Tracking Trajectory - .22 vs .177 airgun pellets
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Here's how to compare the trajectories of .177 and .22 pellets. Airgun World and Airgunner magazines technical editor Phill Price sets up the 'chalk' test.
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The bottom line is that this is the perfect argument as to why you have to practice, practice, practice. Whichever weapons you are going to be using, those are the same rifles you need to take to the range. The more you target shoot with your weapons, the more confident you will be and the better shot you will be with those weapons.
its the only way to go know your rifle backwards and its limitations
Straight facts spoken there
@@falkirk8413
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I'm not sure why you wouldn't use sheets of paper for this - that would allow you to track a parabola with the bare minimum of difficulty and deflection on the pellets.
Paper deflects the .177 more than the chalk.
Ya right that's what I was thinking. It didn't seem right how did that work
@@silvermediastudio i find that pretty hard to believe
@@themashedavenger5461 Nobody cares what you believe?
How can this test be accurate when you lose power due to the chalk...especially on the 177 pellet...
wake up lazy boy
Im using 15 grain 22’s and 8 grain 177’s. Zeroed in around 20
Yards. When im shooting indoors at 10 yards the 22 hits 1.5” low. 177 little difference, maybe hits a smidge higher.
Excellent video, thank you, Phil
try again with transparency sheets and direct lights?
or
Tracing paper with calibrated targets/grids and a laser pointer?
Guys I bought an .22 air gun with (38j) about 28 foot pounds of energy. And it can achieve a clean kill with any upper body shot for small animals. Plus a high powered air rifle works out your arm, so you do not need to pay for the gym for a while. My rifle ( SAG ar2000 jet)
I bet it kicks like hell
Is that a springer I take it. Recoil won't be for me 🙄
I personally prefer 75cal
It's different in the us bc we are not limited to 12 foot pounds
Wow. This is very good information to know
hi there lads just use light weight cigarettes rolling paper instead of the disks
what scope are u using
The discs aren't going to affect the pellet trajectory??!! Rubbish.
he said it would be, sounds like youre arguing against yourself bud.
@@kyecowen4583 So why did they design the test that way?
whot is a bsa and scope?
+fx roiale 400 BSA airgun + riflescope
Once my dad shot a bird with a 7mm Remington mag and we thought the bird disappeared it exploded
Sure hope the bird was on the ground ;)
Instant pillow😅
What low life needs to kill rabbits
I tried both and they’re the same with accuracy it depends on you not the gun I doubt that this video is true because they might have a motive in selling
stick to the chalk discs and leave bugs bunny alone
Ive taken around 100 rabbits off my permission using a .177 sub 12 rifle and all my kills have been between 55 and 85 yards, 35 is a luxury i'll never see. The land and the rabbits just won't allow for shots that close. longer shots are perfectly doable with the right equipment.
Same ,I had my old Webley Rader zeroed at 45m and took a rabbit at 72 paces ,if you know your rifle and scope all is good
I always recommend .177 for air gun beginners, and long time shooters alike. The flatter trajectory is easier for beginners to deal with, less problems with over penetration on small game animals, and being able to use lighter pellets for better energy transfer. You folks across the pond have ft lb limits but here in the states, lots of folks think more is better. After shooting competitively and hunting with air guns for over 20 years, have come to the conclusion that .177 is the best caliber up to 20ft lbs. After that, accuracy decreases and nothing is gained. Anything over 20ft lbs in .22 tends to over penetrate, wasting energy, and pellet deformation is negligible with the heavier pellets. Unless you hare hunting larger animals than rabbits, .177 is the caliber to own. This test was rather crude and inconclusive. Would have been better to just shoot on paper at different distances with both calibers using similar guns and compared groups.
thanks man now i feel better about my puncher breaker (i was disheartened after purchasing for small game and realising when home its 177
I've never suffered over penetration, a hole through the brain is never a good thing if like living
which is good for monkey repelling..? .177 800fps or .22 600fps..? thank you.
Ime not a beginner and I prefer and use 177, so what's 177 got to do with beginners other than it travels faster and in a flatter trajectory
Absolutely think the .177 is a great caliber for springers and PCP air guns . Don’t underestimate its capabilities in both accuracy and at harvesting small game for the table . Even at sub 12 foot pounds of energy with Diabolo pellets it’s lethal . Today with the availability of slugs in countries with less restrictions in FPE , it’s a leap forward for this caliber .
Hey there guys.. Having performed similar tests here in the US and having worked with several hundred airguns over the years, respectfully, I would say that the .22 is a better all around choice for small game, especially if wind is going to be an issue. The heavier pellet flies a bit more true over distance in my observations. One of the things that I've learned is how to properly maximize my scope's effectiveness by zeroing it at the optimal zero point based on actual velocity with my chosen pellet, whether in .177 or .22. This way, regardless of caliber, I can always aim dead center and know that I'm going to get a clean kill. I generally work things out on paper using Hawke's chairgun pro, and then I'll prove it out using knock down targets at 15, 25, and 35 yards. If I can aim dead center and activate all 3 without requiring hold over or under, then I'm good to go. One benefit that I have is that I'm shooting 12 FPE+ guns. If I can get a .22 from Air Arms (I already have a .177 and .25) and can set them to 12 FPE, maybe I can run some additional tests just to make sure that I'm correct that it works as well at low power as it does with higher powered airguns.
With kindest regards,
Rick at AirgunWeb
I assume this test is more geared towards those in the UK. Do you have any thoughts on 22 vs 25? I'm talking full power US spec guns with 30 to 40 fpe. I personally seem to have better luck with .22 but I prefer the knockdown power of a bigger pellet as I plan on going for medium game like coyotes and smaller hogs.
Thanks Rick - I'd like to see that test / Charlie
+Joshua C .177 has pellets heavy enough to kill a hog and coyotes and the benefits of it in heavy 16 grain pellets is that in .177 you can shoot a flatter trajectory traveling at a 1000 fps. even a 10 grain will kill a hog traveling at 1000 fps
+Joshua C gamo socom extreme in .177 has killed hogs gamo hunter extreme in .177 has killed hogs and hatsan 125 sniper and hatsan 135 both in .177 have killed hogs.
+luis casillas..... I would sure like to know which air rifle you have that is shooting "16 grain pellets at 1000 fps"... and I assume your talking about a pcp... not, a "spring gun". (??) Correct ?
.177 all day long.
Both calibers are fine; intended use is the key factor.
i dont know but that .22 at 30 miserable yards has droped like a whopper. honestly... i know a lot of people brag that .22 still carries most its energy at 20 - 30 yards but if it drops that much whats the use? instead buy a super magnum .177 and shoot heavy pellets and you'll have small point of impact for more penetration flatter trajectory heavy high fpe at high velocity.
A .22 at 30 yards at 950 fps is going to hit 2x harder than a .177 at 30 yards with muzzle of 950fps.
.177 loose energy quicker so out at 30 yards they have slowed more and lost more energy. I think at 500 fps a .177 is a better choice due to its flatter trajectory.
I would choose what ever caliber you can shoot at 900 fps. Many go to a .22 but they drop fps to like 650. I'm talking about a gun powerful enough to shoot a .22 at 900+ which in USA is easy to find.
Bob what .22 pellets are gonna run at that speed in 12fps
Rediculous test. Should've been paper targets instead of chalk.
I'm American...I dig the .177. Call it the accuracy of the Hunt.
All depending on scope mount height higher mounts will be more exagerated than low mounts so take this into account . Check your own trajectory for best results for your own combo
Ease off the marching powder bro.
Try putting a laser on the rifle, on the bench, put a paper target at 35 yards withe the laser centered on the bull, without moving the rifle,mod the same at 25, and 15 yards. Then shoot the air rifle, the pellets should show dead on at 15, high at 25, and dead on again at 35, the paper should be thin enough to let thempelletsmpass with minimal deflection.
The key is making the laser align with the center of the target bulls so you know they are each at the same height.
The chalk discs won't disrupt the pellet's trajectory??!! Yeah, right!!
Any amount of breeze will render .177 inaccurate @ 30m - If you have a decent understanding of airguns & want consistency then .22 would be the natural choice.
Ive tryed both 22 way better in wind I shot up 2 100yrds with mine
I don’t miss I use StrelokPro and a range finder with my mtc viper pro 5/30/50 and air arms tdr s410
can,t agree with this got head shots in woodies at 60 yds with bsa r10mk2 many times
22, 2022, cant believe you mguys were serious hunters with an air rifle pmsl
.22 is better for sure but when you have 17J limit, the choose is not that simple, so I ended with the .177.
This guy always shits on 22 Lel. Cause of this all my rifles are now 177 ,_,
That voice sounds familiar ''Can I have a one way ticket to Nottingham please? Tunes.
Not necessarily true for the rest of the world but brittish people made us belive it is the case.
The .22 isnt flying in a curve because "its flying slower" its flying in a curve because the scope/sights are zeroed differently. Neither does the .22 it drop faster it just drops earlier.
If you were put the rifles with barrels perfectly horizontal to the ground and drop a pellet from the same height as the muzzle at the same time a pellet leaves the barrel they would make contact with the ground at the same time. So the reason there is a "curve" is basically because you angle the rifle due to the zeroing of your sights. You are making the projectile arc, not the caliber.
Ita not just sematics - The difference is important because the pellet doesnt determine the speed, the gun does. So when Brittish shooters keep telling the rest of the world ".177 has a flatter trajectory" its not necessarily true at all. A .177 at 950 fps doesnt have a flatter trajectory than a .30 at 1000 fps for example. For pellets, speeds beyond that tend to decrease accuracy so alot of guns can potentially shoot faster but dont.
It really upsets me that guns over the pond have to be sub 12.
They can be more but you need a license ,I had the same filling with you guys ,alot of states can't have pistol grips or high cap mags on sound mods but we can
The solution is a 35+ fpe .22 that thing shoots just as flat as any sub 12 fpe .177 and delivers a lot more knockdown power. Or simply get a .17 HMR and you can shoot rabbits up to 300 yards.
dopeofthepope
Yes I totally agree that is why I have a 30+ FPE .22. I think 12 fpe is .l77 land and is why in england they prefer it.
if they had 40FPE guns their they would be shooting .22 and not be arguing on which to get.
They are forgetting about the concussion radius. Even if the pellet does not strike the brain head on, there will still be a great amount of damage dealt to the brain (enough damage to kill it) when the pellet strikes near it. Kind of like splash damage or conchoidal fracture.
It's called hydrodynamic or hydrostatic shock:-
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrostatic_shock
+MoFo Mostwanted..... that is why, personally... I prefer the .20 and .25 calibers.
Not if it does not deform or it over penetrates. Then it is just wasted energy.
Looking for help here: I live in a densely populated residential neighborhood in SC, USA. Lots of land are on average about a 1/4 acre, some more some less, and generally lots are separated by wood fencing. That being said, in this neighborhood, some neighbors and I always have felt comfortable taking squirrel out, using 22 BB air rifles. We have all agreed that, so long as the BB’s are aimed above roof lines, no harm no foul. Unlikely that BB’s will fall hard and fast enough to hurt people or property , yeah? Then I recently bought a much more powerful break action .22 pellet air rifle, pushes the pellets several hundred mph faster muzzle velocity compared to the pump action BB gun. Is it still safe to discharge this air gun in the neighborhood, so long as the point of aim is above roof lines? I guess I need to research the legality of this in my town, but to my knowledge there isn’t a prohibition on discharging air rifle pellets in either the town or my home owners association. I’m simply wondering about the ballistic velocity and power of these pellets as they drop to the ground on a missed shot or after total penetration through a squirrel. I would never want to harm people or property. I don’t even know where to find this ballistic data for pellets.
Thanks for this. I wrote an article years ago about the dangers of firing AKs into the air with live rounds at terrorist funerals. My ballistician correspondents looked at the height the bullets would achieve and their momentum as they returned to Earth. They agreed that the modern .556 (a .20-cal round) would usually hurt while the old 7.62 (a .30-cal round) could injure. They agreed that the .22LR would not injure, though one of them pointed to a tragedy in the 1950s when a newspaper reported that a falling .22 bullet killed a child watching a football match after striking him in the head, and the coroner later observed that the child had an unusually soft skull. I couldn't find a reference for that article. Hope this helps. / Charlie
Crazy talk! Set your scope up for the best point blank range for the velocity of the pellet you are using. Canada is about to adopt Great Britain’s absurd airgun regulations. Why on earth would you want to be such a bad example for the rest of the world. And you just let them do it. And the bizarre thing is, you agree with it!
Unlucky. Sadly for us, this is all we got so we gotta make out most of it.
We can own over 12fp if you have it on a fac ,and we can own firearms as well if you are in a club or you have permission from a land owner to shoot vermin or game@@shiroxyui
a video showing absolutely nothing. why did you even bother. just use paper on a less windy day!
A holes arguing like children ovr a fkn air gun
To be fair .22 sucks here because Brit airguns are underpowered.
What do u recommend. .22 or .177? uk air rifle to kill rabbits
@Blade-2k both will do that but a .177 has a flatter trajectory and better penetrative capability, but you need to hit a vital organ,.22 has a bigger trajectory curve, and hits with harder energy, but that's why ppl who can't shoot well prefer .22 ,but if you are a crack shot like me and know your rifle and scope and can judge distances, get a .177 😊 bring it on .22 shooters I've shot both 😊😊😊😅😅
The .22 pellet reminds me of the trajectory of a .223
Good information,..something else learned today, by me.
if you know your ranges and trajectory, 70 yards with a sub 12ftlbs on rabbit is fine, headshot only......... 35 is a joke, obviously not as much as an 'expert' as he thinks......... probably just didnt want to miss on camera haha
It was obvious, the chalk target no1 was going to deflect it heading for no2/3.
I'm guessing there no such thing as sighting in your scope?
You’re missing the point. All scoped rifles, Pellet, bb, or actual firearm will be on target at the near and far distances, but shoot high at the midrange.
@@MetalDetroit I think that was what he was getting at is
How there isn’t exactly a zero or fixed spot to set a scope to any rifle.
There or no rules and it’s all arbitrary and based on the individuals own preferences.
The way I’ve sighted in most high power rifles is dead on at 100 meters and I just account for 1.5” high at 25 -50 meters and the rest dial up the scope turrets according to the range.
With a low powered air gun I’d only sight in to my farthest effective distance say 50 meters and roll with it knowing I can hold a inch low at 30 meters …
Why not just use a thin piece of paper then you could measure the path if you use a theodolite or something to put them in the exact same spot
Super interesting!
Commentary sounds like a heavy night on the Columbian marching powder.
You need to ease of a bit mate.
Two items - even a chalk disk probably has enough mass to deflect a .177 pellet traveling at 1000 feet per second. It doesn't take much. If I might suggest, instead of using chalk, try lining up paper targets instead. Once the shot is taken and holes are in the paper, line up the paper to demonstrate. While not as dramatic, it should be easier to demonstrate.
Second, I have a .22 air rifle. Since I'm not limited to 12 foot pounds, and my gun shoots at around 850 feet per second, would it have the same type of flat trajectory as the .177 you speak of?
...does not apply to FAC guns. If your .22 is throwing a JSB 18.1 at 850 (rifle zeroed at 50 yards) you will have 5.48 inches of drop at 75 yards. Conversely, shooting a .177 8.44 JSB at the same speed, 850 will yield 6.56" of drop at 75 yards when the gun is zeroed at 50. The 18.1 has a better BC and it is most efficient from 830 to 890 FPS. I am still amazed at all the gents in the UK who bag a lot of game from a sub 12 foot pound gun.
Keyser Soze Excellent explanation, thank you! Took a minute to understand FAC as I live in the States, I believe it means firearms certificate, which my gun would require if in the UK.
You put together an excellent show and I learn a great deal from you. Thanks again.
B Garner I don't understand it but any how my R1 ,R9 .177 like 15 ft/lbs and my crowmagnum .22 27 ft/lbs are all shooting in the 900's flat shooting I live in the USA if I miss no big deal with that much force the varmint dies I don't have to do a head shot shoot it in the vitals and dead varmint watch the pellet go through and no more varmint clean kill varmints beware
kenny cadarett The difference is the power allowed in the US vs the UK. Air rifles are unlimited in the US, so the pellet speed is higher, and ft/lbs impact higher as well. Air rifles in the UK are limited to 12 foot pounds. The .177 pellet is lighter, so can be fired at a higher speed to achieve the 12 ft/lbs, and has a fairly flat trajectory. The .22 is a heavier pellet, so must be fired at a lower speed to stay under the 12 ft/lb legal max. The lower speed translates into more of an arching trajectory than the .177. Math and physics. I wish I understood both a little better.
The .22 in the US will have a flatter trajectory than the .22 in the UK because the US pellet is fired at a higher speed.
What they are saying is:
Flight time to target requires a constant predetermined amount of elevation. So if you shoot and it takes one second to hit you will have 32 feet of drop split between the rise and fall of the ark of the shoot.
I am only recently getting into high powered air guns from using an old pump-up bb-gun in my youth. So I got a question for the Britt's from "across the pond in the colonies": What exactly is a "12 pound gun"?
I have break-barrel .177 cal pellet rifle that is supposed to shoot at 1000 fps and nothing in the literature that came with it talks about "poundage". would you please be so kind to educate me?
Corey Shier does it have to do with being a PCP rifle?
+Corey Shier A foot pound is a measure of energy. The reason you will often see reference to 12 foot pounds is because in england firearms regulations state that you need a licence for a gun that produces over 12 foot pounds of energy.
+Corey Shier..... Corey, they are only referring to the FPE (Foot Pounds of Energy) that the pellet is developing as it leaves the barrel, although "generally" measured at 3 - 4ft from the muzzle, with a Chronograph.. or "Chrony" as we call them.
The formula to figure out how much energy the pellet is generating, "looks" like this.... PW (pellet weight) X (Times) known FPS (feet per second) X FPS = ?? then "squared" by the known FPS again, = ??? Then Divided by the constant denominator of 450240 will = (equal) the FPE for that pellet in YOUR particular gun.
To illustrate an actual example, mathematically... we'll use a commonly used .22 cal. pellet weighing 14.3 gr. (grains) and we "Chronograph" it at (ie:) 765 FPS and we want to know how much energy the pellet is generating... it will look like this on your calculator..... 14.3 X 765 = 10939.5 X 765 = 836871.5 Divided by 450240 = 18.587 FPE. This formula also works for firearm projectiles, and slingshots as well.
Over in "jolly ole England".... the gov't there, in all their infinite "wisdom" has put a "noose" around the neck of air gun enthusiasts over there and they are Not allowed to have airguns capable of generating ANY amount of Energy over 12 FPE..... regardless of caliber, type of airgun power plant and pellets used..... and they actually have "airgun police" as it were... who will periodically "spot check" airguns to make sure they are in conformity with the law.(!!!) : (
These guns are also sometimes know as "sub FAC" guns... the FAC stands for "FireArms Certificate". Having said all that.... it IS "possible" to own an airgun (in the UK) that is capable of more power (FPE).... but, it is necessary to "jump through all the hoops" and obtain a FAC... Fire Arms Certificate, in order to own one... or, at least shoot it.
There are several other EU countries that are "sub 12 fpe" as well as England, as far as I've "heard"... Scotland being very strict (re: Stupid!!) as well..... with their airgun laws..... I think Draconian, would be a fitting term for ANY country with such ridiculous air gun laws.... but, it will probably come "here" some day as well.... enjoy the power while we can.
2Stroke Diesel Power + More simple: KE = V^2 × M ÷ 450240.
Volocity (in feet per second) x volicity x Mass (in grains) ÷ 450240.
765 × 765 × 14.3 ÷ 450240 = 18.587 foot pounds of kenitic energy/fpe. ...and Thanks! for the specific info, it should be close to my .22 pellets in transit. And the reason the governments are banning all manor of projectile pushers is because it's part of the plan of Conquering them. As in ill-uminatti. As in 'the beast'. Seems there's a high chance II Thessalonians 2: 7 is about the real American Donald Trump. The correct word is 'restrains'. Then v 8.
energy is measured as mass x acceleration = force or energy so 12 foot pounds of energy would be 12fpe = 1000fps x weight something like that
Yassss
I use 22s as with my 177 I realised I can only go so far with it
Wdym only so far? I've killed squirrels at 200 yards. It can kill game birds too if you can shoot accurate enough (very difficult).
@@anthonyruiz7925 I just found with 22 it hits harder which on rabbits is important . It is just a opinion and I have used rats with a 177 tho and they worked good to . It’s because I don’t have a rifle liscence and only use shotguns for skeet shooting so I can only go up to the 12lb sub rifles .
here in the uk 22 sucks in less you have a fac so you can use high power 22 at 12ft pounds sucks
have had .22 most of my life recently gone .177 and accuracy is great penatration great using daystate select ft at 8.44 grains must say i do find .177 better more forgiving with range and they do the same job kill
Yes for years in the 80s we were blagged 177 wasnt good for rabbiting , but they also said promethius pellets and sussex sabos were good for hunting , them two pellets saved more rabbits than the rspca
Interactive video! 😀
Apologies, I meant INFORMATIVE video! Doh! 😀
ABSOLUTELY WRONG METHOD TO COMPARE TRAJECTORIES!!!COME ON MATES MAKE A NEW VIDEO AND USE THIS TIME YOUR LOGIC!!!
And yet you don't explain.
you can't dope 1'' of drop at 35 yards? Sad.
Question so if my sight is set for 25 yards but the squirrel 50 yards away. Am I holding above or below target to compensate?
Above. The bullet drops. You only hold under if the target is much nearer to you than the zero, because you are lobbing the projectile at the target. / Charlie
At about 20m a 22 aims as good as a 177
no not allways depends on speed of pellet etc wake up
@@tomhirons7475 well that’s common sense though isn’t it? Shouldn’t have to explain that to people. Wake up
For some reason my .22 barrel when installed shoots way too high I can't even adjust the scope enough
David Middleman + Check everything for fit and alignment. Try pop can aluminum shims in the scope mounts. Study the subject online. Call a scope mfg.
Use a scope base with included elevation
Its called point blank range
Damn i like the theme music
Rabbits hop not walk.
You never seen a rabbit walk ?
LOL. I'm killing Prairie Dogs from a 2nd story window on a rising hill out to ~60-80 yds with a crappy Gamo Whisper .22 cal. break barrel and hollow point pellets.
.177 can do that too, just depends on the shooter. I've shot coyotes with a 0.177 smooth bore 2 inch steel barrel at 395 fps at 100 yards. It won't kill but you can still hit your target if you properly adjust for drop due to velocity loss over distance. On the other hand, with a 16 inch 0.177 rifled steel barrel at 700-800 fps I've nailed game birds at 150 yards and a chunk of sheet metal at 200 yards. What I like about 0.177 is the accuracy and efficient energy transfer which means a lack of overpenetration yet it will kill vermint with ease within your eyesight view.
@@anthonyruiz7925 you lost me at shooting coyotes at 100yds with a .177… just why???
What were you drinking when you thought this was a good idea?
Just hit his ear :(
What ? I can't hear what you wrote😅
Everyone !!.... dump the .177 cal and get .20 cal. It's the best of both worlds.... it has the Fast and Flat trajectory of the .177 cal.. and the near identical impact and wound channel of the .22 cal..... "try it... you'll Love it !"
Yes... I realize that in the US (at least), Weihrauch is about the only manufacturer that you can get the .20 cal.... Virtually None of the "Mass Market" airgun manufacturers, at least none of the "American" branded guns (ie: Ruger, Winchester, Daisy, Crosman, Benjamin, etc, etc.).... nor Gamo or other "off shore" companies, are producing airguns barreled for .20 cal.... and That is a real travesty!!
If we all were email, call... Contact them... and start "hounding them"... to produce a .20 caliber... they just might. In this day and age where manufacturers like to market new products with... " YOU!!!... the customer, demanded it... and we're delivering it" type of rhetoric... it could become reality to have .20 cal airguns, become commonly available for everyone and at an affordable price... the same for the pellet ammo for them.... instead of only being able to acquire them through "high end" brands, like Weihrauch (who produces the high end "Beemans") and a few others.
Since I have owned my first .20 caliber.... I have had NO need for my .177 and .22 cal. air rifles anymore... because, the .20 cal Really is... " the best of both worlds".
The same for my modified Crosman 1377 and 1322 multi-pump pistols / carbine "rifles".... I modified one of my 1322's and replaced the barrel with a custom .20 cal barrel..... I rarely ever shoot the 1377 and 1322's anymore... especially for hunting.... my "1320" handles the squirrels, rabbits and other small game, real well.
Lets all get after the Mass Market airgun manufacturers, and "push them" for .20 and .25 caliber "On the Shelf", air rifles.... they WILL "listen"... if enough of us, "push" them for it.
2Stroke Diesel Power 20 cal is slow, longer pellet, more drag in the barrel. just go with .22, then you can add on aftermarket suppressors and actually have a nice variety of pellets to use.
heard of the eu gun ban??
No 9mm no 45 nato no 39wp no 50cal no 50bmg no other things else than a airgun.
Sir Eny low price ( .177 = 800 fps rifle) vs ( .22 = 600 fps rifle )= Rabit 🐰 hunting which caliber best sir ? =
@mark daniels OK nice coment thanks sir...
Why don't you just use paper and put cross hairs on each paper the same height off the ground . start off by putting the paper target with a crosshair on it at the farthest distance first and work your way back Keep the crosshairs of the scope lined up with the cross hair on the paper . The pellet will make a nice clean hold in every paper so you can see where the pellet is hitting next to the crosshairs you don't need chalk that is a stupid way of doing it . With the paper and the crosshairs all lined up the the scopes crosshairs you can even measure how far away the pellet is from the crosshairs . Do your video again but this time with paper .
I know that you are trying to be informative but I have a problem with your video. Yes the .177 shoots flatter than a .22 when you are limited to 12 foot pounds. But for those of us who live in a less restricted country things are different. We can own airguns that shoot heavier .22 pellets a lot faster than you can. I did a little testing.
.177 gamo nitro piston will shoot
crossman destroyer ex 7.9 grain shot 950 fps (at about 4 ft away) 15.84
foot-pounds
crossman heavies 10.5 grain shot 791 fps 14,49 foot-pounds
Hand N Rabit magnums at 15.74 grains shot 548 fps 10.5 foot-pounds
(performance really drops, I think that the tightness in the barrel is a factor here)
Yes the first two will be flat, the las t will be a lob.
Whereas my marauder .22 shoots:
cphp 14.3 at 790 fps 19.82 foot-pounds
jsbs 18.3 at 722 fps 21.19 foot-pounds
jsbs 25.39 at 631 fps 22.45 foot-pounds (all perform similarly)
all of these will be flat
I just don't think .177 guns can produce enough air to propel heavy
pellets with speed. I also just chronied my .25 marauder:
JSB's 25.39 grain at 829 fps. 38.75 foot-pounds. (I only have one weight
at this caliber)
Same gun, different caliber, shoots the same weight pellet 200 fps
faster! It will be flat.
I would need to test this but I bet my .25 marauder flys flatter than either other gun.
It would be nice to see someone shoot some .177's out of a PCP and
comment. It would be interesting to see what a .177 would shoot a 25
grain pellet at, my guess would be around 400 to 500 fps
+J Code Thanks for this. We will give the PCP a try. / Charlie
hsahahaha jeeeez....you guys arent very smart.... use card, or paper targets lol...... youve just made yourselves look like you dont know what you are talking about......
omg have to aim low at 25 yards? maybe its because you started by saying the rifle is sighted in at 35 yards lol....jesus sight the rifle in at the distance you want to hit on your reticle. otherwise thats what mil dots are for.
.177 best
just get a 308 Win and be done with it.
agree but not every one has your money and we want to have some fun with what we have
I want to know how lethal would .177 will be if i headshot a person from point blank range.. seriously im buying Mark100 with .177 pellets
complete load of rubbish. Sub 12 pcp. zero at 25 yards. Xs 5 mag. = 1 mil dot @ 40 yards. 60 yards 2.65 mil dot and 7.45 fpe.
I'd rather go with a .25 cal than a crappy .22 I have a crosman fire nitro piston in .177 and she does more than what I expected with 18ft/lb of energy and not only that she is extremely accurate.
Ivan Valentin only good .25 to get is in the PCP range.
Fly adventure river freak That garbage gun isn't doing 18 ft/lbs.
i have this rifle too and i am amazed at what it can do and how flat the trajectory is i am realy impressed with it
With the testing of the .22 cal vs the .177 cal i would like to see the same fps for both rounds to compare the two. I shoot the Gamo Swarm Magnum which shoots the .22 cal pellet at up to 1300 fps. The pellets i use have fps of over 1000 at .22 cal. with the lead pellets H & N Terminator pellets.
So looks like this guy loves .177... I sold my .177 for a .22 springer, which has a muuuch better trigger than my .177 had, but I can't hit shit with it! though I can do something real stupid with the .22 pellets. I can load them into my .22LR and put a nail gun blank behind it and push that little 15 grain prick to 2500 fps!!! Can't do that with a .177! Seriously though I could use some advice on getting my .22 springer on target. It's a Ruger, forget the model.
I'm glad it's not only me that used to do this!
TurboMitsubishi With a bit of effort you can jam a .177 into a 17hmr and push those 8.4 grain pricks hit 4000 fps and make squirrels explode. LOL
TurboMitsubishi + Some spring powered rifles are tunable, improving accuracy. Search the net, or call Pyramid Air. Study into the artillery hold; its mandatory with a springer. Personally, I'd take most stringers apart for the parts, and get a gas- powered air rifle in .22. And i Highly recommend the Benjamin Prowler. Does everything right.
That's you're problem, it's a Ruger ,get a HW97K
A wire frame in the shape of a circle with some very thin tracing paper or single ply toilet paper likely would have made targets that wouldn't affect the pellets as much as chalk does or maybe cling film so you can easily line the multiple targets up but that material stretches but at high speed I don't know if it would just give way or not
Wouldn't use anything less than 16fpe
I think in Europe where they are limited to a 12FPE gun .177 might be better choice all around. But in the states you can get 30+ FPE .22 cal. SHoots .22 at 1000 fps.
Remember you do not want any gun to shoot at 1100 fps (Speed of sound) as the shockwave will make it tumble.
So you want 900-1000 range in speed or 1400 + fps in speed.
A .22 at 950 fps is going to dominate a .177 at 950 fps in everything.
But if you can only go 700 fps I would probably go with .177.
goblin072 exactly it's all physics, plus a .22 will be more accurate at longer ranges compared to .177 but tell that to ppl who believe a .177 is still more accurate than a .22 regardless of velocity or energy
Is it bad that i killed a crow with a headshot at 72 yards with my bsa ultra se in .177 then??? It is a sub 12 flb
Would it be bad if I had killed you with a headshot at 72 yards with my rifle?
@@raytracedgaming would it be bad if salman khan stopped all the bullets with his chest and all the pellets got stuck in his chest hair?