I guess amnesty international doesn’t either considering they consider what Israel doing to be a genocide. Crazy people being obnoxious to someone defending genocide
Dear Jonathan, First of all, thank you very much for your courage to stand up and explain the Israeli side. Secondly, I think that in this Oxford forum with a hall full of opponents, the cries of contempt and interruptions to you and the other speakers are actually calls of fear, they are afraid to hear the other side and find out that they are actually wrong.
All the pro Israel speakers were brilliant especially Natasha Hausdorff ❤. How bravery she was, refused to be intimidated. Anyone with half a brain and not biased would have voted for the pro Israeli speakers.
I didn't think the Arabs did all that well because they spent too much time yelling. I know it's cultural but both of those men need to learn to tone it down. You want people to listen? Don't yell at them.
@ really!! I think they did well and they would not have yelled in less hostile environment. I have followed Mosab for decades and Hadad since then and they are civil in civil set ups. They were replying to their fellow arabs. Dont blame them. Its unbecoming to have had 8 body guards in Oxford!! Oxford. Seat of future leaders. School of brainy, ambitious and future political leaders. Shame on UK and Western world for taking money from nefarious sources and compromising their morals and etiquettes
Everything about this debate and the fact that the FULL debate is not available to view brings shame on Oxford University, the supporters of Hamas, and in general the supporters of any cause involving the Palestinians. It is yet one more event that shows the Justice of Israels response to the massacre of 7th October The supporters of terrorism have shot themselves in the foot one more time ........ Thank you for showing us who you are ,once more
Israel is carrying out mass murder. You think mass murder is an appropriate response to some unrelated dipshits in woke londonistan attempting censorship and commiting fraud?
Well we allowed the country to be colonised by various foreigners and our own native identity to be trashed so we shouldn’t be surprised when politics becomes tribalistic and unstable.
and yet here you are saying "Hamas" when everyone knows the majority of killing is women and children....so there is such a thing as a civilian population...like we need a debate for this
@@IBMCs2009 If you rely on hamas´ numbers, according to them Israel has killed only civilians. And all the numbers coming from the un comes from the gaza health ministery, and it´s actually all made up by hamas. Hamas registering "mohameds" as civilian women, and 31-year old men as babies. Just do your homework before posting bs.
@@IBMCs2009A recent study proves Hamas lied by saying men who were killed were women, & women were children, & people who died from illness died from bombs. You believe the lies of loud liars. Israel has the best combat to civilian casualty rate in modern urban warfare in the world. It's time for you to use critical thinking to reveal the lies.
Few months before October 7th i met a professor from England while traveling. She told me one of her classes in university was about the holocaust. after a while she decided to cancel that class because everytime the students would hear a description of jews dying or suffering many would openly express their joy. they we’re enjoying hearing about the suffering and death of jews during the worst genocide in history! Not Zionist oppressors but jews durning a genocide. This kind of behavior has been in England long before the war. And Palestine is and was really an excuse for many to express their jew hate.
Exactly. The Palestinian-Arabs started slaughtering Jews before Israel was re-founded. They were inspired & incited by Nazi ally - & founder of the Palestinian Liberation Movement - the Grand Mufti Husseini. He inspired the Hebron massacre of 1929 & planned with Hitler to extend the Final Solution to the Middle East - again all before Israel was even created.
As a jew most Muslims are perfectly normal people who want to live in peace and practice religion. Sadly many Muslims extremeists on social media and some fringe Muslims groups in general made a lot of polarization occur. I appreciate your comment and hope for peace and coexistence between the religions because I think Judaism and Islam are more similar than different having studied both
I’m not a muslim and i didn’t see anything wrong ! If you support geno cide apartheid state then you deserve ZERO respect or a red carpet treatment these people expected to get
Islam has turned into a "hindrance" to the entire world. While many mslms are perfectly decent people, a very large percentage are promoting vi olen t jihad and are "successful" at it. May be leaving the ideology is a start, as reforming seems to be impossible.
Jonathan when I watched the video of you speaking at that debate I thought you looked like Herzl :) Everybody on the Israeli team did an outstanding job telling the facts and truth despite the huge wave of hatred that you faced in that room. As an Israeli I thank you for not giving up and speak for Israel especially in the poisonous and violent anti Israel atmosphere basically everywhere now.
I guess they lost their legitimacy when nearly none of them raised their hands when were asked if they'd report the attack of october 7 if they would get information that it's going to happen
Marvelous discussion. If the audience expresses that they won't report OCT. 7 if they knew it would happen, then it leads to the idea that they are not concerned about human lives, but are instead prejudiced
Starting a war with an attack as savage and indiscriminate as the events that unfolded 7 October, then crying "genocide" on October 8 when the bill came due ... only one word for that: PATHETIC!
It is an arab "president" of the union what did you expect he would debate? Human rights in Saudi Arabia, female circumcision in Egypt? (he's Egyptian if I remember correctly)
As an American, I am disgusted by the disrespectful behavior of some of those students who were clearly antisemitic students. The speaker spoke respectfully and factually debunking all the lies by the opposition. Israel is a western democracy that invites Arabs, jews and Druze to live in peace. Facts don't care about feelings. I hope that the United States wakes up to the lies, stench and wickedness growing within. One truth from that brave speaker debunked all the lies of the opposition. God Bless the United States.
Norman Finkelstein is a dishonest man and a coward. Unbelievable this happened in the Oxford Union and they cropped out so much! Well done to Jonathan and the amazing team representing us! 💙🤍
It was more like the jeremy kyle show than a oxford union debate, the whole palestine/israel issue has been so perplexing. But one just needs to look at the oslo occords, the PA have the right to self determination, self governance, they need to stop the PA authorities martyrs fund, that teaches kids terrorism at school. Its not a apartheid state in israel,What scared me the most was the majority of students wouldnt report a terrorist attack.
Yeah that would be great! He can make a series where he review each one of the speeches per episode. It'll be super interesting, and would be amazing for the YT engagement.
When 90% of them said they would not report plans for Oct. 7, it was clear who they were. Natasha Hausdorff was an underappreciated speaker in this debate. She nailed it with facts and logic, and I was enthralled; she's an excellent speaker. Every one of the Israeli speakers was professional, coherent and factual and it is such a disturbing sign that people are siding with the 'screaming children' that ALL Oxford students have apparently become. The aggression that was shown to the Israeli speakers was just despicable and gets me worried for the future as these crazy terrorist sympathisers will just outshout and "out-violence" anyone who opposes their agenda. Anyone with any level of critical thinking can see the right side of history, and anything beyond that is wilful ignorance.
Jimmy Carter wrote the book "Apartheid" about Israel. I believe he started this antisemitic slur. He died yesterday, I definitely did not shed a tear. I said "about time!". Im the lone voice.
Thank you Jonathan. You are a hero to the Jewish community in the UK. In 2000 the then Labour government made the Oxbridge admissions process discriminate in favour of state school students against the independent/public school candidates which previously made up nearly all students accepted. From personal experience I know how ill-prepared comprehensive school students are for an Oxbridge education. You can see the slide in standards in this debate and even more publicly by the way Oxbridge universities are regularly trounced on BBC's 'University Challenge' by Russel Group universities which now receive the best students as a result of the change in the Oxbridge admissions process.
I've seen the original video which seemed uncivilized. the muslims girls seated behind jonathan really made the impression that islam is not about logic or free speech and essentially should be feared. you could definitely see that in the comments and critic of the way that oxford changing its face.
As a Palestinian Arab Muslim, I am so ashamed of how my people behave in public debates. I know exactly what you mean as I witnessed so many so called educated Palestinians debate and all what my ear and eyes witnessed was hooligans just shouting with no intention to debate or make anyone talk other than them and when they talk all what they spill is dirt baseless word salads and poetic speeches that take no one any where. I am ashamed of my nation
The bullying behaviour exhibited in this “debate” reflects how Oxford, and likely many other UK academic institutions, is a cesspool of Jew-hatred and how the quality of education is laughable. An Oxford grad cannot be taken seriously anymore.
I hope all the morons who were in attendance that day and voted they wouldn't have alerted the security services if they knew October 7th was going to happen were put on a watch list at the very least...
Maybe one of the Israeli speakers should have gone through victim after victim after victim of the Oct 7 massacre describing in detail of what happened to them. Hold up photos etc. Basically the world is sympathetic to the people of Gaza who are being “attacked” by Israel ….. and that clearly convinces the gullible.
That’s because the Israelis are rich, Palestinians are poor. Israel is a nuclear state while they have primitive weapons. You have hundreds of dead Israelis verses tens of thousands of dead Palestinians, mainly women and children. It’s not ‘the world is sympathetic’, it’s people who understand the nature of the conflict
It was hard to tell if it was feeding time at the zoo or a debate at the Oxford Union? The European nations need to be more selective with the people they take in.
I was speaking to an ‘educated’ person over Christmas who referred to someone else as being “pro-Palestine and pro-peace”. I said “you can’t be both, ‘Palestinians’ aren’t pro-peace”. He acted surprised, as if the possibility had never occurred to him. As you say, the facts appear to be irrelevant.
We had something similar happen at the University of London. One our J-Soc had invited someone from the Israeli embassy to speak, and the ULU deliberately leaked this (despite knowing they shouldn't) to the entire union membership. It caused a massice security problem and there was abuse thrown at us. We all know what's behind this.
This debate will prove to be one of the pivotal points that etches a dent into the propaganda of the Red/Green Alliance - what happened is that important.
I found it amusing that right after talking about how the debate had a cut, removing some part of it, the interview had a hard cut removing something 😂😂
The shocking refusal of the pro-Palestinian camp to engage in any real debate with regard to their cause has done as much to dissuade me that it might have any merit as the facts themselves.
That was a great expose against those crazy kid debaters, but you guys need to also more importantly confront and address Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the UN and The Hague! Good luck and keep it up ❤
I watched the whole debate and listened to the audio you recorded. You were all valiant lions. The point about the supposedly educated public preferring stories to fact is right on and very concerning. Storytelling has been weaponized in the public discourse, to a very alarming degree. I love stories, but this is not about good stories. It’s about duping naive ignorant people who want to see life in very simplistic ways. I was lucky that my first real facts about Israel came from Israeli Arabs, who I met while a student in Europe in the 90s. It was overwhelmingly positive without glossing over the issues. I’m trying to tell my son about it, but it’s not really registering, at least for now.
At 35:36 - 35:38, there is something abruptly cut out of this conversation! Ironic in view of the fact that this is precisely the point when these two are discussing the censorship imposed on the Oxford Union debate by those in charge of the Oxford Union!
Mossab Hassan Yousef is the realist. You may think he’s too aggressive but he’s aggressive because he gets it. He realises the evil we’re fighting against, and it won’t be defeated by weak, polite men!
Natasha Hausdorff has said she is more than happy to enter debates to push back against misinformation (words to that effect). Can you imagine the 'moral' victory the side for the motion would have claimed had the 'opposition' not turned up?
I'm not sure.... but a part in me is angry at him for giving platform to that antisemitic venue..... if the outcome was fixed, the "Israeli" side should have boycotted it
For being completely fair, one could argue that the reason people didn't raise their hands wasn't because they wouldn't tell the authorities. But because they didn't want to play along with Mosabs orders. Maybe they wouldn't have raised their hands even if he would ask the questions in the negative way
TRYING TO JUSTIFY THE REASON THEY DIDN'T RAISE THEIR HANDS DOESN'T DIMINISH THE FACT THAT TBEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S RIGHTS NOR THE LIVES OF THEIR OWN CHILDREN. GOD FORBID WE HAVE TO LEAVE OUR PLANET TO THEM😢
There is also another so called “grooming scandal” going on in Oxford. But there is very little connection between the upper class metropolitans in Oxford and the working class English of the town that they don’t care.
@JeanBod1111 in the UK it's illegal to insult ethnic groups. Mossad Yousef called Palestinians the most pathetic human beings on Earth. Which obviously is going to make the moderator stop you and they had to take that part out to not get in trouble with the government.
Well it is not unheard of people to do underhand threats because that seems to be a thing to silence people in certain denominations…😮 so I am not surprised about the atmosphere
Imagine if Oxford held a debate about whether the Holocaust really happened. It would be a moral obscenity. Imagine inviting the Armenians or the Tutsis or the Rohingya or the Timorese to a debate about whether the Turks or or the Hutus or the Burmese or the Indonesians had a right to respond to terror attacks the way they did and whether what followed was really a genocide or just legitimate self-defense. At what point does a debate about what is happening in Gaza become a moral obscenity?
I agree the debate audience was badly behaved - but never the less, those arguing for the proposition clearly won. I can understand that for this topic emotions run high on both sides - if Israel is committing a genocide - those defending Israel’s actions will in retrospect probably deserve abuse in the same way that we would not condemn verbal abuse against those defending apartheid South Africa
Jonathan you did an amazing job presenting your position there.
Thank you for standing up for truth and against evil ❤
Full support for Jonathan. What an appalling situation. The collapse of civil debate should be headline news.
But that’s what happens when you let filth into your country!🤢🤢🤢
Thank you for your hard work ❤❤
Jonathan and the rest of the team were stellar, not only in the speeches given but in standing strong in the face of such hostility. Bravo!
Clearly Oxford Union has no shame or decency.
neither do you.
@@maartenkranendonk8954and why is that?
@@maartenkranendonk8954Why?
@@maartenkranendonk8954 That is all you can come up with ? Holland is the capital of Euro-Islam. Erasmus would turn in his grave.
I guess amnesty international doesn’t either considering they consider what Israel doing to be a genocide.
Crazy people being obnoxious to someone defending genocide
Dear Jonathan, First of all, thank you very much for your courage to stand up and explain the Israeli side. Secondly, I think that in this Oxford forum with a hall full of opponents, the cries of contempt and interruptions to you and the other speakers are actually calls of fear, they are afraid to hear the other side and find out that they are actually wrong.
All the pro Israel speakers were brilliant especially Natasha Hausdorff ❤. How bravery she was, refused to be intimidated. Anyone with half a brain and not biased would have voted for the pro Israeli speakers.
Jonathan awesome thank you for speaking the truth 🙏
The pro israel team was amazing!! 2 arabs, 2 jews ❤ the dream team ❤ and a great variety of styles and kinds of speeches.
Dreamteam
I didn't think the Arabs did all that well because they spent too much time yelling. I know it's cultural but both of those men need to learn to tone it down. You want people to listen? Don't yell at them.
@ really!! I think they did well and they would not have yelled in less hostile environment. I have followed Mosab for decades and Hadad since then and they are civil in civil set ups. They were replying to their fellow arabs. Dont blame them. Its unbecoming to have had 8 body guards in Oxford!! Oxford. Seat of future leaders. School of brainy, ambitious and future political leaders.
Shame on UK and Western world for taking money from nefarious sources and compromising their morals and etiquettes
@ its oxford to blame not the ‘two great guys Mosab and Joseph
@ajNKaj of course. I was so proud of them.
First time now i've heard the chairman of the debate was an Egyptian Arab. That explains a lot
Everything about this debate and the fact that the FULL debate is not available to view brings shame on Oxford University, the supporters of Hamas, and in general the supporters of any cause involving the Palestinians.
It is yet one more event that shows the Justice of Israels response to the massacre of 7th October
The supporters of terrorism have shot themselves in the foot one more time ........ Thank you for showing us who you are ,once more
The Palestinian ideology is like a virus that ruins whatever it touches
Israel is carrying out mass murder. You think mass murder is an appropriate response to some unrelated dipshits in woke londonistan attempting censorship and commiting fraud?
As Jonathan said, the Oxford Union is a place where the politicians of tommorow practice politics. Good Luck Britain!
Yes, it is very worrying. 😥
@@davidgoddard5532I agree.
Well we allowed the country to be colonised by various foreigners and our own native identity to be trashed so we shouldn’t be surprised when politics becomes tribalistic and unstable.
Save the videos and name and shame them. Film clips of their bigotry can haunt their careers.
Despite being set-up, ambushed, & censored, the pro-Israel team did better than the pro-Hamas side.
You showed a lot more maturity, too.
❤ i call them the dream team ❤
and yet here you are saying "Hamas" when everyone knows the majority of killing is women and children....so there is such a thing as a civilian population...like we need a debate for this
@@IBMCs2009 If you rely on hamas´ numbers, according to them Israel has killed only civilians. And all the numbers coming from the un comes from the gaza health ministery, and it´s actually all made up by hamas. Hamas registering "mohameds" as civilian women, and 31-year old men as babies.
Just do your homework before posting bs.
@@IBMCs2009A recent study proves Hamas lied by saying men who were killed were women, & women were children, & people who died from illness died from bombs. You believe the lies of loud liars. Israel has the best combat to civilian casualty rate in modern urban warfare in the world. It's time for you to use critical thinking to reveal the lies.
@@IBMCs2009looks like someone didn't read the latest Telegraph article analyzing the casualty reports from Gaza 😂
Few months before October 7th i met a professor from England while traveling. She told me one of her classes in university was about the holocaust. after a while she decided to cancel that class because everytime the students would hear a description of jews dying or suffering many would openly express their joy. they we’re enjoying hearing about the suffering and death of jews during the worst genocide in history! Not Zionist oppressors but jews durning a genocide. This kind of behavior has been in England long before the war. And Palestine is and was really an excuse for many to express their jew hate.
Wow unbelievable! This is exactly how things like the holocaust happens with all the hate and indoctrination
Oh absolutely, majority do not remotely care about the "Palestinians"
Oh absolutely they don't care about the other side at all
Exactly. The Palestinian-Arabs started slaughtering Jews before Israel was re-founded. They were inspired & incited by Nazi ally - & founder of the Palestinian Liberation Movement - the Grand Mufti Husseini. He inspired the Hebron massacre of 1929 & planned with Hitler to extend the Final Solution to the Middle East - again all before Israel was even created.
Nice obviously made up story
As a Muslim, I apologize for the terrible behaviour of my fellow Muslims. I’m ashamed and embarrassed.
As a jew most Muslims are perfectly normal people who want to live in peace and practice religion. Sadly many Muslims extremeists on social media and some fringe Muslims groups in general made a lot of polarization occur. I appreciate your comment and hope for peace and coexistence between the religions because I think Judaism and Islam are more similar than different having studied both
you dont represent others, you are you and dont feel guilty of things you didnt do
I’m not a muslim and i didn’t see anything wrong ! If you support geno cide apartheid state then you deserve ZERO respect or a red carpet treatment these people expected to get
Then you need to speak out and protest.
Islam has turned into a "hindrance" to the entire world. While many mslms are perfectly decent people, a very large percentage are promoting vi olen t jihad and are "successful" at it. May be leaving the ideology is a start, as reforming seems to be impossible.
Jonathan when I watched the video of you speaking at that debate I thought you looked like Herzl :)
Everybody on the Israeli team did an outstanding job telling the facts and truth despite the huge wave of hatred that you faced in that room. As an Israeli I thank you for not giving up and speak for Israel especially in the poisonous and violent anti Israel atmosphere basically everywhere now.
@@abcxyz8787 herzel lives
Thank you Jonathan!
And amazing interview as always Doran!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
It's a very mafia culture
We love you Gil
Those crazy "students" think they won, but they just exposed themselves.
I guess they lost their legitimacy when nearly none of them raised their hands when were asked if they'd report the attack of october 7 if they would get information that it's going to happen
Exactly
When 90% of them said they would not report plans for Oct. 7 - it was clear who they are
This story needs to be heard! Adding a comment to boost the popularity of the video.
Agreed.
honestly scary to think what will come out from those schools
You did an amazing job Jonathan ❤
The entire so called "debate" NEEDS to be posted on youtube unedited!!!!!! Those cowards.
Someone needs to hack their archives and leak it
איזה כיף זה לראות את הסירטון הזה מופיע אצלי בפיד יומיים אחרי שראיתי את ה"debate" הזה באוקפורד
שמח מאוד לראות אותך משתלב ומתרחב
Oxford has become a circus
Qatari cash.
And ill listen to it now, thank you both
Thank you!
Ouch Doran, I was in the debate club in Ben Gurion University :') Why you gotta call us out like that?
לאולם לא תזלזל בן גוריונאי!
די כבר, למה כולם משמיצים אותנו?
Marvelous discussion.
If the audience expresses that they won't report OCT. 7 if they knew it would happen, then it leads to the idea that they are not concerned about human lives, but are instead prejudiced
It's also very disturbing to know they support the massacres and atrocities and would support it happening again.
Doran you must do full review for each speech (from both sides).
"Must"? Absolutely not.
Starting a war with an attack as savage and indiscriminate as the events that unfolded 7 October, then crying "genocide" on October 8 when the bill came due ... only one word for that: PATHETIC!
Hannibal directive?
@@IBMCs2009the Hannibal directive was outlawed in 2017
@@IBMCs2009 Delusional and disgusting conspiracy theory debunked by the footage of the event.
Amazing interview, thanks to u both
Our pleasure!
What has Oxford become. This we did not se for 10-20 years ago. What a terrible school.
It is an arab "president" of the union what did you expect he would debate? Human rights in Saudi Arabia, female circumcision in Egypt? (he's Egyptian if I remember correctly)
The fact that a muslim makes it to presidency shows the fairness of western university scene says it all. Try that in moslem countries
Debate is a mind sport. I loved doing that in my youth. Surprising self with having grown in deep reflection
As an American, I am disgusted by the disrespectful behavior of some of those students who were clearly antisemitic students. The speaker spoke respectfully and factually debunking all the lies by the opposition. Israel is a western democracy that invites Arabs, jews and Druze to live in peace. Facts don't care about feelings. I hope that the United States wakes up to the lies, stench and wickedness growing within. One truth from that brave speaker debunked all the lies of the opposition. God Bless the United States.
Those side with terrorist showed no respect.
THAT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE CLEARLY TERRORISTS TOO!
Norman Finkelstein is a dishonest man and a coward. Unbelievable this happened in the Oxford Union and they cropped out so much! Well done to Jonathan and the amazing team representing us! 💙🤍
I AGREE, NORMAN FINKELSTEIN IS A LIAR & A CREEP!
צופה בסרטון תודה רבה
It was more like the jeremy kyle show than a oxford union debate, the whole palestine/israel issue has been so perplexing. But one just needs to look at the oslo occords, the PA have the right to self determination, self governance, they need to stop the PA authorities martyrs fund, that teaches kids terrorism at school. Its not a apartheid state in israel,What scared me the most was the majority of students wouldnt report a terrorist attack.
TYPICAL HATREDOF JEWS AND FOR HUMANITY IN GENERAL.
Doran please do a review of the debate! If you can edit in the sensor parts that will be awesome!
Yeah that would be great!
He can make a series where he review each one of the speeches per episode.
It'll be super interesting, and would be amazing for the YT engagement.
I think there were 8 different speeches. @@SmaiAllaa
When 90% of them said they would not report plans for Oct. 7, it was clear who they were.
Natasha Hausdorff was an underappreciated speaker in this debate. She nailed it with facts and logic, and I was enthralled; she's an excellent speaker. Every one of the Israeli speakers was professional, coherent and factual and it is such a disturbing sign that people are siding with the 'screaming children' that ALL Oxford students have apparently become. The aggression that was shown to the Israeli speakers was just despicable and gets me worried for the future as these crazy terrorist sympathisers will just outshout and "out-violence" anyone who opposes their agenda. Anyone with any level of critical thinking can see the right side of history, and anything beyond that is wilful ignorance.
Jimmy Carter wrote the book "Apartheid" about Israel. I believe he started this antisemitic slur. He died yesterday, I definitely did not shed a tear. I said "about time!". Im the lone voice.
Thank you Jonathan. You are a hero to the Jewish community in the UK.
In 2000 the then Labour government made the Oxbridge admissions process discriminate in favour of state school students against the independent/public school candidates which previously made up nearly all students accepted. From personal experience I know how ill-prepared comprehensive school students are for an Oxbridge education. You can see the slide in standards in this debate and even more publicly by the way Oxbridge universities are regularly trounced on BBC's 'University Challenge' by Russel Group universities which now receive the best students as a result of the change in the Oxbridge admissions process.
I've seen the original video which seemed uncivilized. the muslims girls seated behind jonathan really made the impression that islam is not about logic or free speech and essentially should be feared. you could definitely see that in the comments and critic of the way that oxford changing its face.
Yeah, that pretty much summerizes Islam up accurately. 👍
The debate is available online in full.
Where can we access it? I've been looking for it but I just find reviews
@ ua-cam.com/video/j86_ELmr0XA/v-deo.htmlsi=QDI93G7jXCJCaiH9
You can also find it on Sacerdoti’s UA-cam channel as well as various clips on YT. The censorship BS is just that BS.
@bloodcircle3885 thx
@@bloodcircle3885 It's censored on the Oxford Union channel. Which is the main point.
As a Palestinian Arab Muslim, I am so ashamed of how my people behave in public debates. I know exactly what you mean as I witnessed so many so called educated Palestinians debate and all what my ear and eyes witnessed was hooligans just shouting with no intention to debate or make anyone talk other than them and when they talk all what they spill is dirt baseless word salads and poetic speeches that take no one any where. I am ashamed of my nation
The bullying behaviour exhibited in this “debate” reflects how Oxford, and likely many other UK academic institutions, is a cesspool of Jew-hatred and how the quality of education is laughable. An Oxford grad cannot be taken seriously anymore.
Put these people in prison, no chance for probation or parole, life sentences.
I hope all the morons who were in attendance that day and voted they wouldn't have alerted the security services if they knew October 7th was going to happen were put on a watch list at the very least...
Jonathan did a great job. I really appreciate this video of explaination.
Maybe one of the Israeli speakers should have gone through victim after victim after victim of the Oct 7 massacre describing in detail of what happened to them. Hold up photos etc. Basically the world is sympathetic to the people of Gaza who are being “attacked” by Israel ….. and that clearly convinces the gullible.
That’s because the Israelis are rich, Palestinians are poor. Israel is a nuclear state while they have primitive weapons. You have hundreds of dead Israelis verses tens of thousands of dead Palestinians, mainly women and children. It’s not ‘the world is sympathetic’, it’s people who understand the nature of the conflict
@@IBMCs2009the fact that the Palestinians are weak doesn't make them the good guys.
It was hard to tell if it was feeding time at the zoo or a debate at the Oxford Union? The European nations need to be more selective with the people they take in.
They cut out the video portion where you can see how many hands were raised/not raised when asked if they would report the October 7 attack.
Saw it and was disgusted.
Disgraceful. Brave man
I was speaking to an ‘educated’ person over Christmas who referred to someone else as being “pro-Palestine and pro-peace”. I said “you can’t be both, ‘Palestinians’ aren’t pro-peace”. He acted surprised, as if the possibility had never occurred to him. As you say, the facts appear to be irrelevant.
This debate will be a stain on Oxford's name for years to come
Ambush
Very hard to Ambush the truth
We had something similar happen at the University of London. One our J-Soc had invited someone from the Israeli embassy to speak, and the ULU deliberately leaked this (despite knowing they shouldn't) to the entire union membership. It caused a massice security problem and there was abuse thrown at us.
We all know what's behind this.
You should show the videos you are referring to for easy reference. A bit of more edit but it Would have been even more interesting.
You can look them up yourself?
This debate will prove to be one of the pivotal points that etches a dent into the propaganda of the Red/Green Alliance - what happened is that important.
So help me God if the Oxford Debate is the kindergarten for future members of the English parliament!!!
🙏
“Facts don’t matter, perceptions is everything” is SO 1984
I found it amusing that right after talking about how the debate had a cut, removing some part of it, the interview had a hard cut removing something 😂😂
Probably internet hiccup 🤣
@TheEasyWayDMS it's right when you exclaim in surprise. It seems you just cut out that part until the conversation gets back on track.
Same lol
Here is a take. Being personally offended when a Palestinian calls Palestinians pathetic is kind of pathetic.
The oxfords debate, returned my trauma from first contact with the Q.
“Fair trial” 🖖🏻
The Q?
The shocking refusal of the pro-Palestinian camp to engage in any real debate with regard to their cause has done as much to dissuade me that it might have any merit as the facts themselves.
That was a great expose against those crazy kid debaters, but you guys need to also more importantly confront and address Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the UN and The Hague! Good luck and keep it up ❤
❤️❤️❤️
G'evening,
care to link the debate itself, or even better the uncesored version if its on youtube?
@BobMobBom the oxford Union posted all 8 debates. Some they reposted with less cuts... johnathan posted on his you tube channel some..
It’s not difficult to find.
As a parent I would never send my kids to Oxford, Harvard or these anti-semitic universities.
The Oxford Caliphate
אנגליה נפלה עניין של כמה שנים ולא יהיה זכר למקומים...
No condemnation of Mossab calling Palestinians the most pathetic people on planet earth
I can't find any of the debate.... only your opening speech...a link would be much appreciated
Curious - is this the same Oxford in charge of the English dictionary?!
No
@emilnielsen3671 nothing surprises me anymore but whew.
I watched the whole debate and listened to the audio you recorded. You were all valiant lions.
The point about the supposedly educated public preferring stories to fact is right on and very concerning. Storytelling has been weaponized in the public discourse, to a very alarming degree. I love stories, but this is not about good stories. It’s about duping naive ignorant people who want to see life in very simplistic ways.
I was lucky that my first real facts about Israel came from Israeli Arabs, who I met while a student in Europe in the 90s. It was overwhelmingly positive without glossing over the issues. I’m trying to tell my son about it, but it’s not really registering, at least for now.
Oxford debates "motions" (proposals for actions put to committee). One can also debate a "notion" (an idea held by a person or group)
At 35:36 - 35:38, there is something abruptly cut out of this conversation! Ironic in view of the fact that this is precisely the point when these two are discussing the censorship imposed on the Oxford Union debate by those in charge of the Oxford Union!
We had an internet hiccup lol
Mossab Hassan Yousef is the realist. You may think he’s too aggressive but he’s aggressive because he gets it. He realises the evil we’re fighting against, and it won’t be defeated by weak, polite men!
where there not 2 votes in the oxford union? 1 before 1 after? what happened to the one before?
Why did the opposition turn up, they shouldn't have given the pro terrorists the opportunity.
how strange, you dont consider Israels actions to be terrorism? Perhaps read some history
@@IBMCs2009maybe you should take your own advice
Natasha Hausdorff has said she is more than happy to enter debates to push back against misinformation (words to that effect).
Can you imagine the 'moral' victory the side for the motion would have claimed had the 'opposition' not turned up?
Waiting for you to get Mossab on here!
I'm not sure.... but a part in me is angry at him for giving platform to that antisemitic venue..... if the outcome was fixed, the "Israeli" side should have boycotted it
It gets worse and worse the more the video goes on...
This video?? Or you watched a speech? There were 8.
@@connie.22 In how shameful this debate was...
I wonder why norman Fincklestein didnt want to debate with Mossab? Very telling.
Did they have to go with bodyguards because of potential violence from students, outsiders, or both?
8 body guards vs the religion of peace the irony 😂
For being completely fair, one could argue that the reason people didn't raise their hands wasn't because they wouldn't tell the authorities. But because they didn't want to play along with Mosabs orders.
Maybe they wouldn't have raised their hands even if he would ask the questions in the negative way
TRYING TO JUSTIFY THE REASON THEY DIDN'T RAISE THEIR HANDS DOESN'T DIMINISH THE FACT THAT TBEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S RIGHTS NOR THE LIVES OF THEIR OWN CHILDREN. GOD FORBID WE HAVE TO LEAVE OUR PLANET TO THEM😢
You give the too much credit
You were treated ridiculously. Well done.
There is also another so called “grooming scandal” going on in Oxford. But there is very little connection between the upper class metropolitans in Oxford and the working class English of the town that they don’t care.
To be fair some of the pro-Israel people were saying things that are definitely illegal to say in the UK
Like what??
@JeanBod1111 in the UK it's illegal to insult ethnic groups. Mossad Yousef called Palestinians the most pathetic human beings on Earth. Which obviously is going to make the moderator stop you and they had to take that part out to not get in trouble with the government.
Well it is not unheard of people to do underhand threats because that seems to be a thing to silence people in certain denominations…😮 so I am not surprised about the atmosphere
Imagine if Oxford held a debate about whether the Holocaust really happened. It would be a moral obscenity. Imagine inviting the Armenians or the Tutsis or the Rohingya or the Timorese to a debate about whether the Turks or or the Hutus or the Burmese or the Indonesians had a right to respond to terror attacks the way they did and whether what followed was really a genocide or just legitimate self-defense. At what point does a debate about what is happening in Gaza become a moral obscenity?
The moment it's put on the same pedestal as the Holocaust and other *actual* genocides.
Oxford union, shameful institution...
Time of worshipping idols is comming to an end. Oxford lost it's way.
I agree the debate audience was badly behaved - but never the less, those arguing for the proposition clearly won. I can understand that for this topic emotions run high on both sides - if Israel is committing a genocide - those defending Israel’s actions will in retrospect probably deserve abuse in the same way that we would not condemn verbal abuse against those defending apartheid South Africa
~ 37:25
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Weren’t there rules of debate for the audience. Certain behaviors? Agreed facts?
How can we forge an opinion since we do ne see the debate?
Go watch it, genius. :P
@@Thenoobestgirl Thank You Madam! Cannot see any link in presentation.
May be i messed something because english is not my native language. Sorry!