PCIe Gen 5 SSDs done RIGHT!
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- The new KLEVV CRAS C950 Gen5 SSDs bring function in a quality package. What makes them special is predictable quality on the controller and one of the least offensive yet super cool drives on the market.
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If your GPU overheats, your screen will glitch out.
If your CPU overheats, your PC will freeze.
If your SSD overheats, your data will corrupt... HUGE. DIFFERENCE.
to be fair cpu or memory overheating can technically corrupt an os sometimes but it's not likely. But yea data corruption is basically guaranteed to ruin your day lol.
@@danielparks9035 Yeah but in our everyday systems that isn't an issue. In the last two years I have serviced PC's in hospital wards FULL of dust... and they still worked fine. Yes they needed cleaning but wow it surprised me.
They can control the overheating quite easily. They can adjust performance based on temperature at the driver level and set it to blue screen/stop working a few degrees before it reaches corruption temps.
What matters is, id your SSD look good while corrupting your data?
@@danielparks9035more like ruin my life
Gen 4 has barely been utilized and they already talking Gen5.
and who even gives a shit about sequential speeds? pcie gen 4 and 5 barely improved randoms over gen 3!
This is clearly a world of just money making
I have ssd gen1
Our random reads and writes have barely improved which sucks.
I'm rocking Gen 3 and it's plenty fast. Don't care if they released Gen 9 tomorrow.
Very nice. The early Gen5 NVME drives and the heat/heatsink issues are the reason I stuck to Gen4. The KLEVV drives, if they perform and stay cool might be the ones to get. The RAM looks good too. No RBG BS. Sleek designs. Very cool.
another one of these, hating rgb doesn't make you cool or superior. sure I'm not a fan of rgb but i won't call it BS. pretty sure when this guy posts his PC, he labels it "aNti-RgB" instead of non-rgb
I'm still on 3.0x4 it's already blazing fast.
@@cmja09 I think what Hugo is saying is that if a person wants a Christmas tree they will get one. If they want a PC they don't care about flashing lights and whistles and bells. They want a simple PC that runs very well and fast. Most of us don't put our PCs on display for certain people to "ooo and aww" at, especially when it is likely to be inside their case and unobservable. And yes, I do realize that some people like to have transparent side panels just so they can see the inner workings of their PC all the time. But many of us couldn't care less.
@@ToddSauve seriously these guys are absolute losers going ape on a small snippet of a larger comment..goodness..i hope they dont have girlfriends who have to put up with their stupidity
@@ToddSauve yea after building multiple pcs with RGB for personal use n friends the appeal is wearing of after a couple weeks or days even it doesn't matter anymore I do have other subtle rgb to have a form of ambient lighting in the space, rn considering a mini itx build that I can strap underneath my deskfor a cleaner look rgb is nice and all but it gets old after a while
I noticed Klevv when I was looking for DDR4 memory at my last upgrade. I like their subdued design! I will 100% check what they offer and if I can get them. Also, the brushed aluminium one is better looking (to my taste). More heatsink between the two is better, because why not.
Frore System's airjet coolers are Ideal for these M.2 SSDs.
Respect for Klevv, will consider their products in future
Good boy, they done grift u right
I’m on gen 4 drives and it’s never even remotely crossed my mind that I need a faster ssd. And I do huge video files for my channel and I still don’t feel like I need more.
For most people, I'd even argue that even gen 4 is already overkill. But for gaming or pros, there's definitely a need. And in tasks that read/write a lot of small files (e.g. programming), gen5's speed gains are very welcome. Random write of small files are always the slowest tasks you can throw at a drive.
@@refreshfr yeah for sure
The u.2 form factor seems the answer here. However that's rare outside of data center and higher end workstations. A 2.5 inch drive has room for good cooling and doesn't clutter up the main board so much.
No, we don't want cables
Or hear me out: a PCIe card that has better cooling.
@@riba2233 Why not?
@@kaseyboles30 I think it is obvious, at least you should know if you build pcs
@@riba2233 nah. That's a skill issue.
I like the flexibility of being able to place my peripherals anywhere in a roomy case. Board space is limited and I like having unlimited options.
I put a my Crucial T700 in my Corsair XM2 and plumbed it into my custom water loop. Works perfect!
My pcie 4.0 ssd, when installed without heatsink idles at 62c and instantly reach 72 and throttles under load. For any data-critical scenario I wouldn't even go past beyond pcie 3.0 since it's probably the last generation that can be used comfortably without any heatsink
SSD makers thinking that being first to market is important, forgetting that shoving big heatsinks in any system is likely impractical. (Imagine trying to put this into a rackmount server chassis, where things are already very compact)
Klevv is gonna win this fight.
"Wait alot longer" & by the time pcie gen 5 becomes fastest, there will be gen 6 😂
pcie 6 is already ratified, should start seeing it maybe by the end of this year or more likely next year. The server market is chomping at the bit for it. Consumer side though might take a little longer.
@@nadtz I spoke with a person who works in a company that made hardware for PCI-E and he said that they had PCI-E 6.0 ready hardware back in 2018 and the only reason it wasn't out was because PCI-E 6.0 wasn't(and still isn't) out yet, and that was 2018, by now they probably are ready for PCI-E 9.0
@@badass6300 6 was ratified in 2022 so yeah, 2018 wouldn't have made a difference as far as meeting spec. PCIE 7 is in the works last I read, I don't believe it's been finalized yet but it's supposed to be ready by 2025. Anything past that I have no idea about, I'm mostly waiting for 6 to hit the datacenter market.
Gen 6 will also be more expensive and may also face heat issues when launching while GEN 5 is refined. How many people need that kind of insane speed anyway?
@@JerryFlowersIII Datacenters and the enterprise. It will probably take a while to trickle down to the consumer level.
The thing with SSD heatsinks is that you always have to modify them since it also cools the nand flash. So we always have to strip that pad off. If companies want to produce heatsinks, they need to do them correctly and only concentrate on the controller.
KLEVV RAM looks so sick.
I think the best Solution would be highly shielded extension cable(s) & once you have the SSD Gen5 out from under your GPU, &/or CPU, or no longer buried on the back of your m/b, we need to water cool the SSD w/ a dual sided waterblock, hell lets not do this half-assed, might as well include the RAM into this new waterblock, now we just need someone to Manufacture them.
And since ITX builds are once again becoming all the rage (did they ever stop?), a two ram stick as well as a 4 ram stick versions would be needed, & with the SSD, make them all fit dual SSDs. As always it's nice to have the option to upgrade/add-on to your storage.
I wish high-level passive cooling was more present with these newer hardware upgrades across all arms of tech.
I remember KLEVV since ddr3 and ddr4. they always fascinated me
Good on KLEVV. I'll wait to see what they deliver. I'm not using a gigantic heatsink for my build lol.
lol I love the chemistry between you two 😂
Good to see. I have the Crucial T700 under the big heatsink on my Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master. It has never gotten hotter than 42 degrees. 11700 Read/9700 Write.
afaik Klevv is actually well known in Asia market, they offers wide variety of RAM to reach every budget level
Thx for this detailed explanation
Im sticking to my solidigm and nv2 nvme tho😂
I love cooler nvme and pcie4 heck even pcie3 is still fast af for me
Just need cheaper 4tb nvme if 2tb is already around $75-80+
This man will do good as UA-camr 🎉
For the record, the data corruption issue was fixed with a firmware update long before this video was published. As for the AMD demo system you referred to, the system had a couple of air inlet fans for the case but they were configured at such a low setting they barely spun. Add in the GPU, CPU, and other components and the system was basically a oven.
Did you guys happen to get any info on when Klevv's CRAS V and Bolt V is coming out?
love klevv, no nonsense design.
How many watts do these Gen5 SSD controllers output? Can they be cooled by AirJet Pro solid state cooling. SSD cooled by SSC. This would be great.
I've tested the Crucial T700 Gen5 SSD on my channel, and have been using it daily in my system for about a month now since receiving an early unit from Micron, and haven't had any issues with it. It doesn't have any active cooling and the heatsink has a low profile, so it should fit in any build. It does get hot, but the heatsink is good enough to prevent any significant thermal throttling. This SSD should age well. The Gen5 SSDs that come with active cooling are annoyingly loud.
I feel like downdraft cpu coolers are going to become a bit more popular again, just because they provide a bit of direct airflow for the main ssd.
SSD coolers should be sold separately.
Similar to CPU coolers.
A lot of manufactures that add SSD cooling of their own will loose money simply because they won't fit in to motherboards.
Frore System's Airjet would be an incredible application for these little things. Linus did a video on the AirJet in Taiwan the other day.
PCI-E Gen 5 done right would've been to combine it with a motherboard that wires two lanes per M.2 SSD in order to wire more of them directly to the CPU, clearing up PCI-E lanes for other devices through the chipset.
I'm sorta amazed that they figured out how to get CPUs to run so slowly that they won't explode without a cooler, and worst case will turn off the system, but they haven't figured out how to throttle an SSD to not crash and cause corruption...
Also, I like the RAM, it looks sleek and pretty
Difference of application.
SSDs fail to function properly if too cool as well. They have a green zone.
no
and here i was thinking we were going to go back to a all water cooling system when this video popped up. It is good that passive cooling for PCIe gen 5 parts is possible without going down to gen 4 speeds.
Surely the answer is just open custom water loop cooling; you can buy M.2 and DDR5 waterblocks which will cool components like gen5 SSDs BETTER than huge heat sinks, whilst being only a fraction of the size! Have you seen an RTX4090 size reduction when converted to a custom water block?
It's past time that even mid-range PCs switched to open loops. Case manufacturers could have options to sell them with a pre-installed open water loop (radiators, fans, pump, flexible tubing and blocks, pre-pressure checked for leaks) , so people just need to add a motherboard, CPU, RAM, GPU (they could buy one pre-waterblocked) and storage, and attach the flexible tube looped water blocks and add water!
I'll wait for Crucial's SSDs
good info
Good thumbnail. Only reason I clicked 👍
The Gen4 SSDs time to buy starts actually now when their prices lower with the Gen5 models release.
I hope we see more custom controllers for gen5 ssd's. Seeing 24 products from 12 brands all with the same phison controller is kind of pointless. They'll all perform nearly identically. Hopefully SK Hynix, Micron, WD and/or Samsung come up with some good custom controllers. Need to see someone make gains in random r/w this generation.
GEN 5 is INSANE!!!!
they kind cute ssd with heatsink, but a super speed.
Nesting the NVME under the GPU, as every motherboard does now doesn’t do it any favours. As the NVMEs get hotter than they’re now, there is no chance it will be able to (safely) operate, unless is away from the GPU and with some serious cooling.
You can make any cooler as massive as you like but what matter is when you hit diminishing returns in relationship to when you start throttling speed of a component because you hit its thermal limits, to simplify this, thermal capacity is as much as the cooler's mass and material, if you saturate it fast enough, it doesn't matter much how good it is, it's heating capacity doesn't really matter after that point for the most part(especially if you ALWAYS want to prevent throttling, unless you put your PC out in the Sun of course or inside some extreme source of heat for whatever reason), what matters is the temperature transfer rate, basically, if a drive can never saturate a heatsink/the heatsink allows it to never throttle even in the worst realistic conditions especially in the summer for example and especially if you leave in a very hot place and have no other way to cool the space the PC is in, then the related design is superior to pretty much anything, but that almost never really happens especially if you hammer a drive with reads and writes for long enough, which is where active cooler comes to aid and is need but most of the time not directly, usually mildly aggressive airflow will cool NVMEs with a decent heatsink very easily enough to (almost?) never get close enough to throttle limits.
These things look like gonna have a clearance issue for two slot GPUs if you look at the placement of the second m.2 ssd slot on newer motherboards or maybe I'm seeing it wrong.
I’m going to using a Z690 motherboard that’s a gen3 m.2 nvme .
I already have a gen5 m.2 nvme so it’s backwards compatible?
Gen4. SSD with cap on 6-7 GB/s are absurdly fast for average user anyway for now and few next years anyway.
Nice. I really look forward to seeing Klevv SSDs. Hopefully in 4 TB.
where does ANY ssd with a cooler even go? The past several builds I've done have the PCIe 5.0 slot right under the GPU.
The mic and noise canceling on the rep is insane
Me chilling with Gen 3 and can’t tell the difference between it and Gen 4. And these dudes already talking Gen 5
As of right now I have yet to tap out on the PCIe Gen 4 drives and don't really see the need for Gen 5's throughput.
What is the use case for a Gen 5 over a Gen 4. My SSD moved 400 GB in under 6 minutes. Who needs more speed?
i love klevv more than samsung or wd and love and prefer skhynix to samsung. Have purchased two klevv drives already. Pretty trustworthy and dependable
I'd still give it another year before thinking about buying a Gen 5 SSD. Wait until several companies come out with models with small heatsinks. Maybe another controller besides the Phison. Samsung should be coming out with their own controller within the next year.
Real question: As a plain old gamer who plays a wide range of modern and retro titles (world of warcraft, division 2, world of warships, cod, etc) is there any real point to considering gen5 SSDs on my next build? (probably Q4 of this year).
in the next year or two it really is not worth it to have gen5 ssd as an end user. Gen 4 is absolutely plenty for any use case right now
Tbh, with the games you're playing, not much. Even gen 3 ssds or sata ssds would be more than enough.
I believe one of the other tech-youtube channels that was at computex here, mentioned that some other tech-youtubers had tested the performance of ssd's for gamers and found negligible difference, we are talking load times having only a difference of a few seconds from the slowest sata3 6gb/s ssd to the fastest gen 4 or 5 nvme ssd.
So I believe we have to wait a while until game devs knows that a majority of consumers are at least using gen 4 nvme's at the speeds recommended by xbox and playstation, because then they should be able to do the same "direct whatever access" that the consoles can do to stream textures, as an example, directly to the gpu, instead of going through the ram.
No
no
Those RAMs tho🔥
Upcoming itx builds? ;)
Honestly, Gen 4 is just fine for 4K or even 8K editing... Everything more is just enterprice which... What do we even need faster SSDs for if we aren't running a heavy-weight server?
Gen 69 will be glorious
Wow amazing
NO
isn't 3000mb read and wright enough?
Was this guy the voice-actor for Star Wars 1's gungan Boss Nass ?
My mobo heatsink keeps my crucial gen 5 2tb t700 at 38 degrees and I'm using it as my OS drive...
Gen 5 ssd coolers need some benchmakrs
nice ad! good job guys! love the channel!
The Gelid Silent 5 50x50 mm fan is silent.
The E26 being on 12nm was always a sign that this was a lazily put out solution to monetize on the early hype for Gen 5. The latest Phison E31T, which is technically a lower variant, is build on 7nm. Anybody who really wants a Gen 5 drive with fewer compromises should wait for a new high end Phison controller based on 7nm or whatever Samsung puts into their Gen 5 drives. Everything currently on the market is simply not worth the price
Me with a intel 660p: I'm tired boss
I met somes gamers that don't run expensive ssd, they don't even know some of them need heatsinks.
I hope there will be ssds with 100gb read speeds and 100gb write speeds. I hope there will be an option for ddr5 ram with 10,000 mhz clock speeds with xmp enabled.
I saw someone referring to an article about ddr5 reaching over 22,000 mhz when they would reach gen 5 sometime after 2030, so it's a way off yet.
Optimized for benchmark only.
what im waiting on for ssds is for storage sizes to go up to reasonable prices. 8tb at 200$ would be awesome, i dont care what gen. gen 3 is as fast as anyone could notice the difference
I'm excited about using a gen 5 to cash my mechanical drives when it doesn't need that big 😅 ol heatsink
Just no
@@theendoftheline I mean all good if u don't need to cashie your drive but I don't do regular stuff with it I produce music and video edit
Who cares about 12GB/s of sequential speeds? Won't really improve anything over my gen 3 drive, the consistantly high random performance of enterprise drives is far more interesting.
agreed, solidigm drives are way more useful in real world situations then these, who often needs to move files that are dozens of gigabytes anyway?
I'm more interested in more IOPS than I am in bulk transfer rates.
RIP Optane PCIe Gen5
Currently running my games drive on a PCIe 2.0 x1 connection.
Took me ~2 minutes to copy a 65gb file
That’s the slowest drive in my pc, my previous computers main drive was 30 times slower.
I just switched over to Gen 4 a couple months ago. I won’t switch to Gen 5 until Gen 6 is released.
simple with mini turbo fan:
so stp idea
Face it, we will have to water-cool Gen5.
This is why all the ssds are going on sale.
2 lane gen5 is the way to go
All I'm hearing is to reach higher specs we're just wasting more and more energy via heat waste.
I'm also hearing that Klevv wants to do thing right, not fast. I respect it.
Speaking as someone that's still using PCIe Gen 3 SSDs, I had an unpleasant experience where my laptop suddenly shut off, despite the CPU AND GPU fans going at full speed, leading me to find that the SSD was simply getting overheated! I had to buy and install a slim heatsink to deal with this and so far, I haven't had a heat related shutdown since. I can't imagine having to install the ludicrously huge heatsinks for the Gen 5 stuff, so good on Klevv for what they've done!
I am sure you can install the heatsink in 5 minutes if you know what you are doing and 20 minutes if you don't. Doesn't seem like the worst inconvenience.
So why can't they they do a 10G/s to lower the temperatures?
Because 12GB/s will become pretty much baseline spec for Gen 5 quickly so this gives them some marketing longevity.
Even with video editing workloads at 500-700Gb files I cant tell the difference between a Gen4 and Gen5 drive.
All that speed and maybe 3 to 4 seconds faster when loading games than gen 3 I don't know if that's a win
Gen5 is not ready! That is it
Mike do need some heatsink
I can't even wrap my mind around 12 gb/s... How much will these guys cost when they come out?
Unless your doing some serious 4k editing i don't see really the use case for average user... gen4 7g/s already an overkill
@@everry3357 I'm still rocking 1.8gb/s 😂 so anything sounds incredible!
@@frostman9661 i just got a new laptop with gen4 ssd i get around 6.5gb/s transfer what i noticed is that whatever file i need to move it's moving in an instant it feels so seemless it's quite unreal like the biggest file i had to move was around 11gb and i didn't even see the window of file transfer the thing was done in instant i was struck for 5 sec wondering if there was a bug but no it was done in 2 sec... so for the average joe yeah gen4 is an overkill let alone gen5
@@everry3357 wow, that sounds amazing! Definitely on the bucket list for my next build in a year or two!
I bought a Crucial T700 just yesterday, 2TB model was $364.99
Interesting but not a big enough deal until it can fit into a laptop
seems like i should ditch MX500 now. gen3 nvme i am coming.
Hell yeah
do we really need gen 5 drives?
someone please make hotswappable external M.2 slot please... USB based thumbdrive should be obsolete in another few years with how much SSD progressed & lowered in prices.
What it is use of 14 GB speed
Can human use .
Only for copying or only processing
Can processor req this speed of nvme
RAM has speed 6200 MHZ
I wanna see samsung gen5
More RGB makes it faster. Bigger SSD heatsink makes it faster. Why argue?
How Much Longer! Wait for Gen 6 🤣
So Phsion=Asetek as in they are the only maker on market with SSD controller's?
No like I said Silicon Power and Flashtech both have controllers too
@@HardwareCanucks just everyone be using one vendor that hit that pure speed it's the same controller on my 4TB Sabrent Rocket 4+ just a Generation behind more then fast enough for my needs we will see how the speed benefits say Direct Storage later on 👍