Where is the Quantum Moon actually hidden?
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- This is a video going out of bounds to show where the Outer Wilds devs hid the Sixth Location of the Quantum Moon.
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The Quantum Moon is supposed to be orbiting around the Eye of the Universe when it's at it's sixth location, however the Eye is located in a separate game scene so they had to hide it elsewhere.
Spoiler: the sixth location is just a distant orbit around the sun, and the Quantum Moon is just invisible if you aren't on it. If you are on it, then it doesn't matter because you can't see the planets through the clouds so you're none the wiser.
I used the FreeCam mod made by _nebula in this video, you can find the mod on outerwildsmods.com if you want to use it yourself!
When i played thr game the first time, the Quantum Moon was jaw dropping. I remember going to sleep being completely wordless
Oh yeah, getting to its 6th location was hands down one of the best moments in the game
back then, i cant believe it took me so long to notice that it was moving when i wasnt looking..
Yes do the dream world! These videos are cool, I like seeing how the game was developed technically.
Dream world is nice because in the gameplay itself, you can kinda see how it works :D
Bros got that maple syrup sounding voice 😭
idk what ur talking aboot
@@xen-42 i think it's a compliment :) smooth and sweet :)
Its a slight Fucking accent ! You can hardly tell !😡 "Pulls out grenade laucher"
@@luisoviedo8948 its also about him sounding canadian, hence why he replied "aboot"
someone else has a good video where they leave a scout on the QM, let it teleport to the “sixth location,” and fly out to it and sure enough, Solanum is right there behind them!!
thats cool that even when you arrive at the QM when its glitched and at the 6th location it still brings you to the north pole so you end up with solanum
I saw a a video of someone putting the scout on the Pillar thing when it was in the 6 location at the correct angle.
jump out back to timber heart then jumped into the ship and flew to the lone structure out in space (that would the freak out and more or less kill you whit random gravity).
There was a bug early on, like in 1.0.2, where if you left the scout on the QM and then left, map mode would still show its indicator. By juggling the camera angles for a bit to push the QM to the 6th location, you'd get the indicator to point to an empty spot in space at around the distance you show in the video. Iirc, when doing this repeatedly, the QM would jump around to random points on its orbit, instead of following a predictable path.
Also iirc, while in the 6th location you could pull out the signalscope and still hear music. Oddly enough, the distance indicator would continuously increase, as if the QM left its orbit and was just flying away in one direction. This was also patched out.
This is so cool, I’ve previously discovered this by using a grey zone in the Quantum moon’s clipping to do this in vanilla, I really liked how the moon looked in all states at once, as if you could see what the quantum object truly existed as.(even if the eye is technically that but yeah close enough)
On the dream world, I love to use the Lucid Dreaming glitch to discover stuff, and I once tried to get the the ending while technically in the dream world, and I actually got really close with multiple methods, but it seems to be very hard to do without mods. Anyway, I would love to see a dream world video.
(And to note I’ve discovered that the dream world sits in front of the sun a bit away from where the stranger actually starts.)
I'll definitely have to use the lucid dreaming glitch in that video then, at least to show it off
nice vid man, I always wondered where the fuck we were going when we were in sixth location
Thanks! Glad to have solved the mystery
1:03 lol, the number of shortcuts they took making this game, but somehow i never noticed any of them while playing.
The problem with the quantum moon is it has clearly a mass, so constantly changing position should affect the orbits at some point. The moon also need a reason to remain in the system or it could jump everywhere in the univers, so it makes sense it's trapped inside the system. Even if everybody dies with the supernova and there is nobody to see the moon anymore it's still destroyed too, as it acts like it's at every place at once, but inside the system. So from the moon's perspective the supernova comes from everywhere at once.
Does outer wilds really have n-body simulation or it's more like ksp where one object can orbit another object and that's all?
@@Eklykti The latter, it's a tree structure. All the planets (Hourglass Twins counting as a single body both in-lore and in-engine, scriptedly moving around their midpoint which itself does an orbit), Interloper, White Hole Station, Deep Space Probe, the Sixth Location Quantum Moon, and _the debris of_ Sun Station all orbit the sun. Attlerock, Hollow's Lantern, Orbital Probe Cannon, the other five Quantum Moons, and Timber Hearth Photoshoot Probe all orbit their respective planets. Sun Station itself, the Orbital Probe itself, and the DLC location are _scripted_ movement unaffected by orbital mechanics whatsoever. In fact, the Orbital Probe and all the celestial bodies _noclip each other_ so they can't even physically collide with each other (Lore Explorer did a Deep Space Kraken to screw with the orbits via floating point shenanigans, causing the Interloper to phase through Giant's Deep and everything else). Sun Station is programmed to delete itself at a certain sun expansion radius (enough for it to be fully "submerged"), and the Interloper is programmed to delete itself when it likewise is fully submerged in the sun (not a specific time or location in its orbit), but other than that, the celestial bodies have _no interaction with each other at all,_ their orbital mechanics are determined exclusively by orbiting their "parent body" (so the Sun doesn't actually affect Attlerock at all, except indirectly by causing Timber Hearth's orbit, and likewise it can't yoink Hourglass Twins Quantum Moon since that moon _has no knowledge_ that the Hourglass Twins are themselves orbiting something).
The player and their ship are affected by the gravity well(s) of _everything_ they're in range of, prioritizing the strongest scaled by distance (your ship being succed by the sun during Interloper's flyby, as well as the direction the landing cam points in Ash-vs-Ember, Hearth-vs-Attlerock, and Lantern-vs-Hollow), but they themselves cause no gravity.
Your memories get sent back in time whether or not you die. When in this 6th location, you do not die but your memories get sent back in time none the less. As in the person you were stays alive. Imagine actually being the one who lives in that specific timeline instead of receiving the memories of the previous one.
He said that his loop reset before the sun exploded, which is indeed unusual.
Maybe the animation doesn't play just because you can't see it? Also there are some effects associated with the explosion I think which you aren't supposed to experience there, but I don't know if it's a problem.
Maybe it's like an easter egg of where the Eye would be in the universe if it was reachable, far and orbiting the sun.
And/or at one point in development they planned to let you fly to it but decided otherwise and just left the code that way.
yeah I remember the devs said in interviews that the eye was originally meant to be reachable with your ship
One of the reasons why the hidden quantum moon might orbit the sun and not dark bramble is because inside dark bramble, your velocity somewhat resets or slows down when you enter one of the pocket dimensions unlike quantum moon it has to maintain a certain velocity so that you don't immediately die when the Tower teleports you to a different planet.
Funnily enough you can actually die from fall damage when you move around the tower while switching between planets, which is still a bug on the current version.
ay, cool video 🙌
Thank you! glad you liked it
Quantum objects are both everywhere and nowhere and yet exactly where they need to be at exactly the time they need to be there.
Love these videos. Can't wait for the dlc :o
Glad you like them!
So could you hypothetically wind up with your ship drifting into the mechanical 6th location orbiting the sun at the same time it loads?
I think so yeah, would just be pretty difficult to line it up since its moving around and far from the sun
@@xen-42 I've done it but I died, YT tends to shadowban links so just google "Travelling to the 6th location using a glitch"
Would probably take you about 9 million tries :P
@@anonymous38741 nice, now I don't have to try it
@@xen-42 not really as you can force the 6 moon location or at least the quantum tower/teleporter (by plopping a hand probe on it in the right spot).
then fly there using the scout as the marker.
as you get close enouth the 6 location would load.
if you was in the ship it insta kill you.
if your on foot/suit EVA you enter it "correct" like nothing happen.
great video! thanks for all the effort :)
Thank you!
yea for dreamworld vid!
Nice!
The reason why the quantum moon orbits unlike the bramble is probably because it has gravity. It may have been more effort to code a new type of planet that has gravity but isn't affected by the sun than to just use the same code and give it enough velocity to orbit like the others.
Yeah could be!
i remember my first time after beating echoes of the eye I saw the Quantum moon orbiting the eye just to the left.
So, what it means when you get got on the sixth location by the sun, is that the sun activated the ash twin project and your memory stream is cut off. Being far away from the sun doesn't matter. The sun didn't expode while you were there because the sun exploding creates a very specific noise and light that, obviously, would give away that the sixth location is still in the solar system. So, while you're "there", they just don't play the animation, because you're canonically too far away to see, and the cloud layer prevents you leaving to check.
Yeah definitely makes sense, I figured the distance was just to ensure the graphical effects of the supernova don't reach you but you're right that no matter what you'd still hear the supernova since it's a global sound not affected by distance, so they have to just not play the sequence
thank you i requested this vid learned a lot
Glad you liked it!
Definitely wanna know how the dreamworld works. I figured it's as simple as using the sleep/wake screen to swap between "layers" and the dreamworld is just stacked on top of the normal Stranger kind of like Dark Bramble's pocket dimensions, which is how you can glitch the ship into it, but then how does it track the player's state in the real Stranger? Does the game just create a save state when you enter and yank you back to those coordinates (while reverting your HP and whether you have the spacesuit) when they become flooded with water or you're woken up by other means?
It's a little bit below the Stranger, I have a mod that makes the stranger always visible and you can see it in the sky when you enter the dreamworld because I forgot to vanish it then. It's kinda funny that the game actually relies on the Strangers cloak to make it not appear in the dreamworld, it's in about the same place as the ringed planet in the sky. I hadn't thought about the HP thing, because when you die in the dreamworld it starts triggering an actual death then exits out like halfway through to respawn you in the stranger. It might just heal you back to full, I should look into what it does there
good to know
Real
I can't seem to find any video explaining where the dream world is loaded. I assume somewhere in the solar system given you can get your ship there if you're precise enough, but I'd love a proper explanation/ reveal!
Yeah it's a flat plane floating above the sun facing away from it so its always dark, it starts loading it when you approach the green campfires with an artifact and teleports you over while making everything invisible. The dreamworld will propably be my next outer wilds video! (unless I get really interested in something else)
Can you fo over hwo the ending works techincally its all so trippy
Good idea! I'll look into it and see if theres enough for a video
@@xen-42 yeah jsut the weird purple to the museam (whoch i still dont know what happnes if yoy fall off the edge lol) then the map to the stars then the campfire then finding all of the pals in a weird way to the end its all just feeels like a fever dream in a good way
Sixth location quantum moon still resets you during supernova because the ember twins dying means it triggers the 22 minute failsafe of memory right?
2:23 the first time I jumped into the clouds in the eye state… it just spit me back out where I entered… beside solanum in the eye state… was this a glitch?
Maybe you had taken a photo on your scout? I think that makes it do that
Very cool
Thank you!
I'm pretty sure you get obliterated by the sun even when at the 6th location, unless I'm misremembering
When you reach the eye you can wait for the sun to explode and see that it never reaches you when you're that far out, so it makes sense that when the QM is at the 6th location it wouldn't get you. You just loop as you normally do when you escape the supernova through other means. This also allows them to have the alternate ending where you pull the plug on the ATP and go on the QM, since you're safe from the supernova there you don't die at the end of the loop
Maybe not an actual explanation since I don't know the code, but could they have the QM orbit instead of being static because they needed gravity while there? There's not gravity in DB except at the angler skeleton.
You make a good point, actually when doing custom planet mods we ran into issues once where water on a planet would bug out and break if the planet was static, because there was code trying to take the orbital motion of the planet into account which was then breaking since it wasn't orbiting. Maybe they had hard-coded some other features of the Quantum Moon that would have also broken when static, and it was easier to just not fix them and have it orbit the sun instead.
Quick question, sometimes you can see the quantum moon *at* the eye of the universe. Obviously you can’t enter it so is that just a separate entity only used for set dressing, or do they haul the quantum moon over for that?
At the eye they only have the outer cloud layer of the quantum moon, there's nothing actually inside it. It also doesn't simulate physics anymore and is just manually moved in a circle around the eye instead of simulating gravity iirc.
So what you are telling me is that the sun is the eye of the universe? Well, that’s just a theory…
neato !
I don't get it, the game has a massive opaque object that could be hollow hiding stuff inside and instead it just doesn't hide anything inside the sun.
I'd really love to find out if in any interviews with the devs they've explained why they didn't end up doing it
@@xen-42 My best guess is that because the physics system in this game is so linked to real life physics if they altered the mass of the sun by making it hollow, it would screw up the orbit the player and other physics objects relative to the sun. Gravity on timber hearth is affected by The Attlerock enough that you jump noticeably higher when it's above you. The reason you get launched backwards in zero gravity when you fire the scout isn't because they coded it to apply negative force to the player, that happens because everything would break if the action of firing the probe didn't have equal and opposite reactions, everything would break. Jumping doesn't apply upward force, it applies force downward to the ground and jumping is the result. The zero g cave isn't coded to be zero g, it's zero g because it's literally the center of the planet and all the mass is around you...maybe they couldn't create a space large enough to hide a zero g environment as large as dark bramble?
@@gamesdeen3768 yeah but i dont think that the actual volume of an astral body is taken into account, just a centre of mass, a mass and a radius. ill look it up further later. and i dont think the player actually has an effect on the planets because nothing happens when i crash into the interloper at full speed.
@@xen-42 The sun, in reality, isn't that big. When it is collapsing, just before the boom and then the explosive light show, you can spot a very small sphere - that's the "core" of the sun. What we see as the sun pre-explosion, while large, would end up not being good at hiding anything due to that large sphere collapsing just before the big boom. Anything hiding in that would then be revealed. The only way they could use the sun to hide anything was if they stuffed it into that tiny core sphere in the middle....and it's really not that big of a sphere to hide anything in. Another explanation could be that the sun is designed to auto-end your run if you're ever in it, so hiding things in it that the player gets teleported to was probably more trouble than it's worth to get protection from the auto-kill.
1:40 death incoming
Name of mod on 01:12?
Unity Explorer!
@@xen-42 thank you!