Ik it’s kind of a meme at this point, but Datto is honestly one of if not the most relatable and level headed content creators the community has and it’s so refreshing to hear him speak on topics like this
It is so refreshing to see big content creators like Datto shed light on lesser-known creators like Elitist Datto. Truly the mark of a united community
I think a good way to get more people to run Master raids other than trying to get a title would be raid specific mementos. A Taken Memento for King's Fall would be a sick and a Memento that glows like Rhulk's glaive in VoTD would be cool.
Or better yet. Make the Age of triumphs armor only available in Master raids, and make such armor artifice. (Artifice armor should not just be a dungeon reward despite raids already having Adept weapons. It should be available for all master content that has specific armor drops.) This could be further exemplified by adding artifice armor in the form of strike specific loot back in to the game. For example, a GM can give you a high level artifice Arm piece that can only be found within that strike. The tradeout for such loot is that maybe Bungie does not make so many weapons this season, and uses old weapons that have been in the game such as the Multimach to refurbish the activity loot pools.
@@barstool9156 If they put Artifice armor into other locations there's no reason to run master Dungeons and interaction with those activities will go down majorly. The enhancement system coming to adept weapons is a step in the right direction but Master raids could also just have absurdly high base stat roll armor rather than artifice
As far as Gambit goes I’m happy with its current state and I play it often. My only complaint is that we only have like 4 maps and it’s been that way for a while. I just want them to make new maps or bring back some of the old ones.
This! Gambit is actually pretty good (Especially with some friends), but having to play the same 4 maps over and over again is getting tiring. At least give me back the Tangled Shore map with those launcher cannons so I can invade and do a rocket/super fly by... That shit was fun as hell. It's a damn shame how this mode is treated especially since it's one of the CORE PLAYLISTS.
Bungie seems to greatly underestimate just how much adding 1 or 2 maps to crucible or gambit does for fatigue. There are literally 2 maps that have already existed and been designed but they just choose not to add them back to Gambit. Like bro there's a Gambit map on Titan. Planet/lore continuity is not the issue here lol
@@YaBoiLuuuke The Tangled Shore one sucked and everyone knows it. Insta-kill pits that a poorly-timed jump or a Taken Ogre blast would easily push you into is NOT fun.
At 5:15, i read it as you need to get 200k in total over multiple runs, so 2 runs at 100k will get you the pinnacle, and 4 runs at 50k will etc. instead of requiring 100k in one run. This will mean they add up the score you get over multiple nightfall runs and one you get a cumulative score of 200k, you will get the pinnacle to drop
I betting it's there so that solo players who can't matchmake into levels above Hero can actually get the weekly Nightfall pinnacle, even if it takes a few runs to do it. There are some Nightfalls where you can kill every enemy on the map and still end up 15k points short if you're just doing Hero runs.
This is absolutely the precursor to the removal of power in Destiny. By the final shape we will not have a power grind anymore. Perhaps there will be artifact power but that will be it. In the end this is a blessing. I hate spending the first two to three weeks of every season grinding out garbage I don't want to do just to get to the point where I can start doing the stuff I want to do.
@@alphern The Final Shape isn't the end of D2. It's jus the end of the Light and Dark saga. Bungie has made it clear that Destiny will still continue beyond the Final Shape.
@@M0M0Games and to further reiterate on this point, they have made it abundantly clear that there will be no Destiny 3 for the foreseeable future. Destiny 2 will be continuing past The Final Shape with new seasons and new expansions. You don't update the game with loadouts, lfg and guardian ranks fir only 2 more years of content.
@@alphern you are funny but the game is not going to end with lightfall or the final shape infact they said they did not want to make destiny 3 they want to work on d2 and keep making new things for it instead of starting over. So removing power is not pointless and the game is not even close to being at the end of it's life cycle so please shut up and go play something else if you are unhappy
power level should never existed it should been level only and keep power score on gear and light level pvp and have artifact bump up total power level
I have no problem with difficulty. I have a problem with more and more mechanics pushing us into specific subclasses and weapons, especially with their "renewed focus on buildcrafting".
Yeah not everybody wants heavy mechanics in everything, difficulty is more challenging enemies to me with different abilities/weapons/different phases not just stomp you to oblivion....
My problem, is that now, with a build specifically tailored to being the tankiest I've ever had, I can't peek a corner, with full overshield, 100 resilience, and max armor against the damage type of a single champion, because I die before the number of frames required to step back into cover. EDIT: this is referring to legend proving grounds, with a solar threat
@@Suigeneris999 I mean, yeah, it’s a shooter. Enemy number and health is the primary way in which encounters scale in this kind of game. Not really sure what you’re expecting, but this isn’t a puzzle game at its core.
@@TheHeadincharge bigger nealth bars isnt normally a good way to increase difficulty. better ai is a different way to do it, not making the player get one shot, thats called 'artificial difficulty'
I think people want a heroic strike playlist. One where we don’t have to worry about champs but also still have rotating strikes. Farming nightfalls is boring because it’s the same strike over and over again. Basically a pve rotator we can throw ourselves into and be challenged but run diverse builds and not be bored by having the same strike over and over again.
@Brownmangaming we had that before. In fact it's all we had after they deprecated the normal Strike playlist back when Shadowkeep came out because no one played it at all. Then they dropped the Heroic part of the name and it was just called Strike playlist and eventually it became what it's known now as Vanguard Ops and that's because Battlegrounds were added to them so the old name didn't make sense anymore. It's difficulty hasn't changed since Shadowkeep. It's no wonder they are updating it because at its core it's still the Heroic Strike playlist so they want it's difficulty back because we power crept past it
@@sephiroth068 It's funny how people forget that so much of what they're asking for was in the game. Only to be removed because none of them were playing it.
@@RJLiams More variety is good and I sincerely doubt it would hurt them to keep a playlist in the game. Removing content is bad no matter how you look at it.
@@sephiroth068 You're missing the point entirely. The "heroic" difficulty exists in the game, but you can ONLY play the weekly nightfall strike at that difficulty. The current playlist is not relevant to heroic difficulty at all.
i was the “throw on garbage bags and a random gun” type player for all of my almost 9 years of playing this game and i seemed to burn out pretty fast after new seasons. at the beginning of this season though i watched some build guides and it’s like i picked up a completely new game. i started caring about armor stats, fragments and warlock was my least favorite class and now it’s almost become my favorite with the starfire build. thanks Datto for helping me learn to fall in love with this game all over again
For me, sentiment like this is exactly why I still don't, and won't ever embrace buildcrafting. I think its something that should have never been introduced into the game, and now that it has, it's one of the contributing factors to the unbalanced nature of the game. Would i enjoy the game more if i learned about it? Probably. But i'm still not going to touch it out of principal.
@@mikeisgettinupset So the game having actual depth is a bad thing? So you actually think that nothing you equip should matter and that would be a better game. Build crafting is a good thing in a game like destiny because it means players can be more creative and find new ways to enjoy the game EXACTLY like the op mentioned doing. If you don’t want to engage in a fundamental part of the game out of principle that’s on you.
Okay Datto I'll agree to getting better at the game if you agree to get a real job balance that between living in reality and doing UA-cam videos. Then going outside in the sunlight for at least 10 minutes touching grass with your bare feet without bursting into flames.
They have went too far. Why is a Hero Nightfall as hard as a Master was last year and the rewards are terrible. At least increase the chance to get a nightfall weapon. By a lot. The way it is now I just want the new weapon drop and then just focus it
I really want to see Bungie implement more "fun" modifiers within trivial activities. How great would it be to launch into vanguard ops, you get Warden of Nothing and see "Rush Hour" show up in the modifier list at random. You get to the train sections and twice, even three times the amount of trains are flying by. What if the strike was reversed? What if the boss split into two at half HP? I love seeing Bungie making trivial activities more involved/harder, but I want to see them get a little creative & fun with it, especially with the trivial activities.
This, make it fun, make it stupid. Maybe have an "Action Sack" (for the Halo fans out there) style playlist for strikes/etc where it's all dumb stuff like that and just let the developers come up with random modifiers or maybe get the community involved and have competitions for themed ideas, stuff like that.
@@Humble_halo70x7 problem is a) it was not "trivial contest" but only in GMs if i remember correctly and b) they didnt even worked right because they just clipped through the floor and became basically invisible insta kill enemies which kinda sucked but other than that it was a very funny idea tbh
Absolutely agree with this one, I get the difficulty increase, but Bungie seems to be missing that a challenge is not the only way to increase engagement. I'd love to see more options that fundamentally mix up gameplay in ways other than stuff like Blackout that just take away features/options or things like these Surges that just highly emphasize using specifically chosen elements or weapon types.
The main issue I see with incentivizing these certain weapons/sub-classes/builds is that it will cause a lot of gatekeeping in LFG posts. I would love to agree with Datto and say "Just use whatever you like!" but, more often than not, those of us without friends who have to LFG will find themselves forced to conform in order to appease the "GM Ultra Speed-run Farm Must-Have-Black-Hammer" Lords who want to min-max every activity under the sun.
I have LFG'd plenty and never had an issue finding a GM I can just join. Having more options than we have now for a Surge/Burn bonus is not going to make it harder for us to find groups. We literally have *more* options
Be the change you wanna see and start your own LFG fire team and find people. I’ve seen people complain about this since the beginning of time and being mad over posts of people asking for certain things or KWTD. I’ve never had an issue avoiding groups like this by just making my own posts on lfg if there’s no good chill options to join
Also he didn't mention this but Bungie said that enemies in Nightfalls will be stronger than normal to counter surge's basically they add surges then buff enemies so that you HAVE to use them. Also if you don't use the same subclass as the surge you're kinetic is weaker as well.
i have also been worried about this. LFG gets more and more insane with prerequisites and it always bothered me. But with a in game LFG coming soon, I Hope we found a bypass around this. But I can see it now, all the 'you need this build' or 'this weapon' posts surging. It already scares people away from endgame content and people who just want to have fun, end game is endgame, but its also meant to be fun. I am all for making the game harder, just hoping it does not become to restrictive. Though with the new systems it may work out just fine.
With Loadouts coming along too, we can essentially have a build for each element at the click of a button so no matter what element burn there is for the week one could have a build for it
I don't think the issue is about whether we CAN build for different things, but rather, do people WANT to build for all manner different things. Once you play this game for a bit you get to know what you do and don't like. Destiny has a sandbox with lots of options, it feels like Bungie just gets to arbitrarily remove a bunch of those options so you are no longer playing Destiny how you enjoy to play Destiny, you are at the mercy of whatever Bungie picks for you. That doesn't feel good for many people. Changing things up is a choice a player can do voluntarily whenever they wish, but through these systems, Bungie takes that player agency away. Me personally, I know how I enjoy destiny, I have specific weapons that I have put the time in to acquire because they are my favorite weapons. I don't particularly like it when I am basically, strongly dissuaded from using them or totally forced not to use them.
@@xOneShotOneKillx1 one thing I don’t like is switching all my mods and armor affinities for a different build or subclass, they fixed both by removing affinities and adding loadouts.
@@xOneShotOneKillx1how do they take player agency away by boosting damage on certain weapons/damage types… you could make the bad argument about champions but this is just silly. You don’t like doing the same shit over and over for years on end. That’s basic human psychology.. The meta is always solved for a season within a few weeks. Now it will be solved for a year instead of 3 months
@@xOneShotOneKillx1 I mean you can still use whatever you want you don’t have to change things up …… you will just be doing less damage. So basically play the game however you want.
Up until they announced the Artifice Armor being good, my armor set was literally the 65+ pieces from previous season passes. A handful of them were even 67/68 rolled. Absolutely spot on about Master content giving 62+, its just not worth doing it for.
Yet the community always skips/cheeses/abuses/etc mechanics because they are too lazy or inept to do them. Templar and Gatekeeper being perfect examples.
@@punishedchad8733 Says more about the mechanics than the players. Most people weren't trying to cheese Leviathan and their raids lairs, and D1 raids weren't being cheesed all that much either.
@ThePapaVulture because they couldn't be abused that much. Gatekeeper is definition of an encounter that isn't very hard yet ppl cheese it because they refuse to actually do it right.
I enjoyed Legendary Witch Queen on launch so I hope things do genuinely get a bit more challenging, comparable to the enemy density and level decreases of this season, I actually liked the heists this season due to Bungie's supposed "Power Dial" being cranked up aside from the gameplay loop being repetitive to grind for the lewt (the level ups made the grind less tedious though)
honestly, it's their only bid to save the franchise barring they balance PvP. But Bungie doesn't care about/is horrible at balancing PvP so yeah this is kinda their bid for continued relevance.
@@GummyMelatoninGibson What that other person said. You're acting like Bungie doesn't care. It's that balancing is incredibly difficult and only becomes moreso as new abilities/weapons are added. Everyone says Destiny crucible was the best because it was literally brand new. There wasn't the mass amount of things to balance as there is now .
Don't forget that they added Anti-champion abilities to Subclass verbs, which means even in a GM you have a lot more freedom to use the build you want and let abilities cover some of the anti-champion capabilities you may lack.
I feel like a lot of people losing their shit at the moment seem to have forgotten this, we're no longer going need to bring specific weapons to stun champions. Hell, we've already worked out that Chill Clip weapons, of which there are already quite a few, are going to be able to stun both Overload AND Unstoppable champions.
Very excited for this change in particular. I felt the anti champion mod system to be too restrictive and I can't wait to have more freedom to create cool anti champion builds
ive said it before, if they make it too frustrating to play, people wont play. im a hard core so i dont have a problem with it, but i have friends who just struggle with normal content... and if they make it too hard they might just stop playing.
@@Honed- but they aren't making it too hard. They are making it "Heist Ballegrounds hard" which is just still super easy with any simple build. The game just became mindless of how easy it was and there was no reason to use a proper build for anything besides Masters, GMs ans Legendary campaign. Everything died too fast and I never had to pay attention to anything I was doing, it was just "auto-mode" playing. By making things a liiiiiitle harder, we'll finally have an incentive to be creative with builds and be rewarded by engaging with them.
@@eduardohenriquecarneiroalv6343 Hopefuly. I’ve almost never interacted with the buildcrafting system at all, and that’s really saying something since I’ve been playing for a long time.
you are right on the difficulty for me as a hardcore player, but this just makes me think about my mom who plays, she has trouble with seasonal stuff, can't imagine how it will be after this change then again, i need to teach her buildcrafting still, just reminded me that she still doesn't know simple things...
As a primarily solo player the only thing I'd like is match making in some of the higher tier things. I know there are discords and such for finding groups but Legendary difficult should be matchmaking capable when some people are able to just solo it we should be able to matchmake into it.
@@maxreyes3097 legend isn't the hardest difficulty and people are already easily soloing legend difficulty. Master and grand master can stay fire team but no reason you can put into legendary
I think they could make several levels of difficulty BUT please have an easier level for each activity (except Raids and Dungeons) for us casual and OLDER players like me. I've been playing Destiny since day 1 and now being 70 years old I am concerned I will be squeezed out. I already avoid Raids and Dungeons as it is but I still LOVE playing this game. Thanks for listening.
What activities are you talking about? Strikes? You don't have to worry about activities like that. They're getting a bit harder but it's still gonna be easy. They just don't want people to just roll through them without having to worry about anything. Right now it's so boring because it's honestly hard to die in strikes
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@@chickenwar1 Seasonal activities can be challenging especially with strangers. I will see what changes are made come Tuesday. I can't wait for Light Fall and hopefully, the campaign will be great. It's really my issue because my eyesight and reflexes are not like they used to be. LOL! I will play D2 until I can't anymore.
The problem I have with the difficulty increase personally is that it's more ostracizing to newer players. Destiny already has difficult content, that being Legends, Masters, GMs, Raids, Dungeons, etc. With the single exception of maybe the Vanguard Playlist, a lack of difficulty has never really been an issue for Destiny because if you wanted harder content, it was already there waiting for you. Increasing the difficulty from the bottom up like this however is only going to push people away, especially if there's no added incentive to playing the harder content. This is why the "your job has been paying you more for years and is only now asking you to do more work" analogy doesn't work because sure, while you might think that logically makes sense, that's not what most people are going to see it as. Most people see it as your boss asking you to do more work without extra pay. Beyond that actually very massive issue, I actually like the idea of an increase in difficult, personally. While Destiny is already effectively a full-time job in it's own right due to how grindy many of the challenges can be, I would like it if the difficulty in Strikes was bumped up a good amount (even if it kills my Arc Hunter Melee build). I'm not sure whether I agree or disagree with your opinion on loot balance changes to Vanguard Playlist, but I did find it lacking either way. Yes, the Vanguard Playlist is too simple to be the primary source of high-end loot, but at the same time I think a lot of the frustration comes from the fact that there's several dozen different challenges that task you with playing Strikes over and over and over again with very little reward. I think a lot of the opinions in this video stem from the mindset that the grind is simply about getting loot and god rolls, but ignores the fact that a lot of people are just trying to complete the actual challenges and achievements that Bungie has laid out for us, but we don't want it to feel like a pointless venture. I personally don't play Destiny to collect god rolls on every weapon, I just want to complete as many challenges as I can and hopefully one day earn one of those title things. I don't think playing the game that way should be any more or less valid than playing the game to be the best ever. A side-note to this is that I find it kind of funny that he thinks Lost Sectors and Dares should have better loot, but not the Vanguard Playlist. Doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, but whatever.
Thanks Datto, old guy here who wants to learn but just got crushed by better players when I messed up. Thanks for trying to help people out by putting help videos out. God bless you and hope to see your videos on better setups soon.
I agree as well. Senior citizen here who has been playing Destiny/D2 since 2016. Love the game but found it hard to keep up with the younger players. My skills are better now, and I see these changes as a positive for me. I might have a better chance on some of the solo runs.
Y'all should check out the UA-camr plunderthatbooty he does easy to digest endgame viable build videos for all classes. Should get you a headstart on engaging the systems, even though they are changing soon.
For all of y’all who are looking into making a build, a good starting point is to figure out what you want to do first before finding stuff to support it. For example, if you like melees, then Monte Carlo plus another melee exotic would be a good start. Just remember, there’s nothing wrong with making mistakes, if a build doesn’t work out the way you imagine it you can always adjust it later with no loss to yourself. Just remember the most important thing is to have fun!
The D2 community is very unforgiving to players who make mistakes, and it's getting harder to find sherpas to learn end game with. D2 is at its finest when you are playing endgame content with a team that just flows, where everything is on a fine razor edge and even a single death is the difference between succeeding an encounter or wiping. And if you've read this far, consider sherpa-ing a random through a dungeon. Maybe remember back to your days of first raiding, and your Fireteam being cool with you causing a wipe 3 times in a row cos you were learning and made a mistake.
I agree with your takes on difficulty and surges. Locking power level below target is something I've wanted for a while to standardize the difficulty of an encounter and stop demanding as much mindless artifact farming over the season. One of the few gripes I have about this is that Legend difficulty is going to feel somewhat pointless at just -5 relative to Master content, and should probably be capped a bit lower for accessibility's sake. Surges and overcharges are just completely unnecessary and my main problem with them is that they're completely passive bonuses. Overpowered artifact mods have enforced DPS metas in the past, but they had activation conditions and mod demands that made them feel like you were opting into a bonus. Conversely, just getting 25% damage for free is so consistent and universal that it instead feels like you're getting punished for not conforming. It just feels like it goes against all of the other buildcrafting and QOL stuff they've announced leading up to Lightfall. Hopefully this ends up significantly tuned down or reworked before too long, though Bungie's history suggests otherwise.
They brought up enemy health to compensate for the surges/overcharge, meaning that it’s not a reward for playing into it, it’s an active punishment for not conforming.
I see what you mean with the bonuses vs. the artifact mods, but I don't think they're the same. Artifact mods worked everywhere, literally no activity was safe from the pressure of using something as insane as classy restoration. Losing a bit of damage feels bad, but it'll only affect a portion of activities.
@@Cry42 how much did they bring up health and stagger thresholds? Oh wait what's that? You don't know? You actually have no idea? You're overreacting to something that's not in the game yet?
Somethings definitely did not need difficulty increases though. And somethings definitely did need increased rewards. Like Dares. Let that stay fun. Lost Sectors... just drop something that allow us to pick the exotic we wanna farm already.
I personally wish skeleton keys would come back only because i loved the boss themed armor, i had the ogre gauntlets and fallen cloak on at all times and i looked like an idiot but it was beautiful
Maybe the keys could be a reward at the end of Legend and up Nightfalls, being that you get a 100% chance drop from a GM. These keys can then be spent at the end of the Nightfall for a chance to get an Artifice armor piece specific to the strike, and another guaranteed adept (in GMs) drop for the weekly Nightfall. You can farm Keys, up until you have 10, and you can cash them all in at the end of the nightfall. Chances of getting the Artifice piece increases the harder the nightfall. Hero and Adept nightfalls dont have a chest or key drop.
i can already tell you lost sectors are now just going to be worse. They havnt had their drop rates adjusted. but have been made more difficult. So they will take longer to complete for still no reward most runs. They need to bring master lost sector loot drops in line with GM nmightfalls. Like guaranteed drop per run.
nothing better than running 8 lost sectors and just getting glimmer from the chests back to back..... because getting no loot when completing a mission in a looter shooter makes sense, right bungie?
I just want to be able to solo strikes at the same difficulty they are when you have a fireteam. I’m relatively new and just want to try soloing something simpler before I try moving up to a dungeon
@@markmurex6559 it was possible on console, not sure if patched; however if you set your time and date quite far back then you'd load in solo. For PC though, I'm not sure
I think the massive 50 PL jump between Hero and Legend (1765 to 1815 effective PL) was a mistake. The -15 PL in Legend is fine, that level of difficulty works (though a reward increase to compensate would be nice). But requiring people to hit 5 over Pinnacle cap just to run the most basic level of non-matchmade PvE content is a bit ridiculous. Setting Legend to be at, say 1815, with an effective max PL of 1800 would be much better. The difficulty doesn't change, but it lets people slowly transition into the harder difficulties of the game as they hit the powerful cap, and makes Legend a more accessible difficulty earlier in the season.
dont get me wrong. i love gmnfs theyre fun, and im totally fine with power being capped at 25 under but im not a fan of power being capped for *all* difficulties. what the fuck are we even grinding light level for at that point? why does it matter if i cant roll into a master nf and clap its cheeks because im 15-20 over. if theyre going to cap power for all activities then they should also just do away with the power grind.
With the increased difficulty hoping strand is going to be end game viable off the bat. Really hope woven mail and sever numbers are good. Id love to main strand hunter in master or even gms
Look, I totally understand and have no problem with adding more difficult content to the players who want it, but I really don't see a point in *taking away* easier/more accessible difficulty options for people who aren't top tier players. I've been playing OG Destiny since day 1. I follow the build guides, I understand the mechanics, but my reflexes, and my vision just simply wont ever allow me to get to a place where I'm going to be doing GM nightfalls or Solo Flawless *anything.* And that has been just fine for me. But these difficulty changes do make me VERY nervous. I've given several hundreds of my dollars and hours of my life to bungie and I'm worried that more content that I HAVE PAID FOR will be locked behind ridiculous skill walls that I will never physically be able to achieve. But I'm not here to just cry about it; the solution for me is simple... stop giving Bungie my money. If TAKING AWAY accessible content is really what this toxic, slobbering community is begging for, let them have it.
@@pepsi9209 are you saying that's what I was implying? I don't understand, I literally said I don't see a point in them taking away content that's already there?
I think in regards to Skeleton Keys, I don't want that to return, but I would prefer to see Strike-Specfic ornaments to be considered. It could be cool to get an ornament for your armor or weapons, maybe in Nightfalls as a drop. It could be a nice reward alongside our current nightfall weapons.
Would be nice for the old Strike, Crucible and Iron Banner ornaments to come back. I have a few of them from vanilla but due to school I never got to get the others.
I would love to get gear that corresponds to the strike itself. If dungeons and raids can do it, I don’t see why Nightfalls and strikes aren’t allowed this predicament.
@Landon Moser Titans got that Warlocks got a helmet based on Saber 2 and Harpy based gauntlets. Hunters got gauntlets based on Phogoth (iirc) they had Hive runes and chains. There was the Psion Flayers and Taniks cloaks.
yeah imo, strikes should get an armor piece associated with them (like d1), and the nightfall version of that strike should have a specific weapon (+ adept) associated with it. then let us launch both strikes and nightfalls whenever we want for that strike/nightfall-specific loot (only the weekly nightfall would give other loot, like ciphers, ascendant shards, prisms, pinnacles, exotic armor, etc)
Irl if you’re hunting bear you take a gun that can kill a bear. This new difficulty feels like fighting bears with bb-guns. It’s ridiculous to have to shoot something 1000 times. I’d rather shoot 1000 vex once than to sit and shoot a few enemies for a half an hour without getting killed. That’s not challenging it’s just fucking boring and stupid.
I think also, some people (such as myself), sort of just have to accept that Bungie, and Destiny players, want the game to go in a direction that isn't for you. I like Destiny for exploring all the pretty maps, seeing all the cool areas in places like missions, strikes and raids, and playing through the story/learning the lore of the game. I can't really sit down and grind, I have a disability that prevents me from sitting at my computer for too long, so I usually try to take it slow. I understand that a lot of Destiny players aren't like that, and aren't interested as much in the same things I am. They want to grind and improve and play as efficiently as possible. It makes sense that Bungie also wants to cater to that type of player, because they're the ones who put in the most hours on the game. It does make me nervous that it'll be harder for me, or players like me, to be able to enjoy the things about Destiny that don't include buildcrafting, or optimization. But maybe that's just how it is, and maybe I spend more time watching story recaps on UA-cam or other people doing the raid, and less time in game. They can't develop the game with everyone in mind, and maybe it's just up to me to understand that, just because I love Destiny's world and it's design, doesn't mean I'm entitled to being able to experience it myself. Developers can't always be thinking of everyone when they make changes that cater to specific playstyles like this, some players are bound to get left behind, and if that's what has to happen for the most present Destiny players to be happy, then so be it.
My issue isn't with the changes with surges or overcharges, or even the changes to Vanguard ops, though i do enjoy breezing through it on occasion, just as a fun no-brainer. my concern is with the other things, at legend and above. as a solo player, these things are already quite difficult for me, especially dungeons. and as the in-game lfg isn't coming till season 22 or 23, I am concerned that if some of the changes are too extreme, my only options will be beating my head against the wall till i rage-quit, lfg with strangers i dont want to talk to, or just not play most of the endgame. But we'll see, hopefully it won't be all that bad.
I agree with a lot of what you said, with a giant "BUT" - the expansion power grind is ready for sunset. To have to do a massive soft cap push (campaign?) and then a 50 point powerful grind when they just increased the amount of time required to complete the same old content to get back to the fun stuff is obnoxious. We play this for fun. It's not our jobs (most of us). All they did was make it more of a grind to get back to status quo for many veteran players. And then they wonder why we bounty hoard.... it's because a lot of that old shit is boring at this stage. But at least it's now going to take more time. Grind on guardians.
Bro you should have seen Forsaken expansion and Last Wish raid. Forsaken was top level expansions (3 studios worked on it) but oh boy, some design decisions were atrocious and could never fly away today. Anyway the top raiders/players power farmed prime engrams like crazy to be ready for the raid. And they still did a 20 hour run (Datto's team came 2nd for 2 min). IMO perhaps you can focus on 1 class only, and play the other 2 classes very sparingly if you have time, if you have energy and if the bounties on your first class are finished. Notice the many amounts of Ifs and place your sanity above all else.
Datto. Dude. Bungie did NOT do a complete gambit overhaul last year. They tweaked it. Like they have on some level the past few years. An overhaul requires the addition of new maps. Mechanics. Perhaps even new enemy skins (we’ve got several varieties of each race: why not rotate them). People don’t touch it because Bungie isn’t touched it in the ways people have been screaming about. Look: I know PVP is a much bigger draw and it took half a decade for Bungie to even tinker with that on a semi-legit level. So my expectations for gambit aren’t huge. But let’s not pretend what they did last year was anything other than the band aid on a corpse you referenced earlier (love that analogy BTW). Bungie CANNOT say “we tried everything with gambit.” It’s stale. And it’s stale because people are sick of the same 4 maps. We have fewer than when we started. People scream about the stale maps in crucible and there’s what? 20 of them?
Remember when completing the weekly Nightfall gave you a blue flaming head? I've always loved that kind of thing. I hope something similar makes its way back to the game for GMs or master raids/dungeons
I'm less concerned about increased difficulty and more about how much buildcrafting is gonna change and how we'll interact with orbs of light and the works. Will there be more sources for orbs or are they going to leave them as they are now where it can be a bit of a pain to get them to spawn outside of a singular mod type and supers.
They said in their buildcrafting blog post a few weeks ago that some of the mods that currently generate elemental wells will now generate orbs of power, though they didn’t specify which ones.
Yeah the difficulty in this game is non existent lol. The hardest thing to do in raids right now is to use Izanagi and a linear and hot swap for more damage.
@@KaeptnBolle Wells maybe, but orbs, that hard to believe. On my hunter I have a build that focuses on making orbs, but that build only works on hunter. None of the 11 builds i have for my lock works when it comes to massive orb creation. They need to bring back master worked weapons making orbs.
I hear what you're saying, but my rebuttal on the Vanguard Ops playlist and Gambit would be: • Bungie knows how boring non-Nightfall Strikes are, hence why the Vanguard Ops playlist is getting any changes at all. Ultimately it may still be the easiest content in the game, but Bungie is at least making an attempt to make that content less steamroll-y. So to your point about loot, I mean, this IS a LOOTer game, and I'm sorry but I want loot in my LOOTer game. Not feeling rewarding enough has been an issue with Destiny since its inception. • If Bungie is giving up on Gambit due to not wanting to waste anymore resources, then why in the hell are Quests, and the general game STILL telling players to play Gambit? We just want to hear Bungie at least say they give up. But instead they continue to stay silent all the while the game STILL pushes players to play Gambit.
You lost me at the people "Should be watching guides" part. Regular people don't do that. Only the super invested that are on social media. Literal statistics back this up. Regular players, average players expect the game to teach them how to play the game. If it doesn't then they just quit playing the game and move on to another one that does. And Bungie is fully aware of this. Which is why they're putting loadouts in the game and why they're putting the looking for group finder in the game and other basic quality of life adjustments. They spent a lot of money and time doing what they've resisted doing for years. Ask yourself why. I would hazard that exit surveys, the lack of player use by population percentage of the app group finder, and churn forced their hand. Remember like you said this is a video game not a job. People shouldn't have to study for a test to play a video game. And content creators aren't destiny game designers and they shouldn't be expected to function like one.
My problem isn't that the difficulty is a bad idea, it's that it doesn't solve the issue I think. Simply making enemies hit harder and for you to do less damage is exactly what GM's do and I don't think they're fun, the problem is that the enemies themselves are pathetically predictable with very simple rules that dictate how they interact with the world. For instance if they see you they will most likely stand still and shoot at you, occasionally they will move like 2 feet to the left but that doesn't really effect how you approach the encounter. If you get within a certain distance most enemies will simply stop shooting, walk towards you and melee. They will shoot around 2 or 3 shots then melee again. The simplicity of their AI means the most effective strategy is to just sit back and shoot from a distance until they die because they won't move. The only exceptions being Vex goblins/hobgoblins who will crouch to cover their crit points and enemies who have shields such as captains and wizards, who will retreat to cover until their shield regenerates back up. Some enemies have similar patterns such as acolytes or psions but most don't. It's part of the reason I'm not particularly excited about the shadow legion. Reskins of the Red legion who apparently can suppress your abilities somehow, which could be cool. But that's all that seems to be to them. The tormentor on the other hand is based on Rulk and as such is more complex, especially with the grab mechanic it's supposed to have. It will force you to approach the situation differently. This I feel is the perfect example of why I think this change to difficulty might be nice but isn't the solution. GM's will one-shot you, this is artificial difficulty. Allowing the enemies to interact more meaningfully with the battlefield to make you think is the only way to truely make the game more fun and challenging. At least in my opinion. (this isn't even touching champions of course 😂)
After beating the Witch Queen campaign on legend I went to the Throne World destination and was surprised of how weak regular enemies are. I want more challenge
it would be cool to see legend patrols come into the game were enemies are harder but bounties, roaming bosses, and heroic patrols have increased reward.
Yeah, new lights literally one shot body with their starting HC when they get it. Imagine if halo had lauched like that, magnum 1 shot body everything except elites which are 2-3 shot body, no difficulry options. No wonder so many people flood in expecting IGN difficulty all the way through.
@@exosus7451 they tested this with the leviathan patrol zone by locking your power level. This will be further iterated on Lightfall by making you always be slighlty below the power level of the patrol zone.
Okay, how about this: They should keep normal strikes without damage buffs because its just for fun. But for the higher difficulties they do use them. I also think it makes sense to have strand always as a buff for this season, but why are arc and stasis not given the buff for an entire season? Add stasis and arc pls to the weekly rotator as well! More variety.
The loot sucks so having to do more for it also sucks , sorry it’s true. Saying it’s not a job is true but neither is it supposed to be a struggle bus. It’s only the sweaty souls who judge their worth on game difficulty. Some don’t live the game , you do I get it, actually have a job and a life and then get back to me about it not feeling like a job. I get you gotta shill but come on. Being a streamer far removes you from a “ normal “ player. Your point of view is divorced from normal players. It’s cool you love it but some won’t and that’s cool as well.
7:55 This is so much so! It's also why I've decided not to do Lightfall. I'm so tired of being forced into a specific play style, weapon selection, etc just because Bungie. They select the one-and-only daily legendary lost sector. They select the champ mod weapons. I get it - it's a video game and they're the designer. But they choose *so* much that it sucks the fun out of it - for me.
I don't mind the idea in general but I feel like Destiny is a game where we should have playlist where we get to feel the bonkers power of our guardians and shouldn't need to struggle against small adds in the EDZ when we've killed several literal gods Its also a very bizzare decision to not let us overlevel for the basic ops playlist which is supposed to be the easiest thing to engage with, but we can overlevel for raids which are supposed to be the pinnacle of content
A cool change for lost sectors would be for all lost sectors be available for legend on discovery and the "daily" (rotates between destinations not within) lost sector unlocks master and gives double rewards (maybe x3 for masters?). To make it more focused have the exotics be split by year of release onto their respective planet (i.e. D2 year 1 exotics are on EDZ/Cosmodrome, year 2 exotics dreaming city etc.)
i think for any change to lost sectors to feel good they would have to increase rewards beyond just the exotics. the exotics are great but for every 1 you get there are anywhere from 2-10 runs where you get a bit of glimmer and a core. i think they should take your idea but also make it so if you dont get the exotic the chest drops better stuff like upgrade modules, prisms, ascendant alloys (on master).
I just don’t understand how Bungie thinks we’re not engaging with Vanguard Ops because it’s too easy. I’m not engaging with it because I get my pinnacle and then that’s it. With only one or two new things being added to the playlist a year, there’s nothing to engage with, new things make it feel “fresh”, not having to work slightly harder for a +1 item
There's people that dont engage with vanguard ops at all even for the pinnacle because its plain boring just insta deleting enemies. Especially with the rng of pinnacles, people dont even bother to boot up the playlist.
@@chachan6044 me having to fight slightly harder for the same dogshit rewards is gonna incentivize about as much as offering a quadriplegic person a free bicycle if he does well in judo.
@@NobleVI_343 1. They did mention there will be vanguard weapon focusing so that might be some loot worth playing for. 2. To be fair, other than maybe some weapons, to expect high tier loot from what is pretty much the beginner difficulty playlist does not make a lot of sense. If you want good loot, you have to play the harder content that is available.
@@chachan6044 you said it yourself, it's beginner tier, meaning a lot of the community won't be interacting with it after a while, which shouldn't be how it is, if you knew how skeleton keys used to work, you'd know it's possible to get people excited for strikes- also actual strike scoring, not the garbage they're pushing out.
@@NobleVI_343 i do know how skeleton keys work, i actually played through all of D1 as well. The problem is that the reward system from skeleton keys would have to work very differently considering all the reward sources we have now in D2. People would not love that yes, even though you get strike specific loot, you'll have people whining about red border drops, bad rolls on weapons and bas stat rolls on armor, and also when they get the specific gear they want, then they will again say 'there is nothing else to do now'. Making a playlist more engaging jn its gameplay instead of 'heres more loot' i feel is more important long term wise. I do agree in strike scoring tho, that would be fun especially with a leaderboard system.
You can't tell me people will stick around by making stuff harder and getting the same old loot we've been getting. That loot got old after a while and nobody will want to work harder for shit tier stuff.
so, i agree with you on most points. What i dont understand is why couldnt they just leave the base difficulty mode? reduce the loot for it or something. 1 reason for this would be for grinding out bounties not sure about anyone else but i already dont like having to do bounties in harder content just because most of them are forcing you to run "more" specific things in order to be optimal and that may not line up with modifiers already active so you would have to pick and choose. Which for you may be fine and thats fair just a reason i think it would be a good idea to keep a base level difficulty in the game that doesnt modify the power. I could also see these changes being brought in because they are clearly moving towards a "power level-less" destiny 2 which is also fine. there has not really been much of an incentive to grind out that power other than grandmasters but for most people and a little luck, you can get that by the time grandmasters launch with little to no effort anyways. ALSO GRANDMASTER GAMBINO WHEN lmfao
i’d have less of a problem with the surges if they’d rotate all the burns. I don’t mind strand being a static burn since it’s new but I feel bad for Arc and stasis users 😅
I think there should be an exotic wishlist after “mastering a lost sector” by that I mean getting a certain amount and points or time completing the master version or whatever it’s called in which you have a higher chance of getting those exotics but you must pick a minimum of 10 so it’s not a guaranteed chance to get exactly what you want since other stuff is also being raised but you’ll have a higher chance of getting an assortment of exotics you want just a way to make it less random
I think they should spit up the loot sources like lost sectors give lost sector stuff legendary campaign gives its exotics, raids/dungeons have there own, and random exotic engram drops have there own as well. this way when farming for exotics you have places to go rather than just farm lost sector for a chance.
Or just have a token system like Spoils of Conquest. Spend a bunch at the end of the lost sector to buy one of the exotics in rotation. Spend a bunch more in the tower to buy the specific one you want. Spend a bunch of bunches to unlock a new one. Spend even more bunches to buy the one you want with the high stat you want. Having the tokens drop after other legendary or master activities could ease the monotony of doing the same lost sectors again and again.
I think we should at least be given more sources of legendary shards. They’re used for everything now. Maybe add a chuck of them after doing so many vanguard ops / nightfalls?
we are getting so many more ways to spend them in lightfall but no way to earn more. It's weird that no one is talking about this, the focusing costs will make guardians go bankrupt...
What if gambit got an event like crucible has iron banner? Like if they brought back that separate game mode that people used to farm spare rations. And doing that gave rep boost for normal gambit like iron banner does for crucible
The increase in difficulty for the heist battlegrounds was a cool start so I'm looking forward to more like it. I had to stop for a second and think about what I was doing instead of just chucking a gunpowder bomb into the mob of enemies and running forward. I hope the Vanguard scoring change will actually prevent people from just running through Vanguard ops. It's so boring to just have to run after my teammates as they bypass 90% of the content because they can't be bothered to engage with it.
I do have to say, I'm very fond of the Ops playlist, like as a thing...I like the strikes and the stories behind them...they're like four persons in other mmos...so yeah there's times I want a little bit of specialized loot in them...not because they're harder (they wont be for me) but because I want them to be fun and rewarding and I genuinely enjoy them
My question is, what loot does datto think is dropping in vanguard ops? You get literally nothing except 1K glimmer and maybe a blue or world drop purple
I like nightfalls because you sometimes get funny boosts like faster ability regen or faster grenades so when you have a grenade build the nightfall suddenly becomes way more enjoyable since youre just vomiting out grenades
@@alvaroquintero620 ?? There’s literally no rewards. Yes I want more if you’re expected to grind it. It doesnt have to be exotics or something crazy, just any actual reward. You’re just repeating what he said.
@@catlas2849 All the vanguard exclusive weapons and armor plus materials is not enough for you? For a BEGINNERS level activity your not supposed to grind it
My main worry with all of this is LFG. I rely heavily on LFG for all end game PvE and lots of the time they start off good but slowly tilt into salt if even 1 thing bad happens. With all of the meta changes and overall (some deserved) nerfs to our guardian, I can only imagine this happening more. It’s makes me very nervous to find out if the next LFG I get into might be the last I ever bother joining before I drop the game.
@@JMD3M410 I’m using the DTG Reddit LFG and the Destiny2PC LFG. Both have the same results come raid night. If those 2 aren’t good there can’t be any better ones out there.
You start with the LFG games and build a friendslist of people that don't suck. You play with someone a couple times and then you invite them to your discord or get invited to theirs. Bingo bango bongo you got a fireteam that works for you.
THE PROBLEM IS THE REASON WE'RE SO POWERFUL IS CAUSE OF BUNGIES BALANCE HEAR ME OUT its not a problem but WHEN THEY MAKE US POWERFUL AND then they take it away it just feels bad and stupid it feels like im losing progression they made the game harder cause theyve powercrept the game an insane amount
But why not increase the difficulty in endgame and keep casual stuff casual for people who want to chill on some destiny and get loot from shooting bad guys... my entire response to this video is why not both... personally I'm pretty hardcore on destiny 2 but I'd still like some casual playlists mixed into the game to please both crowds... I completely understand the difficulty increase but newer players and noobs still need somewhere to go and have fun
I'm glad that they made master raids into essentially contest mode. Fantastic change. The only other thing that I would have found maybe acceptable would be keeping master raids as-is and making a hard raid (GM raid maybe) that has basically contest and better loot. But That just seems like too much Dev time for what is likely a small section of the community.
The only thing I'd like more would be the removal of the power grind as it exists today. I play ffxiv and do a lot of savage/ulti and one of my favorite parts about it is how accessible all of the content is, you can literally go buy a set of the most recent crafted gear off the market and boom, you can do all of the hardest content in the game excluding an on-patch ultimate (which is tuned for BiS of the patch prior to its release). I show up in D2 and I have to grind random bullshit just so I can get to the content that I actually want to do.
My biggest worry with Elemental Surges and Weapon Overcharging is that it's gonna be another new thing LFG servers are going to get toxic and picky over when it comes to getting groups together for GM's. It's bad enough when people get kicked for not throwing down Wells every possible second regardless of weather or not they're needed in those moments; now just add on the getting angry over not running the one weapon that get's Overcharged that week because the Champion stunning methods you're comfortable with don't match up or don't have a good enough roll on a Heavy Weapon that fits that specific bill for the week.
I'm not arguing that Bungie needs to increase the strike loot but you saying that the best gear should be locked behind the hardest content is wack, that would definitely make me stop playing the game. All the hardest content is shit like raids and GM's that have zero matchmaking, so as a solo player you basically want to remove any chance i have of earning good loot without needing to find 5 other people for a fireteam...
I agree with most of what you said, except for the skeleton keys: I didn't like the system because they brought out the BEST OF ALL TIME weapons, but because they were themed weapons that matched a strike. Yes, nightfall weapons exist, but NEITHER is their themeing very interesting (wheres my hive-styled weapons, or my Vex-ified Fatebringer?), NOR do they match the strikes... i just want that back
I took a break from D2 for the past 2 seasons becasue it has just been tiring to play this game with how much we just roll over everything. I felt many of these opinons that Datto shared in this video, especially with the overexaggeration from certain parts from the community about the game being harder. After reading about the changes, I'm very intersted in finally getting back into D2 to see how these changes play out.
Same I was burned out because game was just mindless grind with 0 difficulty like I was completing GM with 0 build. Now I'm coming back to see what gonna happen with this changes
I take breaks every year I only play the new expansion and it’s season attached to it and leave until next year, it’s too much repetitive grinding every season for me to waste my time on it
I think the reason people want the ops drop rates to go up is cause if your not running vanguard prosperity on your ghost it's can be a 50/50 drop rate sometimes like for me I'll do my pinnacle then do like 10 15 more ops sometimes just messing with builds n that and won't see another drop or I might see a drop ever 5-7 strikes and thats with slaying everything as I've just always been that sorta player ops definitely needs it's loot touched up a little bit even if its only to raise the chance of some of the older loot drops that I never see drop anymore unless its from a zavala engram but with everything else going in in strikes and difficulty it should make the game more fun (I personally can't speak on gms or raids never have enough players) but from being scared to do master lost sectors to making 1 void build and suddenly I'm thinking ahh this is easy and 2 maning and basically soloing legend nfs and was gonna try a master nf but didn't have enough people on to confidently try it but generally the games to easy vanguard ops getting harder will help most newlights get comfortable going into other content pushing to endgame content another thing to note I don't believe the base difficulty is going uo of dungeons or raids just the master difficulty
I just had a grand idea. For matchmaking on legend and master NFs and stuff, tie it to guardian ranks. If those ranks are meant to mean something on player capability, then we should give them a purpose other than social ladder height.
Hopefully LFG works off of something like that so you can specify only players with previous completions and a high enough guardian rank. If it works well, it could provide enough data that a stricter matchmaking system for endgame activities could work.
The push to use is the main reason i am done with this game. I played the campaign on 1 char and this is it... No more expansions. Enough is Enough. Kill x amount with pistols bounty. Kill x amount with bow pulse arc void grenade precision ETC BS. Make the grind harder for less. 5 strikes from 3. Only one difficulty of the legendary lost sector and lock behind it the new exotics. SOOO you want them. Well fu ck of if you are not a streamer playing 10 hours a day to get to the proper LIGHT LEVEL in order to do it. I want to play the way i wanna play on the difficulty i wanna play. I dont mind to play legendary lost sector on 1770 power and get way less chance and rewards from people going onto 1830. WHY am i forced to played this way. You get the new Strand subclass. WOW finally i have waited so long well guess what. YOU need to GRIND your ass off in order to get enough strand materials BS to buy your fragments. I hope the next game is better.
They should get rid of the grind for levels if these activities cap your power it defeats the purpose of all those hours, weeks grinding for pinnacles to get to the max and optimized your build. People grind and stuff so at the end you can run content and feel like a god doing it regardless of difficulty I like that my hard work over some weeks pays off well without getting frustrated by bullet sponge enemies 1 shot Mr beefy etc...
Calling last year's rework a "full revamp" is definitely a stretch but otherwise i agree with the sentiments. While I don't think seasonal content should be the source of the very best gear I do think it should give stuff good enough to work in mid/high-ish level content just so they can more easily access the more difficult content for better rewards
A lot of these changes are just kinda numbers, which is kinda hard to understand how things will feel. I’m just kinda waiting to see how these changes shape up I’m just concerned about the goofiness/fun factor in some activities. Hopefully GMs won’t become a massive slog, seeing as how I need to lfg as none of my friends want to touch that sort of content with a 10 foot pole
Ive lost respect for Datto over the past few years and watched his content religiously throughout D1 This video is a banger and says what we were all thinking. Thank you Datto. You truly are a voice for the elites.
Just sickening. I mean yeah you won you got my rage click. But geez. The amount of rage you have for people who play games causally is awful. Bless you for being able to do this as a job.
I think what people want with the skeleton keys are just cool unique loot. Like stolen will, grasp of malok you know weapons themed after our enemies. Could be cool rare drops in the playlist.
@alvaro quintero give us armor options too. Since unlike D1, we have transmog for armor, having trophies on any set we want is a great idea and arguing "hurr we have some now" is just
This hasn't worked out the way you hoped, at all. I have not been able to complete a single Nightfall with the same team I started with using matchmaking. Even just regular vanguard has people dipping out constantly. The average player is incredibly bad at the game. Any even moderately difficult mode is now unplayable unless you use LFG or have friends. I'm so sick of soloing fucking vanguard ops.
I really hope the score/difficulty changes mean I won’t be dropping into a strike where there’s a guy sprinting at Mach 12 like he’s got horse blinders on towards the end, and I have to try and catch up while working on bounties and hope I finish them before he teleports me so I don’t have to do another damn strike.
Agree with you on all points Datto but they need to remove the nerf on Vanguard Ops loot then. Used to get a weapon from the chest every single completion. Then sometime in Witch Queen that changed (probably when they introduced Vanguard focusing). Now I get a weapon every other strike or every 3 strikes....
17:40 this is my take: I appreciate the UA-camrs and reddit bloggers who share and come up with builds for us to use. I’m also the type of player that doesn’t want to always rely on other people to make builds for me. It feels so much more satisfying for me to think of a concept and build it on my own and see it work. I’m still working on a warlock cleric build but was able to make a great CQ Arc build in season 18.
After launch, and as a player from ttk era, I can say that this is pretty rough for a casual player entering the game for the first time. It feels like they want it to be sweaty if you're not modded up perfectly, and then doable with moderate effort if you are. Then on top of that, your power level becomes effectively meaningless once you reach the cap, which I think is master that caps you at 1820, but really any activity caps you. So what's really the incentive? The opportunity to do even harder activities without actually getting any more powerful?? Yeah, that feels pretty unrewarding, especially when there's still no powerful or pinnacle protection or guarantees. Doing 3 capped activities for an hour of my free time for a pinnacle that doesn't actually make me more powerful and then getting an item that doesn't even improve the slot anyway. Who thinks this is fun?? How on earth did anyone at Bungie see the universally positive feedback from season 9, where we could actually choose from the sundial, and go "....naaahhh" and never have anything like it again???
Here's my thought. I run a GM, because I know what I'm getting into, and there's a meaningful reward to match at the end. But now I won't run a Master, because the weapon won't be adept, and it's a lot harder for just exotics and a lower chance at shards. At just another -5 power handicap and some mildly inconvenient modifiers, I can run the same build in a GM and be rewarded far better. The reward structure will need to change to match as these are my considerations under the current rewards structure.
Two weeks later and people are having a tough time beating legend shit. Can't even run shit anymore because it's so difficult. Thanks for ruining the game for casuals, elitists.
@@DemonLordSparda that they are just underleveled. otherwise they would not get one-hitted. and yes, content that is supposed to be hard endgame content like legend nightfalls need reasonable builds now. and with these you won't get one-hit. you don't even get one-hit in grandmasters, and these activities are not harder than grandmasters were in the last seasons. edit: i played that stuff myself already, and i am very much not a good player regarding combat skills. i just have reasonable builds equipped, and with these it is not as easy as e.g. the vanguard ops playlist, but it is very much possible to do.
@@redstonepro5412 You know why people are under levelled? Because there’s a permanent -15 and -20 power modifier on legend and master content. Lost sectors are harder than the fucking raid on contest mode
@@rickybobby5153 wtf what? contest mode is -20 permanently too. and yes, master lost sectors, as any MASTER content, are supposed to be a difficult challenge in terms of combat. and no, master lost sectors when on the level cap are certainly not harder than the master raid was. that is just absolute bs.
Ik it’s kind of a meme at this point, but Datto is honestly one of if not the most relatable and level headed content creators the community has and it’s so refreshing to hear him speak on topics like this
And it always nice when he makes videos like this so he can tell me my opinion.
Lego Watto.... the truth doesn't care about you or dattos opinions!
Correct but he’s wrong in this one.
Wholesome 100
@@scottgoss7927 how is he wrong?
It is so refreshing to see big content creators like Datto shed light on lesser-known creators like Elitist Datto.
Truly the mark of a united community
Hey hey hey don't forget about Cosplay Datto. She has feelings too..
@@dattokackis8712 Into the Dattoverse
Gave me a chuckle; wp. Take my upvote.
@@trickyBasterd what, are you afraid of men in dresses?
@@haikarawalker6996 he isn't afraid he is nauseated by it. I'm grossed out by roaches not scared bug difference lol
Thanks for the shaming dad
That hits home
@@eranronen573 agreed
I can't tell if this is ironically angry, unironically grateful, ironically horny, or unironically horny
@@GiffyMcgee all of the above
@@GiffyMcgee more on the horny side for me
I think a good way to get more people to run Master raids other than trying to get a title would be raid specific mementos. A Taken Memento for King's Fall would be a sick and a Memento that glows like Rhulk's glaive in VoTD would be cool.
Wow. Excellent idea.
That's actually one of THE BEST ideas anyone ever came up with
actually a super good idea, would make it feel like the raid shaders in D1 in terms of desire
Or better yet. Make the Age of triumphs armor only available in Master raids, and make such armor artifice. (Artifice armor should not just be a dungeon reward despite raids already having Adept weapons. It should be available for all master content that has specific armor drops.)
This could be further exemplified by adding artifice armor in the form of strike specific loot back in to the game. For example, a GM can give you a high level artifice Arm piece that can only be found within that strike. The tradeout for such loot is that maybe Bungie does not make so many weapons this season, and uses old weapons that have been in the game such as the Multimach to refurbish the activity loot pools.
@@barstool9156 If they put Artifice armor into other locations there's no reason to run master Dungeons and interaction with those activities will go down majorly. The enhancement system coming to adept weapons is a step in the right direction but Master raids could also just have absurdly high base stat roll armor rather than artifice
As far as Gambit goes I’m happy with its current state and I play it often. My only complaint is that we only have like 4 maps and it’s been that way for a while. I just want them to make new maps or bring back some of the old ones.
This! Gambit is actually pretty good (Especially with some friends), but having to play the same 4 maps over and over again is getting tiring. At least give me back the Tangled Shore map with those launcher cannons so I can invade and do a rocket/super fly by... That shit was fun as hell. It's a damn shame how this mode is treated especially since it's one of the CORE PLAYLISTS.
Bungie seems to greatly underestimate just how much adding 1 or 2 maps to crucible or gambit does for fatigue. There are literally 2 maps that have already existed and been designed but they just choose not to add them back to Gambit. Like bro there's a Gambit map on Titan. Planet/lore continuity is not the issue here lol
It could be way better. It used to be.
@@YaBoiLuuuke The Tangled Shore one sucked and everyone knows it. Insta-kill pits that a poorly-timed jump or a Taken Ogre blast would easily push you into is NOT fun.
@@Kuronii01 ah damn… right. If YOU say so… Guess I didn’t have fun back then… My B.
Since elitist datto is so prominent we need another datto, like super casual, father of 9 datto.
Datto, daddy of 9 doesn't come out alot because he only has 5 minutes a decade to play destiny
Would that be Daddo?
That datto only has time to run one dares of eternity a month before he tucks the kids into bed 😭
and this datto was a try hard halo player
Howabout the Datto that touches grass?
At 5:15, i read it as you need to get 200k in total over multiple runs, so 2 runs at 100k will get you the pinnacle, and 4 runs at 50k will etc. instead of requiring 100k in one run. This will mean they add up the score you get over multiple nightfall runs and one you get a cumulative score of 200k, you will get the pinnacle to drop
Thats how I read it as well
There is already a ada 1 bounty with the same wording and it works like you said so you're probably right.
That's exactly correct.
Yes it isn’t that complicated
I betting it's there so that solo players who can't matchmake into levels above Hero can actually get the weekly Nightfall pinnacle, even if it takes a few runs to do it. There are some Nightfalls where you can kill every enemy on the map and still end up 15k points short if you're just doing Hero runs.
This is absolutely the precursor to the removal of power in Destiny. By the final shape we will not have a power grind anymore. Perhaps there will be artifact power but that will be it. In the end this is a blessing. I hate spending the first two to three weeks of every season grinding out garbage I don't want to do just to get to the point where I can start doing the stuff I want to do.
Removing power at the end of the games life cycle.. that is so pointless lol
@@alphern The Final Shape isn't the end of D2. It's jus the end of the Light and Dark saga. Bungie has made it clear that Destiny will still continue beyond the Final Shape.
@@M0M0Games and to further reiterate on this point, they have made it abundantly clear that there will be no Destiny 3 for the foreseeable future. Destiny 2 will be continuing past The Final Shape with new seasons and new expansions. You don't update the game with loadouts, lfg and guardian ranks fir only 2 more years of content.
@@alphern you are funny but the game is not going to end with lightfall or the final shape infact they said they did not want to make destiny 3 they want to work on d2 and keep making new things for it instead of starting over. So removing power is not pointless and the game is not even close to being at the end of it's life cycle so please shut up and go play something else if you are unhappy
power level should never existed it should been level only and keep power score on gear and light level pvp and have artifact bump up total power level
I have no problem with difficulty. I have a problem with more and more mechanics pushing us into specific subclasses and weapons, especially with their "renewed focus on buildcrafting".
Yeah not everybody wants heavy mechanics in everything, difficulty is more challenging enemies to me with different abilities/weapons/different phases not just stomp you to oblivion....
That's what Salt doesn't understand about Well. Well isn't the problem, poor game design is. All he does is encourage it.
My problem, is that now, with a build specifically tailored to being the tankiest I've ever had, I can't peek a corner, with full overshield, 100 resilience, and max armor against the damage type of a single champion, because I die before the number of frames required to step back into cover.
EDIT: this is referring to legend proving grounds, with a solar threat
I agree so hard with the whole "pushing us into using certain things is not needed" take, it's why champions were, and now less so, hated.
I still hate champions. Bungie finally put Lucent Hive in the game, but not difficult enough, and only in a few places.
Champions are still hated. Bungie’s form of hard is making your character extremely weak with 20 champions in every corner.
@@Suigeneris999 I mean, yeah, it’s a shooter. Enemy number and health is the primary way in which encounters scale in this kind of game. Not really sure what you’re expecting, but this isn’t a puzzle game at its core.
@@TheHeadincharge bigger nealth bars isnt normally a good way to increase difficulty. better ai is a different way to do it, not making the player get one shot, thats called 'artificial difficulty'
tormentors are SO much better
I think people want a heroic strike playlist. One where we don’t have to worry about champs but also still have rotating strikes. Farming nightfalls is boring because it’s the same strike over and over again. Basically a pve rotator we can throw ourselves into and be challenged but run diverse builds and not be bored by having the same strike over and over again.
Exactly, d1 had it, why not d2?
@Brownmangaming we had that before. In fact it's all we had after they deprecated the normal Strike playlist back when Shadowkeep came out because no one played it at all. Then they dropped the Heroic part of the name and it was just called Strike playlist and eventually it became what it's known now as Vanguard Ops and that's because Battlegrounds were added to them so the old name didn't make sense anymore.
It's difficulty hasn't changed since Shadowkeep. It's no wonder they are updating it because at its core it's still the Heroic Strike playlist so they want it's difficulty back because we power crept past it
@@sephiroth068 It's funny how people forget that so much of what they're asking for was in the game. Only to be removed because none of them were playing it.
@@RJLiams More variety is good and I sincerely doubt it would hurt them to keep a playlist in the game. Removing content is bad no matter how you look at it.
@@sephiroth068 You're missing the point entirely. The "heroic" difficulty exists in the game, but you can ONLY play the weekly nightfall strike at that difficulty. The current playlist is not relevant to heroic difficulty at all.
i was the “throw on garbage bags and a random gun” type player for all of my almost 9 years of playing this game and i seemed to burn out pretty fast after new seasons. at the beginning of this season though i watched some build guides and it’s like i picked up a completely new game. i started caring about armor stats, fragments and warlock was my least favorite class and now it’s almost become my favorite with the starfire build. thanks Datto for helping me learn to fall in love with this game all over again
For me, sentiment like this is exactly why I still don't, and won't ever embrace buildcrafting. I think its something that should have never been introduced into the game, and now that it has, it's one of the contributing factors to the unbalanced nature of the game. Would i enjoy the game more if i learned about it? Probably. But i'm still not going to touch it out of principal.
9 years and your talking about burnout, your looney.
@@mikeisgettinupset being stubborn is j gonna ruin the game for u bro build crafting is literally so fun
@@mikeisgettinupset So the game having actual depth is a bad thing? So you actually think that nothing you equip should matter and that would be a better game. Build crafting is a good thing in a game like destiny because it means players can be more creative and find new ways to enjoy the game EXACTLY like the op mentioned doing. If you don’t want to engage in a fundamental part of the game out of principle that’s on you.
@@mikeisgettinupset "buildcrafting never should have been introduced to the game" - in reference to an mmo
wild statement ngl
Okay Datto I'll agree to getting better at the game if you agree to get a real job balance that between living in reality and doing UA-cam videos. Then going outside in the sunlight for at least 10 minutes touching grass with your bare feet without bursting into flames.
Daaamn who shit in your cereal?
They have went too far. Why is a Hero Nightfall as hard as a Master was last year and the rewards are terrible. At least increase the chance to get a nightfall weapon. By a lot. The way it is now I just want the new weapon drop and then just focus it
I really want to see Bungie implement more "fun" modifiers within trivial activities. How great would it be to launch into vanguard ops, you get Warden of Nothing and see "Rush Hour" show up in the modifier list at random. You get to the train sections and twice, even three times the amount of trains are flying by. What if the strike was reversed? What if the boss split into two at half HP? I love seeing Bungie making trivial activities more involved/harder, but I want to see them get a little creative & fun with it, especially with the trivial activities.
This, make it fun, make it stupid. Maybe have an "Action Sack" (for the Halo fans out there) style playlist for strikes/etc where it's all dumb stuff like that and just let the developers come up with random modifiers or maybe get the community involved and have competitions for themed ideas, stuff like that.
They did do something like this with...Mini Screebs 😱
Would love to see them randomize enemies/end bosses in strikes like they did with the Taken King
@@Humble_halo70x7 problem is a) it was not "trivial contest" but only in GMs if i remember correctly and b) they didnt even worked right because they just clipped through the floor and became basically invisible insta kill enemies which kinda sucked but other than that it was a very funny idea tbh
Absolutely agree with this one, I get the difficulty increase, but Bungie seems to be missing that a challenge is not the only way to increase engagement. I'd love to see more options that fundamentally mix up gameplay in ways other than stuff like Blackout that just take away features/options or things like these Surges that just highly emphasize using specifically chosen elements or weapon types.
The main issue I see with incentivizing these certain weapons/sub-classes/builds is that it will cause a lot of gatekeeping in LFG posts. I would love to agree with Datto and say "Just use whatever you like!" but, more often than not, those of us without friends who have to LFG will find themselves forced to conform in order to appease the "GM Ultra Speed-run Farm Must-Have-Black-Hammer" Lords who want to min-max every activity under the sun.
I have LFG'd plenty and never had an issue finding a GM I can just join. Having more options than we have now for a Surge/Burn bonus is not going to make it harder for us to find groups. We literally have *more* options
If anything, I suspect gatekeeping will be on the basis of guardian rank.
Be the change you wanna see and start your own LFG fire team and find people. I’ve seen people complain about this since the beginning of time and being mad over posts of people asking for certain things or KWTD. I’ve never had an issue avoiding groups like this by just making my own posts on lfg if there’s no good chill options to join
Also he didn't mention this but Bungie said that enemies in Nightfalls will be stronger than normal to counter surge's basically they add surges then buff enemies so that you HAVE to use them. Also if you don't use the same subclass as the surge you're kinetic is weaker as well.
i have also been worried about this. LFG gets more and more insane with prerequisites and it always bothered me. But with a in game LFG coming soon, I Hope we found a bypass around this. But I can see it now, all the 'you need this build' or 'this weapon' posts surging. It already scares people away from endgame content and people who just want to have fun, end game is endgame, but its also meant to be fun. I am all for making the game harder, just hoping it does not become to restrictive. Though with the new systems it may work out just fine.
With Loadouts coming along too, we can essentially have a build for each element at the click of a button so no matter what element burn there is for the week one could have a build for it
I don't think the issue is about whether we CAN build for different things, but rather, do people WANT to build for all manner different things. Once you play this game for a bit you get to know what you do and don't like. Destiny has a sandbox with lots of options, it feels like Bungie just gets to arbitrarily remove a bunch of those options so you are no longer playing Destiny how you enjoy to play Destiny, you are at the mercy of whatever Bungie picks for you. That doesn't feel good for many people. Changing things up is a choice a player can do voluntarily whenever they wish, but through these systems, Bungie takes that player agency away. Me personally, I know how I enjoy destiny, I have specific weapons that I have put the time in to acquire because they are my favorite weapons. I don't particularly like it when I am basically, strongly dissuaded from using them or totally forced not to use them.
@@xOneShotOneKillx1 one thing I don’t like is switching all my mods and armor affinities for a different build or subclass, they fixed both by removing affinities and adding loadouts.
@@xOneShotOneKillx1how do they take player agency away by boosting damage on certain weapons/damage types… you could make the bad argument about champions but this is just silly.
You don’t like doing the same shit over and over for years on end. That’s basic human psychology..
The meta is always solved for a season within a few weeks. Now it will be solved for a year instead of 3 months
@@xOneShotOneKillx1 I mean you can still use whatever you want you don’t have to change things up …… you will just be doing less damage. So basically play the game however you want.
12:52 I really couldn’t agree more!
Up until they announced the Artifice Armor being good, my armor set was literally the 65+ pieces from previous season passes. A handful of them were even 67/68 rolled. Absolutely spot on about Master content giving 62+, its just not worth doing it for.
Sometimes i wish difficulty was increased by adding mechanics or something instead of just bulletsponge enemies that will one shot you
Yet the community always skips/cheeses/abuses/etc mechanics because they are too lazy or inept to do them. Templar and Gatekeeper being perfect examples.
@@punishedchad8733 Says more about the mechanics than the players. Most people weren't trying to cheese Leviathan and their raids lairs, and D1 raids weren't being cheesed all that much either.
@ThePapaVulture because they couldn't be abused that much. Gatekeeper is definition of an encounter that isn't very hard yet ppl cheese it because they refuse to actually do it right.
I enjoyed Legendary Witch Queen on launch so I hope things do genuinely get a bit more challenging, comparable to the enemy density and level decreases of this season, I actually liked the heists this season due to Bungie's supposed "Power Dial" being cranked up aside from the gameplay loop being repetitive to grind for the lewt (the level ups made the grind less tedious though)
honestly, it's their only bid to save the franchise barring they balance PvP. But Bungie doesn't care about/is horrible at balancing PvP so yeah this is kinda their bid for continued relevance.
@@GummyMelatoninGibson What that other person said. You're acting like Bungie doesn't care. It's that balancing is incredibly difficult and only becomes moreso as new abilities/weapons are added. Everyone says Destiny crucible was the best because it was literally brand new. There wasn't the mass amount of things to balance as there is now .
Don't forget that they added Anti-champion abilities to Subclass verbs, which means even in a GM you have a lot more freedom to use the build you want and let abilities cover some of the anti-champion capabilities you may lack.
I feel like a lot of people losing their shit at the moment seem to have forgotten this, we're no longer going need to bring specific weapons to stun champions. Hell, we've already worked out that Chill Clip weapons, of which there are already quite a few, are going to be able to stun both Overload AND Unstoppable champions.
@@Mars0War and effectively barrier too if you can time it correctly, which really isn't that hard.
And then they crippled everyone with seasonl and rotating surges. These changes are a joke.
Very excited for this change in particular. I felt the anti champion mod system to be too restrictive and I can't wait to have more freedom to create cool anti champion builds
@@Mars0War No more spending 7 mod energy for unstoppable grenade launcher lol.
I have my feelings on this, but I always have the mindset of, let's wait and see what happens when it drops so we can really see how impactful it is.
Literally my mindset since D2 launched.
ive said it before, if they make it too frustrating to play, people wont play. im a hard core so i dont have a problem with it, but i have friends who just struggle with normal content... and if they make it too hard they might just stop playing.
@@Honed- but they aren't making it too hard. They are making it "Heist Ballegrounds hard" which is just still super easy with any simple build. The game just became mindless of how easy it was and there was no reason to use a proper build for anything besides Masters, GMs ans Legendary campaign. Everything died too fast and I never had to pay attention to anything I was doing, it was just "auto-mode" playing.
By making things a liiiiiitle harder, we'll finally have an incentive to be creative with builds and be rewarded by engaging with them.
@@eduardohenriquecarneiroalv6343 Hopefuly. I’ve almost never interacted with the buildcrafting system at all, and that’s really saying something since I’ve been playing for a long time.
What's most important is that you already pre ordered.
you are right on the difficulty for me as a hardcore player, but this just makes me think about my mom who plays, she has trouble with seasonal stuff, can't imagine how it will be after this change
then again, i need to teach her buildcrafting still, just reminded me that she still doesn't know simple things...
As a primarily solo player the only thing I'd like is match making in some of the higher tier things. I know there are discords and such for finding groups but Legendary difficult should be matchmaking capable when some people are able to just solo it we should be able to matchmake into it.
If you’re able to pug into the hardest content in the game and finish consistently, the game is trivialized and lacks any kind of difficulty
@@maxreyes3097 legend isn't the hardest difficulty and people are already easily soloing legend difficulty. Master and grand master can stay fire team but no reason you can put into legendary
I probably would be less mad at Bungie for those changes if I knew that solo players wouldn’t be the most hurt by them…
100%
Destiny's fanbase is better at mental gymnastics than they are at playing the game.
I think they could make several levels of difficulty BUT please have an easier level for each activity (except Raids and Dungeons) for us casual and OLDER players like me. I've been playing Destiny since day 1 and now being 70 years old I am concerned I will be squeezed out. I already avoid Raids and Dungeons as it is but I still LOVE playing this game. Thanks for listening.
What activities are you talking about? Strikes? You don't have to worry about activities like that. They're getting a bit harder but it's still gonna be easy. They just don't want people to just roll through them without having to worry about anything. Right now it's so boring because it's honestly hard to die in strikes
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@@chickenwar1 Seasonal activities can be challenging especially with strangers. I will see what changes are made come Tuesday. I can't wait for Light Fall and hopefully, the campaign will be great. It's really my issue because my eyesight and reflexes are not like they used to be. LOL! I will play D2 until I can't anymore.
24:31 I actually enjoyed Gambit Prime and the roles they play in it. Would like to see those return in some way.
The problem I have with the difficulty increase personally is that it's more ostracizing to newer players. Destiny already has difficult content, that being Legends, Masters, GMs, Raids, Dungeons, etc. With the single exception of maybe the Vanguard Playlist, a lack of difficulty has never really been an issue for Destiny because if you wanted harder content, it was already there waiting for you. Increasing the difficulty from the bottom up like this however is only going to push people away, especially if there's no added incentive to playing the harder content. This is why the "your job has been paying you more for years and is only now asking you to do more work" analogy doesn't work because sure, while you might think that logically makes sense, that's not what most people are going to see it as. Most people see it as your boss asking you to do more work without extra pay. Beyond that actually very massive issue, I actually like the idea of an increase in difficult, personally. While Destiny is already effectively a full-time job in it's own right due to how grindy many of the challenges can be, I would like it if the difficulty in Strikes was bumped up a good amount (even if it kills my Arc Hunter Melee build).
I'm not sure whether I agree or disagree with your opinion on loot balance changes to Vanguard Playlist, but I did find it lacking either way. Yes, the Vanguard Playlist is too simple to be the primary source of high-end loot, but at the same time I think a lot of the frustration comes from the fact that there's several dozen different challenges that task you with playing Strikes over and over and over again with very little reward. I think a lot of the opinions in this video stem from the mindset that the grind is simply about getting loot and god rolls, but ignores the fact that a lot of people are just trying to complete the actual challenges and achievements that Bungie has laid out for us, but we don't want it to feel like a pointless venture. I personally don't play Destiny to collect god rolls on every weapon, I just want to complete as many challenges as I can and hopefully one day earn one of those title things. I don't think playing the game that way should be any more or less valid than playing the game to be the best ever.
A side-note to this is that I find it kind of funny that he thinks Lost Sectors and Dares should have better loot, but not the Vanguard Playlist. Doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, but whatever.
I'm with you. Some things need to be touched up in the difficulty and the rewards, but not everything needs to be more difficult.
Thanks Datto, old guy here who wants to learn but just got crushed by better players when I messed up. Thanks for trying to help people out by putting help videos out. God bless you and hope to see your videos on better setups soon.
I agree as well. Senior citizen here who has been playing Destiny/D2 since 2016. Love the game but found it hard to keep up with the younger players. My skills are better now, and I see these changes as a positive for me. I might have a better chance on some of the solo runs.
Y'all should check out the UA-camr plunderthatbooty he does easy to digest endgame viable build videos for all classes. Should get you a headstart on engaging the systems, even though they are changing soon.
@@helmitsixtyfour8620 bro I've watched him before and yes he's helped me make it to end game pretty smoothly.
For all of y’all who are looking into making a build, a good starting point is to figure out what you want to do first before finding stuff to support it. For example, if you like melees, then Monte Carlo plus another melee exotic would be a good start.
Just remember, there’s nothing wrong with making mistakes, if a build doesn’t work out the way you imagine it you can always adjust it later with no loss to yourself. Just remember the most important thing is to have fun!
The D2 community is very unforgiving to players who make mistakes, and it's getting harder to find sherpas to learn end game with.
D2 is at its finest when you are playing endgame content with a team that just flows, where everything is on a fine razor edge and even a single death is the difference between succeeding an encounter or wiping.
And if you've read this far, consider sherpa-ing a random through a dungeon. Maybe remember back to your days of first raiding, and your Fireteam being cool with you causing a wipe 3 times in a row cos you were learning and made a mistake.
I agree with your takes on difficulty and surges. Locking power level below target is something I've wanted for a while to standardize the difficulty of an encounter and stop demanding as much mindless artifact farming over the season. One of the few gripes I have about this is that Legend difficulty is going to feel somewhat pointless at just -5 relative to Master content, and should probably be capped a bit lower for accessibility's sake.
Surges and overcharges are just completely unnecessary and my main problem with them is that they're completely passive bonuses. Overpowered artifact mods have enforced DPS metas in the past, but they had activation conditions and mod demands that made them feel like you were opting into a bonus. Conversely, just getting 25% damage for free is so consistent and universal that it instead feels like you're getting punished for not conforming. It just feels like it goes against all of the other buildcrafting and QOL stuff they've announced leading up to Lightfall. Hopefully this ends up significantly tuned down or reworked before too long, though Bungie's history suggests otherwise.
They brought up enemy health to compensate for the surges/overcharge, meaning that it’s not a reward for playing into it, it’s an active punishment for not conforming.
Ya the weekly and seasonal surges feels so unnatural
I see what you mean with the bonuses vs. the artifact mods, but I don't think they're the same. Artifact mods worked everywhere, literally no activity was safe from the pressure of using something as insane as classy restoration. Losing a bit of damage feels bad, but it'll only affect a portion of activities.
@@Cry42 how much did they bring up health and stagger thresholds? Oh wait what's that? You don't know? You actually have no idea? You're overreacting to something that's not in the game yet?
Are base dungeons getting any changes?
Go on, insult my entire ancestry over me not being able to break shields, I can handle it fsther
Somethings definitely did not need difficulty increases though. And somethings definitely did need increased rewards.
Like Dares. Let that stay fun.
Lost Sectors... just drop something that allow us to pick the exotic we wanna farm already.
Games should be hard by design, not by making everything a bullet sponge.
I personally wish skeleton keys would come back only because i loved the boss themed armor, i had the ogre gauntlets and fallen cloak on at all times and i looked like an idiot but it was beautiful
ya know what, they are not necessary otherwise, but this is valid
Irrelevant, but it would be nice to see more Boss themed Armor
I mean they are adding keys to seasonal chests, why not strikes?
Strike specific loot was such a dope idea, I’ll never forgive bungie for not bringing Stolen Will into D2
Maybe the keys could be a reward at the end of Legend and up Nightfalls, being that you get a 100% chance drop from a GM. These keys can then be spent at the end of the Nightfall for a chance to get an Artifice armor piece specific to the strike, and another guaranteed adept (in GMs) drop for the weekly Nightfall. You can farm Keys, up until you have 10, and you can cash them all in at the end of the nightfall. Chances of getting the Artifice piece increases the harder the nightfall. Hero and Adept nightfalls dont have a chest or key drop.
i can already tell you lost sectors are now just going to be worse. They havnt had their drop rates adjusted. but have been made more difficult. So they will take longer to complete for still no reward most runs. They need to bring master lost sector loot drops in line with GM nmightfalls. Like guaranteed drop per run.
Did you watch the video?! They're getting a +20 power delta, making them easier across the board.
nothing better than running 8 lost sectors and just getting glimmer from the chests back to back..... because getting no loot when completing a mission in a looter shooter makes sense, right bungie?
I just want to be able to solo strikes at the same difficulty they are when you have a fireteam. I’m relatively new and just want to try soloing something simpler before I try moving up to a dungeon
I've wanted to solo strikes for years.
@@markmurex6559 it was possible on console, not sure if patched; however if you set your time and date quite far back then you'd load in solo.
For PC though, I'm not sure
I think the massive 50 PL jump between Hero and Legend (1765 to 1815 effective PL) was a mistake. The -15 PL in Legend is fine, that level of difficulty works (though a reward increase to compensate would be nice). But requiring people to hit 5 over Pinnacle cap just to run the most basic level of non-matchmade PvE content is a bit ridiculous. Setting Legend to be at, say 1815, with an effective max PL of 1800 would be much better. The difficulty doesn't change, but it lets people slowly transition into the harder difficulties of the game as they hit the powerful cap, and makes Legend a more accessible difficulty earlier in the season.
dont get me wrong. i love gmnfs theyre fun, and im totally fine with power being capped at 25 under
but im not a fan of power being capped for *all* difficulties.
what the fuck are we even grinding light level for at that point? why does it matter if i cant roll into a master nf and clap its cheeks because im 15-20 over.
if theyre going to cap power for all activities then they should also just do away with the power grind.
With the increased difficulty hoping strand is going to be end game viable off the bat. Really hope woven mail and sever numbers are good. Id love to main strand hunter in master or even gms
Look, I totally understand and have no problem with adding more difficult content to the players who want it, but I really don't see a point in *taking away* easier/more accessible difficulty options for people who aren't top tier players. I've been playing OG Destiny since day 1. I follow the build guides, I understand the mechanics, but my reflexes, and my vision just simply wont ever allow me to get to a place where I'm going to be doing GM nightfalls or Solo Flawless *anything.* And that has been just fine for me. But these difficulty changes do make me VERY nervous. I've given several hundreds of my dollars and hours of my life to bungie and I'm worried that more content that I HAVE PAID FOR will be locked behind ridiculous skill walls that I will never physically be able to achieve.
But I'm not here to just cry about it; the solution for me is simple... stop giving Bungie my money. If TAKING AWAY accessible content is really what this toxic, slobbering community is begging for, let them have it.
"i can excuse them taking away 5 raids, but i draw the line at them making activities i cant complete"
@@pepsi9209 are you saying that's what I was implying? I don't understand, I literally said I don't see a point in them taking away content that's already there?
I never played the strike playlist this season. It’s so ungodly brain dead
If Gambit is going to be ignored, stop making seasonal challenges for it
I think in regards to Skeleton Keys, I don't want that to return, but I would prefer to see Strike-Specfic ornaments to be considered. It could be cool to get an ornament for your armor or weapons, maybe in Nightfalls as a drop. It could be a nice reward alongside our current nightfall weapons.
Would be nice for the old Strike, Crucible and Iron Banner ornaments to come back.
I have a few of them from vanilla but due to school I never got to get the others.
Friends of mine talk about the Alak-hul Helmet you could get, and I think thats the kinda stuff we should see again
I would love to get gear that corresponds to the strike itself. If dungeons and raids can do it, I don’t see why Nightfalls and strikes aren’t allowed this predicament.
@Landon Moser Titans got that Warlocks got a helmet based on Saber 2 and Harpy based gauntlets.
Hunters got gauntlets based on Phogoth (iirc) they had Hive runes and chains. There was the Psion Flayers and Taniks cloaks.
yeah imo, strikes should get an armor piece associated with them (like d1), and the nightfall version of that strike should have a specific weapon (+ adept) associated with it. then let us launch both strikes and nightfalls whenever we want for that strike/nightfall-specific loot (only the weekly nightfall would give other loot, like ciphers, ascendant shards, prisms, pinnacles, exotic armor, etc)
Irl if you’re hunting bear you take a gun that can kill a bear. This new difficulty feels like fighting bears with bb-guns. It’s ridiculous to have to shoot something 1000 times. I’d rather shoot 1000 vex once than to sit and shoot a few enemies for a half an hour without getting killed. That’s not challenging it’s just fucking boring and stupid.
I think also, some people (such as myself), sort of just have to accept that Bungie, and Destiny players, want the game to go in a direction that isn't for you. I like Destiny for exploring all the pretty maps, seeing all the cool areas in places like missions, strikes and raids, and playing through the story/learning the lore of the game. I can't really sit down and grind, I have a disability that prevents me from sitting at my computer for too long, so I usually try to take it slow. I understand that a lot of Destiny players aren't like that, and aren't interested as much in the same things I am. They want to grind and improve and play as efficiently as possible. It makes sense that Bungie also wants to cater to that type of player, because they're the ones who put in the most hours on the game. It does make me nervous that it'll be harder for me, or players like me, to be able to enjoy the things about Destiny that don't include buildcrafting, or optimization. But maybe that's just how it is, and maybe I spend more time watching story recaps on UA-cam or other people doing the raid, and less time in game. They can't develop the game with everyone in mind, and maybe it's just up to me to understand that, just because I love Destiny's world and it's design, doesn't mean I'm entitled to being able to experience it myself. Developers can't always be thinking of everyone when they make changes that cater to specific playstyles like this, some players are bound to get left behind, and if that's what has to happen for the most present Destiny players to be happy, then so be it.
I felt this
My issue isn't with the changes with surges or overcharges, or even the changes to Vanguard ops, though i do enjoy breezing through it on occasion, just as a fun no-brainer. my concern is with the other things, at legend and above. as a solo player, these things are already quite difficult for me, especially dungeons. and as the in-game lfg isn't coming till season 22 or 23, I am concerned that if some of the changes are too extreme, my only options will be beating my head against the wall till i rage-quit, lfg with strangers i dont want to talk to, or just not play most of the endgame. But we'll see, hopefully it won't be all that bad.
I agree with a lot of what you said, with a giant "BUT" - the expansion power grind is ready for sunset. To have to do a massive soft cap push (campaign?) and then a 50 point powerful grind when they just increased the amount of time required to complete the same old content to get back to the fun stuff is obnoxious. We play this for fun. It's not our jobs (most of us). All they did was make it more of a grind to get back to status quo for many veteran players. And then they wonder why we bounty hoard.... it's because a lot of that old shit is boring at this stage. But at least it's now going to take more time. Grind on guardians.
Bro you should have seen Forsaken expansion and Last Wish raid. Forsaken was top level expansions (3 studios worked on it) but oh boy, some design decisions were atrocious and could never fly away today. Anyway the top raiders/players power farmed prime engrams like crazy to be ready for the raid. And they still did a 20 hour run (Datto's team came 2nd for 2 min). IMO perhaps you can focus on 1 class only, and play the other 2 classes very sparingly if you have time, if you have energy and if the bounties on your first class are finished.
Notice the many amounts of Ifs and place your sanity above all else.
I just wish Neptune wasn’t so difficult. I feel like I die from an enemy looking in my direction. I also don’t like being forced into a build.
Datto. Dude. Bungie did NOT do a complete gambit overhaul last year. They tweaked it. Like they have on some level the past few years. An overhaul requires the addition of new maps. Mechanics. Perhaps even new enemy skins (we’ve got several varieties of each race: why not rotate them).
People don’t touch it because Bungie isn’t touched it in the ways people have been screaming about.
Look: I know PVP is a much bigger draw and it took half a decade for Bungie to even tinker with that on a semi-legit level. So my expectations for gambit aren’t huge. But let’s not pretend what they did last year was anything other than the band aid on a corpse you referenced earlier (love that analogy BTW).
Bungie CANNOT say “we tried everything with gambit.” It’s stale. And it’s stale because people are sick of the same 4 maps. We have fewer than when we started. People scream about the stale maps in crucible and there’s what? 20 of them?
Remember when completing the weekly Nightfall gave you a blue flaming head? I've always loved that kind of thing. I hope something similar makes its way back to the game for GMs or master raids/dungeons
jeez i’d forgotten that, yeah that lasted for the week i think? that was a really nice touch
I'm less concerned about increased difficulty and more about how much buildcrafting is gonna change and how we'll interact with orbs of light and the works. Will there be more sources for orbs or are they going to leave them as they are now where it can be a bit of a pain to get them to spawn outside of a singular mod type and supers.
I do up to 70orbs per strike.
Creating orbs is incredibly easy.
They said in their buildcrafting blog post a few weeks ago that some of the mods that currently generate elemental wells will now generate orbs of power, though they didn’t specify which ones.
They are consolidating everything into one making build crafting much simpler
Yeah the difficulty in this game is non existent lol. The hardest thing to do in raids right now is to use Izanagi and a linear and hot swap for more damage.
@@KaeptnBolle Wells maybe, but orbs, that hard to believe. On my hunter I have a build that focuses on making orbs, but that build only works on hunter. None of the 11 builds i have for my lock works when it comes to massive orb creation. They need to bring back master worked weapons making orbs.
I hear what you're saying, but my rebuttal on the Vanguard Ops playlist and Gambit would be:
• Bungie knows how boring non-Nightfall Strikes are, hence why the Vanguard Ops playlist is getting any changes at all. Ultimately it may still be the easiest content in the game, but Bungie is at least making an attempt to make that content less steamroll-y. So to your point about loot, I mean, this IS a LOOTer game, and I'm sorry but I want loot in my LOOTer game. Not feeling rewarding enough has been an issue with Destiny since its inception.
• If Bungie is giving up on Gambit due to not wanting to waste anymore resources, then why in the hell are Quests, and the general game STILL telling players to play Gambit? We just want to hear Bungie at least say they give up. But instead they continue to stay silent all the while the game STILL pushes players to play Gambit.
You lost me at the people "Should be watching guides" part. Regular people don't do that. Only the super invested that are on social media. Literal statistics back this up. Regular players, average players expect the game to teach them how to play the game. If it doesn't then they just quit playing the game and move on to another one that does. And Bungie is fully aware of this. Which is why they're putting loadouts in the game and why they're putting the looking for group finder in the game and other basic quality of life adjustments. They spent a lot of money and time doing what they've resisted doing for years. Ask yourself why. I would hazard that exit surveys, the lack of player use by population percentage of the app group finder, and churn forced their hand.
Remember like you said this is a video game not a job. People shouldn't have to study for a test to play a video game. And content creators aren't destiny game designers and they shouldn't be expected to function like one.
My problem isn't that the difficulty is a bad idea, it's that it doesn't solve the issue I think. Simply making enemies hit harder and for you to do less damage is exactly what GM's do and I don't think they're fun, the problem is that the enemies themselves are pathetically predictable with very simple rules that dictate how they interact with the world. For instance if they see you they will most likely stand still and shoot at you, occasionally they will move like 2 feet to the left but that doesn't really effect how you approach the encounter. If you get within a certain distance most enemies will simply stop shooting, walk towards you and melee. They will shoot around 2 or 3 shots then melee again. The simplicity of their AI means the most effective strategy is to just sit back and shoot from a distance until they die because they won't move. The only exceptions being Vex goblins/hobgoblins who will crouch to cover their crit points and enemies who have shields such as captains and wizards, who will retreat to cover until their shield regenerates back up. Some enemies have similar patterns such as acolytes or psions but most don't. It's part of the reason I'm not particularly excited about the shadow legion. Reskins of the Red legion who apparently can suppress your abilities somehow, which could be cool. But that's all that seems to be to them. The tormentor on the other hand is based on Rulk and as such is more complex, especially with the grab mechanic it's supposed to have. It will force you to approach the situation differently. This I feel is the perfect example of why I think this change to difficulty might be nice but isn't the solution. GM's will one-shot you, this is artificial difficulty. Allowing the enemies to interact more meaningfully with the battlefield to make you think is the only way to truely make the game more fun and challenging. At least in my opinion. (this isn't even touching champions of course 😂)
After beating the Witch Queen campaign on legend I went to the Throne World destination and was surprised of how weak regular enemies are. I want more challenge
it would be cool to see legend patrols come into the game were enemies are harder but bounties, roaming bosses, and heroic patrols have increased reward.
@Exosus They stated Neomuna will be a patrol that just lowers your light below enemies a bit.
Yeah, new lights literally one shot body with their starting HC when they get it. Imagine if halo had lauched like that, magnum 1 shot body everything except elites which are 2-3 shot body, no difficulry options. No wonder so many people flood in expecting IGN difficulty all the way through.
@@Wywern291 IGN difficulty? what that mean? i tried googling lol neveer heard of that before
@@exosus7451 they tested this with the leviathan patrol zone by locking your power level. This will be further iterated on Lightfall by making you always be slighlty below the power level of the patrol zone.
Okay, how about this: They should keep normal strikes without damage buffs because its just for fun. But for the higher difficulties they do use them. I also think it makes sense to have strand always as a buff for this season, but why are arc and stasis not given the buff for an entire season? Add stasis and arc pls to the weekly rotator as well! More variety.
The loot sucks so having to do more for it also sucks , sorry it’s true. Saying it’s not a job is true but neither is it supposed to be a struggle bus. It’s only the sweaty souls who judge their worth on game difficulty. Some don’t live the game , you do I get it, actually have a job and a life and then get back to me about it not feeling like a job.
I get you gotta shill but come on. Being a streamer far removes you from a “ normal “ player. Your point of view is divorced from normal players. It’s cool you love it but some won’t and that’s cool as well.
7:55 This is so much so! It's also why I've decided not to do Lightfall. I'm so tired of being forced into a specific play style, weapon selection, etc just because Bungie. They select the one-and-only daily legendary lost sector. They select the champ mod weapons. I get it - it's a video game and they're the designer. But they choose *so* much that it sucks the fun out of it - for me.
I don't mind the idea in general but I feel like Destiny is a game where we should have playlist where we get to feel the bonkers power of our guardians and shouldn't need to struggle against small adds in the EDZ when we've killed several literal gods
Its also a very bizzare decision to not let us overlevel for the basic ops playlist which is supposed to be the easiest thing to engage with, but we can overlevel for raids which are supposed to be the pinnacle of content
Maybe the whole game in general needs a few difficulty settings.
A cool change for lost sectors would be for all lost sectors be available for legend on discovery and the "daily" (rotates between destinations not within) lost sector unlocks master and gives double rewards (maybe x3 for masters?). To make it more focused have the exotics be split by year of release onto their respective planet (i.e. D2 year 1 exotics are on EDZ/Cosmodrome, year 2 exotics dreaming city etc.)
i think for any change to lost sectors to feel good they would have to increase rewards beyond just the exotics. the exotics are great but for every 1 you get there are anywhere from 2-10 runs where you get a bit of glimmer and a core. i think they should take your idea but also make it so if you dont get the exotic the chest drops better stuff like upgrade modules, prisms, ascendant alloys (on master).
@@kingcal9671 honestly upgrade modules would be pretty good too
I just don’t understand how Bungie thinks we’re not engaging with Vanguard Ops because it’s too easy. I’m not engaging with it because I get my pinnacle and then that’s it. With only one or two new things being added to the playlist a year, there’s nothing to engage with, new things make it feel “fresh”, not having to work slightly harder for a +1 item
There's people that dont engage with vanguard ops at all even for the pinnacle because its plain boring just insta deleting enemies. Especially with the rng of pinnacles, people dont even bother to boot up the playlist.
@@chachan6044 me having to fight slightly harder for the same dogshit rewards is gonna incentivize about as much as offering a quadriplegic person a free bicycle if he does well in judo.
@@NobleVI_343 1. They did mention there will be vanguard weapon focusing so that might be some loot worth playing for.
2. To be fair, other than maybe some weapons, to expect high tier loot from what is pretty much the beginner difficulty playlist does not make a lot of sense. If you want good loot, you have to play the harder content that is available.
@@chachan6044 you said it yourself, it's beginner tier, meaning a lot of the community won't be interacting with it after a while, which shouldn't be how it is, if you knew how skeleton keys used to work, you'd know it's possible to get people excited for strikes- also actual strike scoring, not the garbage they're pushing out.
@@NobleVI_343 i do know how skeleton keys work, i actually played through all of D1 as well. The problem is that the reward system from skeleton keys would have to work very differently considering all the reward sources we have now in D2.
People would not love that yes, even though you get strike specific loot, you'll have people whining about red border drops, bad rolls on weapons and bas stat rolls on armor, and also when they get the specific gear they want, then they will again say 'there is nothing else to do now'.
Making a playlist more engaging jn its gameplay instead of 'heres more loot' i feel is more important long term wise. I do agree in strike scoring tho, that would be fun especially with a leaderboard system.
elitist datto is giga based
You can't tell me people will stick around by making stuff harder and getting the same old loot we've been getting. That loot got old after a while and nobody will want to work harder for shit tier stuff.
so, i agree with you on most points. What i dont understand is why couldnt they just leave the base difficulty mode? reduce the loot for it or something. 1 reason for this would be for grinding out bounties not sure about anyone else but i already dont like having to do bounties in harder content just because most of them are forcing you to run "more" specific things in order to be optimal and that may not line up with modifiers already active so you would have to pick and choose. Which for you may be fine and thats fair just a reason i think it would be a good idea to keep a base level difficulty in the game that doesnt modify the power. I could also see these changes being brought in because they are clearly moving towards a "power level-less" destiny 2 which is also fine. there has not really been much of an incentive to grind out that power other than grandmasters but for most people and a little luck, you can get that by the time grandmasters launch with little to no effort anyways. ALSO GRANDMASTER GAMBINO WHEN lmfao
i’d have less of a problem with the surges if they’d rotate all the burns. I don’t mind strand being a static burn since it’s new but I feel bad for Arc and stasis users 😅
I think it’s fine since the weapon surge doesn’t stack. So you can still use a stasis weapon that matches the weapon surge etc.
I think there should be an exotic wishlist after “mastering a lost sector” by that I mean getting a certain amount and points or time completing the master version or whatever it’s called in which you have a higher chance of getting those exotics but you must pick a minimum of 10 so it’s not a guaranteed chance to get exactly what you want since other stuff is also being raised but you’ll have a higher chance of getting an assortment of exotics you want just a way to make it less random
I think they should spit up the loot sources like lost sectors give lost sector stuff legendary campaign gives its exotics, raids/dungeons have there own, and random exotic engram drops have there own as well. this way when farming for exotics you have places to go rather than just farm lost sector for a chance.
They already basically do this.
Or just have a token system like Spoils of Conquest. Spend a bunch at the end of the lost sector to buy one of the exotics in rotation. Spend a bunch more in the tower to buy the specific one you want. Spend a bunch of bunches to unlock a new one. Spend even more bunches to buy the one you want with the high stat you want. Having the tokens drop after other legendary or master activities could ease the monotony of doing the same lost sectors again and again.
@@spaceboyg It doesn't make sense to be able to buy exotic armor outside of Xur. Just add it to Xur. Make Xur's loot pool great again.
Or a knockout system where you're more likely to get something you don't have vs something you do
I think we should at least be given more sources of legendary shards. They’re used for everything now. Maybe add a chuck of them after doing so many vanguard ops / nightfalls?
we are getting so many more ways to spend them in lightfall but no way to earn more. It's weird that no one is talking about this, the focusing costs will make guardians go bankrupt...
What if gambit got an event like crucible has iron banner? Like if they brought back that separate game mode that people used to farm spare rations. And doing that gave rep boost for normal gambit like iron banner does for crucible
The increase in difficulty for the heist battlegrounds was a cool start so I'm looking forward to more like it. I had to stop for a second and think about what I was doing instead of just chucking a gunpowder bomb into the mob of enemies and running forward.
I hope the Vanguard scoring change will actually prevent people from just running through Vanguard ops. It's so boring to just have to run after my teammates as they bypass 90% of the content because they can't be bothered to engage with it.
I hope so too however strand is a thing, and my main fear is that players will just use that and eager's edge to zoom again and do it again and again
I do have to say, I'm very fond of the Ops playlist, like as a thing...I like the strikes and the stories behind them...they're like four persons in other mmos...so yeah there's times I want a little bit of specialized loot in them...not because they're harder (they wont be for me) but because I want them to be fun and rewarding and I genuinely enjoy them
My question is, what loot does datto think is dropping in vanguard ops? You get literally nothing except 1K glimmer and maybe a blue or world drop purple
I like nightfalls because you sometimes get funny boosts like faster ability regen or faster grenades so when you have a grenade build the nightfall suddenly becomes way more enjoyable since youre just vomiting out grenades
@@catlas2849 you want more? For a beginner level activity?
@@alvaroquintero620 ?? There’s literally no rewards. Yes I want more if you’re expected to grind it. It doesnt have to be exotics or something crazy, just any actual reward. You’re just repeating what he said.
@@catlas2849 All the vanguard exclusive weapons and armor plus materials is not enough for you? For a BEGINNERS level activity your not supposed to grind it
My main worry with all of this is LFG. I rely heavily on LFG for all end game PvE and lots of the time they start off good but slowly tilt into salt if even 1 thing bad happens. With all of the meta changes and overall (some deserved) nerfs to our guardian, I can only imagine this happening more. It’s makes me very nervous to find out if the next LFG I get into might be the last I ever bother joining before I drop the game.
Find a discord of not terrible people?
@@JMD3M410 not possible
@@JMD3M410 I’m using the DTG Reddit LFG and the Destiny2PC LFG. Both have the same results come raid night. If those 2 aren’t good there can’t be any better ones out there.
@@JMD3M410 what happens when lfg is in the game
You start with the LFG games and build a friendslist of people that don't suck. You play with someone a couple times and then you invite them to your discord or get invited to theirs. Bingo bango bongo you got a fireteam that works for you.
THE PROBLEM IS THE REASON WE'RE SO POWERFUL IS CAUSE OF BUNGIES BALANCE HEAR ME OUT its not a problem but WHEN THEY MAKE US POWERFUL AND then they take it away it just feels bad and stupid it feels like im losing progression they made the game harder cause theyve powercrept the game an insane amount
But why not increase the difficulty in endgame and keep casual stuff casual for people who want to chill on some destiny and get loot from shooting bad guys... my entire response to this video is why not both... personally I'm pretty hardcore on destiny 2 but I'd still like some casual playlists mixed into the game to please both crowds... I completely understand the difficulty increase but newer players and noobs still need somewhere to go and have fun
Yeah, just bumping up the floor so that it's closer to people already at the peak is extremely stupid.
I'm glad that they made master raids into essentially contest mode. Fantastic change. The only other thing that I would have found maybe acceptable would be keeping master raids as-is and making a hard raid (GM raid maybe) that has basically contest and better loot. But That just seems like too much Dev time for what is likely a small section of the community.
The only thing I'd like more would be the removal of the power grind as it exists today. I play ffxiv and do a lot of savage/ulti and one of my favorite parts about it is how accessible all of the content is, you can literally go buy a set of the most recent crafted gear off the market and boom, you can do all of the hardest content in the game excluding an on-patch ultimate (which is tuned for BiS of the patch prior to its release). I show up in D2 and I have to grind random bullshit just so I can get to the content that I actually want to do.
The new youtube logo lookin clean
My biggest worry with Elemental Surges and Weapon Overcharging is that it's gonna be another new thing LFG servers are going to get toxic and picky over when it comes to getting groups together for GM's. It's bad enough when people get kicked for not throwing down Wells every possible second regardless of weather or not they're needed in those moments; now just add on the getting angry over not running the one weapon that get's Overcharged that week because the Champion stunning methods you're comfortable with don't match up or don't have a good enough roll on a Heavy Weapon that fits that specific bill for the week.
I'm not arguing that Bungie needs to increase the strike loot but you saying that the best gear should be locked behind the hardest content is wack, that would definitely make me stop playing the game. All the hardest content is shit like raids and GM's that have zero matchmaking, so as a solo player you basically want to remove any chance i have of earning good loot without needing to find 5 other people for a fireteam...
Lfg has been a thing for like 8 years. I use it all the time and have a blast. Put yourself out there
I agree with most of what you said, except for the skeleton keys:
I didn't like the system because they brought out the BEST OF ALL TIME weapons, but because they were themed weapons that matched a strike. Yes, nightfall weapons exist, but NEITHER is their themeing very interesting (wheres my hive-styled weapons, or my Vex-ified Fatebringer?), NOR do they match the strikes... i just want that back
I took a break from D2 for the past 2 seasons becasue it has just been tiring to play this game with how much we just roll over everything. I felt many of these opinons that Datto shared in this video, especially with the overexaggeration from certain parts from the community about the game being harder. After reading about the changes, I'm very intersted in finally getting back into D2 to see how these changes play out.
Same I was burned out because game was just mindless grind with 0 difficulty like I was completing GM with 0 build. Now I'm coming back to see what gonna happen with this changes
I take breaks every year I only play the new expansion and it’s season attached to it and leave until next year, it’s too much repetitive grinding every season for me to waste my time on it
@@EpticityOG it's a looter shooter that's literally the whole point of the game 💀
Most of your points i agree with but I do think the weapon drop chances should be touched up a bit on the ops Playlist weapons.
I also don't think the power delta being applied to raids or dungeons is the greatest idea but I'm willing to try it and hopeful it will be fun
I think the reason people want the ops drop rates to go up is cause if your not running vanguard prosperity on your ghost it's can be a 50/50 drop rate sometimes like for me I'll do my pinnacle then do like 10 15 more ops sometimes just messing with builds n that and won't see another drop or I might see a drop ever 5-7 strikes and thats with slaying everything as I've just always been that sorta player ops definitely needs it's loot touched up a little bit even if its only to raise the chance of some of the older loot drops that I never see drop anymore unless its from a zavala engram but with everything else going in in strikes and difficulty it should make the game more fun (I personally can't speak on gms or raids never have enough players) but from being scared to do master lost sectors to making 1 void build and suddenly I'm thinking ahh this is easy and 2 maning and basically soloing legend nfs and was gonna try a master nf but didn't have enough people on to confidently try it but generally the games to easy vanguard ops getting harder will help most newlights get comfortable going into other content pushing to endgame content another thing to note I don't believe the base difficulty is going uo of dungeons or raids just the master difficulty
I just had a grand idea. For matchmaking on legend and master NFs and stuff, tie it to guardian ranks. If those ranks are meant to mean something on player capability, then we should give them a purpose other than social ladder height.
Hopefully LFG works off of something like that so you can specify only players with previous completions and a high enough guardian rank. If it works well, it could provide enough data that a stricter matchmaking system for endgame activities could work.
The push to use is the main reason i am done with this game. I played the campaign on 1 char and this is it... No more expansions. Enough is Enough. Kill x amount with pistols bounty. Kill x amount with bow pulse arc void grenade precision ETC BS. Make the grind harder for less. 5 strikes from 3. Only one difficulty of the legendary lost sector and lock behind it the new exotics. SOOO you want them. Well fu ck of if you are not a streamer playing 10 hours a day to get to the proper LIGHT LEVEL in order to do it. I want to play the way i wanna play on the difficulty i wanna play. I dont mind to play legendary lost sector on 1770 power and get way less chance and rewards from people going onto 1830. WHY am i forced to played this way. You get the new Strand subclass. WOW finally i have waited so long well guess what. YOU need to GRIND your ass off in order to get enough strand materials BS to buy your fragments. I hope the next game is better.
They should get rid of the grind for levels if these activities cap your power it defeats the purpose of all those hours, weeks grinding for pinnacles to get to the max and optimized your build. People grind and stuff so at the end you can run content and feel like a god doing it regardless of difficulty I like that my hard work over some weeks pays off well without getting frustrated by bullet sponge enemies 1 shot Mr beefy etc...
I soloed Pit Of Heresy my first D2 dungeon thanks to your solo guide. I am so proud of myself. Thanks Datto!
Well done bro, keep going!
Calling last year's rework a "full revamp" is definitely a stretch but otherwise i agree with the sentiments. While I don't think seasonal content should be the source of the very best gear I do think it should give stuff good enough to work in mid/high-ish level content just so they can more easily access the more difficult content for better rewards
A lot of these changes are just kinda numbers, which is kinda hard to understand how things will feel. I’m just kinda waiting to see how these changes shape up
I’m just concerned about the goofiness/fun factor in some activities. Hopefully GMs won’t become a massive slog, seeing as how I need to lfg as none of my friends want to touch that sort of content with a 10 foot pole
Ive lost respect for Datto over the past few years and watched his content religiously throughout D1
This video is a banger and says what we were all thinking.
Thank you Datto. You truly are a voice for the elites.
Just sickening. I mean yeah you won you got my rage click. But geez. The amount of rage you have for people who play games causally is awful. Bless you for being able to do this as a job.
its a shame that he loves to rant about peoples weird takes on twitter this much, very elitist indeed
I think what people want with the skeleton keys are just cool unique loot. Like stolen will, grasp of malok you know weapons themed after our enemies. Could be cool rare drops in the playlist.
Cool unique loot like the D.F.A.?
@@sedftnio Yes. We want that back
@@sedftnio Loot themed after the boss or the strike. Would love for the Warlock Fallen Saber helmet to come back for example
Silicon Neuroma, Duty Bound, D.F.A. The militia’s birthright, Mindbender’s Ambition, Warden’s Law, Horror’s Least, etc.
We already have that
@alvaro quintero give us armor options too. Since unlike D1, we have transmog for armor, having trophies on any set we want is a great idea and arguing "hurr we have some now" is just
This hasn't worked out the way you hoped, at all. I have not been able to complete a single Nightfall with the same team I started with using matchmaking. Even just regular vanguard has people dipping out constantly. The average player is incredibly bad at the game. Any even moderately difficult mode is now unplayable unless you use LFG or have friends. I'm so sick of soloing fucking vanguard ops.
Isn't the point exactly that the average player is too terrible and bungie has set bad expectations with difficulty? He said that in the video
I personally just want to see themed loot instead of the random stuff we have seen in some of these activities
I really hope the score/difficulty changes mean I won’t be dropping into a strike where there’s a guy sprinting at Mach 12 like he’s got horse blinders on towards the end, and I have to try and catch up while working on bounties and hope I finish them before he teleports me so I don’t have to do another damn strike.
Agree with you on all points Datto but they need to remove the nerf on Vanguard Ops loot then. Used to get a weapon from the chest every single completion. Then sometime in Witch Queen that changed (probably when they introduced Vanguard focusing). Now I get a weapon every other strike or every 3 strikes....
17:40 this is my take: I appreciate the UA-camrs and reddit bloggers who share and come up with builds for us to use. I’m also the type of player that doesn’t want to always rely on other people to make builds for me. It feels so much more satisfying for me to think of a concept and build it on my own and see it work.
I’m still working on a warlock cleric build but was able to make a great CQ Arc build in season 18.
After launch, and as a player from ttk era, I can say that this is pretty rough for a casual player entering the game for the first time. It feels like they want it to be sweaty if you're not modded up perfectly, and then doable with moderate effort if you are. Then on top of that, your power level becomes effectively meaningless once you reach the cap, which I think is master that caps you at 1820, but really any activity caps you. So what's really the incentive? The opportunity to do even harder activities without actually getting any more powerful??
Yeah, that feels pretty unrewarding, especially when there's still no powerful or pinnacle protection or guarantees. Doing 3 capped activities for an hour of my free time for a pinnacle that doesn't actually make me more powerful and then getting an item that doesn't even improve the slot anyway. Who thinks this is fun?? How on earth did anyone at Bungie see the universally positive feedback from season 9, where we could actually choose from the sundial, and go "....naaahhh" and never have anything like it again???
There's another secret: Elitist Datto is actually just Realist Datto.
Elitist Datto in a nutshell: get gud noob and actually play the game
Here's my thought. I run a GM, because I know what I'm getting into, and there's a meaningful reward to match at the end. But now I won't run a Master, because the weapon won't be adept, and it's a lot harder for just exotics and a lower chance at shards. At just another -5 power handicap and some mildly inconvenient modifiers, I can run the same build in a GM and be rewarded far better. The reward structure will need to change to match as these are my considerations under the current rewards structure.
Two weeks later and people are having a tough time beating legend shit. Can't even run shit anymore because it's so difficult. Thanks for ruining the game for casuals, elitists.
it is not too difficult, it just was too easy.
there still is easy content. it just isn't all content anymore.
@@redstonepro5412 People are getting one shot in patrols and lost sectors. I've seen a lot of people drop the game because they feel weak.
@@DemonLordSparda that they are just underleveled. otherwise they would not get one-hitted.
and yes, content that is supposed to be hard endgame content like legend nightfalls need reasonable builds now. and with these you won't get one-hit. you don't even get one-hit in grandmasters, and these activities are not harder than grandmasters were in the last seasons.
edit: i played that stuff myself already, and i am very much not a good player regarding combat skills.
i just have reasonable builds equipped, and with these it is not as easy as e.g. the vanguard ops playlist, but it is very much possible to do.
@@redstonepro5412 You know why people are under levelled? Because there’s a permanent -15 and -20 power modifier on legend and master content. Lost sectors are harder than the fucking raid on contest mode
@@rickybobby5153 wtf what? contest mode is -20 permanently too.
and yes, master lost sectors, as any MASTER content, are supposed to be a difficult challenge in terms of combat.
and no, master lost sectors when on the level cap are certainly not harder than the master raid was. that is just absolute bs.