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Multiple Friends Knew About A Murder?! | The Tragic Story of Carmen Thomas
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Multiple Friends Knew About A Murder?! | The Tragic Story of Carmen Thomas
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Does Annie ever stop? I’m always looking for the next video and BOOM Annie comes through, non-stop. Love it!!!
She's AMAZING 🤩
Yes
@@flowerchild89isn't she though!? ❤❤
gotta get that money
She mentioned a few days ago she's gonna be pushing out mad content. Love it.
My friends and I have had this convo before in jest. I told them... I love you but brother if you tell me you killed someone, I'm immediately snitching. DO NOT come to me for help, you will go to prison 😂
I said the same thing to my brother and he kind of was salty about it 😂😂😂
I have a crazy story. I met a guy online and after a few dates he confessed to me that he'd murdered his step father over twenty years earlier when he was eighteen years old. He said that other than his counselor I was the only other person he'd ever told. He told me that his mom had moved him and his little sister in with the man when they were nine and seven years old and he immediately started SA them. He would make them have sex with each other as well as perform oral on each other while he watched. He said that he would also SA him on a regular basis. When he was 14 he went to live with his father. When he turned eighteen he lured the man out into the country and murdered him. He hid his body and took all of his teeth with him and dumped them into a lake two hours away. The only person who missed the guy was my friends mom but she thought he'd just ran off on her. He told me that he had felt guilty all these years and was thinking of confessing. I told him that I was sorry this had happened to him but he'd done the world a favour.
😂 I’d be the same way. I literally cannot imagine involving myself or keeping quiet about something like this.
And tell them to not come after you too
@@realcanadiangirl64I’m thinking you should probably delete your comment if it’s true. Sounds like the man deserved it but you don’t want to be the reason your friend goes to jail…
OMG! 13 YEARS IS AN INSULT TO HER AND HER FAMILY. UNBELIEVABLE
The US gives that sentence for drugs. Make it make sense.
Nz is the worst for sentencing!!
@@Eleas967 and they'll give him a new identity when he gets out like nothing ever happened.
@@bees.857 US is pretty alone in giving long sentences in the 'western world', most countries give 12-15 for premeditated murder even with more than one victim, and absolute maximum sentence is called 'life' but never exceeds 18yrs. Also, parole is almost always mandatory and unless there are extraordinary reasons it is first considered after 1/3 or 1/2 of time served. There are exceptions where people serve longer, but they have to commit serious offenses while in jail to not automatically get parole at 2/3 time served.
Life sentences aren't really a thing here unfortunately. Most murderers get max 20-25 yrs.
The end of this triggered me so much!
The police told me the man who r*ped me wouldn’t be charged because he was smart, well dressed, good job and had a good future.
This case is so fucked up 😭
Oh fuck that for a joke! Sorry that happened to you sister, I hope you have managed to let it make you stronger and your living a great life now ❤
@hannahlc90 That is beyond insulting! And should be reported to someone maybe the mayor, newspapers, governor 🤔
The police that told you that should be fired! This infuriates me!
The sentencing in some of these countries is a slap in the face to the victims and their families. The dead ppl get no 2nd chance. The murderers shouldn’t get one either!
The sentencing and the judicial system here in Australia is disgraceful..
we’d much rather America’s system over out … life 4 a life I say
Yes I live in New Zealand and it is a slap on the wrist it is disgusting totally agree!
Seems to me it's not "some countries," but a world-wide trend. Apparently, lives of murderers and rapists count more than lives of their victims :((((((((((((((((((((
@@KiwikimNZeven
less in switzerland😢
@@sunnalee287funny how we have WAY less crime in Switzerland
It really bothers me when judges say stuff like that "smart guy with a bright future..."
This person literally killed someone and went through all of that bullshit to hide what he did.. that is NOT A GOOD PERSON.. It's absolutely insane.
@@user-ChristinaKananiipo yeah, what about the victims!?!? 😡
smart guy with a bright future doesn't mean good, often people assume the best of everyone at all times, which often is a good thing but not always. Judges say dumb stuff at times, seeing a lot of bad people day in day out sometimes gives them a strange perspective - I used to know a judge, great person but she did have a somewhat unusually forgiving nature so to speak.
And clearly NOT smart
it just means they have brains that could’ve been put to good use and gotten them far, that’s not the same as calling them a good person. basically saying, you had the ability to be great but you threw it all away because you suck.
That psycho chopped up the body of his sons mother. I don't want to know what kind of future he'll have if they let him out.
The fact that he was able to get away with murder for as long as he did and would have never confessed if he hadn’t been caught proves he SHOULDNT be paroled!! Smart people can easily manipulate and that’s what he’s doing
Agreed!
@@2nicnag2 The DP needs to be given , an eye for an eye.
He want very smart though, couldn’t keep his mouth shut or figure out how to text like her
Him googling things way before he committed the murder makes me believe he’s wanted to do that for a long time.
13 years for a parole hearing is incomprehensible. So sorry for her son & family.
@@wendywonnell9020 oh wow 😳
Unfortunately they give really light sentences for most offenders in NZ 😒👎🏻 (and a life sentence is 10yrs here, which I don’t think is long enough 😒)
He appeared in front of the parole board June 2024. He’s still in prison. Due to reappear in June 2025. So thankfully he’s still incarcerated.
😂8,8❤
Yup NZ system sucks! My friend was murder 12years ago this week. Her daughter was 3 years old when he left her in the same room. He is now able to apply for parole 😡
I definitely think there is more to Brad's actions than meets the eye. He behaved completely suspiciously, and he got off WAY too easy! "He has a promising future ahead of him"..."he's smart". ??? WHAT?!?! What about Carmen's future? What about her intelligence? What about their poor, traumatized little boy, Jack? That judge has absolutely lost his moral compass & his mind!
I find it so odd he was researching murder months before she died.. definitely seems like it was premeditated.
Remorse should NEVER be used for a lighter sentence because it’s subjective and easy to fake, being remorseful DOESN’T CHANGE what the person did!!!
As a sociopath I can say you are 10000000% right! I can make people believe I have emotions because I’ve had to fake it my whole life! If you look at me when I’m concentrating (like I am now typing) is the only time you see my eyes contain nothing but death!
Sociopaths do have emotions. Psychopaths do not have emotions. Ted Bundy was a sociopath.
It’s NZ they are light in crime. Unless you are defending yourself. Then they throw the book.
He's not sorry he did it - he's sorry he got caught!! Now his son lost both parents!! That's the saddest part of the whole thing!! Poor Jack - to have to live with the knowledge that his dad killed his mom!! He's going to need therapy for sure!
I don't think remorse should factor in when someone quite literally chops up their victim. That takes some kind of monster.
Wow! 13 years? This guy chopped up a person. That… is not “normal”. The judge made poor judgement in this case.
Craziest sentencing ever!!! Dude bludgeons his child’s mother w a baseball bat, drives around with the deceased for days on end, dismembers the body, hides the pieces in plastic bins, buries the bins in a bunch of holes in the ground …. Judge says, “This young man has a bright future - possible parole in 13 years.” Unbelievable.
Right. What about her bright future!
It seems like in England people serve MUCH less time for murder than in The US. I can’t understand it. Like 15-20 years they get another shot at life. Which, imo is just long enough to REALLY mess their already twisted minds up and make them even more dangerous. I can’t understand it.
I am always stunned at how light the sentences are in other free countries.
I call it White Boy magic
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Who needs enemies when people like Brad has friends like that? Any normal person would call the police with that knowledge.
I wasn't surprised when they all started coming forward. They realized the police were closing in.
And that's the only reason they came forward. I know nobody would EVER ask me for help cleaning up a murder scene!
Also have to add, it's MORBIDLY funny the one friend forgot some of the supplies asked for, so that's why he's at least on video buying them...
While looking angry 😂 -- yeah, you got dumb friends and as horrible people as they are, they'll only do so much for you! Both not remembering the shopping list plus rolling on covering up for you. Ha HA.
@@JW-vd4il'Sorry, buddy. I forgot the trash bags for your murder clean up thingy'
The boat friend helped move the buckets and then hung out with him again like... WHAT. He put you in the situation where you have a chopped up body on your boat and you STILL WANT TO HANG OUT?!
If someone told you that they murdered someone, wouldn't you IMMEDIATELY call the police?? I would leave the person (just to be extra careful - because of they killed someone they might kill you too!!), and CALL THE POLICE!! I wouldn't keep it a secret and even be accessories to disposing the body!! These "friends" were friends until they decided to turn him in - then, all of a sudden, they weren't his friends. But the fact that they knew all that time and never said a word to the police, they might be considered "accessories after the fact" (at least here in the US!)!
@@bees.857😂😂😂
I call complete bs on her saying Brad wasn't Jack's father. Brad clearly tried to think of something Carmen could have said that could come anywhere near to justifying a murder. He's just a sociopath.
All they had to do was a DNA test and still don't justify what he did he is a monster!
He had been googling questions about getting away with murder for a year. He didn't just snap because she said something. If she even said it at all (and that's a big if) he was already looking for a reason. More likely he decided that story would earn him the most sympathy. Clearly it worked on the judge.
Whenever an ex goes to Walmart or hardware store to buy garbage bags and cleaning supplies after a disappearance might as well be an admission of guilt.
What men do that anyway😅 out of character for sure. If u see my ex getting anything cleaning u know I’m a gonner😂
@@brittanyn5415 fr he never cleaned a thing 😭Ikno I’m done for
@@brittanyn5415literally just SS this comment to send to my husband 😂 man ain’t been to the grocery store in 10 years so if he’s on camera buying cleaning supplies and I’m missing somebody better turn him in STAT.
I think this judge DOES NOT need to be a judge anymore.
It should be a universal law that anyone aware of a murder or a missing person who does not immediately go to police gets a mandatory sentence
In the US, there is such a law. It’s misprision of a felony, punishable by up to 3 years in prison and/ir a $250k fine
Yes, absolutely!
AGREE!🙏🏻❤️🇨🇦
It is here in the US. My ex friend witnessed a murder of a taxi driver & didn't tell ,got 3 years in prison, felony murder.
It freaks me out how NEXT LEVEL it is that these murderers dismember their victims. That's absolute psychopathic behaviour. 🤢
I think the sentence should be longer if you actually dismember a person. Truly horrifying. 🤯
Ain’t no wayyyy that Carmen said “well you’re not even the father anyway” or whatever he claimed. That’s ridiculous. He was sick of having to co parent and probably wanted to live his happy little life with his new girlfriend.
I listen to a ton of these co-parenting dramas...not that end in murder but real dramatic ones and the new girlfriend is usually the one that wants to take over and create the new family.... So yeah, he just wanted to make his new girl happy and have a nice little life.... Makes me sick that people think they can commit murder and then just move on like nothing happened.... Hope he gets what he deserves from the strong arm of prison justice...
I thought the same especially knowing that she moved to NZ just so her son could be near his father
Exactly 💯
Right, and thinks this sounds like a great reason for murder?
You are correct. I have a 10yr old son and have coparented well with his father up until about 3 years ago when his new girlfriend showed up. Now even our usual pick up and drop offs are sometimes a nightmare. Ive spent thousands in lawyers fees all because his girlfriend has some serious insecurities and issues. I was hoping he'd break up with her after about two years (that was his usual relationship life limit), but she's still around 😒 and she's just gotten worse. I really hope i dont end up murdered....@amimachovsky-jesussaves8042
That fact that Brad had been searching the internet long before the actual murder should be evidence enough that it was premeditated murder period. 🧐😯🤔😒
UGH!!!! These monsters getting a slap on their hand because "they have a bright future" is INFURIATING 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 Like the victim isn't worthy to have their own bright future, so, it's fine that it's literally taken away!
Thanks Annie 💜 the judge said whatttt?? That is CRAzy - this monster murdered and dismembered someone- his son's mum - and he is smart with a bright future ahead of him - something is seriously wrong with the justice system in New Zealand if you can do what he did and still have a bright future ahead of you. Xxx
Canada has the same "justice" system. It's because of our ultra liberal governments
I will never understand how murdering someone becomes the answer. And to think for one minute you can get away with it? So risky, and getting harder to accomplish every day. Poor Jack. He is the long living victim of this.
@@cyndit9208 I know! They usually end being caught and don't they worry about going to hell?!?!?
@@flowerchild89 because it's not real. Grow up. 🙄🙄🙄
@markysumm72
Since every culture, every century has known there is a hell and interacts with spirits, it’s you that has to grow up. YOU are not smarter than billions of people who knew from the beginning of time. Obviously, evil exists... You’re watching a murder podcast. Get over yourself 🔥
Right?! It's bad enough that they are sick enough to have the desire, but you are literally risking it all. Just blows my mind.
I’ve gotta shut my eyes for a while
RIP Carmen💐 I hope her son Jack will be able to find peace, and has support and love. My heart breaks for him.
I can't believe 4 guys didn't call the police. Maybe they were scared he would retaliate. They could have called in an anonymous tip or sent a letter, until he was arrested. Didn't they realize they put themselves & their families at risk? Brad might have regretted telling them & come by their houses at night. If it was me, I would have gone straight to the police station. Then ask for protection. Unbelievable!
Right? If anyone near those 4 ‘friends’ goes missing, I would know where to look. Imagine being partnered with one of those guys, knowing that if something happened to you, their friends would help bury you.
That’s a lot of NZ men, unfortunately…
people act so shady
Exactly!!!
Buying cleaning supplies and trash bags is the repeat behavioural kink the gets murderers caught out.
I hope that Jack is doing OK. I can't imagine how traumatic all this is.
I'm sure the boys on the cell block are making him feel at home. If it's anything like a US prison.
I hope her son is doing well. I will never understand the parents that choose to leave their child parentless like this. Do they just assume they'll get away with it? I just feel so sorry for all of the kids who experience the murder + prison parent combo
I see it as premeditated; he's an known liar, first saying he had nothing to do w/the murder. Searching the internet a year before. Knowing and admitting to friends he did commit the crime; either the death penalty, or life without parole. Need to get tough as a precedent for others to think twice before such actions.
i just love how you narrate the videos, how detailed you are and the fact that you seem like you actually care about these poor victums has made you my fav true crime person!
Ooooo a NZ case !! Remember when this happened. A few people defend Brad's actions on Reddit. Pretty disgusting really.
Just curious, what did they say to defend it?? This is crazy to me
There’s definitely more to us than we actually know Annie! What a sad sad story this is! Poor Jack they didn’t want him to grow up in a broken home but now he’s growing up without his mother and his father is a murderer!
The UK/Canada/Australia/New Zealand never punish murderers adequately… I knew before Annie even announced his sentence that it would be a joke
BORN LIAR: even charming the judge. Judge is pathetic!
Evil man. He wanted to move on and have full custody of his child himself. Selfish and greedy!
HE DOESN'T LOVE HIS SON.
You'd never deprive him of his natural mother.
Hope Jack grows up and wants NOTHING to do with him!
Great video ❤🇬🇧
And people still defend Brad!!!!!!!! Ugh 😡 Carmen did everything. Giving up all her goals and life to make the sacrifices for her son.
He killed her because she didn't agree with him about putting her son in a different school?? Seriously?? He obviously has some anger issues! And his sentence should have been life WITHOUT THE POSSIBLITY OF PAROLE!! Jack WILL NEVER HAVE A NORMAL LIFE - HE HAS TO LIVE WITH THE FACT THAT HIS DAD KILLED HIS MOM!! He's going to need therapy for a long time!
She should've stayed in London.
@@mariahillenbrand8396he k*lled her because she said his son wasn't his.
I cannot believe all the content you have been coming out with even during your vacation! Thank you so much for thinking of us and the victims so much and keeping us informed about these things! God bless ya!❤
What a suspicious circle of friends that kept such a horrific secret. I am surprised that Brad didn't even try to kill them off to keep them quiet 🤔
This is sickening 😡 took her from her baby, family and those who loved and cared for her. And talked about it. I think he is a horrible person and he harbored hate for her. And of course pretended that everything was ok. I don't know if he wanted to continue to be with her and she dismissed him. And it hurt his fragile ego🤷. I think Police should charge everyone he told and didn't come forward. And the judge sounds really foolish in my humble opinion. May her family be blessed with ease and her son be able to live a full and fruitful life.
Isolation is a red flag.
This is a horrific crime where the punishment definitely did not fit the crime.
How does someone get away with dismembering a corpse, hiding what they did, and enlisting multiple friends who also have no conscience about even reporting it to authorities?
It's good to know that the murderous criminal has a bright future ahead of him. Everyone should rest easy knowing he's going to be okay.
This was not justice. Not even a little.
I live in the uk and the sentences that are given is appalling, he should never get out of prison , he murdered someone and bloody dismembered her in my eyes he’s a monster
I switched videos so quick btw 😂😂😂 took 40sec to realize you uploaded😂
Me too 😅
Ha!! Same here!!😊
Same 😅
@@ellenoniell8093 lmao I love who I was watching but is Annie over everybody 🤣🤣
@@Katelyne937 we were probably watching the same person 🤣🤣🤣 she also had a new upload but then I saw Annie I was like oh I'm sorry I got to go
Notice to self: if trying to cover tracks by texting their friends, look at their older messages to get their typing style down
We love you so much, Annie!🥰 I did the math, and over 3 people a second have clicked on your video!❤️
A few minutes in and I already know where this is going… same story on repeat in all these cases
It's always shocking though- loving someone once, but then dismembering their bodies to try and get away with brutally murdering them.
@@tanyaedwards4574 did he love her though? Ever?
Thank you for doing Carmen's case please do more New Zealand cases we have plenty that need to be shared
Such a sicko! Poor Jack, let's hope he is now surrounded with love and positive people. Love you Annie, from Wales U.K 🏴
That's insane. He should not be able to get out at all. He truly is a monster. There is always a way to co parent together. Killing someone is never the answer. Prayers for her son and family. I'm glad he's with his grandma. RIP beautiful angel 😇❤
That is a horrible sentence. I think things built up between them and he started planning this, to an extent. He obviously didn’t plan well as he had to go to the store to pick up so,e items. I am so sorry to see these cases where a good mom is killed, leaving behind a young son. Thank you, Annie, for doing the research on these cases.
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Please cover the Aubreigh Wyatt case! Her mother has been silenced and needs us to rally around her!
She did on headline highlights today!!!
@gny512 is that on UA-cam, IG or just spotify/podcast?
@@gny512just found it on Spotify! Thank you soooo much
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I definitely think there was more to brads motive, maybe he still wanted to have a relationship with her idk. Either way there’s more to the story and I hope he doesn’t get parole!
To the judge who believed his smart but not smart enough to get rid of her body only smart enough to talk his way out of it.
The judge has told the world if you want to kill somebody, come to New Zealand and we’ll go light on you. He has shown no respect to Carmen. And to the friends that knew, that seen what he did society should turn their back on them.😡
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Why do people ask others for help hiding a body!? I find that SO weird. Poor girl 😭💔
Hey, my favorite true crime Podcaster. I will always say this everything I am one of the first people hoping you see this. Annie, you are truly a BOSS. Not only putting out the most accurate and detailed information but giving us more and more content as to where some people can barely do a 20 minute deep dive. They let success get into their head. You are the BOSS bc of ur hard working, having a husband, kid's, home, etc to take care of and ur on point with business. I hope you are proud of how far you have come. You deserve all of the best life offers.. 💓 we love you!! 🎉🎉
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A parent doesn’t love their kid if they kill the other parent
It blows my mind how the murderer becomes the victim and he only received life w eligibility of being released in 13yrs. Make it make sense! Great job Annie,, see u on the nxt one...#5150 #AE💯💫🖤
Poor Jack! Hopefully he doesn’t feel like it’s fault since the “fight” was about the school issues and his bat was the murder weapon. 😢
"How to commit a perfect murder?"
NEVER GOGGLE IT 😅
Or shop at the hardware store for supplies!🤦🏼♀️
It's sickening that a murderer only received 13 years for taking someone's life. He should be locked up the rest of his life .
Unfortunately this is what happens in countries other than America
@@cassandraclapp6667 Life doesn’t mean life in America either. Depending on the state and the degree of murder, you could be eligible for parole in 15 years in some states.
He was sentenced to life with a possibility of parole after 13 years. I agree that it’s too low. But it also, hopefully, doesn’t mean he’s out in exactly 13 years. He’s still in prison today.
I'm from New Zealand not proudly after hearing this .. I hate our justice system the max sentence Ive ever heard of for any murder is 20 years they cant keep you in prison for longer than 25 years at once.. it's shocking . Keep up the good work you do Ur channel is my go to crime channel 😊❤🇳🇿
Same as us here in UK, its such a slap in the face to family, x
@@leannebalmer5184the UK has longer sentences than 25 years. It may be rare, but they do have out life sentences without parole.
We do have life long sentences here, the mosque killer will never be released.
We do have preventive detention here but it's not used much.
Our justice system is a disgrace.
The 25yrs max is incorrect. Our longest serving prisoner has been locked up since 1968 & been getting denied parole for about 40 yrs i believe. The chc mosque shooter however is our only prisoner who has life without the possibility of parole. But yes, overall our justice system is weak & disturbing!
@@keztukariri very rarely and they would of been a high risk offender and charged with multiple very violent offences I go out with someone whos spent 17 out of 20 years in prison he agrees it's pretty rare they'll normally get out for a short amount of time weather that's a electronic monitoring or whatever but yeah
Was it ever determined if Brad was actually Jack's biological father or not? With him using that as an excuse for him losing it, you would think they would perform a DNA test?
I just have to say, Annie, your show is FAR superior to any other shows!! Like they don’t even compare or come close! Thank you 🙏🏻 and stay safe always.
One love
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Omg has nothing to do with this case - Annie you have to look into the updates about Alexee Travizo!!
Seriously how on earth does Annie find the time ? I think this channel posts more consistently than any other channel I know
She has a team of writers and researchers
Thank you Annie for everything you do I've never heard this case 😢😢
We've never heard of it becasue she wasn't really a Saffer by the time she was killed. 🤔
Brad, an engineer, thought he was smarter than everyone else, could easily outsmart police, and get away with murder. The only benefit his failed murder cover up is going to get him is a new career, serving a lifetime as a male escort, inside his prison!
Awww a south African....i dont recall hearing this story. Hi from south Africa 🇿🇦
Fellow South African here I wonder why we never heard of this case as a country. 😢
What he show generous remorse!!!! Whats wring with that judge head !!!! This murderer deserve life without parole. There was so many evidence. Im so disgusted with the court system. Rip Carmen , and hope jack is doing ok
Im a kiwi and have never heard of this case….it‘s so bizarre. Our system is way too lenient here in NZ. This is sad and sickening:(
Your productivity, consistency and broadcasting is unmatched
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Annie Elise, you should cover the story of George Vela. He was murdered, his gf was the culprit, well the organizer rather. I heard of it in the news but they didn't give us, the public, too much information. Would you be able to give us more information? This happened in Mableton, Georgia in 2020.
The man who murdered and dismembered Auckland mum Carmen Thomas before burying her remains - interred in concrete-filled plastic containers - in the Waitākere Ranges has appeared before the Parole Board for the first time in June 2024
There, Bradford James Joseph Callaghan opened up about the “volcano of emotions” that led to him killing Thomas in her Remuera flat, that he meant no “disrespect” when he cut her body into eight pieces days later, and how he “did everything not to get caught” in the weeks that followed.
He also claimed he wished he had been “caught straight away” - and apologized to Thomas’ family.
“I’m so terribly sorry, I can’t do anything more than say I’m sorry,” he said.
Thomas, a mother-of-one and part-time sex worker, was reported missing by Callaghan in mid-2010.
He told police she had failed to pick up their little boy as per their shared custody arrangement and he was worried.
Police launched an investigation but there was no sign of Thomas.
Three months later Callaghan was arrested and the brutal and macabre details of Thomas’ murder and his attempts to avoid being caught came to light.
Callaghan admitted he was told he was not the father of his son, moments before murdering his ex-partner by repeatedly hitting her on the head with a baseball bat.
He then embarked on a mission to hide her remains - which he had dismembered and put in containers that he filled with concrete.
The killer arranged to go out on a friend’s boat to dump the containers at sea but the plan fell apart. Callaghan then settled on the crude grave in the West Auckland bush.
In March 2012 Callaghan was sentenced to life in prison and ordered to serve a minimum of 13 years and eight months before he could be considered for parole.
That time has now passed and Callaghan’s first hearing - before Parole Board chair Sir Ron Young and three other panel members - took place yesterday.
The Herald was granted permission to attend the hearing, where Callaghan appeared in a grey prison-issue tracksuit, clean-shaven with a tidy haircut.
Callaghan’s lawyer Emma Priest told the board he was not seeking parole.
She said while he had a robust safety plan, good support outside prison, approved accommodation and employment lined up - he wanted to remain in prison for another six months to complete further rehabilitation and reintegration programs.
He had also completed 20 one-on-one sessions with a private psychologist to address his offending.
“He is simply seeking some guidance from the board as to whether he’s on the right track,” she said.
Brad Callaghan during the intense police investigation into Carmen Thomas' death. Photo / Dean Purcell
Callaghan said he was “absolutely devastated” for Thomas’ family.
“For what I did, for my terrible actions,” he said.
“I know that nothing can bring back their daughter… I am so, so sorry from the bottom of my heart for what I have done to them.”
Callaghan then told Board chair Sir Ron Young about the work he’d done with the psychologist.
“We obviously went over my offending in detail, especially the lead-up to my offending and everything after the murder itself when I obviously went on a very extensive… tried to cover up my crime,” Callaghan said.
“We went over a lot… she pulled up a lot of things she thought I needed to work on... it was very intense and extensive and confronting. I felt like it was very effective.”
Police and forensic officers work at the Remuera home where Carmen Thomas was murdered. Photo / Janna Dixon
Sir Ron asked: “Why do you think you killed this young woman?”
“I killed Carmen because I reacted to something she told me, that I should never have reacted to. In a state of rage, I snapped, like a volcano of emotions. I hit her eight times in the head,” Callaghan said.
He added that his relationship with Thomas was “strained” and he had “suppressed a lot of issues” he was having - keeping his troubles to himself.
“I thought I could deal with everything myself - and I couldn’t. I was extremely stressed and emotional. I was very good at portraying that everything was ok… it 100 percent wasn’t ok,” he claimed.
Sir Ron asked: “Why do you think there was such explosive anger?”
Callaghan said his relationship with Thomas had been rocky from the outset and years of unresolved feelings erupted moments before he killed her when she allegedly told him their son was not his.
“My son was my world, he was my number one priority, and just the thought that he wasn’t mine brought up a lot of suppressed emotions,” Callaghan said.
Sir Ron said: “That was shocking, but in one sense what happened subsequently could be seen by (Thomas’ family) and others as even more shocking. Why did you do that?”
Callaghan said: “I knew what I’d done. I knew that I’d killed Carmen and it was murder. I knew I’d be spending the rest of my life in prison.
“I was terrified, I was panicked - I did everything I could not to get caught.”
Sir Ron rubbished Callaghan’s response, saying the dismemberment and concealing of Thomas’ body took place over “an extended period”.
“Those are not the actions of a panicked person. They were actually a carefully planned attempt to avoid responsibility. What you did was not the actions of a panicked person.
“Dismembering her body was an extraordinary thing to do The refusal to accept responsibility, the persistent attempt to involve other people in your deception was extraordinary… this is an extremely rare - the question is, why did you do all of that?”
Brad Callaghan at his first court appearance following his arrest for murder. Photo / Brett Phibbs
Callaghan maintained that he “initially panicked”.
“I wished I had got caught straight away. Everything I did… was a deeper hole.”
He claimed that after murdering Thomas he “had no intention” of cutting up her body. He put the dead woman in her own wheelie bin and hoisted it into the back of his car.
He decided to bury “on the second night” but it was “a failed attempt”.
“I was becoming desperate. I thought of dismembering her. I know this sounds callous but it was never meant to disrespect her… from my point of view, it was merely a means to an end in trying to dispose of a body.
“My intention was to make it easy to transport, to put on a boat… I didn’t have some kind of vicious intent to hurt her even further, even though I did. I was just desperate - I had Carmen in a wheelie bin in the boot of my car and I was so desperate.
“I just… I know how horrendous and horrible it is. At the time I was extremely selfish... I wasn’t thinking about Carmen or her family or the consequences. I was only thinking of myself.”
Parole Board Chairman Sir Ron Young. Photo / Stuart Munro
Sir Ron said it was “hard to think of a more selfish event after a murder” and Callaghan’s explanation sounded like “a refusal to accept responsibility”.
“Yes, I agree. It’s hard to put into words… It was horrendous, there’s no excuses. I can’t justify it at all,” he said.
“I’m generally not an emotional person. When I do become emotional I generally haven’t handled myself well.”
Sir Ron said Callaghan clearly needed a deeper understanding of his offending.
“Until you are really clear about it, it is difficult for us to release you,” he said.
The board decided Callaghan should continue on his path of rehabilitation and reintegration and appear again in 12 months.
On behalf of Callaghan, Priest attempted to have “verbatim” comments he made at the hearing suppressed.
She submitted publishing his comments may upset Thomas’ family and son.
Sir Ron rejected the suggestion, saying the Parole Board was a public institution and as such the public had a right to know what happened at a hearing - unless there were issues of legitimate privacy.
“There is a high level of legitimate public interest... We therefore see no reason why his responses... should be suppressed. The application is refused.
“We do not consider... that there should be any form of blanket order prohibiting the reporting of Mr Callaghan’s rehabilitation and any comments by him about his offending.
“We consider there is a high public interest in these issues.”
He was just telling the parole board what they wanted to hear. Pretty typical. God that Sir Ron could see through that.
He was just telling the parole board what they wanted to hear. Pretty typical. Good that Sir Ron could see through that.
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20 sessions with a psychiatrist?
20 sessions over a 12-14 year period???
For what he did to the body of the mother of his child???
Absolutely ridiculous.
And the whole “not wanting to be granted parole right now but maybe after 6 more months of rehabilitation”???
Hopefully anyone can see through that as simply a stunt, suggested by his attorney, in an attempt to make himself look truly remorseful and responsible.
He should be locked up until his last breath with zero chance of parole.
I think Carmen was going to move. And Brad wasn't having it.
Making my in office days easssssy! Love you Annie!
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@@gny512 but I don't go to starbuck's every day, I make my own. But good to know people who used it, liked it.
Did they do a DNA test to verify if Brad was the father or not. 13 years is not long enough punishment.
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Always LOVE your videos, you are the best! But Brad, only 13 years, that’s sick, and not justice, he took a life, so sad, and the Judge should be disbarred!
Keep up the good work…..I am a true fan of yours 😊
Some men can't handle rejection. Even when he had a new girlfriend, he wanted the one who didn't want him.
I didn't believe her even wanted her. He just wanted to shelf her while he was with his new girlfriend. What a selfish person
Hi Annie, I really wish I could win the beam dream because I cannot afford the prices. I live on SSI and it’s not much. I don’t understand how they they only give them 25 years 13 years across the pond. They don’t do them life like we do. I don’t know I think if he was still out and about and he got away with his first murder he probably would’ve done it again because he got away with it. I don’t trust somebody looking up things about murder a year before.
Same
No motive. Only 13 years. Nothing makes sense at all. It's mystifying. He'll do it again
I wouldn't be shocked if this wasn't his first time
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I remember when this happened. What a POS he is. He is coming up for parole next year, I hope he’s denied! 💁🏼♀️
Did they ever prove if Jack was really his or not? Wondering when he started those searches a year previous if he had found out that Jack wasn’t his and he was so pissed he started planning what he thought would be the perfect murder?
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That first picture of brad gives me the creeps. I don't know the story, but i bet he's the problem..
Brad should have just posted it on Facebook if he was gonna tell everyone
Perhaps there's something to Jack not being his son, only he had found out about it on his own?
New Zealand police: take call seriously
90% of American police: come back later this person is an adult maybe they wanted a break.
13 years when there’s evidence of premeditation and covering it up. The math and mathin’! Carmen didn’t get justice and it makes me sick!!!
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Maybe he found out earlier or a year before that he wasn't the father of her child and him being the sick individual that he is, started plotting her murder. And on the day he went to confront her and when she brought it up, he could have snapped and did it then and there.
The landlord is an idiot. If i hear my female neighbor screaming I'm going to check it out and physically see the woman to make sure she's ok.. Brad obviously wanted caught. You don't involve every friend you have to hide a body. it sounds like the cops were doing all they could and done a good job...
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13 years is disgusting he took her whole life on top of Jack, having his mom the rest of his life he didn't snap something that happened before that day.
Such a low sentence for murder. I think he thought about doing it prior to it happening. But if it were planned for that day, I don't think he would give her time to yell and wake up people. He would have just done it.
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