What If We Gave Kleber A 9km Radar? - Gdansk First Impressions
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How I see this is Harugumo and Kleber had a baby, but it was raised by uncle Smaland
Buddy WG for once did something "right" as Poland before ww2 have orderd from France 2 Burrasque dd , then 2 dd from UK Blyskawica & Grom , and before start of ww2 Poland started to build 2 more Blyskawica destroyers , and there was plans to build larger destroyers with France , but after war Poland fall in to soviet zone , so instead Poland got soviet dd ... and plans that Polish navy had before war where grand , 14 destroyers , 6 cruisers and 4 battleships .
Bruh who hurt you
Lmao
@@adammarcinkowski-ko3elhave a nice day
So a Kleber with marceau reload/permanent kleber reload booster and Radar+Smoke...
Yeah im sure normal Saturation, slightly higher freeboard and 1 less gun should make that balanced
Sea-lice had no problem with it........WG balanz.
Well. She is quite bigger and has waay worse speed and I think worse rudder. And no AP to punish Broadside. But she gets smoke + radar so busted beyond any measure regardless
Marceau has 25k more dpm... also this has no ap, big downside. but yea this is pretty powerful especially with the 2nd highest fire per min.
@@xyonix5193 But Marceau has difficult time to hit due to bad balistic while this thing has Delny/Kleber balistic.
Can’t wait to get this one.
Aww, she's named after my city
it makes complete sense, because C in wargaming stands for Consistency
It's not really true. We have other ships names like Ślązak or Kaszub that come from polish subcultures, and there are ships named after animals - Kormoran, Mewa, Orzeł etc.
There are also ship names that come after cities, though these are usually transporters/sea mine ships (Lublin, Toruń, Kraków).
I would say that only the most famous ships are named after weather conditions, and these are only the three you've pointed out.
And since we don't have a "high tier" ship in Poland it makes sense that its name comes after a weather condition but I am not particularly mad about using a coastal city for the name. I would prefer something like a geographical region like Kaszuby or and animal like Żubr (Just like a name of a famous polish beer!)
@@AdamWieczorek-Vetinari I agree, modern standards for naming ships are completely different, but wargaming specifically mentioned 30's as the time period this destroyer was 'planned' to be completed, thus they should stick (again, consistancy!!!) to the historic formula; from the official Wiki:
[...] Poland designed the "crusader" ship class-large destroyers that would be capable of taking on even light cruisers. In the late 1930s, several projects for such ships were being considered in Gdynia.
PS. I completely agree with You, Żubr sounds amazing for a tier X ship
Ok buddy Gdansk was "free city" there was Polish post office there ! , and they fought fought valiantly against nazi ... before ww2 Poland named destroyers after weather conditions , but after ww2 two last Polish destroyers was named ORP Warszawa ... and as a Pole I am happy they named T10 DD Gdansk ... not Danzig in German line , they did such stunt with Elbing = Elblag , or Pommern that is pomorze and is mostly in Poland .
(BTW there was one battleship named after Polish city SMS Posen ...)
@@adammarcinkowski-ko3el Idk, it makes sense for German ships to have a German name. Polish ship would be Lwów, not Lviv, and it would be Kopernik, not Copernicus.
And I think that it's not really important if a paper ship has proper name, historical accuracy should be limited to historical ships, and then it should be limited to when gameplay is not broken by it. Imagine having a modern ship with like 2 "Phalanx" AA guns - even if they would do much damage, but would be destroyed by first 2 shells that hit them, leaving ship completely defenseless. The same way ships that historically had no ASW or high caliber. should have ASW or high caliber if it makes them more fun or fair or playable.
And by the same logic I think it's more important that a ship has a cool name, than if it's accurate or plausible (Puerto Rico is probably the least plausible name for an Alaska-class ship but it's more cool than Hawaii for example - but still should be Oregon), so Gdańsk fits me perfectly - although still, huge missed opportunity of a Żubr beer crossover like they do with transformers or azur lane.
After all, Wargaming's Cinematic Universe is a cool place - nations still using real warships in current year instead of spawncamping everyone with nuclear submarines - much better gameplay.
seems like smalland will finally be playable in upcoming clanwars again if this goes live
Nah, smalland is still pretty busted with second highest gun dpm of dd's in-game and supersonic long range torps but I do agree this thing is pretty broken too
Yeah, they made Yodo and they made this. Hard to believe the balance team is the same group of people.
I guess they are always drunk
Also responsible for the monnstrosity that is St. Vincent
Reading your post I can't believe you can play, PR1000 or less I bet... :D I often find myself destroying Marceau, for example, with shimakaze cannons, because it gets into a fight at too long a distance, and shimakaze, has much faster projectiles and more powerful guns. And as we know, we don't win by reload time, but by hitting the target :D So shima needs a cannon nerf?:D On the 2nd battle, you can also see how a Z-52 in smoke is destroyed from a torpedo (with hydro!). Maybe it needs to be improved e.g. hopping under the spacebar key? Preferably automatic, because the tomatoes won't do anything anyway, they'll just shoot their beak from the AP at the battleship :D
@@vito74m if the Marceau player does not have a skill issue i wouldnt be that easy. I played almost 400 games on Atlanta and i always build dds like this into range monsters with 16,5km range and have no problem hitting at all. I did it on Friesland and Marceau
@@rekitheplayer8793 I'll take the kleber and show me how from atlanta you hit me :D
Well, and 400 battles is as much as nothing.
And show me the link, I'll see the stats on your Atlanta:) And if klebez too strong, I'll take Blyskawica...
In the distance, kleber will play the marceau. Talk about a good player. Or I Delny you marceau? and the number of battles is not an indicator of skill, you can have 20k and still have pr 900.
So WG made a smoke, radar, HE spammer, because the game needs more radar and HE spam.
I like your easy conversational, yet extemporaneous style. I’m in one of my WoW rest periods (and started playing WoT instead). This is probably going to make me come back to grind for this pig. Haha, thx Potato. Sub!
with the radar being so short in duration the rest of your team won't get a lot of use from it. it is 5 or 10 seconds before they will see you and then have to turn guns, and if they are loaded, they might, maybe get 1 quick snapshot before the radar dies. this means it is you versus them but only for a few shots if they remain calm and don't panic fire and enlarge their bloom. but it will be enough to control a cap and keep the enemy DDs away due to the radar threat, at least until counter play is figured out.
it's a 3 second delay (unless WG changed it very recently) and the ship shows instantly on mini map, aim from the mini map for first volley and it's a moot point.
I was wondering when you would notice it doesnt have AP xD "Lets try the AP, maybe against something like Colbert"
I really appreciate your videos, the demeanor and information is definitely best in class for WoWs content. You, Tina, and Stasha are all I need. As a new player, I was wondering if you’d be willing to create a “how to marketplace,” video? I don’t even know what I’d do if I even put money into this game. Like, is it worth having a premium account? Or battle pass? What’s actually worth getting with the doubloons, which seems to be the only thing I could buy with real money? No coal or steel?
easy: do not spend a dime on this game. money spend in games should have some sort of payback in fun, this game nowadays not only is not fun it is frustrating at best thus imo deserves 0 money spent. your average 60% WR 5-6 years playing this game noob in case you want to validate my opinion
I think the short answer is the only thing worth money if you _realllllllly_ want to spend it is premium time.
Definitely not the battle pass or any containers. Maybe maybe a specific ship after you have played quite a bit and know you want to have a high tier credit/captain farmer and see one you like.
Coal you get moderately quickly from daily containers and steel you get slowly from playing ranked.
The second battle was a loss because the Balao decided to not help hunt the sub. The best defense against subs is other subs hunting them, and then ASW, etc. support from teammates. But that all starts with subs hunting subs.
So much radar turning up, makes it extremely difficult to play DD unless you take one of them. 😕
Seems interesting. Need to see how it works in action 😅
Regarding fast reload for the 5.5in...the _Mogadors_ were known to have sub-par electrical systems, that were supposed to be improved in upgrades (which were never done). As well as be completely replaced in the follow-up class (_Klebers?_). So for a _Mogador_-like vessel with post-war upgrades to have improved RoF is normal.
I really wish they would not slap radar onto everything.. there is no counterplay.. maybe introduce scramblers or smth that can to a certain extent counter radar? it is just so anti fun when you q ranked and 4 ships have radar
Agree, more radars is a poor WG move, however to make it stealth radars is just stupid of WG for a gunboat like this.
Dazzle skill. It needs a buff though, like +50% dispersion if radar'd.
And balance goes clean out of the window... well done weegee...
The radar render time will make this less effective in CBs and KOTS. What would be quite powerful would be to pair this up with stealthy DD or a Ragnar for the initial spotting and then use the 9km radar to finish the dd off.
In CB you call out your radar prior to using it, hopefully. Additionally it's a 3 second delay and the ship shows instantly on mini map, aim from the mini map for first volley and it's a moot point.
I like the comments about subs in second game
I think the concelement may be not needed with that amazing radar range.
When a ship has one single gun turret and a few twin gun turrets - it sounds so weird when shooting...
This is what power creep looks like
I think the biggest flaw with the ship other than no AP (which I think is fine given that this is mostly a DD hunting ship) is the lack of French saturation. This ship is MASSIVE and when focused is gonna be bleeding HP fast. But if you don't get focused, this ship looks extremely OP.
A co-op must-grind. I can see myself moving my Euro 21 pointer into this thing once I get it.
Do you grind with coop? Is it more consistent than random battles? havent played in a while
@@Stavrosstavrosstavros I will often commit to 5000 XP a day in co-op, takes me 4 or 5 battles per day, but they are usually almost all victories so they all count toward battle pass daily chains. It takes much longer to do the grind but it's far less stressful and I get more enjoyment out of each ship. When I'm within 30-40K of the end for long grinds, that's when I put on the blue boosters and go to Randoms.
If I ground out everything hardcore in Randoms at maximum speed, I'd soon run out of credits to buy the ships! This way I have plenty of time to build up more, playing e.g. coal premiums in between.
@@Ensign_Cthulhu yeah i will try this cause randoms were pretty upsetting when i used to play
Prepare to see *even more* of the oldies like shima and gearing to be lobbing long range torps with these boats driving around
radar and smoke: WG: to powerful lets remove black and belfast. Also WG: Hey what about a whole line of dds with radar and smoke
Such a low duration radar is not a problem. I prefer this instead of new gunboat or hydro DD copy line
@@ReDiR20 i do agree that black is a lot worse because you cannot counter it at all if you dont have radar or hydro (like you would have in german dds or friesland) but i think they shouldve had 7.5km range because wooster is just crying in the corner
@@ReDiR20This thing is already an insane gunboat. It doesn't need radar. And it's toxic
@@ReDiR20 In competitive even a radar to spot the location of ships is really impactful, especially on a ship which doesn't compromise DPM, range or torps
@@ReDiR20 even the presence of ships with radar equiped massively change the dynamic of dd's on that flank.
It could be a 3 second radar and people are going to avoid caps for fear of getting spotted and taking free damage for 0 gain.
They should make and identical ship to this and call it the Danzig and make it a premium German dd
I see what you did there
You could put Lütjens on it :')
@@Rio_1111 In typical WG fashion, they'd balance it around him.
@@jakubslavik5595 likely
Is the radar mod on slot 2 worth the 3 additional seconds over the speed boost mod in same slot?
Kleber well be better when the reload booster is up in every way but just raw power I would say this thing is up there lack of ap drags it down since it has kleber guns but then again we don't need any more light cruiser killers in the game
1. Bait people into early access with OP ship.
2. Nerf ship just before coming out of early access to condition people into spending for early access benefits more.
3. Profit.
Scummy russian company never changes. They might have physically left Russia but Russia never left them lmao.
I actually really hope for the Z-42 treatment
Something that doesn't get mentioned often is the delay your teammates get when an ally pops a radar. I think it's something like 6 seconds of not being able to see enemy ships apart from the mini map, making this 12 second radar effective for your team for only 6 seconds.... Food for thought.
That is very true and means for non clan games its more of a help to only you. For top tier clans all clued up the radar will be awesome.
Also the radar has a lot of usefulness outside of killing enemy dds, eg enemy dd will not push/cap/spot as well because of the "what if he radars" and the info your team gets from your radar on a enemy flank sneaking torp dd is precious.
Realistically you would play this as a gunboat and start opening up on a DD you already have spotted and the radar would be to keep them visible if they try to smoke and escape. It's a finishing move basically. You wouldn't usually pop it randomly and hope people see something.
@@Cloudman572 but this is the WOWS player base we are talking about here….
@@MattH88S but this is the WOWS player base we are talking about here….
it's a 3 second delay (unless WG changed it very recently) and the ship shows instantly on mini map, aim from the mini map for first volley and it's a moot point.
Now I'm just waiting for a 3rd KMS DD line where they have 3 min, 9km Hydros. Just... *chefs kiss
9km radar, smoke, 139mm guns with 3 sec reload and good fire chance, but no heal is a downer :D epic.
Jeee I wonder what everyone is going to run in KOTS and Ranked.
Smoke stealth radar we have been here before 👿
They made it this strong and are putting it in the tech tree? Honestly surprised they didn't stash it away as a premium.
That is Wargaming tactic, get people to drop gold on the early access event and then see the results and "Have too" rebalance it... before you can grind up to in for free. 🤣
Mini Molelster
They need another 30 seconds on that radar cooldown for real
How are ships like that going through testing? like... huh?
perma reload boosted Kleber, with smoke, 9km stealth radar and more hp. Seems fine😂😂😂 It even has french saturation. And not even that thing can do shit about a sub
In second battle u have ful red animals team (fun players) :D wr 45% and pr less like 900 :D
When does this come out?
When is line split?
couple patches. goes into early access tomorrow.
What makes Ragnar unique now?
The best cruiser farmer in DD slot and is the most survivable DD
With that turret rotation, 12 seconds radar is not enough.
The Błyscawica Tier 10
This ships is brocken. Best of Smaland, Marceau and Kleber.....
This whole line is HE only
Give Gearing Radar and it’d help with balance
Cause this is ridiculous
Wouldn't mind a radar or heal on it. I still love playing gearing no matter what tho
Or they could nerf some of the dds out there but know that ain't happening
I think Ragnar should have a smoke.
its poison, I played against it and he got 3 salvos off on my and i couldn't shoot back because of smoke
How is this not a supership?
Just give it everything, why not. What could go wrong
I slapped a gdansk with my vamp2. So it just needs another op dd to kill another
I think that WG must throw away the ship development deparment and put another ones because they fail hard with every new line they produce and i speak for the normal lines not the OP sub lines.The people doesnt play them like Yodo Luisiana and i believe San martin too and thats a pity.
"How do we ruin the game today, comrade?'
What about Gato new sub
Wow, that last game. Thats pretty bad. Thats a busted ship. The last thing we need right now is a Crutch DD.
Just what we needed........another radar.
Smoke and radar are way too much for a dd without some significant weakness elsewhere.
This is a less tanky version of a ragnar, wp wg
goodbye german main DD line
No heals or saturation functions tho. Balans
A heal would be way to god at this ship with already 33.5 k hp, Radar, Smoke, etc. :/
PQ saying "turrets are slow" feels the same as WG saying "Weak HE DPM" on the Petro....
My first time playing with PQ in game and he doesn't even showcase me caring him in my Puerto Rico. Still love your videos
Good luck finding the AP at 8 mins 35 lol.
This, marceau and ragnar in a div, just imagine lol
add a gearing for the super smoke screen.....menace
But to your surprise there's no AP.....
Tell me someone on the WG balance squad has a new Polish girlfriend they've fallen head over heals for without telling me.
I think JTR just creamed himself
I smell a big nerf.
Would love to see how these ships do with IFHE since they are HE only and have kinda crappy pen at 23mm.
Nah. IFHE on 139’s with 23mm pen won’t break 32mm why would you half the fire chance for
@@Nick-wh4jt Especially when the Gdansk has one of the highest fires per minute for a DD in the game.
@@trust_me_i_lie5749 it might get to 25mm pen or similar but it still doesn’t justify halving the fire chance. That’s it bread and butter and it doesn’t have any AP to fall back on
@@Nick-wh4jt Exactly
I would spec into full fire and dpm build with some range. It has good shell velocity so shouldn’t be so hard to hit targets at range. Build into what it’s good at. Looks to be quite a large destroyer, might be easy to hit at closer range and the torpedos are nothing to rave about. If you’re halving the fire chance and wasting captain points on IFHE you’re just making the destroyer less effective no doubt about it
You never see blowouts like this? I'm average and this happens once or twice a week usually.
Nerfs will come… once it’s no longer buyable for dubs
it turns like a fucking battleship tho lol
so its a Smolensk with radar
DD spammer, DD with planes, DD radar, DD with hydro, DD with with everything. No need for other classes.
Subs heavy breathing
Fun fact
In javanese language GDANSK mean BANANA
Maybe in Javanese. Is that a language in Java island?
yes, i don't know why WG named it this or it's just a coincidence
Bisa ae lu bang
@@faryg5026 Gdańsk is a Polish city.
@@faryg5026 They named it Gdańsk because that's a port city in Poland and in wows it's a Polish ship
19:15 your Friesland got destroyed quickly due was spotted by submarine. A submarine hunter by the way. Holy shit!!
Insane ship...Im more interested in split coz its ship from my nation
well ik what dd im getting next, makes every other destroyer practically useless, and underpowered versus this monster
maybe dont give it the same radar range as a wooster
damn I see lots of potatoes defending this op ship in comment section
Danzig*
This is the first early access line I'm really interested in.
Really? You really can't believe they made this boat? Come on PQ...I know you've been paying attention. This is straight outta their playbook the last few years, and it's just going to continue in this direction.
ofc it is strong, they are going to sell it in early access, and then after some patches nerf it. they haven't done anything but breaking this game. well done wargaming again!
So, power creep grows as WG desperately tries to stave off the financial losses caused by the player population dropping...
Making T10 more unplayable and a bigger shitshow than it already is...😢
You arent even using your smoke in the last battle no wonder your team lost...
This is either broken or very bad design by WG. And this is why I stopped playing so much. No wonder players are leaving... I'm so disappointed with WG here. They have ruined this game...
you forgot the orkan it gets radar
Orkan doesn't have smoke
@@lucidnonsense942 I thought he was talking about radar
Slower than Kleby and Marc, and no AP which is going to limit power against broadside heavies. Longer range torps, but not high dmg and no saturation mechanic. Extremely short personal radar only, 2 or 3 salvos, at best. It seems like it will sit comfortably in the mix of the two French, the Vamp and Khaba, arguably the strongest DDs in the game. AND, clearly subs SUCK and make the game worse.
Gdansk is inherently underpowered. It lacks the necessary attributes to make meaningful impact on match result.
Strong but overall way worse than Smaland
WOWS has the most idiotic excuse for radar.
well, now is the best time to quit.
Yeah but it's completely useless because it doesn't have AP. 🤡
It is way too strong but I can't help notice its power doesn't mean anything against subs...
Imagine WoW with no radar, hydro, planes, subs, or BS.