Why did these schools leave Power Conferences? (re-upload)
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- When it comes to NCAA schools leaving the Power 5, it's easier to look at the schools who did so because the conference they were in collapsed around them. We think of Big East schools like USF, Temple, and UConn, and Southwest schools like Rice, or, potentially, Pac 12 schools like Oregon State and Washington State, if they can't find a way to resurrect the PAC. But there's more depth to some of these situations than just being left behind in mergers or rearranging of chairs at board meetings. Some schools willingly make the decision to drop out of power conferences. And in the case of these three schools, they made the choice to drop out of the two strongest power conferences in scales of money.
In this video, I'll take the opportunity to look at three schools---two former SEC schools and one former B1G school---and see the similarities and differences in their situations and reasonings for departure. We'll see a few reasons as to why the Tulane Green Wave, Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, and Chicago Maroons each decided to leave what would become the two largest college football conferences in the NCAA. For a little bit there, Georgia Tech wasn't even a member of the Power 5---they were an independent. But there is a bit of a running theme, even for decisions made close to a hundred years in the past.
EN: Some of you may have already seen this video pretty much word for word. I decided to cut some parts and replace them to try to dodge the copyright becoming an issue for the video again. For those of you who are watching it again, thank you!
As always, this video was written and narrated by me, as well as edited using Powerpoint and DaVinci Resolve. No images, music, or video belong to me, and each are used under the pretense of fair use for the purpose of education. Video may belong to ESPN, as well as the many distributors of Tulane Green Wave Athletics, Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets Athletics, and Chicago Maroons Athletics, and the universities affiliated with them.
If I made any mistakes in the video essay, be sure to politely correct me in the comments section below. I'd like to keep my comments sections free of arguments, given that I know these videos may be sensitive subjects to fans of some programs. - Спорт
I’m curious if Tulane will find itself in the ACC eventually. Academic fit ✅, Geographic fit (now) ✅, competitive fit ✅. The next round of realignment will be very interesting and I think it’ll def include Tulane
The ACC will be dead.
they seem pretty content in the AAC though, I feel like they are likely to stay a few years to get a gauge before taking an option. It also depends on if Fritz is still the head coach too.
Competitive fit?
Bro they were just 2-10 2 seasons ago losing to Tulsa and Memphis
2022 was their first season with more than 7 win since 2002
@@zappbrannigan2415 Losing to Memphis would probably be their best loss imo
Tulane is not on the Atlantic Coast lol
As a person who played DIII football in University of Chicago’s conference. They usually always have a solid team. Yea they’re not D1 anymore but they dominate and are usually always top 3 in the midwest conference. Real good academics and had a good football team, so i can agree that they’re doing fine rn.
When was their last D3 playoff appearance? And when was their last deep D3 playoff run where they won a couple rounds?
I grew up near Mount Union. Which is a D3 blue blood. I don’t recall Chicago being a factor come playoff time in my life. I could be wrong or not remembering though.
However, nearby North Central I’m definitely familiar with. Also, nearby Wheaton I can recall having some success too over the years. Different conference though but both near Chicago nonetheless.
@@zacheryhardie9313they haven’t, I lived in northern Illinois my entire life NEVER heard of anyone wanting to go to Chicago for football, I’ve heard Loyola and whitewater but not Chicago
@@david-468it’s like going to Harvard or Yale for football it’s stupid lmao. Honestly how Stanford is still d1 is a mystery.
Sewanee was actually an early football powerhouse in the predecessor conference to the SEC ( and ACC).
look up the 1899 Sewanee team
@@jonathanross149they wear good yes but Harvard won the college football national tital that year
@@john-mc4zo
Harvard didn’t win any such thing. There was no national championship in those days. As a matter of fact, there still isn’t an official NCAA national champion in college football at the FBS level. It’s only a “CLAIMED MYTHICAL” championship and nothing more. Hence in the video itself, as it said Chicago “CLAIMS” 2 national championships in college football. Suwanee could “CLAIM” the 1899 national championship just like Harvard does if they chose too. Personally, after looking at the accomplishments for both teams for that year…well there’s a very real reason as to why the 1899 Suwanee team is considered as being one of the greatest teams in the history of college football. Yet you never hear any mention of that being said about the 1899 Harvard team !!
When it comes to “MYTHICAL” college football national championships at the FBS level, well schools can literally “CLAIM” whatever they want, just simply because there isn’t a governing body that prevents them from being able to do it. Again, the NCAA doesn’t award or recognize an NCAA national champion in college football at the FBS level…therefore they don’t care what a school “CLAIMS” when it comes to “MYTHICAL” FBS football national championships !!
Great video. I really like how you acknowledge the academic benefits of the moves too. As football fans, I think that often gets lost in the discussion when college football fans focused on sports, but these are universities whose first priority is academics at the end of the day.
Fair enough, but there are also football powerhouse schools that are also academic powerhouses as well. You can have it both ways in some places.
Nobody gives a crap about academics when it comes time to sign television and merchandising deals.
Nobody cares about Stan in Writing 102.
@@theecharmingbilly Well the people signing the deals definitely cared about their academics.
@@FyrFytr998very few. Michigan. That’s truthfully it. Stanford isn’t a powerhouse, duke, Vanderbilt, Virginia, rice, northwestern Tulane none are football powerhouse. And public school wise, Washington Texas and Georgia are top tier public schools dominant in sports but, Washington doesn’t carry as much weight on the east coast, Texas is generally good but only elite in Texas, and Georgia education is elite for the south,
There was a period in the 60's and 70's when being independent seemed like a good deal. Ga Tech, in addition to Dodd's beef with the SEC, felt going independent was not at all a step down. South Carolina willing left the ACC because they thought they would have a higher profile as an independent. Obviously those days ended some time ago for anyone not named Notre Dame.
I feel that even for ND those days will be fewer in number if we continue the move towards super conferences.
It took a ton of resources but it seemed to pay off for BYU as well
Your cfb videos are great. Hope the YT algorithm picks you up soon. You'd definitely deserve it.
bro got that 200k sub quality with only 3k 🥲
That’s how I found him
Very well said. Luckily the algorithm hmu a few weeks back
This video is absolutely amazing! I’m a B1G guy (Go Green!) and I’ve wondered before how differently things would’ve turned out if Chicago stayed. I think MSU’s entry would’ve delayed because we became their replacement!
Yes! The Big 9 needed to reach an even number so MSU was a natural fit. On the other hand, the Spartans WERE a natural fit so maybe they lure Penn State early and become the Big 12 in the 50's. And then, butterfly effect, what does the Big 8 call themselves when they absorb 4 members of the Southwest Conference?
Always a great job. Thank you for making quality content!
Bro I watched the big 12 vid and then I saw this dude only had 4K SUBS?!?! Crazy underrated channel. Keep up the great work my guy!
Tech's departure has become a print-the-myth article of faith, centering on scholarship disputes and Dodd's supposed desire to become the Notre Dame of the South. The AJC in particular has steadily endorsed this version. In fact, I did a lot of 'net research into contemporary coverage many years ago and it had a LOT to do with the SEC going to standardized scheduling in 1966. (This figured in with Tulane as well). Dodd was adamant about controlling Tech's scheduling and refused to play a league-mandated schedule that might have required his team to travel to the Mississippi schools or to Auburn (that series had been played almost exclusively in Atlanta until a few games in Birmingham around this time). Dodd was on record in the early sixties threatening to take out of the SEC over standardized scheduling at conference meetings, and finally did so when the future schedules were finalized. Vanderbilt also resisted this, and continued to refuse the league schedule (thus becoming ineligible for the SEC Championship, as if that mattered) until a final showdown (around 1970?) when Vandy nearly left as well.
Great insight, your other conference videos look interesting as well I will have to watch. Have a look into researching the short lived thought of a power conference of independents during the late 80's FSU, Miami, PSU, ND, Cuse, Pitt and a few others I believe. It might have been just one writers opinion, but I do remember something written in a season preview publication like Street and Smiths at the time. Keep up the good work.
This was very entertaining and well done. Please keep making these videos!
This channel will be big.. don’t stop you got something special here
Great video dalukes, wonder when we will get a history of the big ten and sec videos.
My Michigan State Spartans came in when Chicago dropped out
Worth Noting Georgia Tech won another National championship after they left the SEC.
Just noticed it was listed in the annotations
it wasnt unanimous though. they just had a share of it
Yeah split it with Colorado.
@@evanwilliams9588 A team that has no rightful claim because of the 5th down game.
@@ssmith7074 I get it. But at the end of the day, it’s a co Championship on the books.
Joshua Williams here. Surprised to be used as a source. I was still a young kid back then. Not an excuse, but it definitely could have been written with a more neutral tone if I were to write it now. Honestly I'm surprised it's still on the website. Not because of the information or how it was written, even back then BR had strict requirements when it came to your sources and references. I'm surprised because it was written before it was bought out by Turner. I figured old pieces like this would have been cleared out.
The fact that it was considered good enough by the journalists that ran the site back then to post it was an honor. For it to be used as a reference now, is also an honor. Thank you.
As an Arkansas fan, I think it would have been better for us to have joined the big 12 as compared to the SEC. We dont consistently have a large pool of decent players in-state to join the ranks of the hogs, so it comes down to pandering to "steal" players [usually from other southern states], and we havent had a decent winning streak since coach Petrino, who got mixed up in some personal and/or legal troubles and was subsequently ousted as the head coach back in 2011.
We havent been consistently decent since. Sure, there was hope with the current coach, but the season this year has been quite lackluster, and isnt expected to change as it plays notable teams like Ole Miss, Alabama, and Missouri to name a few.
Simply put, Arkansas is somewhat a bit "out of its league" within the SEC. Sure, not as dismal as Vandy, but far, far from being even an above average team. Average is the best we can hope for, and that;s quite depressing. JMO !!!!!
Been to a few games in t-town when ark came yall always traveled well and when they got that pig soooeee going it was loud...wish yall the best over there...ROLL DAMN TIDE...
As an Ark guy, I feel they could do better in the Big 12, but I think they are only staying because the SEC has bigger exposure & would have better recruits, also Ark may have already predicted UT & TAMU leaving their conference
Criminally underrated, you gotta get more view
re Magnolia League: I've also heard about a proposed Kudzu League with elite southern schools like Duke & Vandy. I do like the idea of a conference of private southern universities.
Can you do the History of the SEC and the big 10 since im so interested in them since i want to know how Alabama Michigan ohio state and LSU became huge
Use commas.
North Central College, current Chicago area D3 powerhouse, has won a few Stagg bowls in the past few years… I’m waiting for them to move up divisions soon
Curious how OSU has anything to do with Chicago’s downfall. They already fell to 7th in 1914 (before OSU), and claimed another conference title in 1922 (after OSU).
Also the “quintessential midwestern game” with Chicago would be against Michigan, as they were Chicago’s main rival and the biggest rivalry outside the Ivy at the time.
The video doesn't mention that Michigan left the B1G from 1907-1917. When they returned, the competition, recruiting, and business aspects of B1G FB took a large leap upward. By the 20's, national interest was intense, money commitments grew, and huge stadiums were built (pro football was just getting started). Besides Michigan, UC's dominance was challenged by Illinois, Minnesota, and OSU.
I keep getting this feeling that within the next 20 years there's only going to be 2 conferences, SEC and Big 10 the way things are going.
there is no way a 40 team super conference stays afloat and if that happens they'll just fragment again
Now Chicago’s Baseball, Soccer, and Track & Field all share the same field. We played them and twice javelins ended up on the field 😂
i’ll watch again because i like ur videos that much. keep it up even if ur a ksu guy.
Respect it for the Big Red pfp 🤝
We need an color conference.. GT yellow jackets, Tulane green wave, Chicago maroons, army black knights, Syracuse orange, Alabama crimson tide, duke blue devils, Texas tech red raiders, Stanford cardinal, Minnesota golden gophers, Rutgers scarlet knights, Cal golden bears, tulsa golden hurricanes....
I have the distinct suspicion that the University of Chicago, had it kept its football team through the 40's and 50's, would probably have gone the way of Tulane: increasingly uncompetitive and futile.
Don’t forget Idaho and Montana who were members of the PCC (The Pac)
I didn't include them mainly because a lot of folks don't consider the PCC-UWC-PAC line to be one unbroken line; though Montana definitely did leave of their own accord, but Idaho and the Griz weren't re-invited to the brand new PAC.
It would definitely be an interesting what-if though if the PCC wasn't as hammered with scandals to the point where it needed to be dissolved and both Idaho and Montana stayed. They'd possibly grow to the point where they'd be big enough to stay P5, or they'd go back down to FCS eventually. Still an interesting thought experiment though
Fantastic video man! I think changing the background music may help, but that is my only gripe with your presentation
DAMN YOU UA-cam COPYRIGHT!!!!!11!!!
(This video is even better the second time)
At 5:47 he wrote on the screen "lol before, Tulane left after they did". If you're watching on the phone and can't use space bar and back and forth to see it, it's a pain it is up so quick
If the big ten delays adding Nebraska, then they probably would've never joined because they lost their AAU membership shortly after joining (something I think all other b1g members have), and it has been said they wouldn't have been accepted if this happened before they joined.
Most B10 schools have 50%+ acceptance rates. AAU means nothing - those bumpkin cornbread schools will accept anyone with a pulse in the Midwest.
NEB's expulsion from the AAU had already started and was a near certainty. The B1G made a de facto exception for NEB.
@@tarheel7406 The former (then current) Nebraska chancellor said this though, so I am not really inclined to believe what you're saying sadly
@@joeym5243 What I said is accurate history. Whether the timing was determinative, I take no position. If the B1G knew that NEB would be expelled from the AAU when invited, why would it matter if it had happened before the invite? Some B1G members were among those pushing for the expulsion.
There is also another bigger implication of Chicago staying in the B1G. MSU was not a member when they left, and only had the opprotunity to join as early as they did because Chicago created a vacancy. Perhaps MSU does not join the B1G until much later if Chicago stayed around, or falls off a bit after the Munn years and never gets the chance to become a football power--and who knows what that means for future B1G expansions you mention like Penn State or Nebraska.
U of M voted to keep MSU out of the Big 10
@@HanBaby82 For two reasons: 1) MSU was offering the new-for-the-time Athletic Scholarships, while simultaneously 2) paying their FB players under-the-table.
Can you do a video on university of Idaho?
I kind of miss the old power 6 - 7 and the regional format that is now lost. You could also have included Rice who were relevant into the early 60's. No they did not elect to leave the defuct SWC but are now the only former member to not be in the new Power 4.
Have you done a video on the history of the WAC or MWC yet?
I'm thinking about making one on the MWC, but JPJ made a phenomenal video on the WAC a short while ago that's phenomenal. I'd recommend you go see it if you haven't yet!
3:51- in case you were wondering, Auburn does not have a winning record against Vanderbilt, they are tied all time. Their meeting this year will swing it.
Great video.
Drake, Grinnell and Washington Missouri were founded members of the Big 8 and left on their own. What could of been if they stay D1. Southwestern TX and Phillips were members of the SWC until they left on their own. What if they stayed in D1? Phillips would not shut down, and Southwestern kept their football, but they may have been forced to go to FCS.
Idaho and Montana left on their own not coming back after the PAC 12 reformed. They did not want to be involved with the headache of the schools infighting with themselves.
RMAC, SoCon and MVC were the original power conferences before some of the newer conferences formed.
Washington and Lee, George Washington, Richmond, William and Mary, and Davidson were in SoCon before the ACC formed. They left on their own later on.
Butler, Washington Missouri, Grinnell, Drake, Creighton, Washburn, Tulsa, Saint Louis were in the MVC at the time before it lost the power.
Colorado Mines, Western Colorado, Colorado College, Denver, Utah State, Montana State, Wyoming, Colorado State and Northern Colorado were part of the RMAC when it was a power conference at the top since they spent time with Colorado, Utah and BYU back then. This was before the PAC 12, ACC, SEC, Big 6, Big 12 and Big East was even formed. They left, the conference never fell apart. Just lost that status.
Those are the only examples from history with the major conferences that should be looked at. MVC, RMAC, SoCon were power conferences in the old days. Members left conferences before they disbanded.
Watching and commenting again for the algorithm
Just a great video
I feel like the magnolia conference would be cool with some fun matchups but Duke is better of with the ACC and at the time rice and SMU were better off with the Southwest conference
Magnolia would probably be Duke, Tulane, Rice, SMU, Baylor, TCU, Tulsa, Vandy, Miami
The University of the Pacific, Pete Carrol's old school should have copied the University of San Diego and gone FCS non-scholarship. They even had a stadium I do not think any school that dropped it lacks regrets.
What does that mean
They wish they had kept football. Especially at the FCS non-scholarship level that is the biggest group of students on campus. that is why football is growing on the NCAA division II, III and NAIA levels. UOP could probably field a decent team in the Pioneer League or even the Big Sky. Schools that dropped football don't give the traditional college experience with football in the fall. Many people still want it and alumni pay attention. I cannot believe some schools did not have sports e.g. Cal State San Bernardino, which went through a complete branding and U.C. Santa Cruz. Hope this helps. @@walterwhite1
Correction to the video. Harvard, the Vanderbilt of the north. I didn't look up who founded Tulane, but it wasn't Cornelius Vanderbilt, arguably the world's richest man at some point during his lifetime.
There is a reason why no one liked your post. But I’m pretty sure a Rothschild has more money than Vanderbilt ever had
Great vid
As much as I love Tulane football, I hope they put academics over athletics.
I go to Tech. We left because our coach refused to strip away scholarships from some players to get under the scholarship cap. That's all there is to it.
You played ball at tech? I’m UF grad *C/96* #48 😊
Magnolia League would have been a good idea. Vandy, Tulane, Rice, SMU, Duke, Georgia Tech. Vandy currently is not a great fit in the SEC. When they are decent at basketball they have more claim but as football drives conferences more and more I see Vandy remaining in the SEC more tenuous.
VANDY uses their cut of the money to fund their hospital and I hope they never leave.
Louisiana’s sports talent almost all goes to Louisiana State University. Many student athletes that LSU has would not be eligible to be enrolled at Tulane because they academic standard are fall below Tulane’s standards
I wish the Maroons never left. I’d still rather have them than Nebraska in the B1G.
as someone who goes to uchicago i agree
@@clickbait3753 I’ll be adding your school back into the B1G in create a team once the new NCAA video game comes out.
A southern Ivy league would be cool. TULANE, RICE, SMU, VANDERBILT, DUKE, TCU, MIAMI, and AUBURN would a good league. They might not real ivy league but good enough private schools.
Auburn ? Seriously
Auburn is a Public university
For the vast majority of universities, there is a tradeoff between athletics and academics. The vast majority of schools that lose tens of millions of dollars every year on football. They literally take money from academics to cover the operating deficit of football. Look at the NCAA data. Even among the few schools that make money, athletics sucks money and attention away from academics. NIL finally allows some of the $ to go to athletes, but the corrupt system directs nearly all of the $ (millions upon millions) to the coaches and administrators. And the proof that football causes long-term brain damage raises serious questions about the sport at institutions built to improve brains.
Chicago probably would've ended up like crosstown Northwestern. Or maybe like U Miami. Who knows.
At 4:25, The Southwestern Conference's collapse began with Arkansas leaving them and joining the SEC. Arkansas would never have had to join the Big 12.
It is crazy how things could have been if these teams didn't leave. I believe Chicago also have a automatic bid back to the B1G if they ever decide to rejoin. But I do hope a team like Tulane can join the Big 12 or the ACC and rejoin a power conference.
as someone who goes to uchicago i really doubt we'd have an automatic bid, we would have to REALLY upgrade everything about our athletics spending millions of dollars doing so, and that isnt the schools focus right now.
Tech has more than 1 national championship, including one in the modern era, and came very close to one in 2014. Tech's problem is that not only do you not have physical education as a major, ALL the majors are difficult compared to an average large state school. You just don't have basket weavers that are 5 star prospects at Tech. But there is no reason for them not to be competitive in the ACC - they can recruit in Atlanta, and some kids know that a Tech degree is a guaranteed high-paying job when the NFL doesn't come calling. But really, comparing results from the 1980s and later to the time before is just not possible. Everything everywhere (even at Tech) got dumbed down, because dumb players can still mean big green dollars.
Can someone explain why a university can’t place importance on Both academics and athletics? I don’t under why these 3 schools had to largely give up their prestigious athletic programs in order to remain a good school academically
In Chicago’s case the president hated football and wanted to abandon it so that the school’s reputation can be more academically focused.
It was a suicide move for the university in thr long run but the president couldn’t care less about football
As a Northwestern alum and season ticket holder it is easy to explain.
The remaining 10% are still recruited by all the schools that would accept the other 90%.
This combination besides the fact that being recruited by your state university is the biggest draw means are are fighting just to get any Power 5 recruit to take a campus visit.
Only ND and USC can recruit against the national powers and the local state school.
Well they don’t want big money to corrupt their school. Fans will develop boosters, demand that coaches get paid top dollars. Hotels and Restaurants who benefit from winning teams will also want to throw money and have a say so on coaches. More money is more cheating and potential violations. For instance Look at the Ivy Leagues. They have more endowment money than almost 98% of the schools out there. But they have stayed away from big time sports specifically football. Even if they have a great football team, they don’t participate in the NCAA FCS playoff. After rivalry week, that’s it for them.
@@xftbllplyr2091in the case of UofC Chicago is too big of a market to really care about a college team. The state school Illinois has always been insignificant. Most of the B1G has a ton of alumni in Chicagoland so dominating that market is impossible, besides it has always been a pro Bears-Cubs town with maybe the MJ Bulls decade as an exception.
I can't think of a big city that is enamored with college football -- NYC, LA(even with no NFL team), Chicago, Houston, Philly, DFW, D.C., etc. are all pro only towns.
If Georgia were in Atlanta maybe it would overcome the Falcons/Braves, but being outside and having GaTech limits its reach.
You greatly decrease the football talent pool, or any pool athletic or otherwise, when you throw in academic requirements like 4.0 GPAs and 1200+ SAT scores.
Imagine that. Colleges putting education ahead of revenue. That's just unheard of.
There is absolutely nothing that says you can't have both.
@@spankynater4242 Reality clearly tells us there are tradeoffs. This tradeoff is painfully clear for the vast majority of schools that lose tens of millions of dollars every year on football. They literally take money from academics to cover the operating deficit of football. Look at the NCAA data. Even among the few schools that make money, athletics sucks money and attention away from academics.
Maryland leaving acc was huge. Lead to panic and atrocious acc grant of rights deal. Maryland leaving set off latest round of realignment that has crippled acc and destroyed pac 10
More complicated than that, but correct in a nutshell.
It's not the GOR but the long media deal which was praised at the time but is now behind an unexpected inflation curve.
Football is still very important to Georgia tech and it’s culture. I think Georgia tech super regrets leaving the SEC. The Georgia rivalry and game is still a huge rivalry in football.
As a Tech fan, I’m of two minds wrt leaving the SEC. On the one hand, it would be nice (theoretically) to be better at football (and I’d love to forget the Collins era). On the other hand, having read Bobby Dodd’s words regarding the departure and having heard from Billy Martin (a family friend who played for Dodd in the early 60s) his thoughts on it, I’m proud Tech (Dodd) was willing to stick to his principles.
Of course football has changed significantly even since the 60s and I don’t know how many 5 star athletes would be attracted to a school that would require at least 1 year of calculus (my understanding (he and I were freshmen the same year) Stephan Marbury couldn’t even pass the easiest math course Tech offers (Math for Management), though it didn’t matter because he was already on his way to the NBA). However, coming from a family of Auburn fans and being surrounded by illiterate bulldog fans, it would be nice not to hear the taunts of being in an inferior conference.
@@johng482 We can very easily laugh at Georgia and Auburn for their inferior academics, same with the rest of the ACC. The SEC is a footbal-focused conference whilst the ACC has good football and excellent academics, at least most of them. GT and Duke are far and away the best academic schools in the South.
Given the current transition to a Tier 1 P2, GATECH's exit was bad in hindsight. Nevertheless, the ACC provided a different brand from UGA, boosted basketball, and was a path to the 1990 football natty.
@@DracoFire3000 "GT and Duke are far and away the best academic schools in the South."
A number of southern schools would object, including WAKE, UVA, MIAMI, UNC & VANDY. All of which are higher on the Altimore Graph.
@@tarheel7406 Of those, only UNC really comes close. Mentioning UVA and Miami is just hilarious, Vanderbilt is slightly worse, but only slightly, and wake is wishy-washy.
Me looking at the thumbnail. What in the world is the Cincinnati Reds doing on there???😂😂😂
You got to do a video on SMU now that they are going to ACC
And fucking Stanford and Cal. Lol
Georgia Tech being a national championship contender in modern day football is hilarious to me, especially after they JUST lost to Bowling Green.
Better teams have lost to worse opponents
@techMan_25 that’s fair
Bobby Dodd is a legend
Now I’m curious when the last time was that a conference kicked a school out.
Probably when the Big East booted Temple after 2004
Do a history of the sec plz
A lot of conferences would want Chicago purely because the high grades would be attractive
i dont even care if they go FCS tbh i just want chicago proper to have an actual d1 football team. unless chicago state actually goes through with their plan to start one
@@ohwaitchristian…Evanston doesn’t count as “proper”? it’s like saying Boston doesn’t have a team in Division 1 because they’re not in Boston proper(there isn’t, BC is actually on the city line in another city)
@@bostonrailfan2427 I'm just being a hater because I'm a depaul fan
@@ohwaitchristian as someone whose education was influenced by BU and who has been by Northeastern too many times to count I understand
Can we get an SEC history video?
It was founded in a hotel in Knoxville TN
You would think an entity involved in any type of media would know how to construct a sentence and punctuate those sentences.
Crushing it. EMAW
Bro pls do a FCS SOCON history vid
No lie Tunlane can really compet🔥🔥
It’s good to see Tulane getting better!
I'm still struggling with the idea that in the middle of the last century Tulane considered itself the Harvard of the South, and they believe that leaving the SEC helped the university academically. Does Tulane still think of itself as the Harvard of the South?
Harvard considers itself the Sewanee of the North
I think Chicago also had a scandal in college basketball that the Big 10 did not want to be associated with. I could be wrong though, and thinking of another school
Both schools would be a better fit for the sec
Than Oklahoma or Texas
For the first time in probably a long Tim LSU was named the best school academically in the state of Louisiana this year also Tulane is the number one party school in the nation
Who votes? My reference for general academics and athletics is the graph found at the ~12 minute mark in the vid titled:
"Big 12 Expansion Stats and Facts Breakdown | Conference Realignment | Tony Altimore x 365 Sports"
Per that academic measure, which is a blend of metrics, TULANE would be in the top group in the SEC while LSU is in the standard bottom half. For additional context, TULANE would be average in the ACC/B1G but would be the best in the new BIG12.
true fans will know this is a reupload.
Word
In the SEC:
-- Academically, Vanderbilt, UGA, UF, Texas, and Texas A&M are all ranked above Tulane.
-- UGA now has the same ACT / SAT / GPA averages as Tech (32 ACT; 4.0 GPA). UGA simply has much more attractive women, a more picturesque campus, a superior college town, and better athletics.
Tulane simply lacked foresight. Dropping football is usually a mistake. Football makes the college experience. Homecoming with soccer? Please. Even Georgetown with its high academics has a team now.
I get Texas is coming to the SEC next year but we shouldn't be counting them in our rankings until they're actually members
It's funny. I've always thought of Duke, Rice, Vandy, Ga Tech as elite schools in US, but Tulane as a half step below them on the ladder. So the academic argument for leaving the SEC seems odd.
Check out Tulane's academic programs and rankings more closely.
You forgot about University of South Carolina having a hissy fit and leaving the ACC.
Joining the SEC has really worked out great for them.
Well South Carolina went from power conference to power conference
Tulane solid
The Yellow Jackets are Miami's daddy!
11:32 Ouch.
Chicago should have joined the Ivy
Not as prestigious but Chicago is part of the Egghead 8
Having worked with a lot of Ivy Leaguers, and noticing how many politicians have Ivy degrees, I’d say that Chicago is better off without them.
"The answer to all of your questions is money."
The term "Power 5" didn't exist back then. That term came around in the BCS era.
The University of Chicago is exactly where they would have been. The only way they could have prayed to remain Div. 1 (FCS) is if they could have gotten into the Ivy League.
if not Ivy League, at least the Ohio Valley…
Chicago ended up in the 80s in a Div III Ivy League called the University Athletic Association with other former Div 1 academic universities (Carnegie Mellon, Case Western, University of Rochester, and WashU-St. Louis), and others that didn't have football (NYU, Brandeis, Emory, and Johns Hopkins). Currently, all these schools (except Johns Hopkins, which left) play in all sports except football, and Chicago is competitive in most sports against UAA and non-UAA teams, including winning the NCAA Div. III men's soccer title last year.
@@senton412 you’re wrong. the CONFERENCE dropped football sponsorship and did so in 2017, half of the members field teams
@@senton412I don't think this is true. doing a bit of research it seems half the conference still plays football, just as members of different conferences.
Can't recall my comment on the original upload, so I'll just tell you that in order to leave a comment to please the UA-cam gods.
Great video. I have always wondered what would happen if the Ivy League decided to get back into big time football. I certainly don’t see their prestige diminishing any if they did. It’s amazing to see how many Ivy League national champions there were back in the day (Yes, I know it was a lawless landscape of voters). It’s just sad as a CT resident to see the Yale Bowl in all its former glory nearly empty during the season. It really is a historic facility. But I guess the eggheads won on that one.
The ivy league doesn't offer scholarships. It would not be good.
@@markcrider4574 no I meant if the Ivy League became less stuffy, and started giving scholarships. Notre Dame and others have proven you can have big time football AND be a pillar of academic excellence. The Yale Bowl is just up the road. A home of former national champions. Just becoming more and more dilapidated by the day. It’s a crying shame.
@@FyrFytr998 it blows my mind Harvard has if I am not mistaken the most titles.
@@markcrider4574 you would be mistaken. In the era before polls and when the Ivy League was a national power, it’s Princeton then Yale with the most claimed national championships based off major selectors at 28 and 27 respectively. Of course there are quite a few years they both claimed they were the champs at the same time. If you go modern poll era, Alabama leads with 13. Harvard sits at 12 claimed titles. I can agree though, these 1800’s era claimed titles hold as much weight as UCF’s 2017 claimed title, lol.
@@FyrFytr998they would have to lower their admission standards significantly in order to compete. I went to Lafayette, which is solid academically, but not nearly as selective as the top Ivy League schools and even there football players I knew complained about how our admission standards made it hard for the team to recruit players
Don't forget about Sewanee leaving the SEC after being a founding member.
-I read about the Tennessee college that left the SEC super early….. imagine if they stayed sports may have lowered their college to grow even bigger and Vanderbilt may not even be a joke today
-this is another example of why appoints Chicago, not being a true football town. They had a major university in the beginning stages of a possible dynasty, and they just willingly gave it up. Imagine your school having a Heisman Trophy and nobody cares.
And why should they care? You forget that these universities are educational institutions, not professional sports franchises. The schools mentioned in this video chose (correctly in my opinion) to prioritize education over athletics. Something the big "sports schools" have long forgotten, which is why degrees from those "sports schools" are not as well-respected as degrees from a school like Chicago.
Don't forget Idaho was in the Pac 8 predecessor but has never had enough money.
MOntana too I believe,
Well Georgia tech is still in a power 5 conference.
Tulane would be a great fit for the athletic Ivy League that the ACC is rapidly becoming. They would likely be the lovable losers of the conference, but they would certainly fit in with many of the other schools there, even if non-academic powers like Louisville and Syracuse decide to hang on.
are you implying Syracuse is somehow less of an academic power than the universities that are actually the ACC?
@@launchbase4944 CUSE is average by ACC standards but definitely in brand.
The big question should be why hasn't a HBCU school allowed to move up to D-1?
Tulane's move is dumb because Vanderbilt makes $$$ just by being associated with the league. Tulane would be wealthy if they stayed.
Football is good revenue in power conferences, however research and alumni donations are more important.
Look at the universities with the largest endowments. Only Stanford, Northwestern, and Duke have Power 5 football and the rest are all D3.
Northwestern makes at least 10x the revenue on research than it makes in sports.
@@fecat93 I have heard similar stories about Vandy. Still, Vandy really, in a way, just leaches off the SEC and frankly SEC likes them for tradition and the easy win so they don't go anywhere. Tulane could be the same boat. It is leaving $$$ on the table. Vandy didn't do all of the upgrades cited in this video but they stayed in the SEC, unlike Tulane, and now they collect the checks from that as well as the endowments and Vandy, in many ways, is even more prestige than Tulane with regard to Academics.
@@volbound1700Well Vandy is strong in basically everything BUT football, that’s why they’re in. They have a competent football team that can get smacked around by the elite, but the SEC relies on Vandy as the leader in baseball and a core basketball member, as well as all of the academic achievements
They are very bad in Men's Basketball as well and towards the bottom of SEC all time. I ranked SEC teams in Basketball several years back scoring based on SEC Championships and NCAA Tournament appearances and runs and Vandy was 12 of 14
Sometimes, one must think beyond the importance of toting a prolate shaped ball up and down a gridiron. UIC defuncted football program's stadium became the first nuclear research laboratory. Contributed to the development of the A-bomb and truncated the second world war.
Tulane still has more championships than Texas A&M
Tulane was in the SEC far longer than A&M has been.
Chicago's leadership said that it became impossible to win without sacrificing academic integrity and outright cheating. They were right. Chicago decided to focus on academics (the mission), and it won easily on that front. Chicago has all the $ they need and more, and Chicago's academics is on another stratosphere than any SEC university. So they won. In fact the SEC has the worst academics among any power five conference, by far. And aren't universities supposed to be about academics?
a) To be fair, VANDY is an academic peer of CHICAGO.
b) The BIG12 was likely worse or a peer of the SEC academically.
The idea is sports = money, and money is used to improve academics. The success of a team like the Tide brings in money not only for sports but for the university to pay for upgrades to dorms and classrooms and other facilities.
You should have focused on Sewanee if you wanted to highlight the importance of academics.