Handed back our e-Niro this week. It was on lease. It ran faultlessly for 16k miles. Very comfortable no rattles. A superb car all round. My only niggle was when rear passengers left the vehicle and the twisted seatbelts would knock against the doors around corners. Looked around for a replacement lease. Tempted to get another Kia Niro, tested the new Hyundai Kona. The Kona was Ok but not better than the old e-Niro and all the safety alarms when driving drove us both mad. 1 mph over the limit a bing or a bong. Eyes not on the road another bing or a bong. The dealership guy said these can be turned off. But you have to do it ever time you entered the car. In the end noted that Genesis EV60 second hand prices were affordable for us. Went for a test drive and the car was amazing. Ended up with a car with 2k mileage and 24k off list price. I know the price will carry on dropping but hopefully this car will last us out in luxury. Having started with a Trotters Reliant Supervan on a motorcycle licence.
Back in 1979 at the ripe old age of 17 and with a full motorbike licence and having to wait an age to take my driving test I too ended up with a blue J reg Reliant Regal Supervan. How my mates mocked me but I didn't care, it had a heater and a windscreen and I could carry passengers and get my old mum a sack of spuds from the green grocers. I'm now an EV owner, amazing how far the car world has come in a relatively short time. By the way you had to be a contortionist to mess with that Reliant engine !
Your Niro reviews have made me swap my MG4 for a Niro EV. Apart from the fact my MG was in the dealer for 3 months with a charging fault the touch screen is maddening. Going back to buttons is a big plus for me.
Mrs P is quite right, lane departure and locked charge flap are rather annoying. It's the same on my Nero Ev. Jonathon, I adopted your driving style over a 112m trip and achieved 5.1 m/kwh. Now I accept the new Niro isn't as efficient as the older model, it was a warm day, but its not that bad.
Loved watching Mrs P's face as she realised where the sentence was going to go but decided it was funny and went with it anyway.😂 Great fun, glad you left that in Jonathan.
Ah your Mrs P is lovely, 🙋 hello Ursula, I hope you find out soon that you can turn off that flippin LDW. Jonathon dont be wicked to your good lady 😂 I turn mine off every time I get in my Ioniq 38kWh, drives me potty and personally I think it can be dangerous when it suddenly yanks the wheel out of your hand if you need to pass something on a clear straight road with nothing behind and dont need to indicate. (Yes I know, trolls, one should always indicate but I'm an old ex-bus driver with an unblemished driving record...and no I havent seen many accidents in my rear view mirror!) My wife, however is dispraxic and leaves it on so that it looks after her if she needs to glance away from the road momentarily. So horses for courses... I can see it has its uses, maybe on long motorway journeys it would serve a purpose. Glad to hear youre still enjoying your eNiro JP.👍
I have the same 4+ model on lease and concur with all the comments made. I like the bland anonymous looks. Currently giving 4.2 m/KwH. Dips to 3.8 in mid winter. I will definitely get a quote to buy it at the end of lease.
I did the same with my e-niro 4+ lease car last year - 2 years old then with 50k miles and we paid BCA £21k for it. Here we are nearly a year later at 66k miles and it's still perfectly reliable. I agree with your missus about the charge flap - bloody annoying! But I still look forward to every drive; I absolutely love it! Oh, battery degradation is at 6%.
Had my 70 plate 4+ for 4 months now, only 12000 miles. Just back from trip to Normandy. Great first EV or us, my wife loves it also. Keep up the good vids btw.
You know what's crazy regarding our Niros? I've been taxing for close to 3 decades and I have to say the E niro has to be the BEST taxi I've ever run. Why? well as a motorway cruiser its beautifully smooth and quiet. Around town I find the ride pretty good along with a nice tight turning circle. Passenger comfort for 4 is right up there most love the deep rear bench (most bevs have awful benches due to the batteries and have knees up mother browns 😂) and the boot, once you ditch the stupid and pointless polycarbonate space killing attachment! Why KIA why? You get a really deep usable boot that takes two large suitcases one medium and two carry ons! Factor in still class leading efficiency (I regularly achieve 5.4mpkWh for 6 months and 4.4mpkWh in the winter) and the Niro is going to be the car for most people for the next 10 years! Ps I've been doing a test on Michelin cross climate 2s and my efficiency so far is the same as the Michelin primacy 4s so what a load of bolloc*s manufacturers go on about bev only tyres being better it's utter rubbish 😂😂😂. Good luck with the Niro for the future mate you've made an exceptional decision! Cheers
Interesting. How many miles do you expect to do before you change it? There was a private hire guy in London who did 75,000 miles in 18 months but I'm wondering if anyone has done huge mileages in their e-Niro yet. I live in France and have one of the first to come into the country in 2019, we are retired folks and its our only car which is on 103,000 km now...We've done long hauls all over Europe and back to the UK and its brilliant on long journeys. I hope yours serves you well over many more miles.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 hi mate a friend on UA-cam has a guy that has passed 235,000 miles and still performing great. My E niro has 103,000 miles so far and the battery seems excellent. Cheers
@@FancyaBevMate Good to hear from you. I used to follow your videos when you had the Leaf, good to know you are still going strong and sounds like your e-Niro is too. 😊.I keep wondering when I will see any range loss on ours as so far none at all. 235,000 miles is amazing and it makes you wonder how long these things can go on for...a lot longer than ICE powered cars I'm sure.
We have Cross Climate 2's on our ID.3 replacing the OEM Continents and if anything our miles/kWh have risen slightly. Although we have an ID.3 I always refer folk to the e-Niro as the car to have for all round practicality, efficiency and affordability. We did 4.3 miles/kWh on our journey south from Orkney back to the English midlands in the ID.3 which is very acceptable but I am slightly envious of the extra efficiency of the e-Niro.
With regard to Mrs P's comment about unlocking the charge socket cable pin with the key, it is possible without the key in your hand... She could always just press the unlock button on the driver or passenger door handle as usual, after which you get a very few seconds (so need to be quick) to remove the plug. She could even re-lock and unlock again (with the door buttons) once the shopping is in the car and then unplug the cable. Hope that helps. On my E Niro 2, I can turn off the lane departure warning by holding down (rather than just clicking) for a few seconds, the steering wheel button on the on the steering wheel. However, you do have to do this *every* time you start the car again - because it's a mandatory safety "feature" for the Euro Safety Tests. 😞
That was fun! We've had our e-Niro from new since March 2019. We live in the Poitou-Charente region of France and our car was in the first batch to arrive here. Just coming up to the 105, 000 km service (65,000 miles) and loving it. It's been totally reliable apart from the 12v battery needing replacement. First couple of years were a challenge on long hauls around the country but these days there are plenty of rapid chargers on all the autoroutes. We've been to the UK 4 times in it and we have family in Switzerland so Lausanne and Zurich have been destinations too...and when a grandson gets born in Frankfurt...then you have to go!..We also went to Spain last year and on long hauls the car is comfortable, quiet and with a real world range of 450 km in the summer on fast roads. Looking forward to seeing how yours takes the miles over the next few years.
I just drove to Germany in my KIA e niro last week because I used destination chargers and most of them were free I used tesla network for the rest of it I only spent £30 on the whole trip there and back its an amazing car.
@@JonathanPorterfield That was my point you don’t have to to get the key out just press the black button to lock, then again to unlock, you the hat 15 to 20 seconds to pull the charging cable out.
@billbenstead920 ...but that means shes got to walk past the charge port , to the door handle , then walk back to the charge port , id never hear the end of it !! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Totally agree with your wife about lane departure warning it's a total PITA, the first day I had my Nissan Leaf and it activated it was frightening, went into the settings and disabled it and I've never switched it back on, if the Nero can't switch the feature off I wouldn't buy one no matter how good the rest of the car is, suppose we have to blame it on EURONCAP for that. I'm considering a GWM Ora 03 when the lease on the Leaf ends in a few months, the feature can be turned off on the Ora but it defaults to on every time you start up, will be a pain but it will probably become second nature to switch it off as part of the start up procedure.
How rare is it for a reviewer to put their money where their mouth is. Fair play Jonathan and Mrs. P. apart from the MK1 bias of course ; MK2 owner 🙂 I wish I could time the charger unlock a bit longer, especially when I am trying to wrestle my toddler into the back. Always found the wiggling of the mirrors every time I walk by with the key a bit off. With a toddler I would love an estate version, for increased boot space.
Lovely follow up and cameo of Mrs. P. I have the 2021 USA Kia Niro EV. Have you thought about adding the comma 3? I use sunnypilot which let's it steer without having cruise control set. Just gentle steering adjustments and no lane departure beeping. Comma 3 takes over the cruise control buttons on the steering wheel. It's lovely. Because of your earlier video I had my gear reduction oil changed when I bought my used Niro at 17,900 miles. And had it changed again at 54,700. I wanna say there's a button on the dash near the door that let's you turn off the charger cable lock feature.
Thanks for your comments , and your appreciation of Mrs P ! I wish she'd be in more of my videos, but so pleased she said yes last Sunday to being in this one ! Always great to hear from EV drivers from across the pond too , thanks !
Hi Jonathan, just bought a 22 reg niro2 (LS22xx) from Arval. Turns out car came from Orknrey - had it delivered to Manchester for convenience then drove it back up to a village near Thurso where I now live. The cars great as are the views of Orkney!
@@JonathanPorterfield Certainly got ev's mainstream on Orkney. More work needed on mainland Scotland - folks round here think they can only do 50 miles. Will have to convince them otherwise 😂
My wife and i agree with Ursula that a top of the range car should have an electric memory seat on the passenger side too. The other thing I'd like would be for the pedestrian warning sound to stop when the wheels stop. The only way to stop the stupid space ship noise at traffic lights is to push Park. Oh, and put a box on top of all that space under the bonnet to store the cables!
If you have the VESS button ( the 4 and 4+ have one) press this to turn iff the pedestrian warning sound ,it also will silance the 'bong bong' when reversing at 5am i the morning so you dont wake up the neighbours 😉
I had an E Niro 4+ on personal lease and unfortunately was not able to purchase it. My only downside to the Kia were all the bings and bongs when starting up, otherwise the car was fantastic and easily didi the 870 mile round trip to Disneyland Paris. My Kia tended to only give around 4 miles per kWh , with nearer 3.6 on motorways. I did use the cruise control for majority of my driving, where possible. I now have a Tesla Model 3 RWD and love it.
JP. We still have First Edition (5 years) though only 23000 miles due age ours not the car. James and co do the service and only problem at 2 years was the solenoid on the charge port cover failed. Roger
They really are a great motor Johnathan it would've been crazy to let it go, mine has 141k kms now,has savedme €4k/yr & no bother - my wife forbids me to sell it! Re Mrs P there's a button down on right side when pressed that lets you unplug once charger is stopped. Well wear AGAIN 🎉
I've had EVs since 2013 and I've had two e-niros, a level 2 and now last week I purchased a 4+ from a Kia dealer. Sadly this 4+ has the Primacy 3 rear tyre castling effect on the inners and the higher speed noise was bad. It also has a dead spider behind the dash perspex! They had the car 3 days out of my 7 days of owning even though they did an early MOT and early 3rd service. They say it's the tyres and they are changing them to what I don't know but the fronts have Crossclimate 2s on, I'll wait to see. I requested that they check the alignment as it's known that the rear can be out and causing this tyre defect. They got the spider out but in the process damaged the front perspex screen so a new one was ordered and supposed to be fitted this morning (Saturday) but as yet with only 15 minutes until they close I don't think I'll be getting it back until next week. Ah well I have the service manager's Skoda Enyak 85 in the meantime.
@@JonathanPorterfield JP, just picked the car up and they've fitted the cheapest of the correct rated and legal tyres called Royal Performance. 🤔 They didn't even do the alignment check as I requested like you have done. Looks like I may need to go to Kwik Fit to prove either way. The dash perspex was done and the rear wiper replaced as was split and not mentioned on its third service. Tick box exercise comes to mind......next. Otherwise a great car.
Cracking update. We have same year & spec & colour. There is no other EV I would replace this with. Have you had the Kia Service Campaign to flush & replace the battery coolant with new V2 coolant that is supposed not to crystallise? Interestingly the sister car Hyundai Kona top spec has an electrically adjustable passenger seat.
Service Campaign for all Hyundai & KIA EVs to flush out the BSC1 Coolant that has been found to crystallise and replace it with newly released BSC2 KIA Manufacturers Revall 220101, Hyundai Campaign 20 D 140 @@JonathanPorterfield
The lane departure system is the only thing I dislike about my 4+. It nearly sent me into an oncoming car on a country road soon after I bought the car and I've turned it off on every journey since. If it could remember this setting, and Auto Hold, it would be perfect.
Yes, had exactly that experience and then it tried to drive at a cyclist I was passing. Now I routinely turn it off, auto hold on before I set off in my Huyndai Ioniq 38 kWh, such a great car I forgive it.
I too have had a Kia eNiro from new. Now 40,000 miles on the clock. Like you, I don't want any other car. This car has everything. The only annoying thing is the lane warning noise, which on narrower roads, is beeping far too often - BUT - only recently I have discovered that it is just a press of a single button to turn it off. You say you can't turn it off; I once thought so, but the button down on the right of the steering wheel sorts that.
I hired an e-Niro once and it is absolutely brilliant. Totally effortless. Comfortable. Capable. Practical. Does 250-300 miles with ease. I must say however that I've always found the "I prefer buttons" argument to be bogus. When I see reviewers talking about preferring buttons because the touch screens are too distracting they still sub-consciously look at the buttons when they press them. It's barely any different from looking at a touch screen.
This another interesting video Jonathan. I think you did an earlier video on why the numbers stack up for you on this? I have an ID3 on PCP and was bit worried about what to do when it ends as I’ll be retired by then, i.e. I don’t want/need another new car. I think the guaranteed future value is somewhere around £15,000. This seems to be a similar scenario to you. I’d be more than happy to keep the car, would you agree that it would make similar sense to your outcome?
PCP is a fixed future value , with PCH its market value at auction , so its a risk that could be good either way , if values rise your fixed balloon will be great , if the used value drops due to markets values etc ,then PCH is great 👍
Mrs P commented about having to use the key to unlock the charge plug? I’ve only had mine two months and love it, and at first had a few issues with getting the plug out after charging and tried that many things I still don’t really know what actually released it. Now all I do is unlock the car as normal with the handle button and the plug comes out, even with the power still from the charger. There is a button on the right side of the dash that I think has something to do with this settling?
Always liked the thought of an E Niro, good range, not brilliant charging speed but not pretentious. One question - driving behind them the battery seems really low down and exposed - how protected are they?
Any thoughts on which fuel card I ought to get when I get an EV in a few months? The e-niro is a shoe-in, and most of my driving is within 30 miles of home. I wll occasionally have longer trips that might necessitate a visit to a fast charger, but I don't want umpteen subscriptions to cover my backside for those rare occasions. So which supplier will give me the most chargers for least technological grief, in your opinion?
Hi , i recommend the electroverse RFID card that covers 90% of all rapid chargers. electroverse.octopus.energy/sign-up/magic?referralCode=crisp-shade-12433 Gridserve use your bank card for payment. The other really great option is the Tesla Superchargers, download the tesla app to charge 'non tesla' evs. The above options will cover 99% of all public chargers.
Hi Jonathan, interesting to see how you go about buying your lease vehicle . My lease states that I will never own the vehicle so is that common across different lease companies. Someone told me they sold their lease car to we buy any car then payed the lease company the settlement figure which left him with money for his next down payment.
Mr P - need your help please. Want to spend around £17k on an EV, narrowed my choice to Kona, Soul or now having watched a few of your videos a Niro 4+, had a Kona Premium SE before however they're now out of warranty, the Niro seems nearly there, just wish it had a HUD wish I miss. The Kona Ultimate nor any of the Soul's have a heat pump which I loved in my Kona, instant heat to clear the ice from the windscreen and warm me on a winters day. Lots of choice on autotrader but how the hell to know what is a good price these days is giving me a headache. Can you help ? By the way please tell Mrs P she has a lovely smile and should be filmed more, she's very funny !
At a trade auction £17k ( on the hammer) will buy a 4+ on a 21 plate with around 30/40k miles , as of this month june 2024 , budget around £900 more for fees and eco cars fee. Hope this helps , and ill pass on your comments too Mrs P 👍👍
You can't turn off the lane departure warning feature on your UK spec Niro EV? I found it to be annoying on my 2022 model, but there is a button between the steering column and the door to turn it off. I love my Niro my only complaint is the drivers seat doesn't go low enough for me, since I'm 6'4" and I feel that I'm setting too high still.
@@JonathanPorterfield sorry, I must have missed that part. 😕 I did like the video and your insights on your 3-year ownership. I've had mine for a few months now.
Jonathan, might one ask a cheeky, non car related question ? I have a work colleague heading for Orkney, she would like to know how bad are the midges ? Ta Trev
A great video. I have just bought the almost identical eNiro! Can you explain Tesla charging please? I assume you can use the Tesla app to find charging stations that will take non-Tesla cars? Do you need any sort of adapter? Thank!
Hi Lee , all tesla superchargers are CCS , no adapters needed , download the Tesla app and it says 'charge a non Tesla' and show ONLY the tesla sites we can use. Super easy , register your bank card on the app , and follow instructions when you arrive at a tesla supercharger.
Did you see me 'say' " I can turn it off" I leave it on as Ursula "struggles ' to keep the car driving straight 😁😁 and the LDW keeps my lovley wife safe 😉👍
Aha, now I understand 👍 I had the Niro HEV for 3 years, I missed out on the eNiro, but now have a 2023 Niro EV - your experience was part of what informed me to get the EV 👍
Do you service yours every 10,000 warranty book says every 20,000 or two years. If you take a service plan with Kia they service every 10,000 or 1 year. Do you have yours serviced with Kia dealer
The new Niro EV is 2 years or 20k miles. For my own peace of mind i get it 'serviced' once a year as a safety check ( tyres, suspension, etc) Ill never use franchise dealers as the independents such as HEVRA garages do more 'work' for less money ! And no warranty is at risk. See my 1st service video on the e niro. ua-cam.com/video/EkY8Pc4dLAc/v-deo.htmlsi=NiTuBGLR3dC9UDLb
As men we can multi task though cant we ? Carry the key fob AND bags at the same time 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Im saying this as Ursula never watches my videos , and would never read comments 'if' she did watch this , so im ok 👍 👌
Love is a Kia e-Niro 4+ and how the hell did Kia manage to make the new one less economical when it's the same car with just a different coat on !! beats me. P.S. it's a bland looking car that no one takes any notice off slips under the raider nicely so gets left alone and only the geeks now about it's magic.
It's all relative , £7000 for folk with a £3500 budget is 'not cheap'. For a real world ev range of 300 miles and the remaining 4 years of the 7year warranty , £18k is 'cheap' compaired to other new EVs with a 3 year warranty that are circa £30k !
Had ours (4+) for coming up to 3 years. Best car I’ve ever had!!
I agree 👍
Handed back our e-Niro this week. It was on lease. It ran faultlessly for 16k miles. Very comfortable no rattles. A superb car all round. My only niggle was when rear passengers left the vehicle and the twisted seatbelts would knock against the doors around corners. Looked around for a replacement lease. Tempted to get another Kia Niro, tested the new Hyundai Kona. The Kona was Ok but not better than the old e-Niro and all the safety alarms when driving drove us both mad. 1 mph over the limit a bing or a bong. Eyes not on the road another bing or a bong. The dealership guy said these can be turned off. But you have to do it ever time you entered the car. In the end noted that Genesis EV60 second hand prices were affordable for us. Went for a test drive and the car was amazing. Ended up with a car with 2k mileage and 24k off list price. I know the price will carry on dropping but hopefully this car will last us out in luxury. Having started with a Trotters Reliant Supervan on a motorcycle licence.
Ive been thinking about the EV60 Genesis too 🤔, re my retirement ev ( we are keeping our e niro too)
Back in 1979 at the ripe old age of 17 and with a full motorbike licence and having to wait an age to take my driving test I too ended up with a blue J reg Reliant Regal Supervan. How my mates mocked me but I didn't care, it had a heater and a windscreen and I could carry passengers and get my old mum a sack of spuds from the green grocers. I'm now an EV owner, amazing how far the car world has come in a relatively short time. By the way you had to be a contortionist to mess with that Reliant engine !
Mrs P stole the show, 👍
Shame she'll never see this comment ( as she never watches my videos , wise woman !)
Your Niro reviews have made me swap my MG4 for a Niro EV. Apart from the fact my MG was in the dealer for 3 months with a charging fault the touch screen is maddening. Going back to buttons is a big plus for me.
Ursula, please be in more videos. you're brilliant! You're old mans not bad but we need much more of you. Please, pretty please!!
Easy tiger 🐅 😎
Mrs P is quite right, lane departure and locked charge flap are rather annoying. It's the same on my Nero Ev.
Jonathon, I adopted your driving style over a 112m trip and achieved 5.1 m/kwh. Now I accept the new Niro isn't as efficient as the older model, it was a warm day, but its not that bad.
You can change the way the chargers flap unlocks on the Niro EV by changing to unlock at P or at power off. Best at P
Ursula: "I like to put my hand out and twiddle the knobs.."
Jonathan thinks: oo,er, I don't know what to say next...
Loved watching Mrs P's face as she realised where the sentence was going to go but decided it was funny and went with it anyway.😂 Great fun, glad you left that in Jonathan.
Made me smile - great dynamic between Mr & Mrs P. Kate and James have new competition! 😂
Ah your Mrs P is lovely, 🙋 hello Ursula, I hope you find out soon that you can turn off that flippin LDW. Jonathon dont be wicked to your good lady 😂
I turn mine off every time I get in my Ioniq 38kWh, drives me potty and personally I think it can be dangerous when it suddenly yanks the wheel out of your hand if you need to pass something on a clear straight road with nothing behind and dont need to indicate. (Yes I know, trolls, one should always indicate but I'm an old ex-bus driver with an unblemished driving record...and no I havent seen many accidents in my rear view mirror!)
My wife, however is dispraxic and leaves it on so that it looks after her if she needs to glance away from the road momentarily. So horses for courses... I can see it has its uses, maybe on long motorway journeys it would serve a purpose.
Glad to hear youre still enjoying your eNiro JP.👍
I have the same 4+ model on lease and concur with all the comments made.
I like the bland anonymous looks.
Currently giving 4.2 m/KwH. Dips to 3.8 in mid winter.
I will definitely get a quote to buy it at the end of lease.
I did the same with my e-niro 4+ lease car last year - 2 years old then with 50k miles and we paid BCA £21k for it. Here we are nearly a year later at 66k miles and it's still perfectly reliable. I agree with your missus about the charge flap - bloody annoying! But I still look forward to every drive; I absolutely love it! Oh, battery degradation is at 6%.
Fantastic Geoff 👍👍 thanks for your comments 👍
Had my 70 plate 4+ for 4 months now, only 12000 miles. Just back from trip to Normandy. Great first EV or us, my wife loves it also. Keep up the good vids btw.
Thanks you for your comments and that you enjoy me babbling on !
You know what's crazy regarding our Niros? I've been taxing for close to 3 decades and I have to say the E niro has to be the BEST taxi I've ever run. Why? well as a motorway cruiser its beautifully smooth and quiet. Around town I find the ride pretty good along with a nice tight turning circle. Passenger comfort for 4 is right up there most love the deep rear bench (most bevs have awful benches due to the batteries and have knees up mother browns 😂) and the boot, once you ditch the stupid and pointless polycarbonate space killing attachment! Why KIA why? You get a really deep usable boot that takes two large suitcases one medium and two carry ons! Factor in still class leading efficiency (I regularly achieve 5.4mpkWh for 6 months and 4.4mpkWh in the winter) and the Niro is going to be the car for most people for the next 10 years! Ps I've been doing a test on Michelin cross climate 2s and my efficiency so far is the same as the Michelin primacy 4s so what a load of bolloc*s manufacturers go on about bev only tyres being better it's utter rubbish 😂😂😂. Good luck with the Niro for the future mate you've made an exceptional decision! Cheers
Interesting. How many miles do you expect to do before you change it? There was a private hire guy in London who did 75,000 miles in 18 months but I'm wondering if anyone has done huge mileages in their e-Niro yet. I live in France and have one of the first to come into the country in 2019, we are retired folks and its our only car which is on 103,000 km now...We've done long hauls all over Europe and back to the UK and its brilliant on long journeys. I hope yours serves you well over many more miles.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 hi mate a friend on UA-cam has a guy that has passed 235,000 miles and still performing great. My E niro has 103,000 miles so far and the battery seems excellent. Cheers
@@FancyaBevMate Good to hear from you. I used to follow your videos when you had the Leaf, good to know you are still going strong and sounds like your e-Niro is too. 😊.I keep wondering when I will see any range loss on ours as so far none at all. 235,000 miles is amazing and it makes you wonder how long these things can go on for...a lot longer than ICE powered cars I'm sure.
We have Cross Climate 2's on our ID.3 replacing the OEM Continents and if anything our miles/kWh have risen slightly.
Although we have an ID.3 I always refer folk to the e-Niro as the car to have for all round practicality, efficiency and affordability. We did 4.3 miles/kWh on our journey south from Orkney back to the English midlands in the ID.3 which is very acceptable but I am slightly envious of the extra efficiency of the e-Niro.
@@michaelgoode9555 yeah South Korea has only one equal but more expensive and that’s Tesla. No other manufacturer comes close. Cheers
With regard to Mrs P's comment about unlocking the charge socket cable pin with the key, it is possible without the key in your hand... She could always just press the unlock button on the driver or passenger door handle as usual, after which you get a very few seconds (so need to be quick) to remove the plug. She could even re-lock and unlock again (with the door buttons) once the shopping is in the car and then unplug the cable. Hope that helps.
On my E Niro 2, I can turn off the lane departure warning by holding down (rather than just clicking) for a few seconds, the steering wheel button on the on the steering wheel. However, you do have to do this *every* time you start the car again - because it's a mandatory safety "feature" for the Euro Safety Tests. 😞
That was fun! We've had our e-Niro from new since March 2019. We live in the Poitou-Charente region of France and our car was in the first batch to arrive here. Just coming up to the 105, 000 km service (65,000 miles) and loving it. It's been totally reliable apart from the 12v battery needing replacement. First couple of years were a challenge on long hauls around the country but these days there are plenty of rapid chargers on all the autoroutes. We've been to the UK 4 times in it and we have family in Switzerland so Lausanne and Zurich have been destinations too...and when a grandson gets born in Frankfurt...then you have to go!..We also went to Spain last year and on long hauls the car is comfortable, quiet and with a real world range of 450 km in the summer on fast roads. Looking forward to seeing how yours takes the miles over the next few years.
Thats great , thanks for watching and your comments 🙂
Great video, Jonathan. Currently, I have a 28kwh Ioniq, but I am strangely drawn to a Niro. My wife is only five feet tall, so Mrs P sold it to me.
Get the 4+ with electric 2 stage memory drivers seat , its saved my marriage a number of times 😜🤣🤣🤣
My company car is a71 plate so nearly three years and done 32k miles. No issues what so ever. Average around 3.9mpkw.
Congratulations to the both of you. It’s nice not to have to give it back. ❤ 🎉 👍
I just drove to Germany in my KIA e niro last week because I used destination chargers and most of them were free I used tesla network for the rest of it I only spent £30 on the whole trip there and back its an amazing car.
Ursula is awesome. A down-to-earth, real world driver! x
Good choice Jonathon…still got the Kia eniro 4 you purchased for me in 2020 from Leeds auction house. Still very pleased with it too
Thats great to hear , they are great EVs 👍 👌
So nice to hear us living near Leicester are 'darn sarf'; its 'oop norf' for me.
You should be able to set the charge cable to unlock. Our 2018 Ioniq allows it and I only set it to lock when using our own type 2 cable.
Great to see Mrs P on camera. Great work as always bud.
Thanks Tim 👍 😊
Mrs P, why not press the door lock unlock black button on the door handle, saves taking your keys out. Never take mine out of my trouser pocket.
Yes she does this anyway , it's getting the key out to unlock the charge cable she finds annoying 🙄
@@JonathanPorterfield That was my point you don’t have to to get the key out just press the black button to lock, then again to unlock, you the hat 15 to 20 seconds to pull the charging cable out.
@billbenstead920 ...but that means shes got to walk past the charge port , to the door handle , then walk back to the charge port , id never hear the end of it !! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Totally agree with your wife about lane departure warning it's a total PITA, the first day I had my Nissan Leaf and it activated it was frightening, went into the settings and disabled it and I've never switched it back on, if the Nero can't switch the feature off I wouldn't buy one no matter how good the rest of the car is, suppose we have to blame it on EURONCAP for that.
I'm considering a GWM Ora 03 when the lease on the Leaf ends in a few months, the feature can be turned off on the Ora but it defaults to on every time you start up, will be a pain but it will probably become second nature to switch it off as part of the start up procedure.
How rare is it for a reviewer to put their money where their mouth is.
Fair play Jonathan and Mrs. P. apart from the MK1 bias of course ; MK2 owner 🙂
I wish I could time the charger unlock a bit longer, especially when I am trying to wrestle my toddler into the back.
Always found the wiggling of the mirrors every time I walk by with the key a bit off.
With a toddler I would love an estate version, for increased boot space.
Lovely follow up and cameo of Mrs. P.
I have the 2021 USA Kia Niro EV. Have you thought about adding the comma 3? I use sunnypilot which let's it steer without having cruise control set. Just gentle steering adjustments and no lane departure beeping. Comma 3 takes over the cruise control buttons on the steering wheel. It's lovely. Because of your earlier video I had my gear reduction oil changed when I bought my used Niro at 17,900 miles. And had it changed again at 54,700.
I wanna say there's a button on the dash near the door that let's you turn off the charger cable lock feature.
Thanks for your comments , and your appreciation of Mrs P !
I wish she'd be in more of my videos, but so pleased she said yes last Sunday to being in this one !
Always great to hear from EV drivers from across the pond too , thanks !
Hi Jonathan, just bought a 22 reg niro2 (LS22xx) from Arval. Turns out car came from Orknrey - had it delivered to Manchester for convenience then drove it back up to a village near Thurso where I now live. The cars great as are the views of Orkney!
Ohh could be one of our ex Reflex leased e niro ( we leased over 200 evs as part of the Reflex project)
@@JonathanPorterfield Not sure what the Reflex project was but it's certainly in good condition so well pleased so far. 👍
@CliffReece discounted EVs for public to experience EVs over a lease term
@@JonathanPorterfield Certainly got ev's mainstream on Orkney. More work needed on mainland Scotland - folks round here think they can only do 50 miles. Will have to convince them otherwise 😂
This video may help convince them that we can go further than 50 miles !
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Great review JP.
Reminds me: I must talk to Cleevely about the reduction gear oil in our ID.3.
Thanks Michael 👍 😊
My wife and i agree with Ursula that a top of the range car should have an electric memory seat on the passenger side too.
The other thing I'd like would be for the pedestrian warning sound to stop when the wheels stop. The only way to stop the stupid space ship noise at traffic lights is to push Park. Oh, and put a box on top of all that space under the bonnet to store the cables!
If you have the VESS button ( the 4 and 4+ have one) press this to turn iff the pedestrian warning sound ,it also will silance the 'bong bong' when reversing at 5am i the morning so you dont wake up the neighbours 😉
I had an E Niro 4+ on personal lease and unfortunately was not able to purchase it. My only downside to the Kia were all the bings and bongs when starting up, otherwise the car was fantastic and easily didi the 870 mile round trip to Disneyland Paris. My Kia tended to only give around 4 miles per kWh , with nearer 3.6 on motorways. I did use the cruise control for majority of my driving, where possible.
I now have a Tesla Model 3 RWD and love it.
Yes , it depends on the funder . It's great that ARVAL do give PCH customers the option 😀
JP. We still have First Edition (5 years) though only 23000 miles due age ours not the car. James and co do the service and only problem at 2 years was the solenoid on the charge port cover failed. Roger
They really are a great motor Johnathan it would've been crazy to let it go, mine has 141k kms now,has savedme €4k/yr & no bother - my wife forbids me to sell it!
Re Mrs P there's a button down on right side when pressed that lets you unplug once charger is stopped. Well wear AGAIN 🎉
I've had EVs since 2013 and I've had two e-niros, a level 2 and now last week I purchased a 4+ from a Kia dealer. Sadly this 4+ has the Primacy 3 rear tyre castling effect on the inners and the higher speed noise was bad. It also has a dead spider behind the dash perspex! They had the car 3 days out of my 7 days of owning even though they did an early MOT and early 3rd service. They say it's the tyres and they are changing them to what I don't know but the fronts have Crossclimate 2s on, I'll wait to see. I requested that they check the alignment as it's known that the rear can be out and causing this tyre defect. They got the spider out but in the process damaged the front perspex screen so a new one was ordered and supposed to be fitted this morning (Saturday) but as yet with only 15 minutes until they close I don't think I'll be getting it back until next week. Ah well I have the service manager's Skoda Enyak 85 in the meantime.
This sounds 'SO LIKE' a main dealer 😳 😂
@@JonathanPorterfield JP, just picked the car up and they've fitted the cheapest of the correct rated and legal tyres called Royal Performance. 🤔 They didn't even do the alignment check as I requested like you have done. Looks like I may need to go to Kwik Fit to prove either way. The dash perspex was done and the rear wiper replaced as was split and not mentioned on its third service. Tick box exercise comes to mind......next. Otherwise a great car.
Cracking update.
We have same year & spec & colour. There is no other EV I would replace this with.
Have you had the Kia Service Campaign to flush & replace the battery coolant with new V2 coolant that is supposed not to crystallise?
Interestingly the sister car Hyundai Kona top spec has an electrically adjustable passenger seat.
No service campaign for this e niro , i believe it was a certain 'batch' of fluids that may crystallise.
Service Campaign for all Hyundai & KIA EVs to flush out the BSC1 Coolant that has been found to crystallise and replace it with newly released BSC2
KIA Manufacturers Revall 220101,
Hyundai Campaign 20 D 140 @@JonathanPorterfield
The lane departure system is the only thing I dislike about my 4+. It nearly sent me into an oncoming car on a country road soon after I bought the car and I've turned it off on every journey since. If it could remember this setting, and Auto Hold, it would be perfect.
Yes, had exactly that experience and then it tried to drive at a cyclist I was passing. Now I routinely turn it off, auto hold on before I set off in my Huyndai Ioniq 38 kWh, such a great car I forgive it.
I too have had a Kia eNiro from new. Now 40,000 miles on the clock. Like you, I don't want any other car. This car has everything. The only annoying thing is the lane warning noise, which on narrower roads, is beeping far too often - BUT - only recently I have discovered that it is just a press of a single button to turn it off. You say you can't turn it off; I once thought so, but the button down on the right of the steering wheel sorts that.
See what i said to camera 'silently ' 😉
I hired an e-Niro once and it is absolutely brilliant. Totally effortless. Comfortable. Capable. Practical. Does 250-300 miles with ease.
I must say however that I've always found the "I prefer buttons" argument to be bogus. When I see reviewers talking about preferring buttons because the touch screens are too distracting they still sub-consciously look at the buttons when they press them. It's barely any different from looking at a touch screen.
Thanks for watching and your comments esp about buttons verses screens 😀
This another interesting video Jonathan.
I think you did an earlier video on why the numbers stack up for you on this?
I have an ID3 on PCP and was bit worried about what to do when it ends as I’ll be retired by then, i.e. I don’t want/need another new car. I think the guaranteed future value is somewhere around £15,000. This seems to be a similar scenario to you.
I’d be more than happy to keep the car, would you agree that it would make similar sense to your outcome?
PCP is a fixed future value , with PCH its market value at auction , so its a risk that could be good either way , if values rise your fixed balloon will be great , if the used value drops due to markets values etc ,then PCH is great 👍
Mrs P commented about having to use the key to unlock the charge plug? I’ve only had mine two months and love it, and at first had a few issues with getting the plug out after charging and tried that many things I still don’t really know what actually released it. Now all I do is unlock the car as normal with the handle button and the plug comes out, even with the power still from the charger. There is a button on the right side of the dash that I think has something to do with this settling?
Yes, there's a button inside the car , Ursula is on about unplugging at home when shes about to go out 🙂
Always liked the thought of an E Niro, good range, not brilliant charging speed but not pretentious. One question - driving behind them the battery seems really low down and exposed - how protected are they?
Ive not read of any issues of the low battery position , and there's a LOT of e niro out on the road !
The conversation about unlocking the cable with the key can you not unlock it with the interior lock unlock button
Any thoughts on which fuel card I ought to get when I get an EV in a few months? The e-niro is a shoe-in, and most of my driving is within 30 miles of home. I wll occasionally have longer trips that might necessitate a visit to a fast charger, but I don't want umpteen subscriptions to cover my backside for those rare occasions. So which supplier will give me the most chargers for least technological grief, in your opinion?
Hi , i recommend the electroverse RFID card that covers 90% of all rapid chargers. electroverse.octopus.energy/sign-up/magic?referralCode=crisp-shade-12433
Gridserve use your bank card for payment.
The other really great option is the Tesla Superchargers, download the tesla app to charge 'non tesla' evs.
The above options will cover 99% of all public chargers.
Hi Jonathan, interesting to see how you go about buying your lease vehicle . My lease states that I will never own the vehicle so is that common across different lease companies. Someone told me they sold their lease car to we buy any car then payed the lease company the settlement figure which left him with money for his next down payment.
That sounds like a PCP , theres a differance between this and PCH ,
see this video
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Mr P - need your help please. Want to spend around £17k on an EV, narrowed my choice to Kona, Soul or now having watched a few of your videos a Niro 4+, had a Kona Premium SE before however they're now out of warranty, the Niro seems nearly there, just wish it had a HUD wish I miss. The Kona Ultimate nor any of the Soul's have a heat pump which I loved in my Kona, instant heat to clear the ice from the windscreen and warm me on a winters day. Lots of choice on autotrader but how the hell to know what is a good price these days is giving me a headache. Can you help ? By the way please tell Mrs P she has a lovely smile and should be filmed more, she's very funny !
At a trade auction £17k ( on the hammer) will buy a 4+ on a 21 plate with around 30/40k miles , as of this month june 2024 , budget around £900 more for fees and eco cars fee.
Hope this helps , and ill pass on your comments too Mrs P 👍👍
I'm obliged.
You can't turn off the lane departure warning feature on your UK spec Niro EV? I found it to be annoying on my 2022 model, but there is a button between the steering column and the door to turn it off. I love my Niro my only complaint is the drivers seat doesn't go low enough for me, since I'm 6'4" and I feel that I'm setting too high still.
Rob , please see me saying silently to camera " i can turn it off" in the video 🤣🤣
@@JonathanPorterfield sorry, I must have missed that part. 😕 I did like the video and your insights on your 3-year ownership. I've had mine for a few months now.
Jonathan, might one ask a cheeky, non car related question ?
I have a work colleague heading for Orkney, she would like to know how bad are the midges ?
Ta Trev
Midges very very rare , it's too windy !
@@JonathanPorterfield Many thanks :-)
No comments about twiddling knobs from me!
A great video. I have just bought the almost identical eNiro! Can you explain Tesla charging please? I assume you can use the Tesla app to find charging stations that will take non-Tesla cars? Do you need any sort of adapter? Thank!
Hi Lee , all tesla superchargers are CCS , no adapters needed , download the Tesla app and it says 'charge a non Tesla' and show ONLY the tesla sites we can use.
Super easy , register your bank card on the app , and follow instructions when you arrive at a tesla supercharger.
@@JonathanPorterfield Perfect. Thanks! I am impressed that Mrs P can just set off on a long journey with no worries.
@leejordanful Ive trained her well !
Strange, I've installed the Tesla app but it doesn't give me a non-tesla option. I'll figure it out 😊
@@leejordanful does the app say 'charge your ev' ? On its home page ?
If you get a 2nd car it has to be a VW UP! (Ursula Porterfield).
Great EV , bit to low to get in and out of for us 'oldies' 🤣👵😜
2:42 £17875 to buy. How much have you spent on rental cost to date? I’d guess around £12000?
I covered this here ..
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@@JonathanPorterfield okay forgot that, so it was close to that. If you’d bought the car then for £18100 you’d have saved paying 3 more rentals?
@wintersun398 1 more rental , ive took 4 weeks to get this video out
Your dead meat when she finds out about the beep beep disabling switch.
Haha , she never watches my videos , so im safe 😉 👍
Interesting that you can't turn off the lane departure beep, as i could on my 2020 Niro HEV 🤔
Did you see me 'say' " I can turn it off"
I leave it on as Ursula "struggles ' to keep the car driving straight 😁😁 and the LDW keeps my lovley wife safe 😉👍
Aha, now I understand 👍
I had the Niro HEV for 3 years, I missed out on the eNiro, but now have a 2023 Niro EV - your experience was part of what informed me to get the EV 👍
Do you service yours every 10,000 warranty book says every 20,000 or two years. If you take a service plan with Kia they service every 10,000 or 1 year. Do you have yours serviced with Kia dealer
The new Niro EV is 2 years or 20k miles.
For my own peace of mind i get it 'serviced' once a year as a safety check ( tyres, suspension, etc)
Ill never use franchise dealers as the independents such as HEVRA garages do more 'work' for less money !
And no warranty is at risk.
See my 1st service video on the e niro.
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@@JonathanPorterfield Thanks Jonathon will look at video
@@JonathanPorterfieldmy local hevra garage quoted £229 inc vat with pollen filter and brake fluid change.
I have to be honest with your wife on the key fob issue if you put your bags down then get the bags dirty
As men we can multi task though cant we ? Carry the key fob AND bags at the same time 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Im saying this as Ursula never watches my videos , and would never read comments 'if' she did watch this , so im ok 👍 👌
😳8:54 Mrs P: "I LIKE TWIDDLY KNOBS" 😊🤣
invites the wife and gets RATED and DEMONETISED in a jiffy...👏
Love is a Kia e-Niro 4+ and how the hell did Kia manage to make the new one less economical when it's the same car with just a different coat on !! beats me.
P.S. it's a bland looking car that no one takes any notice off slips under the raider nicely so gets left alone and only the geeks now about it's magic.
100% agree with you Colin ! Thanks for watching and your comments 🙂
14000 pounds for a secondhand car is not Cheap, I bought a secondhand Hyundai I 10 with 20,000 miles for £7000
It's all relative , £7000 for folk with a £3500 budget is 'not cheap'.
For a real world ev range of 300 miles and the remaining 4 years of the 7year warranty , £18k is 'cheap' compaired to other new EVs with a 3 year warranty that are circa £30k !
10:07 Mrs P is secret DRIFTer. 🏎