It was a small gripe I personally really liked the overall production. It being free and having adds for sure beats paying. However they did have $3m in funding so I don’t think adds were a necessity. Only part that really annoyed me was it potentially spoiling matches by skipping forward 20 seconds. -Calum
@@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf how do you think they afford it ?! Advertising and sponsors how isn’t it necessary?! It should be free and No sponsors gettin credit ?! Largest pay day in grappling history gotta make some $ back and advertising is how they could afford super fights etc .. also don’t forget Charity needs $ too 😏
They could afford it because they were funded $3m to do the show. $2.32m on cash prize and show money for the two divisions and the rest on production, super fights, venue ect. Like I said not a major gripe, just something I’m brining up as a small negative amongst many positives while reviewing the show. If they want to make some money back with ads that’s cool but it did make the show a lot longer and they were given enough money to run the show from the person funding it.
The arena didn’t seem that empty? Yes, the photos floating around for the first few matches were empty but later in the night it definitely filled up. Also, they had what 2-3 months to sell tickets? If they put it on a different weekend from ADCC, no doubt in my mind it would have sold out. 100k+ concurrent viewers for 9 hours is seriously impressive.
I think there were a lot of empty seats, I personally don’t really care about this as I know they were in a very tough position trying to sell tickets when they locked the same weekend as adcc, I know Ross cares more about this though and we’ll get into that in the recap. -Calum
They picked the date, times, venue and athletes. They have to be judged on that from a promotional perspective. The reason it’s interesting is so everyone can learn and hopefully there will be improvements in the future. We all want the sport to grow. - Ross
@@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf but surely you must understand it wasn’t about selling tickets. Ticket sales were extra for charity, the whole point of the event was to increase grappler pay, that’s why they purposely chose that date and time.
@@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf 7500 tickets sold and average ticket was probably 200 1,500,000 just on ticket sales . and the tickets cast more tonight .. if they do the same that's 3 MILLION on just tickets ,,,
@@speardjinn5085 7500 tickets sold and average ticket was probably 200 1,500,000 just on ticket sales . and the tickets cast more tonight .. if they do the same that's 3 MILLION on just tickets ,,,
The rounds have been fine. Only thing I’m not a fan of is folk getting the chance to repull to a well established hard to pass guard at the start of a round. Especially when the action was progressing at the end of the previous round. It hampers the flow of the match. But overall, if two guys are always willing to engage and scrap, the break is OK. - Ross
@@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf this aged well but in all honestly it’s not even the slightest surprise. Hyped to see ur boys thoughts on Cji and Adcc as a whole
CJI being free is huge for the sport 100% we deal with the ads. For the sport to grow easy access to events is necessary. Over 80 i felt like intensity was missing for alot of the matches it didnt feel like $1M was in the line Under 80: BANG OUTSSSS
Was expecting a lot more issues considering the El Segundo podcast is yet to have a podcast without awful audio 😂 I think the next one needs to structure the matches a bit better because 9 hours in one day is insane but overall really impressed
Same here, it was the only way to do it in the uk without getting the matches spoiled as we had to watch it the next day. Definitely need to be present when watching as well, you can miss key action if you check your phone at the wrong time.
Complete dominance, morsels from a positional perspective but he did go for an armbar and guillotine on Nicky Ryan, just wasn’t able to get them. Incredible performances though.
Why is everyone acting like tye getting hurt somehow diminishes what levy did? Levy CAUSED the injury DURING the match...isn't that kind of the whole point of submission grappling? Not levy's fault tye would rather get injured then tap.
I think it’s fair to say Levi did really well but also that Tye may have been hampered by injury. And the injury may have been caused by a transitional attempt, not a sub attempt. But two things can be true at the same time. I don’t think it takes away from Levi’s win. Rather it contextualises Tye’s performance. - Ross
Good point I don’t think we know exactly what caused the injury but the goal of the match is to choke each other and damage each others limbs and that’s what Levi did. That being said, could have been a freak accident, do you know for sure it was a leg lock attempt from Levi that caused the injury?
@@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yfI don't think anyone can for sure say what exactly causes the injury besides Tye or Levi...that being said, it could be argued that Levi not only attempted subs, but put Tye into compromising situations that also could lead to an injury. I think contextualizing what happened in the way that it's being contextualized lends closer to the idea that a bjj match is supposed to be injury free until a submission which just isn't how bjj works in competition. For example, if Tye were to slam Levi in a takedown attempt and Levi was injured from it, Tye would be considered more skillful, not really a "oh but levi got injured so he couldn't continue" type of scenario.
i do see what your saying though, but my main thing is that in competition, if you get injured in any way...that's on you. Either from lack of conditioning, lack of preparation, or less technical skill. If Tye passed Levi's guard, he wouldn't have gotten injured.
This dude see what Adcc crowd looked like? Lmao and keep in mind when you free stream something people are not gonna show up. 109k that o saw live in youtube
They picked the dates, times and city. It looked busier day 2. Certainly not full. They didn’t use a big chunk of the arena behind the walkway for starters. Heard 7,000 for day one which is OK. But well shy of capacity. The official figures, especially for day 2 will be interesting.
@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf They got the city and timing correct. The whole premise of the event was that it would be directly competing with ADCC so they had to do the same weekend. They were in fact very clever with that though and made their timings different so fans could go to both. Picking the same city was also a great idea because although lots of people had already brought ADCC tickets and would not buy another ticket, there were lots of hard core/ wealthy fans already there to watch BJJ that would be up for going to both events. From people I have spoken to Saturday evening was full. Also, athlete coaches would already be going to the city, it might not have worked if they needed to coach people at ADCC and CJI if it wasn't held so close. Reducing the arena size was again a good idea, clearly knew it would be unrealistic to try and sell out the whole thing. Definitely things they can work on, but I think when discussing the empty seat all the factors that went into the event are worth pointing out. Keep up the videos!
@@jamess3408 Thanks for taking the time to get in touch. First off, I'll leave talking a lot about whether Saturday was 'full' or 'sold out' (same thing) until we get the numbers. But, it didn't look that way to me when we got the chance to see the arena wide. Selling tickets helps with two things for CJI - attracting future sponsors outside their current bubble and the feel of the show. On the second point they had a great crowd and shot it well, so it worked out well. On the first point, drawing 7,000 (the only number I've read so far) to a 15,000 arena, shall we say, leaves room for improvement. It's a talking point - sell those seats and it's not. And while it was OK from a sales perspective, there's still the question of what if they went somewhere like LA, could they have sold out a big venue? - which they could then take to potential broadcasters and sponsors in an effort to make the event sustainable. Or if they went the weekend before ADCC but in Vegas, they could take all the shine (or a lot of it) and potentially pack more fans in the building. Ultimately, it shouldn't be about increasing athlete pay for one event. It should be about building a promotion that is sustainable. Thanks again for getting in touch. I don't think there are 'right' answers on all of this. But there are plenty of talking points worth exploring. -Ross
I agree, I think CJI day one was a great success, production was amazing and the jiu jitsu was unreal. I’ll let Ross get more into his points about the numbers on the next episode. I think he’s just interested in the dialogue about whose show was more successful from a viewer and spectator point of view. -Calum
The only time I saw scores that might have given a guy a 10-9 but then the other judges gave the 10-9 to his competition were in very close rounds that may e go either way
7500 tickets sold and average ticket was probably 200 1,500,000 just on ticket sales . and the tickets cast more tonight .. if they do the same that's 3 MILLION on just tickets ..
@@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf it's an unrealistic "gripe". No one wants to watch ads but it was completely expected as were any production glitches and other 1st time issues.
I don’t think there were any production glitches or much issues in general the shows ran amazing. My issue was with the UA-cam ads in particular being in a live stream and flashing forward in the match which can ruin things.
Yes, although I don’t believe it’s the total of unique people who watched. I think one person can go in and out of the dream and count as multiple views. - Ross (Calum doesn’t care about this stuff)
Tackett was awful. No one wants to see him laying on people doing nothing repeatedly! Either be submitting or keep it moving. Hope he doesn't make it to the finals tacky as hell
I want to see him. Thought his matches were some of the most entertaining and impressive of the night. He did try to submit Nicky, had him in an arm bar and guillotine, turns out though it’s not easy to submit world class black belts. Regardless his performances over Nicky and Eoghan were extremely impressive and I think most people found them very entertaining. That being said I can understand not being a fan of the show boating and going for wet willies ect in dominant positions. I can appreciate why someone would find that tacky and disrespectful.
@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf Sorry, I have to disagree. Besides the tacky show boating, he DIDNT finish crap. He layed and prayed. Your friends, I get it, but let's be honest. If the other wrestlers didn't win, Tackett shouldn't either. He layed on top cause he was 2 afraid to do actual bjj. Disappointing. Call his ass out
Completely disagree. There is a monumental difference between what the wrestlers did and what Andrew did. The wrestlers really did nothing on the ground. Andrew however completely dismantled Nicky and Eoghans guards and positionally dominated them. He did go for subs like I said against Nicky. However you don’t need to finish every match for it to be a good performance. From a guard passing pinning and positional control perspective it was a masterclass. It’s also hard to submit someone from a pin when they just shell up, hence why Nicky Ryan was called for stalling from bottom side control and not Andrew.
@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf Andrew couldn't finish 2 guys, laying on them 15 MINUTES straight. He didn't take a lot of chances, not entertaining remotely, just cringe. This is for a million bucks. And it's not just because he couldn't finish he didn't even come close, played it safe. So much hype around them, I think. Regardless, people are going to act like they are amazing. I don't care if he could spin around on top of them 5 times. He still did nothing but lay. Butt in face, that's about it. Pass gaurd and try to submit if not get back up. GSP had the same technique, and everyone started to turn on him cause it's boring as he'll.
Of course there was advertising dude. It’s FREE 🙈
It was a small gripe I personally really liked the overall production. It being free and having adds for sure beats paying. However they did have $3m in funding so I don’t think adds were a necessity. Only part that really annoyed me was it potentially spoiling matches by skipping forward 20 seconds.
-Calum
@@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf how do you think they afford it ?! Advertising and sponsors how isn’t it necessary?! It should be free and No sponsors gettin credit ?! Largest pay day in grappling history gotta make some $ back and advertising is how they could afford super fights etc .. also don’t forget Charity needs $ too 😏
They could afford it because they were funded $3m to do the show. $2.32m on cash prize and show money for the two divisions and the rest on production, super fights, venue ect.
Like I said not a major gripe, just something I’m brining up as a small negative amongst many positives while reviewing the show. If they want to make some money back with ads that’s cool but it did make the show a lot longer and they were given enough money to run the show from the person funding it.
@@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf THEY NEED $ For charity?!
@@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf #Charity doesn’t need $ ?
The arena didn’t seem that empty? Yes, the photos floating around for the first few matches were empty but later in the night it definitely filled up. Also, they had what 2-3 months to sell tickets? If they put it on a different weekend from ADCC, no doubt in my mind it would have sold out. 100k+ concurrent viewers for 9 hours is seriously impressive.
I think there were a lot of empty seats, I personally don’t really care about this as I know they were in a very tough position trying to sell tickets when they locked the same weekend as adcc, I know Ross cares more about this though and we’ll get into that in the recap.
-Calum
They picked the date, times, venue and athletes. They have to be judged on that from a promotional perspective. The reason it’s interesting is so everyone can learn and hopefully there will be improvements in the future. We all want the sport to grow.
- Ross
@@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf but surely you must understand it wasn’t about selling tickets. Ticket sales were extra for charity, the whole point of the event was to increase grappler pay, that’s why they purposely chose that date and time.
@@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf 7500 tickets sold and average ticket was probably 200 1,500,000 just on ticket sales . and the tickets cast more tonight .. if they do the same that's 3 MILLION on just tickets ,,,
@@speardjinn5085 7500 tickets sold and average ticket was probably 200 1,500,000 just on ticket sales . and the tickets cast more tonight .. if they do the same that's 3 MILLION on just tickets ,,,
I was not sure about the 3 5 minute rounds, but I think the 1 minute break in between the rounds, really kept the action going.
The rounds have been fine. Only thing I’m not a fan of is folk getting the chance to repull to a well established hard to pass guard at the start of a round. Especially when the action was progressing at the end of the previous round. It hampers the flow of the match. But overall, if two guys are always willing to engage and scrap, the break is OK.
- Ross
Kade vs Tackett is gonna be mental. Can’t see it going any other way but being crazy plus they haven’t even grappled before. So hyped
Yeah both are so aggressive and active and neither will accept bottom, been so many crazy matches already but that one could top it
@@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf this aged well but in all honestly it’s not even the slightest surprise. Hyped to see ur boys thoughts on Cji and Adcc as a whole
@@yunghab4571 We'll be back on Tuesday covering both shows.
Both video and audio were great - a world better than Flo. Thanks Callum and Ross for this quick followup
Yeah, you can really see the contrast watching adcc after, big win for CJI in the production and stream quality. Thanks for the comment mate!
CJI being free is huge for the sport 100% we deal with the ads. For the sport to grow easy access to events is necessary.
Over 80 i felt like intensity was missing for alot of the matches it didnt feel like $1M was in the line
Under 80: BANG OUTSSSS
Yeah I enjoyed the over 80 bracket but under 80 was absolutely goated lived up to the hype, so many amazing matches
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Thanks for watching.
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I got zero UA-cam ads on either day.. i watched the full 9hours day 1 and all of the second day
Do you have something like UA-cam premium? We both had ads appear.
Was expecting a lot more issues considering the El Segundo podcast is yet to have a podcast without awful audio 😂 I think the next one needs to structure the matches a bit better because 9 hours in one day is insane but overall really impressed
Yeah good shout from them hiring a professional media company instead of winging it themselves, maybe flo should do the same 😂
I watched Cji by turning my phone off for the day. No social media. Then skipped to all the match’s. It’s the only way to watch bjj
Same here, it was the only way to do it in the uk without getting the matches spoiled as we had to watch it the next day. Definitely need to be present when watching as well, you can miss key action if you check your phone at the wrong time.
Nicky Rod won the competition and he's a wrestler.
No he’s a grappler and a black belt in jiu jitsu
Andrew Tackett seemed dominant. It seemed like he had positional control dominance. Did I miss it … Did he go for many submission attempts?
Off the top of my head I don’t remember many sub attempts but his grappling was awesome.
Complete dominance, morsels from a positional perspective but he did go for an armbar and guillotine on Nicky Ryan, just wasn’t able to get them. Incredible performances though.
@bobhendel4808 You didn't miss much. He had just as many attempts at finishing as the 2 he sat on for 15 minutes straight.
Why is everyone acting like tye getting hurt somehow diminishes what levy did? Levy CAUSED the injury DURING the match...isn't that kind of the whole point of submission grappling? Not levy's fault tye would rather get injured then tap.
I think it’s fair to say Levi did really well but also that Tye may have been hampered by injury. And the injury may have been caused by a transitional attempt, not a sub attempt. But two things can be true at the same time. I don’t think it takes away from Levi’s win. Rather it contextualises Tye’s performance.
- Ross
Good point I don’t think we know exactly what caused the injury but the goal of the match is to choke each other and damage each others limbs and that’s what Levi did. That being said, could have been a freak accident, do you know for sure it was a leg lock attempt from Levi that caused the injury?
@@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yfI don't think anyone can for sure say what exactly causes the injury besides Tye or Levi...that being said, it could be argued that Levi not only attempted subs, but put Tye into compromising situations that also could lead to an injury.
I think contextualizing what happened in the way that it's being contextualized lends closer to the idea that a bjj match is supposed to be injury free until a submission which just isn't how bjj works in competition. For example, if Tye were to slam Levi in a takedown attempt and Levi was injured from it, Tye would be considered more skillful, not really a "oh but levi got injured so he couldn't continue" type of scenario.
i do see what your saying though, but my main thing is that in competition, if you get injured in any way...that's on you. Either from lack of conditioning, lack of preparation, or less technical skill. If Tye passed Levi's guard, he wouldn't have gotten injured.
This dude see what Adcc crowd looked like? Lmao and keep in mind when you free stream something people are not gonna show up. 109k that o saw live in youtube
It was their decision to free stream and that may well have caused people not to buy tickets. ADCC will be judged on what ADCC does. Let’s see.
- Ross
I was at both days of both events. Peak for peak, I genuinely would say ADCC had more people.
You have to remember how little time they had to sell tickets and most people that would go already had tickets to ADCC. Very full second day.
They picked the dates, times and city. It looked busier day 2. Certainly not full. They didn’t use a big chunk of the arena behind the walkway for starters. Heard 7,000 for day one which is OK. But well shy of capacity. The official figures, especially for day 2 will be interesting.
@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf They got the city and timing correct. The whole premise of the event was that it would be directly competing with ADCC so they had to do the same weekend. They were in fact very clever with that though and made their timings different so fans could go to both. Picking the same city was also a great idea because although lots of people had already brought ADCC tickets and would not buy another ticket, there were lots of hard core/ wealthy fans already there to watch BJJ that would be up for going to both events. From people I have spoken to Saturday evening was full. Also, athlete coaches would already be going to the city, it might not have worked if they needed to coach people at ADCC and CJI if it wasn't held so close. Reducing the arena size was again a good idea, clearly knew it would be unrealistic to try and sell out the whole thing. Definitely things they can work on, but I think when discussing the empty seat all the factors that went into the event are worth pointing out. Keep up the videos!
@@jamess3408 Thanks for taking the time to get in touch. First off, I'll leave talking a lot about whether Saturday was 'full' or 'sold out' (same thing) until we get the numbers. But, it didn't look that way to me when we got the chance to see the arena wide.
Selling tickets helps with two things for CJI - attracting future sponsors outside their current bubble and the feel of the show. On the second point they had a great crowd and shot it well, so it worked out well. On the first point, drawing 7,000 (the only number I've read so far) to a 15,000 arena, shall we say, leaves room for improvement. It's a talking point - sell those seats and it's not.
And while it was OK from a sales perspective, there's still the question of what if they went somewhere like LA, could they have sold out a big venue? - which they could then take to potential broadcasters and sponsors in an effort to make the event sustainable.
Or if they went the weekend before ADCC but in Vegas, they could take all the shine (or a lot of it) and potentially pack more fans in the building.
Ultimately, it shouldn't be about increasing athlete pay for one event. It should be about building a promotion that is sustainable.
Thanks again for getting in touch. I don't think there are 'right' answers on all of this. But there are plenty of talking points worth exploring.
-Ross
This dude is a flog.... the CJI day one was a massivr success
I agree, I think CJI day one was a great success, production was amazing and the jiu jitsu was unreal.
I’ll let Ross get more into his points about the numbers on the next episode. I think he’s just interested in the dialogue about whose show was more successful from a viewer and spectator point of view.
-Calum
I told you man don’t sleep on Levi. You guys put him low on the list you made, but i understand why. Nobody saw him making it to the finals.
I think both things are true. We ranked him fairly based on our criteria. He had a great run that few people predicted.
The only time I saw scores that might have given a guy a 10-9 but then the other judges gave the 10-9 to his competition were in very close rounds that may e go either way
Yeah I think the scoring was good, only times that happened was when the judges made mistakes which was then corrected and announced.
-Calum
7500 tickets sold and average ticket was probably 200 1,500,000 just on ticket sales . and the tickets cast more tonight .. if they do the same that's 3 MILLION on just tickets ..
That’s amazing if that’s the case, huge money raised for charity, looking forward to them releasing all the details on ticket sales and viewership.
Also across all platforms you are only counting youtube
Looking forward to Craig releasing the numbers and having a conversation about them soon
Well its at 1.5 million views now
That’s great numbers, look forward to going into the numbers in more detail in a longer recap.
-Calum
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yeah crazy to have advertising to pay for everything....wake up, dude.
It did drag on too long but it's the first one so what do you expect?
Advertising didn’t pay for everything, some anonymous rich guy did… dude.
It was a small gripe overall great show.
@@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf it's an unrealistic "gripe".
No one wants to watch ads but it was completely expected as were any production glitches and other 1st time issues.
I don’t think there were any production glitches or much issues in general the shows ran amazing. My issue was with the UA-cam ads in particular being in a live stream and flashing forward in the match which can ruin things.
When they said 1 million people watched they did not mean live viewers they meant people who went into the stream at some point
Yes, although I don’t believe it’s the total of unique people who watched. I think one person can go in and out of the dream and count as multiple views.
- Ross (Calum doesn’t care about this stuff)
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Tackett was awful. No one wants to see him laying on people doing nothing repeatedly! Either be submitting or keep it moving. Hope he doesn't make it to the finals tacky as hell
I want to see him. Thought his matches were some of the most entertaining and impressive of the night. He did try to submit Nicky, had him in an arm bar and guillotine, turns out though it’s not easy to submit world class black belts. Regardless his performances over Nicky and Eoghan were extremely impressive and I think most people found them very entertaining.
That being said I can understand not being a fan of the show boating and going for wet willies ect in dominant positions. I can appreciate why someone would find that tacky and disrespectful.
@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf Sorry, I have to disagree. Besides the tacky show boating, he DIDNT finish crap. He layed and prayed. Your friends, I get it, but let's be honest. If the other wrestlers didn't win, Tackett shouldn't either. He layed on top cause he was 2 afraid to do actual bjj. Disappointing. Call his ass out
Agreed, good take!
Completely disagree. There is a monumental difference between what the wrestlers did and what Andrew did. The wrestlers really did nothing on the ground. Andrew however completely dismantled Nicky and Eoghans guards and positionally dominated them. He did go for subs like I said against Nicky. However you don’t need to finish every match for it to be a good performance. From a guard passing pinning and positional control perspective it was a masterclass. It’s also hard to submit someone from a pin when they just shell up, hence why Nicky Ryan was called for stalling from bottom side control and not Andrew.
@JiuJitsuOracle-lz9yf Andrew couldn't finish 2 guys, laying on them 15 MINUTES straight. He didn't take a lot of chances, not entertaining remotely, just cringe. This is for a million bucks. And it's not just because he couldn't finish he didn't even come close, played it safe. So much hype around them, I think. Regardless, people are going to act like they are amazing. I don't care if he could spin around on top of them 5 times. He still did nothing but lay. Butt in face, that's about it. Pass gaurd and try to submit if not get back up. GSP had the same technique, and everyone started to turn on him cause it's boring as he'll.