11:41 Actually, Hermes is one of the few gods that usually offers aid to Greek heroes without expecting much in return. He's a trickster god so he likes helping underdogs. Also, they don't address this in Epic, so this isn't a spoiler but Hermes is actually Odysseus' great grandfather, so he has another reason to help him out here.
@@elijahspooner3462 I really wish people would stop spreading that info. Hermes being Circe's ex lover comes from the modern fantasy novel Circe, it does not come from greek mythology.
Let's be honest - if Hermes is one of those olympians who can be trusted relatively safely, then Athena is... Well, not to say that the worst choice, but certainly not the best.
Hermes tends to be the helpful benefactor in Greek Mythos, either because another god sends him or by his on will. In this case, since Odysseus is his great grandson, you can say that he is helping family.
Hermes also once dated circe so you can also make a case for him spiteing an Ex hence why she clocks it right away as Hermes giving the molly to Odysseus
I feel like the term family isn’t really fitting knowing almost eveyone is related in some way. Like Poseidon would be his great great grand uncle, and Circe would also be related someway due to Helios.
@@cbctebasrajeb81 I mean they usually care about direct lines, like you never have a Greek god hooking up with their child. Gods usually do help the children and grandchildren of them
I have never even seen this one but I can immediately say this one is my absolute favorite now. I'll definitely check the video out and like it after this one
@fateha_ it's a pretty recent animatic too!! assuming that she's reacting to the curated animatic playlist, i'm really happy laritamiauu's animatic was the one chosen to replace the other wouldn't you like animatic :DD
@@fooplopI sent her my currated playlist when she did Troy saga. That's the one she's using. I tried to use a couple of lesser known animatics and I love laritamiauu's so much ua-cam.com/play/PLDtLFTo7J8DvaJQDZ3jdAbipzc66jodQD.html
That’s not actually how I interpret it for the last chorus. In the last chorus, I do think current Circe is singing and so Ody just can’t hear her side of it.
@@Gemini-Lion that's not what they mean lol. it's a current inside joke in the fandom that eurylochus sings the whole thing and he's just unreasonably good at doing an impression of circe, and ody's ''damn'' is just him being impressed lmao
These are my recommendations for The Underworld Saga: The Underworld- Falperio05 No Longer You- Ximena Natzel Monster- Gigi Get the tissues ready. To quote Jorge on the saga- “This is where Odysseus goes to get his heart broken! :D”
The playlist she's using that I made has all those except I've got the Underworld by TheeArteest instead No Longer You may end up being the Gwendy version as I just switched to Ximena the other day and Idk if she's recorded Underworld yet
@@coleedgerly5666 I hope she gets Ximena's. That one made my friend and I appreciate the song even more. The vibes are immaculate. Have you seen Falperio's version of The Underworld?
There was a mistake in there are other ways. He says its been 12 long years but its only been 10 years. Jorge made a video on it and it was so funny when he realized it.
In later songs, it seems like he doubled down on that mistake and was rolling with it. Like, in the Wisdom saga they mention how (after a time jump) it had been 20 years since Ithaca saw him. Even later, they mention that Poseidon meeting Odysseus in Ruthlessness happened 8 years ago at that time.
@@Gemini-Lion I mean what else can he do but double down lol like 12 years literally ruins the entire timeline so why not just fuck with it at this point
@@agatha6999 TL;DR: I was wrong and I was thinking about a since edited lyric. I actually realized after posting my reply that the "8 years" part was a demo part of the song that was edited to "10 years" for the full release after Mr. Jalapeño realized that timeline wise, it was supposed to be 10.
Her lover doesnt get mentioned again, however the other person in her love triangle does show up later. Wont spoil it for you but I will mention it when you get to it. Great reaction as always!
In Greek mythology, Hermes is notorious for helping Greek protagonists without asking for anything in return. (He's also Odysseus' grandfather, but this is never brought up in the musical) He's quirky but he's honestly greek mythos' best boi.
He is NOT the best boi. He is a PURE agent of chaos. I am convinced that his entire motivation behind helping Ody is entertainment. His favorite method of entertainment is "what if I gave this mortal who is struggling against the odds a mythological gatling gun so it is less one sided. I bet that would piss the other side off. Lol"
Hermes is not just the messenger of the gods😭he’s the god of boundaries, roads, travelers, merchants, thieves, athletes, shepherds, commerce, speed, cunning, language, oratory, wit, and messages, he’s one of the olympians and he’s the son of Zeus and Maia. And Apollo’s favourite brother
Fun fact: one of the men (named Elpenor) was not turned into a pig he actually died not by Circe herself but by getting so drunk he fell down and broke his neck no one noticed so they didn’t give him a proper burial Hermes is one of those characters who will do something for you and expect nothing in return except entertainment he’s also Odysseus great grandfather and Circe’s EX Did you notice in the flashback there were *four* nymphs but in the present there are now *three* nymphs *also* Odysseus men were not the reason for that it was another group that came before them I think in the stories for this some of it is debatable whether it was consensual on Odysseus end So here’s something funny: the creator accidentally made a mathematical error it’s actually still been 10 years not 12 years but by the time the creator had this pointed out and he realized it’s true it was already too late Fun fact: when Odysseus voice is high like we see him begging to Circe it’s Odysseus showing vulnerability when there are some strains where he’s trying not to let his vulnerability get to him and sometimes failing
He fell off the roof, Gigi included it in the animatic at 25:36 . you could see him drinking wine on the roof on the top right of the screen. before he falls and breaks his neck without anyone noticing him. His name was Elpenor
I don’t think you caught this, but right after Odysseus pulls away in ‘There are Other Ways’ with the “I can’t!”, Penelope’s motif plays in the background (the tune he sings her name to every time)
Omggg I have so much to say! First yessss Circe is such a GIRLBOSS! I love her and Gigi's design for her is my fav. Second, Laritamiauu's wouldn't you like is such an underrated animatic and I love their depiction of Hermes so much! I'm glad you watched their vid for this. And lastly yup yup yup you've called it "he's a man" and "he loves Penelope" the two things that Odysseus is! Loved your reaction to this! ❤❤❤
As a pure Athena Stan I must protect my queen from this heresy and point out that in Greek mythology Medusa is born a monster and it’s in the Roman version of the myth, by someone who purposefully painted the gods in a worse manner than they are,that she is raped and turned to a monster by Athena. If you wanted to do someone who has a right to be mad at Athena do Arachne.
@ I have a lot of conflicting feelings after looking this up and seeing that you’re right, she wasn’t depicted that way until a Roman poet basically rewrote an existing monster from what I read on a first search (could still be a pretty big oversimplification, but I hope I’m not too far off). Conflicted mostly because the later origin is one I’ve tried to draw strength from in some really dark moments, but I wish it hadn’t been done in a way that villainizes the gods of a pantheon that the author didn’t worship. I know that there’s a decent amount of overlap and similarities between Roman and Greek mythology, but I definitely haven’t learned enough about it and now have a couple topics to fall down a rabbit hole with! Will definitely be looking up Arachne too, I’ve seen the name and always thought it looked cool, but haven’t ever gotten around to looking into it more thoroughly. Your comment gave me some interesting things to keep my mind busy for a while, so thank you!
Well, if we wanna talk Greek mythology, Hermes is the god of trickery and mischief so it's very natural to think he may about to trick Odysseus 😂 but Epic's Hermes is pretty much a nonchalant chaotic popstar lol
Hermes is the messenger of the gods, the patron of travelers, thieves, and merchants, and the guide of the dead to the underworld. He's also to be known as a trickster as well :)
I think Odysseus saying hes just a man is also because hes against a goddess and how can he say no to her for this if it means saving his men, he already used the moly but he still needs to convince her to actually change them back
For the Underworld Saga, I'd really recommend the three animatics from the big playlist by SimonSayzzz. The Underworld- TheeArteest No Longer You- Ximena Natzel Monster- gigi I don't know if they are the 'best' but I think they really hit the mark in delivering the message of the songs through
The playlist she's using that I made has all those on it No Longer You may end up being the Gwendy version as I just switched to Ximena the other day and Idk if she's recorded Underworld yet
So in the actual Odyssey, he does have sex with Circe. They actually have a Daughter before he leaves, which yes does in fact mean he and his men were there for at least a year or so. Here in Epic though, since Penelope is so important to who he is as a character, he resists.
Generally it’s noted that he didn’t exactly do it willingly - Hermes said he was required to do so if he or his men would make it out alive so there can be an argument made that he’s loyal in the sense that he’s never willingly done it with someone else besides Penelope
Fun background information for the design of Hermes, and saga music. The singer for Hermes, Troy (yes, his name really _is_ Troy), made his own outfit for Hermes. He has the full fur coat, the animatic version has, and his own sunglasses. That man is _deep_ in his character. This isn’t the Circe Saga. It’s the Hermes Saga. Jay has livestreams where he releases canon visuals and songs. After Odysseus ate the flower, it said “Odysseus begins to glow. POWER UP!” Done For is a battle between Odysseus’ battle/heavy emotions instrument-electric guitar, and Circe’s instruments- strings. As soon as she goes into her “other ways” Odysseus’ guitar is _gone._ Circe has all the control again. When Odysseus pushes her away, Penelope’s theme and instrument- the viola, start playing. This symbolizes his thought process returning back to why he’s on this journey- to get back home. The “12 long years” is an up in the air thing. Jay may have gotten the years of how long they’ve been away mixed up, so now “12 years” is a meme. XD
I swear I've listen Puppeteer a dozen times and the "a woman" and "come inside" bits still crack me up. Well done my dude, well done 😂 ALSO I love Hermes he's sooo fruity and sassy go off Kinggg ❣
Hermes is the god of messengers, thieves and many more! His story is actually hilarious, i suggest you read about it. He had a big role in the odyssey, as he helped Odysseus many times, and guided the dead souls of his men to the underworld. Many think that Hermes helped Odysseus so much because hes his great grandfather!
In the Odyssey Hermes warns Circe about Odysseus, basically he just wants to see chaos and be entertained lol Also Hermes is Odysseus's great grandfather! Also I think he and Circe are exs but this one I'm not 100% sure
The VA for Hermes (Troy Doherty) has really leaned in to his role and has a lot of reels acting as Hermes, complete with the shaded sunglasses and attitude
I think it's fair to say the crew and the winions share the blame lol But objectively, there are also better ways Odysseus could've handled the situation
@@aadityayanamandra8846I concur with the other commentor - people are really quick to find ways to blame Odysseus for a lot of stuff that happens in this telling of the story, but personally for the vast majority of it, to me, he seems to be a victim of bad circumstances or bad actors around him. In “Keep your friends close” specifically though, literally what else could he have done? He warns his men about what the bag is doing and why it can’t be opened, then stays away as long as physically possible to protect it and get them home, only to be betrayed by the person he should be able to trust most (and literally JUST talked to about why he needed his support) the moment his guard slipped.
You should react to some of the cut songs too, they're pretty good. There's "This Is The Way", "Perimedes", "Cope With That", "Elpenor" and many others, these are just my personal favorites. (I will note, you should probably react to Cope With That and Elpenor after the Underworld Saga)
Wait, I remember you! You made a few Danganronpa vídeos that I used to watch when I was obsessed with it! And now you're doing Epic?? I gotta catch up with your reactions
Yeah, im a lot happier with this retelling - or, at least, I think it was handled in a much more digestible way than a CERTAIN character later on. Feels less like Odysseus being forced to do something as much as Circe is just trying to tempt him so she can get the upper hand again, then when it doesn’t work she realises she got the wrong idea about him. So much better than… “Yeah you just gotta bang her” which is just weird for both characters.
Some explanation for Hermes: besides being a messenger of the gods he's also the god of thieves patron of travellers god of invention and guides dead souls to the underworld
Your epic reactions have quickly become some of my favourite. You manage to pick up on so many themes and are really engaging to watch; you elevate my enjoyment of epic! Thank you!
Puppeteer: I love the call and response in this song between Eury and Circe. It makes for an interesting tone for that’s different from most the others. Gigi’s animatic is also just… so gorgeous. I love their design for Circe. That full 360 shot while swapping between characters? So freakin good. Wouldn’t You Like: A very catchy song, and again something we haven’t quite heard from the musical yet. So the reason Hermes’ design has shaded eyes is because his singer is always wearing shades/sunglasses. At least to my understanding. It also just helps give off that trickster vibe where you’re not really sure what he’s after. Also, Hermes is Ody’s great grandfather. So that’s a fun tidbit. Done For: Dude the flow for this song is so good. I love the approach that Circe and Ody want the same thing, to protect the people they care about: Ody with his men and Circe with her nymphs. There Are Other Ways: Ugh, I absolutely love Gigi’s animatic for this song! I love all the little character details they put in. How Circe undoes and re-ties her hair, how she circles Ody, how the nymphs are weary when they see Ody but relax when Circe assures them it’s okay. The way the color palette changes when she mentions the Underworld, and the animation for the smoke, how it’s all sketchy looking. God, I could gush about this animatic forever. Again, I also just love this Circe design. She’s kind of has a lion motif happening. It’s really neat. The little drawing at the end card with Ody missing his wife and Circe just looking so done. It’s so cute and funny. And then about the song itself, that finally riff Talya Sindel (Circe) just belts out is everything to me. On top of them bringing Puppeteer back in? Someone sedate me. Also just how you hear Penelope’s little motif after Ody breaks free of Circe’s spell, letting you know before he says anything how he was able to resist. He just loves his wife so much and for a second there it almost turns into a venting session for Ody in which Circe is just like “what is happening?” But it’s Ody’s loyalty to his wife and the showing that he’s different than the men Circe has dealt with in the past (the ones that are implied to have taken advantage of- to put it lightly - her and her nymphs) that ultimately changes her mind and why she decides to help. I love this saga so much. My favorite of Act 1 for sure.
Don't diss the laugh, it's iconic 😂 Also, Troy, the guy who sings/voice acts for Hermes, is basically possessed by ACTUAL Hermes or might just be him 😂 Check out both his and Jorge's shorts with Hermes. He and Jorge have a lot of fun promoting sagas with the help of "HERMES (and Jay)", a little hilarious series, so I warmly recommend checking that out for funsies. As for Hermes himself, he's actually often very helpful to Greek heroes and is Odysseus' great grandfather! He may be a trickster, but those tricks are mainly aimed at the gods lol The whole situation where Circe turned Odysseus' men into pigs may seem random or preventative here, but in the Odyssey, it was very deserved because they abused her initial hospitality by, you can guess it, acting like pigs. Now, hospitality is a BIG thing in Ancient Greece and there are particular rules around it; breaking those rules could get you in a lot of trouble, even a smiting from Zeus himself since he's the patron of it. In short, if either the host or the guests get wronged, they can demand compensation and Circe is a goddess, the daughter of Helios (as represented in animatics with the yellow glowing eyes), and gods are always so extra with compensation or punishments. But yeah, in the original, it really was very deserved. And Odysseus did sleep with Circe in the Odyssey, Hermes even explictly told him he'd have to if he wanted to save his men and make an ally of her. There's some discorse on how consensual the whole thing was, as well whether Ancient Greeks would even consider it cheating - they wouldn't, btw - but EPIC doesn't adress these topics.
In the source material, Hermes gave Odyssues the Moley, but then went and immediately told circe that Odysseus was coming, which is why she knows that Hermes gave him the Moley. One of my favourite shorts made from done for has Herems peeping n through a window eating popcorn when they show down. Herems is the god of stirring up drama and watching it unfold for his amusement
I think I somehow missed these animatics for Wouldn't You Like and There Are Other Ways, and I look at Epic animatics pretty religiously. Kudos to you, Weeby!
OMG HI I'VE BEEN WATCHING YOUR REACTIONS FOR A WHILE I DIDN'T EXPECT YOU TO REACT TO MY ANIMATIC TY SO MUCH😭😭 Also it's pronounced Lar-eet-tuh meow (i think- idk, english is not my first language😭)you pronounced well the second time haha, and u got the meow part correct it is also because i love cats lmao
THANK YOU SO SO SO SO SO MUCH FOR SHOWING LARITA LOVE AND WATCHING THEIR WOULDNT YOU LIKE ANIMATIC ITS GENUINELY MY FAVORITE OUT OF ALL THE ANIMATICS OUT THERE!
Hermes is a friend to heroes in all of greek myth, Hermes and Athena are often seen in the "background" of the depictions of the heroes of greek myth (most commonly seen in vase paintings of the Herakles and Thesseus myths). Hermes might also have taken a liking to Odysseus because Odysseus is his great-grandson.
My personal recommendations for the underworld saga: The Underworld - TheeArteest No longer you - Ximena Natzel Monster - Gigi Love your vids! Great reaction as always, the Circe Saga is so good ^w^
It makes sense that Circe would have beef with Posideon given what he did to Medusa. Also, at the end of the last song, right when they turn back to men and run out of the palace, there's a drunk guy on the roof. His name is Elpenor and he is the sole casualty on Circe's island.
Hermes just showing up to drop a banger, give the hero a little gift and then dip is honestly so lore accurate lol. Also Jorge always has perfect casting for each character but Hermes is on another level because Troy Doherty just *is* Hermes irl
25:36 we do have one casualty. If you look at the rooftop that is, and when they returned back to the ship they were only two instead of three. Was it Elphenor?
i discovered Epic the musical a while back but never really delved into it until like maybe two days ago. honestly the songs and all the fan work are so good!
In the end Circe did try another way of persuading the danger to her nymphs by giving it something to make it go away on its own showing kindness on her part ment ody would leave her and her nymphs alone and keep them safe
i have been watching ur reactions and as a friend to a theatre nerd myself and someone who enjoys playing in theatres, ur reaction reminded me so much of her, cant wait for u to get to the vengence saga, her fav is get in the water and i cant wait to see which one is ur's
VA shoutout time! Circe is voice by Tayla Sindel, who doesn't make her own music, but she does voice act. Hermes is voiced by TROY, who does make his own music that is actually on the same wavelength of how he sings in "Wouldn't You Like."
Before the Ocean Saga, Gigi made a "there are other ways" video using an early audio clip for the song. it ended on the "Im just a man. forgive me" and until the real song came out, i also thought Ody was going to give in to temptation. I had the exact same reaction you did. 🤣
6:04 "I don't know if she has other powers" Me: well, there are other ways of persuasion, you know? There are other modes of control *cuts to me randomly singing*
Hermes' domain is a lot of things. He's god to travellers and lost people, and also messenger of the gods, able to travel to pretty much anywhere in the world without obstacle
There are other ways is my favorite song in all of epic honestly excited for you to react to the next 4 sagas, and just a hint they get better the farther along you. Also excited to see your reaction to some of my other favs keep up the good work weeby
What I also like about circe is she chose to just turn the men into pigs instead of outright kill them which shows theres something in her that is still a little kind even when shes being ruthless
The reason why Hermes helped Odysseus is more for revenge in a way. Hermes is a god of many things and one of his domains is travelers. Circe would invite travelers in and wind up eating them. The biggest problem was that she wasn't being hospitable to those she brought in. The rules of hospitality comes up a handful of times in Greek myths, notably in the myth of Heracles and Sisyphus. Hermes brandished the cunning warrior, Odysseus, in a way to punish Circe. Odysseus had no real chance of killing Circe. She was a demigod in her own right and a witch on top of that. A persuasion is the only way Odysseus had a chance and for him to have any standing Odysseus had to resist Circe's magic.
Tbf, she basically told him "if you want to save your men, sleep with me." For all he knows, killing her doesn't undo the spell, so she's holding his men's lives in her hands even if he could overpower her 1v1.
fun fact hermes is a distant relative of odysseus, a reaccuring thing in greek myth as kings tend to be somewhat related to a god but far enough where they arent one themself but have divine right in a sense
11:41 Actually, Hermes is one of the few gods that usually offers aid to Greek heroes without expecting much in return. He's a trickster god so he likes helping underdogs. Also, they don't address this in Epic, so this isn't a spoiler but Hermes is actually Odysseus' great grandfather, so he has another reason to help him out here.
Hermes is also a god of travelers, and Odysseus definitely counts as a traveler lmao
All the famous Greek heroes like Perseus, Heracles, Orpheus, to name a few
All had help from Hermes and Athena at some point.
Also, Hermes is Circe's ex. That is another reason Hermes is helping, to mess with his ex.
@@elijahspooner3462 I really wish people would stop spreading that info. Hermes being Circe's ex lover comes from the modern fantasy novel Circe, it does not come from greek mythology.
Let's be honest - if Hermes is one of those olympians who can be trusted relatively safely, then Athena is... Well, not to say that the worst choice, but certainly not the best.
Gigi's depiction of Circe climbing over the couch like a wild animal has not done anything to my brain chemistry, I promise
Cap 🧢 (but same)
well it affected mine without a doubt
my single neuron has been activated
The saying "All Men Are Pigs" is literally derived/inspired from Circe in the Oddysey lmao
fun fact Jorge and Talya Sindel (Voice actor for Circe) are dating!
Which is something that happens between their characters in some of the stories pretty sure they even have a kid
Doesn’t he already have a gf or wife?
@@Fazman009 Nope they are dating and they are adorable
@@TheW1ntersProject so the gf in ALL the shorts is actually Circe the whole time!?
@@Fazman009 yeah they met because of epic.
2:45 “A woman.”
_“What?”_
That bit never fails to be funny! 🤣
"come inside"
"dayum"
Is always hilarious, like Odysseus is just nodding his head like "oh yeah uh huh, yuuup. That would of worked on me too."
THE WHAT SAGA CONTINUES
Brilliant comedic writing lol
"Booby trap? I mean, yeah, I would fall into a trap if I saw boobs." - all of Ody's crew (minus eury)
@@Trojianmarunah,unless it was Penelope
How dare you doubt Hermes the homie. He's one of the few decent gods in Greek mythology.
Our homie Hermes got too much shady energy lol, he's so funny tho
Yeah. Just don’t look up why he’s Odysseus’ great grandfather though.
I have watched like 30 people react to Epic. Not a single one of them trusted Hermes
To be fair, even if Hermes is decent, he also messes with people via trickery/mischief
Hermes is the best homie
Hermes tends to be the helpful benefactor in Greek Mythos, either because another god sends him or by his on will. In this case, since Odysseus is his great grandson, you can say that he is helping family.
Hermes also once dated circe so you can also make a case for him spiteing an Ex hence why she clocks it right away as Hermes giving the molly to Odysseus
@@obliviontheshadowgod6204 that's not actually in the mythology
@@jackierabbit true im pretty sure it's a later addition
I feel like the term family isn’t really fitting knowing almost eveyone is related in some way. Like Poseidon would be his great great grand uncle, and Circe would also be related someway due to Helios.
@@cbctebasrajeb81 I mean they usually care about direct lines, like you never have a Greek god hooking up with their child. Gods usually do help the children and grandchildren of them
"Hermes gives me a sassy 70s musician"
You should watch clips of Troy when he's in character as Hermes 😆
I'm glad someone reacts to the version by laritamiauu, it is my favorite animatic for the song
I have never even seen this one but I can immediately say this one is my absolute favorite now. I'll definitely check the video out and like it after this one
First time seeing that one, and it was amazing, my goodness! :D
It is really good! I’ve also never seen it before but it’s going right into my animatic playlist
@fateha_ it's a pretty recent animatic too!! assuming that she's reacting to the curated animatic playlist, i'm really happy laritamiauu's animatic was the one chosen to replace the other wouldn't you like animatic :DD
@@fooplopI sent her my currated playlist when she did Troy saga. That's the one she's using. I tried to use a couple of lesser known animatics and I love laritamiauu's so much
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I love puppeteer because Eurylochus is repeating what Circe's said,meaning he's the one singing the whole thing
That’s not actually how I interpret it for the last chorus. In the last chorus, I do think current Circe is singing and so Ody just can’t hear her side of it.
@@Gemini-Lion that's what I was thinking too
@@Gemini-Lion that's not what they mean lol. it's a current inside joke in the fandom that eurylochus sings the whole thing and he's just unreasonably good at doing an impression of circe, and ody's ''damn'' is just him being impressed lmao
9:24 her confusion here is amazing cuz it’s hard to notice the hint in Gigi’s animation when you don’t know what’s gonna happen next
These are my recommendations for The Underworld Saga:
The Underworld- Falperio05
No Longer You- Ximena Natzel
Monster- Gigi
Get the tissues ready. To quote Jorge on the saga- “This is where Odysseus goes to get his heart broken! :D”
Definetly Gigi for Monster, It gets me in the feels everytime.
I think in the troy saga she mentions that someone picked these out for her
Also, to quote jorge on this saga, - I am the monster, rawr, rawr, rawr
The playlist she's using that I made has all those except I've got the Underworld by TheeArteest instead
No Longer You may end up being the Gwendy version as I just switched to Ximena the other day and Idk if she's recorded Underworld yet
@@coleedgerly5666 I hope she gets Ximena's. That one made my friend and I appreciate the song even more. The vibes are immaculate. Have you seen Falperio's version of The Underworld?
There was a mistake in there are other ways. He says its been 12 long years but its only been 10 years. Jorge made a video on it and it was so funny when he realized it.
In later songs, it seems like he doubled down on that mistake and was rolling with it. Like, in the Wisdom saga they mention how (after a time jump) it had been 20 years since Ithaca saw him. Even later, they mention that Poseidon meeting Odysseus in Ruthlessness happened 8 years ago at that time.
@@Gemini-Lion I mean what else can he do but double down lol like 12 years literally ruins the entire timeline so why not just fuck with it at this point
@@agatha6999 TL;DR: I was wrong and I was thinking about a since edited lyric.
I actually realized after posting my reply that the "8 years" part was a demo part of the song that was edited to "10 years" for the full release after Mr. Jalapeño realized that timeline wise, it was supposed to be 10.
Her lover doesnt get mentioned again, however the other person in her love triangle does show up later. Wont spoil it for you but I will mention it when you get to it. Great reaction as always!
Ahh yes the one Casper fox simps for lol
And I think the other one is a minor water god
I love the idea that Ody has just enough magic left that his vision of Penelope is an actual illusion Circe can see
It's not mentioned in Epic but Hermes is Odys great grandfather.
In Greek mythology, Hermes is notorious for helping Greek protagonists without asking for anything in return. (He's also Odysseus' grandfather, but this is never brought up in the musical) He's quirky but he's honestly greek mythos' best boi.
TROY DOHERTY BEST SINGER!! HERMES BEST CHAR!
the realization that hermes has an ojousama laugh dealt me psychic damage, i love watching reaction videos (genuine)
He is NOT the best boi. He is a PURE agent of chaos. I am convinced that his entire motivation behind helping Ody is entertainment. His favorite method of entertainment is "what if I gave this mortal who is struggling against the odds a mythological gatling gun so it is less one sided. I bet that would piss the other side off. Lol"
@@nicholasmcmahan-watson9405 Exactly, best boi material.
Hermes is not just the messenger of the gods😭he’s the god of boundaries, roads, travelers, merchants, thieves, athletes, shepherds, commerce, speed, cunning, language, oratory, wit, and messages, he’s one of the olympians and he’s the son of Zeus and Maia. And Apollo’s favourite brother
Psst...you forgot literature:D
@ Really? Well it does fit in with the “language, oratory, wit and messages” part 😂
Fun fact: one of the men (named Elpenor) was not turned into a pig he actually died not by Circe herself but by getting so drunk he fell down and broke his neck no one noticed so they didn’t give him a proper burial
Hermes is one of those characters who will do something for you and expect nothing in return except entertainment he’s also Odysseus great grandfather and Circe’s EX
Did you notice in the flashback there were *four* nymphs but in the present there are now *three* nymphs *also* Odysseus men were not the reason for that it was another group that came before them
I think in the stories for this some of it is debatable whether it was consensual on Odysseus end
So here’s something funny: the creator accidentally made a mathematical error it’s actually still been 10 years not 12 years but by the time the creator had this pointed out and he realized it’s true it was already too late
Fun fact: when Odysseus voice is high like we see him begging to Circe it’s Odysseus showing vulnerability when there are some strains where he’s trying not to let his vulnerability get to him and sometimes failing
He fell off the roof, Gigi included it in the animatic at 25:36 . you could see him drinking wine on the roof on the top right of the screen. before he falls and breaks his neck without anyone noticing him. His name was Elpenor
@@maskedace0510 that is Gigi’s art though
@@area52ron I know, that’s why I said they included it
@@maskedace0510 okay and sorry if I came off wrong
I don’t think you caught this, but right after Odysseus pulls away in ‘There are Other Ways’ with the “I can’t!”, Penelope’s motif plays in the background (the tune he sings her name to every time)
Omggg I have so much to say! First yessss Circe is such a GIRLBOSS! I love her and Gigi's design for her is my fav. Second, Laritamiauu's wouldn't you like is such an underrated animatic and I love their depiction of Hermes so much! I'm glad you watched their vid for this. And lastly yup yup yup you've called it "he's a man" and "he loves Penelope" the two things that Odysseus is!
Loved your reaction to this! ❤❤❤
Yup. Ody is a certified wife guy.
Odysseus is the original wife guy
we stan a faithful king
“Besides my girl Athena, my pure queen” Medusa would like a word… (I say this light heartedly as someone who loves both Athena and Medusa)
As a pure Athena Stan I must protect my queen from this heresy and point out that in Greek mythology Medusa is born a monster and it’s in the Roman version of the myth, by someone who purposefully painted the gods in a worse manner than they are,that she is raped and turned to a monster by Athena.
If you wanted to do someone who has a right to be mad at Athena do Arachne.
@ I have a lot of conflicting feelings after looking this up and seeing that you’re right, she wasn’t depicted that way until a Roman poet basically rewrote an existing monster from what I read on a first search (could still be a pretty big oversimplification, but I hope I’m not too far off). Conflicted mostly because the later origin is one I’ve tried to draw strength from in some really dark moments, but I wish it hadn’t been done in a way that villainizes the gods of a pantheon that the author didn’t worship. I know that there’s a decent amount of overlap and similarities between Roman and Greek mythology, but I definitely haven’t learned enough about it and now have a couple topics to fall down a rabbit hole with! Will definitely be looking up Arachne too, I’ve seen the name and always thought it looked cool, but haven’t ever gotten around to looking into it more thoroughly. Your comment gave me some interesting things to keep my mind busy for a while, so thank you!
Fun Fact: Tayla (Circe’s Voice actor/Singer) and Jay/Jorge are actually dating irl! (THEY ARE THE MOST WHOLESOME, AND CUTEST COUPLE I HAVE SEEN…)
I love that people always doubt Hermes' nature on the song while he even in the myths is basically:
Do it for the lulz! :D
The first thing Hermes ever did was steal the sun God's cows and then pretend he was a clueless baby
He's just a chaos gremlin and he knows it
Well, if we wanna talk Greek mythology, Hermes is the god of trickery and mischief so it's very natural to think he may about to trick Odysseus 😂 but Epic's Hermes is pretty much a nonchalant chaotic popstar lol
Hermes is the messenger of the gods, the patron of travelers, thieves, and merchants, and the guide of the dead to the underworld. He's also to be known as a trickster as well :)
OH MY GOD, YOU A REACTION CHANNEL PICKING UP A NEWER AND A REALLY GREAT ANIMATIC FOR WOULDN'T YOU LIKE THANK YOU SO MUCH
23:12 I'm about to ruin this shot for you. You'll never unsee it.
Penelope has 2 right hands, apparently. 😂
I'm so glad someone else noticed that, it's bothered me for so long, lol
I think Odysseus saying hes just a man is also because hes against a goddess and how can he say no to her for this if it means saving his men, he already used the moly but he still needs to convince her to actually change them back
For the Underworld Saga, I'd really recommend the three animatics from the big playlist by SimonSayzzz.
The Underworld- TheeArteest
No Longer You- Ximena Natzel
Monster- gigi
I don't know if they are the 'best' but I think they really hit the mark in delivering the message of the songs through
The playlist she's using that I made has all those on it
No Longer You may end up being the Gwendy version as I just switched to Ximena the other day and Idk if she's recorded Underworld yet
@coleedgerly5666 Oh! Thanks for the heads up! To be fair, I've seen the Gwendy version, it deserves the love it gets.
So in the actual Odyssey, he does have sex with Circe. They actually have a Daughter before he leaves, which yes does in fact mean he and his men were there for at least a year or so. Here in Epic though, since Penelope is so important to who he is as a character, he resists.
Generally it’s noted that he didn’t exactly do it willingly - Hermes said he was required to do so if he or his men would make it out alive so there can be an argument made that he’s loyal in the sense that he’s never willingly done it with someone else besides Penelope
26:28 Trust me girl, no you do not!! XD
Fun background information for the design of Hermes, and saga music. The singer for Hermes, Troy (yes, his name really _is_ Troy), made his own outfit for Hermes. He has the full fur coat, the animatic version has, and his own sunglasses. That man is _deep_ in his character. This isn’t the Circe Saga. It’s the Hermes Saga.
Jay has livestreams where he releases canon visuals and songs. After Odysseus ate the flower, it said “Odysseus begins to glow. POWER UP!”
Done For is a battle between Odysseus’ battle/heavy emotions instrument-electric guitar, and Circe’s instruments- strings. As soon as she goes into her “other ways” Odysseus’ guitar is _gone._ Circe has all the control again.
When Odysseus pushes her away, Penelope’s theme and instrument- the viola, start playing. This symbolizes his thought process returning back to why he’s on this journey- to get back home.
The “12 long years” is an up in the air thing. Jay may have gotten the years of how long they’ve been away mixed up, so now “12 years” is a meme. XD
I swear I've listen Puppeteer a dozen times and the "a woman" and "come inside" bits still crack me up. Well done my dude, well done 😂
ALSO I love Hermes he's sooo fruity and sassy go off Kinggg ❣
'come inside'
'Damn' 😂
@@milliegoodwin5389 gets a chuckle out of me every time
Hermes is the god of messengers, thieves and many more! His story is actually hilarious, i suggest you read about it. He had a big role in the odyssey, as he helped Odysseus many times, and guided the dead souls of his men to the underworld. Many think that Hermes helped Odysseus so much because hes his great grandfather!
In the Odyssey Hermes warns Circe about Odysseus, basically he just wants to see chaos and be entertained lol
Also Hermes is Odysseus's great grandfather!
Also I think he and Circe are exs but this one I'm not 100% sure
circe and hermes did in fact have a casual bed relationship but i dont think they dated bcos they kinda hated each other's guts lmao
@ive_3101 when I say dating in Greek mythology I mostly mean a fling lol
circe and hermes being lovers isn't in any myth, it's purely a creation of the novel circe by madeline miller
@mayhapslynn I did not know that, thank you
The VA for Hermes (Troy Doherty) has really leaned in to his role and has a lot of reels acting as Hermes, complete with the shaded sunglasses and attitude
Woah woah woah, dont be blaming my boy Ody for what happened in Keep Your Friends Close, he warned the crew and they still opened it
I think it's fair to say the crew and the winions share the blame lol
But objectively, there are also better ways Odysseus could've handled the situation
@@aadityayanamandra8846 like how
@@aadityayanamandra8846I concur with the other commentor - people are really quick to find ways to blame Odysseus for a lot of stuff that happens in this telling of the story, but personally for the vast majority of it, to me, he seems to be a victim of bad circumstances or bad actors around him.
In “Keep your friends close” specifically though, literally what else could he have done? He warns his men about what the bag is doing and why it can’t be opened, then stays away as long as physically possible to protect it and get them home, only to be betrayed by the person he should be able to trust most (and literally JUST talked to about why he needed his support) the moment his guard slipped.
Oh boy hope you’re ready for the Underworld saga next.
Whenever you finally get to No Longer You, turn off the subtitles.. It'll likely contain spoilers for future sagas
HERMES IS IN THIS SAGA‼️
HERMES IS IN THIS SAGA‼️
HERMES IS IN THIS SAGA‼️
(He is my favorite character😭🤍)
You should react to some of the cut songs too, they're pretty good.
There's "This Is The Way", "Perimedes", "Cope With That", "Elpenor" and many others, these are just my personal favorites. (I will note, you should probably react to Cope With That and Elpenor after the Underworld Saga)
Hermes tends to be the Greek god most likely to help heros just for the sake of it. Hes in it for the vibes
o7, Elpenor on the roof. Remember the number 43 men that Poseidon mentioned going into the next saga XD
Hermes is Grandfather of Anticlea, the mother of Odysseus
"Not hermes becoming my favourite character with just one song" - the entire fandom
Wait, I remember you! You made a few Danganronpa vídeos that I used to watch when I was obsessed with it! And now you're doing Epic?? I gotta catch up with your reactions
Perfect timing for this to come out. Love your content and love epic. A perfect combo.
so fun fact throughout epic the creator brings in family and those he knows to help do characters and circe is done by his girlfirend
She wasn't his girlfriend before Epic - they met because she auditioned for Zeus, and later Circe, and they fell in love during the recording process.
Fun fact: Circe is voiced by jorges (Odysseus) girlfriend
In the underworld the souls sing their last thoughts, just as a head start ;)
"There a re other ways" always hits hard, in the original myth, Odysseus is sexually abused by Circe so that she free his men and let them go home.
Yeah, im a lot happier with this retelling - or, at least, I think it was handled in a much more digestible way than a CERTAIN character later on.
Feels less like Odysseus being forced to do something as much as Circe is just trying to tempt him so she can get the upper hand again, then when it doesn’t work she realises she got the wrong idea about him. So much better than… “Yeah you just gotta bang her” which is just weird for both characters.
I swear every animatic I've seen, draws Circe so Pretty! 😭❤
Hermes just likes to give mortals ridiculously powerful stuff for the sole purpose of seeing what happens. He's chill like that.
Some explanation for Hermes: besides being a messenger of the gods he's also the god of thieves patron of travellers god of invention and guides dead souls to the underworld
1:06 “hey Eurylochus survived! That’s good!”
Is it though?
Your epic reactions have quickly become some of my favourite. You manage to pick up on so many themes and are really engaging to watch; you elevate my enjoyment of epic! Thank you!
Finally I’ve been waiting
Your videos make me so happy
Hermes is odysseus' great grandpa, so he prolly just wants to help him for that reason
Puppeteer:
I love the call and response in this song between Eury and Circe. It makes for an interesting tone for that’s different from most the others. Gigi’s animatic is also just… so gorgeous. I love their design for Circe. That full 360 shot while swapping between characters? So freakin good.
Wouldn’t You Like:
A very catchy song, and again something we haven’t quite heard from the musical yet.
So the reason Hermes’ design has shaded eyes is because his singer is always wearing shades/sunglasses. At least to my understanding. It also just helps give off that trickster vibe where you’re not really sure what he’s after.
Also, Hermes is Ody’s great grandfather. So that’s a fun tidbit.
Done For:
Dude the flow for this song is so good. I love the approach that Circe and Ody want the same thing, to protect the people they care about: Ody with his men and Circe with her nymphs.
There Are Other Ways:
Ugh, I absolutely love Gigi’s animatic for this song! I love all the little character details they put in. How Circe undoes and re-ties her hair, how she circles Ody, how the nymphs are weary when they see Ody but relax when Circe assures them it’s okay. The way the color palette changes when she mentions the Underworld, and the animation for the smoke, how it’s all sketchy looking. God, I could gush about this animatic forever.
Again, I also just love this Circe design. She’s kind of has a lion motif happening. It’s really neat.
The little drawing at the end card with Ody missing his wife and Circe just looking so done. It’s so cute and funny.
And then about the song itself, that finally riff Talya Sindel (Circe) just belts out is everything to me. On top of them bringing Puppeteer back in? Someone sedate me.
Also just how you hear Penelope’s little motif after Ody breaks free of Circe’s spell, letting you know before he says anything how he was able to resist. He just loves his wife so much and for a second there it almost turns into a venting session for Ody in which Circe is just like “what is happening?” But it’s Ody’s loyalty to his wife and the showing that he’s different than the men Circe has dealt with in the past (the ones that are implied to have taken advantage of- to put it lightly - her and her nymphs) that ultimately changes her mind and why she decides to help.
I love this saga so much. My favorite of Act 1 for sure.
Don't diss the laugh, it's iconic 😂
Also, Troy, the guy who sings/voice acts for Hermes, is basically possessed by ACTUAL Hermes or might just be him 😂 Check out both his and Jorge's shorts with Hermes. He and Jorge have a lot of fun promoting sagas with the help of "HERMES (and Jay)", a little hilarious series, so I warmly recommend checking that out for funsies.
As for Hermes himself, he's actually often very helpful to Greek heroes and is Odysseus' great grandfather! He may be a trickster, but those tricks are mainly aimed at the gods lol
The whole situation where Circe turned Odysseus' men into pigs may seem random or preventative here, but in the Odyssey, it was very deserved because they abused her initial hospitality by, you can guess it, acting like pigs. Now, hospitality is a BIG thing in Ancient Greece and there are particular rules around it; breaking those rules could get you in a lot of trouble, even a smiting from Zeus himself since he's the patron of it. In short, if either the host or the guests get wronged, they can demand compensation and Circe is a goddess, the daughter of Helios (as represented in animatics with the yellow glowing eyes), and gods are always so extra with compensation or punishments. But yeah, in the original, it really was very deserved.
And Odysseus did sleep with Circe in the Odyssey, Hermes even explictly told him he'd have to if he wanted to save his men and make an ally of her. There's some discorse on how consensual the whole thing was, as well whether Ancient Greeks would even consider it cheating - they wouldn't, btw - but EPIC doesn't adress these topics.
In the source material, Hermes gave Odyssues the Moley, but then went and immediately told circe that Odysseus was coming, which is why she knows that Hermes gave him the Moley. One of my favourite shorts made from done for has Herems peeping n through a window eating popcorn when they show down. Herems is the god of stirring up drama and watching it unfold for his amusement
I think I somehow missed these animatics for Wouldn't You Like and There Are Other Ways, and I look at Epic animatics pretty religiously. Kudos to you, Weeby!
OMG HI I'VE BEEN WATCHING YOUR REACTIONS FOR A WHILE I DIDN'T EXPECT YOU TO REACT TO MY ANIMATIC TY SO MUCH😭😭
Also it's pronounced Lar-eet-tuh meow (i think- idk, english is not my first language😭)you pronounced well the second time haha, and u got the meow part correct it is also because i love cats lmao
I love how everyone who watches this song immediately mistrusts Hermes cuz the only other good god is Athena lol
THANK YOU SO SO SO SO SO MUCH FOR SHOWING LARITA LOVE AND WATCHING THEIR WOULDNT YOU LIKE ANIMATIC
ITS GENUINELY MY FAVORITE OUT OF ALL THE ANIMATICS OUT THERE!
Hermes is both a god himself and messenger of the gods. He's the god of trade, wealth, trickery, travel, etc
Hermes is a friend to heroes in all of greek myth, Hermes and Athena are often seen in the "background" of the depictions of the heroes of greek myth (most commonly seen in vase paintings of the Herakles and Thesseus myths).
Hermes might also have taken a liking to Odysseus because Odysseus is his great-grandson.
My personal recommendations for the underworld saga:
The Underworld - TheeArteest
No longer you - Ximena Natzel
Monster - Gigi
Love your vids! Great reaction as always, the Circe Saga is so good ^w^
Surprised you didn't notice that Ody's idea of an ultimate fearsome monster was a cyclops. Heartbreaking
It makes sense that Circe would have beef with Posideon given what he did to Medusa. Also, at the end of the last song, right when they turn back to men and run out of the palace, there's a drunk guy on the roof. His name is Elpenor and he is the sole casualty on Circe's island.
Hermes just showing up to drop a banger, give the hero a little gift and then dip is honestly so lore accurate lol. Also Jorge always has perfect casting for each character but Hermes is on another level because Troy Doherty just *is* Hermes irl
25:36 we do have one casualty. If you look at the rooftop that is, and when they returned back to the ship they were only two instead of three. Was it Elphenor?
i discovered Epic the musical a while back but never really delved into it until like maybe two days ago. honestly the songs and all the fan work are so good!
Not much of a girlboss when she turned another women into a monster because she was jealous. Look up Scylla
In the end Circe did try another way of persuading the danger to her nymphs by giving it something to make it go away on its own showing kindness on her part ment ody would leave her and her nymphs alone and keep them safe
i have been watching ur reactions and as a friend to a theatre nerd myself and someone who enjoys playing in theatres, ur reaction reminded me so much of her, cant wait for u to get to the vengence saga, her fav is get in the water and i cant wait to see which one is ur's
VA shoutout time! Circe is voice by Tayla Sindel, who doesn't make her own music, but she does voice act.
Hermes is voiced by TROY, who does make his own music that is actually on the same wavelength of how he sings in "Wouldn't You Like."
I haven't seen that version of Wouldn't You Like before! So that's fun!! And I LOVE how hype you get 'NAUR ODY!!' xD I love your energy
Before the Ocean Saga, Gigi made a "there are other ways" video using an early audio clip for the song. it ended on the "Im just a man. forgive me" and until the real song came out, i also thought Ody was going to give in to temptation. I had the exact same reaction you did. 🤣
hermes is odys grandfather plus hes just chill so no strings attached
6:04 "I don't know if she has other powers"
Me: well, there are other ways of persuasion, you know? There are other modes of control *cuts to me randomly singing*
12:02 fun fact!! If you hear a piano in the background, it means Athena is watching. It's her main instrument in the musical!
Hermes is so nice to his great grandson
Hermes' domain is a lot of things. He's god to travellers and lost people, and also messenger of the gods, able to travel to pretty much anywhere in the world without obstacle
There are other ways is my favorite song in all of epic honestly excited for you to react to the next 4 sagas, and just a hint they get better the farther along you. Also excited to see your reaction to some of my other favs keep up the good work weeby
"It's been a while since we've had a happy ending." ... And surely it'll remain that way for many sagas to come...😬
Another great reaction video. Seeing your reactions to epic is honestly so much fun compared to the others I've seen. Can't wait for the next one!
What I also like about circe is she chose to just turn the men into pigs instead of outright kill them which shows theres something in her that is still a little kind even when shes being ruthless
Imagine your great grandad descents from the heavens, gives you weed then tells you to go fight the president. There you have "Wouldn't you like"
The reason why Hermes helped Odysseus is more for revenge in a way. Hermes is a god of many things and one of his domains is travelers. Circe would invite travelers in and wind up eating them. The biggest problem was that she wasn't being hospitable to those she brought in. The rules of hospitality comes up a handful of times in Greek myths, notably in the myth of Heracles and Sisyphus. Hermes brandished the cunning warrior, Odysseus, in a way to punish Circe. Odysseus had no real chance of killing Circe. She was a demigod in her own right and a witch on top of that. A persuasion is the only way Odysseus had a chance and for him to have any standing Odysseus had to resist Circe's magic.
6:41 Kitty! 😃
Tbf, she basically told him "if you want to save your men, sleep with me." For all he knows, killing her doesn't undo the spell, so she's holding his men's lives in her hands even if he could overpower her 1v1.
fun fact hermes is a distant relative of odysseus, a reaccuring thing in greek myth as kings tend to be somewhat related to a god but far enough where they arent one themself but have divine right in a sense
The thing about Circe is that she also has a beef with Poseidon. You know... The last time she she let a stranger live... Its a whole thing
Wouldn’t you like has a price, his entertainment he enjoyed seeing ody confronting Circe
There’s a diffrent animation or “wouldn’t you like” that’s HILARIOUS because the whole time hermes is flirting with odysseyus 😂
Tray (Hermes' voice) is just like that, he makes songs on yt too and they're all fantastic!
Highly reccomend checking out Troy’s (Hermes’s) social media and some of his personal music. He’s a phenomenal singer and really funny 💖✨