I love my E Niro (2020) even though the 12v battery isn't covered by the 7 year warranty ( Only 2 years cover). That said the car just delivers on range, delivers on practicality, comfort and functionality. It also has buttons !!!!
I bought a slightly used Niro ev 3 and just love it. Had a Niro hybrid before and knew I wanted to stick with a Niro. It’s a dream to drive and has all the safety features of the 4. I will never go back to ice cars
So glad you liked it. I'm a wheelchair user and just about to pick up my Niro EV 4 in a couple of weeks. It's going to be my first full EV Motability car ( currently on a Mini Countryman PHEV ) and due to my father in law having had a stroke recently we are going to be putting in the miles on regular visits to Wales. I'm slightly apprehensive therefore about my need to find accessible rapid chargers - although the 'super power' of the Niro top spec of being able to drive into a charging space while I am outside the car already in my wheelchair should mean that even in extreme circumstances I should be able to access 'normal' charging bays - so we'll see how that works out!
Thanks for an interesting and entertaining review of the Niro EV. I am almost 5 years and 100,000 km into owning an e-Niro here in France and it has been pretty much faultless, only the 12v battery needing replacement. Servicing costs have been half what the Niro hybrid would be and I reckon to have saved €8,000 on fuel as compared to a fossil fuel car doing 50 mpg. We have done long hauls to Switzerland, Germany and Spain as well as our regular annual trip back to the UK and some long trips within France. Efficiency is 14.1 kWh/100 km...about 4.2 miles/kWh winter/summer average. Worst ever real world range was a winter trip on autoroute averaging 110 kph where the range dropped to 350 km....In summer on local driving we see over 500 km at 100% SOC. The problem as you point out is price...these cars are still about €8,000 more expensive than a similarly equipped hybrid version....but I think for me it's paid for itself now and the resale prices here in France are about €5k better than the hybrid.
Having recently purchased an EV6 I have to say I’m seriously impressed. Ride quality, interior quality top notch. And the door makes that satisfying thump when you close it like my Golf R 7.5 did! Kia really upping the anti!
Congrats to your EV6, it's a very beautiful and nearly perfect car - love it. I am German and despite having no speed limit but seeing the climate crisis becoming more visible, I decided to decelerate my life and mobility. My leasing period was about to end in 2022, so two years ago I did a test drive with a Škoda Enyaq, Hyundai Ioniq 5 and a Kia EV6 GT. In the 2000's a colleague of mine bought a small Kia and I thought the quality was very poor compared to what I was used to, so my expectations were really low regarding Kia. (big mistake!) The Škoda, which is always the better VW, felt a little old school and is based on the recent shitty quality of parts from the VAG (VW & Audi Group) and little to no warranty. So I hoped the Hyundai Ionic 5 would be my favourite, but somehow I didn't like its interior and the preset of its drive assist was completely messed up for me to test some basic autonomous features. Then I drove the Kia EV6 AWD and holy cow that car fascinated me instantly, though I am not a car enthusiast, but I love technology and the pure power, the way it felt on the road, its safety features, the cockpit immediately defined the highest standard I have ever experienced and I have been driving some fancy combustion Audis, BMWs and Mercedes. I sadly also realized that all of these EVs were a little too much for my budget without having to cut down my many beloved hobbies. So I was looking for a compromise and since the cockpit of the Niro EV is very much alike that of the EV6 and I found a great Internet bulk deal with 2 year leasing offer with a fixed end price, plus the bonus from the German government and the manufacturer it suited my financial spot and since I read only great things about its predecessor, the e-Niro, it wasn't very likely the Niro EV would let me down. What I love about the Niro EV after 10 months real life use: - One Pedal Driving in the city is so very smooth and relaxing - perfect adjustment of the regeneration with the motor controller in iPedal mode - Highways drive assist (HDA) automatically sets speeds limit reliably/reads signs almost all the time - lane assist differentiates between orange and white line in construction areas, nice safety feature - highly efficient automatic stop & go takes all the annoyance out of every passionate driver - low power consumption despite its compact SUV shape - a well-designed cockpit (despite the use of piano finish) - seats relax position (sleep) is super comfy, though it's not disabled for the driver while driving :-) - has a frunk - no hustle with cables while stuff is already jamming the trunk - has been designed and produced with plenty of eco-friendly recycled materials - has been made in a free , democratic and humanitarian country - South Korea (not to confuse with scary inhumane China that is now building nice cars I must admitt, but would not buy unless their government changes its rules towards their poor own people and they establish a solid service network here in Germany!) What I don't like or miss on the Niro EV: - needs more acoustical attenuation in the rear - when you have zero motor noise, this matters at highway speeds - some software features, timeouts and logic are not very practical but could be fixed by updates - more DC charging power could not hurt on longer journeys, which I rarely do - 360° camera would be nice to have - is no expensive rocket science any more Overall it's a practical and very comfortable car, that feels roomy inside, even on the back seat its OK, but is very small on the outside when parking. I would not buy it for its official list price with its new current competition. Since I got it for under 70% of the list price when adding the leasing payments on top of the fixed end price, sure I would do it again under these conditions. Outside looks don't matter much to me, since I usually drive it from the inside :-) but I think it looks good in steel grey or white - am not a fan of the C-pillar in a different colour. The Niro EV definitely gets a 👍from me
I never owned the old version but have had the trim level 3 Niro EV for just over a year and really pleased with it. It's everything I was expecting. I don't do long journeys so don't need to worry about fast charging.
Hi Pete Pleased to see you eventually drive the Nero EV, watched you for some years but this is the first time commenting, Have owned a Niro EV since Nov 23 as for range the lowest I have see is 244ml in winter and have seen 298ml in summer, no I don't race around but I do the speed where applicable. I do have some hills to contend with living just outside Matlock Derbyshire.
We've had one since last April - cracking car. Only real problems have been zombie mode (rsometimes efusing to engage drive) which KIA sorted with a software fix last summer, and the original tyres were noisier than those fitted to the eNiro - still relatively quiet though. The range is always over 200 even in winter getting 210- 230 - nearer 280 in summer, and I don't hang around on there motorway! Never had to use public chargers so the "slow" charging speed hasn't been a problem.
Ive had my Niro ev since last September its a perfect car for me , not to big to fit in garage, all the tech and goodies you need ( heated and ventilated and electric on both driver and passenger seats ) and the range is spot on for my needs 😀 👍
I have the 2021 Kia eNiro, I have done over 60k miles in 3 years and I am getting just over 300 miles in the summer and after 3 years the overall average is still 285 miles.
We charge our eNiro with a 3 pin charger using solar power for about 8 months of the year. We are retired so day time charging is fine. We use the 7kWh charger when we need a quicker charge.
The analogy works but is a tad complicated to explain. Filling a bottle with foaming fluid is better. Initially the you can pour quickly but as he bottle reaches 3/4 full and the foam rises near the top you have to pour more slowly to avoid spilling. The last bit will be extremely slow.
After watching this excellent video I am reminded of the birth of the car in the US electric drive was the preferred option but once outside the big cities, there was little or no electricity to charge the batteries and so the gasoline engine flourished 170 odd years later nothing has really changed, charging is still the issue. Just before Christmas I looked seriously at the Nero, my diesel e class was getting harder and harder to get into and out of (both my wife and I are 75) so the time has come to buy that " family" suv. But here's the thing, on a motorway service station near where I live 12 charging stations 4 full, 2 out of order 6 available, fuel pumps 16 all working. Electric for me perfect the inferstructure pants
I got one of these last year (with trim level 3) and really enjoy it. GOM shows about 280 miles range in the summer and about 260 currently. What that is in reality don't know as I have never let it go below 20% A great EV though and I recommend it.
Glad to see you returned Pete and you I hope you recharged your own batteries , No punt intended! Kia have some very handsome and impressive cars with all that being said .... Missed ya mate 🙏🙏
Great video Pete. Bit late commenting on this one. My wife has an eNiro 4 (top spec) 2020 model. Done 35k miles. Super car, dog friendly, good range (same battery I think as new model - 64kwh) so agree with your range estimate - 240/250 is max real world range in Summer assuming "real" driving. Range in recent days with sub zero temps and motorway driving taking my daughter back to Uni kills the battery so again 200 miles is about right. Cayman GTS 4.0 parked up in the garage for the worst of the Winter with some Summer Euro trips to Swiss Alps and Black Forest planned. My sensible daily down to work in West London is a Seat Leon FR Sport - essentially a long wheel base VW Golf. Some great cars available from KIA, Seat and others which generally offer higher specs and genuine quality product in comparison to their premium priced peers. Keep up the great work.
As an EV owner, even rapid chargers will not charge fully to 100% in an hour. The rate of charge at 80% drops so considerably to preserve the battery that, as a rule of thumb the time it takes to charge from 10-80 will take about the same time from 80-100. So, always charge on public chargers to 80% maximum, and be on your way.
I had the Eniro for 2.5 years without heat pump and drove 47k km in that time. found it very easy to get 8km/kwh. great car wish I still had it. I have now the new Niro EV with heat pump for over 1 year and have 32k km on it. I find it very hard to get anywhere near the the same 8km/kwh as with the old model in all types of weather. that with the random power loss of 2-3%, when parked over night. the tailgate constantly rattles, even after the dealer fixed it. zombie mode with the preheat function problem. 12v battery failure, which I didn't have in the old eniro in 2.5 years. there are some great improvements over the old model, looks, headlights and kit inside, but a backward step with the efficiency.
After 12 months of using this car, I have never seen the range saying 200miles. Even in winter it shows 240 and summer 290 and it really does the range it says. It must have been thrashed to show a range of 200miles
Hello Petrol Ped, I have the 2021 e-Niro 3 fully electric, my range during the summer is 260-280 mile range dropping to 220 in the winter, slightly less if I pre heat the cabin before use, i.e activate the cabin heater, window demister, heated steering wheel , heated mirrors and rear window for the 10 minute timer by phone app. Ive really enjoyed the car and I've extended the lease by a further 12 months. overall a really good fully electric car experience. I use a 7kw home charger, using the cheaper overnight tariffs so the charging costs are very cheap.
My 15 year old E Class diesel has a range that is three times that of the ENiro. In fact, I can tow a 7.5 metre, 4 berth, fixed bed caravan more than 1 1/2 times the solo range of the E Niro lol
@@stevezodiac491Most EV drivers have owned or driven ice cars. So they are well aware of their good and bad points. If you want to drive 600 miles a day good for you.
Great E.V. Just does the Job. Great for Minicab, especially with the Warranty. Never owned one, but I know a lot of people which have. Most still own them after 4 Years, that seems to me to be a good recommendation. Great Video. Keep on Motoring.👍
Good video showing an EV like the Niro is a very capable car. Hotels near airports should have their business heads on and have lots of destination chargers. As an EV owner I’d choose a hotel based on its availability of destination chargers and would happily pay a premium rate for the electricity. A hotel near an airport will attract a higher proportion of owners of newer and company cars. Because of the BIK tax benefits a lot of business travellers will have EV company cars. With 250 car parking spaces the hotel you stayed at should have about 40 destination chargers and allow booking with the room. 7kW chargers aren’t too demanding on their electricity requirements, especially on a commercial site. They might even be able to increase room rates with this USP if demand for rooms increases along with making a profit on charging.
Two points:- 1. Many Motorway chargers are now 350Kwh max. Esp at charging hubs such as Rugby on the M6 and the new hub at Gatwick Airport. Gridserve are installing many new points, whilst Tesla is opening up many of its newest chargers to all comers. 2. If you are doing the booking always ask about charge points on site. I have several times not booked at hotels that do not have a charge point. And have had a pleasant time at a couple that did, in Wales and the Lake district.
Thanks for the very informative video. Excellent as usual. Comparing your description of everyday use with my used Jaguar I-Pace, the only advantage of the NIRO that I can see is the warranty. 2 year old Jags are now less than the new NIRO. Up to 100kW charging there is no difference in speed my car will cover 220 miles in the winter. Performance is better in the Jag. I am struggling to see what I would be me next car
I’m a driving instructor and it’s on my radar to replace my Hyundai Ioniq 38kWh. Surprised about the range and efficiency as the previous Nero was close to a 300 mile car, I can’t imagine the tech has got worse in the new model. Is it a case of the car using the historical driving style of the previous driver, and they’ve ragged it, so it’ll take a while to ‘reset’ and show a better range in the GOM.
I own e-Niro (4+ trim) and an EV6. In my opinion they made e-Niro unexpectedly too good. 64 kWh battery gives me better range than 77.4kWh in EV6 (both driven mostly in Eco mode). It's a shame that Niro EV doesn't follow e-Niro's effeciency plan.
I’m a driving instructor and have been running EVs for 5 years. You’ll find that because your lessons through the day are varied you get much better fuel economy in an EV. The lessons where you spend time parking or starting with a new learner don’t use much battery because when your stopped the motor is stopped as well and at low speed consumption is good. Around town EVs are economical. My previous 2 cars were Nissan Leafs and achieved 4.3miles/kW as a long term average. My current Model 3 runs at 4.8 miles/kW. I don’t notice any drop off in winter but I live and work on the South coast where temperatures rarely hit freezing. Pedro had a press car so the GOM will be all over the place. A better estimate of range is to use your miles per kW against the battery capacity.
@@EVinstructor I got around 4.7 m/kWh on lessons last week, and temperatures were around 2-4° for most of the days. Live in Stoke-on-Trent, so it’s a bit colder than where you are. Last 5,000 miles, so a few months worth, it’s averaged 5.1m/kWh. Stoke to Rotherham and back yesterday round trip of 160 miles, A50 dual carriageway & M1 doing ‘normal’ speeds (65-70), and it returned 4.8 m/kWh and it had 25 miles left.
The price point of the new Niro EV makes no sense with other competitors in the same price range. I just purchased a 2021 Kia Niro EV 4+, one owner, four services with 33k miles for £18,000! It still has 4 years or 100,000 mile warrenty. It has the same range as the new one and it's £23,000 less! I can't thank the new Kia Niro EV enough for having such an impact on the older version resell values, as I'm extremely happy with what I go for my money. It's a hard sell to spend the much more when you have so many options on the older Kia Niro EV 4+ available currently.
Great review from a petrol head. I’ve got an e2008 and just think that an upgrade at the moment are too costly - Hopefully in the next 12-18 mths prices will drop.
God you could have popped in for a coffee and a wee! I’ve a new Niro Hybrid and find it great. Actually slightly more room internally than the old one, I agree the tech (I’ve a 4) is very good. But the back of the car isn’t as great to look at, but it obviously has an aero aspect that only its mother can love. 😂
Hi all I have the Kia eniro 4+ and have looked at the new model but ! Mine came with a heat pump as standard on the 4+ trim level and not a cost option as the new model , so it's January now and single figures on the thermometer 80% charge still shows as 210miles range plus, looking at Kia web site you only get 2 map updates free ? My old 4+ model updates it's maps on the fly or am I missing something, anyway I'm sticking to my 3 year old 4+ with over 40,000 miles done and no issues.
14:19 "Pheasants are sooo stupid..." This is why I'd be dubious about a car with a front charging port, like the Kia. My current car was damaged by a pheasant who thought it would be a good idea (it wasn't) to wander across a four-lane motorway in front of me. For me at 70mph in one of the middle lanes I couldn't easily change lane and I couldn't exactly slam on the brakes either. Result= damaged front end (plus it wasn't a good day for the pheasant). But at least I could still refuel the car. Front charging ports just seem like a recipe for expensive damage from idiot wildlife that could be a major inconvenience.
We have been driving this Niro EV for more than 30000 km now. Ours is a level 3 trim. Generally we like it a lot. Decent consumption in the warmer period of the year of just over 15 kWh/100 km, resulting in around max 400 km of range. Good interiour space, good handling and great safety features (love the rear cross traffic warning). Great energy recovery pedals behind the steering wheel. We noticed some downsides though. It is a bit too expensive and the “vegan leather” doesn't look like leather at all. It's Android Auto screen uses only 2/3 of the screen (why??). The lumbar support could be better. Now the more serious downsides. In the winter the range drops considerably when you use the heater (close to 20 kWh/100 km) The previous eNiro came with a heat pump, which we dearly miss. Couldn't buy it as an optional extra, september 2022. Another big issue are foggy windows. Fortunately we have a second car on petrol, which we find more convenient in winter. Ergo: I would not buy a second EV without a heat pump. And never one without heated seats and steering wheel.
As always another great video... it would be interesting if you were able to compare with the sister car... Hyundai Kona. Underpinnings I believe are the same but some reviews rate the interior more practical and slightly better thought out.
Our Niro EV is wonderful! We had 3 Nissan Leafs (or is it Leaves!) since 2014, and the Kia is better in every way. The Forward Collision Avoidance Assist has saved me twice (I'm embarrassed to admit), but it's an example of the great tech in our '4' version. Going to a petrol station to only buy milk is something I don't want to change, so we'll never go back to petrol or diesel.
Great car, Niro (mk2)! Shame it perhaps didn’t make a bigger jump over e Niro (mk1), which remains a very credible used option, and that £40k+ pushes it into more competition, but it’s still one of the better choices at a lower budget.
This is the worst to take out in snow, very slow to charge and discharges rapidly. Also, it you start heater range goes down drastically(30 miles sometimes)
If these very average EV cars are, for the most part, hitting close to, or above £40,000, new car sales will drop significantly. The majority of the British population can not push their budget that high. I have no idea what but something is going to break very soon.
Also I recently found out there’s a new Niro 2 Ev out called exactly the same as previous 150 etc but with NAV on the end of the description which in the UK trim level 2 new ones are coming with SatNav and Kia Connect and both screens are now 10.25” Has anyone else heard or seen this? My neighbour got hers mid June last year and told me she isn’t happy now they’ve brought the Nav spec out with Sat Nav. Dealership never told her to wait or anything!
Agree with steve is he really EV savvy. Just PLAN. You do not have “hope”. His range estimation is irrelevant the guy delivering the car must have really hammered it. We should be told the miles per KhW !!!! 10:37
Having just sold my Kia EV thank god. I am back driving petrol now. The constant trepidation on worrying about finding a charger not in use is now gone. The constant charging between 20% to 80% to preserve battery longevity is gone. Put 50 euro in the car today and three quarters of a tank reading 553 klms. Heating on and no big drop in klms. Bliss. Fair play to people that have a great EV experience but I never did. Never once on any trip I took did I drive up and get a free charger, for some reason I cannot live with this. Shame.
Best value is to buy an original Kia e Niro 3yrs old, still with 4 yrs warranty on it and around 25000 miles for less than half the price of a new one. I don't see the new Kia Niro EV as being a better car although I agree it looks a bit prettier, it has the same battery and power unit and from your figures the old one seems to have at least as good or possibly even more efficient battery range of 280 miles.
I'm not sure about the front charge port, our charger is in the garage on the side wall. Most garages are very tight, I would have to squeeze down the side and front of the car to get to the port when home charging. This would make it a no for me.
Really nice car apart from the price. I have a 23 ex demonstrater stonic mild hybrid GT Line very pleased apart from all the Beeps and Bongs like you their constant. But I'm really impressed how far Kia has come.
I am German and despite having no speed limit but seeing the climate crisis becoming more visible, I decided to decelerate my life and mobility. My leasing period was about to end in 2022, so two years ago I did a test drive with a Škoda Enyaq, Hyundai Ioniq 5 and a Kia EV6 GT. In the 2000's a colleague of mine bought a small Kia and I thought the quality was very poor compared to what I was used to, so my expectations were really low regarding Kia. (big mistake!) The Škoda, which is always the better VW, felt a little old school and is based on the recent shitty quality of parts from the VAG (VW & Audi Group) and little to no warranty. So I hoped the Hyundai Ionic 5 would be my favourite, but somehow I didn't like its interior and the preset of its drive assist was completely messed up for me to test some basic autonomous features. Then I drove the Kia EV6 AWD and holy cow that car fascinated me instantly, though I am not a car enthusiast, but I love technology and the pure power, the way it felt on the road, its safety features, the cockpit immediately defined the highest standard I have ever experienced and I have been driving some fancy combustion Audis, BMWs and Mercedes. I sadly also realized that all of these EVs were a little too much for my budget without having to cut down my many beloved hobbies. So I was looking for a compromise and since the cockpit of the Niro EV is very much alike that of the EV6 and I found a great Internet bulk deal with 2 year leasing offer with a fixed end price, plus the bonus from the German government and the manufacturer it suited my financial spot and since I read only great things about its predecessor, the e-Niro, it wasn't very likely the Niro EV would let me down. What I love about the Niro EV after 10 months real life use: - One Pedal Driving in the city is so very smooth and relaxing - perfect adjustment of the regeneration with the motor controller in iPedal mode - Highways drive assist (HDA) automatically sets speeds limit reliably/reads signs almost all the time - lane assist differentiates between orange and white line in construction areas, nice safety feature - highly efficient automatic stop & go takes all the annoyance out of every passionate driver - low power consumption despite its compact SUV shape - a well-designed cockpit (despite the use of piano finish) - seats relax position (sleep) is super comfy, though it's not disabled for the driver while driving :-) - has a frunk - no hustle with cables while stuff is already jamming the trunk - has been designed and produced with plenty of eco-friendly recycled materials - has been made in a free , democratic and humanitarian country - South Korea (not to confuse with scary inhumane China that is now building nice cars I must admitt, but would not buy unless their government changes its rules towards their poor own people and they establish a solid service network here in Germany!) What I don't like or miss on the Niro EV: - needs more acoustical attenuation in the rear - when you have zero motor noise, this matters at highway speeds - some software features, timeouts and logic are not very practical but could be fixed by updates - more DC charging power could not hurt on longer journeys, which I rarely do - 360° camera would be nice to have - is no expensive rocket science any more Overall it's a practical and very comfortable car, that feels roomy inside, even on the back seat its OK, but is very small on the outside when parking. I would not buy it for its official list price with its new current competition. Since I got it for under 70% of the list price when adding the leasing payments on top of the fixed end price, sure I would do it again under these conditions. Outside looks don't matter much to me, since I usually drive it from the inside :-) but I think it looks good in steel grey or white - am not a fan of the C-pillar in a different colour. The Niro EV definitely gets a 👍from me
I have owned the previous e-Niro and now the current Niro EV (both with heat pump}. Strangely the previous version was more efficient- I used to get up to and even over 300 miles range in summer driving and rarely less than 220 miles in winter. With the new one it has been c260 in summer and c200 in winter. Not sure why the difference? The newer version is better looking and has improved interior/ equipment. My first one cost about £34k but there was a Government grant of £3k included. I sold it for nearly £29k after three years so depreciation was unusually low. The new one cost just over £40k and I would expect it to depreciate a lot more due to changes in the wider EV market. As a private buyer that means I am more likely to keep it longer than three years. It is a practical car to own, not too big but enough space for a family. Running cost are low and as I do most charging overnight at home at 9p a kw or using my solar power, it is much cheaper than a petrol / diesel car. Yes longer journeys need a bit more planning but unless you are reliant on public chargers a lot, I try to build in a meal stop etc so you don’t notice the 40 mins needed to get to 80% charge. When I bought my first e-Niro there was little choice in the market. The Tesla model 3 was one I drove but not good for getting in and out of with kids / bad back etc (the model Y is probably a better bet now). I grew to love my e-Niro and it was an easy choice to go for the new one when it came out. There is a lot more choice in the market now but if you are looking for an EV (new or second hand) the Niro is definitely worth a look.
At the price now isn't the New Tesla Model 3 a better buy ( considering the state of public chargers in the UK and Tesla has more chargers around the country ) ?
the problem i find is that kia made a mistake by not including the 800v charging technology of the ev6 but also the version you are driving is touch 44k so would it be better to go for the EV6air which is around the same price
The outright cost and insurance cost and agro of long journeys and charging means I am delaying going EV only for a few years yet. How to ruin a holiday? Worry about charging constantly! Not for me yet
1700 kilograms sounds like good packaging. Even the previous model was shown to do 300 miles. I wouldn't bother with the Chinese cars mostly due to data privacy.
You didn’t actually do what the video promised- you didn’t compare it to the old model E-Niro! Also I struggle with car reviewers continually saying a car is OK value “relative to the market”. New cars are massively over priced, especially EVs and rely on salary sacrifice leases and PCP. At over £40k this car is categorically not good value relative to what people actually earn in the UK, which is what should count.
The range klls the idea of me owning an electric car. My Hyundai i10 has a 400 mile range which I rarely need. But when you occasionally need to go the distance the car will do it with no compromise.
200 miles of range? I’m typically getting 270 miles of range on the previous model, and I’m definitely not slow. I thought the new model was lighter and supposedly more efficient. Maybe not then.
You can now pick up a used e niro (old shape) with low mileage on a 21 or 22 plate for less than 20k. That's nearly half price compared to brand new. Having bought a new one two years ago, I now wish I had waited a while. Having said that I love the car and have no intention of selling for at least another 5 years.
Hello Peter! Well…a good car but I was puzzled why the range has dropped compared to the previous model…..marketing decision perhaps? Your concerns about having to park at an airport with a low battery and then hang around ages charging up when you get back are very thought provoking. Time was when I was often flying to Switzerland so 120 miles to Heathrow then arriving back there at 10pm onwards and then searching for a Charger erc.would have been a real nuisance! I just cannot decide what to do about cars but am tempted by a three month old Discovery Metropolitan D300MHEV which is cheaper than an RRS and lower than a Defender plus is the only one Hilary can get in fairly easily. Is that a good idea though..diesel and JLR are both seriously out of favour right now… Hmmm…..time to give the D Sport a good tidy up and…..well I might go and look….🤔🤔🤔🤔😬😬😬😬
That was a very interesting film and the analogy about electrons and cars was genius. I guess that teaching job you had in a previous life never leaves you.
Do you think so ! Electrons moving around a battery pack to find somewhere to charge, is that what happens ? The static battery cells are connected in series, so they flow from one, to the next until they’re all fully charged in turn, not randomly, like cars finding a parking space. Think about a one of those champagne glass fountains, you fill the top glass, which when full flows into the next glass and so on until all are full or a bit like filling a petrol tank. Unfortunately 20% of your guests won’t be able to toast the guest of honour, as someone didn’t bring enough champagne to complete the task of filling all the glasses.
@@PetrolPed You didn’t say it was a quote from Musk. I replied to the comment praising you for your ‘genius’ analogy. I simply. didn’t agree. The scientific people know a thing or two about batteries and tell him, so he only knows what they tell him, but it’s mostly old technology repurposed to modern times, like an analogy can be. He was one of the biggest funders of Tesla, he didn’t invent them. Tesla Motors, was founded by Martin Eberhard & Marc Tarpenning, but who remembers them, not me, I found that out a few months ago, while doing some research. He also fronts Spacex, doesn’t mean he’s an astronaut or a rocket scientist. An analogy is used to compare one thing to another in order to clarify the subject. In the case of the 1000 space car park example, if there were staff there marshalling the cars into the spaces, it would allow steady flow, like chargers do, by monitoring the flow. Similar to when ordinary people go to large events or theme parks, they pay their admission fee & are guided into their parking places.
Very interesting video about mileage I’m not too sure about the price of £44,000 because that goes into the luxury car, bracket of car tax which then makes it quite expensive when the rule comes in 2025. Thank you for the video
Did you see the news about HERTZ Car Rental selling all their EV's and buying new petrol replacements? Nobody was renting their cars out and people were renting from their competitors and smaller companies that had ICE vehicles
@@SDK2006b it's a extremely big commercial decision by a car rental company. This decision will send the signals to other rental, trucking and delivery companies. They will be listening to this situation. This in turn affects the sale of EV's around the world and demand will decrease. Hydrid is the best solution right now. Full EV's are the next biggest ecological disaster in the future. Nobody wants to buy a 2nd hand EV. The sales of 2nd hand EV's prove it
@@AdamForeman RSEV, one of Britain's largest used Tesla retailers, recorded an increase in used EV sales of 68% in August 2023, over the same period in 2022.
@@Brian-om2hh good for Britain, but that's not a big market. The sales of which make no indication of what the state of the vehicle was at the point of sale. Many 2nd hand Tesla's were sold in the knowing the batteries were on their last legs and cost £18k to remove/replace. If they haven't researched it, they will have a yet another EV waiting for recycling and the car sold out for parts. As I said before, full EV's are the next biggest ecological disaster waiting to happen. They are the best example of complete obsolescence and being designed and built to last the initial warranty before the car requires a huge expensive repair as the batteries. That unfortunately is where the poor 2nd hand car buyer gets hit and that's why they will never buy another one and go back to ICE or Hybrid.
I love my E Niro (2020) even though the 12v battery isn't covered by the 7 year warranty ( Only 2 years cover). That said the car just delivers on range, delivers on practicality, comfort and functionality. It also has buttons !!!!
I have the 4 with heat pump.
I’ve had 250 miles in winter and just over 300 in summer.
Excellent car
Goodness me 😂
Nice 👌
I have a eniro 4 2020. when I fully charged it in summer at home. I got in the car and it said 306 miles of range, actually got 281. Well happy
I bought a slightly used Niro ev 3 and just love it. Had a Niro hybrid before and knew I wanted to stick with a Niro. It’s a dream to drive and has all the safety features of the 4. I will never go back to ice cars
So glad you liked it. I'm a wheelchair user and just about to pick up my Niro EV 4 in a couple of weeks. It's going to be my first full EV Motability car ( currently on a Mini Countryman PHEV ) and due to my father in law having had a stroke recently we are going to be putting in the miles on regular visits to Wales. I'm slightly apprehensive therefore about my need to find accessible rapid chargers - although the 'super power' of the Niro top spec of being able to drive into a charging space while I am outside the car already in my wheelchair should mean that even in extreme circumstances I should be able to access 'normal' charging bays - so we'll see how that works out!
Hy there how are you getting on with it? Lovely or what?
Thanks for an interesting and entertaining review of the Niro EV. I am almost 5 years and 100,000 km into owning an e-Niro here in France and it has been pretty much faultless, only the 12v battery needing replacement. Servicing costs have been half what the Niro hybrid would be and I reckon to have saved €8,000 on fuel as compared to a fossil fuel car doing 50 mpg. We have done long hauls to Switzerland, Germany and Spain as well as our regular annual trip back to the UK and some long trips within France. Efficiency is 14.1 kWh/100 km...about 4.2 miles/kWh winter/summer average. Worst ever real world range was a winter trip on autoroute averaging 110 kph where the range dropped to 350 km....In summer on local driving we see over 500 km at 100% SOC. The problem as you point out is price...these cars are still about €8,000 more expensive than a similarly equipped hybrid version....but I think for me it's paid for itself now and the resale prices here in France are about €5k better than the hybrid.
This is great to hear. Thanks 👍
Has charging away from home caused any issues
Having recently purchased an EV6 I have to say I’m seriously impressed. Ride quality, interior quality top notch. And the door makes that satisfying thump when you close it like my Golf R 7.5 did!
Kia really upping the anti!
Great car 👍
Congrats to your EV6, it's a very beautiful and nearly perfect car - love it.
I am German and despite having no speed limit but seeing the climate crisis becoming more visible, I decided to decelerate my life and mobility. My leasing period was about to end in 2022, so two years ago I did a test drive with a Škoda Enyaq, Hyundai Ioniq 5 and a Kia EV6 GT. In the 2000's a colleague of mine bought a small Kia and I thought the quality was very poor compared to what I was used to, so my expectations were really low regarding Kia. (big mistake!)
The Škoda, which is always the better VW, felt a little old school and is based on the recent shitty quality of parts from the VAG (VW & Audi Group) and little to no warranty. So I hoped the Hyundai Ionic 5 would be my favourite, but somehow I didn't like its interior and the preset of its drive assist was completely messed up for me to test some basic autonomous features. Then I drove the Kia EV6 AWD and holy cow that car fascinated me instantly, though I am not a car enthusiast, but I love technology and the pure power, the way it felt on the road, its safety features, the cockpit immediately defined the highest standard I have ever experienced and I have been driving some fancy combustion Audis, BMWs and Mercedes.
I sadly also realized that all of these EVs were a little too much for my budget without having to cut down my many beloved hobbies. So I was looking for a compromise and since the cockpit of the Niro EV is very much alike that of the EV6 and I found a great Internet bulk deal with 2 year leasing offer with a fixed end price, plus the bonus from the German government and the manufacturer it suited my financial spot and since I read only great things about its predecessor, the e-Niro, it wasn't very likely the Niro EV would let me down.
What I love about the Niro EV after 10 months real life use:
- One Pedal Driving in the city is so very smooth and relaxing - perfect adjustment of the regeneration with the motor controller in iPedal mode
- Highways drive assist (HDA) automatically sets speeds limit reliably/reads signs almost all the time
- lane assist differentiates between orange and white line in construction areas, nice safety feature
- highly efficient automatic stop & go takes all the annoyance out of every passionate driver
- low power consumption despite its compact SUV shape
- a well-designed cockpit (despite the use of piano finish)
- seats relax position (sleep) is super comfy, though it's not disabled for the driver while driving :-)
- has a frunk - no hustle with cables while stuff is already jamming the trunk
- has been designed and produced with plenty of eco-friendly recycled materials
- has been made in a free , democratic and humanitarian country - South Korea
(not to confuse with scary inhumane China that is now building nice cars I must admitt, but would not buy unless their government changes its rules towards their poor own people and they establish a solid service network here in Germany!)
What I don't like or miss on the Niro EV:
- needs more acoustical attenuation in the rear - when you have zero motor noise, this matters at highway speeds
- some software features, timeouts and logic are not very practical but could be fixed by updates
- more DC charging power could not hurt on longer journeys, which I rarely do
- 360° camera would be nice to have - is no expensive rocket science any more
Overall it's a practical and very comfortable car, that feels roomy inside, even on the back seat its OK, but is very small on the outside when parking. I would not buy it for its official list price with its new current competition. Since I got it for under 70% of the list price when adding the leasing payments on top of the fixed end price, sure I would do it again under these conditions.
Outside looks don't matter much to me, since I usually drive it from the inside :-) but I think it looks good in steel grey or white - am not a fan of the C-pillar in a different colour.
The Niro EV definitely gets a 👍from me
Like your car park analogy when explaining about battery charging 👍 and a great video as always, cheers
Thanks 👍
I never owned the old version but have had the trim level 3 Niro EV for just over a year and really pleased with it. It's everything I was expecting. I don't do long journeys so don't need to worry about fast charging.
Perfect 👌
Hi Pete
Pleased to see you eventually drive the Nero EV, watched you for some years but this is the first time commenting, Have owned a Niro EV since Nov 23
as for range the lowest I have see is 244ml in winter and have seen 298ml in summer, no I don't race around but I do the speed where applicable. I do have some hills to contend with living just outside Matlock Derbyshire.
We've had one since last April - cracking car. Only real problems have been zombie mode (rsometimes efusing to engage drive) which KIA sorted with a software fix last summer, and the original tyres were noisier than those fitted to the eNiro - still relatively quiet though.
The range is always over 200 even in winter getting 210- 230 - nearer 280 in summer, and I don't hang around on there motorway! Never had to use public chargers so the "slow" charging speed hasn't been a problem.
Great one Pete, love the charging discription 😁
Thanks 👍
Ive had my Niro ev since last September its a perfect car for me , not to big to fit in garage, all the tech and goodies you need ( heated and ventilated and electric on both driver and passenger seats ) and the range is spot on for my needs 😀 👍
I have the 2021 Kia eNiro, I have done over 60k miles in 3 years and I am getting just over 300 miles in the summer and after 3 years the overall average is still 285 miles.
Similar here - love it. We are really hoping the Niro EV will be as good. Will the Niro EV get an average of 4.5 miles per kwh as our eNiro gets?
We charge our eNiro with a 3 pin charger using solar power for about 8 months of the year. We are retired so day time charging is fine. We use the 7kWh charger when we need a quicker charge.
Very comprehensive review Pedro with real living experience. They're getting better these EV's without a doubt
Yep 👍
I love the car park analogy for the battery charging - very clever!
Thanks 🙏🏻
The analogy works but is a tad complicated to explain. Filling a bottle with foaming fluid is better. Initially the you can pour quickly but as he bottle reaches 3/4 full and the foam rises near the top you have to pour more slowly to avoid spilling. The last bit will be extremely slow.
Refreshing to see it on sensibly sized wheels and tyres 👍
After watching this excellent video I am reminded of the birth of the car in the US electric drive was the preferred option but once outside the big cities, there was little or no electricity to charge the batteries and so the gasoline engine flourished 170 odd years later nothing has really changed, charging is still the issue. Just before Christmas I looked seriously at the Nero, my diesel e class was getting harder and harder to get into and out of (both my wife and I are 75) so the time has come to buy that " family" suv. But here's the thing, on a motorway service station near where I live 12 charging stations 4 full, 2 out of order 6 available, fuel pumps 16 all working. Electric for me perfect the inferstructure pants
I got one of these last year (with trim level 3) and really enjoy it. GOM shows about 280 miles range in the summer and about 260 currently. What that is in reality don't know as I have never let it go below 20% A great EV though and I recommend it.
Great to hear 👍
Glad to see you returned Pete and you I hope you recharged your own batteries , No punt intended! Kia have some very handsome and impressive cars with all that being said .... Missed ya mate 🙏🙏
Yes back and raring to go 👊
Welcome back nice video, I'm going to say it again what's up with your sound ? Seems to be all over the place when you're outside the car
Struggling to get a handle on a new mic set up and its settings. I’ll get there 👍
Great video Pete. Bit late commenting on this one. My wife has an eNiro 4 (top spec) 2020 model. Done 35k miles. Super car, dog friendly, good range (same battery I think as new model - 64kwh) so agree with your range estimate - 240/250 is max real world range in Summer assuming "real" driving. Range in recent days with sub zero temps and motorway driving taking my daughter back to Uni kills the battery so again 200 miles is about right. Cayman GTS 4.0 parked up in the garage for the worst of the Winter with some Summer Euro trips to Swiss Alps and Black Forest planned. My sensible daily down to work in West London is a Seat Leon FR Sport - essentially a long wheel base VW Golf. Some great cars available from KIA, Seat and others which generally offer higher specs and genuine quality product in comparison to their premium priced peers. Keep up the great work.
Thanks 🙏🏻
As an EV owner, even rapid chargers will not charge fully to 100% in an hour. The rate of charge at 80% drops so considerably to preserve the battery that, as a rule of thumb the time it takes to charge from 10-80 will take about the same time from 80-100. So, always charge on public chargers to 80% maximum, and be on your way.
Yes that is the way to do it just charge to 80% and move on towards your destination saves time and effort
@@paulscott1759I could maybe save 30 seconds by filling my Accords tank to 4 5ths 🤣
I agree but it’s not so much about preserving the battery it’s just how the charge process works 👍
I had the Eniro for 2.5 years without heat pump and drove 47k km in that time. found it very easy to get 8km/kwh. great car wish I still had it. I have now the new Niro EV with heat pump for over 1 year and have 32k km on it. I find it very hard to get anywhere near the the same 8km/kwh as with the old model in all types of weather. that with the random power loss of 2-3%, when parked over night. the tailgate constantly rattles, even after the dealer fixed it. zombie mode with the preheat function problem. 12v battery failure, which I didn't have in the old eniro in 2.5 years. there are some great improvements over the old model, looks, headlights and kit inside, but a backward step with the efficiency.
After 12 months of using this car, I have never seen the range saying 200miles. Even in winter it shows 240 and summer 290 and it really does the range it says. It must have been thrashed to show a range of 200miles
Hello Petrol Ped, I have the 2021 e-Niro 3 fully electric, my range during the summer is 260-280 mile range dropping to 220 in the winter, slightly less if I pre heat the cabin before use, i.e activate the cabin heater, window demister, heated steering wheel , heated mirrors and rear window for the 10 minute timer by phone app. Ive really enjoyed the car and I've extended the lease by a further 12 months. overall a really good fully electric car experience. I use a 7kw home charger, using the cheaper overnight tariffs so the charging costs are very cheap.
My 15 year old E Class diesel has a range that is three times that of the ENiro. In fact, I can tow a 7.5 metre, 4 berth, fixed bed caravan more than 1 1/2 times the solo range of the E Niro lol
@@stevezodiac491Most EV drivers have owned or driven ice cars. So they are well aware of their good and bad points. If you want to drive 600 miles a day good for you.
Thanks for this 👍
Great E.V. Just does the Job. Great for Minicab, especially with the Warranty. Never owned one, but I know a lot of people which have. Most still own them after 4 Years, that seems to me to be a good recommendation.
Great Video. Keep on Motoring.👍
Thanks for sharing
Good video showing an EV like the Niro is a very capable car.
Hotels near airports should have their business heads on and have lots of destination chargers. As an EV owner I’d choose a hotel based on its availability of destination chargers and would happily pay a premium rate for the electricity. A hotel near an airport will attract a higher proportion of owners of newer and company cars. Because of the BIK tax benefits a lot of business travellers will have EV company cars. With 250 car parking spaces the hotel you stayed at should have about 40 destination chargers and allow booking with the room. 7kW chargers aren’t too demanding on their electricity requirements, especially on a commercial site. They might even be able to increase room rates with this USP if demand for rooms increases along with making a profit on charging.
Like the Nero and good review ped
Thanks 🙏🏻
My 3 year old Nero is certainly doing better now than when new, winter I’m getting with mixed driving 4 miles per kWh.
Two points:- 1. Many Motorway chargers are now 350Kwh max. Esp at charging hubs such as Rugby on the M6 and the new hub at Gatwick Airport. Gridserve are installing many new points, whilst Tesla is opening up many of its newest chargers to all comers.
2. If you are doing the booking always ask about charge points on site. I have several times not booked at hotels that do not have a charge point. And have had a pleasant time at a couple that did, in Wales and the Lake district.
This car only supports just over 100kw charging so 350kw is a waste of time. I agree that the Gridserve hubs are brilliant though 👍
Excellent explanation of Charing to 80% . Makes sense now👍
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the very informative video. Excellent as usual. Comparing your description of everyday use with my used Jaguar I-Pace, the only advantage of the NIRO that I can see is the warranty. 2 year old Jags are now less than the new NIRO. Up to 100kW charging there is no difference in speed my car will cover 220 miles in the winter. Performance is better in the Jag. I am struggling to see what I would be me next car
Good evening pal, Kia seem to be rolling out lots at the moment 👍🇬🇧
I took my e-nero 4+ to the south of France..what a joy.
I’m a driving instructor and it’s on my radar to replace my Hyundai Ioniq 38kWh. Surprised about the range and efficiency as the previous Nero was close to a 300 mile car, I can’t imagine the tech has got worse in the new model. Is it a case of the car using the historical driving style of the previous driver, and they’ve ragged it, so it’ll take a while to ‘reset’ and show a better range in the GOM.
I own e-Niro (4+ trim) and an EV6. In my opinion they made e-Niro unexpectedly too good. 64 kWh battery gives me better range than 77.4kWh in EV6 (both driven mostly in Eco mode). It's a shame that Niro EV doesn't follow e-Niro's effeciency plan.
It’s a press car and will have been driven enthusiastically, including by me on my journey back from Heathrow 😜👍
Was also looking at changing my Hyundai 38 for one of these
I’m a driving instructor and have been running EVs for 5 years. You’ll find that because your lessons through the day are varied you get much better fuel economy in an EV. The lessons where you spend time parking or starting with a new learner don’t use much battery because when your stopped the motor is stopped as well and at low speed consumption is good. Around town EVs are economical.
My previous 2 cars were Nissan Leafs and achieved 4.3miles/kW as a long term average. My current Model 3 runs at 4.8 miles/kW. I don’t notice any drop off in winter but I live and work on the South coast where temperatures rarely hit freezing.
Pedro had a press car so the GOM will be all over the place. A better estimate of range is to use your miles per kW against the battery capacity.
@@EVinstructor I got around 4.7 m/kWh on lessons last week, and temperatures were around 2-4° for most of the days.
Live in Stoke-on-Trent, so it’s a bit colder than where you are. Last 5,000 miles, so a few months worth, it’s averaged 5.1m/kWh.
Stoke to Rotherham and back yesterday round trip of 160 miles, A50 dual carriageway & M1 doing ‘normal’ speeds (65-70), and it returned 4.8 m/kWh and it had 25 miles left.
Looking at the headrests from the back seat remind me of E T.
The price point of the new Niro EV makes no sense with other competitors in the same price range. I just purchased a 2021 Kia Niro EV 4+, one owner, four services with 33k miles for £18,000! It still has 4 years or 100,000 mile warrenty. It has the same range as the new one and it's £23,000 less! I can't thank the new Kia Niro EV enough for having such an impact on the older version resell values, as I'm extremely happy with what I go for my money. It's a hard sell to spend the much more when you have so many options on the older Kia Niro EV 4+ available currently.
Good video and opinions. A used or pre reg one in a years time is very tempting.
Indeed 👍
The anology of vehicles seaeching for the last parking bays helped a lot in my understanding of charging >80%. Thank you Ped 👍
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I have the Niro EV 4 - Overall I think it is excellent - I wished the DC charging was faster.
Yep. That would be nice 👍
I've got the original 4+ and getting genuine 320 in warmer weather, and around 280 in 4-6 degrees, mixed driving.
Hydrid/Diesel should be the future......with a real H/B and a spare tyre.
I have the 3 with heat pump. It delivers 240 in the winter and about 285 in the summer
Great review from a petrol head. I’ve got an e2008 and just think that an upgrade at the moment are too costly - Hopefully in the next 12-18 mths prices will drop.
Fingers crossed!
Really! Only the Chinese, and when they achieve market penetration, the prices will increase accordingly!
God you could have popped in for a coffee and a wee! I’ve a new Niro Hybrid and find it great. Actually slightly more room internally than the old one, I agree the tech (I’ve a 4) is very good. But the back of the car isn’t as great to look at, but it obviously has an aero aspect that only its mother can love. 😂
Can we have the heat pump installed later on in a 2021 niro ev?
Hi all I have the Kia eniro 4+ and have looked at the new model but ! Mine came with a heat pump as standard on the 4+ trim level and not a cost option as the new model , so it's January now and single figures on the thermometer 80% charge still shows as 210miles range plus, looking at Kia web site you only get 2 map updates free ? My old 4+ model updates it's maps on the fly or am I missing something, anyway I'm sticking to my 3 year old 4+ with over 40,000 miles done and no issues.
14:19 "Pheasants are sooo stupid..." This is why I'd be dubious about a car with a front charging port, like the Kia. My current car was damaged by a pheasant who thought it would be a good idea (it wasn't) to wander across a four-lane motorway in front of me. For me at 70mph in one of the middle lanes I couldn't easily change lane and I couldn't exactly slam on the brakes either. Result= damaged front end (plus it wasn't a good day for the pheasant). But at least I could still refuel the car.
Front charging ports just seem like a recipe for expensive damage from idiot wildlife that could be a major inconvenience.
Great car! I have a 2023 EV wave and it’s a prefect car. Kia warranty is the best out the ere for an electric car
We have been driving this Niro EV for more than 30000 km now. Ours is a level 3 trim. Generally we like it a lot. Decent consumption in the warmer period of the year of just over 15 kWh/100 km, resulting in around max 400 km of range. Good interiour space, good handling and great safety features (love the rear cross traffic warning). Great energy recovery pedals behind the steering wheel. We noticed some downsides though. It is a bit too expensive and the “vegan leather” doesn't look like leather at all. It's Android Auto screen uses only 2/3 of the screen (why??). The lumbar support could be better. Now the more serious downsides. In the winter the range drops considerably when you use the heater (close to 20 kWh/100 km) The previous eNiro came with a heat pump, which we dearly miss. Couldn't buy it as an optional extra, september 2022. Another big issue are foggy windows. Fortunately we have a second car on petrol, which we find more convenient in winter. Ergo: I would not buy a second EV without a heat pump. And never one without heated seats and steering wheel.
'2nd petrol car' 😂😂😂
Interesting range you were getting. Summer l get 300 plus and at the moment in the cold 250. This is on a 100mile a day motorway commute.
Perfect car for you then 👌👊
Wow, that is some schedule you run to.Busy life! Enjoyed the car review as well,thanks.
Thanks for watching!
That’s a very good analogy 👍👍👍
As always another great video... it would be interesting if you were able to compare with the sister car... Hyundai Kona. Underpinnings I believe are the same but some reviews rate the interior more practical and slightly better thought out.
I have reviewed the Kona N. I know it is a performance ICE car but it is brilliant 👌😬
Our Niro EV is wonderful! We had 3 Nissan Leafs (or is it Leaves!) since 2014, and the Kia is better in every way. The Forward Collision Avoidance Assist has saved me twice (I'm embarrassed to admit), but it's an example of the great tech in our '4' version. Going to a petrol station to only buy milk is something I don't want to change, so we'll never go back to petrol or diesel.
Great car, Niro (mk2)! Shame it perhaps didn’t make a bigger jump over e Niro (mk1), which remains a very credible used option, and that £40k+ pushes it into more competition, but it’s still one of the better choices at a lower budget.
This is the worst to take out in snow, very slow to charge and discharges rapidly. Also, it you start heater range goes down drastically(30 miles sometimes)
Do you think it would make a good taxi mostly all around town driving and can charge at home. I probably most days average 150 miles a day ?
Yep 👍
If these very average EV cars are, for the most part, hitting close to, or above £40,000, new car sales will drop significantly. The majority of the British population can not push their budget that high. I have no idea what but something is going to break very soon.
Also I recently found out there’s a new Niro 2 Ev out called exactly the same as previous 150 etc but with NAV on the end of the description which in the UK trim level 2 new ones are coming with SatNav and Kia Connect and both screens are now 10.25”
Has anyone else heard or seen this? My neighbour got hers mid June last year and told me she isn’t happy now they’ve brought the Nav spec out with Sat Nav. Dealership never told her to wait or anything!
When you reviewing the new Megane E Tech Ped?
I’ll put it in my list 👍
Agree with steve is he really EV savvy. Just PLAN. You do not have “hope”. His range estimation is irrelevant the guy delivering the car must have really hammered it. We should be told the miles per KhW !!!! 10:37
An interesting development in the United States where Hertz has got rid of 20,000 odd EV cars due to customers not liking them
Wow 😮
@@PetrolPed $247 million right down on assets for Hertz to swallow. Mental!
In which case, they'll like it even less after oil runs dry......
Having just sold my Kia EV thank god. I am back driving petrol now. The constant trepidation on worrying about finding a charger not in use is now gone. The constant charging between 20% to 80% to preserve battery longevity is gone. Put 50 euro in the car today and three quarters of a tank reading 553 klms. Heating on and no big drop in klms. Bliss. Fair play to people that have a great EV experience but I never did. Never once on any trip I took did I drive up and get a free charger, for some reason I cannot live with this. Shame.
Best value is to buy an original Kia e Niro 3yrs old, still with 4 yrs warranty on it and around 25000 miles for less than half the price of a new one. I don't see the new Kia Niro EV as being a better car although I agree it looks a bit prettier, it has the same battery and power unit and from your figures the old one seems to have at least as good or possibly even more efficient battery range of 280 miles.
I'm not sure about the front charge port, our charger is in the garage on the side wall. Most garages are very tight, I would have to squeeze down the side and front of the car to get to the port when home charging. This would make it a no for me.
Welcome home and hope you had a fab holiday. Do you think these manufacturers are hiking prices up as the consumer keeps paying the prices?
Not sure. I think PCP is playing a part too 👍
Happy new year sorry it’s late.
Same to you!
Hi Pete. Nice Car and I thought of buying it but chose My Volvo C40. Not dissappointed with my choice. Stay Safe. Keith
The sister car the Kona has had a Refresh and seems like the better half now, have a test Ped and see what you think.
I have tested the Kona N. Brilliant car 👌
Really nice car apart from the price.
I have a 23 ex demonstrater stonic mild hybrid GT Line very pleased apart from all the Beeps and Bongs like you their constant. But I'm really impressed how far Kia has come.
Couldn't agree more!
Can you give a link to the video where you drove to Hamburg please?
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Thanks🙂@@PetrolPed
I am German and despite having no speed limit but seeing the climate crisis becoming more visible, I decided to decelerate my life and mobility. My leasing period was about to end in 2022, so two years ago I did a test drive with a Škoda Enyaq, Hyundai Ioniq 5 and a Kia EV6 GT. In the 2000's a colleague of mine bought a small Kia and I thought the quality was very poor compared to what I was used to, so my expectations were really low regarding Kia. (big mistake!)
The Škoda, which is always the better VW, felt a little old school and is based on the recent shitty quality of parts from the VAG (VW & Audi Group) and little to no warranty. So I hoped the Hyundai Ionic 5 would be my favourite, but somehow I didn't like its interior and the preset of its drive assist was completely messed up for me to test some basic autonomous features. Then I drove the Kia EV6 AWD and holy cow that car fascinated me instantly, though I am not a car enthusiast, but I love technology and the pure power, the way it felt on the road, its safety features, the cockpit immediately defined the highest standard I have ever experienced and I have been driving some fancy combustion Audis, BMWs and Mercedes.
I sadly also realized that all of these EVs were a little too much for my budget without having to cut down my many beloved hobbies. So I was looking for a compromise and since the cockpit of the Niro EV is very much alike that of the EV6 and I found a great Internet bulk deal with 2 year leasing offer with a fixed end price, plus the bonus from the German government and the manufacturer it suited my financial spot and since I read only great things about its predecessor, the e-Niro, it wasn't very likely the Niro EV would let me down.
What I love about the Niro EV after 10 months real life use:
- One Pedal Driving in the city is so very smooth and relaxing - perfect adjustment of the regeneration with the motor controller in iPedal mode
- Highways drive assist (HDA) automatically sets speeds limit reliably/reads signs almost all the time
- lane assist differentiates between orange and white line in construction areas, nice safety feature
- highly efficient automatic stop & go takes all the annoyance out of every passionate driver
- low power consumption despite its compact SUV shape
- a well-designed cockpit (despite the use of piano finish)
- seats relax position (sleep) is super comfy, though it's not disabled for the driver while driving :-)
- has a frunk - no hustle with cables while stuff is already jamming the trunk
- has been designed and produced with plenty of eco-friendly recycled materials
- has been made in a free , democratic and humanitarian country - South Korea
(not to confuse with scary inhumane China that is now building nice cars I must admitt, but would not buy unless their government changes its rules towards their poor own people and they establish a solid service network here in Germany!)
What I don't like or miss on the Niro EV:
- needs more acoustical attenuation in the rear - when you have zero motor noise, this matters at highway speeds
- some software features, timeouts and logic are not very practical but could be fixed by updates
- more DC charging power could not hurt on longer journeys, which I rarely do
- 360° camera would be nice to have - is no expensive rocket science any more
Overall it's a practical and very comfortable car, that feels roomy inside, even on the back seat its OK, but is very small on the outside when parking. I would not buy it for its official list price with its new current competition. Since I got it for under 70% of the list price when adding the leasing payments on top of the fixed end price, sure I would do it again under these conditions.
Outside looks don't matter much to me, since I usually drive it from the inside :-) but I think it looks good in steel grey or white - am not a fan of the C-pillar in a different colour.
The Niro EV definitely gets a 👍from me
I have owned the previous e-Niro and now the current Niro EV (both with heat pump}. Strangely the previous version was more efficient- I used to get up to and even over 300 miles range in summer driving and rarely less than 220 miles in winter. With the new one it has been c260 in summer and c200 in winter. Not sure why the difference?
The newer version is better looking and has improved interior/ equipment. My first one cost about £34k but there was a Government grant of £3k included. I sold it for nearly £29k after three years so depreciation was unusually low. The new one cost just over £40k and I would expect it to depreciate a lot more due to changes in the wider EV market. As a private buyer that means I am more likely to keep it longer than three years. It is a practical car to own, not too big but enough space for a family. Running cost are low and as I do most charging overnight at home at 9p a kw or using my solar power, it is much cheaper than a petrol / diesel car. Yes longer journeys need a bit more planning but unless you are reliant on public chargers a lot, I try to build in a meal stop etc so you don’t notice the 40 mins needed to get to 80% charge.
When I bought my first e-Niro there was little choice in the market. The Tesla model 3 was one I drove but not good for getting in and out of with kids / bad back etc (the model Y is probably a better bet now). I grew to love my e-Niro and it was an easy choice to go for the new one when it came out. There is a lot more choice in the market now but if you are looking for an EV (new or second hand) the Niro is definitely worth a look.
Its days are numbered with the soon to be released EV5 with up to 88kwh battery, or the EV3 that will be in the MG4 price range
EV5 does look awesome 👍
Just a shame they made it bigger and more SUV like than the old one, which was a good Golf/Focus size car. Will wait for the EV3.
2:46 Wait til Wed / Thurs mate - thermals will be required 🥶
At the price now isn't the New Tesla Model 3 a better buy ( considering the state of public chargers in the UK and Tesla has more chargers around the country ) ?
Yep. Used Y or 3 is a very interesting option 👍
the problem i find is that kia made a mistake by not including the 800v charging technology of the ev6 but also the version you are driving is touch 44k so would it be better to go for the EV6air which is around the same price
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The battery pack, motor and cabling are all designed to be waterproof. They are IP rated as such.
used 2023 Niro 4 ev or new duster 3 ? Help ;)
The outright cost and insurance cost and agro of long journeys and charging means I am delaying going EV only for a few years yet. How to ruin a holiday? Worry about charging constantly! Not for me yet
Interesting vlog as usual Ped. However, I think if you carry on pushing the EV, like you have, you may have to change your name to 'Proton Ped!'😂😂😂
LOL 😂
I’m not ‘pushing EVs’ I am just reviewing new cars. More and more of which are EV 🤷♂️
1700 kilograms sounds like good packaging. Even the previous model was shown to do 300 miles. I wouldn't bother with the Chinese cars mostly due to data privacy.
You didn’t actually do what the video promised- you didn’t compare it to the old model E-Niro! Also I struggle with car reviewers continually saying a car is OK value “relative to the market”. New cars are massively over priced, especially EVs and rely on salary sacrifice leases and PCP. At over £40k this car is categorically not good value relative to what people actually earn in the UK, which is what should count.
Really wish it had a digital speedo. What's the point of an imitation dial?
It does 🤷♂️
The range klls the idea of me owning an electric car. My Hyundai i10 has a 400 mile range which I rarely need. But when you occasionally need to go the distance the car will do it with no compromise.
‘Which you rarely need’ 🤷♂️
My EV with a range of 273 miles will go 400 miles with no compromise.
200 miles of range? I’m typically getting 270 miles of range on the previous model, and I’m definitely not slow. I thought the new model was lighter and supposedly more efficient. Maybe not then.
You can now pick up a used e niro (old shape) with low mileage on a 21 or 22 plate for less than 20k. That's nearly half price compared to brand new. Having bought a new one two years ago, I now wish I had waited a while. Having said that I love the car and have no intention of selling for at least another 5 years.
Thanks for the info!
Hello Peter! Well…a good car but I was puzzled why the range has dropped compared to the previous model…..marketing decision perhaps? Your concerns about having to park at an airport with a low battery and then hang around ages charging up when you get back are very thought provoking. Time was when I was often flying to Switzerland so 120 miles to Heathrow then arriving back there at 10pm onwards and then searching for a Charger erc.would have been a real nuisance! I just cannot decide what to do about cars but am tempted by a three month old Discovery Metropolitan D300MHEV which is cheaper than an RRS and lower than a Defender plus is the only one Hilary can get in fairly easily. Is that a good idea though..diesel and JLR are both seriously out of favour right now… Hmmm…..time to give the D Sport a good tidy up and…..well I might go and look….🤔🤔🤔🤔😬😬😬😬
That was a very interesting film and the analogy about electrons and cars was genius. I guess that teaching job you had in a previous life never leaves you.
Do you think so ! Electrons moving around a battery pack to find somewhere to charge, is that what happens ? The static battery cells are connected in series, so they flow from one, to the next until they’re all fully charged in turn, not randomly, like cars finding a parking space. Think about a one of those champagne glass fountains, you fill the top glass, which when full flows into the next glass and so on until all are full or a bit like filling a petrol tank. Unfortunately 20% of your guests won’t be able to toast the guest of honour, as someone didn’t bring enough champagne to complete the task of filling all the glasses.
Glad you enjoyed it!
It’s called an analogy and I borrowed it from Elon Musk who knows a few things about batteries 🤷♂️🙄
@@PetrolPed You didn’t say it was a quote from Musk. I replied to the comment praising you for your ‘genius’ analogy. I simply. didn’t agree.
The scientific people know a thing or two about batteries and tell him, so he only knows what they tell him, but it’s mostly old technology repurposed to modern times, like an analogy can be. He was one of the biggest funders of Tesla, he didn’t invent them. Tesla Motors, was founded by Martin Eberhard & Marc Tarpenning, but who remembers them, not me, I found that out a few months ago, while doing some research.
He also fronts Spacex, doesn’t mean he’s an astronaut or a rocket scientist.
An analogy is used to compare one thing to another in order to clarify the subject.
In the case of the 1000 space car park example, if there were staff there marshalling the cars into the spaces, it would allow steady flow, like chargers do, by monitoring the flow. Similar to when ordinary people go to large events or theme parks, they pay their admission fee & are guided into their parking places.
200 miles at 100% charge is abysmal. Even in the winter. Summer range in my MY22 e-Niro gets to 342 miles. 278 in winter.
I appreciate this channel but the mic sound is bad.
Thanks for the feedback. Struggling with the setting on a new mic setup 😬
Very interesting video about mileage I’m not too sure about the price of £44,000 because that goes into the luxury car, bracket of car tax which then makes it quite expensive when the rule comes in 2025. Thank you for the video
Good point!
ssangyong korando e-motion 😊 please 😊
Did you see the news about HERTZ Car Rental selling all their EV's and buying new petrol replacements? Nobody was renting their cars out and people were renting from their competitors and smaller companies that had ICE vehicles
This impacts you how - why do you care?
@@SDK2006b it's a extremely big commercial decision by a car rental company. This decision will send the signals to other rental, trucking and delivery companies. They will be listening to this situation. This in turn affects the sale of EV's around the world and demand will decrease. Hydrid is the best solution right now. Full EV's are the next biggest ecological disaster in the future. Nobody wants to buy a 2nd hand EV. The sales of 2nd hand EV's prove it
@@AdamForeman RSEV, one of Britain's largest used Tesla retailers, recorded an increase in used EV sales of 68% in August 2023, over the same period in 2022.
@@Brian-om2hh good for Britain, but that's not a big market. The sales of which make no indication of what the state of the vehicle was at the point of sale. Many 2nd hand Tesla's were sold in the knowing the batteries were on their last legs and cost £18k to remove/replace. If they haven't researched it, they will have a yet another EV waiting for recycling and the car sold out for parts. As I said before, full EV's are the next biggest ecological disaster waiting to happen. They are the best example of complete obsolescence and being designed and built to last the initial warranty before the car requires a huge expensive repair as the batteries. That unfortunately is where the poor 2nd hand car buyer gets hit and that's why they will never buy another one and go back to ICE or Hybrid.
Sounds like a lot of road tyre noise?
Mics always make it sound worse 👍
wow the range is much worse then the old version. In summer I am getting 275 to 285 on 90%. In winter I lose around 40 miles on avg. NJ USA.