Deltic Decimates the countryside. (and it turns up mob handed)

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  • @MrKnowwun
    @MrKnowwun  5 років тому +30

    I know what the classic Latin meaning of decimate is, the modern idiom is used in this video under artistic license . ANY COMMENTS ABOUT IT WILL BE REMOVED

    • @VadoVoodoo
      @VadoVoodoo 4 роки тому +14

      Touchy!

    • @richardwild3971
      @richardwild3971 4 роки тому +1

      DOYLE

    • @hcrun
      @hcrun 3 роки тому +8

      "Modern idiom"? What "modern idiom"? There is one definition and one only.

    • @anthonyglee1710
      @anthonyglee1710 3 роки тому +7

      I would just stick to plain English to avoid confusion.

    • @ralph5407
      @ralph5407 3 роки тому +6

      Great, censor comments you don't like, very democratic.

  • @68xperfectx
    @68xperfectx 5 років тому +8

    The sound of the Deltic in full song takes me back to being 6 years old stood at my parents bedroom window waiting in anticipation of the Deltic pulling out of the station, could hear it three miles away. Loved watching and listening to them thundering past at 100mph. Modern trains are sterile now, all sound the same with no individuality.

    • @AndreA-ke2id
      @AndreA-ke2id 3 роки тому +1

      @shaun truman. These days you're better off staying at home and listen to your vacuum cleaner. Same sound as all the plastic trains today.

  • @mikeroberts5646
    @mikeroberts5646 7 років тому +62

    All my life I,ve loved my German Trains from kid on,but I have to say this British brute looks awesome however little I know about English Trains
    Wow awesome color scheme too
    Don’t worry Ladies and gents this German loves your cars older that is,love you Brits as well

    • @MrKnowwun
      @MrKnowwun  7 років тому +5

      check it out at 93 mph ua-cam.com/video/uDm8oG1yB4Y/v-deo.html and 100mph at night ua-cam.com/video/1scc2h5PflU/v-deo.html, - nothing quite makes a noise like a deltic with its engine gunned,.

    • @samsmithsonite1595
      @samsmithsonite1595 6 років тому +1

      Mike Roberts ua-cam.com/video/2BFoiCHuAxc/v-deo.html

    • @stormwarrior5241
      @stormwarrior5241 5 років тому +1

      Love you too Man!

    • @AlexEssex8
      @AlexEssex8 5 років тому +2

      I think Deltics (along with Vulcan bombers and Lightning fighters) do look brutal and sinister but beautiful because of it!

    • @Bulletguy07
      @Bulletguy07 5 років тому +1

      @Mike Roberts.....and this Brit loves your Autobahns which are a pleasure to drive by comparison to our motorways!!

  • @TheFlyingBusman
    @TheFlyingBusman 5 років тому +17

    The Deltic sounded mean just idling but on full chat..... wow! I used to lie awake in bed every week night for the express service from Doncaster to Hull to pass just after 10pm pulled by a Deltic. That sound just carried on the night air like no other.

    • @jameswhite5780
      @jameswhite5780 2 роки тому

      Haha same in Swindon used to hear a Class 50 late night early morning parcels probably chugging through the countryside
      The sound of the clag through the air was something to behold

    • @firefox3187
      @firefox3187 Рік тому

      Yep same here. Was like a rugby team of Brian Blessed’s slowly bumbling along past 1-2 miles away

  • @laurencehughes4964
    @laurencehughes4964 10 років тому +13

    awesome. pieces of our railway heritage and history thank you for sharing.

  • @myriaddsystems
    @myriaddsystems 5 років тому +7

    Chunky beauty of unstoppable, uncompromising power, absolutely gorgeous. We won't see her like again 😣😢

  • @piusais721
    @piusais721 6 років тому +7

    I lived just behind bentley station and loved watching the diesels, how i miss it!!

  • @MarioStahl1983
    @MarioStahl1983 4 роки тому +8

    😂 These old iron horses seem to last forever. Indestructable!

  • @tractorsmachinesro1405
    @tractorsmachinesro1405 4 роки тому +9

    Great rail therapy....I like IT!!!!....ALL THE BEST from ROMANIA!!!!

    • @danielsellers8707
      @danielsellers8707 Рік тому

      Your country built the first 30 of our class 56 locomotives in the 1970s. Greetings from England.

  • @china-trip
    @china-trip 2 роки тому

    Wow... !!! My best friend, It's always great. Your video is excellent quality. We liked and enjoyed to the end. Thanks

  • @hubs37
    @hubs37 6 років тому +28

    I love all the birds singing and twittering to one another, so peaceful and idilic

  • @johnwilliams9240
    @johnwilliams9240 5 років тому +4

    Started my working life at English Electric Vulcan Foundry, Newton-le-Willows, 1964 Technician Apprentice.
    Rows of Deltics and one GT 3, now all gone.

  • @888johnmac
    @888johnmac 9 років тому +125

    typical.. you wait ages for a train then 5 turn up at once

    • @keith6400
      @keith6400 7 років тому +7

      and there's no seats available

    • @jeremycaldecoat1699
      @jeremycaldecoat1699 6 років тому +1

      I only counted two.

    • @al66class59
      @al66class59 6 років тому +4

      (Sarcasm) doesn’t come across when typed.
      He’s referring to each of the locomotives in the convoy as one train. 5 locos in convoy, 5 trains at once.

    • @neildeakin4454
      @neildeakin4454 5 років тому +1

      ahaha, sadly there was zero trains, just locomotives

    • @GWR-fd1up
      @GWR-fd1up 5 років тому +1

      @@neildeakin4454 well there was one train and 5 locomotives

  • @neilbolger2679
    @neilbolger2679 2 роки тому

    These DELTICS are great sounding machines. And I'm that the 33captain Bill was there too. Seen it a few times and I miss the 33 sounds in Portsmouth greatly. Nice little engines. Great video

  • @danlaplain8212
    @danlaplain8212 6 років тому +4

    Nice to hear some of coming back In service to help out.

  • @TheAudiostud
    @TheAudiostud 9 років тому +17

    I wasn't old enough to appreciate "Steam" I grew up with these Dirty Rotten smelly Oil Burners and I loved them, I enjoyed reading Andy Houghtons anecdote takes a man blessed with a curtain amount of knowledge, to rescue the situation with out to much fuss, you can tell a man from Wigan, But! you can't tell him much…

  • @timgrist9649
    @timgrist9649 8 років тому +3

    What a treat to see this procession.! Thanks for posting.

  • @daviddun4162
    @daviddun4162 Рік тому

    I used to dash across the Mytery (the Wavertree playing fields ) in Liverpool to the embankment to see the blue Deltic with a yellow arrow sweep by towards Lime Street Station. must have neeb about 1957 or 58.

  • @sheepfarm7560
    @sheepfarm7560 4 роки тому +1

    Love these engines brilliant video you have done .

  • @peteotoole8383
    @peteotoole8383 3 роки тому

    first part started to drift off sound was so peacfull 😂😂 then the on coming storm great video

  • @Finsami71
    @Finsami71 4 роки тому +1

    'Alycidon' . Always gives me shivers. Respect.

  • @chuckydickens7258
    @chuckydickens7258 11 років тому +4

    Deltic 9000s are my favorite locomotives. I'm holding an Identical model of D9002 in my hand even as I type.

  • @derekhartley5157
    @derekhartley5157 5 років тому +1

    I'm in my late seventies now, but can remember when I first saw a Deltic, I was probably about 13/14 years old, I was with a few mates at Northwick Park (before the hospital was built) in Kenton, Middlesex -( but now north London) which is on the west coast main line from Euston. The line has a steady incline up from London. The usual express trains were headed by Coronations, Royal Scots or Princess class steam locos, often double headed by a black five, and usually passed us at approximately 40-50mph, working hard, belching clouds of smoke. But on one particular day, no smoke but a heavy throb of a large diesel engine from a light blue Deltic with 12 coaches at a speed we all estimated at approx. 65-70 mph. I then thought "this is going to be the end of steam" This sight made quite an impression on me, and to this day when I see a Deltic (especially in blue) on UA-cam or in railway films/ Museums, my mind goes back to that sight I had nearly 60 plus years ago.

    • @newforestroadwarrior
      @newforestroadwarrior 5 років тому +1

      The light blue Deltic was the first prototype. It is now in the National Railway Museum.

  • @mekydro
    @mekydro 11 років тому +2

    Lovely. I saw this cavalcade pass Woking, but alas was at work so only glimpsed it out of a window.

  • @DaveIncredibleW
    @DaveIncredibleW 5 років тому +3

    the Deltic has always been my favorite train, nice video

  • @msmirandagirl
    @msmirandagirl 10 років тому +20

    Love it!! There is no replacement for displacement!!

  • @TomsSteamVideos70013
    @TomsSteamVideos70013 11 років тому +2

    Great video. You was lucky to get them to stop there! Some lovely thash coming from Alycidon. I'd love to see that beast on the mainline. Tom.

  • @jamesbutterson5218
    @jamesbutterson5218 3 роки тому +1

    The birds are chirping so peacefully and then! The ole chugger pull's up 😂🐦🕊️🐝🚂💨

  • @trainsofthewest265
    @trainsofthewest265 10 років тому +1

    Nice!!! If only it was like this today. Still, these will be the good old days one day!

  • @rentaghost
    @rentaghost 8 років тому +8

    Brilliant footage. Diesel overload for any Diesel fan. Good work. Thanks for posting ;-)

    • @samsmithsonite1595
      @samsmithsonite1595 6 років тому

      rentaghost1975 ua-cam.com/video/2BFoiCHuAxc/v-deo.html

  • @stephenpowell5912
    @stephenpowell5912 4 роки тому

    More power, Love the BR 5 in this from the Class 55, 33, 47, 20 and the 37 💞 Great Vid

  • @delta7155
    @delta7155 11 років тому +2

    Used to watch Deltics running full tilt along the straight past Abbots Ripton. Great sight, fantastic sound!!

  • @mattstowell8481
    @mattstowell8481 9 років тому +20

    That's a lot of lovely hardware, right there.

  • @sre331l
    @sre331l 11 років тому +51

    A Deltic on test at Vulcan foundry had the same governor/limiters fitted at both ends, not normal practice but they wanted to test her on the dynomometer...to cut a long story short all the engineers ran when they failed and she showed 3000rpm and over 7000hp causing smoke to rise from the windings.....it took one of the old hands who had taken a part time job of an evening cleaning the shop floor to take his broom to the fuel cut off valve to avert disaster. One Engineer in his haste ran through the personnel door in the hanger doors into what he thought was the night sky. It turned out the hanger door was half open and it was a black painted wall! He recovered a few months later after a long stay in Billinge Infirmary. 2-stroke diesels, perfect balance, shame the fuel consumption was so bad!

    • @michaelmcneil4168
      @michaelmcneil4168 6 років тому +1

      What was the fuel consumption?

    • @rogertycholiz2218
      @rogertycholiz2218 6 років тому +1

      They were no more fuel guzzlers than the American EMD locomotives.

    • @PhilPage227
      @PhilPage227 6 років тому +1

      Amazing story. My first two kids were born at Billinge.

    • @samsmithsonite1595
      @samsmithsonite1595 6 років тому

      Andrew Houghton ua-cam.com/video/2BFoiCHuAxc/v-deo.html

    • @alejandrayalanbowman367
      @alejandrayalanbowman367 6 років тому +3

      @Matthew Lund That's the trouble, these days, they got rid of the old-timers who knew what they were doing and took on a load of management trainees and oiks off the street who are not railwaymen, all in the name of privatisation. Glad I retired on redundancy in 1993.

  • @ItzzOliOfficial
    @ItzzOliOfficial 4 роки тому +1

    Amazing video, beautiful british machinery

  • @arch9enius
    @arch9enius 7 років тому +4

    This thing was a lot louder on the platform at Medstead & Four Marks... but the 37 was getting all the attention

  • @bjoe385
    @bjoe385 5 років тому +4

    Why couldn’t I have been born 70 years earlier so I could drive these things.

  • @chrisst8922
    @chrisst8922 4 роки тому +2

    One of the most recent times anyone bothered to put the TOPS number on a train.

  • @christophersharp317
    @christophersharp317 5 років тому +2

    I absolutely love it :) such beautiful machines, though it has to be said that little songbird sings way louder ;)

  • @CPRail4744
    @CPRail4744 11 років тому +1

    Awesome!!! Love that sound...Greetings from Canada!

    • @MrKnowwun
      @MrKnowwun  11 років тому

      Thanks and greetings to you too. Hows that cold weather of yours?

    • @CPRail4744
      @CPRail4744 11 років тому

      Actually warming up again, and where I am in western Canada (British Columbia), it never really got the Polar Vortex thing.
      I was in the UK for three weeks in 2011 and travelled everywhere by train, and loved it. Can't get your scenery and railway network out of my head!

  • @irelandbloke
    @irelandbloke 6 років тому +4

    Superb 👍🏻

  • @PhilPage227
    @PhilPage227 5 років тому +1

    Fabulous to see those beasts together.

  • @mattseymour8637
    @mattseymour8637 5 років тому +1

    Nice sounds from the Deltic and good shot

  • @martiniv8924
    @martiniv8924 3 роки тому

    Taken for granted as a kid, most lamented the loss of steam , me it still puts the hairs up on the back of my neck 🤪

  • @Lawrence5987
    @Lawrence5987 10 років тому +11

    Heavy metal thunder-it's music to my ears. Great British engineering at it's best!

    • @2760ade
      @2760ade 4 роки тому

      Judas Priest in locomotive form, yeahhh love it!

  • @MikesMovies
    @MikesMovies 5 років тому

    There is just no other look or sound, iconic locos, I've watched this before, Great video. would there be a chance of using some of the audio to go with a model rail video I am planning please?

    • @MrKnowwun
      @MrKnowwun  5 років тому +1

      yeah sure, copy what you want.

    • @MikesMovies
      @MikesMovies 5 років тому

      @@MrKnowwun Many thanks, moist kind :)

  • @DaveInBridport
    @DaveInBridport 11 років тому +1

    Such a distinctive exhaust note

  • @simoncroft2158
    @simoncroft2158 5 років тому +1

    A rare sight indeed ! Thumbs up

  • @sitarnut
    @sitarnut 5 років тому +2

    Looking at the front coming at me I realized it looks a bit like a caterpillar, or the larval stage of Mothra... anyway, I love the Deltics... genius engine.

  • @mikesuch9021
    @mikesuch9021 2 роки тому +1

    🎶There's a little hotel
    called the Shady rest,
    At the Junction. 😉

  • @middley1964
    @middley1964 10 років тому +1

    Lucky getting that lot all at once ! great footage !

  • @williamkelley7654
    @williamkelley7654 9 років тому +6

    Nice, no noisy clanging signals in the background too!

  • @Boatman248
    @Boatman248 5 років тому +1

    What a brilliant runner!!

  • @N00N01
    @N00N01 3 роки тому

    And the liveries
    55: Br green
    33: Br blue
    47: Br green(2 tone)
    20: Br blue
    37: Br large logo(grey and yellow for cabs and cab sides)

  • @rammergramps
    @rammergramps 11 років тому +1

    great catch that is for sure loves the sounds

  • @stephenpowell5912
    @stephenpowell5912 Рік тому

    Iconic footage of Class 55 deltic Locomotion ❤️❤️❤️

  • @whitemoor66
    @whitemoor66 11 років тому

    Nice vid. I filmed her last July on her first run up the ECML after returning to the mainline again, and she sounded awesome then too.

  • @jonnybottle
    @jonnybottle 11 років тому +2

    I imagine Mirrlees Pioneer would be one of the first to have a Mirrlees Blackstone engine, made in Stamford

  • @dn5751
    @dn5751 9 років тому +20

    That's the most measly horn I've ever heard.

    • @TarHeelBrit
      @TarHeelBrit 6 років тому +3

      True but their might be horn restrictions in place.

    • @Meddled
      @Meddled 4 роки тому

      Michelle D. Deltics just have squeaky little horns.

  • @am74343
    @am74343 6 років тому

    What is that weird "spaceship" noise when the other train passes by at 4:07?

    • @MrKnowwun
      @MrKnowwun  6 років тому

      Its a space ship, landed right behind me. Or the regenerative electric braking of the EMU

    • @davidjones3758
      @davidjones3758 6 років тому

      More than likely some foreign crap

    • @wharris302
      @wharris302 5 років тому

      That is the far superior EMU.

  • @ianpalmer7758
    @ianpalmer7758 5 років тому +2

    Fantastic theres some proper pulling machinery there long live the deltics beats the crap they use these days !tug of war a deltic vs modern day

  • @Crewecabking
    @Crewecabking 6 років тому +1

    Lovely video I need to see D9009

  • @thrunsguinneabottle3066
    @thrunsguinneabottle3066 5 років тому

    Deltic was the most powerful diesel locomotive in the world, apparently. Yet BR built only 37 examples. Did BR not see a possible market for such a product in overseas territories? Or was it too blinkered by nationalisation, to think of exporting a fine product? Even allowing it to be built under licence would have made sense.

    • @StaxRail
      @StaxRail 5 років тому

      It wasn't BR. English Electric (the manufacturer) even put an American style headlight on DP1, the prototype, but people just didn't care, other than BR who didn't have anything suitable to replace the A4's on the ECML, so they ordered 37 of them

    • @thrunsguinneabottle3066
      @thrunsguinneabottle3066 5 років тому +1

      @@StaxRail I still think someone missed a splendid opportunity to win export sales. I doubt the thing even amortized its own development costs.
      And in the 1950s, Britain was desperate to earn foreign currency.
      My guess is that Britain was just not commercially savvy in these times.

    • @StaxRail
      @StaxRail 5 років тому

      @@thrunsguinneabottle3066 nah, more that the intended export markets had already got their diesels, eg the ALCo F7

    • @thrunsguinneabottle3066
      @thrunsguinneabottle3066 5 років тому

      @@StaxRail But one of the problems with early diesels, was that they were not as powerful as the steam locomotives, which they were intended to replace. The Deltic was the first which was MORE powerful.
      English Electric must have been a fantastic company.
      It also built the Lightening fighter aeroplane, refrigerators and even bus bodies. Where did it all go wrong?

    • @StaxRail
      @StaxRail 5 років тому

      @@thrunsguinneabottle3066 it wasn't EE's fault. The export market, eg America, had already been using diesel for a decade and had managed to develop their engines, such as the F7, so that they were powerful enough. Because we didn't start to modernise until 1955, we were left in the dust

  • @AldofromBordeaux
    @AldofromBordeaux 11 років тому +3

    1 word : Prfect
    thank u sharing that gem

  • @davidjones3758
    @davidjones3758 6 років тому +1

    British design and built brilliant locomotives with style not like the locomotives we have now got now

  • @dakariszulu
    @dakariszulu 8 років тому +3

    Is it me or does the Class 37 look depressed at being at the rear?

    • @ajmedia1274
      @ajmedia1274 5 років тому

      Still my favourite along with the class 40

  • @bkendlerA4
    @bkendlerA4 11 років тому

    Nice one Jeff. Is that the South Western Alton Line? Barry

  • @toonmag50
    @toonmag50 5 років тому +2

    I think these locomotives were Dr Who's arch enemy.

  • @MrSwinny88
    @MrSwinny88 11 років тому +6

    why do 4 people dislike this vid, its bloody awesome.....power!

    • @tiki2950
      @tiki2950 5 років тому

      Needs a tripod for the camera. Too Jerky.

    • @iandocwra1169
      @iandocwra1169 3 роки тому

      Far too much extreme zoom causing motion sickness, perhaps?

  • @ghoulunathics
    @ghoulunathics 5 років тому +1

    1:52 lmao it has a face like it had to leave all of it's loved ones behind forever=D

  • @argonaut6386
    @argonaut6386 2 роки тому

    Can someone please tell me the difference between the number shown on the front and the side?

    • @MrKnowwun
      @MrKnowwun  2 роки тому +1

      The number at the front is the "head code", an old system that showed the type of service it was, and the route it was taking. OZ = Light engine to Motive Power Depot or not to work a train. The number on the side is the class of loco and the build serial number.

    • @argonaut6386
      @argonaut6386 2 роки тому

      @@MrKnowwun Thanks very much for replying 👍

  • @valvlog4665
    @valvlog4665 5 років тому

    6yrs on -- excellent. How did you get it to stop? Tied a kitten to the track?

    • @TheEnglishTrainSpotter2021
      @TheEnglishTrainSpotter2021 5 років тому

      VAL VLOG no it’s Single track after there so it had to wait for the other train to pass

  • @herrbohnen
    @herrbohnen 10 років тому

    Must be difficult to see where you're going , what is in the "Bonnet" area ?

  • @stormwarrior5241
    @stormwarrior5241 5 років тому

    So is it 'towing' five dead engines or push/pull 4?

  • @MrAtlas40
    @MrAtlas40 4 роки тому

    I'm not from the UK. What is the purpose of the SPAD! signal? I know what a SPAD is, but why the signal? Thank you.

    • @MrKnowwun
      @MrKnowwun  4 роки тому

      Its basically a hi-vis repeater, this will explain www.railsigns.uk/sect8page2/sect8page2.html

    • @MrAtlas40
      @MrAtlas40 4 роки тому

      @@MrKnowwun Thank you. I've checked out the link.

  • @giuseppegulino
    @giuseppegulino 6 років тому +2

    grazie di cuore per questo bellissimo video con un gruppo di stupendi locomotori ELETTRO DIESEL grazie veramente per bel lavoro un caro saluto giudeppe

  • @ridefast0
    @ridefast0 6 років тому

    Did nobody spot that all the non-Deltics were being pulled backwards by the Deltic?? Must have been picking up supplementary power from the third rail to pull off that stunt.

  • @wharris302
    @wharris302 5 років тому

    Love 55s, one of my favourite locomotives, the 37 isn't bad either,shame it wasn't runnning. The other two don't interest me that much however.

  • @timosha21
    @timosha21 2 роки тому

    I'm a tram 🚋 and I approve this video! Ding ding!

  • @Passengervehicles
    @Passengervehicles 11 років тому +1

    Excellent videos

  • @PoxyMoxon97
    @PoxyMoxon97 11 років тому +1

    My God! You lucky Bugger!?!?! X'(
    Just one thing though, your description...it's a BR Class 55* 'Deltic'...not a '57' because they Revamped Class 47's...which a 47 is the middle loco in Two-Tone Green livery in this video ;)
    Hope that helps, but great catch! Like, Sub..and obvious comment ;)

  • @terryburton851
    @terryburton851 3 роки тому

    pure joy THANKS....

  • @grassy1947
    @grassy1947 10 років тому

    Where were all these beasts heading for?

    • @MrKnowwun
      @MrKnowwun  10 років тому

      the East Lancs Railway

  • @trainlens3789
    @trainlens3789 3 роки тому

    It's a good looking filthy great brute, isn't it? They used to look as much like airplanes as trains.

  • @Michael_Michaels
    @Michael_Michaels 11 років тому

    It's a shame there wasn't any close up high revving!

  • @craigcrushme
    @craigcrushme 5 років тому

    Doodles of the Deltics by some poor youngster would often be mistaken for those of a motor-car, given the notched ends of the locos.

  • @MrKnowwun
    @MrKnowwun  11 років тому +1

    Yup, the very same, one stop up from Alton.

  • @masonsmainlineroblox
    @masonsmainlineroblox 4 роки тому

    How did you get on the rails

  • @Goodchappy
    @Goodchappy 10 років тому +1

    I like the almost silent horn @ 4:46 LOL !

  • @scopex2749
    @scopex2749 4 роки тому

    We used to see this Deltic regularly at our depot in Wimbledon having her wheels turned, we had one of the few wheel lathes that can do it when the wheels are STILL on the loco! My old dad probably did the wiring on her along with the others! Nice catch!👍🏻

  • @Michael_Michaels
    @Michael_Michaels 3 роки тому

    This sighting is the equivalent to a jackpot!

  • @r3playretro
    @r3playretro 9 років тому +1

    My favourite diesel loco

  • @antsblaschke
    @antsblaschke 9 днів тому

    Majesty Might and power. They thrill me like athousand benedicites and tedeums never can do.

  • @Ashfaq1999
    @Ashfaq1999 5 місяців тому

    Great video 😊

  • @marryellen7713
    @marryellen7713 6 років тому

    That "OZ20" series has a very long wheel base.

  • @KINGANDCASTLE
    @KINGANDCASTLE 11 років тому

    That's the later May bank holiday - not this weekend.

  • @Domdeone1
    @Domdeone1 5 років тому +2

    How dare you-you stole my future..

  • @arguspanoptes9510
    @arguspanoptes9510 6 років тому

    At least the first engine is in tune with the colours of nature...

  • @johnbrown9092
    @johnbrown9092 6 років тому

    What a catch. Well done.

  • @BritishRailwaysandSirens
    @BritishRailwaysandSirens 7 років тому

    Was this one running on both engines or just one?