Pro Drummers SWEAR By Six Lug Snare Drums...But Why?
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- Опубліковано 31 гру 2023
- When you think of professional snares, you probably think they have ten lugs, right? If it's good enough for top-of-the-line drums from Tama, Pearl, Ludwig, and the rest of the big manufacturers, then it's gotta be the best, right? I'd like to challenge that idea today and show you what you can do with a solid six-lug snare (even if it was the snare that eight year old kids used in the 1960s)!
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Ludwig has made some of the most iconic drums of the last century - whether they're models made for the youngest drummers or the most seasoned veterans. Today, we'll explore a few different six lug drums from WFL and Ludwig that show why more lugs might equal more problems AND why less lugs could be a practical solution for you!
A few snare drums in today's video were generously loaned to me from MKE Drum Co. in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Derek Mantz is a drum wizard with repairs, but he also sells some incredible vintage drums too. Find more on him and his business at www.mkedrumco.com/ .
The 13x3" WFL drum was loaned to me from a really great recently opened drum shop in Kenosha, Wisconsin, called UnDigital Drums. Find a bunch of great gear they have for sale on Reverb at reverb.com/shop/cymbal-centri... .
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WE'VE MISSED YOU BAD TIMBO!!!!
Man, thank you. Lots of goodies coming the next few days (and the next few months). Hope you dig it!
Can’t agree more!🔥😎
@@Alex-Grt Thanks Alex!!
For real , for real!!! I’m a bit little just watching video now,but I’m stoked
@@mattryan6886 Thank you! Much more to come soon!!
First started learning about 6 luggers from Carter. The tuning range is a huge plus! That magic tone is 100% due to the fine led based and radioactive paint used to finish the drims 😂
Carter is definitely a trendsetter! And I love those six lug drums so much. I'm all about that lead tone. LOL
The Led cancels out the radiation so it’s all good
@@kunaikai LOL
8 lug snares are my favorite I own. Now I can say it maybe 6 lug snares. Lol
Eight is great! For me, it's just about finding a few different things that give me a pretty wide tonal palette!
I had a six lugger that I took the wrap off and staind with a dark brown finish with a simigloss finnish. I upgraded the lugs to tube lugs and put a coated remo powerstroke 3 with a top dot on it. Got rid of it for a different drum that I still have today and love that has 10 lugs but man do I miss that drum.
I’ll bet that was slick with the tube lugs on there!
Sooo Great Tim!!
Thank you- and Happy New Year Brother!
Jason! Thanks so much, my friend. Big love!!
What makes a drum fancy is an adjustable dampener inside the head
Hahahaha That’s one way to look at it! 😂😂
I got a 70's era Ludwig Acrolite... 8 lugs, and I like it just fine.
Oh, you can’t go wrong with those. They do just about everything!
The Acrolite snares from the late 60s to early 70s are the ones to find (IMHO). Experiment with different heads and tunings. An amazing versatile snare drum. I saw a photo in Modern Drummer many years ago of Stewart Copeland playing a 5x14 Acrolite. Makes sense doesn't it? Acrolites have so many tuning possibilities. Try using a Remo clear CS black dot head on an Acrolite. It will amaze you: from a fat funk tone to a tightened up Stewart Copeland tuning. Or just a white coated Ambassador top head, for that Joe Morello tone. My Acrolite is from the early 70s. So much tone and MOJO!
You’re right I have a cheap 10”x6” 6 lugs . I upgraded the heads and the rim more thick . And add a more wire strap. Now it’s my favorite. I don’t play my 14”x 5” Lugwig quest any more. I can also tune it the same sound as the Lugwig. I have more different sounds now in one 10”x 6” snare. I want to update the lugs next. This cheap snare is a Griffin co. Got it in Amazon got the zebra gray and black color to match my black Yamaha drum. This week I’ll get the wood rim shoot that connect to the rim. So I can get a good rim shoot. Thank you for the video.
Nice!
Them things just had a mojo man
1,000%!
I have 6 lug Slingerlands that I absolutely love!
I love all that old Slingerland stuff. I'll bet that little six lug drum you have is super rad!
Timbo's back! Happy new year brother! Great video, I have that same pioneer and the 6 lug 6 1/2 WFL, spot on, nothing else in my collection sounds quite like it! Take care!
Of course you have the same drums! Your wife must be a saint to let you hang on to all those drums. hahaha
Thanks for the welcome back, and know I'm sending you my best for the new year too. Cheers dude!!
@@timbofromkeno 🤣 even better, she's supportive and goes on drum picks with me haha looking forward to seeing what you put out this year! Have a good one!
So glad this channel came across my recommendations! I don’t play drums anymore but I love them!! This is rad, binging commencing
Thanks for the kind words, dude. I’m glad you’re enjoying the content!
What happened, why don't you play drums anymore?
I love my Gretsch Dixieland 6 lug.
I've played those, and I think I may have owned one at one point too. Super fun little drums!
Got addicted really quick, so i subscribed! Amazing drum talk, supa dupa playing!
hahaha Thanks dude. I really appreciate the kind words, and I'm glad you're digging the videos!
Ok ... I purchased a used 71 Hollywood Ludwig kit a few years back. I already owned several Luddys of the same vintage. This one was almost pristine blue sparkle. I wanted to purchase a wood snare drum with a similar finish. The Jassfest snare drums with the same wrap were demanding prices far beyond what I wanted to pay. I found a 65 Pioneer on cragslist. I negotiated a price of $280. The drum had crappy snare wires on it (not original Ludwig wires) and decent heads but I replaced both top and bottom with Remo ambassador on top and diplomat snare on the bottom. I also purchased a 14 strand Puresound snare for it. I even went so far as to replace the original top brass hoop with an S-hoop, for reasons now I can't recall. The drum sounds just ok and to be honest, I hardly ues it as I prefer my 63 Dynasonic.
The Dynasonic is a great drum. And tuning six-lug drums can require a bit of finesse.
I've tried the diplomat-weight snare-side heads in the past, and I just haven't liked the tone I've gotten from them. They cut so much sustain from the snare and can make them sound a little paper-y. Ambassador snare-side heads (or the Evans 300 weight equivalent that I generally use) seem to be the perfect head for just about anything sound-wise!
Timbo!! So glad to have ya back. Love this video. Those green sparkles are the shizzzzzz 😂
Yo, thank you so much. And man, I love that green sparkle kit!!
Timbo! Happy to see a new video! Hope the holidays were good to you!
Love this video!!
Thanks Marc. Happy to be back on here. Glad you dig the vid! So much more to come soon. Hope you dig it!!
I’m an 8 lug guy. I have 2 Premier Model 2000 snares, an 8 lug and a 10. The 8 lug just tunes faster and stays in tune longer. It also tunes lower than the 10 lug model.
Yeah, I love eight lug drums too. I tend to use them the most over anything else. I actually just tried out one of those newer eight-lug Ludwig Black Beauty snares, and believe it or not, that thing sounds wildly different than the 10-lug model. It blew me away!
MY MAN!!! A bit of a late xmas present! oh lord... the blessing and the curse of lug count... i tell ya right now I'd love having a 6 lug, wood snare. just on weight alone. great vid.
Jo-El! The weight is a HUGE factor on these too. That's another reason why I love gigging older drummers over newer drums. Good point! And thanks for the kind words on the video. So glad you dug it!
Thanks for another awesome video Tim! 🥁❤
Thanks John! I appreciate it. I've got a few bigger projects coming out in the next few weeks (and over the next few months). You'll have to let me know what you think of the new format that'll be coming out soon!
MY GUD BOI IS BACK!! 🖤
LOVE your content dude!
hahahaha Dude, thank you!!
Man that army green Ludwig kit you have sounds so good. And what you are getting outta that 6 lug snare is crazy.
It's my favorite kit for sure. I'm going to the grave with those drums. And six lug drums are pretty impressive. All you gotta do is put modern heads and wires on those puppies, and you're off to the races!
That piccolo sounded insane!
Right?! Those little snares always sound huge!
@@timbofromkeno I have so many drums in my reverb favourites list because of your channel 😆
@@millennialanimal hahahaha Good!
@@timbofromkeno 😅
2:38 That exact snare is the first drum I ever owned. It's been my go-to snare for over thirty years. No other snare has come close to being as good.
That's so cool! It's a great drum. So glad you've still got it hanging around today!
@timbofromkeno 😁 I don't like taking it anywhere for gigs though, as it has great sentimental value for me. My wonderful late parents got it for me at a yard sale (for $10!!!) To see if I was serious about drumming before they bought me a kit. They were super supportive and awesome.
@@Employee00765 I don't blame ya, dude! You're a lucky guy!!
Great video! I smiled when the 3x13 came up, because I have a similar model (I think it’s the Buddy Rich Be-Bop). It was my first snare drum, and it still sounds amazing.
That's awesome! I love those little drums. And thanks for the kind words!
Happy New Year, Timbo. I have missed you and hope all is well for you and your loved ones.
I love this video. It’s so cool hearing the sounds you can pull from that little mighty might of a snare. That is some serious sound! I have a 6 lug Mapex snare that came with my early Mapex V-Series bop set, but it is a 12 inch model. In fact, all the drums are 6 lug including the bass drum.
Thank you for being here, my Keno connection. Hope to see you again soon.❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
Hey Greg! thanks so much for the kind words. I'll bet that old Mapex kit is pretty fun to play. I owned an old Venus kit when I was about 15, 16 years old. Tons of fun. Hope you dig the new videos to come - there are plenty in the queue! : )
@@timbofromkeno Thanks , Timbo. Can’t wait.❤️
@@timbofromkeno Timbo, I bought the set second hand from a friend. It came as a 4 piece set with all the hardware and 4 Sabian B8 cymbals which aren’t the best but good enough for me in my basement. This was 3 years ago.
I had an old Ludwig 1966 champagne pink sparkle set with 2 rack toms, a floor tom, and a snare, but there wasn’t a bass drum. I priced them on line but could only find 1, and t as $800.00 plus shipping. I just didn’t want to spend that much money, so I pieced it out and sold it on eBay getting a little over $1100.00 for it. That’s when I got the Mapex set. There are times when I wish I had kept the old set, but I’m 74 years old now and just didn’t want to start putting a bunch of money into it at that time.
Anyway, take care Kenoian friend and thanks again for being here for me.❤️🙏🎶🎼🎵❤️🙏🎶🎼🎵❤️
My first pro snare was a 14x8 Tama Artwood Maple too!!!!!
That's so funny. What a small world! I loved that drum. Such a great snare!
Yeah dude, that Pioneer sounds great. I wish all my snares had 8 or less lugs.
Less lugs definitely have more advantages (generally). Not to say I don’t love 10-lug snares, because lord knows I’m gonna reach for my Black Beauty or my Supra a lot, but I just love that big tone you get from drums like these.
Yeah buddy - welcome back and Happy New Year! Dill Havarti!
hahahaha Thanks dude. HNY!!
Great stuff Tim. I like a history lesson. Your chops help with the sound portion. Well done my friend.
Thanks so much for the kind words. I appreciate it!
Its not about the lugs count but the hardwares specially the throw offs on cheap ones.. but once you upgrade those youre golden
As far as functionality is concerned, I totally agree with you about the throw!
Ive got a 1919 Ludwig NOB 6 lug 5”x14” and it sounds amazing. It was my great grandfather’s drum. The 6 lug snares are less desirable and only worth about 250-300$, if you find one in the wild def pick it up. Chad Smith used one in his Red Hot drumming VHS 📼 drum video for 1990’s it’s on UA-cam
I had no clue Chad used one of those at one point, but it makes sense. That guy loves vintage drums!
DUDE U JUST RANDOMLY POPPED UP ON MY FEED🔥💯 THIS STUFF IS AMAZING
Thanks so much for giving me a click and checking out the video. I really appreciate the kind words. Plenty of good stuff to come. Hope you stick around and enjoy it!
Wow love your video finally someone did one on these 6 lug snare drums. Playing for over 55 years I started at age 5. Been collecting vintage drums from 1975 age 15, with over 300 vintage snare drums.
My favorites snare drums have been 6 lug drums to used playing live or studio I have three Ludwig's that are in your video, I also have 1930's-1940's Ludwig,leedy, snares that are metal shells COB that also sound amazing. I in particular is a Leedy 4x15 COB 6 lug that has been on 100's of recording my most rented out studio drum I have.
I also like the 1970's Rogers skinny drum it's 2,5x13 metal shell taking about high pitch wow.
Ok iam going on to much.
I will say you should check out the vintage 1960's no name mass-produce made in Japan snare drums 6,8,10 lug wood,metal shell snare drums.
Dude, you've got quite the collection! I love those old 6-lug two-piece brass drums like your Leedy. And those Rogers satellite snares are really neat too. If I had all the space I the world, I'd probably have just as much as you've got hanging around too! lol But I'm glad you've been able to put that pile of stuff together. That's a pretty magical thing, man!
Happy nu yeah Timbo!!
I have a 6 lug luuan snare made by `DRUM MATE' which was a budget 70s brand tama had, and its my fav! It has insainly good cross stick, every noise that comes out of it is beautiful..
I've owned some Drum Mate stuff. And I'm actually wrenching on a very similar MIJ 6-lug drum right now too. I hope I see the same results you've gotten out of your snare!
Less lugs means going out of tune much more often in my experience, its a reason I hate 18 floor toms that dont have at least 8 lugs, they just have a dead, flappy sound at low tuning but with ten lugs they are at least playable imo.
@@johncollins5552 Interesting that this has been your experience. With more tension per lug on a six lug or eight lug drum, at a medium or high tuning, it should hold its tuning better.
If you have a 16” floor tom with five or six lugs per side, it could indicate an economical drum. Most professional level 16” floor toms have eight lugs per side, and that definitely seems to be the sweet spot! : )
@@johncollins5552 its probably dependant on use too, im really a beginner drummer, so i just practise and record for my own projects in the weekend, I'm certainly not heavy hitter or a gigging drummer so since i got it back from getting its bearing edge done and set up 8 months ago, i havent need to tune it once, but then again, its had very light use.
I'll keep what you said in mind as i have an almost identical 8 lug snare and ill see which needs tweeking first
Welcome back 🎉
Thanks John! I appreciate it. More fun stuff coming in the next few days! : )
My favorite snare out of the 35 years I've been playing drums is a 10 lug Black Panther. That thing seems to work for every room and every situation. I tried vintage drums for a while but I just couldn't find the sweet spots.
That high-end line from Mapex definitely has had some really cool drums on it over the years. I really wanted one of those Sledgehammer drums back in the day. Maybe I'll have to keep an eye out for a used one! : )
Man, sounds killer! Hope you had a great break Timbo! 🙏
Thanks Glenn. Definitely got some needed rest. Hope you got the same!
I have a "garbage" Pioneer - not because it is garbage, but because I found it there and paid nada zip zilch for it! I like cleaning things up, but I kept that one looking janky and got it functional again. Sounds great, and the 3x13" Jazz Combo is a firecracker too.
60's MiJ 6-luggers can be real sleepers - there are drummers out there using them at a professional level, and most can be found well under $100. Happy to see the 6-lug get some love. Cheers Tim!
I love MIJ drums. I’ve got a cheap six lugger I’m cleaning up now. Video coming soon!! ❤️👊
2:44
With this old stuff and the 50 to 75 years of gunk in 'em, you certainly get some friction! haha
Hey man! I have early ‘60’s Pioneer that’s exactly like that one. Nickel hardware. It has the original snares with new strings, I put new heads (had the originals) on it, and it sounds killer. A nice crack when it’s a little cranked up and fat when I back it off. It also came with an original tweed fiber case and stand.
So happy to hear you're digging your Pioneer. And man, that case sounds killer!
Great video about the sixlug snares. The Turkish cymbals, which sizes and series is that? All the best Lars.
Thanks so much, Lars! I think this video has a bunch of custom stuff in it. There's 17" custom hats (super thin with a patina on them), 18" Millennium Crash, 22" Millennium Ride, 20" Millennium Ride, and a 24" custom ride in the same style as the 17" hats!
So much knowledge here that a lot of people don’t know about. All of these snares sound great and your playing is beautiful. What is the Sample your playing on at 6 minutes? Also, I love the old school Ludwig Standard snares so now I’m curious to see how many lugs they have. I imagine there’s eight similar to the acolite which is another snare I love.
Thanks for the kind words, William! That sample is from one of my drumless tracks. They're available via the link in the video description for free! And man, those old Ludwig Standard snares are sleepers - such good drums! And all the old aluminum ones from that line that I've seen have eight lugs for sure.
“He’s good.”-Billy Maddison
hahahaha Thank you!
Hey Timbo! What sizes are your Ludwig Classic Maple?
Yo! I've got a 20x14 kick, 10x7 and 12x8 toms, and 14x14/16x16 floor toms!
I decided to check out some cheap drums by Griffin started with a snare ,it sounds fantastic I won’t even change the heads & it arrived in tune exactly like I wound tune it also the bass double pedal snare stand & double Tom stand I bought are sturdy & well made
That's awesome. It's pretty impressive what that stuff can do, despite the low price. Glad you're enjoying all that gear! : )
Thank you Timbo
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is a great channel
Thanks so much for the kind words!
Awesome stuff!
Thank you!!
Best sounding snare I own is probably still my 6 lug 60s slingerland student model.
Those Slingerland 6-luggers are sorely underrated!
The only reason for 10 Lug's is for Steel , thin, like 1.6 Millimeter Triple (or Double) Flanged Hoop's for Fine Tuning , especially with Coated Heads.
That's an interesting take! I totally agree that more lugs are better for more precise tuning. And the only ten lug snares I tend to love are thin metal snares of all sorts - aluminum, brass, steel, and anything in between!
Not gonna lie homeboy popped up in my recommended and at first glance I thought he was Trey Xavier 😂 glad I clicked! Super informative video! You earned a new subscriber! Keep it up dude
I wish I was Trey! LOL Thanks so much for the kind words. More good stuff to come!
Your kick drum is real bowel shaker! how do you get that hefty thwacking thump from it? that snare sounds great too!
Thanks Andy! One of my big tricks for kicks is to use a felt strip between the front head and the bearing edge instead of a pillow. It dampens the resonant head overtones like a pillow, but it allows the drum itself to more fully resonate upon being hit. Basically, it retains tone, but dampens overtones.
Hell yeah! Welcome back!
Thanks Hamil! Happy to be back. Hope you dig the new vids to come!
I have two 80's Japanese snare's (Yamaha and Bruno) and both are 10 lugs, I use a Drum Dial and they take more work to get them uniformed compared to my other 5 snares that are 8 lug snares
That's awesome. The old Japanese stuff, especially from the 80s, is rad. I've got a red Recording Custom kit right now, and I love it. Glad you're enjoying your old MIJ drums too! : )
It all depends on what you're looking for in a sound, and the type of music you're playing. What works for rock may not for a classical concert snare or solo performance. The evenness of the tension across the head will vary with the number of lugs.
Oh, 100%. I tend to speak to drum set players here, and especially those who favor vintage drums and the tones associated with them. But if I were in orchestral world, I think 10 lugs would be my standard. : )
I love usual and cheap drums....I've just bought a £25 rusted Piccolo snare and with new heads it sounds awesome, and no I'm not cleaning it up, the rust makes it more appealing to me.
I call rust patina-just makes it more valuable! 😂😂
@@timbofromkeno I like that idea, hahaha
Hell yeah! Timbos back ❤
Yeah baby! hahaha Thanks for the support!!
Man I didnt even know you had a UA-cam channel Tim! Fantastic video. I've got a 5.5x14 DW collector's polished bell brass snare that just gives me soooo much trouble getting a nice medium-high tone. I don't know if it's my Heavyweight head or what. It's bothering me really bad because it's my grail snare. I've got a 6.5x14 DW Collector's black nickel over brass AND a 5.5x14 DW Collector's vintage brass over steel that sound fine in almost any range despite having a Heavyweight on the 6.5 and Heavyweight Dry on the 5.5!! Don't know what the issue is!! Hopefully you see this and can lend some help
Hey Noah! Super bummed to hear you’re having that issue with the brass snare. Have you tried replacing both heads and the snare wires on it? And tonally, do you want a big rings classic brass snare sound or something more modern like the tone Matt Garstka gets?
@@timbofromkeno yeah I've swapped out the batter and snareside from the stock ones and even put on a puresound 30 strand. Mind you I've been playing for over 10 years and I pride myself on my tuning abilities, but man this drum is just not working with me as well as any of my others, other brass snares included. I may need to drop that Heavyweight and try something different. As for sound, I'm aiming for the middle of the 2. I love the body and resonance of brass shells but I'm not trying to have it ring forever either, that's why I stuck with my usual Heavyweight head for a bit more tonal focus, but this snare seems to choke out at any lower to medium range tuning.
@@noah._.powell That is so strange. Have you had a look at the shell and the hoops to make sure everything is in round and not warped or anything?
@@timbofromkeno that is on my to-do-list for sure. I custom ordered the snare drum and was in contact with someone at DW throughout nearly the whole process. It was delayed because John Good hand inspects those shells I was told. I had a few tension rod inserts strip out shortly after receiving it as well, and I wasn't cranking on them. Makes me wonder if the shell may indeed be warped or if it got damaged in shipping somehow. Fingers crossed I can get something figured out. 🙄
@@noah._.powell Man, what a bummer. I'm so sorry you've gone through that. If you're looking for good brass, there are so many manufacturers out there at might give you better customer service to resolve such a problem. That's a big reason why I stick with the smaller guys. If you ever have other questions about this type of stuff, don't hesitate to reach out my way. I'm happy to help in any way I can. And in the meantime, I hope you get things sorted with that brass drum soon!
Some swear by them, others swear at them. I had pioneer 6 lug, jazzfest 8 lug, and equiv shell in 10 lug. 8 is happy medium for me. 6 too sloppy floppy, which can be cool for certain vintage styles but thats about it
lol I love that first sentence. I’m gonna quote you on that moving forward. 😂😂😂 But I totally agree on eight lug snares. I feel the same way as you!
@@timbofromkeno Ha yeah that is an original line I just came up with right now. I turned to 8 after never being able to get a decent more vintage tone with 10 lugs, which to me just sound too clean and controlled, too professional precise. I like 60s 70s music best, not 80s to modern, unless it's modern groups doing vintage styled music, which is a big thing in many genres more lately. They seem to either go w/ 6 or 8 or pull a ringo by placing a tea towel over it.
There he is again, finally!
I’m back! 😂 And there’s plenty more to come over the next few months. Hope you dig it, dude!
I love my pioneer.I painstakingly removed all the white paint on the inside.It’s beautiful mahogany shines
That old mahogany sure is pretty for sure!
great vid mate
Thanks dude. I truly appreciate that!
@timbofromkeno always love to see you've posted something. Surprised you don't have 100,080,210,006 subscribers yet lol
@@djyeah-nah9781 Thanks for the kind words. And I just keep plugging along. I'm just glad anyone wants to watch this stuff! lol
6 lug snares sound like buckets....made of cardboard....with clumps of wet moldy newspaper ( with stories about Enron on the front, and escort ads in the backpages ) stuck to the bottom.....and spit balls plastered on the outside 😂
But seriously, the so called "highs," pops and cranking abilities on 6's have a very low ceiling. In fact, I'll call it a floor. Their mids and lows sound barky to me as well. I like some bark in my bass or distorted guitar tones, not in my snares. Yeah, I'm in the 10s and 12s camp.
To each their own! hahaha That's what so fun about this stuff - we all can find our own sound, and it can be totally different to the taste of someone else's preferences (just like food, clothing, or anything else)!
@timbofromkeno True indeed, brother. Nice energy and information in the presentation, though.
@@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power I appreciate it. Thank you!
Timbó , where you has been ? We miss you and your videos ...
Hey Uzziel! Thanks for the comment. I’m here! 😂 Needed to deal with some health and family stuff at the end of last year, but I’m happy to be back now. Lots of good stuff to come soon, so I hope you stick around and enjoy it!!
I used to have a WFL 6 lug. It may have been 6.5" deep. It had a lot of undesirable overtones, and required dampening (ring).
I think 8 lug snare drums are good enough and easier to tune.
I totally get it with the overtones. You have to be a little more finicky with tuning with less lugs, but if you choose a pre-dampened head (like the Evans Heavyweight Dry), that makes everything so much easier.
And honestly. I think you're right with eight. That's my kind of sweet spot too! : )
Would you be able to do a video on 16 lug bass drums versus 20 lug bass drums? Is 20. Just a fad? Cuz I know that a lot of the older ones used to be 16 lug pre-1980s. Or am I incorrect in that statement? Thanks! Love your videos!
Thanks for the kind words! I have a lot to say about this. 😂😂😂
In short, I’ll tell you that I like 8-lug 20” kick drums over 10-lug drums. Why? At that size, you need less lugs to create a fuller tone. With 10 lugs a side, you lose so much low end.
If you put less lugs in a larger kick (even just going one size up to a 22), it still makes a big tonal difference, but then it becomes more of a flavor difference than fixing a problem.
I think I'm going to try 8 lugs on a 24. I want that big low end growl. Thank you so much for your input. I really appreciate it! I listen to a bunch of Franklin drum videos and they do that. I think to every bass drum and they sounded really good to my ears.
@@tybreedlove Yeah, I think Franklin does that. I think Gretsch might too, as they historically did eight lugs a side in bigger drums!
Pro tip: if you have a 10 lug drum you can just tune 5 of the lugs to get a similar sound and feel
Not a bad idea for sure!
Not in my experience. I've a 6 lug Ludwig '65, 5x14 w/ nickel hardware. It sounds great for about 30 minutes. It doesn't stay in tune for a extended amount of time. My 10 lug Ludwig '87, 5x14 Classic stays in tune for days. Not sure how you can keep your 6 lug in tune. Maybe the nickel is the problem. Clueless. May be because I tuned it too high. Thanks for the vid. I'll try playing it with a lower tuning.
That's really interesting, Mike. I'd be curious to see that drum and get into it. I'm sorry you're having all those issues with it, but I'll bet that 80s Ludwig is a champ!
Can you please try if using half of thé lugs on a 10 lug snare has the same effect?
That gets a little dicey since the tension wouldn’t be as evenly distributed. Folks with 12 lug drums might have better luck solely tensioning 6, though!
@@timbofromkeno with diecast hoops i think that would Bé ok
@@pieterjanjordens Tuning with diecast hoops can be more finicky than triple flange hoops, so this may be more difficult. Plus, if your hoops are made of zinc or aluminum, then you could more easily warp those hoops trying something like this, so I’d tread carefully or avoid trying this altogether with diecast hoops.
@@timbofromkeno i always thought that diecasts we're harder and therefore less pliable. So alu and zinc diecasts not?
@@pieterjanjordens They’re thicker, but I’ve seen them more prone to unfixable warping, even if they don’t warp as easily as thinner 2.3mm flanged hoops. And I think that has to do with the way they hold tension, but I’m not sure of the actual physics behind that. 😂
Very nice very nice and very nice
Thanks! Love your profile picture, dude. lol
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i’d like a video about your room mics please 😅
I definitely need to do something about in the future for sure! : )
Congatulations, you recorded a drum kit that SOUNDS LIKE A BIG RESONSONANT drum kit, no computer triggered Sound. Keep it!!!!
Thank you! I really appreciate the kind words. : )
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I only play drums with 69 lugs 😎
I only play drums built on snake farms.
@@timbofromkeno that's why they just sound gnasty
I really don' t like the snare sounds, but maybe like you said it' s just sound preference.
...but i appreciate your courage to do your thing 👍🏻
Different strokes for different folks. These tones have paid many bills for me in the past and even gone on to win some Grammies, so I'm not complaining! lol
I have 6 lug and an 8 lug to
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Glad you dug it!
Ppl have been marketed to thats the why. Ppl are dumb. They dont realise that drums are drums. If theyre made decently, and you tune em up with decent heads...thats all you need. And when a great player plays any instrument,especially anything cheap, and it sounds great, ppl get little kid syndrome where once attention is put towards something, everyone goes "hey wait a minute..i like thatthing. I nees that thing"
I think you're dead on with all of this!
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lol You're too funny. 🤣
The six lug was the worst sounding drum out of all of them but it had stiff comp. Your a killer drummer by the way. Enjoyed the video.
Thanks for the kind words! I appreciate it!!
How about a KENT Drum
The old American-made Kent stuff is super interesting. I ran into Jojo Mayer at Revival Drum Shop once, and he always buys them when he sees them because of how cool they sound!
With 1.6mm rims, 6 lugs are not enough to keep rims from bending. 8 is the minimum and 10 pro level. My '48 RK is an 8 lug, but it has heavy brass rims.
They can definitely bend. I was just telling someone the other day that if they plan on going with an old Pioneer, it could be worth using cheap new replacement hoops instead of the original ones.
There are definitely differences to eight and ten lug drums, but I think it's worth really thinking about if those differences equate to "better" sound. I think they're all just different. Six lug drums have paid my bills many times, so I'd say they help professional drummers. haha
Cheers Brian!
How many lugs on your bass drum?
Good question! I love 20” kicks with 8 lugs on each side. It balances the highs and lows that you get out of the drum a little better.
Why not just tension 6 lugs on a 10 or 12 lug Snare..?
That's a good question! 12-lug drums are pretty hard to come by, but technically, you. could simply tension six points instead of 12. But on the 10 lug drum, solely tensioning five lugs might get a little funky. That tends to become a bit unwieldy. But you have to keep the points of tension evenly spaced - so if you tried to tension six points on a 10-lug snare, then those points wouldn't be evenly spaced, and it'd be really difficult to create an even amount of tension all around the drum.
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Great points - thank you!
I would say, to those of us with a 12 lug Snare, to try it out with just the six evenly spaced ones (maybe remove tension rods?) And see if we love the sound if
If it sounds good then it's worth investing in a dedicated six lug snare 👍
It has to do with the shell. I have a 8 lug Gretsch Round badge that it is AMAZING. I don't use it much because I don't want mess it up. Personally, I will always use buy a ten lug. I don't believe this theory AT ALL. My go to is a cheap Mapex Black Panther 14x5.5. A good drum is a good drum.
Totally fair. To each their own! But I agree with you on the shell too. I think mass has to do with it for sure. The less stuff you have on that shell hardware-wise, the more that wood is going to be able to resonate. : )
@@timbofromkeno I can certainly appreciate that. Good is good. I am currently using I cheapo Ludwig black label kid’s marching snare. It took me quite a while to get a good tone out of it. First time seeing your video and I much admire your playing.
@@crawdaddy6969 I’ll bet that Ludwig is pretty fun to play with. And thanks for the kind words. I appreciate that!
It is. 14x10 Birch shell Mini Lugs. P-85 strainer. @@timbofromkeno
@@crawdaddy6969 Killer!
They are alright.
Fair! 😂
have you heard you look just like Mike Mangini? are you guys cousins? holy shit
lol I wish. That dude SHREDS!
It's the drummer, not the drums.
There's definitely a lot to that statement! And with a solid foundation in tuning and a knowledge of good head/wire/dampening selection, that'll take you anywhere you want to go tone-wise!
Exactly which pro drummers swear by six lug snare drums? Because I sure haven't heard of any.
Might be worth a trip to a shop like Revival Drum Shop or Nelson Drum Shop. You'd be surprised what folks are playing. I ran into Jojo Mayer at Revival one time, and that dude talked about how much he loved the old cheapy Kent Drums, and those are of poorer quality that the Ludwigs mentioned here. But Jojo loves 'em - so I think there's some secret sauce to this stuff. : )
but how to tune 6 lugs snear drum😀. make video buddy 💀
I've got a simple tuning video on a dead UA-cam channel here:
ua-cam.com/video/ttFzYFHgFzw/v-deo.html
Let me know if this helps. Thanks!
Anyone that knows anything about drums knows this why do you never here those guys telling you the best drummers in the World can make cheap drums old drums past their best with the worst mismatched heads on them sound better or as good as any 1000£ snare 6 lug snare drums have got better quality threads ,ie. Old vintage Ajax,, Premier olympic,maxwin,trixon,honner budget,rose morris Beverly .It's all about the Players ear.💛🧡❤️💜💛🧡❤️🌞🌜🌟🌎🙏🌼🌸🌳🌴☺️
Now there’s an opinion we can agree on! 😂❤️👊
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