I’m really sad that Inquisition never really got a true beginning like Origins. I know that the race you pick tells you the character’s background but I would’ve absolutely loved the starting mission to be arriving at the temple with your small team of your chosen background and mingle a bit with some characters before the main game starts.
As much as I hated that it wasn't like that. I like the mechanism of how they implemented your amnesia and all you had to go off of was people's speculation, unraveling the truth as we go. I'd have loved an origins style beginning but looking at the way the story went, I'm glad it didn't have that kind of beginning as I don't think it would have worked as well here.
It truly could've been as simple as a short conversation with one person from your background in the Conclave, then listening in on a single scene of a heated debate between Divine Justinia, the mages, and templars that would set up the foundation of the conflict. A magic orb flies out of nowhere at the crescendo of the debate and you grab it as it explodes. For an Adaar you chat with a Valo-Kas mercenary buddy before standing at attention. Cadash and Lavellan speak with whomever their contact is before peeking out from the rafters. Finally the Trevelyan's could speak with the head representative of the side they find themselves on before convening. Easier said than done, but the amnesia was totally unnecessary when the story very much could've started three minutes earlier.
I hated how every background tries to force you down the good guy path choosing the qunari? well you aren't really part of the qun choosing an elven supremist? well you are actually a clan of tolerant elves choosing a dwarf? barely any dwarfs in the relevant story seriously my self made character background in my head cannon made playing DAI way more fun in terms of roleplay (human hating elve assassin gets send to kill the divine to renew the sort of human civil war but gets one upped by corypheus, gets proclaimed a religious leader against her will and now tries her best to incite as much unrest as possible while still having to stop corypheus and being watched to close to just bail)
I'm not surprised it was created with Human PCs only in mind. Especially when playing as an Elven Inquisitor during the Temple of Mythal quest. We get tidbits in the bigger scenes, but Morrigan acts like she knows more of Elven culture than us through the entire game, and literally explains what the Temple of Mythal is like I don't have "property of mythal" tattooed on my face 😭
My head canon is that clan Lavellan is the clan where one Keeper went crazy and taught everyone the wrong stories with the wrong names. "So you know Mythal? Forget her and embrace Azura" It would be like that one maniac in a game of telephone.
Well as a dalish inquisitor is always funny to bring Sera along "elfy stuff" "Gillanan... Ass" But seriously i could buy Morgan knowing more about the elf than the dalish themselves.. the dalish have little written and pass a lot via oral tradition, most clans are isolated and even those that still meet are basically playing telephone with each others.. Even the Keepers prefer to destroy old relics they don't know or understand like the eluvians..
@@andrews.5212 I can understand her knowing _some_ things that the Dalish PC doesn't, but the evanuris are one of the only things the Dalish do (generally) know for themselves. It's just hilarious to see an elf, especially one with Mythal's vallaslin, asking this random human who this elven god is
I think the ending would have been a lot more well-received if Corypheus had attacked Skyhold, especially if all the decisions we made about how to build the Inquisition played into the final battle. As it is, I think a lot of us felt like the ending lacked some punch - like, his final plan is to try his first plan again? The one that already didn't work even when he had the Anchor? Come on, that's just sad. I do think that the Trespasser DLC finished the story with an appropriate bang, though.
I agree. It would have felt like there was more at stake. And now that you mention our desicions in building the Inquisition, the suicide mission from Mass Effect 2 comes to mind, where your actions affect who lives and dies. The way you build the Inquisition and how you upgraded Skyhold would've had an effect on the final battle. Oh yeah the Trespasser DLC was great 😄 It's my favourite DLC to be honest. I feel like Trespasser is BioWare at their best
to be honest my biggest story criticism of the entire game is that corypheus is such a lame villain. he never accomplishes anything meaningful after the inquisitor steps in. he fails to take over Orlais, fails to bring in the wardens and make his demon army, fails to access the well of sorrows or even get into the Eluvian, and then just kind of randomly tries opening the breach again out of desperation in the end compare that to the Darkspawn from origins who basically had you beaten out at every turn thanks to loghain and you only barely manage to squeak a victory out by building allies from the sidelines while the horde destroys the entire country around you whereas corypheus just destroys haven. that's like the one setback he causes in the entire story after the prologue. and he even fails at killing any of the inquisition's leadership like he planned to. a skyhold attack would have been a cool idea to at least give the impression he's competent enough to scheme anything what a lame dude
I also recall one of the devs having said something about wanting to allow players to pick an outfit for the Winter Palace, but I don't think the idea went very far. It's a shame, but honestly it wouldn't be such a disappointing fact if Bioware hadn't decided that a bunch of Nutcracker uniforms were a good idea. Anything would have been better than that.
The concept arts are better unsurprisingly, they are not brutally different but a black uniform with a red band and slightly more detailed shoulder pads looks quite better in comparison
Would have been nice if we would have got some dress armors for that bit. Outfits for all the characters in line to what Vivienne naturally wears. I can just imagine the banter where someone like Sera complains about her 'awful' clothes, while Dorian is cheeky about how much he loves it.
Absolutely disappointed how dragon age awakenings architect had been completely abandoned. He was such a compelling villain. Better than corypheus as far as I am concerned.
While the version of Here Lies the Abyss we've got sounds much more interesting, it's a real shame they keep completely ignoring the Architect. Really hoping they pick up on that plot point again.
I do believe that the last quarter of the story was very quick and it felt like everything was happening so fast. In other words it should've gotten more scenes or maybe an extra quest.. I feel like we needed to know more about Corypheus cuz after all he was the main villain. Anyways, great video and keep it up. And actually it's good to know that someone is still playing Inquisition and spending time to make content about it, it is us who should thank you ❤
EVERYTHING was very quick. We solve the super hyped war between Mages and Templars [something that's been building since Origins] in ONE cutscene, that only involves one of them joining the Inquisition and the other gets controlled by Corypheus. We solve the Orlean Civil War in just one quest. Nevarra and Tevinter are on the brink of war and we solve it.....in a war room mission.
meeting the Architect would've been so cool! I'm glad he's still one their plans...i just hope they take their time with DA4 so they don't have to cut out anything. (ps: must protect Cole
At one point, I had an idea of Skyhold being attacked from Morrigan's eluvian and the player having to pick paths around groups of enemies, which would have been really cool, as it would reward exploration of Skyhold and getting to know its layout. Though, I do enjoy the codex entries that were strewn about and Lord Trifles Minutiae if he wasn't in the vault 90% of the time.
I thought we'd get an expanded version of Vigil's Keep in Awakenings, ie the more you take time to upgrade it, the more likely it is to withstand a siege.
Gasp! I can't believe Cullen was only added at the end! Wow. And Solas is such a tortured and awesome love story, I am surprised that wasn't planned all along. Thanks for such an in-depth look, very fascinating!
If the Architect isn't somehow involved in DA:D, I will riot. He HAD to know what was going on and somehow, I don't think he's gone. No way. Especially since he was responsible for the 5th Blight, why wouldn't he find his way to Tevinter and "correct the mistakes made by Corypheus's failure"? So much of this is awesome ❤️ Thank you for making these! I may or may not be including some of these things in my fanfic now .......
I know right! Even if our Warden/Warden commander killed him, I don't think he's really dead Thank you, glad you liked it! 😄 Ooo nice 👀 I imagine cut content is good fanfic material
@@LisaLynnsTavern Hey there! 😸 Yeah, I will die on the hill of I Don't Think He's Dead. Corypheus was dumb and got obsessed with Godhood. The Architect is smarter than him xD I mean, it's in the name! Lol Please keep making awesome things ❤️
I'll admit I wish the third option for Cole had stayed. I really like the version of Cole we had in Asunder and feel like he got watered down a lot in Inquisition, and that third option in his quest would have aligned a lot more with his book-self.
Let us hope that all the time Bioware had for DA: Dreadwolf pays off with something close or just like Origins in both content and quality, fingers crossed!
Oh yeah I 100% agree haha. I'm really hoping we'll have some sort of secret base in the next game that we can customise and upgrade. Also yeah, hair.... 😂 I don't really need 10 types of bald thank you
regarding badass prosthetics for anyone, let alone our inky if anyone could do it' it'd be Dagna- and she'd absolutely RELISH the chance to make a lyrium-infused prosthetic that functions and moves like a normal limb don't even try denying that Dagna'd be all over it~
@@LisaLynnsTavern sidenote I'm screenshotting your comment (including the fact it's been HIGHLIGHTED by the UA-camr themself lol) as proof this theory can and should be cannon lore lol
The custom keeps and battle scenarios were you choose how certain troops responded wouldve adeded so much rather than just sticking a flag somewhere and calling it yours. Whish they could of kept one of those two things in the game even if they had to size down some of the maps to add it.
Great video. Skyhold did to me always feel like another Haven attack waiting to happen, so was little disappointed when it didn't turn out that way. Oh and no Sandal too, but I think he might appear in DA:Dreadwolf.👀
Burning the boats was also supposed to create a mission involving the red templars being cut off from escape, which would have had consequences on the surrounding areas. Inquisition promised a lot of player choices, and they failed to deliver. Also, I heard they were going to have a one on one fight between the Inquisitor and Corypheus in the sky, but they had to cut it. Some of the dialogues from companions still exists though.
Once again, thank you for the great video! Apparently the Skyhold invasion was mentioned during a commentary on a stream done by Summerfall Studios on Twitch. Even then it was more of a side-note than anything else. Unfortunately, it has been 2 years, and the videos are long gone from Twitch. They tweeted it will be available on their YT channel, but only videos on their new game Chorus are present. There is a tumblr with summary of what has been talked, though it admittedly is paraphrased, so maybe not as good as concrete facts ^^
And thank you for watching! Yeah, I watched most of them back then and I remember really enjoying them.🙁 I'm kinda sad they haven't uploaded the vods to UA-cam cause I'd love to watch them again at some point, plus they'd be really useful for videos like this one xD I actually used that Tumblr page a few times when my memory failed me haha, but yeah the actual vods themselves would be best.
Yeah it's sadly very obvious that the game was made for a human, and the other races were added in later. Playing Lavellan and getting schooled about the Elven gods by Morrigan was quite a moment lol
The version of Here Lies The Abyss we saw in trailers shows Warden Commander Clarel fighting alongside Hawke and the Inquisitor as well, so it seems she was intended to be the Warden who accompanied us to the Fade instead of Alistair / Loghain / Stroud?
This wasn't mentioned in the video, but I wished they kept the original opening at the beginning of the game. Where once the Inquisitor comes out of the interrogation, a whole sworm of people start to yell and scream at them to the point where one of the hecklers throws a rock at the Inquisitor that Cassandra had to apprehend him. It would've shown first hand how much disdain the people had for the Inquisitor at the start of the game. And would've made the progression from becoming the most hated person in Thedas to becoming a well-respected Leader more evolved.
Ohh interesting! 👀 Did they talk about this in an interview somewhere? Info on cut content is all over the place and I might've completely missed this haha
@@LisaLynnsTavern It's in one of the World of Thedas Books, where there's a full Storyboard on how the Intro scene would play out. Along with there being cut dialogue in the game files, which should be up on UA-cam somewhere.
While it sounds great narratively, an attack on Skyhold like the attack on Haven would have meant designing the skyhold locations for combat: Big, open, visually-undistracting combat zones, with the hallways and offices being either off-limits or artificially larger and blander throughout. Something like the library would have been impossible in battle.
Make sense there was meant to be an attack on skyhold. The one thing Inquisition lacked was a "darkest moment" before the victory. A moment of powerlessness. I would have like that.
The Inquisitor becoming the Divine is a massive missed opportunity. I remember way back when I was binging the series in preparation for Inquisition being extremely excited about Morrigan's words at the end of her DLC in Origins about a big change coming to the world and also there was all that hype of the Chantry being wiped out of by the Elder One (we only had theories about him being Corypheus back then). And that is not even talking about the mage revolution, the civil war in Orlais or Briala's elven uprising... everything seemed like a melting pot for a turning point in the history of Thedas yet by the end of Inquisition what we got was essentially a restoration of the status quo. To this day I think it's conclusion to be one of the biggest experiences in "blue balls" I had with gaming lol I believe the Inquisitor becoming the Divine would work in being one of the possible big changes in Thedas either that or finally letting the Chantry and the system of Templars and Circles die, replacing it with a more secular Inquisition.
Oh yeah I totally see what you mean haha, the whole mage vs templar was was resolved way too quickly and way too easily. I didn't really mind it too much when I first played DAI, tbh I was more confused about who Corypheus was and why Varric knew all about him because I didn't have the Legacy DLC at the time. 😆 I played all three games back to back because I discovered the series kind of late, so maybe my experience would've been different if I had been waiting for Inquisition to release. Though now with Dreadwolf it seems shit's really gonna go down...but we'll see haha. Either way it's fun to be in the fandom and be hyped for the next game (despite the long wait lol) I do wonder what it would've been like with our Inquisitor as Divine. I wonder if the end slides with an Inquisitor as Divine would've been different based on how they judged people at Skyhold. And probably also the choices you made throughout the rest of the game
Okay, another GLARING bit of cut content is the missing improvements for Skyhold. There are several sections of the fortress that clearly were meant to be improved by the player, but we just never get the chance to.
Pretty much all the developer comments I've read from ex-devs claim that the move to Frostbite was forced onto them by EA, so a bit interesting hearing it being called Biowares choice. Regardless, nice video and glad I watched it.
Heyaa, thank you! At the time of researching this video, I found articles about an interview in which Aaryn Flynn (former General Manager at BioWare) told Jason Schreier that it was BioWare's desicion to start using Frostbite. That's where I got the information from. I also listened to the interview myself and Aaryn has indeed said that it was their desicion. However I'm now aware there is also another Jason Shreier article (which came out later) that says it was actually an initiative led by former EA executive Patrick Söderlund to get all of their studios to use Frostbite, so I wouldn't be surprised if it actually was forced upon them. Though it's still weird that Aaryn has said the opposite, so I'm not sure what is actually true... My best guess is, it was a bit of both.
@@LisaLynnsTavern Thank you for the in-depth reply, I really appreciate you sharing your source on this and you're right that does sound pretty complicated, so completely sensible to quote the devs answer directly given competing info.
Wow great channel, have you just started posting videos 4 months ago( by what youtube shows me) ? Quality content i am glad youtube recommended me your video. Keep up the good work !
I could be wrong about this since I'm only going off of personal expereice using mods to romance Solas as a male elf, but I'm pretty sure they cut that option as well, possibly due to it being too last second of an addition. Still some recorded lines of both male inquis remain in game for romancing solas, unlike how others are muted (ie iif you mod it for a male inquis to romance cullen, all the inquis dialogue will be silent as nothing was recorded for that option)
I love looking at the what ifs in cut game content. So, much could've been better if the circumstances would have allowed it. If I could choose just one of these cut content ideas to be in the game with no issues it would definitely be the unique origins starts for the races. In the base game the Inquistor can feel apart from the world instead of in it and I feel that this could've made it so much better. Also if you need ideas for videos I think reviewing or go through the banter of each game to talk about the interesting dialogue in them. Not a lot of people have gone through it all and many people don't know the really great stuff in them.
Yeah me too! I actually had a lot of fun researching these videos. Yeah, the small piece of text that you get before you start the game is just kinda.. meh. But I also get that complete separate origin stories probably wouldn't have been doable. Maybe we'll get something like it in the next game! That's a good idea actually, thank you! I will definitely keep that in mind. I know there are a lot of easter eggs in banter but there's also things like Adoribull or the Josephine/Blackwall thing (...Which, did take me years to find out that was a thing lol)
@@LisaLynnsTavern I do get that. I remember watching those videos with David Gaider and Mark Darrah on why the time issue. But if we could some how put one feature in DAI with no issues whatsoever I think the origins would be number one on that list. Exactly a lot of people just haven't heard of it. Me though I sat down and watched a collective of 10 hours of banter across the games and thoroughly enjoyed it. There all pretty good.
@@LisaLynnsTavern like you are on your way to kill the Archdemon and Alistair and Morrigan start talking you have to put down all things aside to listen.
Controversial or not, divine inquisitor would’ve been a wonderful option. To outright say what you want to do with Templars and mages would’ve fixed a lot of the problems that are implied with asking for help closing the breach and who you end up with as divine and the loss of context about what they do as divine. As cool as the decision is in the base game, I just can’t comprehend the technicalities of Vivienne’s decisions as divine and same with Leliana’s free mages; we don’t really see how any of that turns out and nobody outright says anything about it. To add to the (minor) issues with trespasser, if Fiona is a free mage either through earning the circle’s trust with Vivienne or Leliana’s liberation, why wouldn’t she show up to discuss things with us or the elected divine? The fact that Vivienne and Fiona start rivalling circles is very confusing.
YES!!!!! God the idea of the Inquisitor getting a weapon prosthetic is so damn cool!!!! Honestly, in general, I'd love to have our Inquisitor implemented into DA:D somehow ;-; I really wouldn't mind being able to chose between our grey warden, hawke or inquisitor for the playable characters, instead of a new hero again.
Ikr! I actually like the fact that we're getting a new protagonist, though I feel like it would be weird for the Inquisitor not to make an appearance. It would only make sense that they'd want to be there personally, especially when dealing with Solas
Wow i didn't know that we almost got a game without Cullen and Solas' romances ! As they are both my favorite romances (Cullen lover all the way haha) I think my experience of the game would have been much different x)
Huh, cool stuff again! 😁😁😁 Meeting the Architect would have been AMAZING, though I do wonder if they'd have used the 'body-hopping' technique of Cory's to explain his presence in the world states where Archie was killed! 😁 And the shadow of a possibility with Anders, oh my! Also very thought-inducing! Especially regarding what he woulda thought of the mage/templar situation in 9:40. Also, fully agree on the Skyhols attack front - having Cory and the dragon swoop down on all that we'd built throughout the game would really put things into perspective! Thanks for putting this together, will definitely be on the lookout for new vids once there is more info about DA:D! 😉😁
@Spartanunit5 i mean for DA2 allowing to be a elf ,dwarf or qunari would be a bit weird with your family (though you could just be adopted) though origins had no such excuse for not allowing you to be an qunari.
@@chongwillson972 yeah I know, But if they had t made you part of a family then they could have done it. If they really wanted to include Bethany and Carver they could have been fellow refugees instead of your siblings
@@Spartanunit5 i mean adoption is a thing , though if they have too cut it down to 2 races than human and qunari would be great options, being a qunari during the arishok point of the game would be really interesting.
Another piece of cut content I stumbled across when trying to mod the game is that you were originally supposed to go to the Grand Cathedral, which was most likely part of the pre-COTJ templar plot as a mirror to the pre-IHW Redcliffe part of the mage plot. There are references to the Grand Cathedral in relation to the COTJ plot, and Knight-Captain Denam's in-code description mentions that he guards the Grand Cathedral and won't let you in. I am very bummed that this didn't make it into the final cut, especially since it would likely have meant more characterization for Knight-Captain Denam, who got very little characterization and not even as much as a backstory.
Yeah you're right, it might very well be Hawke. The art was made between DA2 and DAI, so it might have been something to do with the Exalted March DLC plot.
Interesting they removed the "Cole taken over by Corypheus" part due to combat balance... but then take Iron Bull away from you in Trespasser depending on how his personal arc played out. So you end up in a 3 vs. mob + Bull.
True. That was me on my first playthrough cause I somehow missed his personal quest. I was really surprised and had no idea why it was happening hahaha
Cory attacking Skyhold would have been interesting, maybe not him but his forces trying to pin the Inquisition down after he learns of their survival. Similar to how Loghain sends Zevran after the Wardens in Origins after he learns of their survival. Also Bioware using the same engine as another EA game is quite interesting, I wonder if that is another mess that EA made in an effort to use in-house stuff (so to speak) to maybe keep costs down thus turn more of a profit? But I'm glad they pushed it back a year, the 'Human Only' didn't really go down that well for DA2 after the awesomeness that is Origins. Hopefully EA loosing the sole rights to the Star Wars games will be a kick to their ego and will let Bioware take their time with DA4/Dreadwolf.
Yeah! And it would keep us alert, just like the moment in Origins when you get attacked at camp. EA forcing all of their studios to use Frostbite is something I've heard a lot (which wouldn't surprise me) but after researching this for the video, it seems that it was BioWare (or their executives at least) that wanted to use Frostbite. Despite all of the technical difficulties that they faced, Frostbite does have a lot of strengths as well. Yeah I hope so too! I just want them to take all the time they need haha, we've already waited so long, I don't mind waiting a couple of years more if it means a better game. xD Also, the fact that it's going to be fully singleplayer means that EA hopefully learned their lesson and realise that yes, people still do love good singleplayer games!
From everything I’ve been reading. Inky is coming back for DA4 Dread Wolf. Sooo, I’m like 90% sure they are going to do the one armed warrior thing. Much like Gutz from Berserk had one arm wielding a massive Sword and the other arm was mechanical that shot arms like a crossbow. I could see Bianca and Varric taking Inky somewhere, where Bianca could design a new mechanical weapon. Specifically for the use of the “Heist” missions. Such as a Grappling Hook launcher, a grenade launcher and a crossbow all in one.
Some of these sound so compelling, I really hoped when the last quest came that Corypheus would attack Skyhold. I mean, you spend all your time customizing it and talking to people there, to have that attacked would be so much more dramatic than just booking it back to Haven because he's yoinked the temple out of the ground like a shitty MCU Ultron gambit. Also think that Cole's third option would've actually been more interesting. We don't get enough opportunities for party members to turn on you like in Origins. They just begrudgingly put up with your shit. Iron Bull's arm canon should definitely be an Inky thing next game, even if we only see the inquisitor very rarely. Interesting that Anders had concept art like that. I wonder if that's for an Anders Hawke didn't keep around or an Anders that stuck around til the end or romanced. Had no idea about the Architect!! Such a cool character that has barely been mentioned since Awakening.
Honestly, it's stuff like this that gives me less and less hope for DA4. They never listen to their fanbase, and always cut out the content their fans want for the oddest of reasons. The only content they cut that I'm actually grateful for is the Exalted March DLC, where Varric was supposed to die. Honestly I'm just done with DA.
A lot of things get cut due to budget or time constraints etc, I'm sure the devs aren't happy when they have to cut things, but unfortunately that's something that has to happen eventually We'll have to wait and see what DA4 will be like. I'm excited for it, but if you feel like you're done with DA that's totally fine, there's so many other good games out there! 😄
It's very unfortunate that they cut part of the story, the game definitely has an "intro, Act.I and Act.I,I" I felt like we needed an act.III, it doesn't needed to be as many things to do like 1 and 2, hear me out. On the first act, we crush half of his army in a single blow, in the second, we deal with his influence in Thedas politics, he them would've attacked Skyhold, but this time without success, now with no army, no influence, he would do the only thing left, to summon the darkspawn through his dragon, so we'd get a main mission in Orzammar, some new quests on the Storm Coast and Crestwood, and another main mission somewhere else in Orlais or the Free Marches (I'd prefer the later), not big, just to deal with a Darkspawn Horde on one and one of those darkspawn broodmother, then we'd proceed to Haven Again. That's why I gave the game an score of an 8.5, I felt like we needed more darkspawn centered missions, because Coryfenis is frickin one...
I guess one of the reasons for not using the Darkspawn could be that he was already using the Wardens, and he was very confident (a bit too much, haha) so maybe he thought he didn't need them. I don't know, good question though! And hey who knows, maybe we'll run into more Darkspawn in the next game. I'd have liked going back to Orzammar though, would've loved exploring the city in Inquisition's graphics
@@LisaLynnsTavern I'd love to go to Denerin too, explore the city's alleys, corridors and such, in the new graphics would be great, plus a new trading post. BUT, Orzammar, can you imagine that huge towering city in DAI graphics? Oh boy, I would *definitely pay for that.* Huge missed opportunity there haha.
Frostbite really screwed Bioware. Was there any game they released after they switched, that didn't include the phrase "troubles during development because of Frostbite"? It's funny how Square-Enix faced the same problem. It seems RPGs are really demanding.
@@LisaLynnsTavern Sadly that doesn't seem to be the case for DA4. Not that I am optimistic for either game anyway, but seeing them still try to make Frostbite work is kinda funny.
All that aside, i'm still mad that we didn't had the chance to upgrade our companions quarters! I mean look at bulls and cullens bedroom! They fight alongside me/for me and all they get is a trash-hole with a collapsing roof 😅 wth??
I absolutely love your content, I could listen to you reading the phonebook with that adorkable accent, the fact you're talking Dragon Age is just the chefs kiss. Keep up the great work.
I remember when I beat Inquisition I felt disappointed it felt like I had only beaten half a game so many storylines seemed to have been rushed or cut short especially the Mage/Templar War
Yeah the Mage/Templar was was like ''Hey, you remember that big war between these two factions that has been set up and was a very big deal in the previous game? Yeah, that's all solved now. It's fine. All is good.''
A male Divine would've made no sense, but man, it would've been so cool and chaotic. Like, Thedas would've descended into utter chaos. I'm here for it, TBH.
The fort stuff shown in the pre alpha demo seemed so cool and interesting. I felt like there was gonna be more dynamic fort stuff when managing the inquisition like you could see the results in more than just the war table text. Inquisition ended up being my least favorite dragon age game I'm hoping the next da takes more from origins and 2 than inquisition
All these cut content videos from all the games makes me really optimistic for Dreadwolf. There's so many great ideas here, and if they were cut from previous games it's likely at least some of them will come back in the future. It's been almost 10 years since Inquisition, so they've had so much time to perfect it. Granted, it has been an insanely troublesome development cycle.
morrigan explaining everything to a dalish inquisitor is such an ick for me i can’t even begin to explain. it would’ve looked a lot better if in some scenes instead of morrigan inquisitor would explain things or translated some phrases that are written in the temple of mythal. like, come on, it’s that easy!!! i really like morrigan, but girl, do you really think you know more about dalish gods and culture than a dalish inquisitor, or formerly even clan’s first, if you play as a mage. WHO ARE LITERALLY NEXT TO KEEPERS IN PRESERVING ELVEN LANGUAGE AND LORE. and the scene when it is decided who is going to take a dive in a well of sorrows just infuriates me. like is that even a question, especially when you play as a dalish and morrigan says she is better suited to use the knowledge of the well. just no.
Yeah, it's silly. I agree it would've been great to have a Dalish Inquisitor be able to say ''umm yeah thank you Morrigan but look at me, see my Vallaslin? Yeah, I'm Dalish. I know this shit.'' Love to see Morrigan and Solas bicker about the Elven Gods though, Solas just wanting to tell her she's wrong but can't because he'll give himself away if he does. xD
Bioware should have cut the multiplayer. The pc divine should have been for only human female, like the human noble only can king/queen. I would have wanted to play only human with a deeper personal story for the inquistor. P.S. I like playing as an other race but dragon age 2 and Inquisition really didn't fit the story with different races.
I Hi love your videos i have 2 questions do you have a twitch and will you do a walkthrough one day as I can't find any good walkthroughs of the trilogy
Glad to hear that! I have a Twitch but I don't stream there. If I were to stream I would do it on UA-cam. 😄As for walkthroughs, do you mean like the main story quests or like sidequests and everything? I don't know if I would enjoy making that kind of content. 😅 Though, I have thought of streaming a playthrough of all three games at some point
@@LisaLynnsTavern I only ask because I enjoy your commentary for someone who is only just started uploading recently your content great and I would say your doing better than a lot of UA-camrs I for one would definitely watch a playthrough
Awh thank you! ❤ And thank you for making suggestions too! I will definitely think about it, I've currently got a lot of ideas for videos lined up but maybe walkthroughs are something I can do in the future 😃
I thought the Solas section also deserved the mention of he was supposed to be bisexual, has recorded lines and everything, but they cut that out in the end
I actually almost added that part in, but when I looked into it I found a tweet in which someone asked Patrick Weekes if they had intended to write Solas as bi but were unable to due to lack of time/budget, to which Patrick replied: twitter.com/patrickweekes/status/646891965045448708?lang=en So from what I'm getting from this, is that they just didn't intend for him to be bi, or that they decided against it for the reason stated in the tweet. I did also find the recorded lines, however I've read that apparently BioWare has both their female and male protagonists voice actors record all romance lines, regardless of whether they'll be used in game or not. Which would make sense I guess, I know there is a video where you can hear a male Hawke say female Hawke lines. Because of all of this I was just really torn and because I didn't find a direct or source (as in like from the devs or an interview) that said Solas was actually intended to be bi, I decided to not include it. Though there's a chance I might've missed something, so if there's a source out there make sure to let me know 👀
The game was initially pitched as being a direct continuation of dragon age 2, where you would have played as hawke again.this was changed after the backlash of 2.
Very interesting. I have to begin saying that for me Inquisition is a game that failed to deliver, I loved DAO and DA2, and Inquisition simply didn't click that much with me. Some the many reasons are the Story, the companions, many of the mechanics, and the Protagonist itself, I totally felt connected with my Mage Warden and my Hawke, but the Inquisitior was just so bland and boring for me. Still, I don't think Inquisition is overall a bad game, just kind of mediocre. I find more interesting the Architect version of Here Lies the Abyss than the one we got (and that quest was one of the few parts of the story that I liked). But I still think that the Hero of Ferelden (or the Orlesian Warden) should had been the Warden character that joined you for that mission. I am curious about the Wicked Eyes Wicked Hearts different versions, because I loathe the one we got for completely. I am also curious about the third option with Cole, I would have also liked to see the option were Corypheus controlled him, but that's me, because overall I don't like Cole 😂 (the last playthrough I didn't even recruit him anymore). Corypheus is not even hard compared to his DA2 fight, so having 3 characters wasn't much of a problem. Cool video, tho.
Thank you! And that's fair! While Inquisition's my favourite, I can totally see why it just doesn't do it for other people Also, yeah I would love to see our Warden again, though I don't think it's ever gonna happen 😭
@David Kings "But I still think that the Hero of Ferelden (or the Orlesian Warden) should had been the Warden character that joined you for that mission" that would kinda knee cap any joy i got seeing loghain or alistair in the mission. and also it would have basically made the choice between the warden commander or hawke a real no brainer who do you want to save the person who saved the world or" just some champion of a city", and add to the fact many players worship the ground the Hero of Ferelden walks which would make the choice rather too one sided. in all honestly i was never much connected to Hero of Ferelden or most and i think if dragon age 2 got the time it needed it would have rivaled origins in fans and approval
See, that is what I thought, but after reading more about, it seems it was BioWare themselves (or at least their executives) that wanted to use Frostbite. While the engine caused a lot of problems, it does have its strengths
All devs should switch to unreal engine its free and way better than every engine out there and is good for all hardware but no bethesda,EA etc gotta keep using thier crap engines still
I can't help but really dislike Inquisition in retrospect. It felt very out of touch with the previous two games. It's sad that the one game in the series I think is worth skipping is the biggest one
I’m really sad that Inquisition never really got a true beginning like Origins. I know that the race you pick tells you the character’s background but I would’ve absolutely loved the starting mission to be arriving at the temple with your small team of your chosen background and mingle a bit with some characters before the main game starts.
Yeah, I 100% agree! Hopefully we'll have something like that in the next game
As much as I hated that it wasn't like that. I like the mechanism of how they implemented your amnesia and all you had to go off of was people's speculation, unraveling the truth as we go. I'd have loved an origins style beginning but looking at the way the story went, I'm glad it didn't have that kind of beginning as I don't think it would have worked as well here.
It truly could've been as simple as a short conversation with one person from your background in the Conclave, then listening in on a single scene of a heated debate between Divine Justinia, the mages, and templars that would set up the foundation of the conflict. A magic orb flies out of nowhere at the crescendo of the debate and you grab it as it explodes.
For an Adaar you chat with a Valo-Kas mercenary buddy before standing at attention. Cadash and Lavellan speak with whomever their contact is before peeking out from the rafters. Finally the Trevelyan's could speak with the head representative of the side they find themselves on before convening.
Easier said than done, but the amnesia was totally unnecessary when the story very much could've started three minutes earlier.
@@apuppynamedoz I don't think so, we don't have to see the amnesia part, just the beginning intro part.
I hated how every background tries to force you down the good guy path
choosing the qunari? well you aren't really part of the qun
choosing an elven supremist? well you are actually a clan of tolerant elves
choosing a dwarf? barely any dwarfs in the relevant story
seriously my self made character background in my head cannon made playing DAI way more fun in terms of roleplay (human hating elve assassin gets send to kill the divine to renew the sort of human civil war but gets one upped by corypheus, gets proclaimed a religious leader against her will and now tries her best to incite as much unrest as possible while still having to stop corypheus and being watched to close to just bail)
I'm not surprised it was created with Human PCs only in mind. Especially when playing as an Elven Inquisitor during the Temple of Mythal quest. We get tidbits in the bigger scenes, but Morrigan acts like she knows more of Elven culture than us through the entire game, and literally explains what the Temple of Mythal is like I don't have "property of mythal" tattooed on my face 😭
I know right, I just love the fact that as a Dalish Inquisitor you can ask her ''Mythal??? Who????'' because it's just funny xD
My head canon is that clan Lavellan is the clan where one Keeper went crazy and taught everyone the wrong stories with the wrong names.
"So you know Mythal? Forget her and embrace Azura"
It would be like that one maniac in a game of telephone.
Well as a dalish inquisitor is always funny to bring Sera along "elfy stuff"
"Gillanan... Ass"
But seriously i could buy Morgan knowing more about the elf than the dalish themselves.. the dalish have little written and pass a lot via oral tradition, most clans are isolated and even those that still meet are basically playing telephone with each others..
Even the Keepers prefer to destroy old relics they don't know or understand like the eluvians..
@@andrews.5212 I can understand her knowing _some_ things that the Dalish PC doesn't, but the evanuris are one of the only things the Dalish do (generally) know for themselves. It's just hilarious to see an elf, especially one with Mythal's vallaslin, asking this random human who this elven god is
It's very obviously not meant for your character but exposition for us, the player.
I think the ending would have been a lot more well-received if Corypheus had attacked Skyhold, especially if all the decisions we made about how to build the Inquisition played into the final battle. As it is, I think a lot of us felt like the ending lacked some punch - like, his final plan is to try his first plan again? The one that already didn't work even when he had the Anchor? Come on, that's just sad.
I do think that the Trespasser DLC finished the story with an appropriate bang, though.
I agree. It would have felt like there was more at stake. And now that you mention our desicions in building the Inquisition, the suicide mission from Mass Effect 2 comes to mind, where your actions affect who lives and dies. The way you build the Inquisition and how you upgraded Skyhold would've had an effect on the final battle.
Oh yeah the Trespasser DLC was great 😄 It's my favourite DLC to be honest. I feel like Trespasser is BioWare at their best
to be honest my biggest story criticism of the entire game is that corypheus is such a lame villain. he never accomplishes anything meaningful after the inquisitor steps in. he fails to take over Orlais, fails to bring in the wardens and make his demon army, fails to access the well of sorrows or even get into the Eluvian, and then just kind of randomly tries opening the breach again out of desperation in the end
compare that to the Darkspawn from origins who basically had you beaten out at every turn thanks to loghain and you only barely manage to squeak a victory out by building allies from the sidelines while the horde destroys the entire country around you
whereas corypheus just destroys haven. that's like the one setback he causes in the entire story after the prologue. and he even fails at killing any of the inquisition's leadership like he planned to. a skyhold attack would have been a cool idea to at least give the impression he's competent enough to scheme anything
what a lame dude
I also recall one of the devs having said something about wanting to allow players to pick an outfit for the Winter Palace, but I don't think the idea went very far. It's a shame, but honestly it wouldn't be such a disappointing fact if Bioware hadn't decided that a bunch of Nutcracker uniforms were a good idea. Anything would have been better than that.
Hahahah yep, pretty much 😆
The concept arts are better unsurprisingly, they are not brutally different but a black uniform with a red band and slightly more detailed shoulder pads looks quite better in comparison
Would have been nice if we would have got some dress armors for that bit. Outfits for all the characters in line to what Vivienne naturally wears. I can just imagine the banter where someone like Sera complains about her 'awful' clothes, while Dorian is cheeky about how much he loves it.
I still can't believe this game is nearly 10 years old, it still holds up very well visually.
Try it on a 360 and say that again 😂 never should have released on that console just never
Absolutely disappointed how dragon age awakenings architect had been completely abandoned. He was such a compelling villain. Better than corypheus as far as I am concerned.
Here's to hoping he comes back at some point!
While the version of Here Lies the Abyss we've got sounds much more interesting, it's a real shame they keep completely ignoring the Architect. Really hoping they pick up on that plot point again.
Yeah I'd love to see him again. Even if the Warden/Warden Commander killed him, there's no way he's really dead. xD
@@LisaLynnsTavern they worked their way around dead characters before, Anders used a burnt corpse, Leliana had divine intervention
Corypheus got around death, so the Architect could too probably.
@@spiderz5145 That's another thought that passed my mind yes
@@kirbster3678 yeah… I think they’re both Magisters that went into the Golden City.
I really liked the look of the pre-alpha camera, closer and angled down slightly whilst out of combat
Yeah, and also how it would zoom in during a conversation, even if it's with a smaller/less important NPC
I do believe that the last quarter of the story was very quick and it felt like everything was happening so fast. In other words it should've gotten more scenes or maybe an extra quest.. I feel like we needed to know more about Corypheus cuz after all he was the main villain. Anyways, great video and keep it up.
And actually it's good to know that someone is still playing Inquisition and spending time to make content about it, it is us who should thank you ❤
Awh thank you so much, I appreciate that!
Inquisition is my favourite actually haha
EVERYTHING was very quick.
We solve the super hyped war between Mages and Templars [something that's been building since Origins] in ONE cutscene, that only involves one of them joining the Inquisition and the other gets controlled by Corypheus. We solve the Orlean Civil War in just one quest. Nevarra and Tevinter are on the brink of war and we solve it.....in a war room mission.
Yeah I was hoping for the Mage/Templar War to be a major part of Inquisition instead its just a foot note
meeting the Architect would've been so cool! I'm glad he's still one their plans...i just hope they take their time with DA4 so they don't have to cut out anything.
(ps: must protect Cole
I'm hoping we'll run into him again one day, along with one of the other magisters.
Yes, Cole is precious :D
Cole best precious boy
At one point, I had an idea of Skyhold being attacked from Morrigan's eluvian and the player having to pick paths around groups of enemies, which would have been really cool, as it would reward exploration of Skyhold and getting to know its layout. Though, I do enjoy the codex entries that were strewn about and Lord Trifles Minutiae if he wasn't in the vault 90% of the time.
Oh yeah he's a pain to get to if he's in the vault, takes ages to unlock it haha. He's great though xD
I thought we'd get an expanded version of Vigil's Keep in Awakenings, ie the more you take time to upgrade it, the more likely it is to withstand a siege.
That would've been great yeah
Gasp! I can't believe Cullen was only added at the end! Wow. And Solas is such a tortured and awesome love story, I am surprised that wasn't planned all along. Thanks for such an in-depth look, very fascinating!
I know right! The Solas one is just one of those romances that ties into the story really well.
And thank you for watching! 😄
And Cullen was intended to be bisexual too, but couldn't implement it because they ran out of time.
I smack Solas every chance I get
Out if all this interesting cut content my brain chooses to focus on, ANDERS, Where is my rebel mage Anders
If the Architect isn't somehow involved in DA:D, I will riot. He HAD to know what was going on and somehow, I don't think he's gone. No way. Especially since he was responsible for the 5th Blight, why wouldn't he find his way to Tevinter and "correct the mistakes made by Corypheus's failure"?
So much of this is awesome ❤️ Thank you for making these! I may or may not be including some of these things in my fanfic now .......
I know right! Even if our Warden/Warden commander killed him, I don't think he's really dead
Thank you, glad you liked it! 😄 Ooo nice 👀 I imagine cut content is good fanfic material
@@LisaLynnsTavern Hey there! 😸 Yeah, I will die on the hill of I Don't Think He's Dead. Corypheus was dumb and got obsessed with Godhood. The Architect is smarter than him xD I mean, it's in the name! Lol Please keep making awesome things ❤️
Same hahah
I do my best! 😇
I'll admit I wish the third option for Cole had stayed. I really like the version of Cole we had in Asunder and feel like he got watered down a lot in Inquisition, and that third option in his quest would have aligned a lot more with his book-self.
Let us hope that all the time Bioware had for DA: Dreadwolf pays off with something close or just like Origins in both content and quality, fingers crossed!
We'll have to wait and see!
I’d really like if they bring in more customisation options to base building and character creation…especially hair 😂
Oh yeah I 100% agree haha. I'm really hoping we'll have some sort of secret base in the next game that we can customise and upgrade. Also yeah, hair.... 😂 I don't really need 10 types of bald thank you
@@LisaLynnsTavern always annoying when you see two Wardens with the same haircut but different genders 😂 also I hope they have better graphics
regarding badass prosthetics for anyone, let alone our inky
if anyone could do it' it'd be Dagna- and she'd absolutely RELISH the chance to make a lyrium-infused prosthetic that functions and moves like a normal limb don't even try denying that Dagna'd be all over it~
Agreed!!
@@LisaLynnsTavern which is EXACTLY why I'm having her do exactly that in my ficlet XD
@@LisaLynnsTavern sidenote I'm screenshotting your comment (including the fact it's been HIGHLIGHTED by the UA-camr themself lol) as proof this theory can and should be cannon lore lol
The custom keeps and battle scenarios were you choose how certain troops responded wouldve adeded so much rather than just sticking a flag somewhere and calling it yours. Whish they could of kept one of those two things in the game even if they had to size down some of the maps to add it.
Yep, agreed.
Great video. Skyhold did to me always feel like another Haven attack waiting to happen, so was little disappointed when it didn't turn out that way. Oh and no Sandal too, but I think he might appear in DA:Dreadwolf.👀
Hopefully! I'd love to see him again
Burning the boats was also supposed to create a mission involving the red templars being cut off from escape, which would have had consequences on the surrounding areas. Inquisition promised a lot of player choices, and they failed to deliver.
Also, I heard they were going to have a one on one fight between the Inquisitor and Corypheus in the sky, but they had to cut it. Some of the dialogues from companions still exists though.
Oh, cool! Where did you hear that? There's so much info scattered all around the internet, but it's hard to find sometimes (x
@@LisaLynnsTavern I don't remember. Probably one of DanaDuchy's videos about cut content and cut dialogue.
@@BelieveIt1051 Ah okay, yeah that would make sense haha
Once again, thank you for the great video!
Apparently the Skyhold invasion was mentioned during a commentary on a stream done by Summerfall Studios on Twitch. Even then it was more of a side-note than anything else.
Unfortunately, it has been 2 years, and the videos are long gone from Twitch. They tweeted it will be available on their YT channel, but only videos on their new game Chorus are present.
There is a tumblr with summary of what has been talked, though it admittedly is paraphrased, so maybe not as good as concrete facts ^^
And thank you for watching!
Yeah, I watched most of them back then and I remember really enjoying them.🙁 I'm kinda sad they haven't uploaded the vods to UA-cam cause I'd love to watch them again at some point, plus they'd be really useful for videos like this one xD I actually used that Tumblr page a few times when my memory failed me haha, but yeah the actual vods themselves would be best.
Side-eying a little over cutting taking Cole away in the final battle after I went into Trespasser with Iron Bull after not doing his personal quest…
Yeah it's sadly very obvious that the game was made for a human, and the other races were added in later. Playing Lavellan and getting schooled about the Elven gods by Morrigan was quite a moment lol
Yeah it was hahaha
The version of Here Lies The Abyss we saw in trailers shows Warden Commander Clarel fighting alongside Hawke and the Inquisitor as well, so it seems she was intended to be the Warden who accompanied us to the Fade instead of Alistair / Loghain / Stroud?
Awesome video! Can’t believe it’s been so long since Inquisition released
Thank you! And ikr, almost 8 years 😭
This wasn't mentioned in the video, but I wished they kept the original opening at the beginning of the game. Where once the Inquisitor comes out of the interrogation, a whole sworm of people start to yell and scream at them to the point where one of the hecklers throws a rock at the Inquisitor that Cassandra had to apprehend him. It would've shown first hand how much disdain the people had for the Inquisitor at the start of the game. And would've made the progression from becoming the most hated person in Thedas to becoming a well-respected Leader more evolved.
Ohh interesting! 👀 Did they talk about this in an interview somewhere? Info on cut content is all over the place and I might've completely missed this haha
@@LisaLynnsTavern It's in one of the World of Thedas Books, where there's a full Storyboard on how the Intro scene would play out. Along with there being cut dialogue in the game files, which should be up on UA-cam somewhere.
@@NoodleNerd Oooo I will take a look at it, thank you! 😄
While it sounds great narratively, an attack on Skyhold like the attack on Haven would have meant designing the skyhold locations for combat: Big, open, visually-undistracting combat zones, with the hallways and offices being either off-limits or artificially larger and blander throughout. Something like the library would have been impossible in battle.
Should have kept the inquisitor divine thing would have been amazing especially since you basically control the world by the end anyway lol
I get why they decided not to do it, but it would have been very interesting haha
Make sense there was meant to be an attack on skyhold. The one thing Inquisition lacked was a "darkest moment" before the victory. A moment of powerlessness. I would have like that.
The Inquisitor becoming the Divine is a massive missed opportunity. I remember way back when I was binging the series in preparation for Inquisition being extremely excited about Morrigan's words at the end of her DLC in Origins about a big change coming to the world and also there was all that hype of the Chantry being wiped out of by the Elder One (we only had theories about him being Corypheus back then). And that is not even talking about the mage revolution, the civil war in Orlais or Briala's elven uprising... everything seemed like a melting pot for a turning point in the history of Thedas yet by the end of Inquisition what we got was essentially a restoration of the status quo. To this day I think it's conclusion to be one of the biggest experiences in "blue balls" I had with gaming lol
I believe the Inquisitor becoming the Divine would work in being one of the possible big changes in Thedas either that or finally letting the Chantry and the system of Templars and Circles die, replacing it with a more secular Inquisition.
Oh yeah I totally see what you mean haha, the whole mage vs templar was was resolved way too quickly and way too easily. I didn't really mind it too much when I first played DAI, tbh I was more confused about who Corypheus was and why Varric knew all about him because I didn't have the Legacy DLC at the time. 😆 I played all three games back to back because I discovered the series kind of late, so maybe my experience would've been different if I had been waiting for Inquisition to release.
Though now with Dreadwolf it seems shit's really gonna go down...but we'll see haha. Either way it's fun to be in the fandom and be hyped for the next game (despite the long wait lol)
I do wonder what it would've been like with our Inquisitor as Divine. I wonder if the end slides with an Inquisitor as Divine would've been different based on how they judged people at Skyhold. And probably also the choices you made throughout the rest of the game
I’m so glad I discovered your channel! Love the videos you put out so far, looking forward to more.
Okay, another GLARING bit of cut content is the missing improvements for Skyhold. There are several sections of the fortress that clearly were meant to be improved by the player, but we just never get the chance to.
Pretty much all the developer comments I've read from ex-devs claim that the move to Frostbite was forced onto them by EA, so a bit interesting hearing it being called Biowares choice. Regardless, nice video and glad I watched it.
Heyaa, thank you!
At the time of researching this video, I found articles about an interview in which Aaryn Flynn (former General Manager at BioWare) told Jason Schreier that it was BioWare's desicion to start using Frostbite. That's where I got the information from. I also listened to the interview myself and Aaryn has indeed said that it was their desicion. However I'm now aware there is also another Jason Shreier article (which came out later) that says it was actually an initiative led by former EA executive Patrick Söderlund to get all of their studios to use Frostbite, so I wouldn't be surprised if it actually was forced upon them. Though it's still weird that Aaryn has said the opposite, so I'm not sure what is actually true... My best guess is, it was a bit of both.
@@LisaLynnsTavern Thank you for the in-depth reply, I really appreciate you sharing your source on this and you're right that does sound pretty complicated, so completely sensible to quote the devs answer directly given competing info.
@@GreenerOdin You're welcome :)
Wow great channel, have you just started posting videos 4 months ago( by what youtube shows me) ? Quality content i am glad youtube recommended me your video. Keep up the good work !
Yep! I uploaded my first video in February 😄
Thank you!!
I could be wrong about this since I'm only going off of personal expereice using mods to romance Solas as a male elf, but I'm pretty sure they cut that option as well, possibly due to it being too last second of an addition. Still some recorded lines of both male inquis remain in game for romancing solas, unlike how others are muted (ie iif you mod it for a male inquis to romance cullen, all the inquis dialogue will be silent as nothing was recorded for that option)
I love looking at the what ifs in cut game content. So, much could've been better if the circumstances would have allowed it. If I could choose just one of these cut content ideas to be in the game with no issues it would definitely be the unique origins starts for the races.
In the base game the Inquistor can feel apart from the world instead of in it and I feel that this could've made it so much better.
Also if you need ideas for videos I think reviewing or go through the banter of each game to talk about the interesting dialogue in them. Not a lot of people have gone through it all and many people don't know the really great stuff in them.
Yeah me too! I actually had a lot of fun researching these videos.
Yeah, the small piece of text that you get before you start the game is just kinda.. meh. But I also get that complete separate origin stories probably wouldn't have been doable. Maybe we'll get something like it in the next game!
That's a good idea actually, thank you! I will definitely keep that in mind. I know there are a lot of easter eggs in banter but there's also things like Adoribull or the Josephine/Blackwall thing (...Which, did take me years to find out that was a thing lol)
@@LisaLynnsTavern I do get that. I remember watching those videos with David Gaider and Mark Darrah on why the time issue. But if we could some how put one feature in DAI with no issues whatsoever I think the origins would be number one on that list.
Exactly a lot of people just haven't heard of it. Me though I sat down and watched a collective of 10 hours of banter across the games and thoroughly enjoyed it. There all pretty good.
@@Knight1029 Yeah I absolutely love the companion banter, it's so good. Whenever it starts I just stop and listen haha
@@LisaLynnsTavern like you are on your way to kill the Archdemon and Alistair and Morrigan start talking you have to put down all things aside to listen.
''shhhh you stupid dragon! My friends are talking and I gotta hear absolutely every word they're saying!''
Controversial or not, divine inquisitor would’ve been a wonderful option. To outright say what you want to do with Templars and mages would’ve fixed a lot of the problems that are implied with asking for help closing the breach and who you end up with as divine and the loss of context about what they do as divine. As cool as the decision is in the base game, I just can’t comprehend the technicalities of Vivienne’s decisions as divine and same with Leliana’s free mages; we don’t really see how any of that turns out and nobody outright says anything about it.
To add to the (minor) issues with trespasser, if Fiona is a free mage either through earning the circle’s trust with Vivienne or Leliana’s liberation, why wouldn’t she show up to discuss things with us or the elected divine? The fact that Vivienne and Fiona start rivalling circles is very confusing.
YES!!!!! God the idea of the Inquisitor getting a weapon prosthetic is so damn cool!!!! Honestly, in general, I'd love to have our Inquisitor implemented into DA:D somehow ;-; I really wouldn't mind being able to chose between our grey warden, hawke or inquisitor for the playable characters, instead of a new hero again.
Ikr!
I actually like the fact that we're getting a new protagonist, though I feel like it would be weird for the Inquisitor not to make an appearance. It would only make sense that they'd want to be there personally, especially when dealing with Solas
@@LisaLynnsTavern Exactly! The relation to Solas is too important for them not to be involved
Wow i didn't know that we almost got a game without Cullen and Solas' romances ! As they are both my favorite romances (Cullen lover all the way haha) I think my experience of the game would have been much different x)
Yeah I'm really glad they had time to add them! I've yet to do a playthrough where I romance Cullen, but Solas is my canon haha
Huh, cool stuff again! 😁😁😁
Meeting the Architect would have been AMAZING, though I do wonder if they'd have used the 'body-hopping' technique of Cory's to explain his presence in the world states where Archie was killed! 😁
And the shadow of a possibility with Anders, oh my! Also very thought-inducing! Especially regarding what he woulda thought of the mage/templar situation in 9:40.
Also, fully agree on the Skyhols attack front - having Cory and the dragon swoop down on all that we'd built throughout the game would really put things into perspective!
Thanks for putting this together, will definitely be on the lookout for new vids once there is more info about DA:D! 😉😁
Thank god they included the extra races. Hated that you could only be human in DA2
Yeah haha
@Spartanunit5
i mean for DA2 allowing to be a elf ,dwarf or qunari would be a bit weird with your family (though you could just be adopted)
though origins had no such excuse for not allowing you to be an qunari.
@@chongwillson972 yeah I know, But if they had t made you part of a family then they could have done it. If they really wanted to include Bethany and Carver they could have been fellow refugees instead of your siblings
@@Spartanunit5
i mean adoption is a thing , though if they have too cut it down to 2 races than human and qunari would be great options, being a qunari during the arishok point of the game would be really interesting.
Another piece of cut content I stumbled across when trying to mod the game is that you were originally supposed to go to the Grand Cathedral, which was most likely part of the pre-COTJ templar plot as a mirror to the pre-IHW Redcliffe part of the mage plot. There are references to the Grand Cathedral in relation to the COTJ plot, and Knight-Captain Denam's in-code description mentions that he guards the Grand Cathedral and won't let you in. I am very bummed that this didn't make it into the final cut, especially since it would likely have meant more characterization for Knight-Captain Denam, who got very little characterization and not even as much as a backstory.
9:50 shadows looks more like Hawke. he has the same staff Hawke uses in DA2 cinematic
Yeah you're right, it might very well be Hawke. The art was made between DA2 and DAI, so it might have been something to do with the Exalted March DLC plot.
You should 100% do a "What do we know about Dread wolf" type video!
Ooo good idea, I'll keep that in mind!
In my first playthrough I expected a siege on Skyhold, it would have been epic💀
Interesting they removed the "Cole taken over by Corypheus" part due to combat balance... but then take Iron Bull away from you in Trespasser depending on how his personal arc played out. So you end up in a 3 vs. mob + Bull.
True. That was me on my first playthrough cause I somehow missed his personal quest. I was really surprised and had no idea why it was happening hahaha
Can't remember if I commented this but recently found your channel and really like your Dragon Age content 👍
Thank you!!
Bioware's primary idea was to make Cassandra advisor and Cullen a party companion instead of her. I wonder how that would've turn out.
Cory attacking Skyhold would have been interesting, maybe not him but his forces trying to pin the Inquisition down after he learns of their survival. Similar to how Loghain sends Zevran after the Wardens in Origins after he learns of their survival.
Also Bioware using the same engine as another EA game is quite interesting, I wonder if that is another mess that EA made in an effort to use in-house stuff (so to speak) to maybe keep costs down thus turn more of a profit? But I'm glad they pushed it back a year, the 'Human Only' didn't really go down that well for DA2 after the awesomeness that is Origins.
Hopefully EA loosing the sole rights to the Star Wars games will be a kick to their ego and will let Bioware take their time with DA4/Dreadwolf.
Yeah! And it would keep us alert, just like the moment in Origins when you get attacked at camp.
EA forcing all of their studios to use Frostbite is something I've heard a lot (which wouldn't surprise me) but after researching this for the video, it seems that it was BioWare (or their executives at least) that wanted to use Frostbite. Despite all of the technical difficulties that they faced, Frostbite does have a lot of strengths as well.
Yeah I hope so too! I just want them to take all the time they need haha, we've already waited so long, I don't mind waiting a couple of years more if it means a better game. xD Also, the fact that it's going to be fully singleplayer means that EA hopefully learned their lesson and realise that yes, people still do love good singleplayer games!
From everything I’ve been reading. Inky is coming back for DA4 Dread Wolf. Sooo, I’m like 90% sure they are going to do the one armed warrior thing. Much like Gutz from Berserk had one arm wielding a massive Sword and the other arm was mechanical that shot arms like a crossbow.
I could see Bianca and Varric taking Inky somewhere, where Bianca could design a new mechanical weapon. Specifically for the use of the “Heist” missions. Such as a Grappling Hook launcher, a grenade launcher and a crossbow all in one.
Some of these sound so compelling, I really hoped when the last quest came that Corypheus would attack Skyhold. I mean, you spend all your time customizing it and talking to people there, to have that attacked would be so much more dramatic than just booking it back to Haven because he's yoinked the temple out of the ground like a shitty MCU Ultron gambit.
Also think that Cole's third option would've actually been more interesting. We don't get enough opportunities for party members to turn on you like in Origins. They just begrudgingly put up with your shit. Iron Bull's arm canon should definitely be an Inky thing next game, even if we only see the inquisitor very rarely. Interesting that Anders had concept art like that. I wonder if that's for an Anders Hawke didn't keep around or an Anders that stuck around til the end or romanced. Had no idea about the Architect!! Such a cool character that has barely been mentioned since Awakening.
I would've loved to meet the Architect in DA:I.
Honestly, it's stuff like this that gives me less and less hope for DA4. They never listen to their fanbase, and always cut out the content their fans want for the oddest of reasons. The only content they cut that I'm actually grateful for is the Exalted March DLC, where Varric was supposed to die. Honestly I'm just done with DA.
A lot of things get cut due to budget or time constraints etc, I'm sure the devs aren't happy when they have to cut things, but unfortunately that's something that has to happen eventually
We'll have to wait and see what DA4 will be like. I'm excited for it, but if you feel like you're done with DA that's totally fine, there's so many other good games out there! 😄
dang - that pre alpha build looked great.
I know right ):
I understand the developers originally intended to give Cole a really weird looking hat. Too bad that got cut.
It's very unfortunate that they cut part of the story, the game definitely has an "intro, Act.I and Act.I,I" I felt like we needed an act.III, it doesn't needed to be as many things to do like 1 and 2, hear me out.
On the first act, we crush half of his army in a single blow, in the second, we deal with his influence in Thedas politics, he them would've attacked Skyhold, but this time without success, now with no army, no influence, he would do the only thing left, to summon the darkspawn through his dragon, so we'd get a main mission in Orzammar, some new quests on the Storm Coast and Crestwood, and another main mission somewhere else in Orlais or the Free Marches (I'd prefer the later), not big, just to deal with a Darkspawn Horde on one and one of those darkspawn broodmother, then we'd proceed to Haven Again.
That's why I gave the game an score of an 8.5, I felt like we needed more darkspawn centered missions, because Coryfenis is frickin one...
I guess one of the reasons for not using the Darkspawn could be that he was already using the Wardens, and he was very confident (a bit too much, haha) so maybe he thought he didn't need them. I don't know, good question though!
And hey who knows, maybe we'll run into more Darkspawn in the next game. I'd have liked going back to Orzammar though, would've loved exploring the city in Inquisition's graphics
@@LisaLynnsTavern I'd love to go to Denerin too, explore the city's alleys, corridors and such, in the new graphics would be great, plus a new trading post.
BUT, Orzammar, can you imagine that huge towering city in DAI graphics?
Oh boy, I would *definitely pay for that.*
Huge missed opportunity there haha.
Yeah haha, but I'm sure Tevinter will be impressive too!
Frostbite really screwed Bioware. Was there any game they released after they switched, that didn't include the phrase "troubles during development because of Frostbite"?
It's funny how Square-Enix faced the same problem. It seems RPGs are really demanding.
Thankfully they're letting BioWare use Unreal for the next Mass Effect
@@LisaLynnsTavern
Sadly that doesn't seem to be the case for DA4. Not that I am optimistic for either game anyway, but seeing them still try to make Frostbite work is kinda funny.
I love your video, it is very well documented. Greetings from Spain. I m so sorry for my bad english xd
Thank you! 😃
And don't worry, your English is fine!
All that aside, i'm still mad that we didn't had the chance to upgrade our companions quarters! I mean look at bulls and cullens bedroom! They fight alongside me/for me and all they get is a trash-hole with a collapsing roof 😅 wth??
I absolutely love your content, I could listen to you reading the phonebook with that adorkable accent, the fact you're talking Dragon Age is just the chefs kiss. Keep up the great work.
awh thank you haha!
I remember when I beat Inquisition I felt disappointed it felt like I had only beaten half a game so many storylines seemed to have been rushed or cut short especially the Mage/Templar War
Yeah the Mage/Templar was was like ''Hey, you remember that big war between these two factions that has been set up and was a very big deal in the previous game? Yeah, that's all solved now. It's fine. All is good.''
meeting anders it woulbe amazing
Man, hearing about Inquisition’s development gives me Andromeda vibes.
A male Divine would've made no sense, but man, it would've been so cool and chaotic. Like, Thedas would've descended into utter chaos. I'm here for it, TBH.
You sound like Collette! (From the Frostback Basin).
Ohh do I? haha
The fort stuff shown in the pre alpha demo seemed so cool and interesting. I felt like there was gonna be more dynamic fort stuff when managing the inquisition like you could see the results in more than just the war table text. Inquisition ended up being my least favorite dragon age game I'm hoping the next da takes more from origins and 2 than inquisition
I really hope they bring back our inquisitor I want to play them again because the whole solas romance drama would be so perfect for the game.
We didn’t get keep options that had it like MEA !!!
Huh, the Gatlok Bull.
It recently come on x box game pass, and its my secound play through, brilliant game.
Nice! 😄
All these cut content videos from all the games makes me really optimistic for Dreadwolf. There's so many great ideas here, and if they were cut from previous games it's likely at least some of them will come back in the future. It's been almost 10 years since Inquisition, so they've had so much time to perfect it. Granted, it has been an insanely troublesome development cycle.
We'll have to wait and see!
Dragon Age: Absolution should be released this year. I think it will be good material for content. Maybe it will even be a good show
Yeah, December! We'll have to wait and see if it's good, but I'm looking forward to watching it either way 😄
And the great content keeps coming
I hope they remaster the trilogy and we get all the cut content
Hopefully one day!
morrigan explaining everything to a dalish inquisitor is such an ick for me i can’t even begin to explain. it would’ve looked a lot better if in some scenes instead of morrigan inquisitor would explain things or translated some phrases that are written in the temple of mythal. like, come on, it’s that easy!!! i really like morrigan, but girl, do you really think you know more about dalish gods and culture than a dalish inquisitor, or formerly even clan’s first, if you play as a mage. WHO ARE LITERALLY NEXT TO KEEPERS IN PRESERVING ELVEN LANGUAGE AND LORE. and the scene when it is decided who is going to take a dive in a well of sorrows just infuriates me. like is that even a question, especially when you play as a dalish and morrigan says she is better suited to use the knowledge of the well. just no.
Yeah, it's silly. I agree it would've been great to have a Dalish Inquisitor be able to say ''umm yeah thank you Morrigan but look at me, see my Vallaslin? Yeah, I'm Dalish. I know this shit.'' Love to see Morrigan and Solas bicker about the Elven Gods though, Solas just wanting to tell her she's wrong but can't because he'll give himself away if he does. xD
Bioware should have cut the multiplayer. The pc divine should have been for only human female, like the human noble only can king/queen. I would have wanted to play only human with a deeper personal story for the inquistor.
P.S. I like playing as an other race but dragon age 2 and Inquisition really didn't fit the story with different races.
God I knew there was messing content but not this much. Dang I hope the next game doesn't have any of these limitations.
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Hi love your videos i have 2 questions do you have a twitch and will you do a walkthrough one day as I can't find any good walkthroughs of the trilogy
Glad to hear that!
I have a Twitch but I don't stream there. If I were to stream I would do it on UA-cam. 😄As for walkthroughs, do you mean like the main story quests or like sidequests and everything? I don't know if I would enjoy making that kind of content. 😅 Though, I have thought of streaming a playthrough of all three games at some point
@@LisaLynnsTavern I only ask because I enjoy your commentary for someone who is only just started uploading recently your content great and I would say your doing better than a lot of UA-camrs I for one would definitely watch a playthrough
Awh thank you! ❤ And thank you for making suggestions too! I will definitely think about it, I've currently got a lot of ideas for videos lined up but maybe walkthroughs are something I can do in the future 😃
Great vid
Thank you!
Good to know!
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Thank you! 😄
its their own fault for choosing an engine that wasnt meant for what they wanted. but can't live w/out that multiplayer!
I thought the Solas section also deserved the mention of he was supposed to be bisexual, has recorded lines and everything, but they cut that out in the end
I actually almost added that part in, but when I looked into it I found a tweet in which someone asked Patrick Weekes if they had intended to write Solas as bi but were unable to due to lack of time/budget, to which Patrick replied:
twitter.com/patrickweekes/status/646891965045448708?lang=en
So from what I'm getting from this, is that they just didn't intend for him to be bi, or that they decided against it for the reason stated in the tweet. I did also find the recorded lines, however I've read that apparently BioWare has both their female and male protagonists voice actors record all romance lines, regardless of whether they'll be used in game or not. Which would make sense I guess, I know there is a video where you can hear a male Hawke say female Hawke lines. Because of all of this I was just really torn and because I didn't find a direct or source (as in like from the devs or an interview) that said Solas was actually intended to be bi, I decided to not include it. Though there's a chance I might've missed something, so if there's a source out there make sure to let me know 👀
The game was initially pitched as being a direct continuation of dragon age 2, where you would have played as hawke again.this was changed after the backlash of 2.
I'd be happy to see you play a DA game if you feel like posting it
I might stream a playthrough. ...One day xD
If all of these had found their way into the game, I kight have even liked it.
Very interesting.
I have to begin saying that for me Inquisition is a game that failed to deliver, I loved DAO and DA2, and Inquisition simply didn't click that much with me.
Some the many reasons are the Story, the companions, many of the mechanics, and the Protagonist itself, I totally felt connected with my Mage Warden and my Hawke, but the Inquisitior was just so bland and boring for me. Still, I don't think Inquisition is overall a bad game, just kind of mediocre.
I find more interesting the Architect version of Here Lies the Abyss than the one we got (and that quest was one of the few parts of the story that I liked). But I still think that the Hero of Ferelden (or the Orlesian Warden) should had been the Warden character that joined you for that mission.
I am curious about the Wicked Eyes Wicked Hearts different versions, because I loathe the one we got for completely.
I am also curious about the third option with Cole, I would have also liked to see the option were Corypheus controlled him, but that's me, because overall I don't like Cole 😂 (the last playthrough I didn't even recruit him anymore). Corypheus is not even hard compared to his DA2 fight, so having 3 characters wasn't much of a problem.
Cool video, tho.
Thank you!
And that's fair! While Inquisition's my favourite, I can totally see why it just doesn't do it for other people
Also, yeah I would love to see our Warden again, though I don't think it's ever gonna happen 😭
@David Kings
"But I still think that the Hero of Ferelden (or the Orlesian Warden) should had been the Warden character that joined you for that mission"
that would kinda knee cap any joy i got seeing loghain or alistair in the mission.
and also it would have basically made the choice between the warden commander or hawke a real no brainer who do you want to save the person who saved the world or" just some champion of a city", and add to the fact many players worship the ground the Hero of Ferelden walks which would make the choice rather too one sided.
in all honestly i was never much connected to Hero of Ferelden or most and i think if dragon age 2 got the time it needed it would have rivaled origins in fans and approval
Cut content are you gonna talk about the original mass effect dragon age ending they had or are you still stuck on the non important stuff?
This video only exemplifies why I hate EA, always ruining fantastic franchises for a quick buck.
I'm still salty about how they released keeps
huh, didn't make it into the game.... but fanfictions written by fans, now that's another story (pun intended)
I sad i wise had kept all cut content game would dragon age 3 so much better
Your inquisitor is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo pretty
Thank you! 😊
I would've like it if Cory DID attack Skyhold or kill off one of the advisers
It would have felt like there was more at stake, for sure
Does it have to be tea?
Tea, coffee, beer, water, whatever you like :D
Thats not why Bioware picked Frostbite. They picked it because EA forced them.
See, that is what I thought, but after reading more about, it seems it was BioWare themselves (or at least their executives) that wanted to use Frostbite. While the engine caused a lot of problems, it does have its strengths
All devs should switch to unreal engine its free and way better than every engine out there and is good for all hardware but no bethesda,EA etc gotta keep using thier crap engines still
I can't help but really dislike Inquisition in retrospect. It felt very out of touch with the previous two games. It's sad that the one game in the series I think is worth skipping is the biggest one
This game's development is truly a mess.