The more I learn about the history of these conferences, the more I realize that instability and bickering has been the rule, not the exception, for most of their history.
It's insane how much has changed in just the month since this video came out. Utah, Arizona, and Arizona state all moved to the Big 12, Oregon and Washington moved to the Big Ten, and in just the last few days Stanford and Cal were added to the ACC, as well as SMU.
EDIT #2 - now the conference is fully dead, with Washington and Oregon headed to the B1G. This sucks for just about everyone involved that isn't a suit. I'm really sorry to everyone involved, especially the cities of Pullman and Corvallis. Come on, Colorado. I JUST made this video. Can't you guys have let it matriculate for just a few weeks? Sigh. Anyways-welcome back, Buffaloes. We left the light on for you.
@@captainspartan04 out of the corners, my guess is Arizona, since there's a lot of smoke there, but their AD or president (can't remember which) has said some things recently that make me think they're trying to stay. Utah and ASU have been as close to adamant about staying as you can be, but money talks, and the PAC now has less. I know there's a lot of smoke on Oregon or Washington, but I'll maintain the same stance I have since USCLA-I'll believe a move happens when the schools themselves announce it. At the end of the day, I hate that this is all happening.
@@lukeontheplains I hate it too. Louisville fan, so I had to deal with the fall of the big east. It ruins all the rivalry and there is no regionalism anymore. I do agree Arizona could be next. Just wanted to know your thoughts or if it could be the wildcard you mentioned with UConn
UConn is an interesting one IMO. Yormark has made it clear he puts a high value on basketball, and UConn certainly is the most attractive option on that front. But I also think that there are suddenly 3 or 4 or maybe more options that are realistically obtainable now that weren't 48 hours ago that might also bring more to the table than UConn does. We'll see.
Oh man I’m a KState grad too and have been watching this play out in sadness. Seeing OSU and WSU be in the exact position we were really really close to being in twice is heartbreaking. Nobody actually wants this
This aged well. It’s so sad to watch how the PAC fell apart. Greed and pride ruined what was once an amazing conference with regionality and a true identity. Now it feels like we’re slipping into the NFL. I’m not sure if I can watch college football after this season. It’s gonna be too weird
They would have crushed the hurricanes too had they played. Most dominant defense in college football history. With the most dominant football player of all time, Steve emtman.
Here’s my humble take with all this conference realignment ridiculousness. It’s gotten so out of hand to the point it doesn’t make sense anymore. Because football is the driving force behind this mess, college football needs to become its own semi-pro league and let the other sports reset and rejoin their original conferences. Players now get paid, colleges get their TV money, and can still use their brands and resources. It’s beyond ridiculous to drag other sports into conferences to play teams all over the country that don’t have the same amount of revenue and resources. Give football its own league to divide up however they see fit, and let the other sports continue to compete within their traditional more regional based conferences.
This is the precise direction that things are heading in. Give it 2 TV contract cycles, and we'll be back to regional conferences. We'll probably have an over-arching football-only governing body with a figurehead who can actually wield power and make decisions. That governing body will count the B1G and SEC schools as members, along with the bigger names from the rest of what was the Power 5. Several have begun to speak of a system of elevation/relegation, which could also be quite interesting. Meanwhile, enjoy the last season of CFB as we know it.
As a South Carolina fan I consider myself lucky that our athletic department hitched a ride to the SEC train in the 90s. Long ago enough that we aren’t outcasts like Mizzou and to get situated before this major realignment era. As an outsider to the other conferences dealing with losing their premier football powerhouses, I’m not a fan of this treatment of the conference structure. Going the way of the NFL with only two leagues seems stupid. But monetarily, this makes the most sense. I’m glad we already got on the boat decades ago but this is just not fun to watch.
I think if the PAC-12 wants to survive conference realignment in the future, they need to ditch the night cap games. Nobody in the Midwest or the east coast wants to stay up until 2 am to watch a football game.
As a Big 12 fan (AKA: Truck Stop league) & TCU Alumni I don't want the PAC 12 to Fail. I want them to Land some type of TV Deal. SEC & B1G are so far ahead of The other 2 & the ACC is $h!+ show all it's own I feel like the PAC screwed up majorly when they didn't Decide to work with The Big 12
Regarding the B12-P12 merger, I think one of the reasons of declining was because the PAC wanted the B12 to kick out the 4 new additions and West vrigina before merging. B12 refused to do that and, therefore, no dice. But that may be just a rumor.
I mean, that makes sense why the B12 would turn them down. They hold the cards, so why should they be giving up assets? West Coast elitism at its finest.
Great video. However I think the Big XII is more likely to survive than the PAC. The Big XII has been through a lot, but has done so without dying. The PAC loses two schools and all of a sudden can’t get a media deal.
Now I am a fan of a big time school who doesn't have to worry about how this will affect me personally (Michigan in case you're wondering), but I feel for you guys out in the Pac-12 and Big XII regions. You guys are being hung by the balls for TV moves that the majority of us fans of the big schools don't want. I can't speak for everyone, but I'm pretty sure most B1G and SEC schools would rather see conferences not get split up and destroyed by greedy TV executives. I personally believed that the system was already too imbalanced and unfair, hopefully we don't see everything get ruined.
As a Michigan fan who just moved to SoCal, I like the addition for purely selfish reasons. I'm still in "B1G country" now and I get to go see UM play out here. However if I stayed in the Midwest I realize I would probably hate all this conference realignment.
Quality like this deserves many, many more subscribers. Keep making these vids bro, you're delivering at a level that channels with six figure sub numbers don't get close to.
I hate that USC and UCLA are joining the Big 10, same with possibly Oregon and Washington. The Big 10 is a midwestern conference and what happens to the Rose Bowl a predominantly Big 10 vs Pac 12 bowl game when there is no Pac 12 to play.
"oh the band is out on the field!" - probably the most iconic play in college football history. That play kept John Elway from appearing in a bowl game at the end of his senior season. Elway didn't play in a bowl game during his time at Stanford. He was a great QB, obviously, but back then they didn't have nearly as many bowl games as they do now and his teams were always around the middle of the pack and they never got the invite for a bowl game.
I very much enjoyed this! Thanks for the content. Best of luck to Oregon State and Washington State going forward. I hope you both find your way back into the power five status somehow. My Oklahoma State Cowboys were inches away from your same boat. Go Pokes!
Pac-12 also tried selling its media rights overseas and traveling to China to play basketball games every year. Scott tried selling the rights to media holders in APAC and China but ultimately couldn't find a buyer. After 5 years of this experiment, the most memorable part was LiAngelo Ball stealing LV shades and belts in Hangzhou, China.
Ucla was the southern branch of the University of California. Therefore their fight songs, mascots, even some street names (such as Gayley) were the same. They switched to Bruins and powder blue and gold, instead of Golden Bears and blue and gold, once they were established as their own university, and competing in sports.
That is actually crazy that Whittier college was apart of the original schools lol I live down the street from the school pretty small private school that recently even got rid of their football program a few years ago
I think the chance to play for a national football title every year with the new playoff format should keep Oregon and Washington where they are, but what do I know
💀 pac 12 is dead. The four corner schools go to the big 12. udub, Oregon and the nerd California schools to the big ten. Washington state and Oregon state are left to rot welp
My prediction is that Washington, Oregon, Iowa State, and Notre Dame will eventually go to the B1G. Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, and Miami will go to the SEC. Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah will go to the Big 12
why would UNC leave for the SEC? They are a basketball school not a football school, and the ACC is a basketball conference. Not to mention, they would have far more say in the ACC than they would in the SEC.
B1G has always insisted if ND wanted to fully join the B1G they would have to be a full member with football (they did let ND join as an affiliate member for hockey only). ND always insisted on football independence, and the best they could do to join a conference (which they had to for the rest of their sports) while preserving ND football independence was their deal with the ACC. Even then, ND had to give up as small bit of their football program's autonomy, in scheduling a minimum number of their games against ACC schools. I don't believe ND could become a true independent in all sports because of modern business realities. With very few exceptions (such as ND football) you need a conference to survive in the modern era from a financial and competitive standpoint
Iowa State brings NO value to the B1G. The 'clones will be left out in the cold. ND will pair with Stanford into the B1G. Why else would Stanford willingly say that they don't need TV money right away? So much is now tied to that ACC deal, which has language that requires ND to join the ACC, if the Irish join a conference. Florida State is exploring the use of Saudi money to get out of the ACC. If the ACC collapses, then ND would be free to get a B1G payday, and the SEC could snap up a few Carolina/Tidewater area schools. So much MORE is now tied to the economic fortunes of Disney. It's ESPN money that has driven CFB to the point that it is presently at. What happens when that money evaporates via corporate bankruptcy? ESPN's own solvency issues may be what collapses the entire realignment, in time.
The death of the Pac started when the major heads of the conference didnt fight hard enough to get SC off probation. People forget how dominant the Trojans were during the early 2000s... Razorback fans and Auburn fans will say it never happen. But the men of troy would kick some SEC schools around and steal their recuits like it was nothing. Once that probation hit. All those west coast kids went south and to the mid west. All the while Orgeon and Washinton flobbed big time durinf the down SC years. Now you got the SEC as the dominant force followed by the Big 10. The big 12 is next and then the ACC . What the Pac should do... Get San deigo st.... Get Hawaii and San Jose St. Heck even UNLV anything to survive at this point
We were not good in the early 2000s😂 aside from the DMAC years. And those teams were not great. The SEC didn’t take football over until the late 2000s. I mean the SEC overall.
Your order of history around Colorado's departure from the Big12 compared to the remaining Big 12 to the Pac is completely inaccurate. The truth is the Pac-12 first talked to Texas and Oklahoma about joining but Texas wanted the entire Big 12 South to join. Stanford and Cal did not want Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and Baylor to join. Oklahoma refused to join without Oklahoma State. Stanford and Cal ultimately allowed Oklahoma State to get the deal done but were willing to kill the deal rather than let in a religious school (Baylor) join. Only then did Colorado enter the picture to replace Baylor as the 6th Big 12 school. Once the Pac-12 Presidents agreed to accept the applications from the 6 being Texas/Texas Tech/Texas A&M/Oklahoma/Oklahoma State/Colorado, THEN Oklahoma and Texas met with the other 4 Big 12 schools (Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Colorado) and pitched the idea. This is when everything went south. Texas A&M - being the Eastern most school of the 6 and a very conservative school did NOT want to join the Pac. The biggest issue was that the Pac had approached Oklahoma and Texas initially and NOT Texas A&M and this offended Texas A&M greatly. Texas A&M has the typical "little brother" complex within the State of Texas and feel like they are always in Texas' shadow and here was Texas again telling A&M what they should do. Texas A&M secretly decided they were NOT going to go to the Pac and secretly contacted secretly the SEC to gauge interest. This is when the story broke in the media about the possibility of the Pac-16. It was Texas A&M that leaked it. Remember Nebraska had already announced they were leaving for the B1G and Missouri had started a VERY public campaign to beg the B1G to take them as well. When it leaked and the Pac was told by Texas A&M they were not interested, then all hell broke loose. The Pac came back and suggested that Kansas could replace Texas A&M and pushed for the deal to get done. Texas actually started to get cold feet about departing the Big 12 without Texas A&M. Texas had no desire to be separated from Texas Tech OR Texas A&M. The Pac felt like Colorado leaving first could compel Texas to still depart without Texas A&M so Larry Scott told Colorado they had an invitation regardless of the rest of the Big 12...so Colorado did vote to depart and join the Pac first. Colorado leaving did not change Texas' decision to not depart, so everyone else stayed in the Big12 at that time. The Pac was now stuck with 11 members and needed a 12th. The Pac had already had been having discussions with Utah and Utah was a backup plan in case the Pac needed another school...and now they did - so that's when Utah got invited to form the Pac-12.
The predictions made toward the end of this video did not exactly work out. My prediction is Cal and Stanford will end up in the Big Ten. Washington State and Oregon State will end up in the mountain west conference. That is the most logical solution.
The way that Stanford has been acting tells me that they already have a quiet assurance of a B1G invite. I don't see Cal getting one, however. That last spot is reserved for the ultimate white whale of CFB; a ND that is forced to join a conference for financial reasons. Stanford and U$C both play ND in football annually already, too.
@@shackdaddy7106Makes sense for Stanford and Cal, they were never gonna get into the Big Ten, they don’t have the prestige of the other four that got in.
The more I learn about the history of these conferences, the more I realize that instability and bickering has been the rule, not the exception, for most of their history.
Agreed, I always thought conferences were stable for 30-40 years... but watching these videos has taught me... this is nothing new
It's insane how much has changed in just the month since this video came out. Utah, Arizona, and Arizona state all moved to the Big 12, Oregon and Washington moved to the Big Ten, and in just the last few days Stanford and Cal were added to the ACC, as well as SMU.
EDIT #2 - now the conference is fully dead, with Washington and Oregon headed to the B1G. This sucks for just about everyone involved that isn't a suit. I'm really sorry to everyone involved, especially the cities of Pullman and Corvallis.
Come on, Colorado. I JUST made this video. Can't you guys have let it matriculate for just a few weeks? Sigh.
Anyways-welcome back, Buffaloes. We left the light on for you.
Which corner school do you think joins them first?
@@captainspartan04 out of the corners, my guess is Arizona, since there's a lot of smoke there, but their AD or president (can't remember which) has said some things recently that make me think they're trying to stay. Utah and ASU have been as close to adamant about staying as you can be, but money talks, and the PAC now has less.
I know there's a lot of smoke on Oregon or Washington, but I'll maintain the same stance I have since USCLA-I'll believe a move happens when the schools themselves announce it. At the end of the day, I hate that this is all happening.
@@lukeontheplains I hate it too. Louisville fan, so I had to deal with the fall of the big east. It ruins all the rivalry and there is no regionalism anymore. I do agree Arizona could be next. Just wanted to know your thoughts or if it could be the wildcard you mentioned with UConn
UConn is an interesting one IMO. Yormark has made it clear he puts a high value on basketball, and UConn certainly is the most attractive option on that front.
But I also think that there are suddenly 3 or 4 or maybe more options that are realistically obtainable now that weren't 48 hours ago that might also bring more to the table than UConn does.
We'll see.
Shocking, and I guess uconn's next to join the big 12.
That SWC conference video going to hit like crack.
Do you smoke crack regularly?
Ikr
Did it?
For the most part, yes. @@bosserman444
Watching this video after the PAC-12 became the PAC-5 is awesome. Thanks for these videos.
Pac-4 now
Sad truth. ACC just sent an invite to Cal, Stanford, and SMU. Pac 2 now.
@@jaredstivers 2PAC
More like PAC dead.
Makaveli
R.I.P. Pac-12
Oh man I’m a KState grad too and have been watching this play out in sadness. Seeing OSU and WSU be in the exact position we were really really close to being in twice is heartbreaking. Nobody actually wants this
This aged well. It’s so sad to watch how the PAC fell apart. Greed and pride ruined what was once an amazing conference with regionality and a true identity. Now it feels like we’re slipping into the NFL. I’m not sure if I can watch college football after this season. It’s gonna be too weird
We're literally in the Twilight Zone of American college sports at this point, where anything can get weird
A video on the old WAC would be cool too. I think the first real super conference back in the late 90s.
I love that you decided to make this a series
UW's 1991 national championship is still considered legitimate. Not sure why it was mentioned it's disputed.
They would have crushed the hurricanes too had they played. Most dominant defense in college football history. With the most dominant football player of all time, Steve emtman.
Steve Emtman would be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame if it wasn’t for astroturf.
Man you have to do this for every conference, love the content, keep it up my guy👍
Here’s my humble take with all this conference realignment ridiculousness. It’s gotten so out of hand to the point it doesn’t make sense anymore. Because football is the driving force behind this mess, college football needs to become its own semi-pro league and let the other sports reset and rejoin their original conferences. Players now get paid, colleges get their TV money, and can still use their brands and resources. It’s beyond ridiculous to drag other sports into conferences to play teams all over the country that don’t have the same amount of revenue and resources. Give football its own league to divide up however they see fit, and let the other sports continue to compete within their traditional more regional based conferences.
This is the precise direction that things are heading in. Give it 2 TV contract cycles, and we'll be back to regional conferences. We'll probably have an over-arching football-only governing body with a figurehead who can actually wield power and make decisions. That governing body will count the B1G and SEC schools as members, along with the bigger names from the rest of what was the Power 5. Several have begun to speak of a system of elevation/relegation, which could also be quite interesting. Meanwhile, enjoy the last season of CFB as we know it.
I know this was used to describe the Big East, but the PAC12 is truly college sport`s Ozymandias
RIP Coach Pirate. We all loved you.
As a South Carolina fan I consider myself lucky that our athletic department hitched a ride to the SEC train in the 90s. Long ago enough that we aren’t outcasts like Mizzou and to get situated before this major realignment era.
As an outsider to the other conferences dealing with losing their premier football powerhouses, I’m not a fan of this treatment of the conference structure. Going the way of the NFL with only two leagues seems stupid. But monetarily, this makes the most sense. I’m glad we already got on the boat decades ago but this is just not fun to watch.
Well to be frank, you’re actually in the South East unlike Mizzou. Schools like Clemson probably wouldn’t be outcasts if they joined today
Is South Carolina going to try to block Clemson from joining the SEC?
@@ericthomas917 let me go ask our athletic director.
The damage Larry Scott did to the Pac 12 could never be overstated.
I think if the PAC-12 wants to survive conference realignment in the future, they need to ditch the night cap games. Nobody in the Midwest or the east coast wants to stay up until 2 am to watch a football game.
As a Big 12 fan (AKA: Truck Stop league) & TCU Alumni I don't want the PAC 12 to Fail. I want them to Land some type of TV Deal. SEC & B1G are so far ahead of The other 2 & the ACC is $h!+ show all it's own I feel like the PAC screwed up majorly when they didn't Decide to work with The Big 12
Regarding the B12-P12 merger, I think one of the reasons of declining was because the PAC wanted the B12 to kick out the 4 new additions and West vrigina before merging. B12 refused to do that and, therefore, no dice. But that may be just a rumor.
I mean, that makes sense why the B12 would turn them down. They hold the cards, so why should they be giving up assets? West Coast elitism at its finest.
Great video. However I think the Big XII is more likely to survive than the PAC. The Big XII has been through a lot, but has done so without dying. The PAC loses two schools and all of a sudden can’t get a media deal.
Look who was right
It’s sucks to see these conferences go away
This video is great! I didn’t even realize you were a new channel and I’ve been waiting for more conference videos since your last one. Keep it up
So glad you made another video on a different power 5 conference, these vids are great, cant wait for ACC and SEC
Now I am a fan of a big time school who doesn't have to worry about how this will affect me personally (Michigan in case you're wondering), but I feel for you guys out in the Pac-12 and Big XII regions. You guys are being hung by the balls for TV moves that the majority of us fans of the big schools don't want. I can't speak for everyone, but I'm pretty sure most B1G and SEC schools would rather see conferences not get split up and destroyed by greedy TV executives. I personally believed that the system was already too imbalanced and unfair, hopefully we don't see everything get ruined.
as an ohio state fan im glad we don’t have to worry about conference realignment but USC and UCLA? that feels wrong
As a Michigan fan who just moved to SoCal, I like the addition for purely selfish reasons. I'm still in "B1G country" now and I get to go see UM play out here. However if I stayed in the Midwest I realize I would probably hate all this conference realignment.
It all goes back to Texas and their selfish LHN - One could make a great case how they are the modern conference wrecker.
Can we get ACC next?
rip mike leach. ttu goat coach
18:05 that take aged like fine milk
Quality like this deserves many, many more subscribers. Keep making these vids bro, you're delivering at a level that channels with six figure sub numbers don't get close to.
Looking like they’re won’t be a PAC 12 anymore bc as of rn there are only 4 teams left
had to subscribe. I know you are mainly covering FBS conferences but i cant wait for you to make a doc on the big east
These conference history videos are awesome. Great job!
Lol at the Canadian National Railways logo in the bunch of possible diffusers at 16:15
Great video man. Can’t wait for the SEC video!
Your video was accurate at the time you made it, but things are changing fast. The future of the P12 looks far more uncertain as I type.
And Colorado just left for the big 12
Well an additional video on the death of the Pac might be a good idea now that Colorado left a week after this was made.
I hate that USC and UCLA are joining the Big 10, same with possibly Oregon and Washington. The Big 10 is a midwestern conference and what happens to the Rose Bowl a predominantly Big 10 vs Pac 12 bowl game when there is no Pac 12 to play.
I mean with the 12 team playoff coming, it's gonna lose its automatic bids lol there's a chance we can see Georgia vs Clemson in the rose bowl
"oh the band is out on the field!" - probably the most iconic play in college football history. That play kept John Elway from appearing in a bowl game at the end of his senior season. Elway didn't play in a bowl game during his time at Stanford. He was a great QB, obviously, but back then they didn't have nearly as many bowl games as they do now and his teams were always around the middle of the pack and they never got the invite for a bowl game.
I very much enjoyed this! Thanks for the content. Best of luck to Oregon State and Washington State going forward. I hope you both find your way back into the power five status somehow. My Oklahoma State Cowboys were inches away from your same boat. Go Pokes!
Pac-12 also tried selling its media rights overseas and traveling to China to play basketball games every year. Scott tried selling the rights to media holders in APAC and China but ultimately couldn't find a buyer. After 5 years of this experiment, the most memorable part was LiAngelo Ball stealing LV shades and belts in Hangzhou, China.
Ucla was the southern branch of the University of California. Therefore their fight songs, mascots, even some street names (such as Gayley) were the same. They switched to Bruins and powder blue and gold, instead of Golden Bears and blue and gold, once they were established as their own university, and competing in sports.
Lucas you are a master in this craft my friend
Well this has aged well…4 members left
That is actually crazy that Whittier college was apart of the original schools lol I live down the street from the school pretty small private school that recently even got rid of their football program a few years ago
I think the chance to play for a national football title every year with the new playoff format should keep Oregon and Washington where they are, but what do I know
Keep making videos please!!! These are great.
And I know its rowing but UW was so dominant in the sport the team was sent to the Olympics as the USA team.
This man needs subs
Let’s call it the Lincoln Riley realignment. It’s ironic that Riley leaves Oklahoma and then USC heads to the B1G and then everyone jumps around.
You will need to make a part 2 😂
Andddd Colorado’s gone
This deserves so many more views.
I didn't know most of that, nice summary.
Also great production value!
It was a nice ride pac 8/10/12. Will the last team to leave turn the lights out
Please please please strongly consider doing the ACC.
I was today years old when I learned that I was so interested in the history of athletic conferences.
Great video hope you do big ten next
Title should be THE PAC 12 IS HISTORY!
Watching this on the day Colorado bolted for the big 12
ESPN told the PAC-12 leadership to merge with the Big-12 and it was the PAC-12 who said no!
The first time. It actually happened twice-one right after OUT and once right after USCLA.
Awesome stuff! Love these conference videos
Damn dude, the timing on this.
I remember listening to a sports call in show years ago, and a caller said TV would ruin sports, and I’ll be damned if that’s not the case.
I actually watched PAC 12 after dark most weeks. Made me really like the teams and the conference.
pac 12 had 100 more national championships than any other conference .
Only two weeks after this upload, the Pac 12 is officially dead. Amazing how fast it collapsed.
Good work. Would love follow ups on these quality videos
Keep these up their great
Two weeks to early. Let's find out the fates if the 4 remaining PAC schools before the update
Waiting on the ACC video which feels like it could be so complex that it could take months
You should do a bigten video
San Diego state going to the pac 12 being a when not if really aged well
Here after the Pac literally died
Solid Videos
Keep ‘em comin
The SEC video is going to be goated!
RIP
How is the huskies national championship disputed? Cause they shared it. It’s 💯 a national titl
I'm sad for what's going on.
Might need to make a video about what is happening to the pac12
11:20 Talk about a seminal moment.
LETS GO PAC-2!!!!!!
THIS IS WHAT WE’VE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!
the PAC-12 is officially dead... rip
PAC-12 turned down expanding into Texas on 3 different occasions. That is why they dissolved
can you update this
Conference of champions
great video
If I was the pac 12 make UCSB and UCSD to replace ucla and usc. Then add SMU and SDSU
UCSB and UCSD don't play football though
@@mech-x-xavious San Diego state I think is what he's talking about, also maybe uc Davis 😂 but they literally play juco and would get killed
This video dropped LITERALLY DAYS before The PAC-12 officially disintegrated..... TIMING!!!!!!!!!!!
Vball gods
💀 pac 12 is dead. The four corner schools go to the big 12. udub, Oregon and the nerd California schools to the big ten. Washington state and Oregon state are left to rot welp
My prediction is that Washington, Oregon, Iowa State, and Notre Dame will eventually go to the B1G.
Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, and Miami will go to the SEC.
Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah will go to the Big 12
why would UNC leave for the SEC? They are a basketball school not a football school, and the ACC is a basketball conference. Not to mention, they would have far more say in the ACC than they would in the SEC.
B1G has always insisted if ND wanted to fully join the B1G they would have to be a full member with football (they did let ND join as an affiliate member for hockey only). ND always insisted on football independence, and the best they could do to join a conference (which they had to for the rest of their sports) while preserving ND football independence was their deal with the ACC. Even then, ND had to give up as small bit of their football program's autonomy, in scheduling a minimum number of their games against ACC schools. I don't believe ND could become a true independent in all sports because of modern business realities. With very few exceptions (such as ND football) you need a conference to survive in the modern era from a financial and competitive standpoint
Iowa State brings NO value to the B1G. The 'clones will be left out in the cold. ND will pair with Stanford into the B1G. Why else would Stanford willingly say that they don't need TV money right away?
So much is now tied to that ACC deal, which has language that requires ND to join the ACC, if the Irish join a conference. Florida State is exploring the use of Saudi money to get out of the ACC. If the ACC collapses, then ND would be free to get a B1G payday, and the SEC could snap up a few Carolina/Tidewater area schools.
So much MORE is now tied to the economic fortunes of Disney. It's ESPN money that has driven CFB to the point that it is presently at. What happens when that money evaporates via corporate bankruptcy? ESPN's own solvency issues may be what collapses the entire realignment, in time.
Fire Larry Scott
The death of the Pac started when the major heads of the conference didnt fight hard enough to get SC off probation. People forget how dominant the Trojans were during the early 2000s... Razorback fans and Auburn fans will say it never happen. But the men of troy would kick some SEC schools around and steal their recuits like it was nothing. Once that probation hit. All those west coast kids went south and to the mid west. All the while Orgeon and Washinton flobbed big time durinf the down SC years. Now you got the SEC as the dominant force followed by the Big 10. The big 12 is next and then the ACC . What the Pac should do... Get San deigo st.... Get Hawaii and San Jose St. Heck even UNLV anything to survive at this point
What about Boise State and Fresno State?
We were not good in the early 2000s😂 aside from the DMAC years. And those teams were not great. The SEC didn’t take football over until the late 2000s. I mean the SEC overall.
Your order of history around Colorado's departure from the Big12 compared to the remaining Big 12 to the Pac is completely inaccurate. The truth is the Pac-12 first talked to Texas and Oklahoma about joining but Texas wanted the entire Big 12 South to join. Stanford and Cal did not want Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and Baylor to join. Oklahoma refused to join without Oklahoma State. Stanford and Cal ultimately allowed Oklahoma State to get the deal done but were willing to kill the deal rather than let in a religious school (Baylor) join. Only then did Colorado enter the picture to replace Baylor as the 6th Big 12 school. Once the Pac-12 Presidents agreed to accept the applications from the 6 being Texas/Texas Tech/Texas A&M/Oklahoma/Oklahoma State/Colorado, THEN Oklahoma and Texas met with the other 4 Big 12 schools (Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Colorado) and pitched the idea. This is when everything went south. Texas A&M - being the Eastern most school of the 6 and a very conservative school did NOT want to join the Pac. The biggest issue was that the Pac had approached Oklahoma and Texas initially and NOT Texas A&M and this offended Texas A&M greatly. Texas A&M has the typical "little brother" complex within the State of Texas and feel like they are always in Texas' shadow and here was Texas again telling A&M what they should do. Texas A&M secretly decided they were NOT going to go to the Pac and secretly contacted secretly the SEC to gauge interest. This is when the story broke in the media about the possibility of the Pac-16. It was Texas A&M that leaked it. Remember Nebraska had already announced they were leaving for the B1G and Missouri had started a VERY public campaign to beg the B1G to take them as well. When it leaked and the Pac was told by Texas A&M they were not interested, then all hell broke loose. The Pac came back and suggested that Kansas could replace Texas A&M and pushed for the deal to get done. Texas actually started to get cold feet about departing the Big 12 without Texas A&M. Texas had no desire to be separated from Texas Tech OR Texas A&M. The Pac felt like Colorado leaving first could compel Texas to still depart without Texas A&M so Larry Scott told Colorado they had an invitation regardless of the rest of the Big 12...so Colorado did vote to depart and join the Pac first. Colorado leaving did not change Texas' decision to not depart, so everyone else stayed in the Big12 at that time. The Pac was now stuck with 11 members and needed a 12th. The Pac had already had been having discussions with Utah and Utah was a backup plan in case the Pac needed another school...and now they did - so that's when Utah got invited to form the Pac-12.
Welp already outdated
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I’m convinced that the Pac-12 is dying. I’m a long time Georgia fan of the sec. The best conference ever
I wish the PAC a very painful afterlife.
The predictions made toward the end of this video did not exactly work out. My prediction is Cal and Stanford will end up in the Big Ten. Washington State and Oregon State will end up in the mountain west conference. That is the most logical solution.
The way that Stanford has been acting tells me that they already have a quiet assurance of a B1G invite. I don't see Cal getting one, however. That last spot is reserved for the ultimate white whale of CFB; a ND that is forced to join a conference for financial reasons. Stanford and U$C both play ND in football annually already, too.
@@GrizrazRex I guess you haven’t read the news lately. I was wrong. Stanford and Cal accepted invitations to join the ACC.
@@shackdaddy7106Makes sense for Stanford and Cal, they were never gonna get into the Big Ten, they don’t have the prestige of the other four that got in.