need to anticipate they will need to get done as well.
Watch out for oil screen, turbos, PCV, motor mounts, air suspension, etc. I did a separate video about this too. Hope that helps.
@@savagepandaprojects I appreciate you for the reply and all the information. I think I'll pass on it. Thank you again!
What’s the best TURBO set up for a 2013 S8?
Nowadays I'm seeing many people going with TS1s and all supporting mods
People are running 2000+ hp with the almost the same dsg on twin turbo ugr r8’s. There are clutch upgrades and there are axle upgrades. To suit everyone’s horsepower needs
R8 definitely going to be sturdier out of the box but yes there are fortunately aftermarket upgrades!
So does the 2014 Audi s8 4.0t have the same engine as this car?
Yes also shares many of the same components being another 4.0T car. There are some differences between the 4.0T in the S6/S7/A8 vs S8/RS7. One of the main differences being lower compression ratio.
Do you have any suggestions for a7’s
Yeah I'd stay away from them. Very prone to oil consumption. Extremely limited aftermarket support on crec models 16+ YM
for the extended warranty (120k/10 years) Do the turbos need to fail first or can we ask audi to replace them even if they still work for free?
Would suggest starting by contacting your local audi dealership for more details. I would think they would replace them proactively to prevent the car from being inoperable. Thanks
I E is good, but they only work with stock turbos, BUT they do in fact offer Stage 2.
Would be excited to see them release software for upgraded turbos eventually!
@@savagepandaprojects I'm not that patient, I ordered DS1
I have an S6 with 110k miles....been APR stage 2 since 40k miles and the only thing ii have ever replaced was 1 motor mount.. i use only amsoil oil and replace every 5k miles, and do all my services religiously. Stick get on it pretty often
Those stock turbos must be holding on for dear life! Lol 😆
They can keep holding on haha.
I know this vid is 1yo but, I am in the market trading in my '14 A6 for '14 S7 with 51K Miles. I did see there was a recall on the oil strainer. Is that the same as the "oil screen"?
Manufacturer Safety Recall issued
NHTSA #22V178
Recall #21H7 OIL STRAINER
Status: Remedy Available
Locate an authorized Audi dealer to obtain more information about this recall
That is correct same thing...the recall definitely helps put new buyers mind at ease for this!
@@savagepandaprojects Thank you for confirming. I have just submitted my purchase for '14 S7 Prestige .... {giggly}
What model year did Audi fix oil screen issue?
Some later c7.5 models had the revised screen, however this inherently is a design flaw as you can still run into problems so the best course of action is to eliminate the screen/ install oil feed line relocation kit.
@@savagepandaprojects what’s a fair price to do that?
@@smm7540 check out my 4.0T cost breakdown video 😀
The problem with the turbos is found in models prior to 2016, that is, those from 2012-2015 that come with 420hp. In 2016 they already fixed it.
Did somebody say IE (starts schilling frantically)
Oh no here comes all the IE fan boys🤣
@@savagepandaprojects haha.. leave us alone bro.
Seems like no one love the s8. I'm looking to get something nice comfortable and fast. Came across the s8 on car guru and 2013-2015 with 50-100k miles only like 25k. For 520 hp? I just take this to a tuner and try to bullet proof it? Sounds like it can't get more perfect.
S8 is a gem, if you find a clean one, go for it. Very capable cars.
@@savagepandaprojects how capable? Stock they are just what I want from a car. Fast, and luxurious. I LOVE luxury. I've heard they can be pretty unreliable, how would I obtain one and keep it out of the shop? How could I beat on it stock and it not break?
These screens were recalled this year, I think 26k 4.0t’s
Yeah if you get one of these cars definitely try to have repairs done under warranty recall!
Everything is cool bro but use Motul not liquid Molly
Great product as well!
Oil screen recall by Audi.
The problem with the turbos is found in models prior to 2016, that is, those from 2012-2015 that come with 420hp. In 2016 with the 450hp version Audi already fixed it.
Revised the oil screen but it's still a flawed design. Long term solution is to eliminate it all together
@@savagepandaprojects how is it long term without those oil screens? Will it be safe after turbo upgrades
They revised the oil screens for the mid-2017 model year. Still nowhere near good. Issues are still present with the oil screen clogging and pcv getting stuck open. Just swap to RS7, TS1, or SRM +4mm and throw out the oil screen and replace the pcv while you're already that deep. That's what I ended up doing. Ole 4.0 is still going strong.
@@nigels6786 Turbo oil screens are basically useless. If you have debris that big passing through into your turbos, you have more issues than just oil buildup😂. With that being said, I don't run my screen and I know plenty of others that don't run it either. Put 40k on my S7 since the screen delete/new turbos and it's had ZERO issues thus far.
Wow you guys really install confidence about this product. I was looking at getting a s7 2017 or newer. But if turbos are going a out before 100k miles I'm just not interested in footing those bills. Lol water pumps, thermostats, turbos, transmission shift linkages valve bodies, high oil consumption, sludge. Sounds like a literal nightmare. Why would anyone want to buy this pos?
Very expensive platform to build man! Definitely want to bring light to these things so people know what they are getting into. Lol
Almost every car platform has issues. For the most part these cars are very reliable. A lot of people online try to scare people with all this negative stuff but it really is all about how you maintain the car.
Just bought a 2016 with 38k miles. And found out that audi has an extended warranty on the turbos that are good 120k miles or 10 years.
turbos are not a big deal at all... you can find em for 400$ if you know where to look and the install in literally 2-3hrs tops and its fun... ive done it 3xs now... i have a blast building this platform
@@williamroberts4189 Where are you finding turbos for $400? I just bought an s6 and I haven’t begun modding it yet.
Hmm, why I don't plan on tuning. Just did Spark plugs, coil packs, oil change, DSG flush and Brake Flush.
What I'm considering next, dealer said brakes are worn to 6mm. ($1,000).
Removal of oil screen and PCV Replacement. Quoted ($3,000).
Yep! German cars are certainly not the cheapest to maintain, gotta pay to play!
FCP Euro has a brake+rotor kit for the S6/7 for the front and back that cost $1200 USD. Zimmerman rotors and Forledo pads I think. They're pretty decent. If you want brake pads that make less brake dust, I'd look into the EBC Red Stuff pads on FCP Euros sight as well. I'm switching to those pads in a month or so, but from what I've heard is they're pretty similar to oem for wear/durability.
@@jeron8066 yup, doing zimmerman and red stuff putting them on this thursday.
Mine is a 3.9t
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Shame how audi charges so much for these cars and make them as shit
Bummer indeed! Gotta have some deep pockets for these cars
U forgot a8
can also be a good platform as well :)