We Finally Did it Properly - "Linux" Whonnock Upgrade
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After months of performance issues and crashes, we endeavour to remove the last Windows server from our rack.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro - Наука та технологія
Just a small clarification about the SMB Multichannel settings. We asked the TrueNAS folks about it, and they explained that in the current version of SMB/samba in TrueNAS core, SMB Multichannel is still considered "experimental" and is therefore not a recommended configuration. The Linux version of TrueNAS, "Scale", should support SMB Multichannel by default once it matures into a stable release.
ok
Almost slipped up, thanks for the info man!
Nothing good ever comes from combining the word “windows” and “server”
:)
So this is a Linux style server, noice. :) How many TeraFLOPS is this server, and the exact RAM amount to the nearest MB? I love technical specifications.
Now run it on a Raspberry Pi.
This comment most definitely brought to you by Red Shirt Jeff.
Oh god
Why don't you go plug that GTX 1050 into that Raspberry Pi.
Omg I love your pi videos, I am in my 3rd year of electrical engineering and I am thinking about using a pi in my final year project because of being inspired by your videos.
Ohh you
These server videos are always so incredibly interesting to me, even though they're some of the videos furthest from what I'll ever experience
I think that's what makes them interesting; seeing what's happening behind the scenes of tech companies and big online companies
Dont be so sure of it, some years ago I thought 2 harddisk were enough for my stuff and now Im researching on how to set up a nas because i need a lot more space i have never been interested in servers
@@vinzer72frie Same, I'm now more interested looking around on how to self host every service I use.
Same
You can always run a cheap server box with Linux for home server :P
"We're going Linux baby!" - Goes BSD.
Ya. TrueNas Scale is Linux (they have BSD though as well) though. Still in beta, improving every day. Seems to work fine though.
In the end... Bsd likes. , 🆓
@@Fiberton maybe 10 years ago.
Sorry, Linux more perrormant, secure these days ;)
Honestly BSD is not even that bad and hard. Most linux apps work on BSD and when i say most that means 98% of them lol
@@Fiberton Installation can be nasty, ditto Debian and wifi not working by default. artificial hurdles to dissuade people using them.
It never ceases to amaze me that Linus has mad a career out of documenting his career.
Its like rappers rapping about being rich to get rich.
@@joshuasterling2144 true
xD
Linus, its like every engineer in racing has told: "If you give your driver 100hp more they mention not noticing it, but if you take 10 away they complain the car is undriveable!"
You mean "if you mention there is 10hp less they'll tell you it's undriveable" even it's still the same ;)
Did I understand this correctly: What we have seen in the video is only a temporary solution to keep the editors working while New New New Whannack, aka Whannak 4, is set up?
@@RandomUser2401 it's a combination of being a temporary setup, as well as a test bed for the configuration they'll be installing on New New New Whonnock.
Once you get to a certain point going faster is less noticeable, but you can feel when you don't go as fast.
Tofu run without spilling
2:35 Always glad to see a new episode of Linus Drop Tips
His reflexes are getting better :D
I'm laughing too much of that part, I'm literally crying.
He genuinely looked scared there 😂
holy fucking heart attack......
@@Dennys787 amount of how much that will cause just to break one or two part he should be, servers aren't cheap
Jake: "I've done a little testing on this"
Also Jake: *explains every single setting and how they differed between different states during testing*
This is not a "little bit of testing" my man, this is proper testing.
yeah I was wondering how many hours he spent on this.
@@francoisviljoen4002 its linux, the answer is only one "a lot" :)
Well, when you're a professional your work becomes easy to you.
@@kosajk Its not linux, its a unix based system they went with TrueNas which is FreeBSD not linux
@@bigbay1159 idd thanks for the info never got that far into it actually,
Doesn't look any better tho in time consuming department :]
Linus has really built an enterprise here. Haven't been watching him and I didn't realize what sort of operation he was running. Good for him!
He made a tour of the place and how they run all of that pretty insane
he has like almost 40 people working for him . They manage like 5-6? channels
No wonder there where advertisements all over the video... I haven't watched him in ages, but I guess he needs to pay the bills.
@@ovedurak i still watch him time to time , but the ads & lack of time killed it for me . There was a time (from 2011? to about 2017-2018 ) when i watched a lot of his videos .
A company with around 40 people hardly qualifies as an enterprise.
Linus: "As you can see, it's not the weekend."
LTT: Drops video on a Sunday.
He almost dropped the server too
300th like
To be fair, it's not The Weeknd
He could have made the video middle of week gone
It's never a weekend it's always a work day
Jake used to get ribbed by the comments all the time, but he seems to be super knowledgeable in this stuff. It's nice to see him be an expert in a field.
tbf his first video, about server i think? ,where he and anthony fixed the server. He did have some douchy/doesn't care altitude.
But i like him changin' into chill and still a very knowledgeable dude.
@@mickolesmana5899 Cause he grew more mature at the job. It's been like 4 years since then I think
I wasn’t watching back then but I like Jake. I’d be friends with a nerd like him for sure
I didn’t get it back when Jake got hate. Always liked him.
@@mickolesmana5899 anybody got a link to that vid? I think him and Anthony together would make for some *extra* big brain footage (theoretically).
As someone who came from BSD, I must say that BSD pre-dates Linux by a whole hell of a lot. It’s more correct to say that Linux is Unix-like.
Indeed. Not being true UNIX was the whole point of Stallman's grand quest. GNU's Not Unix. It's a shame that HURD never worked out and we got stuck with Torvalds' kernel, which gets all the attention instead of the rest of the system.
@Clinton Reisig What do you mean by "practically invented Linux"? He indeed invented it, he is the creator of Linux.
That's correct. GNU stands for GNU's Not Unix after all
"Linux is Unix like?"No, it is going away further and further from Unix and with good reason: Unix is outdated and obsolete, that is why it died. It refused to adjust to new realities of computing today, to be useful, run on as many systems as possible and progress with more automatisms and a special new feature called U-S-E-R--F-R-I-E-N-D-L-Y-N-E-S-S :-D When people talk about Unix, they actually mean Linux with it, Linux is the reason that anybody still remembers Unix at all.
@@nigratruo There's a few BSD folks who would probably disagree with you. The PROPRIETARY Unix systems (Ultrix, HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) all went away because the companies that produced them had a vested interest in commercializing their operating systems - this meant selling them for a profit.
Linux had no such constraints, and it was freely available as a result. This led to consumers choosing the "free" OS option, vs. spending extra thousands for the operating systems (as was the case with HP-UX, for example)
Caption corrections:
Zetta-FS => ZFS (appears quite a few times)
parody => parity (appears a couple times)
qDevs => queue depths
18 gigabytes => 18 gibibytes
I love how in the last couple of years the technical discussions in the videos have become much more advanced and in-depth
100% has do with hiring people that know this stuff. to push the content further.
@@perow4029 *cough* Anthony
@@Zawadmunshi Real heroes do things because they're right, not for recognition (nah but seriously that guy is a God among nerds)
I don't know... Seems like they are jumping some steps. It seems they just want to huild the server and than they think about filling something about it, there are lots of parts missing.
and im glad pc community have become more and more proficient in the technical jargon
I must admit, "Post" Corona bearded Linus with that out of bed hairdo goes better with Linux. Also, looking forward to the inevitable Canadian wood axe reviews. To quote 2minutepapers. What a time to be alive!
😀I love seeing a 2minutepapers reference here.
Wish I could like this twice
Post carona?
No idea why the dude ever stayed clean shaven. He looks way better with a beard.
@@ShizGnat most likely it was his wifey and something about that number 69 reaction Linus has, if you know what I mean.
"I don't know why TrueNAS doesn't work the way I want it to" - proceeds to hard power down and unplug power mid startup then slaps the top of the case repeatedly. *shrug*
Exactly. It's disappointing and aggravating to see someone who should know better behaving in such an idiotic, irresponsible way. Sure, it's his own equipment and his own money he's putting at risk, but a lot of people watch his videos and may think "well it can't be that bad if Linus does it".
@@nomore6167 boo hoo
@@nomore6167 No one who is paid to administer a server is looking to Linus as a role model. If they are, fire them.
this is a show, he knows to do wreid stuff so people get mad and comment more.
@@dinosauriojacinto Yep - Which is why I'm not screaming ESD at him whilst he's juggling components. ;-)
"We could [turn compression on] later because we have stuff like Word files"
Those are already compressed. .docx is just a .zip with a bunch of xml in it.
Deduplication would be best in that scenario
@@vlamnire Deduplication is only useful if the files are mostly the same. Unfortunately, changing a single letter in a .docx file results in an entirely different binary stream, as it's zipped.
I get the feeling these guys never were that great at Windows software in the first place. Figures.
My heart skipped a beat when Linus nearly dropped the bloody server.
Like always. :) It's a given law of physics. Gravity and Linus don't mix
In a parallel universe he is the best DJ ever, the amazing drop skills are still there, just different application.
Yeah I bet he almost crapped himself.......that was a close one.
Linus looked like he'd just squeezed out a little bit of poo.
linus should become a dj
he'd drop the bass.
TrueNAS : I fear no man. But that guy.
*stares at Linus*
He scares me.
True NAS working with/for a lot of Multi-million dollar companies: It's ok.
True NAS when they see Linus coming with a new Server: Oh god, why that Canadian again?
Linus is my inspiration!! My mom said that if I got 25k subscribers!! She definitely buy me a professional poop plug!! begging you GUYS alot literally begging..
@@Br-Shaft did you mean "oh god"? since its the possible way to said it and maybe you can rorrect the mistakes
@@swadplan excuse me what the fuck
@@swadplan what the fuck man... What the fuck
I'm amazed that you were actually running windows on your storage server all this time... That's true bravery right there!
@@homedecore1391 what
Would have been worse to have a mac with beachballing
Windows on a storage server is absolutely excellent - if it's a fully supported OEM storage server running the correct edition of Windows. Which this is not.
Firzen is beast
lol EMC SANs runs tons of F500 companies.... their VNX product runs Windows server ... sooo
ah yes, the end result of all networking projects,. You start out thinking you're gonna make everything way faster, spend an entire day setting things up, and then find out things are largely the same but maybe more stable. I've never felt like the job is 100% "done" when doing networking...
If it's not a broken network, then it's just OK
It's kind of funny to see how Jake and Linus roles have completely reversed since the earlier server videos. Jake used to be all over the place, a true joker. Now he's the serious one sighing at Linus.
The apprentice became the master
I'm pretty sure Jake used to overplay it for the camera until he was told to tone it down.
@@ShiroKage009 he still needs to tone it down, I don’t know how to say it but dude is annoying I skip a lot of videos because he’s in them. Lol
@@DiZZiEntertainment eh, he's pretty toned down already personally, nothing from him strikes me as annoying anymore
Well he has to be serious if he wants to have any success in luring kids in his van.
I miss this style of video. this felt like a true to old LTT video
This video was filled with the level of Dorkiness that old LTT videos gave off often.
and the level of dorkiness that we all loved!
You mean back when there were *actual* tech tips?
was looking for this comment
I get why the channel switched to something more gaming focused, it has a more bigger audience than people just interested in computers for computing sake, but for me these kind of videos are true LTT
you mean less, polish, finish, and more nerdly,,,yeah I like that also
"We are going Linux baby!"
- Parents of Linus, probably.
From opening boxes of mediocre PC parts outside NCIX to overhauling your company's server. Pretty cool to witness this journey along the way.
I love how there is still disagreement over whether to call it "new new whonnock" or "Whonnock 3"
*new new new
It should be whonnock 3, because Linus has ranted about horrible naming schemes.
@@KalebMarshallDulcimerPlayer no that would mean its the fourth
there is no disagreement, its new new whonnoc. linus says so.
What disagreement? Jake is just wrong.
"Several Blue screens"
And right there, you can see Linus's pure anger
@@agnes_______________5331 Go away
Linus‘.
@@agnes_______________5331 So many fucking bots.
Tbf, Find me a person who would not have pure anger at even one bsod
Linus is my inspiration!! My mom said that if I got 25k subscribers!! She definitely buy me a professional poop plug!! begging you GUYS alot literally begging..
Well done LTT, your content is always fresh, entertainmenting and educational. You have built quite the team.
i like it how someone put "0:00 intro" in the description. would've been lost without it, thanks
They have to for chapters to work
I really like it that Jake shines when he's knows his stuff. He's also good in explaining. And he tries to dumb it down (as far as it goes in this sort of videos)
Nah he’s by far the most annoying member of the team.
He said doing it dirty and I swear to God I heard doing it nerdy
@@coolinmac you always this negative?
Jake's the real hero of the team.
Yeah, he know his stuff and it's awesome to see him in what he excell. Just like went we see Anthony.
Jake: "There's a bunch of hard drives in there, stop slapping it!"
Linus: "Who owns it?"
Jake: "..."
True, but Jake's job is at stake and does not have Linus levels of savings an investments to carry him through.
@@danielstellmon5330 Sounds like they got backup somewhat good these days. I have seen a video where yelling at a server rack basically slowed the drives right down.
@@DoctorWhom wait? 4 real?
Any links? 😁
@@denniswier yep for real ik it too, here is the link : ua-cam.com/video/tDacjrSCeq4/v-deo.html . I hope the comment doesn't get deleted or hidden lol
That and yanking the power repeatedly. Gee, I wonder why he has inexplicable problems with his OS install.
I love how giggly Jake got whenever the speed of the drives was mentioned. It's a great feeling having the coolness of something that you like acknowledged like that.
I had a ton of fun watching this and thanks to watching for years I know exactly what is going on. I feel awesome!
I literally Love when Linus even feels like he can't fix it so he just yells " JAKEEEEE " Makes my day hahaha
Jake funny as
When things were at their very worst:
2 Suns, Cross in the sky, 2 comets will collide = don`t be afraid - repent, accept Lord`s Hand of Mercy.
Scientists will say it was a global illusion.
Beware - Jesus will never walk in flesh again.
After WW3 - rise of the “ man of peace“ from the East = Antichrist - the most powerful, popular, charismatic and influential leader of all time. Many miracles will be attributed to him. He will imitate Jesus in every conceivable way.
Don`t trust „pope“ Francis = the False Prophet
- will seem to rise from the dead
- will unite all Christian Churches and all Religions as one.
One World Religion = the seat of the Antichrist.
Benedict XVI is the last true pope - will be accused of a crime of which he is totally innocent.
"The time for the schism in the Church is almost here and you must get prepared now"
"Arab uprising will spark global unrest - Italy will trigger fall out"
The Book of Truth
Literally??
Aww, I've been eagerly waiting for the "LTT switches to daily driving Linux" challenge and first I thought this was the video 😅
Where are they going to post that challenge? Here in this channel?
same
saaaaaaame
YES WHERE THE IN THE FLYING FUСК IS IT
lmao same
Well done - I woke up to that conclusion 15 years ago, and have been exclusively running Linux since then!
2:38 Linus never stopped dropping stuff, he just got better at catching 😂
I used to work for a certain cinema sound company. We were setting up a real time rendering cluster for digital cinema. What we found is that by moving from SMB to NFS we got greater throughput. We also hit the same caching issue with Windows. Linux was used as we could not solve that issue. Also, the read/write latency of SMB is around 40% worse than NFS. Not sure that would make a difference in your use case. But would make a worthwhile test.
NFS compatible with windows ?
@@patiencelarson4128 Don't use Windows for editing is also a good way to ramp up speed.
@@ryzenforce Adobe kinda needs Windows to work, and LTT already made a video on trying to cut away from them
I have the same experience as well, but just in a home environment.
So I'm quite glad i have moved from windows
I had a feeling SMB wouldn't be particularly impressive 🤔
The heroic effort of making Linus audible over those servers
also i love how long this "newnew whonnock/whonnock 3" thing has been going on
good god what is that hat ed
Linus is my inspiration!! My mom said that if I got 25k subscribers!! She definitely buy me a professional poop plug!! begging you GUYS alot literally begging..
i think they should follow suit with intel in giving weird names of their new products
@@swadplan lmao
4:11 the way you flip the screwdriver is epic
i enjoy the server videos a ton like some of the other viewers. not a storage or networking geek but i love seeing that side of the operation
I remember watching LTT after school back when the storage "server" was in the bathroom -_-
I still remember the bare 3.5” drives stacked on the toilet lid lmao. Wish they would do more truly chaotic and diy projects again like whole room water cooling
@@harrisonjr98 the idea of stacking conductive hard drives on top of each other gives me chills, please tell me they were at least powered off
@@christopherjc54 It's all here on UA-cam. You can see the glorious horror that it was for yourself.
hahaha no way, they actually did that?
and moving them to the top of the stairs due to all room water cooling
I like how I use to feel bad for Linus when Jake first started showing up in video, but now Jake is the mature one. LOL I love LTT
Remember the poll on the forums of whether to fire jake or not?
@@6973chris2 I never really got in to the LTT forums, but now I'm trying to find it, if they haven't deleted it. I always liked Jake but when he was first on here it looked like a father with his teen son trying to do something together.
@@yugoprowers the poll was put up by a member not let themselves might be hard to find
Mark @19:14 - "It's good, it's acceptable, it's not worse" and then finally "I could edit with this". I'm wondering where it would have ended up if he kept talking.
Good for you welcome to Linux you will enjoy the community. Great people ready and willing to help.
16:51 I love how Mark organises his icons on the vertical display
Nice catch
I just see a USB icon - what is that?
@@Kyber417 yeah it looks like a USB icon
@@PiyushNikam cool, good eye!
7:51 hey Linus. This is called a software RAID. Linux and FreeBSD are very well familiar with installing themselves sans the /boot partition on those. I thought you should know that the only downside of RAID is that RAID is always vendor-specific, no matter if your SATA/SAS controller offers quasi-hardware RAID, or you got a real hardware RAID, or software-defined RAID as with ZFS, btrfs or mdadm. No matter which way you go, when you migrate to a new RAID, you must make sure that the computer that migrates the data supports both types of RAIDs. Bare HDDs have vendor-specific headers written to them so that they actually are recognized by their RAID controller as members of an array. It's not something to worry about for tomorrow or even next year, but 10 years from now you might want to know that kind of stuff! I'm glad to see your presentation improved. Please keep up the good work.
I love TrueNas Im using this now for like seven months and I really love it. My server is waaaaaaay slower than this but I have built it from whatever parts I had + 2U server box...8bay 3,5 drives 24TB but it works.
Linus secretly praying that the CPU isn't enough so he can put a 64 core CPU in his home NAS
Electricity must be cheap in Canada. In Germany, I try to put as small (power efficient) CPU as possible in my NAS or Server to save money.
@@todortodorov940 innit bruv, like:
Mining: exists
RWE & Co: "But it won't profit you even slightly!"
@@todortodorov940 You can thank the green energy scam for that.
Just look at France, electricity is way more affordable.
@@vdoxsamp7283 I am 100% aware of this. I lived in Sweden before moving here, and having 85% of your electricity generated by cheap and reliable nuclear and hydroelectric power was a different story. In Germany you pay around 2-2½ times more. But as you said, the scam is here, and no matter how I vote for each election, my single vote is cancelled by the vote of the many greens and the scam lives on.
@@todortodorov940 nuclear is NOT cheap!
10:15 Word files (at least new ones in the docx format) are actually just zip files, so they probably wouldn't compress either.
Also it's insignificant compared to 8k+ 60fps raw videos.
@@lukasg4807 One would hope lmao.
Yes indeed, I didn't know this either. At our company we've moved to Asciidoc for this exact reason
Dunno how they are storyboarding their content (if they even are?) but Office docs use a medium Zip compression, so you can throw them at 7zip and compress the ever-loving hell out of them. It usually gets another 25% of space.
@@docferringer I have a feeling that activating system wide (storage) compression would just use more CPU for no real benefit. Movies will not get smaller and .docx/.odt files are much, much smaller to make a difference.
This was the funniest LTT that I have watched in a while! Jake was the perfect "straight man" (meaning deadpan NOT preference) and Linus being Linus. very entertaining and informative!
Congrats on moving to the best solution. We used to have softraid and hardraid solutions here, including Windows dynamic disks. But once you go ZFS, you never go back.
Who uses zfs?
@@eng3d We do in our datacenter, and we don't wanna go back, honestly. I use it at home as well, and i don't wanna have anything else, this thing is so absolutely stable and easy to use.
For optimal ssd performance you want ashift size * (number of drives - parity) to be as close as possible to your record size or could be multiplied to be close to the record size evenly. This decreases fragmentation and pushes to disk faster. For nvme pools this is hugely helpful.
Don't forget to figure out your ashift properly and set it correctly. This is a huge performance suck in systems like this.
I spent a fair amount of time testing 10x nvme systems on zfs for VM workloads.
From my experience, ashift does not matter as much as does recordsize. This is because basically cannot get ashift past 16 i.e. 64KB, but you *can* get recordsize all the way to 1MB (it's a different question if you should). My experience is running some 12 NVMEs in a single RAID0 vdev (temporary files, when chia was still a thing)
@@bronekkozicki6356 ashift needs to match the drives native block size. Don't change it to match that formula. However setting record size to match that formula really does help. If you're mismatched on the ashift vs drives, you'll rely on the drive cache to fix fragmentation which drives are really good at. However if you're not matching the formula, you're relying on zfs to fix fragmentation, which increases write caching before data can be flushed to disk for no reason other than to fix fragmented blocks.
and don't forget to spell "ashift" correctly, your server is working too hard to deal with that kind of language
Same, had 20 4U servers with zfs and iscsi pools full of images and another mega pool full of VM's, ashift benchmarks and in every way could be imagined and possible. Is very addictive and entertaining!
@@johnlocke9609 WAT?
You *Lost* me there... :-/
I love when Linus makes a joke and he waits for a reaction. Nobody gives him one.
Story of my life... Becoming a dad didn't help ;p
remind me of office tv show
These videos are completely rehearsed.
@@NZobservatory you rehearsed writing these comments before posting them
what if that's the reaction he's looking for?...
I love these style of videos; just fun to watch
This is my favorite video you've posted. Glad to see you branching out from Windows.
"Our chunks are pretty big."
Jake might have not gotten it, Linus, but I did, and I chuckled.
I think Linus was expecting a reaction on this but he quickly realised that Jake didn't get it and moved on :D
These types of videos are my favorite on LTT! The loose banter, brain-mashing, and interesting topics are all great.
they wouldnt have any problems if they would just use enterprise hardware and not such crappy solutions. what they do it really bad everytime they talk about "servers" and "storage". their storage performs really bad compared to any real solution on the market.
@@tamron6014 yeah this video really showed their lack of knowledge on the topic. But most of his fans tune in for the “banter” and “oh look I dropped something” moments
@@codycast there’s also a morbid curiosity when you know you are watching someone do something incorrectly.
@@Sillybutts 👍🏼
I think on storage spaces you should have dedicated a few drives to write-back cache. Then Windows will write directly to these drives without having to worry about parity, then it can get flushed out to the big pool over time.
You cracked me up on this one, great video
“Let’s just give it a sec here”
*Server turns into a 737 Max*
Nah, it didn't crash
welcome to the server world kid i dont know of any server that isnt loud as f...
@@SimonBauer7 Water submerged servers: Am I a joke to you?
@@SimonBauer7 working in data centers for my company is always much fun with headphones ^^
The next Whonnok will be Whonnok One.
Electronics companies have taught me how to count.
Whonnok Series SSD
Jesus I haven't watched an LTT video in quite a few months and the moment I click on the first one Linus almost drops something. Legendary
I grew up in Whonnock. Really neat to see a server name constantly revived that reflects where I grew up.
Wth does ‘whonnock’ even mean?
(Meaning, why call a storage server, ‘whonnock’?)
5:22 Honestly, two things, but TL;DR FreeBSD has my respect just as much as anything Linux-based
1. always use the right tool for the job. Linux-based operating systems tend to be pretty good (at least, more often than Windows), but that's not strictly guaranteed.
2. FreeBSD (and anything derived therefrom) is a sensible choice. Makes some design decisions that make it comparable to Linux if not better, plus ZFS is a native FreeBSD project so it'll always be a pretty good match. Heck, it has a built-in Linux binary compatibility layer (plus solid virtualization support). When my Framework gets here, I might switch to it. (Currently on Gentoo - basically a BSD-style OS but with Linux for a kernel - for the better driver support on my existing systems.) Heck, most Linux users will probably respect FreeBSD.
>ZFS is a native FreeBSD project Was not true, (the native one was illumos (as ZFS originated on Solaris and illumos is OpenSolaris successor) and it was ported to freebsd), double not true anymore. OpenZFS 2.0 is native to Linux since it basically grewup from ZFS on Linux. Well, current codebase is unified with both Linux and FreeBSD so they should have parity with features, so no problem with that.
ZFS would work great on Linux and not be module jank if Oracle would just relicense the project ffs. It has the CDDL SPECIFICALLY to be incompatible with Linux.
I respect FreeBSD, sure, but I'd never use it as my desktop OS. Linux is far better suited for that.
I’m looking forward to the day I need a laptop upgrade. I’m very interested in the Framework laptop. Right now I have FreeBSD 13.0 running on my Thinkpad T480 right now and it’s great. It’s also been a beast for 4 years on my server
@@tralphstreet Linux really does have a great desktop experience. All the GUI knobs work and it has all the electron apps you want. I switched to FreeBSD for my desktop bc I really like administering to FreeBSD better than Linux and I got so tired of distro hopping, trying to find the “right” distro for me. FreeBSD you have to spend time in the command line to do stuff that just works in the GUI on Linux, but that’s something that doesn’t bother me at all. I still put my family on Linux computers lol. Makes my life way easier
"Is our one and only production network editing server."
That had the network engineer in me internally screaming about a single point of failure in the prod environment.
As a network guy, most of what LTT does has me wondering "WTF, mate?"
These people would work well in government with the mentality of "throw more hardware at the problem". I mean, halfway decent monitoring and administration would root out most of these problems before they became problems.
But hey, whatever. Entertainment for the masses.
They're probably in a position where they could get a replacement server going in a day or two and the effort required to have redundancy isn't worth the one-off instance where a single point of failure happens
Also imma counter my own argument by saying that it would be costly for that many editors to take a day off, but as A C said, "Entertainment for the masses".
they have both a seperate onsite and offsite backup server
@@ChrisJones-gd2no Data backup and redundant production servers aren't the same thing. The backups keep them from losing any work if something breaks, but they would still lose the ability to do new work if New New Whonnock failed.
08:50 - "[Jake] There's a bunch of hard drives under there, stop slapping it" - Well that is technically not true 😅
LTT Folks - Mirrored VDEV's would likely yield a dramatic increase in iops compared to RAIDZ, of course you guys would have far less usable space but the performance would most likely be substantially better than what you are seeing with RAIDZ. Either way, nice setup.
Back in the dark ages when I was getting my CS degree there was a “computer room” on campus that held 2 IBM mainframes. Only one was in use. I asked why and they said the other one was dropped bringing it in.
What college was it at?
Irish Times, back in the early 80s, took delivery of six Atex modified PDP-11 units. They had to be hoisted by crane through a second floor window. Only five made it. The sixth dropped to the street below, a very expensive 3-D jigsaw puzzle.
@@andrewyong3389 Old Dominion U. According to the techs they used it for spares.
10:48 "Yeah because why would you want things to just work immediately"
Well, they do, but it means you rely on someone else's best guess of what settings should be instead of, you know, properly tuning the one storage server that your whole business depends on for best performance.
And when are you going to do it actually properly, i.e., not using a software package meant for consumers?
Agree with WSS and RAM cache. When I was using 8 HDDs in parity mode it always consumed a lot of RAM and after few minutes write speed drops a lot. But for some unknown reason when I added 4 additional HDD drives in this pool that cache thing went away.
So cool! We love your content! 😄
2:35 that's some fast preemptive reflexes there,
Not to jab on Linus but it's probably from experience
I can't believe how many people work their editing videos that are all about the equipment they use to edit the videos. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy
So true!
I like this channel so much because I learn something new everytime.
Listening to this half asleep when Jake says "We have to make a data set." My mind heard him say "We have to make a Datasette." (The "Datasette: was the tape drive used with early VIC 20 and C64 computers...) Oh wow, everything that's old is new again. Starts making me wonder how long many years it would take to load a 1 MB file from the good old Commodore tape drive. Hey, I got laugh out of it. :p
I really love to see Jake advance from his beginning at LTT to now. You have become a well prepared and wise man, learned alot about server tech. It seems you follow Anthony's presenting style and its lovely!
Keep it up :)
Nah, Jake comes off as that annoying cousin that nobody wants around.
Anthony has charm, Jake is just annoying and that pedostache doesn't do him any good.
@@GoldSrc_ Jealous much? Projecting your own insecurities much?
@@furryking8723 No.
I have those annoying cousins that want to be part of everything, and Jake behaves the same, using the same forced laugh that my annoying cousins use.
It helps if you are not a fanboy so you can see what I mean.
Anthony always comes off as charming and wholesome, Jake is just annoying, hell, even the other editors that LMG has don't come off as annoying as him.
14:10 - one of the only times I noticed high queue depth from a "consumer" application was actually running DOOM 2016 and Eternal via proton on Linux. Level loading had an average queue depth of ~30.
That's interesting and pretty good actually. More games could be a lot less IO choked on loading if they used NCQ, async IO and MT this well. Including on spinny bois.
That being said the IO requirements of games aren't that... hot anyway so far.
Oh i know a thing. Second Life client. It shreds pretty hard. I should measure someday. On the other hand, it has... software inefficiencies, which are pretty horrid. Yeah i'm not assuming it will turn out one way or another, really need to measure.
Doom 2016 is really well optimised, they did a great job with it.
@Linus Tech Tips - set the network cards to jumbo frames and make sure any and all switches you have can handle them. Then set workstations to jumbo frames
Yep, you definitely did IT properly! I had NO idea what you guys were talking about! LOL!
Well, you know the old saying: "The screens are always bluer on your side."
That’s a good one. Ima save that xD
Very big brained move doing stuff like this onprem at LMG, since you get to make content about stuff you're gonna do already. Good vid. Great to see some BSD stuff and realistic IT-related content.
Love the videos. Jake Tech Tips on this one though. I have a plex server set up on a dock- eventually would like to get a nas set up- but I don't really have Media or work with Media like these guys do. How many editors are there- and how many videos aren't released that are coming! Looks like a lootttttt of Media coming our way. Great Video. Glad to see more folks getting away from the World of Windows. OpenSource is the way.
I've been using TrueNAS Scale for several months now. Gets a high rating from me. I use it for the OS for the data servers for my deep learning servers.
It's always the same in this kind of videos, Linus and his team work very hard to improve the server, they do it, they test it, they see measurable improvements, they deploy it, they ask their editors, their editors: "Is not worst, I can work with this."
16:35 Linus' dropping powers have become so strong that he doesn't even have to touch the stuff anymore.
It's contagious
He's clumsy. Just like me and my mom.
"Abuse the force, Linus."
Hi Linus, how are you? Thanks for all videos you've shared over the years (Think I've watched most of them) :) Don't get me wrong, I like Linux and I'm running a mixed environment of several hundreds of servers (running mostly Windows). I've never had those problems that you seem to experience :)
...hm makes perfect sense. Also I like the graffity walls! Would like to see more of that!
"there's a bunch of hard drives under there. stop slapping it!" lmfao literally kept rewinding it over and over again. thank you for the laugh
LOL i did the same thing, the first time he slapped it thats what i was thinking, then he does it again and the dude says that lol, i rewinded it like 4 times
Particularly funny since they're all SSDs what don't *care*...
@@baylinkdashyt There are 2 4U servers right under it. Since I have experience swapping heads on a HDD, I'm always on my toes when near a running one.
@@baylinkdashyt That was my first thought: SSDs, so what about slapping it? Could probably throw it across the room if it didn't have the systemboard and PS in there to get hurt.
Worth it for the meme tho
The first thing I was gonna ask is "why not BSD?" Ended up being BSD I love that.
TrueNAS will go Linux in the long run though i suppose. They want to wedge themselves into the object storage market.
@@peterpain6625 I don't know, BSD is 100% free. Linux is kinda corrupted
@@jlebrech True. I made a "fudge-you-torvalds" patch for our internal kernel rpms with included openzfs to make it even work ;)
@@peterpain6625 Linus was kinda me too'd and was forced to allow corporate patches to the kernel via community weirdos
Hehe same for me. I was like: "Linux? Why not *BSD with ZFS?"
"We're going Linux baby! We're doing it right!" Yea! Now if only _more_ people would learn this lesson and give Microsoft the boot it so justly deserves. I love my Linux gaming tower. I even run VR games on it, and not a Winders partition in sight.
Please share the secrets contained within
@@ikannunaplays the secret is just play games that are on steam and support running on linux. thats it
@@fr4me.01 "how to switch from Windows to Linux to play your Steam games:
Step 1: Use Linux games lmao"
My desktop dual boots Windows 10 and Gentoo. My laptop and home server run FreeBSD. The rest of the family prefers Windows, so I have it for them. Having Windows available is also useful for testing to see if performance under Wine is on par with native Windows. There are also still a few games that don't yet run properly on Wine.
Hey Linus, you know they make armored fiber. I am sure you knew this. But some thing you may not have know is a company name Fiber store or FS for sort. Nice thing is the custom sizes and it is cheap. it saved me from have to put in conduit with all my runs. Also the added cost per run. I though to my self there has to be a better way to do this! Aka Armor fiber cable. I know they have OM4 And OM5 depending on your needs.
There have been many times have I've spent weeks upgrading servers, to then survey the users to get "It's about the same, maybe slower!" welcome to server IT Linus!....but the ultimate goal is that the data is always avaiable ;-)
Integrity
Availability
Performance
You go to servers if you want them in this order.
You can configure a server to be performance first, but there will be other servers and systems in the background taking care of the other 2 points
Quite entertaining 😁 I'd love to see a reaction video from an EMC technician.
One drive failure? They should have gone with a vsan solution
The Linux lord himself in the house 🤘
Yooo Chris over here! Hi Chris, your channel's awesome!
@Dermot McCann don't fuckin' start, dude 😂😂
@Dermot McCann Oh s*it! HERE WE GO AGAIN -_-
Good Leader, making professionals with experience
Idk if you guys have already done this, but could you do a video in depth about server motherboards, CPUs, ram, memory, and power supply components / specs for looking for server grade components for a small home or office server? It might be a little niche for a video, but I've been a bit fascinated by it but the info I've found has been a bit vague and hard to find when it comes to choosing server motherboards and other components.
"As you can see it's not the weekend"
*Meanwhile it's Sunday here*
Linus is my inspiration!! My mom said that if I got 25k subscribers!! She definitely buy me a professional poop plug!! begging you GUYS alot literally begging..
@@swadplan Please, kindly, shut up.
@@swadplan seriously, how many times are you going to spam this garbage? Get lost.
Regardless of video topic, I'm just really amazed by the amount of staff Linus Media Group now employs... when you think that all of that came from videos to review things. Congrats Linus !
This is the first LTT I've watched in years.
Thumbs up, good approach and nice summary of your setup! IMHO favoring the BSD based implementation in TrueNAS was a good choice as well, the implementation seems a bit more sturdy.
You might want to check your disk layout, in terms of disk's sector sizes and matching stripe sizes. This is about data alignment on the disks and avoiding multiple sector-writes, which can impact the write speed and also disk space. Generally, you want ti make sure the data disks' sector sizes fit into a standard 128KB block. Example: RaidZ2 with 6 disks (= 4 data disks + 2 parity so to say), you calculate 128kB block size by 4 disks and get 32kB per disk, which can be cleanly divided by the disks' sector size of 4kB (for modern drives). So that setup would fit optimal, a stripe is evenly
divided across all disks without any half sectors being used.
Regarding your fairly low CPU usage .. your CPU is probably a bit overkill for the application, as ZFS has been developed with CPU load in scope. They use pretty blazingly fast hash algorithms, so your setup could possibly be able to catch even higher workloads in case you plan to add another disk shelf. (And don't slap the shelf, he's right .. google for "shouting in the datacenter" and be amazed ;) )
Do you run the pool with spinning disks or on all-flash drives? You talked about trim parameters, so you probably have SSDs in place. If you use spinning disks for "cheap" capacity, you might want to consider adding a (mirrored! you don't want to lose the data!) SSD as ZIL (ZFS intent log, it's basically acting like a write cache and journal) to your zpool. This gives the FS a bit more space to breathe. You can also take a look at "l2arc" (layer 2 adaptive replacement cache = the ZFS read cache) but i assume with your disks you probably don't need it.
Just do yourself a favor and keep the allocation below 80% .. you might start to face increasingly serious degradation if you overshoot that border more and more, so keep that in mind and keep a close monitoring on that value.
Do you use zfs techniques for snapshots and data replication?
Feel free to ping me if you need some more info on ZFS!