Nah he’s right. College football isn’t what it used to be. Regionality made it great and the greedy tv corporations decided college students needed to travel 100,000 miles a year so they can get ratings lol
What is it you think they could have done? This was set in motion way before them, and they didn't have the choice on USC and UCLA demanding a bigger cut of the money than the rest of the schools. When as a conference you don't listen to your biggest brands at all, this is the result. They found a better home where they can competitively fund their athletics department. Then the other schools wanted to make the same mistake when their new most important members wanted a bigger money share, so they had to do the same or else be relegated to tier 2 status with the leftover Big 12. They'd have been stupid to not just join the Big Ten and the PAC commissioner had no way to stop them.
@@johnwatsoniv384 I didn’t mean try to fix it by convincing USC/UCLA to stay. I meant fixing by preparing for the worst. Invite new members to create a brand new PAC12 look. The Big12 almost got dissolved when Missouri, TX A&M, TX, OU bolted to the SEC. The Big12 immediately invited new members to keep the conference together. The PAC12 should have immediately immediately invites new schools. Instead they sat around a whole year doing nothing & got jumped in line by the Big12 for a new TV deal.
Short-term, the move to the B1G makes it much harder for Oregon or Washington to win a conference title, but long-term it means a much larger revenue share. They should both have a reasonable shot of making the 12-team CFP.
Yes it will make it harder for teams like mine Michigan and for osu but because of the 12 team playoffs it will make the landing softer. I can't wait. Welcome to the B1G
Agreed. Not only that, but, the new streaming deal the PAC 12 was offered, is still less than what the Big Ten can offer these two schools, even at a bargain price. Oregon and Washington even at the offer of half of what USC and UCLA will receive, is still almost 20 million dollars more than the new Apple TV contract could offer them. At the end of the day, Money Talks.
I would like to see Stanford and Cal join them. B1G would have some sort of Pacific pod/sub-division with Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA -- helps with travel and scheduling, each team has a natural rival there, and if the B1G still cares about academics, you bring 2 absolutely world-class universities into the fold.
I normally like his takes but this is bad. I get from Illinois point of view this is bad, they just added likely losses to their schedule to teams they have no interest in playing. As an Oregon fan, if they keep the Civil War as a non-confirm game then Oregon will keep the rivalries I care most about. Wash, USC and new ones will grow as we play Mich, Ohio St. I did like the Standford rivalry but that was mostly because they were the only other good team for a bit.
@brandonjordan4596 I think the Apple Cup and Civil War will still be played yearly. Washington and Oregon need their own rivalry game because me being a Husky I hate the Ducks more than anyone
9:26 Oregon & Washington will likely still get their yearly rivalry games with Oregon State & Washington State, it just won’t be an in conference rivalry
@@user-do4ue7di7hNaw, not really. Had this been 20 years ago or even 10 shit like school work, homework, or even classes, it might be difficult to impossible, but with advancements in technologies and communications, it's not gonna be a problem or at least, not a big enough problem to matter. I think with some of the other sports their will be bigger hurdles to jump but I think that those issues will have been thought through before offers made and accepted. And I think those issues would have relatively been worked out. Whatever the case I don't believe things are going to be as terrible or untenable as some make it out to be.
Everyone could see this happening since last summer, when USC and UCLA made the decision to move to the Big Ten. Adding the next two Biggest athletic programs from the Pac 12 to the Big Ten, just made sense. Wait for Cal and Stanford to join, in the coming days. Colorado and Arizona will join the Big 12, and Arizona State and Utah will follow. That being said, its just a matter of time before the SEC makes another move, and possibly goes after Florida St., Clemson and U. Of Miami.... 4 conferences will stick around for a while, then, ultimately, we will have only 2 conferences which will turn into 2 athletic associations. The Big Ten in the North, and SEC in the South. And the remaining schools in Div. 1, will have to choose sides. Either North or South.
@@luc-rikardofils6673 Let the dust settle, and we'll be stuck with the big 4 conferences for the next decade or so. Then when the next round of TV contracts comes up in about ten years or so, we'll see the ACC and Big 12 broken up and divided between the BIG 10 and SEC.
How do Cal and Stanford join the Big Ten when they're not invited? The Big Ten has everything it wants from that side of the Mississippi except Texas, so now the focus is on ACC schools. The SEC will most likely not make any moves right now because they don't have hardly any moves left to make. They got Texas and now they don't have anywhere to expand into that gives them a larger footprint or more money than what they're already getting. The Big Ten has the chance to expand into all the biggest Southern states besides Texas by raiding the ACC, and it already contains the biggest states outside of the Southeast within its footprint now. The SEC can only expand to add more good football teams and block the Big Ten from getting those teams, but in the process they will hurt their existing members by creating less revenue to distribute per school, which will create a gap between the Big Ten's money and theirs. If they don't block the Big Ten though, the effect is the same because the Big Ten will expand into all these areas with lots of people (and good amounts of transplanted Big Ten fans) and that will make its media deals more valuable. The SEC also can't take ACC schools unless enough of those schools vote to dissolve the GOR so they can leave. They'd need to take on a lot of teams they don't want or work with another conference to gather up 7 or 8 programs that wanna leave so they can win that vote. The SEC also has to contend with the fact that these schools are going to have a chance at more money in the Big Ten than the SEC, and many of them are AAU schools that would make even more money working with the Big Ten universities on that than they ever will with sports.
I'm sorry, but your guest, the guy with the beard and glasses is out of his mind.. Big ten fans are going crazy. We love the fact that we're getting oregon in washington. And washington and oregon are loving it. Where did you get this guy from l o l
Why is that silly CBS guy asking why would the BIG take more teams? A minor could explain.....It's a big monopoly game....you grab the best properties for money and security
It's sad in a lot of ways, with some teams like Washington State and Oregon State left holding the bag. They will probably end up in Mountain West, and I could see Cal and Standford ending up in the B1G at some point.
I think -- I'm hoping, at least -- that Stanford and Cal are invited pretty soon. Certainly could be things about the money that I don't understand, but in pretty much every other way, Stanford and Cal are a good fit. And for what it's worth in terms of people who actually give a damn about football in the Bay Area, you _do_ get the Bay Area, and that's a lot of people.
@@stevesalisbury3657 It'd be interesting to get FSU/Miami/Clemson. It's gonna be hard with those grant of rights issues though unless they find a loophole out of it.
@@stevesalisbury3657 - Clemson + FSU + Miami = $360 million USD in penalties that needs to be coughed up by someone, yes? Notre Dame isn't interested, apparently.
Not on the verge, it happened. It's a done deal. Now the Big Ten has reach from Canada to Mexico on the west coast, and from Canada to the mason dixon on the East coast, and most of the midwest. The Big Ten is the ONLY National conference, with teams from coast to coast. The next to implode will be the ACC, and if the Big Ten manages to get FSU and Clemson, they'd be not only the biggest conference, they'd OWN the SEC.
@@marcvslicinivscrassvs7536 The SEC has a lock on the players in their territories. But the new TV deal will benefit the Big10 with some elite prospects. They will be able to offer players a lot of media exposure since they have 3 time zones and games airing on 3 different networks. And the Big10 now controls almost all the media markets outside the South. So they will be competitive on the recruiting front.
@@scratchpenny In theory. Right now Saban, Smart and others in the Sec have getting players from all over, especially CA. I'm not sure that is going to change immediately.
@@marcvslicinivscrassvs7536 I agree. Probably not immediately, but the Big10 does have very wealthy schools and favorable media markets. After all, the biggest-rated non-bowl game of the year is already consistently Michigan vs Ohio State. With them adding so many Western schools, it will likely benefit them down the road with recruiting. This is why everyone in the media is saying that it's already essentially just two conferences - SEC and Big10 - because that's the only conferences where the vast majority of the top prospects will go. In the near future, we will see that NIL and media markets will affect college football significantly. It's already happening. And it will mean traditions and loyalty won't exist for top prospects. Right now, guys like Saban and Smart have brands that can be relied upon to draw/keep recruits, but that can only last for as long as they're around. The CFB expansion will help increase the media exposure and fortunes of the top 15-20 programs. So amongst the top schools, I think there will be more recruiting parity than in recent years. But the gap between the haves and have-nots is going to drastically widen.
@@scratchpenny Totally agree with what you said about the NIL shaking things up and maybe evening things out. After all, USC's run in 2003-2005 was due to their "proto-NIL" practices. 😏 As for the SEC it has proven itself as THE "NFL training ground" since Saban arrived. That in itself is a huge brand and a sell for the absolute best players in the country. Clemson, Michigan, Ohio State, and maybe Oklahoma being the exceptions in certain years. I agree with you...what's here is here and there are really only two conferences. Which is sad for my old butt because I still miss the days when Nebraska and OU used to run the Big 8.
Yeah thats because USC and UCLA left them and the conference. They had no choice when things started crumbling. WA and oregon were talking to the big 10 a year ago too...
it sucks but it was all in the p12 leadership...total mismanagement...the commissionaire made more money then usc and oregon....paid MILLIONS just to keep the head office in the bay area.....why? its on and on...i do not blame any of the schools for leaving
he was largely right....and this is coming form someone who likes that the Big 10 is expanding and think it will add popularity to the sport in general....but I still think he is largely correct on the points he made
Blake. Oregon beat Utah last year. Oregon State Boat raced Florida last year. (Fart noise) Washington State Beat Wisconsin at Canp Randall last year (fart noise) Oregon is 2-1 against Michigan State in the last decade. (Fart noise) Oregon is 2-0 against Wisconsin in the last decade (fart noise) Utah is 2-0 against Michigan. Under hoke* and harbaugh. Arizona State has wins over Wisconsin and Michigan State in the last decade. Oregon has played in 3/4 pac championship games. They're 2-3 in those games. Utah is a fantastic program don't try to discount them for your argument. They kicked our butt in 2021. Oregon will have success and challenges in joining the BIG but they will be competitive as they have proved.
FOOTBALL: It's actually better to do a 18 Team Conference for Football because you can keep 9 Conference Games. You are only tied to your Rival or travel partner examples OREGON/WASHINGTON and MICHIGAN/OHIO STATE. That's 1x game every year and the other 8 games which is half of the remaining 16 and the other 8 teams the following year. With 16 teams for 9 Conference Games you would have to group them in 4×4 pods. Or drop to a 8 Game Conference Schedule like the SEC and the old days. Also for 16 Team Schedule, Rival 1x every year, then 7 and 7 the year after.
BASKETBALL: 18 Teams works the same way by being tied to your partner who you play twice a year and then you play everyone else once = 16 Teams = 18 Conferece Games, so far. Then to make it 20 Conference Games, GONZAGA and UCONN are added for Basketball and other Sports. Now, EVERYONE plays GONZAGA and UCONN both one time a year and GONZAGA and UCONN play eachother twice! Giving the first Conference with 20 Teams and 18 Teams for Football.
Tom's crazy. The move doesn't make sense? The writing has been on the wall for over a decade that all of this realignment was inevitable. If you haven't made sense of why this is happening by now, I seriously question your grasp on college football in general.
Huh? Rutgers doesn't have a big fan base, but it is in the NYC media market. With UCLA and USC the Big 10 has footprints in the NYC, Chicago, and LA markets. "Conferences" are nothing more than media conglomerates anymore.
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There is NO reason that the civil war or apple cup needs to go away unless one of the involved schools refuses to play its opponent. Cross conference rivalry games have been around forever, just because Oklahoma State wants to be babies about it doesn't mean that these former PAC schools have to be babies towards each other about their rivalries. Additionally, these four schools have rivalries amongst each other that will continue to grow and develop in the Big Ten. There is not one PAC rivalry that can't exist anymore because of this happening.
For die hard traditionalists..all these mergers and changes are heartbreaking. It's all haves and have nots. Long held traditions and rivalries throw away in a matter of days...all over greed. College football was unique and a break from pro sports. Now it's becoming almost professional. Soon everyone is getting paid.
Me too, as michigsn fan I love more competition, tired of sec acting like they play hard schedules.michigan vs those 4 teams excite me,tired of season revolving around osu game
Lol the Illinois fan is scurred of Oregon and Washington.. "WHY" ???? 😂😂😂 To become the premier coast to coast conference. We know NW, Indiana, and Illinois fans are gonna be scared and think this is gonna "hurt".. Your team sucks... that's not our problem.
Hmm I'm a Cal fan myself, but a bit pessimistic. I think the Big 10 will want to add Notre Dame and Stanford. Cal could "possibly" be given a lifeline at some point by the Big 12. Cal is definitely in an awkward spot, since it doesn't really fit culturally with the Big 12, and it's "too big" for the Mountain West.
@@DARKSEID76 if Notre Dame ends up in the Big10 then yes Cal is screwed. But if not, I can definitely see them going over with Stanford just due to their academics and it’ll add more balance to the conference on the west coast.
Big 10 put a bullet in the pac 12..that or the teams leaving the pac. In no way is the big 12 at fault. Also the big 12 has been the best basketball league because theyve done the besr in thr post season lately, the only thing that matters.
I'm cool with it the only problem that I have is that the conference's we're going to get paid like it's nobody's business but coaches like Nick Saban bitching and crying about players getting paid with the Nil
i remember Penn State and Nebraska running their traps about joining the weak B10..look where it got them, sure penn state is doing well now . They have won the same championships at North Western in those 20 years, and are 7-9 vs iowa since joining. Nebraska lol well we all know. You think your one on one bowl games once in a blue moon makes these Pac 12 teams better...wait till you are in the Midwest in winter...These teams are .500 teams, youll get your wins off illinoy , indiana , purdue , NW, minnesota, and the rest are bowl games. Good luck
The B1G is going to start making academic (aka stupid decisions) selections. Therefore, cal and Stanford welcome. After that, please, please, please make football decisions.
Tom has no vision... the B1G needed to add quality teams to balance out the dead weight.
Ore/Wash is a huge rivalry, get with it people.
Nah he’s right. College football isn’t what it used to be. Regionality made it great and the greedy tv corporations decided college students needed to travel 100,000 miles a year so they can get ratings lol
He's keeping his eyes closed because he knows the next step is reducing deadweight teams from the B1G.
usc ucla is a big rivalry....
The PAC12 commissioner & committee board all need to resign. They had 2-yrs to fix Larry Scott’s mess, didn’t even do anything the last 2yrs.
I mean the conference is dead they'll be without jobs soon regardless.
What is it you think they could have done? This was set in motion way before them, and they didn't have the choice on USC and UCLA demanding a bigger cut of the money than the rest of the schools. When as a conference you don't listen to your biggest brands at all, this is the result. They found a better home where they can competitively fund their athletics department. Then the other schools wanted to make the same mistake when their new most important members wanted a bigger money share, so they had to do the same or else be relegated to tier 2 status with the leftover Big 12. They'd have been stupid to not just join the Big Ten and the PAC commissioner had no way to stop them.
@@johnwatsoniv384 I didn’t mean try to fix it by convincing USC/UCLA to stay. I meant fixing by preparing for the worst. Invite new members to create a brand new PAC12 look. The Big12 almost got dissolved when Missouri, TX A&M, TX, OU bolted to the SEC. The Big12 immediately invited new members to keep the conference together. The PAC12 should have immediately immediately invites new schools. Instead they sat around a whole year doing nothing & got jumped in line by the Big12 for a new TV deal.
Short-term, the move to the B1G makes it much harder for Oregon or Washington to win a conference title, but long-term it means a much larger revenue share. They should both have a reasonable shot of making the 12-team CFP.
Yes it will make it harder for teams like mine Michigan and for osu but because of the 12 team playoffs it will make the landing softer. I can't wait. Welcome to the B1G
That dude from Illinois is brain dead, this move for UW and Oregon is absolutely a win
It's a win, because they were both stuck on the Pactanic. It was a loss for tradition.
Agreed. Not only that, but, the new streaming deal the PAC 12 was offered, is still less than what the Big Ten can offer these two schools, even at a bargain price. Oregon and Washington even at the offer of half of what USC and UCLA will receive, is still almost 20 million dollars more than the new Apple TV contract could offer them. At the end of the day, Money Talks.
I would like to see Stanford and Cal join them. B1G would have some sort of Pacific pod/sub-division with Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA -- helps with travel and scheduling, each team has a natural rival there, and if the B1G still cares about academics, you bring 2 absolutely world-class universities into the fold.
I normally like his takes but this is bad. I get from Illinois point of view this is bad, they just added likely losses to their schedule to teams they have no interest in playing.
As an Oregon fan, if they keep the Civil War as a non-confirm game then Oregon will keep the rivalries I care most about. Wash, USC and new ones will grow as we play Mich, Ohio St.
I did like the Standford rivalry but that was mostly because they were the only other good team for a bit.
@brandonjordan4596 I think the Apple Cup and Civil War will still be played yearly. Washington and Oregon need their own rivalry game because me being a Husky I hate the Ducks more than anyone
9:26 Oregon & Washington will likely still get their yearly rivalry games with Oregon State & Washington State, it just won’t be an in conference rivalry
Iowa and Iowa state have been doing this forever now so it could work
ESPN just announced it is official, Washington and Oregon in the Big 10.
It’s official. Their going to on a plane all year doing homework 😂😂😂
@@user-do4ue7di7hNaw, not really. Had this been 20 years ago or even 10 shit like school work, homework, or even classes, it might be difficult to impossible, but with advancements in technologies and communications, it's not gonna be a problem or at least, not a big enough problem to matter. I think with some of the other sports their will be bigger hurdles to jump but I think that those issues will have been thought through before offers made and accepted. And I think those issues would have relatively been worked out. Whatever the case I don't believe things are going to be as terrible or untenable as some make it out to be.
big 10 is now a nation wide power house
Not really
@@jordanjones4587explain why they're not? Explain what you mean not really
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Everyone could see this happening since last summer, when USC and UCLA made the decision to move to the Big Ten. Adding the next two Biggest athletic programs from the Pac 12 to the Big Ten, just made sense. Wait for Cal and Stanford to join, in the coming days. Colorado and Arizona will join the Big 12, and Arizona State and Utah will follow. That being said, its just a matter of time before the SEC makes another move, and possibly goes after Florida St., Clemson and U. Of Miami.... 4 conferences will stick around for a while, then, ultimately, we will have only 2 conferences which will turn into 2 athletic associations. The Big Ten in the North, and SEC in the South. And the remaining schools in Div. 1, will have to choose sides. Either North or South.
And East and West.
@@luc-rikardofils6673 Let the dust settle, and we'll be stuck with the big 4 conferences for the next decade or so. Then when the next round of TV contracts comes up in about ten years or so, we'll see the ACC and Big 12 broken up and divided between the BIG 10 and SEC.
How do Cal and Stanford join the Big Ten when they're not invited? The Big Ten has everything it wants from that side of the Mississippi except Texas, so now the focus is on ACC schools. The SEC will most likely not make any moves right now because they don't have hardly any moves left to make. They got Texas and now they don't have anywhere to expand into that gives them a larger footprint or more money than what they're already getting. The Big Ten has the chance to expand into all the biggest Southern states besides Texas by raiding the ACC, and it already contains the biggest states outside of the Southeast within its footprint now. The SEC can only expand to add more good football teams and block the Big Ten from getting those teams, but in the process they will hurt their existing members by creating less revenue to distribute per school, which will create a gap between the Big Ten's money and theirs. If they don't block the Big Ten though, the effect is the same because the Big Ten will expand into all these areas with lots of people (and good amounts of transplanted Big Ten fans) and that will make its media deals more valuable. The SEC also can't take ACC schools unless enough of those schools vote to dissolve the GOR so they can leave. They'd need to take on a lot of teams they don't want or work with another conference to gather up 7 or 8 programs that wanna leave so they can win that vote. The SEC also has to contend with the fact that these schools are going to have a chance at more money in the Big Ten than the SEC, and many of them are AAU schools that would make even more money working with the Big Ten universities on that than they ever will with sports.
@@johnwatsoniv384 it will happen.
Last time we had to choose between North and South things got ugly...
Oregon is currently 7th overall recruiting rankings in the nation and 3 in the BIG10 behind OSU & Michigan.
That’s a complete lie. It was unanimous from all Big Ten presidents. God I have better Sources than this guy. As a big ten fan I love it
I'm sorry, but your guest, the guy with the beard and glasses is out of his mind.. Big ten fans are going crazy. We love the fact that we're getting oregon in washington. And washington and oregon are loving it. Where did you get this guy from l o l
Why is that silly CBS guy asking why would the BIG take more teams? A minor could explain.....It's a big monopoly game....you grab the best properties for money and security
It's sad in a lot of ways, with some teams like Washington State and Oregon State left holding the bag. They will probably end up in Mountain West, and I could see Cal and Standford ending up in the B1G at some point.
I think -- I'm hoping, at least -- that Stanford and Cal are invited pretty soon. Certainly could be things about the money that I don't understand, but in pretty much every other way, Stanford and Cal are a good fit. And for what it's worth in terms of people who actually give a damn about football in the Bay Area, you _do_ get the Bay Area, and that's a lot of people.
I hope not,I'd rather go after clemson,miami,notre dame,Florida state.
@@stevesalisbury3657 It'd be interesting to get FSU/Miami/Clemson. It's gonna be hard with those grant of rights issues though unless they find a loophole out of it.
@@stevesalisbury3657 - Clemson + FSU + Miami = $360 million USD in penalties that needs to be coughed up by someone, yes? Notre Dame isn't interested, apparently.
I hope B1G get Wazzu and Beavers they’re good programs with great fan bases def better than Nike U fans
Not on the verge, it happened. It's a done deal. Now the Big Ten has reach from Canada to Mexico on the west coast, and from Canada to the mason dixon on the East coast, and most of the midwest. The Big Ten is the ONLY National conference, with teams from coast to coast. The next to implode will be the ACC, and if the Big Ten manages to get FSU and Clemson, they'd be not only the biggest conference, they'd OWN the SEC.
There is a good chance the SEC will still have a lock on the top players. It seems like GA, Bama, LSU tend to have the top players year after year.
@@marcvslicinivscrassvs7536 The SEC has a lock on the players in their territories. But the new TV deal will benefit the Big10 with some elite prospects. They will be able to offer players a lot of media exposure since they have 3 time zones and games airing on 3 different networks. And the Big10 now controls almost all the media markets outside the South. So they will be competitive on the recruiting front.
@@scratchpenny In theory. Right now Saban, Smart and others in the Sec have getting players from all over, especially CA. I'm not sure that is going to change immediately.
@@marcvslicinivscrassvs7536 I agree. Probably not immediately, but the Big10 does have very wealthy schools and favorable media markets. After all, the biggest-rated non-bowl game of the year is already consistently Michigan vs Ohio State. With them adding so many Western schools, it will likely benefit them down the road with recruiting. This is why everyone in the media is saying that it's already essentially just two conferences - SEC and Big10 - because that's the only conferences where the vast majority of the top prospects will go.
In the near future, we will see that NIL and media markets will affect college football significantly. It's already happening. And it will mean traditions and loyalty won't exist for top prospects. Right now, guys like Saban and Smart have brands that can be relied upon to draw/keep recruits, but that can only last for as long as they're around. The CFB expansion will help increase the media exposure and fortunes of the top 15-20 programs. So amongst the top schools, I think there will be more recruiting parity than in recent years. But the gap between the haves and have-nots is going to drastically widen.
@@scratchpenny Totally agree with what you said about the NIL shaking things up and maybe evening things out. After all, USC's run in 2003-2005 was due to their "proto-NIL" practices. 😏 As for the SEC it has proven itself as THE "NFL training ground" since Saban arrived. That in itself is a huge brand and a sell for the absolute best players in the country. Clemson, Michigan, Ohio State, and maybe Oklahoma being the exceptions in certain years. I agree with you...what's here is here and there are really only two conferences. Which is sad for my old butt because I still miss the days when Nebraska and OU used to run the Big 8.
RIP Pac-12
We hardly knew yee..
Reports in last hour saying Utah has applied for membership to Big 12
good for them....love there coach and there program
RIP Civil War and Apple Cup and the other long historic rivalries that are broken due to realignment.
Yeah CFB rivalries are big casualties of realignment. It's all about the 💰!
The annual in-state rivalry games don't necessarily have to end. Iowa vs. Iowa State; Florida vs. Florida State; Georgia vs. Georgia Tech, etc
@@emeryjl Some will continue, but others won't. I guess the Rose Bowl will now be the B1G vs at large.
@@RedscfbreviewNah, I think the Rose Bowl will permanently be a part of the playoffs especially with the expansion to 12 teams, etc.
All these old guys complaining crying the tradition we will no longer have bad games the first 3 weeks of football no more beating up on speedway
ASU, UA and Utah would have jumped regardless of what Oregon and Washington did. I am glad they moved on.
Yeah thats because USC and UCLA left them and the conference. They had no choice when things started crumbling. WA and oregon were talking to the big 10 a year ago too...
im gonna miss playing utah...go ducks
yes I cried when I got the news, I love the pac ten...pac 12
it sucks but it was all in the p12 leadership...total mismanagement...the commissionaire made more money then usc and oregon....paid MILLIONS just to keep the head office in the bay area.....why? its on and on...i do not blame any of the schools for leaving
CFB needs a separate athletic union to the Olympic sports. One where travel and regionality play more of a factor in decision making.
two big time conferences. NFC/AFC
B10 Title Game at the Rose Bowl??
i like it
Fornelli is lost.
he was largely right....and this is coming form someone who likes that the Big 10 is expanding and think it will add popularity to the sport in general....but I still think he is largely correct on the points he made
@@nweeezy I don't...
Blake.
Oregon beat Utah last year.
Oregon State Boat raced Florida last year. (Fart noise)
Washington State Beat Wisconsin at Canp Randall last year (fart noise)
Oregon is 2-1 against Michigan State in the last decade. (Fart noise)
Oregon is 2-0 against Wisconsin in the last decade (fart noise)
Utah is 2-0 against Michigan. Under hoke* and harbaugh.
Arizona State has wins over Wisconsin and Michigan State in the last decade.
Oregon has played in 3/4 pac championship games. They're 2-3 in those games. Utah is a fantastic program don't try to discount them for your argument. They kicked our butt in 2021.
Oregon will have success and challenges in joining the BIG but they will be competitive as they have proved.
FOOTBALL: It's actually better to do a 18 Team Conference for Football because you can keep 9 Conference Games. You are only tied to your Rival or travel partner examples OREGON/WASHINGTON and MICHIGAN/OHIO STATE. That's 1x game every year and the other 8 games which is half of the remaining 16 and the other 8 teams the following year. With 16 teams for 9 Conference Games you would have to group them in 4×4 pods. Or drop to a 8 Game Conference Schedule like the SEC and the old days. Also for 16 Team Schedule, Rival 1x every year, then 7 and 7 the year after.
BASKETBALL: 18 Teams works the same way by being tied to your partner who you play twice a year and then you play everyone else once = 16 Teams = 18 Conferece Games, so far. Then to make it 20 Conference Games, GONZAGA and UCONN are added for Basketball and other Sports. Now, EVERYONE plays GONZAGA and UCONN both one time a year and GONZAGA and UCONN play eachother twice! Giving the first Conference with 20 Teams and 18 Teams for Football.
Oregon will still play Oregon State every year
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Tom's crazy. The move doesn't make sense? The writing has been on the wall for over a decade that all of this realignment was inevitable. If you haven't made sense of why this is happening by now, I seriously question your grasp on college football in general.
Cal and Stanford get left behind, sad.
Having 4 west coast teams really helps with travel concerns with expanded B1G.
The head scratcher was adding Rutgers
I wonder if they'd consider kicking schools out.
Huh? Rutgers doesn't have a big fan base, but it is in the NYC media market. With UCLA and USC the Big 10 has footprints in the NYC, Chicago, and LA markets. "Conferences" are nothing more than media conglomerates anymore.
It's about the College Footbal playoffs & it''s about the TV rights for College Football.
The Big 10 needs to change it's name. There hasn't been 10 teams in this conference for well over a decade..
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My Mom told me not to say mean things to strangers, so I'm only going to tell you this. Find better analysts please.
I hope FOX CBS NBC will be paying these schools 💰💰💰 now and after their vesting period ends, and not coming out of existing members pockets.
Matt Norlander does not spend any time examining the west coast schools.
There is NO reason that the civil war or apple cup needs to go away unless one of the involved schools refuses to play its opponent. Cross conference rivalry games have been around forever, just because Oklahoma State wants to be babies about it doesn't mean that these former PAC schools have to be babies towards each other about their rivalries. Additionally, these four schools have rivalries amongst each other that will continue to grow and develop in the Big Ten. There is not one PAC rivalry that can't exist anymore because of this happening.
Looks like Oregon State is playing for a PAC-12 Championship…….Bad day for a Beaver fan.
"It came down to money"
At what point was this ever about anything ELSE? lol
Dear tom , so let teams stay and sink with pac 12? They can still have non conference rivalries every year. Michgan st vs usc 😆 really?
It’s why Fornellin is in CBS nowhere near B1G #keephating invite Quinn next to pile more hate with their extreme biases
For die hard traditionalists..all these mergers and changes are heartbreaking. It's all haves and have nots. Long held traditions and rivalries throw away in a matter of days...all over greed. College football was unique and a break from pro sports. Now it's becoming almost professional. Soon everyone is getting paid.
It's an obvious move. U don't have a true rose bowl now so now we got these west Coast teams playing the Midwest weekly. Sounds amazing to me. Go Blue
Me too, as michigsn fan I love more competition, tired of sec acting like they play hard schedules.michigan vs those 4 teams excite me,tired of season revolving around osu game
@@stevesalisbury3657and if Oregon and Washington accept and fsu and Clemson go to the big10 the sec might actually have legitimate competition
All for the change!
Rivalry game > national championship
Pac 12 can keep Cal. The Big Ten would be better off with Stanford, Notre Dame, and Utah
What do you mean you don’t know why the big 10 is doing this? You have your head in the ground! Money, power!
Oh stop. The realignment renewed more rivalries than it broke. The pac12 was ripe for destruction.
Lol the Illinois fan is scurred of Oregon and Washington.. "WHY" ???? 😂😂😂 To become the premier coast to coast conference. We know NW, Indiana, and Illinois fans are gonna be scared and think this is gonna "hurt"..
Your team sucks... that's not our problem.
The B1G is the NFC
And sec is the afc
Rivals can still play each other. They can do it as the out of conference game each season if the teams are in different conferences.
This guy is scared of Oregon Washington usc and UCLA
R.I.P. college football
Are these steps towards “super-leagues” threatening to the institutional existence of the NCAA?
they really took a beating from the BIG 12 here🤦
Take Utah
They gotta grab Cal and Stanford also at this point
Hmm I'm a Cal fan myself, but a bit pessimistic. I think the Big 10 will want to add Notre Dame and Stanford. Cal could "possibly" be given a lifeline at some point by the Big 12. Cal is definitely in an awkward spot, since it doesn't really fit culturally with the Big 12, and it's "too big" for the Mountain West.
@@DARKSEID76 if Notre Dame ends up in the Big10 then yes Cal is screwed. But if not, I can definitely see them going over with Stanford just due to their academics and it’ll add more balance to the conference on the west coast.
@@donjuan914 I definitely hope that's the case lol.
Worst thing to ever happen in college football. Greed was more important.
Cal Stanford indi. Wsu Oregon state mwc
Big 10 put a bullet in the pac 12..that or the teams leaving the pac. In no way is the big 12 at fault. Also the big 12 has been the best basketball league because theyve done the besr in thr post season lately, the only thing that matters.
NO....the pac 12 commissioner killed the p12
Is it going to be big10 west and big10 mid west divisions
2 9-team division and play 1 cross division game.
AFC (B1G) vs NFC (SEC)
College Super Bowl coming soon.
I said nfc more big10 and sec more afc but yeah
Explain to me what "coaches'es jobs" means...
Rutgers Maryland Indiana Illinois footbal 😂😂😂
I'm cool with it the only problem that I have is that the conference's we're going to get paid like it's nobody's business but coaches like Nick Saban bitching and crying about players getting paid with the Nil
My thoughts exactly. Greed wins
NO....stupidity in the p12 leadership killed the p12
Get Woke, Go Broke
i remember Penn State and Nebraska running their traps about joining the weak B10..look where it got them, sure penn state is doing well now . They have won the same championships at North Western in those 20 years, and are 7-9 vs iowa since joining. Nebraska lol well we all know. You think your one on one bowl games once in a blue moon makes these Pac 12 teams better...wait till you are in the Midwest in winter...These teams are .500 teams, youll get your wins off illinoy , indiana , purdue , NW, minnesota, and the rest are bowl games. Good luck
I hope you remember this comment this time next year.
Well make history, nobody cares
I’m afraid the acc is next
The B1G is going to start making academic (aka stupid decisions) selections. Therefore, cal and Stanford welcome. After that, please, please, please make football decisions.
This common-tater Tom is clueless. Terrible takes. Jim Rome would shoot you down dude.
Just go ahead and add Stanford and Cal to lock the NorCal market and make the conference 20 teams. It can be called the Big Tens or B1Gs.
Tom is a dinosaur who needs to be let go. Hes like your boomer uncle who doesn't understand why we dont use 8 tracks anymore.
The networks better deliver the cash
Ultimately they have no choice. Considering the OTA content they currently deliver.
The Big 10 screens for an academic “snoot factor.”
Oregon isn't ranked high and does little research
@@andrewmueller9986 no one cares
@@willl7780 just stating facts not saying anyone cares
only dip shits are looking at this from an academic standpoint...this is about football nothing more@@andrewmueller9986
I had to take my like back 😂 that was just 20 minutes of crying and whining smh
There will be a lot more college football in prime time in the east. 😁