Suggestion: This scenario but for *Sweden.* Near the beginning of the war, a rogue Russian admiral planned a pre-emptive attack on the Swedish navy because he thought they were going to join the war as an ally of Germany, but he was pulled back before he could strike. If he manages to get through and violate Swedish neutrality, that not only opens up another front in Finland/Aland but also counter-balances the diplomatic hit Germany took from the rest of the world when it violated Belgian neutrality.
Correction #1: Venizelos was not a liberal, he was staunchly anti democratic and anti Semitic, he simply wanted total control over the government to go to war with Turkey
Just a greek here who wants to give some extra context. The king of Greece had family ties with queen Sophia of Germany, which explains his stance towards the central powers and not wanting to join the entente. Greece had also fought in two balkan wars and was exhausted, while the king was the commander of the army during those wars which successfully doubled our territory. Combined with the church's support for him, you can see you have a lot of people who liked him. I still prefer venizelos's vision and actions, but you kind of made the king seem kinda dumb, can't say youre completely wrong though..
It _was_ dumb of him to not act after Bulgaria made a move on Greece. He lost an unacceptable amount of face on this backdown. He'd just proved that Greek sovereignty against the Bulgarians came second to Greek relations with the Germans.
lol it's a legit thing to add imo. Some people would for real think real life works like HoI IV because that's where their knowledge of warfare comes from xD
This was a very interesting scenario, thank you for making it. Bulgaria having the Aegean coast is really interesting, as it can serve as a buffer between Turkey and Greece. One thing that was interesting is the Cold War, where Bulgaria gets to keep it, so the Communist world has a gateway to the Mediterranean Sea. The Greek civil war after WW2 has a higher chance of the communists winning, although it's still unlikely. Great video PH!
On the other hand, the Allies may want to deny this Aegean coastline to the Soviets. I think Bulgaria would only keep it in this scenario if they're not a Soviet puppet.
The wartime strength of the Greek army is 1.7 million men. Without Macedonia we'd lose a bunch of that manpower making Greece even more susceptible to invasion.
"Instead of going around the Maginot line, the German high command opted to paradrop a single battalion of paratroopers into Paris, which was enough to cause France to surrender." Later in the video: "Operation Barbarossa would be far more successful, with Axis forces pushing past Moscow. Germany managed to encircle a large portion of the Soviet army near the start of the invasion: propaganda maps showing this encirclement were frequently dropped on Allied nations in Operation Reddit. However, due to neither side understanding the supply system, the Eastern Front stagnated for the rest of the war." Near the end: "with most of Japan's army stuck in China (again, neither side could make any progress due to logistical issues), the Allies launched a naval invasion of the home islands. This caught Japan completely off guard, with the 8 divisions guarding the home islands quickly overrun."
An interesting thing to take into account is that, if Constantine actually declared war on the Entente, and the situation escalated, then upon Venizelos' return the king would be declared a traitor, he'd never be allowed to return like he did in 1920 and it's even possible that Greece would be declared a republic. If the royalists didn't return then the Entente wouldn't retire their support for Greece in Anatolia, at least not in the same way they did in reality (taking back the Greek wartime loan and the French gifting arms to Turkey) and also the Greek Venizelist generals wouldn't be purged. It's very likely that the war in Anatolia reaches a stalemate
I’m gonna call BS on the first scenario, if this happened the central powers would back royalist Greece and the bulgars and A-H would send troops in to help the king like the entente is helping the rebel state. Realistically the rebels would lose, they don’t have the resources or time to reinforce long enough for entente reinforcements to arrive( the entente need to find the men, and gather the necessary logistics to supply those men which would take time). Let assume that generously 25k out the 30k join the terror state even so the terror state needs to find a way to reinforce there position as well as feed and arm 25 thousand people, the central powers should be able to at LEAST create a small break though the rebels ramshackle defenses and reinforce the royal government and eventually eradicate them entirely.
@@capadociaash8003 thank you bringing that up I did not know that, but the entente only brought enough to garrison thessaloniki. That still means that 25k extra men would still starve and food and equipment would have to be drawn up and shipped to thessaloniki with all haste as men can only go a couple months without food before they are unfit for battle to be fair though I’m sure the traitorous forces as well as the entente can stretch there rations and seize food form the local populous to sustain themselves long enough for the entente supplies and reinforcements to arrive. To clarify so that there is no confusion I believe the rebels would most likely march to thessaloniki with all haste to reinforce the entente garrison and secure access to a port to ensure resupply. This makes the most tactical sense as there only other realistic option would be holding out in the mountains and that would be worse approach as good will eventually run out of food and army was never trained in irregular tactics( I.e hit and run, ambush etc). Moving on there is something that needs to be said is that of the average soldier. I have a strong feeling that the majority of troops that in our timeline joined the rebels had no idea what was happening and it was the generals who were loyal to Venizelos. This is relevant because once the average soldier realizes they are fighting against the king and Greece they would begin to desert on mass as they have no reason to trust Venizelos or treasonous generals but have every reason to desert there position given how the side they are is harming there country. Moving on, we now need to look at the geographic situation of Thessaloniki to determine how easy(or difficult) it is to seize, pulling up a map of the city and the surrounding countryside we tell geographically the city is almost surrounded entirely of flat lines with there being a small Mt ridge to the northeast of the city far enough away that it pose much a logistical issue to the central powers when it comes to supply there men, with these flat plains we also surmise that trench’s will become the norm just like any other ww1 front. As for the entente they will suffer a disadvantage given how there is bay surrounding thessaloniki which the central powers can easily exploit to harass supply lines being to sent to the city. I would recommend placing art batteries and then later navel batteries in Angelochori and the Delta Aksiou. I could continue but I’m sure I’m boring you by now, good day.
I like how basically any and all World War Two scenarios hurt the axis unless specifically designed to do otherwise. Shows just how unlikely it was for Germany to carry Italy so competently
This channel has a lot of BIAS on allied superiority. The truth is that don't believe it so much, although this man makes good scenarios, most of them (like this one) are very unrealistic.He always skips important things or advantages that the countries he talks about have and makes the allies almost invincible.
I think Turkey would make Axis experience a hard time because at the path to 1939, Turkey started to modernise its military consists of experienced troops and generals that have seen War of Tripoli,Frist Balkan War,Second Balkan War,WW1 and Turkish War of Independence. Turkey would still hold on to Istanbul but it would maybe lose Thrace temprorarly. At the end stage of the war though, Turkey would have advanced into the Balkans. This would also effect Turkey's politics during 40s and 50's. B3cause one of the reasons that caused CHP defeat to DP was the food shortages for a possible war senario preparation and because in this senario Turkey entered the war, public wouldn't critisized CHP for the food shortages because again in this senario Axis Powers invaded Turkey.
Hey, could you do what would happen if Great Britain signed peace with Germany in 1940, but then when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, Germany would declare war on the USA. And let's assume, of course, that for some reason the British will not join the war again and the Japanese will not attack them either because the Germans will not agree. Then we would have a neutral Britain while the USA and the USSR fight against Germany, Italy and Japan. Would the USA send forces to the USSR (Because an invasion across the Atlantic would not be possible for the Americans, just like it was for the Germans) Or would they just support the USSR through an enlarged land lease and focus on defeating Japan?
@@WilhelmRillhelm Yes... imagine the Battle of Kursk with the Americans alongside the Russians fighting the Germans. I think that the Cold War in such a situation would be much colder, although it is not known how the USA would come to an agreement with the USSR in such a situation, I would not be surprised even if, without England's participation in the war, Roosevelt would agree to include all of Europe in the USSR's influence to ensure Europe's final "PEACE"🤣. Although, from what I know, Roosevelt was not stupid enough to believe in the complete innocence of the USSR and Stalin, but he probably thought that he would finally be able to reach an understanding with Stalin in the name of world peace, but at the end, before his death, apparently he was screaming in a wheelchair to his people that Stalin had deceived him and had not kept any of the agreements. By the way, if the USA helped the USSR in this way, the USSR would probably also help in the fight against Japan from maybe the middle or end of 1942, I assume, although it is not known how quickly the Americans would reach the Eastern Front, but I bet that they would They would have happened in 1943, somewhere around the Battle of Kursk. although I doubt whether they would have made it to the Battle of Stalingrad, unless of course they wanted to send Russian help so quickly. Although, in general, if we assumed that Britain would be neutral, in theory Germany could still trade with them, but perhaps Britain, under pressure from the US, would embargo Germany and especially oil. But if they hadn't done it, I bet that in the end the Germans would have "withstood" the war with difficulty but somehow. I'm not saying that they would push the Russians and Americans beyond the Urals, but in the long run, Germany is closer to the USSR than the USA, and if the Germans did not invest so much in the fleet and did not want to fight very much with the Americans, they could produce the same number of tanks as the Russians, no. but I doubt whether the Germans would try so hard to match the Russians in terms of numbers, especially if the USA also sent troops to the USSR. Although I think that probably if the USA were prudent, they would help the USSR, but only until they drove the Germans out of Russia, then they would ask the USSR to negotiate an armistice with Germany because they would be afraid of Soviet Europe. well, I bet that Roosevelt will hope for Soviet Europe to help him destroy colonial Britain. because Roosevelt hoped for a strong USSR which would weaken English colonialism
I am very glad to see this scenario, I had been waiting for this for quite some time! I mostly agree with this, though, I would like to point out that 7:35, that land you mentioned being given to Turkey was already part of the Ottoman Empire pre-war The Bulgarian-Ottoman border didn't actually follow the Embros river, and in fact, the Germans promised that strip of land to Bulgaria if they joined the Central Powers Overall though, that was a minor mistake but I am kinda of a map-nerd myself lmao BTW your pronunciation of Venizelos was perfect
You mean the Evros AKA Maritsa river. But yes Bulgaria did end up getting a tiny strip between Tundzha river and Svilengrad after the war though of course had to cede much more terittory to Greece and Yugoslavia.
Yup. Add the fact that Venizelos had been ousted from parliament thus GB's and FR's hype was killed off when the royals came back in charge, the royals had 0 vision for the Great Idea and were constantly infighting on what to do and Lenin provided weapons and supplies to the Neo-Ottomans.
@@Qwerka Actually it's a million Greeks murdered by the Turkish army. And the other thing you said is most likely a myth, but I digress. The destruction Turkey caused on Greece and Anatolia is far greater than Greece ever possibly could have, even if it wanted to
The historical context sounded like the Entente invaded Greece and then had to remove the king in their attempts to justify their invasion. Entente forces entered before the Bulgarians (though I bet the Bulgarians were looking for any kind of excuse to invade).
I'm not usually one to come up with Alternate History Ideas, but what if Mao Zedong's son, Mao Anying, who was both politically and military active, as well as having no (at least known or severe) mental health issues, unlike his brother Anqing, had not died in the Korean War fighting the U.S, but instead survived (whether of not he is wounded or not hit at all by the air strike that killed him is of little concern to me as long as he isn't dead or unfit to lead), and succeeded Mao as leader of China, creating a second dynastic Communist power in East Asia.
I guess it starts with the First War of Italian Independence being a success, and Sardinia isn't forced to bargain away Savoie and Nizza to the French for their support.
How would that even work? Ukraine winning against the Soviets during the Revolution? Because Ukraine has only been an official country since 1991, and the only conflicts since then have been the Orange revolution, Crimea crisis, and Ukrainian-Russo war. So unless he gets mega political it wouldn’t work out.
Hey, please give us access back to your maps I enjoy mapping myself and it seems that you have deleted the folder to access them. Can you give us a new link so we can use your maps again? Thanks
11:27 It’s very likely that Bulgaria goes to the Soviets since irl Bulgaria completely switched sides due to a communist revolution in 1944 when the Soviets crossed the Danube.
SUGGESTIONS What if the crusades succeeded? What if the Ottomans modernised? What if Sweden won the Great Northern War? What if France won the Franco-Prussian War? What if China colonised Siberia? What if the League of Three Emporerss succeeded? What if England and the Netherlands remained in a union?
@@amanatansari1451 Oh, idk. Maybe it has to do that they prioritize religion, Islam in this case, over Science, Logic and Reasoning. Maybe it's because Erdogan has brainwashed the Turks for decades to "become great again" by invading and threatening other (neighboring) countries, just like their ancestors did during the Ottoman days. Maybe, maybe, maybe. The list is quite huge. And you know what's funny? The old Middle Eastern world was pretty scientific for its time before Islam returned in force and put Science and Progress on the far back seat. Praise Allah, follow the Quran and don't do much else. But tbf, that's the effect that every religion has, everywhere. Hence religions are heretical to Humanity and so are the countries that adopt them and other heretical ideologies.
I am counting down the days until the future “Estonia captures St. Petersburg” video. I was not aware of it until today and now it is all i can think about
I think if Greece joined, Greece and Bulgaria would sue for peace, once the other ones do, and so there wouldn't be any fighting on their soil and they might not lose any land I could also see the other Central Powers get slightly nicer treaties (especially Austria-Hungary because Serbia might not gain that much land) Without fighting Greece, the Turks could also be more successfull in their independence war and might successfully push for Mosul (something they tried to achieve in OTL)
I think in the second scenario, with an early entry of Greece into the war and bulgarian and greek troops sitting idle, Romania may not join the war. If that happens Germany can keep pressure up on France in Verdun.
@nathanwaterser8218 Fair enough. I'm gonna make it my headcanon that Mew is the God of Kanto and everyone has some ritual with trucks to get closer to Mew spiritually or something.
This scenario makes me wonder about if Greece, Albania, and Bulgaria unified in 1900 and worked on unifying the Balkans before world war broke out. Maybe as the Ottoman empire breaks apart, the nations in the balkans unify together rather than breaking apart like in our timeline
From what I've heard the Bulgarians wanted to advance into Greece, but the Germans stopped them and told them to hold the front against the Allies. The idea was that the Balkan front would draw allied troops from the Western Front.
the funny thing is that the ottomans tried to ally themselves with the british and the french before they eventualy aligned themselves with the germans
Ngl a little disappointed there’s no mention of the communists during WWII, I’d imagine an axis government would be much more harsh on them so the civil war would either be non-existent or much more communist/popular front favored. Would’ve loved to have heard your thoughts on that
Actually the king DID want to join the central powers at the start of the war, but when bulgaria and the ottoman empure joined the central powers he knew that there was no way the public accepts his decision so he started asking for greek neutralitty.
Can you do a scenario where Otto von Bismarcks popularity didn't plummet and he stayed as pm for a few more years. Further into the scenario what if Wilhelm continued Bismarcks plans and mess up Germanys pre 1910 future.
hitler postponed his invasion of the soviet union to take out yugo and greece after the failed italian invasion of greece. So with that logic: who knows what would happen to yugoslavia in this time line, and hitler would most likely delay his invasion of the soviets by a whole year if they do a failed invasion of turkey.... which could be terrible for allies. a germany not fighting the soviets could focus up and kill turkey and take the middle east and win in africa
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Suggestion: This scenario but for *Sweden.* Near the beginning of the war, a rogue Russian admiral planned a pre-emptive attack on the Swedish navy because he thought they were going to join the war as an ally of Germany, but he was pulled back before he could strike. If he manages to get through and violate Swedish neutrality, that not only opens up another front in Finland/Aland but also counter-balances the diplomatic hit Germany took from the rest of the world when it violated Belgian neutrality.
This
yep, thats peak right there
This would be SO interesting to see, I didn't even know about this event.
What if Sweden joined the Central Powers?
Make a what if everything went perfect for Greece
Is that Alexander Empire survived?
@@NontonSejarah-drg.naufalprob based around Ottomon independence and ww1
Need this to exist
@@NontonSejarah-drg.naufal That would rather be "What if everything went perfectly for the Greek civilization"
Yes
This will be fact checked by the most Venizelist greek there is
Correction #1: Venizelos was not a liberal, he was staunchly anti democratic and anti Semitic, he simply wanted total control over the government to go to war with Turkey
This video was fact checked
By Venizlos himself
@@Ethnogoblin indeed
Venizelist Liberal Democracy forever!! ❤
@@RegentOfGreece he wasn't democratic
Just a greek here who wants to give some extra context. The king of Greece had family ties with queen Sophia of Germany, which explains his stance towards the central powers and not wanting to join the entente. Greece had also fought in two balkan wars and was exhausted, while the king was the commander of the army during those wars which successfully doubled our territory. Combined with the church's support for him, you can see you have a lot of people who liked him.
I still prefer venizelos's vision and actions, but you kind of made the king seem kinda dumb, can't say youre completely wrong though..
Blud thought he could hop on a horse and defeat the Turks.
It _was_ dumb of him to not act after Bulgaria made a move on Greece. He lost an unacceptable amount of face on this backdown. He'd just proved that Greek sovereignty against the Bulgarians came second to Greek relations with the Germans.
@@gengarzilla1685 he certainly lost support just giving up kavala for free
@ComradeLenny well they almost destroyed the Turkish army in 1922 and had the turks retreated (which they were planning) they would have lost Ankara
@@mariosvourliotakis Venizelos gave kavala
BRO FR SAID "but this isn't Hearts of Iron 4" I'M FUCKING LAUGHING TILL' DEATH
Whats the timestamp I still haven't heard that part lol
12:54 is when he said it
lol it's a legit thing to add imo. Some people would for real think real life works like HoI IV because that's where their knowledge of warfare comes from xD
Nah the 3 greek and bulgarian giga-tank divisions would encircle the entire russian army and win the war for the central powers just like hoi
@@maciejbala477Yea. Armies are made up of people, not automatons. HoI4 wouldn’t be nearly as fun if it put in “no we ain’t gonna do that lmao” Ai
As a Greek it is truly painful to see Greece lose even more territories!
Cope.
@@katarzynasosnowska5899 What do you mean man?
But greek gain few territories 😅
@@Prussiankingdom1871 I mean that in this scenario where Greece gets treated like a member of the Centrals Powers
As a Greek, I agree, and it's even more painful to see that in the best scenario Greece it's still the same
This was a very interesting scenario, thank you for making it.
Bulgaria having the Aegean coast is really interesting, as it can serve as a buffer between Turkey and Greece. One thing that was interesting is the Cold War, where Bulgaria gets to keep it, so the Communist world has a gateway to the Mediterranean Sea. The Greek civil war after WW2 has a higher chance of the communists winning, although it's still unlikely.
Great video PH!
Omg its another member of the Alternate History Multiverse
Unban me from your server
@@Triple_Alliance you're not real for that
On the other hand, the Allies may want to deny this Aegean coastline to the Soviets. I think Bulgaria would only keep it in this scenario if they're not a Soviet puppet.
The wartime strength of the Greek army is 1.7 million men.
Without Macedonia we'd lose a bunch of that manpower making Greece even more susceptible to invasion.
unironically, what if WW1 or WW2 had Hoi4 mechanics would be a very interesting and very funny video to make
"Instead of going around the Maginot line, the German high command opted to paradrop a single battalion of paratroopers into Paris, which was enough to cause France to surrender."
Later in the video: "Operation Barbarossa would be far more successful, with Axis forces pushing past Moscow. Germany managed to encircle a large portion of the Soviet army near the start of the invasion: propaganda maps showing this encirclement were frequently dropped on Allied nations in Operation Reddit. However, due to neither side understanding the supply system, the Eastern Front stagnated for the rest of the war."
Near the end: "with most of Japan's army stuck in China (again, neither side could make any progress due to logistical issues), the Allies launched a naval invasion of the home islands. This caught Japan completely off guard, with the 8 divisions guarding the home islands quickly overrun."
@captain_hammer You forgot the part where Luxembourg solos the axis.
An interesting thing to take into account is that, if Constantine actually declared war on the Entente, and the situation escalated, then upon Venizelos' return the king would be declared a traitor, he'd never be allowed to return like he did in 1920 and it's even possible that Greece would be declared a republic. If the royalists didn't return then the Entente wouldn't retire their support for Greece in Anatolia, at least not in the same way they did in reality (taking back the Greek wartime loan and the French gifting arms to Turkey) and also the Greek Venizelist generals wouldn't be purged. It's very likely that the war in Anatolia reaches a stalemate
I’m gonna call BS on the first scenario, if this happened the central powers would back royalist Greece and the bulgars and A-H would send troops in to help the king like the entente is helping the rebel state. Realistically the rebels would lose, they don’t have the resources or time to reinforce long enough for entente reinforcements to arrive( the entente need to find the men, and gather the necessary logistics to supply those men which would take time).
Let assume that generously 25k out the 30k join the terror state even so the terror state needs to find a way to reinforce there position as well as feed and arm 25 thousand people, the central powers should be able to at LEAST create a small break though the rebels ramshackle defenses and reinforce the royal government and eventually eradicate them entirely.
Entente troops were already there and Britains naval supremacy would let them keep them supplied
@@capadociaash8003 thank you bringing that up I did not know that, but the entente only brought enough to garrison thessaloniki. That still means that 25k extra men would still starve and food and equipment would have to be drawn up and shipped to thessaloniki with all haste as men can only go a couple months without food before they are unfit for battle to be fair though I’m sure the traitorous forces as well as the entente can stretch there rations and seize food form the local populous to sustain themselves long enough for the entente supplies and reinforcements to arrive.
To clarify so that there is no confusion I believe the rebels would most likely march to thessaloniki with all haste to reinforce the entente garrison and secure access to a port to ensure resupply. This makes the most tactical sense as there only other realistic option would be holding out in the mountains and that would be worse approach as good will eventually run out of food and army was never trained in irregular tactics( I.e hit and run, ambush etc).
Moving on there is something that needs to be said is that of the average soldier. I have a strong feeling that the majority of troops that in our timeline joined the rebels had no idea what was happening and it was the generals who were loyal to Venizelos. This is relevant because once the average soldier realizes they are fighting against the king and Greece they would begin to desert on mass as they have no reason to trust Venizelos or treasonous generals but have every reason to desert there position given how the side they are is harming there country.
Moving on, we now need to look at the geographic situation of Thessaloniki to determine how easy(or difficult) it is to seize, pulling up a map of the city and the surrounding countryside we tell geographically the city is almost surrounded entirely of flat lines with there being a small Mt ridge to the northeast of the city far enough away that it pose much a logistical issue to the central powers when it comes to supply there men, with these flat plains we also surmise that trench’s will become the norm just like any other ww1 front. As for the entente they will suffer a disadvantage given how there is bay surrounding thessaloniki which the central powers can easily exploit to harass supply lines being to sent to the city. I would recommend placing art batteries and then later navel batteries in Angelochori and the Delta Aksiou. I could continue but I’m sure I’m boring you by now, good day.
"This is not HOI4" I think he knows what his entire fanbase plays
Not HOI4? That implies that the game is unrealistic which cannot be true as I just saw 2 Italian tanks land in the Isle of man
I love how large gibraltar is
What if the thumbnail of this video had more than 7 pixels
I like how basically any and all World War Two scenarios hurt the axis unless specifically designed to do otherwise. Shows just how unlikely it was for Germany to carry Italy so competently
This channel has a lot of BIAS on allied superiority. The truth is that don't believe it so much, although this man makes good scenarios, most of them (like this one) are very unrealistic.He always skips important things or advantages that the countries he talks about have and makes the allies almost invincible.
Suggestion: What if Ned Kelly started an Australian Revolution?
Great idea!!
As an Australian, this would make me very happy.
I think Turkey would make Axis experience a hard time because at the path to 1939, Turkey started to modernise its military consists of experienced troops and generals that have seen War of Tripoli,Frist Balkan War,Second Balkan War,WW1 and Turkish War of Independence. Turkey would still hold on to Istanbul but it would maybe lose Thrace temprorarly. At the end stage of the war though, Turkey would have advanced into the Balkans. This would also effect Turkey's politics during 40s and 50's. B3cause one of the reasons that caused CHP defeat to DP was the food shortages for a possible war senario preparation and because in this senario Turkey entered the war, public wouldn't critisized CHP for the food shortages because again in this senario Axis Powers invaded Turkey.
Turkey also fortified its European border during WWII iotl, so ttl's Greece and Italy would struggle with Thrace.
They would eat cats
Surely
It’s likely
Real
Yes
100%
Hey, could you do what would happen if Great Britain signed peace with Germany in 1940, but then when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, Germany would declare war on the USA. And let's assume, of course, that for some reason the British will not join the war again and the Japanese will not attack them either because the Germans will not agree. Then we would have a neutral Britain while the USA and the USSR fight against Germany, Italy and Japan. Would the USA send forces to the USSR (Because an invasion across the Atlantic would not be possible for the Americans, just like it was for the Germans) Or would they just support the USSR through an enlarged land lease and focus on defeating Japan?
Ayo that‘s a great idea
I see potential here
@@WilhelmRillhelm Yes... imagine the Battle of Kursk with the Americans alongside the Russians fighting the Germans. I think that the Cold War in such a situation would be much colder, although it is not known how the USA would come to an agreement with the USSR in such a situation, I would not be surprised even if, without England's participation in the war, Roosevelt would agree to include all of Europe in the USSR's influence to ensure Europe's final "PEACE"🤣. Although, from what I know, Roosevelt was not stupid enough to believe in the complete innocence of the USSR and Stalin, but he probably thought that he would finally be able to reach an understanding with Stalin in the name of world peace, but at the end, before his death, apparently he was screaming in a wheelchair to his people that Stalin had deceived him and had not kept any of the agreements. By the way, if the USA helped the USSR in this way, the USSR would probably also help in the fight against Japan from maybe the middle or end of 1942, I assume, although it is not known how quickly the Americans would reach the Eastern Front, but I bet that they would They would have happened in 1943, somewhere around the Battle of Kursk. although I doubt whether they would have made it to the Battle of Stalingrad, unless of course they wanted to send Russian help so quickly. Although, in general, if we assumed that Britain would be neutral, in theory Germany could still trade with them, but perhaps Britain, under pressure from the US, would embargo Germany and especially oil. But if they hadn't done it, I bet that in the end the Germans would have "withstood" the war with difficulty but somehow. I'm not saying that they would push the Russians and Americans beyond the Urals, but in the long run, Germany is closer to the USSR than the USA, and if the Germans did not invest so much in the fleet and did not want to fight very much with the Americans, they could produce the same number of tanks as the Russians, no. but I doubt whether the Germans would try so hard to match the Russians in terms of numbers, especially if the USA also sent troops to the USSR. Although I think that probably if the USA were prudent, they would help the USSR, but only until they drove the Germans out of Russia, then they would ask the USSR to negotiate an armistice with Germany because they would be afraid of Soviet Europe. well, I bet that Roosevelt will hope for Soviet Europe to help him destroy colonial Britain. because Roosevelt hoped for a strong USSR which would weaken English colonialism
I am very glad to see this scenario, I had been waiting for this for quite some time!
I mostly agree with this, though, I would like to point out that 7:35, that land you mentioned being given to Turkey was already part of the Ottoman Empire pre-war
The Bulgarian-Ottoman border didn't actually follow the Embros river, and in fact, the Germans promised that strip of land to Bulgaria if they joined the Central Powers
Overall though, that was a minor mistake but I am kinda of a map-nerd myself lmao
BTW your pronunciation of Venizelos was perfect
You mean the Evros AKA Maritsa river. But yes Bulgaria did end up getting a tiny strip between Tundzha river and Svilengrad after the war though of course had to cede much more terittory to Greece and Yugoslavia.
Thumbnail is 5 pixels bruh
Why the thumbnail built like that 😭
Possible History Thumbnail Budget Runs Out😭😭
Venizelist Greece looks... interesting to say the least.
Supaaa crispyyy
Greece was then promptly betrayed by the Entente and left genocided in Anatolia OOF
Yup. Add the fact that Venizelos had been ousted from parliament thus GB's and FR's hype was killed off when the royals came back in charge, the royals had 0 vision for the Great Idea and were constantly infighting on what to do and Lenin provided weapons and supplies to the Neo-Ottomans.
30000 Greeks killed by Turks: Genocide
30000 Buildings burned by Greeks: “Accident”
@@Qwerka Genocide implies living beings. Buildings are not.
@@georgedevries3992 Good point. Tho some people called that point a shelter. I won’t be responding from now on.
@@Qwerka Actually it's a million Greeks murdered by the Turkish army. And the other thing you said is most likely a myth, but I digress. The destruction Turkey caused on Greece and Anatolia is far greater than Greece ever possibly could have, even if it wanted to
The historical context sounded like the Entente invaded Greece and then had to remove the king in their attempts to justify their invasion. Entente forces entered before the Bulgarians (though I bet the Bulgarians were looking for any kind of excuse to invade).
“But this isn’t hearts of iron 4” ✍🏿 🔥
The planned videos look really interesting!
I love how we clicked on it to watch grease join the Central powers, yet they always end up with entente
Finally a foreigner who got stuff right, as a Greek, thank you for making this alt scenario as realistic as possible
Awesome job, Possible History! (My personal opinion, Venizelism is ultra perfect. Liberal Democracy for all!)
great video, very well thought out, however I was wondering where you got your maps from?
As a Greek I see this as an absolute win
I'm not usually one to come up with Alternate History Ideas, but what if Mao Zedong's son, Mao Anying, who was both politically and military active, as well as having no (at least known or severe) mental health issues, unlike his brother Anqing, had not died in the Korean War fighting the U.S, but instead survived (whether of not he is wounded or not hit at all by the air strike that killed him is of little concern to me as long as he isn't dead or unfit to lead), and succeeded Mao as leader of China, creating a second dynastic Communist power in East Asia.
What if everything went perfect for Italy?
I want this video
We want this, we need this.
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I guess it starts with the First War of Italian Independence being a success, and Sardinia isn't forced to bargain away Savoie and Nizza to the French for their support.
And it could have Amedeo staying king of spain
why do you deleted comment: what if history went perfect for Ukraine. What's wrong?
I wonder why
Hello i from xtachiya
How would that even work? Ukraine winning against the Soviets during the Revolution? Because Ukraine has only been an official country since 1991, and the only conflicts since then have been the Orange revolution, Crimea crisis, and Ukrainian-Russo war. So unless he gets mega political it wouldn’t work out.
I somehow read this as 'what if Greece joined the Axis Powers'
very literate 👍
Modern Greek history is so underrated, in my opinion!
I'm more interested to the ongoing drama of Ukraine idea being deleted. Please make an alternate video of what if the idea wasn't deleted.
Idea: What If Carthage wins the Third Punic War?
good idea
That doesn’t exist
What if existed and won? @@TheJimminater08
@@barkankirecci6939 that is a great point
it was basically impossible at that point
Make video about Grees win the Greco-Turkish war
Love your content! Thanks For this 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Make a what if everything for Romania went perfect
10/10 thumbnail
2 weeks waiting for this
Hey, please give us access back to your maps I enjoy mapping myself and it seems that you have deleted the folder to access them. Can you give us a new link so we can use your maps again? Thanks
Watching with subtitles: “Venezuela is put in charge of a temporary Greek government“ 😂
He meant Venizelos
11:27 It’s very likely that Bulgaria goes to the Soviets since irl Bulgaria completely switched sides due to a communist revolution in 1944 when the Soviets crossed the Danube.
SUGGESTIONS
What if the crusades succeeded?
What if the Ottomans modernised?
What if Sweden won the Great Northern War?
What if France won the Franco-Prussian War?
What if China colonised Siberia?
What if the League of Three Emporerss succeeded?
What if England and the Netherlands remained in a union?
"What if the Ottomans modernised?" I don't see that happening even in a hypothetical scenario.
@@georgedevries3992 LOL
@@georgedevries3992why😅?
@@amanatansari1451 Oh, idk. Maybe it has to do that they prioritize religion, Islam in this case, over Science, Logic and Reasoning. Maybe it's because Erdogan has brainwashed the Turks for decades to "become great again" by invading and threatening other (neighboring) countries, just like their ancestors did during the Ottoman days.
Maybe, maybe, maybe. The list is quite huge. And you know what's funny? The old Middle Eastern world was pretty scientific for its time before Islam returned in force and put Science and Progress on the far back seat. Praise Allah, follow the Quran and don't do much else.
But tbf, that's the effect that every religion has, everywhere. Hence religions are heretical to Humanity and so are the countries that adopt them and other heretical ideologies.
The thumbnail is looking crisp.
I am counting down the days until the future “Estonia captures St. Petersburg” video. I was not aware of it until today and now it is all i can think about
thumbnail is 2 pixels at most
As a Greek, nice work pronouncing Benizelos
I have an alt history proposition. Where would I submit it?
I think if Greece joined, Greece and Bulgaria would sue for peace, once the other ones do, and so there wouldn't be any fighting on their soil and they might not lose any land
I could also see the other Central Powers get slightly nicer treaties (especially Austria-Hungary because Serbia might not gain that much land)
Without fighting Greece, the Turks could also be more successfull in their independence war and might successfully push for Mosul (something they tried to achieve in OTL)
I think in the second scenario, with an early entry of Greece into the war and bulgarian and greek troops sitting idle, Romania may not join the war.
If that happens Germany can keep pressure up on France in Verdun.
Video 12 of asking Possible History for a video about "If Valery Sablin was succesful"
Yes let’s go
I play a Roblox alternate history game… thanks for the idea
Risk or WC? 🤨
Please do: What if everything went perfectly for Britain?
A what if Pokémon existed would be an interesting idea.
@nathanwaterser8218Would there be a religion worshipping Arceus? Maybe Dialga gets crucified on the Honey Tree.
@nathanwaterser8218 Fair enough.
I'm gonna make it my headcanon that Mew is the God of Kanto and everyone has some ritual with trucks to get closer to Mew spiritually or something.
This scenario makes me wonder about if Greece, Albania, and Bulgaria unified in 1900 and worked on unifying the Balkans before world war broke out. Maybe as the Ottoman empire breaks apart, the nations in the balkans unify together rather than breaking apart like in our timeline
Why do the eyes in the thumbnail look like that
0:26 Some island in Turkey didn't surrender.
They forgot The memo lmao
From what I've heard the Bulgarians wanted to advance into Greece, but the Germans stopped them and told them to hold the front against the Allies. The idea was that the Balkan front would draw allied troops from the Western Front.
Day 2 of asking possible history to make What if Sweden Won the Great Northern War
when tf are we getting the versailes like vienna video its been on the list for so long now
"Italy would get some lands from little Greece."
I dont think you understand how Zervas would take that opinion at the treaty signage
What if Denmark and Norway went to war in 1933?
(Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenario)
Bro MIGHT be Swedish
pls
Nice!
Idea: what if the Czechoslovak revolt suceeded in 1969
Why is the miniature have like 240p of quality
PH where is the new map?? It was in the last video but not in this one??
you should really do what if the ottomans joined the entente as the ottomans would survive ww1 and greece would probably join the central powers
the funny thing is that the ottomans tried to ally themselves with the british and the french before they eventualy aligned themselves with the germans
Why is the old map in use?
Only ogs remember the 6 pixel old thumbnail
Nice
Video idea: What if the Ottoman Empire collapsed in 1912?
Ngl a little disappointed there’s no mention of the communists during WWII, I’d imagine an axis government would be much more harsh on them so the civil war would either be non-existent or much more communist/popular front favored. Would’ve loved to have heard your thoughts on that
Where is the part two for the american revolution video
Why is the Thumbnail 144 Pixels😭
I haven’t watched the video yet but let me guess entente still wins am I right?
what if kievan rus never got conquered by the mongols, and managed to fight them off
Video idea: what if the Dutch won the second Anglo-Dutch war
Bro, what is that thumbnail? 💀
When will every modern empire release PLEASE IVE BEEN WAITING FOR HALF A YEAR
Is the Microsoft paint
Idea: what if Germany didn’t surrender in ww1
Please make medieval videos
Make a video about What if Turkey entered the war early by the side of Allied Powers.
Actually the king DID want to join the central powers at the start of the war, but when bulgaria and the ottoman empure joined the central powers he knew that there was no way the public accepts his decision so he started asking for greek neutralitty.
Can you do a scenario where Otto von Bismarcks popularity didn't plummet and he stayed as pm for a few more years. Further into the scenario what if Wilhelm continued Bismarcks plans and mess up Germanys pre 1910 future.
bro started riot when he deleted Ukraine idea (it's sad, i liked idea)
hitler postponed his invasion of the soviet union to take out yugo and greece after the failed italian invasion of greece. So with that logic: who knows what would happen to yugoslavia in this time line, and hitler would most likely delay his invasion of the soviets by a whole year if they do a failed invasion of turkey.... which could be terrible for allies. a germany not fighting the soviets could focus up and kill turkey and take the middle east and win in africa
Why does the Thumbnail have noticeably worser quality than usual?
What if Qing China formed an alliance with the German Empire and the USA?? please make a video on this
Please Make what if everything Went perfect for the Axis
What if history went perfect for sweden🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣
why you deleted Ukraine idea
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Everything went perfect for Greece
this is extremely intresting
I like how the beginning implies Greece won WW1.
They did, it just went terribly wrong for them _after_ this war.
He's not finished his Chinese warlord era videos yet
Make a what if Venizelios becomes the Bismarck of Greece, and conquers Constantinople (Just like Bismarck did with Paris)
You should make a what if everything went perfect for the ottomans
that's not king contantine, that's just J.K. simmons with a moustache