We shoulda known raids were too easy when that one group cleared King's Fall in all blue gear to prove a point to people crying about Divinity getting nerfed.
@@EvanHoke this is beyond accurate. Casuals want the entire game unlocked and available for them to beat with 0 preparation or care for their builds or loadouts. Just take your favorite stuff and win! And you're 100% correct when you say they don't want to admit they suck, hard to admit that you're getting ur ass whooped by a computer.
I would not agree with that, my team actually managed to clear legend avalon in a few hours while the whole day on contest we just cleared the first encounter...
I think encounters being soloable after contest mode is fine. It's a fun challenge and solo nezzy is up there for one of the harder lowmans imo. That being said, contest mode and master being such a cake walk is stupid and should be changed.
The only hard part of the raid I found was the 3rd encounter and that was only because it felt like they completely threw out the mechanics of the first 2 encounters to do something different. And then on the final encounter, they go back to what the first 2 encounters were doing.
@@Unique__Thoughts I mean, it’s difficult to have it both ways. An encounter that feels appropriately difficult/complex is going to be insanely hard to solo. Something that’s soloable is likely gonna be too easy for a 6 person team
I want to do this raid at least once just to take in all the visuals. This raid is gorgeous but I've yet to get enough friends together to do it ( I'm currently taking them through VoG as the first raid they've ever attempted and we have to 5 man it)
I promise, I know the idea of getting an LFG may seem scary, but LFGs are generally very nice and helpful as long as you make it clear that you are inexperienced.
I mean this raid has been two manned so far so technically 5 is enough people. I don’t have lightfall yet but when I buy it next season me and my friend are gonna two man the raid
Root of Nightmares is very doable 5 man. Me and my friends have been doing it for the past few weeks and a number of them aren't even on level for the final encounter.
LFG is actually really welcoming and reliable now if you join a group that’s not requiring clears. There’s an official bungie LFG, there’s a subreddit, every UA-camr has a discord
You should play a game I played with my friends called “RoN, but someone is the real boss” where 5 people are doing the activity and one person makes it their goal to wipe the team by botching the mechanics
Bungie made the easy stuff harder and the hard stuff easier. Pretty impressive that they managed to piss off the casuals AND the hardcore players in a single change.
@@WolfSeril107 You guys are choosing the goalposts with this stuff. This raid is clearly in preparation for the in-game LFG coming soon. It would be an absolute waste if Bungie balanced the game around close knit worlds first raiding groups who use nothing but ultra optimal meta loadouts and 6 warlock wells. The difficulty is just fine.
A team of some of the best Destiny players, some who make the game a career, don't find something challenging that is meant to be accessible to others who don't no-life the game? Gee.... what a surprise!
@@misterkratos I only hope that Bungie continue to ignore people like Datto. He's becoming more and more of an angry old man yelling at a cloud. I've played for 2000 hours, an absurd amount of time to play 1 single game (nevermind Dattos likely 10,000+ hours). The master difficulty took 12 hours to get through with randoms in LFG. The difficulty is just fine. People need to stop crutching solar healing and optimal ultra giga loadouts with triple 100 armor stats. Bungie aren't going to ruin a game for the majority just because some people literally play nothing else.
@@ChardogNation You very clearly missed the entire point of the video which was "Master RoN is so easy that a team can carry someone who is on a work meeting through it no problem." Yet... those 5 people of that team are made up of people who made the game their career.
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong Actually Vow isn’t in RoN. Considering that the comment was on a RoN video that’s what I was talking about… I wanted to say RoN 5 man is easy even if Vow wasn’t.
I mean the “challenge” for encounter 1 is have the light buff holder kill the tormentor aka have everyone else beat them down and let buff guy get the kill. Maybe instead you have to kill the tormentor before a certain time like kill it before 15-20 seconds. You could also do it to where everyone has to at least activate 1 ball in a phase if possible
I actually liked the Master version compared to the normal, I think it’s how it should be… except for Nezarec… mf one shot everyone and gave me day one flashbacks
Does anybody know why Tractor doesn’t inherit anti-barrier from Radiant? It seems to be the only gun that doesn’t have explicit anti-champion traits that doesn’t get it. I am aware it stuns Overloads by default, but this is a Subclass property, not a weapon property.
To be fair to him, it was a culmination of a tonne of effort and work from multiple people and a lot of skill and effort on his part. Simply "soloing" Neza doesn't equate to it being "easy" - it's very much a difficult feat; 6 man is not however.
@@SunnyBloop of course, soloing the raid boss is an incredible feat! But also, the boss of a raid, which in theory should be the toughest activity in the game, should not be soloable 2 weeks after launch (or ever, as it should be a team effort).
@@PpTheGreatest Oh don't get me wrong, the raid is barely a Raid - its a Dungeon that let's you have 6 people with a single raid encounter in the middle. But that doesn't diminish the fact that the solo itself has been a lot of work and effort, and isn't just something any normal player can achieve - It's a very VERY difficult feat with a lot of min maxing going on. Same goes for most low-person challenges - Just because it's been done doesn't necessarily mean it's easy and anyone can do it.
@Harry Stringer We all agree on that. No one said it was objectively easy to solo Nez. Relatively speaking however, to see a raid boss solo'd within weeks of the raid dropping is unprecedented over all raids (bar maybe crota, no idea when that was first solo'd) and it's quite clear on that basis alone that this raid has a problem. This was also demonstrated when other encounters were solo'd during contest, flawlesses and low mans were dropped during contest and the raid was completed in two and a half hours on day 1. Basically, soloing nez is difficult for any player, but soloing nez IS much more approachable than any other raid boss solo in history that isn't just a cheese (like Riven is today).
I love that Datto did this to prove a point but at some point people need to accept that some of the pain points people have in destiny Bungie simply doesn't agree with. They've been saying for a while now they want everyone to be able to interact with EVERY piece of content to some extent so this raid being ridiculously easy didn't surprise me at all. Do I think this raid was a little too easy (especially considering contest clears, master clears, and the nezzy solo)? yes, but as someone who's tired of the champion jank in GMs, Extremely long nightfalls, Randoms fucking up platinum in low level weekly missions and nightfalls by despawning champions, and really didn't care for vows mechanics, I'm not mad. I can raid and carry when I have to but day one races and hardcore grinding the raid challenges for the titles isn't for me.
I wanted to at least try and share the only solar non ability spam build I like across all 3 classes, Datto mentioned searching for a non-bonk solar titan build: I fucking hate ability spam builds, abilities are fun but when they steal the show they become so boringly strong that the excitement of bungie's well made gunplay loses all value, and at that point then wtf did I even grind all these guns for if I can just throw infinite grenades and hammers. With that context out of the way I wanna preach How awesome Path of Burning Steps is for Solar Titan in PvE. Firewalker feeds into solar gunplay on Titan so well that its all I use on Titan. Exotics like that one are what make Destiny enjoyable to me, They promote the synergy not between a single ability or the synergy between multiple abilities, but instead promote the synergy between abilities and the great gunplay of this game. besides solar surge and gun related mods, the build isnt too complex outside of what is essentially roaring flame for your guns.
Pretty disappointed with the difficulty, especially since that tweet where they were like "if you're disappointed with contest, wait for master 😈" Like bruh it's easier
This attitude is so draining to someone who doesn't have the time to keep up with the grind. Things can be effortless for well-equipped, well-optimized teams without being easy for most people.
Any optimization and actual preparation (being the appropriate level) makes the game as a whole easier. But when mron's difficulty pales in comparison to the legend Avalon, there is a problem
There’s an aspect that is “when you hit a charged melee, become radiant for x seconds” and being radiant grants anti barrier, so when he bonks something with his hammer, all his weapons, shotgun included, become anti-barrier for the duration.
The real raid challenge: 2 hour workplace zoom call meeting
Truly a test of patience
This one hit home for me
Why stop there? Have it be a full 8 hour shift, we get paid by the drifter
Wasn't expecting Datto challenges to return in this way
But im glad it did
Not only did he have to survive the raid bosses he had to survive his irl bosses too I think he's the real mvp
Bungie: “So going forward raids are going to be 5 man activities.”
Might unironically be easier to balance.
ah yes the overwatch treatment
@@Kirokill1 could you elaborate what you refer to ?
@TheStormCloud overwatch used to be 6v6. Now its 5v5
Meanwhile people doing solo flawless of this raid lol
Week 1 Master Challenge (For Math Class):
The Saviors: Keep one teammate alive while they afk due to work
We’re back to the “6 No Land Beyonds vs. Crota” days with RoN huh? Love to see it.
i wish.
This is absolutely hysterical, I thought the 2nd encounter would be an issue but nope, he doesn't need to go up any floors cause why not
It was probably only an issue in the beginning but once it progressed further down to the end of the first floor, he was fine to be left alone.
This video says more about the difficulty of the raid than elitist Datto ever could
We shoulda known raids were too easy when that one group cleared King's Fall in all blue gear to prove a point to people crying about Divinity getting nerfed.
Most teams can’t do this though lmao
Yup People dont want things to be hard and cant admit they suck at the game. Pinnacle content should be HARD
@@EvanHoke this is beyond accurate. Casuals want the entire game unlocked and available for them to beat with 0 preparation or care for their builds or loadouts. Just take your favorite stuff and win! And you're 100% correct when you say they don't want to admit they suck, hard to admit that you're getting ur ass whooped by a computer.
@@WHlSKYtx speak for urself ive carried many
It feels weird that the Legend Vexcalibur Mission is the hardest thing added this season. Contest RoN was free and so is Master.
My team would not tell you contest was free, but believe me I thought it was (I live in pain)
@@codybeames1534 sounds like you need a new team lol
@@codybeames1534 we ran it once on day 1 then went to sleep. when we woke up we ran it 3 more times with other friends to get them the completion.
@@codybeames1534 your friends probably use LMGs for dps 😂😂😂
I would not agree with that, my team actually managed to clear legend avalon in a few hours while the whole day on contest we just cleared the first encounter...
This + solo nezarec being completed today/yesterday say everything that needs to be said about this raid’s difficulty
I think encounters being soloable after contest mode is fine. It's a fun challenge and solo nezzy is up there for one of the harder lowmans imo. That being said, contest mode and master being such a cake walk is stupid and should be changed.
The only hard part of the raid I found was the 3rd encounter and that was only because it felt like they completely threw out the mechanics of the first 2 encounters to do something different. And then on the final encounter, they go back to what the first 2 encounters were doing.
@@Unique__Thoughts I mean, it’s difficult to have it both ways. An encounter that feels appropriately difficult/complex is going to be insanely hard to solo. Something that’s soloable is likely gonna be too easy for a 6 person team
thats super disingenuous to say seeing as the hardest encounter ever designed in destiny has also been soloed
@@slothfacts9390 which one are you referring to? Also not saying it’s impossible, just saying that it’s difficult for both to be true
“I threw a fusion grenade at a gladiator” most relatable warlock moment 😂
Truly the pinnacle raiding experience
Next challenge: Master RoN but someone has to go afk to load the dryer
I want to do this raid at least once just to take in all the visuals. This raid is gorgeous but I've yet to get enough friends together to do it ( I'm currently taking them through VoG as the first raid they've ever attempted and we have to 5 man it)
Let me know what platform and I'm down to come and help :)
I promise, I know the idea of getting an LFG may seem scary, but LFGs are generally very nice and helpful as long as you make it clear that you are inexperienced.
I mean this raid has been two manned so far so technically 5 is enough people. I don’t have lightfall yet but when I buy it next season me and my friend are gonna two man the raid
Root of Nightmares is very doable 5 man. Me and my friends have been doing it for the past few weeks and a number of them aren't even on level for the final encounter.
LFG is actually really welcoming and reliable now if you join a group that’s not requiring clears. There’s an official bungie LFG, there’s a subreddit, every UA-camr has a discord
"That was my favorite expansion" went over EVERYONE'S heads.
The "I'm back", at the end was the best part 😂
You should play a game I played with my friends called “RoN, but someone is the real boss” where 5 people are doing the activity and one person makes it their goal to wipe the team by botching the mechanics
>disrupt nodes
>they can't win
@@NobleVI_343 eager edgd off the cliff, block the shit, there are options
I mean that's basically LFG with people who won't admit they don't know what's going on lol
Would’ve been great if there were just cuts of Cyth in a zoom call throughout this.
Great vid
That or go to his character's perspective in the raid. 😆
Good return to form with the raid challenge modes. If this is a lull in difficulty similar with CE maybe more raid challenges??
Bungie made the easy stuff harder and the hard stuff easier. Pretty impressive that they managed to piss off the casuals AND the hardcore players in a single change.
If you meet any blueberries struggling in neomurna patrols, tell them to try some easier content like the raid hard mode
@@WolfSeril107 You guys are choosing the goalposts with this stuff. This raid is clearly in preparation for the in-game LFG coming soon. It would be an absolute waste if Bungie balanced the game around close knit worlds first raiding groups who use nothing but ultra optimal meta loadouts and 6 warlock wells. The difficulty is just fine.
Sounds like Elitist Datto didn’t die off after all 👀
Just one of the raids of all time
Datto going back to the classics with raid challenge videos
Master Root of nightmares but everyone plays with one hand.
For the Titan no-bonk/no-Lorely, why not slap on Ashen Wake? At roaring x3, they do more damage than a starfire nade. And it's mad fun
RoN is now truly Crota 2.0 with the return of challenges
I love how this master mode is so not challenging that they are basically just chilling
If you'll notice they're also not messing up or dying constantly. Join some LFGs solo if the game is too easy.
A team of some of the best Destiny players, some who make the game a career, don't find something challenging that is meant to be accessible to others who don't no-life the game? Gee.... what a surprise!
@@misterkratos I only hope that Bungie continue to ignore people like Datto. He's becoming more and more of an angry old man yelling at a cloud. I've played for 2000 hours, an absurd amount of time to play 1 single game (nevermind Dattos likely 10,000+ hours). The master difficulty took 12 hours to get through with randoms in LFG. The difficulty is just fine. People need to stop crutching solar healing and optimal ultra giga loadouts with triple 100 armor stats. Bungie aren't going to ruin a game for the majority just because some people literally play nothing else.
@@misterkratosexplain how the person not playing because they have a work meeting made d2 their career
@@ChardogNation You very clearly missed the entire point of the video which was "Master RoN is so easy that a team can carry someone who is on a work meeting through it no problem." Yet... those 5 people of that team are made up of people who made the game their career.
I did the same thing yesterday with an LFG team while I was zooming into a college class 😂
AAYYYY! 5:56! "Into the thick of it. Into the thick of it. We're going 'round in circles..." Backyardigans goes hard baby!
You know a raid is easy when your team is able to carry an afk player on master
Datto how am I supposed to enjoy this video when you cut out the greatest part of the raid:
The refuge jumping puzzle!! 😂
Y’all gotta be the most calmest team I’ve ever seen lmao
Calm must be part of how they place so high on races too, I guess.
Wow that description is incredible
As someone that hasn't played Destiny in a minute I was REALLY hoping they'd all surprise us with this "master" mode but alas
Never thought I would do I five man raid, but this raid really proved me wrong the first time I did it…
I did 5 man vow once. fuck that
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong Honestly the only hard part was Nezerac dps. We basically breezed through most of it.
@@eye-chan1711 Nezarec isn't in vow
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong Actually Vow isn’t in RoN. Considering that the comment was on a RoN video that’s what I was talking about… I wanted to say RoN 5 man is easy even if Vow wasn’t.
lol duo
This is beyond elitist and I’m here for it
I know you guys are OP and all but how in heaven the AFK guy got less deaths than the rest of the people in the tumb nail😂😂😂
Fun fact, patrol enemies in Neomuna are harder to kill than the enemies in master raids or dungeons.
"If you don't like something, go do something you like." - Else, Someone
Bringing Challenge Back to Destiny
ah yes "the pinnacle end game challenge"
A 61 roll from a master raid...just honestly incredible
Shoutout to the guy who sang, "Into the thick of it" lmao
Next Time on Datto: Root of Nightmares ft. Chef Datto
I mean the “challenge” for encounter 1 is have the light buff holder kill the tormentor aka have everyone else beat them down and let buff guy get the kill.
Maybe instead you have to kill the tormentor before a certain time like kill it before 15-20 seconds. You could also do it to where everyone has to at least activate 1 ball in a phase if possible
lol
i like this style of content
This is just unbelievable
Encounter 3: So you dont have to stand on the plates. Only touch it to activate. Last weeks ive done like many others to stand on plates.
lmao the description
No threat seems like a weird choice
Nezarec caught Cyth slippin.
The title had me creasing
And I love that the people who were sh*t talking Datto for what he said about challenge are SILENT!😂
It literally is challenging if you don't crutch titan solar sunspots and 4 warlock wells 🤣
@@oxsila 😂
I actually liked the Master version compared to the normal, I think it’s how it should be… except for Nezarec… mf one shot everyone and gave me day one flashbacks
you could make week two have two teamates playing chess
Can we get some of that old Crota’s End type content?
First time I’ve heard shoot to loot used
Destiny 2: Master Root of Nightmares, but my Friend is a Raid Mechanic
Does anybody know why Tractor doesn’t inherit anti-barrier from Radiant? It seems to be the only gun that doesn’t have explicit anti-champion traits that doesn’t get it.
I am aware it stuns Overloads by default, but this is a Subclass property, not a weapon property.
wish we had the afk POV, wouldve been really cool
Datto is sassy as fuck and it's hilarious
Datto, go Ashen Wake for Titan Solar. Zero bonk, zero Splendor, all Fusion.
5:54 who else said “into the thick of it” in unison in their brain 😂 it’s like he read my mind
I could see a flawless run being done like this
World's first 5 man master with challenge
elitist datto's spirit lives on at least
Cyth the real MVP
not sure if anyone has noticed it but ive found it really annoying is that the shadow legion cabal leap around so much
I saw a guy soloing nezarec today. Tough raid
To be fair to him, it was a culmination of a tonne of effort and work from multiple people and a lot of skill and effort on his part. Simply "soloing" Neza doesn't equate to it being "easy" - it's very much a difficult feat; 6 man is not however.
@@SunnyBloop of course, soloing the raid boss is an incredible feat! But also, the boss of a raid, which in theory should be the toughest activity in the game, should not be soloable 2 weeks after launch (or ever, as it should be a team effort).
@@SunnyBloop That's only part of the story. The fact that it was possible to solo it is a good indication that something is very wrong.
@@PpTheGreatest Oh don't get me wrong, the raid is barely a Raid - its a Dungeon that let's you have 6 people with a single raid encounter in the middle. But that doesn't diminish the fact that the solo itself has been a lot of work and effort, and isn't just something any normal player can achieve - It's a very VERY difficult feat with a lot of min maxing going on. Same goes for most low-person challenges - Just because it's been done doesn't necessarily mean it's easy and anyone can do it.
@Harry Stringer We all agree on that. No one said it was objectively easy to solo Nez. Relatively speaking however, to see a raid boss solo'd within weeks of the raid dropping is unprecedented over all raids (bar maybe crota, no idea when that was first solo'd) and it's quite clear on that basis alone that this raid has a problem. This was also demonstrated when other encounters were solo'd during contest, flawlesses and low mans were dropped during contest and the raid was completed in two and a half hours on day 1.
Basically, soloing nez is difficult for any player, but soloing nez IS much more approachable than any other raid boss solo in history that isn't just a cheese (like Riven is today).
We need a Nezarec Rat King video
Raid challenge datto is back?
Funny little piece of information
U can do the challenge without killing any tormentors
Might as well just 5 man it tbh
Cyth for MVP of Master RoN
Root is just D2 version of Crota XD
I love that Datto did this to prove a point but at some point people need to accept that some of the pain points people have in destiny Bungie simply doesn't agree with. They've been saying for a while now they want everyone to be able to interact with EVERY piece of content to some extent so this raid being ridiculously easy didn't surprise me at all. Do I think this raid was a little too easy (especially considering contest clears, master clears, and the nezzy solo)? yes, but as someone who's tired of the champion jank in GMs, Extremely long nightfalls, Randoms fucking up platinum in low level weekly missions and nightfalls by despawning champions, and really didn't care for vows mechanics, I'm not mad. I can raid and carry when I have to but day one races and hardcore grinding the raid challenges for the titles isn't for me.
Cyth bringing the fat carry to the raid
u say elitist datto is not featured in this video....but I can see him smirking with a nod of approval in the backround while making this vid
I'm surprised theres no threats
This is actually more of an elitist Datto vid than the raid review. I love it.
lmao i mean what were people actually expecting if the contest mode was a bust?
Really says the state of D2 again if the challenge videos are coming back
Did cyth have a surprise work meeting? How do you start a master raid and then have to go to a work meeting
This is certainly one of the raids in the hit looter shooter game known as destiny 2
Please find a new "joke" I beg of you
@@milzhere you overestimate the brainpower of destiny players
@@milzhere your life
master raid armor should be artifice or at least let you get the raid mod free of cost so i actually feel like getitng an entire set
I wanted to at least try and share the only solar non ability spam build I like across all 3 classes, Datto mentioned searching for a non-bonk solar titan build:
I fucking hate ability spam builds, abilities are fun but when they steal the show they become so boringly strong that the excitement of bungie's well made gunplay loses all value, and at that point then wtf did I even grind all these guns for if I can just throw infinite grenades and hammers. With that context out of the way I wanna preach How awesome Path of Burning Steps is for Solar Titan in PvE. Firewalker feeds into solar gunplay on Titan so well that its all I use on Titan. Exotics like that one are what make Destiny enjoyable to me, They promote the synergy not between a single ability or the synergy between multiple abilities, but instead promote the synergy between abilities and the great gunplay of this game. besides solar surge and gun related mods, the build isnt too complex outside of what is essentially roaring flame for your guns.
Jez
11:34 how did he stun a barrier with heritage??
Radiant
Radiant gives you Anti-Barrier.
Being radiant applies antibarrier now
Radiant gives you anti barrier
Ok sheesh thanks y’all, thought I was tripping and just didn’t see the teammate assist
Damn so the adept looks the same as normal and no extra perks?
Pretty disappointed with the difficulty, especially since that tweet where they were like "if you're disappointed with contest, wait for master 😈"
Like bruh it's easier
Jokes aside, where he get that Shotgun tho! it looks amazing, is it from the raid? I haven't ran yet ^.^;;
Conditional Finality
Raid exotic
@@adrianpickel1482 ah, figures lol. Guess I better go lfg or join a discord
What primary is he using?
Go Team Brenda!
5 manning this isn't nearly as impressive as playing 6 but one guy is AFK
Jello?
This attitude is so draining to someone who doesn't have the time to keep up with the grind. Things can be effortless for well-equipped, well-optimized teams without being easy for most people.
Any optimization and actual preparation (being the appropriate level) makes the game as a whole easier. But when mron's difficulty pales in comparison to the legend Avalon, there is a problem
If you do the best exotic armor pieces in the game first then do the lesser known or used armor later, the views will be solid imo
Skolas looks a little wierd here
How is he stunning barrier champs with a shotgun??
raid exotic can freeze and ignite
Having radiant gives your weapons anti-barrier
There’s an aspect that is “when you hit a charged melee, become radiant for x seconds” and being radiant grants anti barrier, so when he bonks something with his hammer, all his weapons, shotgun included, become anti-barrier for the duration.