Has Pop Metal Gone Too Far Now?
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Chris takes an extended look at the rise of Scene Queen, and takes a listen to the debut album Hot Singles in Your Area.
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as a huge scene queen fan since her first EPs dropped, her concerts have been the safest ive felt at a show in ages. my first time crowdsurfing was to her & set it off and my first time moshing in the pit was with her & rivals. im incredibly grateful for what she's done for feminism in metal and disability advocacy in the music scene in general (she's very vocal about performing with POTs). "the pop bits are pop and the metal bits are metal" is definitely the best way to put it.
honestly, thank you for making this video. even if it does end up more popular than others, you're bringing in a demographic that needs to hear these words coming from someone who looks like you.
Yes the scene queen pit has been the best one of been in , I got knocked over for a good minute and was picked up and thoroughly checked on. Other pits they may pick you up but they just throw you back in 😂
Safe at a show what are you talking about the scene and Warped tour where always awesome unless you acted dumb oh no the Ska Punk bands mosh and dance and crowd surf scary. I Played so many shows and the people I met along the way I cherish I'm the singer of Duck N Cover Ska band. Oh no not Feminism blah unity we all stand together an a former old school feminist an that was BS but Modern woman smh the new Feminist movement is a joke. So far all her songs I heard are I like 3 girls in the shower eat pussy S&M and sex am I missing anything actual meaning full. Triggered at Warp tour how.
@@haileyhutchison9310 Go to Punk ska shows they do the same I played Warped tour 3 times also been playing since i was 15 so 14 years playing shows. Check out the Evil within, Bad cop Bad cop, Bomb pops, the Muffs, or my band Duck N Cover where Ska Punk rock all about Unity togetherness an fun .
I've only been to a few shows in total at this point, but the ones with Scene Queen were the most safe out of all of the ones I've been to! People were really sweet in the bathrooms or walking in the halls to get food or what not too! Everyone just seems to watch out for each other and doesn't get weird.
i wanna go to a concert but im underage 😭😭😭😭 twerkle pits on my bucket list
The title had me thinking this would be a harsh criticism and I was wondering what I had done to my algorithm to put it on my feed, so I clicked to sort out my feed, and here I am a bit surprised but I appreciate your thoughts on the matter
This type of music has been a big thing in Japan for a long while, now. Even before Babymetal, there were bands doing this (like this genre I love called "Oshare-kei", which is colorful, poppy music that sometimes blends metal and screams into hyper joyful songs). I hate some of it, and I love some of it.
Couple years ago I listened to a single track by Poppy as a joke, it was too much. Now she's one of my most favorite artists. While I ignore stuff from the "That Poppy" era, everything that came afterwards is pure gold.
Oh, and Ennaria blew my face off with Monstarrr, i fuckin can't wait for her debut album to come out. Hyperpop/deathcore mix, who would have thought ( besides Ennaria that is ) it's gonna be that good.
My mate sent me the track Poppy did for some wrestler or some wrestling thing ages ago, and I was like man that goes pretty hard. I forget what song it was now, but the last couple of albums she's put out has been pretty good, less metal and more darkwave(?) idk genres are hard.
Just curious
What did u think of zig
Poppy and Ennaria are awesome. Maybe you'll also like some of Paledusk's songs (on youtube they have videos under their own name and under Greyscale records), also very chaotic and fun with electronic and pop elements.
Am a “rough looking metal dude” & I fucking love scene queen, anyone wants a fight about it let me know 🤘
want a cookie or sum? 💀
I’m with you dude, I damn love Scene Queen!
Scene queen sucks! Where?!
Scene queen crap! Where?
rough looking virgin living in his parents' basement playing videogames and watching cartoons yea. You probably like babymetal too.
My issue with treating music like a religion is that it ignores what music is: art. You don't put rules on art, as long as you aren't breaking laws. Metal is one of the only genres where you still got bands from 30 years ago still making music, even sticking to their core sound and keeping an audience. Nobody can force change on any genre of music, only the fans accepting or rejecting the new or old.
But it would be like labeling the Mona Lisa as surrealism art. It wouldn't make sense.
First time I your channel was recommended and I really like your attitude and your content 👍.
It's also the first time I hear from scene queen and what I heard so far made me curious. I would consider myself a 6 feet tall metalpunk- head that is shitting bolts made of steel🤦♂️😝 so I would definitely wear pink merch from a band like Scene Queen if the songs can hook me up 🤘(even if I look like an even fatter 🐖 afterwards😬) Sometimes I feel that especially a lot from my generation (74) have some kind of gatekeeper mentality, what's very sad. I love so many different Band and genre's that I think that someone with an attitude like that misses a lot of really cool opportunities, but I guess that is and always will be the price for being narrow minded🤷♂️
Stay heavy and keep it up 🤘
Greetings from Austria 🙋♂️
She... Might actually be more metal than a lot of bands right now. I mean. Metal started out as this outcast community. They knew they were gonna piss a lot of people off. Like, she definitely knew she was gonna get a lot of hate from metalheads. She might get a few views from pop lovers, but that's probably not really target demographic. Took a lot of guts, she's metal af. Especially exposing the BS misogyny she faced but still advocating sexual freedom. So much respekk from me.
As for pop music parts? Electric Callboy is already doing that basically, and doing extremely well.
Thanks for this video. I have no idea if I'll like her music but I'm now convinced I need to give her album at least 1-2 listens before I decide. Thank you for not just mindlessly jumping on the hate wagon, researching this deeply and giving a chance to all her songs before this video, and then spreading a positive message about it. This video felt authentic af like few other channels do. Love❤
lol I was born to the Proto Metal Generation
No
@@lynxlubbpeeps She... Scene Queen, is obnoxious. Can't stand her, Babymetal, or the Electric Fail-boys. There are just some things that don't mix well with metal.
@@michaelbedsole970 yeah its u u that doesnt miux well with metal
@@jankaufmann1174 Could you try that again... in English?
@@michaelbedsole970 Dude you're obnoxious.
Scene Queen is such a presence onstage, and does everything for her fans. And the fact that she's chronically ill gives me hope for myself.
It's not metal it's breakdowns it's suckt it's post hardcore pop not metal pop voices are not metal
Scene Queen puts into words what I’ve felt all my life in these alternative spaces and she creates a space for everyone who feels the same. It deeply resonates and I didn’t have any idea of how much I needed that until I listened to her.
As a queer woman I need to give kudos to you Chris! I didn’t expect this video to be so well researched and looking at the subject from so many angles, as soon as I finished the video I subscribed. I’m looking forward to watch more from you :)
This means so much you have no idea. Thank you for giving it a watch and for your kind words 🤘
The lyrics on 18+ have barely to do with the metal scene, culture, or fanbase. It's mostly the warped tour bands/scene culture about so many members in those bands were accused of having relation with minors in the late 2000s-2010s. To me that's just a heavier & scene version of 29 by Demi Lovato (with the lyrics talk about similar thing).
I think that bolder genre hybrids like these are the healthiest, most exciting and best thing that have happened to the metal scene in a long, looong time. Metal with its various sub-genres used to be my main go-to music for most of my life, but its relative predictability and the widespread musically conservative mindset within the community pushed me away to explore other genres.
And pop, much to my surprise at the time, has offered me some of the most mind-bending, deep, progressive, and experimental listening experiences I've ever had. It's a common misconception that pop music must be the antithesis of alternative music. It can be just as aggressive and noisy as metal, it can be just as challenging to get into for casual radio listeners and metalheads alike. The goal of pop music isn't always to be easily digestible, despite etymologically stemming from the term "popular". Look at artists like Björk, Caroline Polachek, Dorian Electra, Charli XCX, Jockstrap or Superorganism and pay attention to the intricacies of their music making. You might not find it all enjoyable at first, but it's hard to deny its artistic value in breaking new ground, if you're openminded enough to accept that it will confront you with musical and lyrical themes you haven't appreciated (yet).
Musical preference is a matter of choice and challenging yourself with sufficient confrontation, I think.
Now, there's NOTHING wrong with sticking with more traditional metal, but dang, does it feel great to enjoy whatever you can!
Genre-bending artists like Poppy, Igorrr, öOoOoOoOoOo or Death Grips haven't taken away from my pleasure in listening metal- they've reawakened and added to it. And to answer the question if it all has gone too far, I can only say, keep going further. Its existence doesn't erase the music you already like. It only creates a new flavor that people can enjoy. If that's a problem for someone, that's on them. :3
I've been really bad at responding to comments on this video. I've been kind of overwhelmed how many there have been. But I have to highlight yours. An awesome, insightful, and passionate thing to read. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment 🤘
>thinks metal has become predictable
>thinks the solution is to put breakdowns on what could've been a Katty Perry song
Either you listened only to American mainstream metal and don't know about European metal scene, or you don't listen to metal at all. SepticFlesh, that's how you reinvent metal and make it fresh without losing any of the sincerity and purity of it. Sorry, pop music, unless it's some good pop, like Phil Collins or Oingo Boingo, shouldn't be fused with metal if your intent is to be taken seriously.
@@crushingsounds666 Aww, thank you for reading, responding and opening the discussion with your video in the first place! I appreciate your work! :)
@@antona.8659 Most of what I've heard was predictable in terms of genre limitations/experimentation for the sake of purity. Metal has its hybrid forms, but I rarely feel the same sense of novelty that I got from Poppy's "I Disagree" pop/metal album. Or anything in Igorrr's discography, to name an example that does NOT incorporate pop esthetics. I love it, because it's a risky move. It's a stark musical contrast, instead of an accentuation that plays into the obvious strengths that metal has (such as adding an orchestra or folky instruments to make it sound more epic.)
And sure, let's talk about sincerity!
If you want to be true to your nature, you'll need to embrace your vulnerable, corny, goofy, curious, playful and "guilty pleasure" side too, because you're a complex being and not everything that defines you is metal.
Now, if you enjoy metal and pop in equal parts, wouldn't a pop/metal hybrid be the most sincere and self-expressive music you could possibly make?
@@Benki-w8b like I said, putting breakdowns over the most sanitized, cliched crap that's taken from the most generic and self-repetitive music genres of today's music, rap and pop, is the opposite of avoiding predictability.
The music isn't my cup of tea so I have no interest in listening to it despite I listen to actual pop and metal music. The culmination of the two seems way too chaotic for me personally but ehhh each to their own
Babymetal is metal. Xe-None is metal. This is metal. It's not any less different from what most people comfortably call metal than what metal originally was (to the point some people will even nowadays argue that the majority of mainstream 80s metal is rock and not metal, lol). Shit evolves.
Okay I actually listen to some of her songs after watching this video. Whether she's metal or not depends on whether you classify core as metal or not. Most people don't really distinguish them nowadays since punk and metal have been mixing and influencing each other for so long both ways that it's a spectrum with no clear line between them. She's definitely core and heavy enough to be in these murky grey areas that could be or not be classed as metal. BUT THIS IS NOT BECAUSE OF THE POP COMPONENTS TO HET MUSIC. THESE DO NOT AFFECT THE METAL-NESS IF HER MUSIC AT ALL. DO NOT TAKE ANY OF IT AWAY AT ALL. The way she incorporates pop in her metal/core is arguably more raw and aggressive than when bands like Slipknot start singling cute sugary clean vocals choruses after a heavy riff driven stanza. Arguably in case of bands like Slipknot adorable choruses take a lot of the metal-ness from songs like Psychosocial, but nobody will argue they're not metal. Arguing it in her case is even more laughable IMO and is clearly just a matter of prejudice towards the visual aesthetic.
Evolving means progress. This and your precious babymetal dumbs the genre down to nursery rhymes set to club beats
@@Sylkis89 In the case of stuff like SQ and Babymetal, it's a toxic mutation that equates to an evolutionary dead-end. NO THANKS!
@@staalhard666 I 100% agree. While music genres can evolve and have flexibility... there are certain criteria for each category. Otherwise there wouldn't be any musical genres.
Seems pretty not for me, but I'm sure I listen to a lot of stuff certain metal fans would be angry about on the goth/symphonic side, it is fine for people to like things. Thanks for the info dump, probably would have never known this was even a thing otherwise.
I really like what Scene Queen is giving tbh. This is my first time hearing about her. I really love Poppy, Cinnamon Babe, Banshee, and Zheani, all of which go really fucking hard. Growing up really appreciating my local metal scene but never seeing anyone who looked like me up on that stage was a real disconnect.
i love the very girly aesthetic of Scene Queen and I can see the Kesha comparison. Might give the album a listen after the video.
Me too! Been a metalhead for over 20 years and I think it's ridiculous how women have had to either look like and sound like men or to fit this virtuous maiden architype (especially in symphonic metal) to be taken seriously.
And then Gen Z is like "F that, F all things I 'should do' or 'shouldn't do', F all gender and genre boundaries" and make the most awesome and diverse alternative music I've ever heard.
@@Zinetha Been a metal head for over 20 years. I must say, I can't stand Scene Queen, Babymetal, etc. I'm definitely NOT a fan of this attempt to inject pop sounds/aesthetics into metal. Keep that stuff out of metal. Save it for the pop charts.
As for your comments on the looks of female metal singers/bands... that's just part of the genre. Just like punk or country have certain aesthetics associated with them. You don't see folks with spiked green mohawks performing country songs in Nashville... and you don't see folks wearing cowboy outfits performing in punk bands. It is what it is.
@@michaelbedsole970 As for the music, to each their own. I love it when artists cross genre boundaries. It makes for more interesting music and also works as a gateway artist into multiple different genres.
As for people's looks: It doesn't have to be like that. And for the new generation, it isn't. They're more open-minded than that.
@@Zinetha Some genre boundary crossing in music can be good... BUT, the mixing has to "work" and fit. I'm not a fan of mixing genres just to be doing or trying to claim you invented something new when they final product sounds atrocious.
As for the looks, sorry... but I'll stick with the position that a certain look is a part of a genre just like the sound. I don't want mismatched eclecticism in my music, sonically or aesthetically.
I'd put myself in the not for me category. Maybe it will draw people into the scene though and that can't be a bad thing.
As someone who loves things that definitely are different/unique (such as Mindless Self Indulgence and Skindred) I think Pop Metal is fun. I just love all genres and seeing people change it up and constantly doing cool stuff is just fun.
Man I worked for an alternative radio station late 90s early odds, and whenever a "female" hard band came out everyone was fascinated, but like the same way you would at a freak show. And I was no different: remember interviewing a smallish all female band at the Warped Tour (god can't remember who) and I kept circling back to the fact they were girls. I really didn't mean anything by it, and I was just really interested in how that made them unique, but the signer kinda took it differently and god offended after a few questions in that direction. At first I was taken aback and sort of offended myself (maybe a bit because there was really not much to their music IMO) but a few years later I got it: they just wanted to play their beats and be part of it, and I'm guessing they got a LOT of tasteless shit backstage too. That's what I called the "Zoo Period" (you go and gawk, then go back home and forget about it).
Then bands like Kitty in the "real" metal scene, Nightwish in the "look we do opera" crown (they were actually stellar people, met with me for an interview at brunch after they couldn't make it the night of their show... great folk), and a metric ton of other bands with females started taking off in popularity. Then came Evanescence. Boy did they ever get hate. I still hear a shameful amount of people saying how this was just done for the "trend" and it was because they wanted radio play... well yeah! It's the early 2000s, that's the ONLY way you can make it! Anyway, after a while it became clear that all female or female fronted bands weren't just a trend, and that they made some solid music, and yet they still got tons of hate just because it was perceived as being different.
Now we have amazing bands with female singers or musicians that make some of the best metal out there, or at least objectively, contribute to metal music in a meaningful way, and not just in this little crease of the scene they were bestowed like it was 20 years ago. No, real impact with real music. Whoever talks about the purity of the scene, or what's metal and what's not, or who should or shouldn't be praised or hated really are only using their opinions as facts. If you don't like it, for whatever reason, just don't fucking listen to it and move on! No one is forcing you to listen to anything. Unless you're a permanent resident in Guantanamo but I digress. Bottom line is I bob my head at Scene Queen, it's not bad workout music actually. Some of those breakdowns are pretty hard too. Would I go see a show? Eh maybe if they were with another band I really like. Shit I'd go to a Baby Metal show to see how that goes and I'm not really big on their music. And if she's fighting against the machine, then by fuck good on her!!! This is not my fight, but I can certainly respect a warrior...
Metal started out by disenfranchised youths trying to carve themselves an identity and a culture they felt safe in. We all think this way at some point. But we need to ask ourselves: who the fuck are we to tell other people how they should be? Because that really only makes us the people that the first metalheads wanted to steer away from.
Dear god that was a long post. Sorry. Great vid!
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Absolute garbage. Scene Queen ends up making Nickelback sound good by comparison.
While a few of the vocals can be a little bit annoying (such as "big dumb stupid men" in BDSM), I think it adds to the rawness and realness of this already fantastic album. I love how it switches back and forth between pop and metal because like can so quickly flip back and forth between good and bad. As someone that is multiple letters in the LGBTQIA+ community, I feel like this album has really good representation and it feels like such a safe space for us. Overall, I would prefer if it had a little bit more metal in it, but its a solid 9/10 😁
I don't want Cardi B and Nicki Minaj mixed in with my metal. I understand there's a market for it, and it's all in good fun, but it's not for me. That said, I love the Genitorturers so go figure.
"Should I be the one to comment on this." Yes. UA-cam fed you to me through the algorithm. Never heard of you before (no offense) but also never heard of Scene Queen. Now I have, and I appreciate the nuanced and positive take. Do keep up the good work.
Scene Queen isn't for me and that's fine. Surely if a band or artist brings in new fans or helps expand horizons that's a good thing? Like nothing about Scene Queen stops you from enjoying other bands if her music isn't to your taste. I hate gate keeping. This is a really positive video and I had to give your channel a sub because of it
As a trans fem, i get that she may not be for everyone, but fuck if she doesn't make me feel seen. Like she's obviously not going to appeal to the old heads, but does anything? Metal fans are the first to line up to eat their own, and I don't see this going any differently.
Exactly. The rock community in general has a weird distain for new rock bands, I'm starting to think that they want rock to die out.
Dreadful. Reminds me of brokencyde
Personally I enjoy scene queen quite a bit. The juxtaposition is part of the appeal, but she is also exactly what she says on the tin. She's taken metalcore and drunk (specifically Millionaires style) and mashed it together into something great. She's empowering and feminist which is something the original "scene" was the exact opposite of. Wonder why she is so great? Look at the lengthy list of sexual allegations and misogynistic lyrics of mid 2000-2010s "scene" bands. I appreciate you making this video.
Metal have mingled with "pop" since forever. If there's a popular music trend going on you can bet that metal with try to do something with it. Listen to Bang Bang with Danger Danger and tell me it doesn't sound like I wanna dance with somebody by Whitney Houston for example. I was made for loving you with Kiss sounds lika pop disco song by Donna Summer. Limp Bizkit cashing in on the hip-hop pop trend in the early 90's. Alice in Chains sounds like if you metalized Grunge and Rammstein as if you metalized synth pop.
We got so many various artists and music nowadays, everybody should just listen to whatever he likes. I saw Scene Queen live (twice) supporting PVRIS in Europe a couple months ago and it wasn’t this bad at all
Nice straightforward honest take. No glazing or hating, pretty refreshing.
I stumble upon this video very entertaining and i have subscribe as well .hope see more 🤘🤘
I’ve never had you pop up in my feed before, and as a Scene Queen fan, who very much loves and relates to this album, your thumbnail got my attention.
It is so nice to hear an actual, informative review that highlights the artistry behind Scene Queen. I am typically more drawn to the death and thrash subgenres, so Scene Queen is very different for me and you hit exactly why I was drawn to them, including in the sound. Sure, there’s a heavy pop influence but there’s also very “traditionally” heavy elements that I hope people don’t overlook.
I think Ke$ha is a good comparison, since she started off with a pop rap song. Also, exact same birthdays...
I just discovered them but I like it.
Eh. It's just boring. Most things in life are boring
I've got no problem with this music existing - but it's worth asking what "lane" of music it belongs in.
There's an uncanny valley between "Metal with Pop elements" and "Pop with Metal elements" - and we are pretty much crossing into the latter. Also - the type of "Metal" in her music is Metalcore which is already a hybrid genre - and the "heavy parts" are hardcore-esque breakdowns - ie. music from the Punk/Hardcore realm, not the Heavy Metal realm.
Again - there is no issue with this existing but the fact that Metal Hammer push this act as well as Sleep Token so much really puts me off Metal Hammer.
I don't mind scrolling past music I'm not into but when it gets to the point where it's annoyingly oversaturated with this kind of stuff - I am more inclined to follow other, more "exclusionary" outlets/pages.
I think if we called this Metal Pop instead of Pop Metal - there would be a bit more of a tolerance for it.
It's a subgenre of Pop music that includes Metalcore elements, that's fair enough. Why don't we embrace that instead?
i don't think shes a idunstry plant, cause her music is too cringy
I enjoy a few specific pop artists, which makes all of Scene Queen's songs bops to me. As a lesbian it's also very refreshing to hear a cishet metalhead dude be so chill about this all. Oh, and her music is very empowering in the way it uplifts female sapphic sexuality.
@@nemuhru If you're interested in female bands that uplift female sexuality give Dogma a try. They're a very new band, only 1 album at the moment and they just started touring this month. Their sound has a dominant 80s hard rock/metal aspect with a mix of other aspects thrown in (nothing blatantly pop, thankfully).
@@michaelbedsole970 I would say they are heavily influenced by euro power metal...pretty damn sexy group of ladys
@@waveslayer007 Yes indeed, they are. Basically the best band I've come across in the past year or so. In an interview I heard the vocalist, Lilith, reference 80s rock/metal as being a strong influence on all members of the band. Hope they eventually come to my neck of the woods to do a show. I'm usually not the concert going type, but for Dogma I'll definitely make an exception.
@@michaelbedsole970 check out Nungara, I believe that was thier name, they are damn good, and I also like punk alot and best newer band I have heard is Fidlar...not metal at all but I really like most of what I have heard from them, start with Get Off my Wave
@@michaelbedsole970 Dogma has issues. Like how most of the songs are written by dudes for dudes and all their art and live shows are meant to appeal to the male gaze.
Gatekeepers ruin every community they plant themselves into. Oh yeah, I remember all the hate on Babymetal dating back to 2015
I recently discovered scene queen. she's killing it! her, babymetal, and poppy are doing the pop metal thing right! It feels very refreshing to do something super different. I'm a music nerd and LOVE metal and hard rock. I love how scene queen is taking advantage of good algorithmic song titles with fun lyrics. metal has taken itself too seriously the last 30 years. this new stuff feels very 80s in spirit of let's have fun and make good music. very refreshing to say the least. this is what music is supposed to be: entertainment and fun! since the late 2000s metal has taken itself waay too seriously and focused on perfection in production and technical skill. while that's necessary, i'd rather have a fun catchy song that is super heavy still (with good meaningful lyrics). Metal started as a performance and theater of the occult. it started about doing shit no one else did. Glad the trend is continuing.
Personally my dream was to have boy band pop hooks and vocal style with heavy metal. so far I've only collaborated with singer-songwriters on my metal tracks (to be released soon).
@@CreativeMindsAudio No... just no. I can't stand pop "metal".
@@michaelbedsole970 that’s fine if you don’t enjoy it. But no need to gate keep. Still metal.
@@CreativeMindsAudio No, it isn't. You can enjoy it if you want, but don't expect me to refer to THAT as metal. As far as "gate keeping" allegations go, genres have defining characteristics... otherwise there would be no musical genres if it was an "anything goes" situation.
@@michaelbedsole970 I guess? But like these bands I listed all have those defining characteristics of metal. But what do I know. I just wrote for metal underground for 10 years doing news about metal and interviewing metal bands and all that fun stuff. I definitely have NO idea what I’m talking about 🙄
@@CreativeMindsAudio You definitely don't seem to grasp that pop "metal" isn't metal.
I just saw her with a bunch of other bands, didn’t go to see her but holy crap her show was absolute fire.
These bands like bmth or elevtric callboy do attract a different crowd to the metal festivals though. More fratboys ironically and the like. (But so did numetal back in the day and those folks were a lot worse) Gatekeeping is bad Id agree but we dont need to stand for everything. Basically we need standards for behavior is what I am saying.
@@VonFreklstein Nu metal sucked big time. Each genre of music has to have boundaries, otherwise no genres would exist.
*has a flashback to 2001 and Andrew WK*
I’ve never heard of SQ but sounds pretty raddd haha I listen to anything from grind like wormrot and insect warfare to coast contra hip hop.. country like The Devil makes three.. city pop like Taeko Onuki or Saito Marina (hopefully I spelled these correct 😅) but just because you love bands like Pathology or Dying Fetus doesn’t mean you should exclude yourself from enjoying pop and hip hop or everyone’s favorite to hate in the scene “country” because there’s amazing artists in any genre
The angry diatribe that the dude quotes in this as indictment of the gatekeeping in the scene received TWO LIKES in a matter of EIGHTEEN WEEKS. Dude went out of his way to find the most irrelevant possible person to reference. Can we please make a new rule where you can't use completely ignored and completely irrelevant content as examples of audience opinion? It would be a different story if this was a well-liked, commonly expressed opinion, but citing a comment with TWO LIKES over EIGHTEEN WEEKS is about as legitimate as citing the graffiti on a bathroom stall
edit: for the record, I am a FAN of Scene Queen, so this isn't some angry response comment. I'm just calling out bad form where it exists.
It's unique, self-aware and has a good message. No issue.
Subbed for the Lorna Shore joke
a good video!!! i may not like the title that feels like rage bait, (even though it was answered at the end), but I am glad to hear from people who like scene queen!! I also dislike MILF, I don't like country at all, but 18+ and pink cocaine are my favourite songs so far by her, and it speaks a lot to the style and stuff she's contributing to. Someone also mentioned Ennaria, I love her too. CORPSE as well. I like the artists that put a twist on their music, instead of necessarily one genre. I don't think I'll ever like completely metal music. But it's nice to enjoy sometimes. And I think it's nice. Does that make me a true metal-head, no, but like, it makes me able to diversify my taste, and I feel like that's a good thing.
Most all metal is good, though I admit I was never big on the nu metal thing back in the day but I'm not going to disparage it or any of the artists. Any metal is better than today's country music. And yet, back in the 80s some of the metal bands like Warrant and Roxx Gang out of Florida would incorporate some banjo and southern rock vibes in some of their songs. Heck, I've heard some southern rock bands that were as heavy as many of the metal acts around. It's all good. "To bring good where there once was evil, to bring love where there once was hate, to bring wisdom where there once was ignorance; this is the power of White Witch." Rock on!
Hey now.. there is good country out now… Tyler Childers, even young artists like Mason Ramsey, very promising
LGBTQ+ person here and I feel super empowered and seen by her music. Love what she's doing and appreciate the thoughtful analysis
Ever heard of Otep? She's gay, was sexually abused as a child (which she referenced in many songs), but made actual earnest heavy (at some points extreme) music instead of trying to be Britney Spears singing over downtunned guitars. The problem with mainstream pop music is that it's sanitized crap lacking in sincerity. Metal always stood against that.
Your channel is criminally undersubbed! This is such a thoughtful and honest review with common sense through the roof. 10/10 content
Thank you so much that's so nice 🤘
Nah I'll just stick to doom.
In defence of gatekeeping: I am from the punk scene, so I don't have a dog in this particular fight. But we have a similar issue over in our corner. I don't have a problem with any of this music and I'm sure it will all find it's audience, but this latest generation of music makers doing the genre mashup as if they are the first to do so (as if Hayseed Hardcore wasn't a thing in 1983), but beyond being blind to history, even all that is cool, at points. My problem comes when you can apparently tack on the word 'punk' (or 'metal' for all yall )to anything, just because you want the street crew, or whatever, it just diminishes the meaning of punk (or metal). Basically, in my opinion, anything beyond one adjective immediately takes you out of 'the family'. Hardcore punk, that's punk. Anarcho-punk, that's punk. Cottagecore minimalist synth punk? That's definitely something, and I wish them the best, but it's not punk. 🤷♂
i think people are being way too deep.
she wants your money, give her it or dont.
please dont use this band as more fuel for gender wars. none of the quoted comments were mysgonistic, Metal is used to girls lol dont stoop to drawing for that card.
not everyone likes every thing. thats fine.
I havent listened to the band, this is my only exposure to Scene Queen.
I do listen to Metal and guess Im kinda "elitist" to my taste. That is, I like what I like because I like it and dont venture very far from it. I just havent heard new or other stuff. But Metal is kinda gonna be Metal whether I listen to it or not. Trap has gone a bit Metal, pop, edm, punk, rock, country for gods sake, have all been a bit Metal. You cant gatekeep Metal.
People need to remember they are insignificant, not in a nihilstic way just that, thats like, YOUR opinion, man. ;)
I saw Scene Queen last night in New Jersey on her Summer School Tour. Most of the bands were pure garbage but Scene Queen was fucking amazing. I'd pay to see her again but not the other bands. BIMBO CORE!
Bands/artists that mix different things together always appeal to me more than those that do not, especially in rock and metal music.
Thanks to this video popping up on UA-cam, I've found another fun and original artist with a sense of humour and originality, so cheers for that!
However, using a few comments from one article as being proof of misogyny in the metal scene is a bad argument. This is mainly because none of those comments are about disliking the music because it is made by a woman in the first place. Even if they were, what reason would there be to assume that they would represent as many people as your video implies?
You've projected your own assumptions on to those comments when, at face value, those people appear to just not like the music or image, which is their prerogative.
I don't like hairy overweight men in black band t-shirts scowling at me in band photos but that doesn't make me a misandrist.
Why did you mention your country of origin, skin tone, and you not being a transsexual as being barriers to talking about this subject? There is no connection and it makes no sense.
The same people shitting on Scene Queen are the same people who probably think Dream Theater is "fake metal" because of James Labrie's power tenor vocals. Not every fucking band needs to have cookie monster growling ffs
Metal has always had this 'push and pull' between conformity and subversion, it was like this when I was a kid in the 80s, you always had people insisting they could definitively answer what constituted 'real metal'. An exercise in futility then, and even more so now.
Metal is where the guitar or equivalent takes the lead over vocals. It's why metal can have incoherent lyrics but still sound good.
It's why power metal is called power metal. The guitar in it takes even more of a lead in that basically every song has a solo.
I don't feel like listening to this garbage bland shit to analyze it but feel free to do it and find out if she's metal or not.
Scene queen reminds me a lot of in this moment who leaned into the hate and wrote sex metal Barbie which I do enjoy so I will have to try scene queen
i had heard the Girls Gone Wild Collaboration with Wargasm, but now I really got enlightened to what is happening over there... I kinda like the way she sort of makes fun of the pop sleazy tunes and then explodes into the metal combination, perhaps it strikes on my bipolar side, yet to some the clash of genres might not be their thing
Well, "suppose to present themselves as" is the least alternative thing you could have said, but I know what you meant. Just saying is all.
Thank you so much for this video, I really enjoyed watching immensely
Calling what Polyphia has become "metal" is certainly disingenuous...
No there should be different stuff even if I don't like it. But even so none of this is new even what Sleep Token is doing is basically what Issues did 10 years ago
The most frustrating part about the clip you showed at 9:30 is that it isn't even a two-step riff
Scene Queen is more cringe than she is awesome overall, but the "Twerkle pit, twerk in the circle pit!" bridge might be the best bridge in the past decade
I absolutely adore scene queen and I can happily recommend her to everyone.
I think Scene Queen, are class, they're definitely trying to get a reaction though
I LOVED this review, thanks for deciding to post it after all
angry comments online=the industry, got it
If you don't know Scene Queen lol up a song by her called Finger or 18+
3:39 Scene Queen x Gutulax collab needs to happen imho
How could u call wargasm hyperpop 😪
Fuck yes something as a bridge between my pop playlists and metal playlists!
Thank you for introducing me to this album 🧡
And fuck YES MORE QUEER METAL
You know about the existence of Judas Priest and Gaahl right?
@@Zeitgeist6 yes I do and I adore them! But I always get excited for more!
@@Zeitgeist6 does Gaahl write songs with lyrical themes about queerness?
@@wayfaringspacepoet I don't know, but does he need to? To be honest, to me it doesn't make him a less valid gay person.
Not all songs need to be about relationships or sex.
Those topics I consider to be a cop out. It's a cheap way to get your audience invested in the story. I don't like it from straight artists either.
A good storyteller can tell an interesting/exciting story about something else than relationships.
this band sounds like 2008 suburbia, not a bad fit
Rate Scene Queen a lot, and her shows are great fun!
Stop being a hater for no reason
You lost me at scene.
yes yes it has.
I love pop music and I also like metal because of bring me to the horizon and I found scene queen, who songs are very catchy. I also realise her songs are in your face and very dark as well as sexual like 18+, push-up bra and many more.
Even though she calls it Bimbocore, I do think it leans into nu metal with rapping and electronics put together (note: rap metal isn't the same as nu metal, but often related; kinda like metalcore vs crossover, or deathgrind vs goregrind). If you like "making metal fun," then Scene Queen may fit. I think a similar band would also be Sumo Cyco, but without rapping.
I feel the same about SQ. not really a fan of most of her music but I can see some of it growing on me. I like Pink Bubblegum and that one is on my playlist. Haven’t listened to the new album yet. Will eventually since I probably will see her with Babymetal coming this November. But when I first started looking into her I did deeply admire what she was about and trying to do. I really enjoyed her interview with Nik Nocturnal.
Why not just give attention to In This Moment instead?
This is so very unrelated to the topic of this video, but I notice a trend in the comments here. We have a lot to say, and we articulate ourselves very well.
There are so many times in this current world with media consumption where everything needs to be said in a few words. Anything over a couple of words, reaction comments are "U rly think Im gona read this shhii." It really does disappoint me. And then you have people "liking" said comment. They can't be bothered to read any more than a few words, either. How is this acceptable?
Thank you my metal brothers and sisters for reminding me that not everyone in this world has a very short attention span, they are willing to actively engage in a proper conversation, and not all is lost.
Again, a very unrelated comment to this video, but thank you all for giving me some kind of hope that not everyone has given up with being able to actually talk/type/spell/read.
I am a scene queen STAN. I love her and what she stands for. I feel SOOO safe at her shows. I can’t read comments on anything anyone posts about her. I’ve never heard anyone’s music though and disliked it and then attacked them? You can dislike her music, but fuck why attack her??? Grow up.
Pink push up bra and 18+ mean so much to me for reasons I don’t want to speak about, but if you know what they’re about you know.
Thank you for this video. ❤
5:55-6:15--Yes, a lesson which can be generalised to many situations and everyone should have learned in kindergarten but which now seems completely lost on so many people....Kind of like their maturation stopped at...kindergarten age.
I saw her live a month ago and it was one of the best acts during the festival. It felt like a safespace and i had a headache afterwards because i was headbanging that hard xd
I actually saw scene queen live last year it was one of the best concerts i went to. Ive been listening to her music for a few years now. Im a metal head emo goth whatever you want to call me i love music thats the main thing.
Isn't that her from The Boys?
I think satire is lost on people.
I'd be listening to both underground and mainstream metal nowadays.
Soggy knees!
Lorna Shore, my favourite Softcore Pop metal band.
Kim Dracula goes pretty hard for a fusion of genres.
Ive went to Warped Tour as a Kid than had the Opportunity to get to play with a couple of my Friends bands and Punk hardcore Ska and other genre of Bands i played with and befriended. Never felt the Fight or Flight or was Triggered. I was playing in Duck N Cover the Ska Punk Band I sang my heart out and put everything into it was a great time. The only time an Alcohol did not help for other than guys flirting and girls that was about it Wait i almost did get in a Fight cause the singer of Paramore was being a rich snob spreading lies on social media about bands.
I've never heard of Scene Queen before this. Kinda curious about it but probably won't check it out right now. It just made me want to go back and listen to Sumo Cyco. I generally gravitate to punk and metal, but as I explore more and more music I see the value of many genres and i love the genre blending that's happening today.
wow, your channel deserves so much more! good quality commentary, I'm glad I got reccomended your video :)
I didn't even know there was a whole trending algorhythm of british dudes overanalyzing the music industry and pop culture, I thought Coolea was the only one
like or hate the music it is at least a creative fusion of genre