I have no clue why people exalt human “free will” as if it’s something that can stop God in His tracks. God is an eternal being. He’s not waiting for tomorrow’s results to hit his desk so he can make up his game plan for the week. If He’s eternal, all,powerful and all knowing-how could it NOT be Him determining everything.
Thank you! Your comment is a great sum-up. I am going through a phase of life that involves getting a deeper understanding of our existence, who I really am and cutting toxicity out of my life. So when the topic of predestination vs free will came to my mind, I realized that both cannot exist because how does one determine what goes into each category. Example: If someone goes to college on the east coast and after graduation ends up in the pacific northwest with a job, married and kids. Which one was free will and which one was predestined? We cannot just pick and choose how we want to classify every situation that happens. I came to the conclusion that everything is predestined and we are here to learn lessons needed for the next level of existence after death. There's a lot more that brought me to that conclusion but that's the gist of it.
@@ShanandHailey Yeah it is amazing, happy for you. Do not do what you used to do and be very careful of unbelieving friends, they would love for you to walk in darkness with them.
@@robertdouglas8895 It is God's sovereign choice who he saves. Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
God does not predestine certain individuals, He has simply predestined (chosen before the foundation of the world) to save anyone (through His way) All those that will take the time to study and surrender to the truth allowing the Holy spirit to write the principles into their heart (mind)
@Harold Zwingley I understand what you are saying because many have that view however the only thing that is predestined is the work of the Lord, His way of salvation, laws, faith etc this is predestined and unchangeable. But we the people have to be accepted or chosen (by the Father) based upon our walking in harmony to the faithful path that He has set out 🙏 If our lives are predestined, that would mean we didn't have a choice. No one would need to work out their salvation or watch and pray to not enter into temptation. (See Rev 22:12,14) to see who is rewarded and blessed
@Soldier it is possible for God to do something that challenges our logic however everything pertaining to our salvation does have logic and reason to it, so that we can give an answer for our beliefs and be a faithful witness If something has a Pre-destined path that means it is set and doesn't have a choice Previously Mr H Zwingley commented that the Lord has chosen people and this choosing reveals that they are Predestined but when we look at Genesis 7:1 we see that Noah was chosen for a reason Why was Noah chosen, was it because of predestination? Not at all, Noah was chosen because he and his family were the few righteous people in that generation. If they had no choice to be righteous, then that would also mean that the other people had no choice to be unrighteous and wicked.
Listen to this explanation again. Some are predestined for salvation and others have to accept salvation. Those who say what's the use if they are not predestined. The point is none of us know who is predestined, but we all know salvation is offered to all. By the way, nothing we do (works) will increases our chances of salvation. Loving the Lord will. Why would anyone just give up? Why assume you are not one of the predestined?
I agree, while it’s never made clear who is predestined. The fact that you and I and many others somehow came to know Christ, and hopefully continuing in faith is nothing short of a testament to God’s grace.
@@dumdumdrums5896 while technically true that God’s grace knows no bounds, that isn’t a call for us to keep sinning. Taking Grace for granted. Because, the reality is for those who believed and are saved, that we are different people. No longer people who were alienated from God but, now adopted as children of God through Christ. If we truly understand the gospel and love God, then we are to live our whole lives in a manner which shows this profound truth. Refer to Romans 6
Thank you for all of your comments. Wendy, I was in Bible study tonight and broke down in tears weeping, after we talked about predestination. I didn’t fully understand it and I felt like… What’s the point? Why spread the gospel? If God has a predestination, then what is our purpose? I was so confused. The women of my Bible study were so gracious and loving, and try to help me understand but I still felt very upset. I love God with all my heart, and I have truly given in my life to him, turned from my sins and repented. I have a new life in Jesus, and although I struggle with a few things, like most of us. I live my life for Christ, and try and show that through all the things I do. I came into Bible study tonight feeling like I was a safe person, and then after talking about predestination feeling like I wasn’t sure anymore. But after reading your comment and the comments that followed, I understand that you Wendy, and myself, our chosen ones. The lightbulb finally came on. God has predestined us to be saved, through his grace alone, not because we’re good people or deserve it. But because God has chosen us and we were born to except the gift of grace. I understand that not everyone was born to accept the gift of grace, people who don’t want to believe the truth, don’t want to live without their sin, and don’t want to know the Lord‘s love. Those are the people who aren’t chosen, but those of us who are will feel the Holy Spirit and know his love and follow him. So my fear of not being saved anymore is gone, and I think you are for sharing your thoughts and helping make it so clear in my head. God bless you all, and praise God for his love and mercy.
Hey, Amy! I put a reply to a different comment of yours, but I wanted to personalize it more to your situation. First off, your words bring hope. God may have used me to help you, but what you've said helped me. Thank you! You're very right. The people who are not chosen are the ones who choose to reject and often mock God or His ways all the way to the grave, which are many. Although we must be aware that there are some who openly deny God, but come to faith later in life. We can judge people in certain ways as Christians (John 7:24), but we have to be careful not to judge the heart, which only Jesus does on judgement day. (1 Corinthians 4:5) Now, I would like to add that purpose back into your life! Although God knows who will be saved and who won't, we don't, but our purpose doesn't lie in saving people because we don't save them, God does. Salvation is purposed by the Father, accomplished by the Son, and applied by the Holy Spirit. So our purpose instead lies in our faithfulness to God and the shared ruling over the earth that He entrusts to us. It's kind of like a wonderful, glorious king who's helped you and helps everyone in his kingdom, and he asks you to take care of and collect wool from some sheep he owns so he can make clothes and bedding for the homeless villagers. He could easily do it himself, or get someone else if you don't want to do it, but because you would love nothing more than to please this king, you find purpose in pleasing him and in being a necessary component to the overall work needed to be done. (Another analogy I like is a proud father who goes up to everyone and says, "Look there! That's my son/daughter!" Like about Job in Job 1:8) God saves people, but He chooses to use us to do it. Paul touches on this in Romans: How then can they call on the One in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” Romans 10:14-15 BSB You may not know who will be saved, and God can use others instead, but how wonderful is it a feeling to possibly be part of someone being saved and putting a smile on God's face at the same time!? Just make sure you never compromise God's wonderful news. Quality over quantity. Not many will accept God's true revelation, but that's better then giving a bunch of people a false hope through an "easy" gospel. There's a reason there were only 12 disciples. (John 6:59-66) I have a feeling you'll make a huge impact for the Kingdom, Amy! Keep fighting the good fight! Much love, Sister!
@@dylanapfelmann7461 So,I want to get this straight. You believe that some are randomly selected while others have no real choice to make based on all of God’s provisions? You believe many are called but only those who are given the ability to believe and receive Jesus are going to be saved while the others are judged for not believing even though they can not without God causing them to?? Ok,since I know the answer is a resounding “YES” then I’d like to give you an example and then provide a few verses from the Bible. : A baby is commanded to run a marathon..however,the baby cannot even crawl yet God throws the baby (symbolic,not a literal baby) in Hell for not being able to run the marathon? That’s silly! 1 Timothy 4:10, Matthew 23:37,Isaiah 45:19 Obviously John 3:16,Deuteronomy 11:26-28. AND MANY MANY MORE! You see,God gives us all a choice and He is Sovereign over them all. Amen 🙏 I agree with some of Calvinism HOWEVER I reject some of it because it is CLEARLY uncharacteristic of God to just randomly choose someone to be saved and “screw the other guy!” Example : Esau,I created you to go to Hell AND I HATE YOU!! Lol wow dude.
NOOOOOOO! Please READ... 2 Timothy 2:20-21 Please dont believe that. Predestined to a calling for Gods pleasure & His will ( pastor, evangelist, etc, etc) confirmed by the verse I just noted in Timothy The predestination idea goes against like 99% scripture. Everywhere bible teaches its OUR free will to reject or accept Jesus Im paraphrasing verses... - sin is what separates us ( our choice) - Seek me with heart & you shall find me. - he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but EVERYONE to come to repentance. - Draw near to God, He will draw near to you - Call on the name of the Lord amd you shall be saved Bible says for ( John 3:16l God so loved the WORLD ( not the chosen/predestined/elect) that He gave His only Son WHOEVER believes in Him shouldnt perish. John 3:17... God sent his Son not to condemn but to SAVED I pray this will remove that lie from your heart and you be overcomed with His love & peace God is a good good Father❤❤❤
@@nicholascarter6543 Are you unfamiliar with God "randomly" choosing to be Israel's people? Have you read the Old Testament? God fought for the Israelites and destroyed hundreds of thousands (more like, millions) of people, because they were against Israel. Also remember, God destroyed everyone on the ENTIRE planet except for Noah and his small family. He is GOD, He can do as He chooses, and WILL do as He chooses. Anything and everything in the universe is His creation, and is sovereign over all things, including our salvation.
Some of these comments prove why the doctrine of predestination (Calvinism) is so sad. It puts Christians into a fatalistic spiral. "What's the point of spreading the gospel if God has already decided who will be saved"? Here is how I see it. If free will is true, and it is, then Calvinism is false. But if predestination is true, and it is, then Armenianism (total rejection of predestination) is false. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Undefined by scholars. Don't worry about predestination vs free will. God has given us both. And we don't know what measure of both we have been given. Is there more predestination than free will? Don't know. So do what Jesus told you to do. Spread the Gospel. Bring as many into the Kingdom as possible. Because we won't fully understand what God meant by predestination vs free will until we are with Him forever. It might not be what we think.
@@tacocookie1015 , Interesting. Free will is also perfectly clear in the Bible. Why didn't you defend it with the same fervor? Why do you only want to take one side of what God has said? Does God know the future? Did God know the future before He created the world? Could God have selected a different future, where more people got saved, but there would be less free will? Could the fact that He selected this future instead of a different one qualify as "Predestination"? Again, did God know every single decision you would ever make before He created the universe? Did you ever surprise Him? Even once? If you did surprise Him, even once, He is not omniscient. Therefore, you never surprised Him, because He is omniscient. This is just one possible answer to why the Bible speaks of free will and predestination. Perhaps someone smarter than me has another explanation.
@@Kahless_the_Unforgettable I'm just asking for you to define your terms because it's unclear to me how something can be halfway predetermined and halfway free will. But yes, God does know the future because he authored the future. "Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient time things not yet done, saying, 'My counsel will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish" (Isaiah 46:10). I think you might be confused about what Calvinism says, because it's basically what you're describing. God's sovereignty doesn't work counter to our wills, but through our wills. So we make real decisions, and yet, God has ordained all things that come to pass. Man can choose to so all that is in his nature to choose, but we don't have Adam's unfallen nature that can choose between good and evil. Until we are born again by the Spirit, man in his fallen state is always freely choosing to reject God, and will not choose to submit to him without the new birth. So we are responsible for our own decisions, and God also has decided who he will save.
@@tacocookie1015 , I've spoken to many Calvinists. I've seen many videos on the subject. Perhaps they don't understand the doctrine as well as you. But Free Will is never emphasized by them like it is in the Word. You are the first Calvinist I've ever heard of that spoke of free will at all. So, using your own objection: How would God halfway free will something? I don't see how it's possible for something to be open ended and pre-determined. (*Not my actual position) Do you see how your second comment defeats your first comment?
@@Kahless_the_Unforgettable I see how you would think my second comment defeats my first comment, but my stance, and the doctrines of Calvinism, says that something can be fully predestined by God, and a choice that was freely chosen by man. When Calvinists speak against free will, they're generally speaking to the fact that man's fallen nature will not choose God and will only choose to sin (For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot Romans 8:7). But Calvinism does not negate that man is responsible for their choices i.e. man's will is not externally restricted in what it can choose. It is however internally restricted by the actors nature, and as man in his fallen state will not choose God. Nothing outside himself is restricting him, it is his own nature that cause him to necessarily reject God. So both predestination and man's choices can work together without compromising one or the other.
If God predetermined that some go to Heaven, then it's impossible that He has not predestined others to Hell, which proves His favoritism of some over others, which in turn disproves He is just and loving, because if you are condemned before birth, there's nothing you can do to change it.
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone. Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Calvinism wants to assert that God arbitrarily predestines some few to Heaven and the majority to hell. BUT the Bible clearly teaches God's predestination is based on His FOREKNOWLEDGE.
It's just a bad take on scripture or explanation of scripture...to me it should be filed along side purgatory and only a 144,000 will go to heaven. It's bad teaching and false teaching.
This is something I've struggled with for a long time but I wanted to say to the people who this gives you an uncomfortable feeling...if God didn't choose then no one would come and then we all be going to hell together without any hope. He rescued us because we are so sinful we wouldn't want to come, because His offer is to everyone, anyone COULD accept the gift, His offer is genuine to everyone but no was wants it you see, because of sin, and being blind, and spiritually dead. So God chose to rescue some of us anyway and we can thank Him forever for it. We have to remember because we are broken with sin we can't understand and accept things about God but we can always trust He is doing the right thing. Also after all He has done, even since the old testament, the beginning of time, and the new testament after giving us Jesus to be tortured and killed in a horrible way, and having to deal with us sinning for a life time, doesn't God have the right to choose? Doesn't He have the right to say like in the flood I'm going to take you sinful creatures all out. He only saved 8 people in the ark. But He is saving a huge amount of people now. We should try to see this as the glass half full. He told Abraham, try to count the stars if you can, that's how many of us He has saved, He has saved ALOT of people. And if you put your faith in Jesus to pay for your sin you are saved. We can't worry about God's side of things, we have no control over that. But we DO have a responsibility to believe and have faith, and accept the gift and apply it to us, and the Bible says He will not ever cast anyone out that wants to be. So regardless of what the truth is, you have a responsibility to accept the gift and walk this journey as a disciple out. If you still feel scared or upset then pray and ask Him to help you with it. It's okay 😊
I totally see where you’re coming from, but we have to also realize that because of the agony of the cross, and all that it entailed, it wouldn’t make sense if it was just for a few people. It was for everybody and anybody who chooses to receive His free gift of eternal life. Yes, most people will reject Christ, but it not like they never had a chance. Do you really believe it’s in the nature of God to create people for the sole purpose of sending them to an ultimate like a fire? Does that even make sense to you? It doesn’t to me, and I’m so grateful that our Savior died to give EVERYONE a chance to be with Him in eternity. “And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2)
@@Gloriagal78 God didn't make anyone to send them to hell. They will go there to pay for their crimes, a lifetime of sin. God never had to even make one way, which He genuinely offers to everyone, God wants everyone to be saved. The gift is there for anyone to take. But to all who did recieve Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, but who would take that One way without the Lord opening our eyes to the truth? We can't give that to ourselves because we are too corrupt with sin. This is a very uncomfortable and humbling truth because it means that we were all condemned already John 3:18, that we are like guilty criminals before a judge and our sentence is death and eternal punishment. Everyone is already condemned to their sentencing. It means that our forgiveness was actually not in our control, that we were helpless and hopeless and it is totally and completely depending on God's mercy. That's very uncomfortable, but when I read the Bible and see the progression and with His chosen people the blindness He has given to them, they literally cannot see Jesus except the precious few, how should they see what they cannot see? The Bible says that people are blinded by Satan. The jews especially are blinded by God for their rejecting Jesus when He came, but the rest of us are blinded by Satan. How should a blind person give themselves sight? Can we remove the veil over our eyes if we don't even know it's there to begin with?? How could we even if we did know? If you have a look at the people in Revelation, they will have the 144,000 witnessing to the world, the two witnesses, Catastrophic events, Angels flying in the sky speaking the gospel and warning people not to take the mark, and people still choose sin and the devil and his antichrist. People choose sin and evil because we are sinful and evil, we have every chance to choose good and God's way through Jesus, but we don't choose it you see? No one does, God tells us that in Romans. No one seeks God. It's by the drawing work of the Father John 6 and the work of the Holy Spirit John 3 that a person will be able and persuaded to choose Him back, otherwise we would all be lost because we love our sin. Not so with the Christian, they hate the sin they do, but before we were saved we loved it. We owe our salvation to God completely. I continue to pray for salvation of others, though I know the fullness of the Gentiles are numbered, Romans 11:25. And what else I tell myself is, after all God has done, and all we have done to Him, doesn't He deserve to choose on whom He will have mercy, and to who He will give grace too? He doesn't have to give it to anyone. He would be right, good and just to punish evil, just like a judge is good and right and just to punish criminals guilty of heinous crimes repeatedly against the judge himself, and that's everyone. It is out of the over and above abundance of love that the judge would make his own son pay for our heinous crimes, which no judge on earth would ever do, by a torturous death, and not only that make us a child? And love us like his own? I mean that's overwhelming! But it's His choice to do that. Imagine then the people saying to the judge who was willing to do that for them " NO, I don't want your gift! I hate you!" Is it not then the choice of the Judge to draw that criminal by love and the work of the Holy Spirit? Because when you start to realise that's what's going on in our own lives, it's an overwhelming thing that I can only face in the loving arms of my Father and Lord that chose to love me even at my darkest. And if you read ephesians 1, you will see, He chose us a long time ago before He created the world to be His children. He chose people then who He would pull out of darkness Colossians 1:13. Do you see? If you start to see what I'm saying while you read the Bible, and you get the overwhelming feelings please feel to reach out to me. It's a big realization. But you can only see I as you read the Bible and the Holy Spirit reveals the words that are there And we read but cannot fully see until then suddenly we can see it.
@@mommaof6 In Romans, the Word forknew in Greek word is proginóskó: to know beforehand, and predestined is proorizó: to predetermine, foreordain. For Ephesians I'd say also go back to Ephesians 1, He also did this for the good pleasure of His will and for the praise of His glory. And going back to Ephesians 2, I think verse 9 or 10 says this salvation is a gift not of ourselves so that no one may boast. Also in 1 Corinthians 1:26-28 Brothers, consider the time of your calling: Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were powerful; not many were of noble birth.But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are,so that no one may boast in His presence. And if you want to be a bit humbled and crushed then read romans 9. But I think it's meant to be positive, our sinful state doesn't allow us to see everything as it is. We will know the complete truth one day.
@@taralanger9279 Hello. I went to your playlist section and I see that you have a playlist named 'Yoga', do you promote or practice yoga? Sincerely, Niranjan.
@@Seeker7257 no I am very against it now. My friend at church once introduced me to it but the Lord then showed me the truth about it. I do not practice it in any way, I just am not good about clearing those things out. I will now though.
Anyone who thinks we have free will has yet to mature into the realization of God's election and sovereignty. If you love Jesus, READ YOUR BIBLE and stop trying to figure it out with human reasoning. God. Saved. Us. We did not play a single part in our salvation. When you follow Jesus, it isn't because you "accepted" His "offer" of salvation, it is because He saved you, and awakened you to this truth, and called you, and you cannot resist Him once He has determined to redeem you. And He already did that in eternity past. Praise be to Him! Maranatha!
I'm confused. So you said "when you foIIow Jesus( which means you chose to right) then you said there's nothing you can do to resist him. So so I have a say in this relationship or not. 🤔😅
@@mlady8137 When someone follows Jesus, it is because God has given them to ability to do so, and made it their only option. Jesus said my sheep can never be plucked out of my hand. As an unelect sinner, one cannot choose to follow Christ. One cannot choose to believe the gospel. An elect saint is purchased by God using Christ's blood as currency, their eyes are opened to their need for forgiveness, which God has given, and they are freed from the slavery of sin and made a slave to Christ instead. Whatever "choosing" or obedience we make in regard to Christ is negligible because He has already overridden our will and wet need only to submit to it. Which, again, a saved person can't refuse.
"As many as were elected unto eternal life, believed" ..... God is totally sovereign. But man has genuine choice. How does this fit together??? Nobody knows. But both are absolutely true!!!
thankfully predestination is not a central doctrine of the Bible. John 3:16 is a major problem for predestination believers. Jesus says for "whoever" believes shall be saved.
@@OwenRowe-hx2mz brother relax. Instead of attacking me, maybe try and correct me? I had to correct myself by looking into the Hebrew translation. Please be careful with how you interact with other people especially those in the faith. I forgive you.
@@OwenRowe-hx2mz I just said I went and searched the Hebrew, it says "will" be saved. Which means, yes, I welcome correction. The issue with your response is you didn't attempt to correct me and immediately went to shaming me. As I said, I forgive you. Now I suggest praying to the Lord for forgiveness on your end.
This is why I can have such a better appreciation and adoration for the beauty of salvation. I did not do anything to grant my salvation, but God viewed a wretch like me and decided to save me with no merit of my own. Hallelujah and praise God for this. The doctrine of predestination should be viewed with the beauty of God’s gracious gift rather than an angry, wrathful God
God does not choose people to be saved. He gives eternal life to them that BELIEVE in Jesus as our only hope of heaven apart from any works. Romans 4:5-8. Acts 16:31. Hebrews 13:5. John 6:47. John 12:32. God calls all men to believe the gospel and be saved. First Corinthians 1:18-21. John 3:18.
See you in heaven Brother. John 3:18. Calvinism makes the cross of no effect and makes salvation by what we do instead of what Jesus did for us. They pervert the gospel of Christ, which is all grace apart from works.
Yes it does! However if you watch John Piper’s message on predestination, he will explain that gos is so generous and loving 🙄 as to not allow his desire for all of us to be saved to override his sovereignty over who will be chosen to be saved. Yeah. Further… he uses those who aren’t saved to be an “example of judgement” for the others. Abs finally, as you see this pastor here say, we “all deserve to die” so I guess those lucky few who are saved are exactly that - “lucky” and those of us who aren’t saved should shut our mouths and take our licks into hell for eternity because “we didn’t deserve to go to heaven in the first place”. Yeah. Well to that I say “nobody asked me to be put on this earth either” so why do I have to be sentenced to an eternity to hell and torment when I didn’t even really get the right to “choose” God anyway? Riddle me that!? That leads me to believe God is not really loving at all. I mean. Really. I have been chasing after God for 3 decades and could never find myself where other “Christians” are in there faith and have struggled with what I have called some kind of barrier I couldn’t seem to cross in my relationship into falling in love with him (I was “saved” A YOUNG CHILD THROUGH HELLFIRE AND BRIMSTONE; then was baptized in my mid- 20’s) I have hosted Bible studies for years at my house, still send my children to Christian schools, , I’ve turned my other check to so much outlandish adversity in my life (swallowing the Christina rhetoric that somehow this was all for my good and for the ultimate glory of God) and now I suffer horrendous unimaginable unending, incurable and un-helpable physical suffering and I’ve tried to find a way to make sense of all this in the eyes of a loving God and I’ve been studying predestination (among other biblical concepts that seem to also hinder my ability to see the good and love in God) and this is exactly what I’ve come to find: that God plays favorites! The reason why I could never fall in love with God was because of this predestination barrier! I’ve been taught my whole life that “anise over belies in his shouos not perish but have everlasting life” in Heaven with God, but now I know why I cannot build a relationship with him no matter how much I’ve stayed on the “faith train” and tried to wait for God to reveal himself to me so I could “experience a peace that surpasses all understanding” ans a “relationship filled with love ans xomfort like I’ve never known”. ThT reason is predestination. It all makes sense now. I’m not welcome to be in God’s family. I’m oredestined since before birth to be condemned to hell abs there’s nothing I can do about it. I can believe in God ans get my headrest to love him but nothing I will ever do will make him predestined me to heaven. “I cannot earn my way to heaven” is what I’ve been told my whole life, “lest any man should boast”. But the fact is the matter is, all my “asking, seeking, knocking, waiting on God to meet me where I am, prayer, asking forgiveness, reading, studying, and memorizing scripture, raising my children in the Lord, following the Commandments of the Bible and turning my other cheek to other atrocities in my life all in “Jesus’ name” doesn’t make me worthy of God’s love and salvation. HE put me here and now HE ALONE decides if I’m predestined to heaven or hell regardless of my “faith as tiny as a mustard seed”. It’s rubbish. It’s cruel. It’s mean. And regardless of what this pastor here says, it IS COMPLETELY UNFAIR”!!!! No, pastor, it’s not the same as your little analogy to the guy who wants to give out money to a group of people mall-goers of his choosing. It’s HIS MONEY to choose to do with it what he damn well pleases and to give it to whom he damn well pleases. We are talking about eternal torment here, not $15 bucks. BIG DIFFERENCE! We are talking about how we are fed lies in the Christian faith that all we have to do is believe in him and “turn and sin no more”, to ask for forgiveness and to serve and love the lord with all your heart, soulful , mind, and strength, and to pray ans all these things will be added to you” but here we see none of that is even true!!!!!Predestination blows the whole Christian faith to pieces. It answers many questions for years that have baffled me about my own inability to grow close to god despite my having a good church and spending quality time in the word and only surrounding myself with Christians, etc. It’s AO UNFAIR. INWOUOS RATHER HAVE NEVER BEEN CREATED THAN TO BE CREATED JUST TO BE TORMENTED in heaven for eternity and on earth before that. Like what gives? How is that even loving?? It’s not. Ans predestination really puts everything into perspective and is a huge disappointment to me. I want so badly to believe God is good, to be in love with him, to have a peace that surpasses understanding, but there is a barrier to my relationship shop with Chris abs it’s a barrier god out bothers himself: predestination. It’s needless suffering and it’s unfair and I’m so sad that be been lord to for over 3 decades. Heart crushing. 💔 Unfair. Mean 😠. Horrifying.
@@Cursed4Life8 Thank you so much for your wonderful reply. I have found a study on the sovereignty of God and the story of Job to help a bit in my understanding of God, but, I confess I am struggling with the predestination doctrine. Thank you again for sharing your heart. 🙏🙏🙏😉
I as a layperson have spent a significant amount of time studying this topic. I have come to the conclusion that no one can repent unless he is drawn by the Holy Spirit, and some people are drawn and others are not. I am uncertain as to the basis on which God decides who to draw/not draw. I believe that He makes this decision at least in part on the basis of what glorifies Him, or His master plan. I strongly recommend that we not spend much time thinking about this, because it is detrimental to our mental and spiritual health. I say that in the upmost seriousness.
Yes, I’ve read comments of people saying they committed themselves into an insane asylum because of their worry over certain scriptures like this one. Thank you for your thoughtful comment.
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone. Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
I agree with your conclusion. This topic is a breeding ground for dissention. Each one should reach their own conclusion and not look down on the others. I think we have free will and that God already knows how we will exercise it. Since he foreknew, he predestined, called, justified, and glorified. (Romans 8:29-30) We are not saved by our works, but we are saved by our choice to believe in Jesus - not to our own credit, because without God's plan we would have nothing to believe in!
@@lukejuras8024 Firstly, pre-destination is a false doctrine created by the devil to give God a bad image of being unfair and hating humans. This false doctrine gives some humans pride where they think they are better than others by default so they have a license to sin whereas Jesus said in Luke 13:3 “Unless you repent you will likewise perish” (See also 1 Corinthians 6:9)
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments). Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments). Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
@@phillipaj.5588 Cornelius and his family in Acts 10:1-2 were God fearing people who prayed to God and gave alms to the poor which triggered an opportunity for them to hear the Gospel where they would hear it and believe it to be saved. Consequently, Simon Peter was summoned to bring them the Gospel message - Acts 10:9-48, Acts 11:14. Cornelius and his family certainly feared God and prayed to God, but they were not saved until the Gospel message was brought to them where they believed it and got saved - Acts 11:14. However, there are many unsaved people who fear and seek after God with their works hoping to attain salvation on that errant premise. This includes many devout Roman Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Calvinists, Arminians, etc, etc, who all fear and seek after God and follow the commands of God, BUT are not saved as they all have another "Jesus" who is not the same Jesus of the Bible.
@@phillipaj.5588 Cornelius and his family in Acts 10:1-2 were God fearing people who prayed to God and gave alms to the poor which triggered an opportunity for them to hear the Gospel where they would hear it and believe it to be saved. Consequently, Simon Peter was summoned to bring them the Gospel message - Acts 10:9-48, Acts 11:14. Cornelius and his family certainly feared God and prayed to God, but they were not saved until the Gospel message was brought to them where they believed it and got saved - Acts 11:14. However, there are many unsaved people who fear and seek after God with their works hoping to attain salvation on that errant premise. This includes many devout Roman Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Calvinists, Arminians, etc, etc, who all fear and seek after God and follow the commands of God, BUT are not saved as they all have another "Jesus" who is not the same Jesus of the Bible.
Everything that happens in history has been decreed/Predestined before the world was created see Eph 1:11, Proverbs 16:33 and Amos 3:6. And yes even when terrible things happen, I know it's hard for some people to accept but look what happened when David sinned against God and one of Davids punishments was that God told him that he was going to use Davids own son to shame his Father by Absalom Absalom doing something immoral to his Fathers concubines in front of all of Israel, see 2 Samuel 12:11-12 God said "Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." Notice how God said "I WILL DO THIS THING."That was fulfilled in 2 Samuel 16:21-22. Jesus did not die for every single person ever and Jesus didn't die to make people savable. He died to save his elect. In John 17:9 Jesus said that he does not pray for the world. The word world is used in different contexts, in that context he's talking about the non elect. In John 3:16 world means that he purchased people from every tribe, tongue and nation Rev 5:9 and for the children of God scattered abroad John 11:52. Some have been "long beforehand marked out for condemnation" Jude 4 and "appointed to doom." 1 Peter 2:8. About Pharaoh God said “For this VERY PURPOSE I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Rom 9:17-18. Jesus said "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:25-27. So, 2 Pet 3:9 the "not willing that any should perish" if you read that letter in context, 2 Pet 1:1 says "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours." As far as salvation for all men verses, Paul was refuting the false notion of his time that God was only desiring to save just the Jews and 1 Tim 2:2 says to pray "for kings and all who are in authority" because as humans WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE SO WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE! That's what it means in verse 4 by saying "all men." Amos 3:2 God said "of all the nations of the earth I have only known you." For centuries God passed over the majority of humankind because this verse isn't about knowledge it's about relationship. And it isn't because God foresaw Israel was more righteous then the other nations because sometimes Israel was more sinful then the pagan nations see 2 Kings 21:9. Only those who were predestined to be saved will be see Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-5, Eph 1:11, Romans 9:11-23, John 6:37.
I heard a helpful illustration once that went something like this. Picture someone walking into a room. Above the outside door is written "chosen by God". On the inside of the same door is inscribed "whosever will"
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments). Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Calvinism wants to assert that God arbitrarily predestines some few to Heaven and the majority to hell. BUT the Bible clearly teaches God's predestination is based on His FOREKNOWLEDGE.
This tears my heart out, knowing that some of my precious grandchildren may be predestined to have no hope of heaven. I cannot bring myself yo accept this.
It’s definitely a hard doctrine to swallow. It’s taken me years of research and understanding it to even remotely accept it. Although I believe God does elect and does predestine, keep in mind he also does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked, and he wants your grandchildren to come to repentance. It’s what I like to call the perfect paradox. Continue being salt and life in your grandchildrens lives and trust in the Lord our God
@@TheMackyD If God predestined some to be saved and some to perish, it does absolutely no good to witness to anyone. Nor pray for anyone. You can't have it both ways....either predestined for hell or God is not willing that any should perish. Pick one.
@@ricknofzinger but…the Bible literally teaches both 💀 you’re right, God is not illogical. But our tiny little human brains cannot comprehend such a Holy God and if God says in his word that he elects and predestines but also wants all to come to repentance then I cannot ignore that. It’s not pick one and ignore the rest of scripture. It’s trust God and his sovereignty and believe and trust his Word. His Word teaches both, so I believe both. God isn’t black and white, he’s Holy and his ways are not our ways. We cannot comprehend how the eternal God thinks. Sorry, it’s not a matter of pick one and reject the other. I just believe the bible
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone. Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
2:35 Here's where your analogy fails miserably. The man handing out the money didn't predestine the fall, resulting in all of those 15 people being condemned to eternal judgment. According to the Calvinist Westminster Confession of Faith, God ordains whatsoever comes to pass, which would include the fall of man. That means that He ordained that all of humanity fall into condemnation, and only gives a minority that He chose the faith that is necessary for salvation. If God did that then He is not just, and the God of the Bible is just.
Firstly, pre-destination is a false doctrine created by the devil to give God a bad image of being unfair and hating humans. This false doctrine gives some humans pride where they think they are better than others by default so they have a license to sin whereas Jesus said in Luke 13:3 “Unless you repent you will likewise perish” (See also 1 Corinthians 6:9)
A Calvinist understanding of Predestination lays the blame for the Lost at Gods feet and not on the individual person who refuses Christ. This error makes God responsible for Evil in this World and not the Sinner.
In Jeremiah 7 God says, "People built places to sacrifice their children (in fire) to foreign gods, and He (God) says, "I did NOT COMMAND this, nor did it enter my mind." So, who do we believe, Jeff Durbin, RC Sproul, James White, John Piper or God Almighty and His Holy Word, the Bible? So, while God does predestine some things, this verse clearly says NOT everything. It's like a university predestining a football team (they WILL have a team next season) but giving free will to players themselves to decide whether or not to come out for that team. God, in His Sovereignty, has the POWER to give mankind a certain degree of free will to choose or reject Him and His Christ. This free will, given to man by God, started in the garden when God said to Adam and Eve, "You can eat from any tree in the garden except the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil." God did NOT say, "You MUST eat from all of the trees except the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil," rather He gave them a choice to eat from whatever trees they chose except that one specific tree. And by the way, they CHOSE to disobey and eat from the very tree God said don't eat of it. These are just a few of the MANY verses that speak of people making a choice; where Calvinism says, there is "No choosing" God decides. Isaiah 56:4 says, "For this is what the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who CHOOSE what pleases me..." Isaiah 65:12 says, "...I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and CHOSE what displeases me.” Isaiah 7:15 says, "...He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and CHOOSE the right..." Proverbs 3:31 says, "... Envy thou not the oppressor, and CHOOSE none of his ways." 1 Chronicles 21:11 says, "So Gad went to David and said to him, “This is what the Lord says: ‘Take your CHOICE: three years of famine, three months of being swept away before your enemies, with their swords overtaking you, or three days of the sword of the Lord..."
Hey Mike I agree with everything you put in your note. Calvinist are three steps away from a Straight Jacket. It's Scary frankly. have a good day.@@Mike-qt7jp
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone. Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Let’s not overlook foreknew before we jump on the predestined bandwagon. God knows who will choose Him or reject Him before we are born and therefore predestines. IMHO!
This is really simple. If Jesus died for all, then why are there people in hell right now? Is it because they did not choose Him? What? Does that mean His sacrifice and power over death was not stronger than their "free will"? Huh? Isn't God sovereign over ALL? ... See the problem there everyone? The problem starts when we think that ourselves, our families, and our friends deserve heaven. No, we do not. We deserve hell because no one is righteous, not even one. We are evil savages. Remove our laws and you'll see how totally depraved we are. Heck, even with laws, the world is passing morally bankrupt laws like abortion and promoting homosexuality. Ask any TRUE believer of biblical predestination, they will tell you that they are NOT DESERVING of it. While if you read some of the whiny commenters here, you'll see them crying like chumps and that they all claim to be deserving of heaven and that God is unfair. 🙄🙄🙄
God does whatever pleases Him. It is said many times in the Bible. Predestination or not, i'm so grateful im saved. God: "Who is this that obscure my plans without words of knowledge?" God is the only one who saves. It's simple
No, that isn't what the Bible teaches. God doesn't merely foreknow everything, he foreordains everything. Read Romans 9:11-24, John 6, Acts 13:48, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, and James 1:18.
The issue for me is that if I am not called, I end up being a pawn for God in his plan to save others. I didn't have any say in being created either. If I knew I would end up in hell because I was not elect and could do nothing to change my destiny, I would rather not have been created if hell is what's in store for me.
Yes this is what I’m trying to figure out. This is what is confusing me. I need to figure this out for myself. But yes you said exactly what I am feeling.
@@SuperDhollis you know what a Calvinist answer to my objection would be? They would say that God is not unfair in doing this, because we all deserve hell anyway. Meaning, if justice had its way, all are going to hell and God is under no obligation to grant mercy to all but he will grant it to whoever he wants to grant mercy to. But this answer still doesn't remove the fact that some end up being created for the deliberate purpose of going to eternal hell so that others may go to heaven. It seems to be an attempt to make God "look" merciful to some. Be in reality it is the outlook of a cruel God in my opinion. Calvinism would perhaps be fair if hell didn't exist, yet heaven still existed where God chose some to be in his loving presence for all eternity, but at no cost to his other creations. Maybe I will develop my thoughts further as I learn more, but this is where I'm at right now.
@@phetmozhey thanks for responding. Maybe we can help each other through the journey. I believe in God and Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. But lately I been feeling like if we are predestined than how can we ensure we are saved. Than how would we even know we are walking the right path if it turns out we were damned from the beginning. Plus the things that have happened and is happening in my life now, I’m like was that meant to be. It’s just a lot to think about and I’m trying to figure it out.
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone. Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Calvinistic "predestination" is no different from the Islamic doctrine of fatalism. 1) The Islamic Surah Ibrahim 14:4 - "And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and ALLAH SENDS ASTRAY(THEREBY) WHOM HE WILLS AND GUIDES WHOM HE WILLS. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise." 2) The Islamic Surah 2:6-7 states, "It is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe. ALLAH HAS SET A SEAL ON THEIR HEARTS AND ON THEIR HEARING. AND ON THEIR EYES IS A VEIL; GREAT IS THE CHASTISEMENT THEY INCUR." 3) John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, section 5 - "SOME ARE PREORDAINED TO ETERNAL LIFE, OTHERS TO ETERNAL DAMNATION, and accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death." 4) "That owing to one man all pass into condemnation who are born of Adam unless they are born again in Christ, even as He has appointed them to be regenerated, before they die in the body, whom He PREDESTINATED TO EVERLASTING LIFE, as the most merciful bestower of grace; while to those whom He HAS PREDESTINATED TO ETERNAL DEATH, He is also the most righteous awarder of punishment not only on account of the sins which they add in the indulgence of their own will, but also because of their original sin, even if, as in the case of infants, they add nothing thereto. Now this is my definite view on that question, so that the hidden things of God may keep their secret, without impairing my own faith." - Augustine, City of God, On the Soul and its Origin, Book 4, Chapter 16. 5) In Islam, in the 2nd stage of "Taqdeer" (fate), it states that "Allah made a divine decree after the creation of Adam. Allah took out all of the progeny of Adam (i.e. all of the humans from the beginning of time until the end of time), and asked them "Am I not your Lord?" and all of the humans responded "We testify that You are our Lord!" THEN ALLAH DECREED TO THEM WHO SHALL GO TO PARADISE AND WHO SHALL GO TO HELL." 6) In Islam, Allah is exalted and pleased as he sends people to hell: this is the fatalistic claim of Islam. Fatalism is a belief that events are fixed in advance for all time in such a manner that human beings are powerless to change them. In this case, Allah will send to heaven whomever he pleases, and send to hell whomever he pleases. ("Unveiling Islam: An Insider’s Look at Muslim Life and Beliefs" pages 31-32, by authors Ergun Mehmet Caner and Emir Fethi Caner Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications, 2002.)
So which is it? God predestined some to be saved or anybody who calls on the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED? This is not doctrine! Anybody who calls on Jesus is saved and God predestined that they will spend eternity in heaven. Jesus didn't die for some and not others. Wake up people!
@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. I think that's written in one of those new book like contraptions....called the Bible. HOORAY
I view predestination as God having foreknowledge of all who will, of their own free will, accept or reject Him. And has prepared a unique place in Heaven for us, with that in mind. Don't go to the wedding feast, expecting a free meal, if you haven't R.S.V.P.'d... Paul said all mankind is without excuse, just by observation of nature... People of sound mind, must willfully reject Christ, to be rejected by God... It is God's will that ALL come to the Father.... That none should perish... That is why ALL are written in The Book of Life, and then are blotted out, when one willfully rejects Him... God also grants mercy to those who are not mentally capable of choosing, such as young children, and the mentally infirm. Predestination is not a concept to be afraid of.., just understood. Salvation is not a lottery... We are the determining factor, in parallel with God's will, in our Salvation. God is sovereign... God is just... God is gracious and merciful... God is GOD!☝️Amen!
@Mobulus Moby- RIGHT! EXCELLENT POINT! "All mankind is without excuse based on observation of nature itself." Well said! God knows the end from the beginning. He knows ALL who would believe on Him for Salvation. We know God says "I am NOT willing that ANYONE should perish but that ALL come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9 KJV) Those He Foreknew He Predestine to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ" (Romans 8:9). This speaks of all who God foreknew that would of their free will received Jesus as Savior, are those who he has predestine to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. Many people have this twisted thinking that God chooses some to be predestine for Salvation. FALSE! This is the Calvin view that God does NOT save everyone, but only those he chooses to be saved. FALSE! If that were the case then God would of NOT said he is NOT willing that ANYONE should perish but everyone come to Repentance. (John 3:16) This is consistent with John the Baptist being the forerunner of Jesus preaching to Israel to REPENT and believe on the Messiah for Salvation. This was his core message! REPENT & BELIEVE one the one who has the Power to Save you!....and "...it is God who desires ALL people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the Truth" (1 Timothy 2:4) All these scriptures make it very clear that Salvation is a free will CHOICE but yet Jesus said that He is the small Gate & Narrow path that leads to eternal life and there be FEW who Find it!" (Matthew 7:14). Very FEW will make a decision for being saved through Faith alone is Jesus plus nothing!
Well said for the most part precious Brethren, the presenter should take note as much of his explanation can be misleading. Why is the term foreknew not properly realised as this is the cornerstone of the purpose for Gods ultimate decisions on all points.
1. Scripture is from God and God cannot lie. (2 Tim. 3:16; Tit. 1:2) 2. Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30) 3. Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6) This future redemption of the body harmonizes to being conformed to the image of Christ (Rom 8:29) and the promise to saints in 1 John ch 3 to be like him, for "we shall see him as he is." 4. Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28). Eph 1:4 says, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:" The Calvinist reword is "chosen TO BE in him unto salvation." "Holy and without blame" describe quality of service, and the word, "should" involves an exhortation to be such, not a decree. Salvation is not mentioned in Eph 1:4. 5. Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13) 6. There are two callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or general, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20) 7. Atonement is not synonymous with salvation. Christ’s death reconciles the world in universal atonement but Christ's life is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17) 8. It is a false dichotomy to assert that the universal set of theological thought is divided into Calvinism and Arminianism. We Bible believers reject both. Arminianism is Calvinism light. False dichotomies are used by the Calvinist to map the opponent to an unpalatable label and thus infer that Calvinism is the only alternative. 9. God is pleased to save those that believe, not cause belief in those he saves. (1 Cor. 1:21; Rom. 10:9-10) 10. Grace is a ubiquitous reality, not a selective force. (Tit. 2:11-13) 11. Grace is just fine on its own as found in scripture. Any modifier other than “free,” such as “sovereign,” “irresistible,” or “prevenient” indicates superimposition of an ideology by someone who is either confused or attempting to confuse. (Rom. 3:24; 5:15; Jn. 1:16; Tit. 2:11-13) 12. If one is born with total inability to receive God's life-giving truth and then passed over by the calvigod who unconditionally elected not to extend the gnostic spark of regeneration to that one to enable/cause faith, then there is no better excuse (Rom 1:20.) 13. God's Word and God's life-giving truth of the gospel are the enablers of faith - "...the holy scriptures, which are ABLE to make thee wise unto salvation..." "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." The 2nd person "thee" and "ye" apply to YOU, whoever you are. 14. The gift in Eph 2:8 is eternal life, not faith (Rom 6:23.) 15. God is all loving, He loves all (without exception.) (John 3:16).
You stated "essentially God predetermines that certain individuals will be saved". Apparently you're teaching unconditional election of Calvinism. However, I disagree to your interpretation of "predestination" as it doesn't intend to communicate as you proposed.
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone. Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
@@93556108 Yes, Calvinism is a heresy like eternal security encouraging people to sin People underestimate hell, it is bad because it is separation from God. In a vision I was shown a perron who claimed to be Christian but started fornication (premarital sex), He died relatively young and went to hell forever (1 Cor 6:9). God’s holiness means He will not coexist with sinners forever therefore Repent (Luke 13:3) and have a relationship with Jesus.
Man. This is depressing yet I encourage everyone to NEVER give up. NEVER give up on your salvation. Pray to God daily!!! Ask for forgiveness daily!!! Do your best to show Him love daily!!! "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." - Matthew 11:29-30 KJV Jesus Christ is a loving savior. Let us not be swayed and have faith in the Messiah!!! Amen!
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments). Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
So sad that we will confuse people when God has clearly stated in numerous scriptures about free will! Why then would anyone want to evangelize if people already knowing who goes to heaven!
Free will is an illusion. Let just say predestination didn't exist. God still knows everything you will ever do, so in God's mind your actions are set in stone and you cannot choose anything other than what God knows you will choose. The real question is, if God knows a person will never repent, die, and go to hell. Why would He send someone to preach the of salvation to that person?
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone. Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
And God intervenes and hardness hearts to reject him…. If you know voice and follow it then you are probably predestinated to have faith in him and are saved… why do you think it says their fruits will expose what’s in their heart… Every one who is saved was saved and chosen before the foundation of the earth… We are saved and forgiven sinners…
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments). Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
No one who had lived in seclusion without any outside teaching from a Calvinist upon seeking God, receiving and studying a bible, would come to the conclusion that you are predestined to heaven or hell and there isn't anything you can do to change that outcome. I believe this teaching is wrong and dangerous.
Plenty of people have come to this conclusion by themselves. 1) God is all knowing 2) Therefore, God knows whether or not you will be saved before you're even born. 3) Therefore God puts some people on earth who he knows will go to hell.
This is the third teaching. I have listened to on this today and I am utterly confused. So I guess I don’t need to pray for my family salvation since God knows anyway, and has made His decision? Man am I frustrated.
Look up “why I am not a Calvinist”. Brother Robert Breaker does a great job explaining. In reality, YOU have the choice to accept or reject Jesus. You can KNOW FOR SURE that you are going to Heaven ✝️
Predestination is a Biblical and all Christians should believe it, however the Calvinistic or predetermined view of predestination was introduced by Augustin to the world of theology and was not accepted in the church before.
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments). Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Salvation is a mystery. No-one knows exactly what predestination means because it's simply a word that conveys a thought, not the detailed plan and reason God knows and understands in the way we cannot. God desires all to be saved, 2 Peter 3:9, and is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. God, in His absolute sovereignty, allows us to either choose Him or reject Him. The Holy Spirit is the key to anyone being drawn to Christ, John 6:44. However, everyone, at some point in their life, has the revelation of God presented to them, Romans 1:18-20, and is fully responsible for their pursuance of the truth of God, or the thumbing of their nose to Him. The truth is, that unless God intervened in all of our lives to some degree we would all thumb our nose at Him. And that's the point. If you believe, thank God for it. If you don't believe, inquire or perish in hell without excuse. I truly believe that if someone would believe in Jesus Christ if only they had a witness to them, that God will provide them with one. Acts 8:26-40. Good day, and God bless. Matthew 7:7-8.
@@LaoshiDJ I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is the only way to Heaven. Christianity is the only "religion" that does not allow anyone to earn their way to Heaven. It is also the ONLY "religion" whose God lives inside them. I know what I believe is true because I've been forgiven of ALL my sins against God. I know this because of the peace that is in me that replaced my shame and guilt, which was much. I now understand that my life and how I live it matters. I love this wonderful intangible being more than I love my own children. I love singing to Him. I love knowing He's listening when I speak to Him. I love the comfort He gives me when I ask Him to forgive me when I screw up. And I love knowing He loves me despite my shortcomings and failures.
@@Qui_Gon_Jinn_76Acts 13:48: ⁴⁸ And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
@FollowerOfTheLight2782 you need to read commentary on this scripture. The KJV translates the word for "lined up" or "arranged" (tasso) in Greek as (protasso) which means prearrangement. The Greek word tasso is used in this verse, not protasso.
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone. Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
I’ve struggled with this ideaology and don’t quite agree with solution presented here (as a Christian) but I want to offer some other ideas (that are Bible based): 1) This isn’t a core for salvation. Predestination or not, salvation if available to everybody if YOU choose to accept Jesus’s freely given gift. 2) it doesn’t take away from Jesus dying on the cross for your sins. Again, that gift is available freely if you so CHOOSE to accept it. 3) This is a non-essential idea. Believing or not believing in predestination does not interfere with what Jesus did or your choice to choose salvation. Some may be “predestined” but God still chooses you and you have ability to choose Him back.
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone. Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
A double minded, safe explanation, but unbiblical. God predestinated that whosoever will believe in His Son, shall be saved. If you reject believing in the Son, you shall be damned. Making God an unjust, unrighteous, illogical petty being, is Satan's work.
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments). Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone. Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Predestination- The very notion that an omniscient God who knows everything including the thoughts and motives, noble and ulterior, of every human being that has ever, or will ever be born means that everything must be predestined by him. He knows before you are born everything that will happen to you and whether you will be a fit person to live in his fantasy land in the sky after your death. If he can look into the future what is the purpose of a judgment at some later stage, why would he judge us if he knows everything beforehand, is it so the godly can gloat over being smarter than the rest of us because they passed some test? If the punishment for not following his multitude of rules is that we suffer being burned forever then why not consign us to that destination immediately upon our demise, why the judgment process? In fact, if this all knowing presence knows the outcome of our fate before we are born then why permit us to be born at all? He only wants the pure of heart to live in his Heaven, that seems to be his ultimate goal, so instead of allowing us to live a life of temptation and sin (which offends him) why doesn't he look into the future of each of his creations and select the good from the bad before they complete their lives of sin, which he must already know about if he is truly omniscient? This is just one small area of question about the personality of this so called God, there are thousands of other parts of his attitude towards humankind which should be examined in detail. If he created us just so he could allow us to be tortured for eternity then he is sadly deficient in the sense of justice that he has supposedly imprinted on the minds of most human beings. SOME GOD.
Sorry but no it's false predestination means that God chose all humans to go to heavens not certain human. If so, then why did God said that he gives his son so that *everybody* that belives in him have eternal life ? John 3:16 Its so obvious like how can God chose who is going to hell or who's going to heaven ??!!
Good explanation - Rom ch 9 - our free will is only ever exercised according to our nature - man in his natural state can only ever sin - his nature has to be changed first ( doctrine of regeneration) - then as having a spiritually alive heart must exercise his will to exercise the gift of repentance and faith and be born again John 1.12 - Salvation is all of God - if you think God is being unfair then your view and knowledge of God is wrong/ faulty/ distorted - - check out your own relationship with Jesus as your own saviour
I've seen many of your offerings, and I've concurred with them all. On this topic, I think it would be better to say more by way of explanation, or less by way of restraint with a view toward safeguarding against possible violation of the tone of Scripture on this point. Of principal importance is that God predestines no one to damnation. The notion that God owes nobody anything is true, yet I question whether or not the best is achieved here by standing upon the notion that God is justified in condemning us all, and so we are therefore without any consolation by way of understanding anything more of this critical issue. Perhaps the best way one can know whether or not he has been chosen from the foundation of the world is to ask whether or not he accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. If a man believes in his heart, and confesses with his mouth that these things are true, then he will be saved. He may therefore rightly conclude that he is among those chosen from the foundation of the world. I believe that God includes this business of predestination in Scripture so that His manifold wisdom may be demonstrated to all created beings in the ages to come. I think it's certain that we haven't heard the last of predestination :)
Every hour and then, my mind wanders into a mindset of whether or not I’m truly saved. Am I part of the “chosen”. But it has been made clear to me: the fact that everything that God has let happen in my life led me to knowing Christ, is nothing short of a testament to God’s grace and mercy. When you begin to see the profound beauty of God’s sovereignty in your life. That we as humans did and could do nothing to save ourselves - but only by the grace of God. It deepens your awe and love for him.
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments). Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
I think this is wrong, or I miss understood something. If we are predetermined to end up in a location then the decisions we make don’t matter. But if we choose to follow Christ, then and only are we destined to be saved. But we still have the free will to choose Christ.
I know this is an old video, I still have to question ... If we are 'predestined", to be saved, why did God/Jesus give us rules to follow? Why the ten commandments, why the sermon on the mount? If it doesn't matter, then what Jesus preached is irrelevant.
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments). Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Okay I think I got it. It all comes down to having free will but God knowing what we are going to choose before we choose it. So in that way predestination makes sense.
@@stevemills1481 A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments). Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Thanks for your reply....not sure what your point is?. Help me out a bit here please. Your analogy of adoption/being chosen I understand ( a wonderful love indeed ), but surely, a couple with so much love can/will adopt but the child won't necessarily love them because they do no KNOW them...certainly they will come to love them in time, not because of some revelation, but because of the way they have been treated and in response to the love shown to them.@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
Your wrong on this, God want all to be saved. Scripture says God so loved the world. God calls all to salvation. What your missing is God knows the beginning from the end and knows who chooses him and who rejected him. What you preach is God made some people for hell and they never had a choice. Totally wrong on this.
When you become mature in Christ you will understand this true teaching. Read Ephesians carefully and prayerfully ask the Holy Spirit to reveal this truth to you.
Predestination is literally unjust because we didn’t choose to exist in the first place. So we didn’t choose to be born then theoretically predestined to eternal torment how is that fair exactly?
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments). Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments). Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
God put me on this earth knowing I would sin and therefore "deserve" hell. If you put a rock on a hill then push it down, can you blame the rock for falling down the hill? No. You put the rock at the top of the hill knowing it would roll down. Just like God put people on this earth knowing they would sin. Saying "They get what they deserve" is ridiculous. If I had the choice between eternal hellfire and never being born, I would choose to never exist every time.
When Paul is preaching about being predestined he is speaking about the Gentiles, remember the Jews are Gods Chosen People and some including Peter had a hard time accepting that Gentiles are to be grafted in through faith in Jesus Christ.
Based on you hypothesis then it is a logical conclusion that god can be considered unjust or that the creation of people not predestined to become saved is not found within god. For if god created a man and did not predestine him that means the man had no free will to choose to accept or deny god. This makes god unjust. And if god is just then he wouldn’t create a man who has no free will to accept him or deny him. This means not all men are created by god. Fairness and justice are two different things.
One more thing let’s understand the description and definition of predestination! If God is all knowing where this is confused it’s not that he’s Predestiny anything it’s that he knows everything before it even happens in the grammatical use of the word is Incorrectly.
Rom 8:29 and Eph 1:5 is not saying God has hand picked those to be saved. It is clear in scriptures that he wills that all men be saved. Rather what predestination means is that whomsoever out of his FREEWILL BELIEVES IN THE SON, is predestined for salvation.
Rom 8:29 says whom he did FOREKNOW; JER 1:5 says before I formed thee in the belly I KNEW THEE... So he knows us all but only those who has wilfully believed in his son are predestined to be conformed to his image.
In Jeremiah 7 God says, "People built places to sacrifice their children (in fire) to foreign gods, and He (God) says, "I did NOT COMMAND this, nor did it enter my mind." So, who do we believe, Jeff Durbin, RC Sproul, James White, John Piper or God Almighty and His Holy Word, the Bible? So, while God does predestine some things, this verse clearly says NOT everything. It's like a university predestining a football team (they WILL have a team next season) but giving free will to players themselves to decide whether or not to come out for that team. God, in His Sovereignty, has the POWER to give mankind a certain degree of free will to choose or reject Him and His Christ. This free will, given to man by God, started in the garden when God said to Adam and Eve, "You can eat from any tree in the garden except the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil." God did NOT say, "You MUST eat from all of the trees except the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil," rather He gave them a choice to eat from whatever trees they chose except that one specific tree. And by the way, they CHOSE to disobey and eat from the very tree God said don't eat of it. These are just a few of the MANY verses that speak of people making a choice; where Calvinism says, there is "No choosing" God decides. Isaiah 56:4 says, "For this is what the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who CHOOSE what pleases me..." Isaiah 65:12 says, "...I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and CHOSE what displeases me.” Isaiah 7:15 says, "...He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and CHOOSE the right..." Proverbs 3:31 says, "... Envy thou not the oppressor, and CHOOSE none of his ways." 1 Chronicles 21:11 says, "So Gad went to David and said to him, “This is what the Lord says: ‘Take your CHOICE: three years of famine, three months of being swept away before your enemies, with their swords overtaking you, or three days of the sword of the Lord..."
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone. Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers.―Psalm 5:5 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”―Rom. 9:13 It would be a mistake to say that God loves everyone in the same way. God has a special love for those whom he chooses to save (that love being grounded in Christ), which is what the biblical doctrine of predestination is all about. He owes grace to no one, and yet freely chooses to love some by causing them to be spiritually reborn. What a great God!
@@TobyJMoore Yes but careful not to be worldly as we aare in the end times church LUKEWARM CHURCH/ENDTIMES CHURCH The end times church is partly Godly and partly Wordily, so they are fake and go to hell like everyone else who doesn’t believe. Revelation 3: 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither [a]cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
I’m a new believer. I’m not sure I have this right…God chooses some, even if they never ask for salvation, but because I asked, I may still go to heaven even if I wasn’t chosen by God? Just want to make sure I’ve heard this correctly 😅
This is a false doctrine. please don't take anything they say seriously. Just believe John 3:16 and other verses about salvation. This doctrine only makes you doubt your salvation. It's not biblical. God bless you!
Predestination is those who by faith acknowledge the finished work of Christ with repentance. God predestined them to become like His son. God did not choose who would believe and who would not. But by His foreknowledge he knows. Blessings
@@0nlyJesusSaves Predestination is clearly Biblically. This video points out the scriptures that say it. Romans 9:20 "Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"
this must be very confusing. Never lose sight of the fact that God has given us a sense of justice just as "all his ways are justice". Would a just God predestine people to life or death ,removing their freedom of choice and then reward or punish accordingly? Of course not. If it sounds unjust to us it must be unjust to God. God sets out choices that we can take or reject and then explains this through scripture, prophecy, and uses his servants to preach and explain his message of hope and life. When Adam sinned and lost the prospect of everlasting life, God set up a plan to fulfil his original purpose for mankind. This was when he purposed to send his son as a ransom for sinful mankind. He then explained this purpose through time using his prophets leading up to Jesus himself. Jesus then instructed his apostles to preach the good news of God's kingdom, the means by which his purpose would be realised. Why would he need to have such a convoluted and detailed plan and have His Son die a painful death if everybody's future was already predestined? God simply knew in advance that some would accept his truth and want to serve him ,and others would not. If you would like any further help. I would be happy to help. :-) All the best
2 Peter 1:10 Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble, Peter 3:14 Therefore, beloved, as you anticipate these things, make every effort to be found at peace--spotless and blameless in His sight 1 Corinthians 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a man can commit is outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 1 thessalomoans 5:22 Abstain from every form of evil Ephesians 5:11 Have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. How can Peter and paul even say this. Making it seem as if we have a choice in what we do
Maybe. But. What if God/Jesus foreknew the people that would believe in and obey/trust Him and therefore He predetermined that that group of souls would be the ones to be saved? That sounds plausible to me.
@Harold Zwingley Friend, do you believe Jesus is ok with your dismissive quip about a brother offering a viewpoint on a debatable issue. Sure, I may be wrong on the issue but I know I’m saved by what Jesus did on the cross for me. Not if all my doctrines are in agreement with other folks that are in need of a Savior like I am. I wish you well.
We don't have free will if God knows ahead of time where we'll end up. The the "choice" to believe in him isn't a choice if he already decided ahead of time you were going to do that anyways.
Just because God knows what we will do before we do them doesn't take away free will, God isn't limited by space and time. If I knew that someone was going to do somthing because of time machine that wouldn't take away the fact they made that decision.
At age 61 I have only been learning about CALVINISM and understanding it in the last few months as a friend that I grew up with believes in this. My spirit and the Spirit of Jesus IN ME REJECTS this. I am not a Bible scholar, but everyone should research UA-cam videos on Romans 9 and the argument against pre destination and other videos of people who have LEFT this movement. I do not believe God is evil and he would need to be evil according to this doctrine. Please don't just believe these people or even your church. Read the BIBLE. Seek GOD'S wisdom. PRAY!
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone. Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone. Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
There are some that confess even if you proved to them that Jesus lived, died on a cross and rose again, they would still not put their faith in Christ. God knows who will believe and CHOOSE Him before the foundation of the world or he would not be God. The apostle Paul was destined to accept Christ as illustrated on the road to Damascus. He wasn’t looking for God but was persecuting the early church. It undeniable that God chose Paul to use for His purposes. He is God and you cannot know Him entirely, nor can you limit Him by putting Him in a box. Because we don’t like the doctrine of predestination,it doesn’t make it untrue.
God forknew not just some He for knew all mankind that He made and did NOT pre determine some would go to hell and some to Heaven. He forknew!! W H O S O E V E R!! John 3:16 Obviously God gave ALL a choice,but he forknew our choice. He DID NOT choose for us.
Does God, our Creator and Heavenly Father, not have the same responsibility for His children as the Bible states our Earthly fathers/parents do? If so, why are so many children (the abused, the hungry, the poor, the sick, the bullied, etc etc etc) seemingly not being protected by Him? One could argue that these children never asked to be born. So, if their earthly parents cannot or will not protect and provide for them, shouldn't their Heavenly Father do so? (I am not trying to be argumentative; I would really like an answer that can help me understand why such horrific things happen to children.) Doesn't the Bible (Matthew 18:10) say that Christ said that children have angels who are in the presence of God? If not to protect them, then for what reason is it said?
All who believe in me: Jesus Christ, will be saved. Yes, BUT what you are missing is the sin of believing in the Trinity doctrine. You can believe all you want and sign Holy Holy Holy all day long, but does that save you? No. you must obey the law and there is only One God the Father who is Eternal without a beginning and only One LORD God Jesus Christ the LORD of this Recreated Earth.
God predetermines certain individuals will be saved? That’s not what you just read in scripture. 29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed (not to save) to the image of his Son We conform to Christ’s image AFTER, by our own free will receive salvation. Conforming to His image is a life long process.
In Jeremiah 7 God says, "People built places to sacrifice their children (in fire) to foreign gods, and He (God) says, "I did NOT COMMAND this, nor did it enter my mind." So, who do we believe, Jeff Durbin, RC Sproul, James White, John Piper or God Almighty and His Holy Word, the Bible? So, while God does predestine some things, this verse clearly says NOT everything. It's like a university predestining a football team (they WILL have a team next season) but giving free will to players themselves to decide whether or not to come out for that team. God, in His Sovereignty, has the POWER to give mankind a certain degree of free will to choose or reject Him and His Christ. This free will, given to man by God, started in the garden when God said to Adam and Eve, "You can eat from any tree in the garden except the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil." God did NOT say, "You MUST eat from all of the trees except the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil," rather He gave them a choice to eat from whatever trees they chose except that one specific tree. And by the way, they CHOSE to disobey and eat from the very tree God said don't eat of it. These are just a few of the MANY verses that speak of people making a choice; where Calvinism says, there is "No choosing" God decides. Isaiah 56:4 says, "For this is what the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who CHOOSE what pleases me..." Isaiah 65:12 says, "...I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and CHOSE what displeases me.” Isaiah 7:15 says, "...He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and CHOOSE the right..." Proverbs 3:31 says, "... Envy thou not the oppressor, and CHOOSE none of his ways." 1 Chronicles 21:11 says, "So Gad went to David and said to him, “This is what the Lord says: ‘Take your CHOICE: three years of famine, three months of being swept away before your enemies, with their swords overtaking you, or three days of the sword of the Lord..."
We do not choose to be saved is the issue I have with this reasoning. God clearly states that we are not saved by our own choice but by God, so that no one may boast. Based off of what I understand in your comment you are saying we choose to believe or not believe in God, which sounds right, but if true the ones who do Believe in God and are saved would have a right to boast and say we are better or smarter for choosing the right faith to believe in. Rather the holy spirit convicts us and causes us to believe in Jesus and his death for our sins, therefore giving all the glory to God for our salvation and not ourselves for believing in God. I'd love to discuss this more as predestination is actually something I struggle with greatly also. Finally I'd like to say I love you and I love how passionate you are about God. Clearly you want to know all you can about God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit and what the Bible states which gives me great hope. I pray we will get to see one another in heaven and on the new earth. Praise and Glory to God Almighty❤ .
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone. Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
The Biblical illustration should instead be like this. The man would be please to handing out an equal amount of money to the crowd. It would be the decision (free will) of the individuals to take the offered money according to their interest. The shed blood of Jesus Christ is for the world.
People should not walk away from this video thinking that God shows favoritism to some and leaves the rest to perish even though they desire God. God can predestinate people to be saved in the sense that he knows beforehand who will respond to his gospel and who will not. God has predestined everyone to be saved. It is impossible for God to be so grossly unfair.
I don’t really get it. God expects too much of us? We born sinners yet he wants perfection or like him God. Bruh…. I don’t get how hell is just at times. Death is better? At least in this life?
I have no clue why people exalt human “free will” as if it’s something that can stop God in His tracks. God is an eternal being. He’s not waiting for tomorrow’s results to hit his desk so he can make up his game plan for the week. If He’s eternal, all,powerful and all knowing-how could it NOT be Him determining everything.
Thank you! Your comment is a great sum-up.
I am going through a phase of life that involves getting a deeper understanding of our existence, who I really am and cutting toxicity out of my life. So when the topic of predestination vs free will came to my mind, I realized that both cannot exist because how does one determine what goes into each category. Example: If someone goes to college on the east coast and after graduation ends up in the pacific northwest with a job, married and kids. Which one was free will and which one was predestined? We cannot just pick and choose how we want to classify every situation that happens. I came to the conclusion that everything is predestined and we are here to learn lessons needed for the next level of existence after death. There's a lot more that brought me to that conclusion but that's the gist of it.
31 years saved and still amazed that God would save a wretch like me.
Few months and I still can’t believe it
@@ShanandHailey Yeah it is amazing, happy for you. Do not do what you used to do and be very careful of unbelieving friends, they would love for you to walk in darkness with them.
i've been saved for 4 weeks now and it's it's been difficult so far. i know it will be worth it but so far ive had mental anxiety and stuff
Then you should know He would save all others who think they are wretches.
@@robertdouglas8895 It is God's sovereign choice who he saves.
Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
God does not predestine certain individuals, He has simply predestined (chosen before the foundation of the world) to save anyone (through His way)
All those that will take the time to study and surrender to the truth allowing the Holy spirit to write the principles into their heart (mind)
@Harold Zwingley I understand what you are saying because many have that view however the only thing that is predestined is the work of the Lord, His way of salvation, laws, faith etc this is predestined and unchangeable.
But we the people have to be accepted or chosen (by the Father) based upon our walking in harmony to the faithful path that He has set out 🙏
If our lives are predestined, that would mean we didn't have a choice. No one would need to work out their salvation or watch and pray to not enter into temptation. (See Rev 22:12,14) to see who is rewarded and blessed
@Soldier it is possible for God to do something that challenges our logic however everything pertaining to our salvation does have logic and reason to it, so that we can give an answer for our beliefs and be a faithful witness
If something has a Pre-destined path that means it is set and doesn't have a choice
Previously Mr H Zwingley commented that the Lord has chosen people and this choosing reveals that they are Predestined but when we look at Genesis 7:1 we see that Noah was chosen for a reason
Why was Noah chosen, was it because of predestination?
Not at all, Noah was chosen because he and his family were the few righteous people in that generation.
If they had no choice to be righteous, then that would also mean that the other people had no choice to be unrighteous and wicked.
God knows who will respond to the gospel beforehand, according to that he works in them
Amen
@@chalkkey433 yes He DOES predestine individuals for salvation and others for condemnation (Romans 9:22-23).
Listen to this explanation again. Some are predestined for salvation and others have to accept salvation. Those who say what's the use if they are not predestined. The point is none of us know who is predestined, but we all know salvation is offered to all. By the way, nothing we do (works) will increases our chances of salvation. Loving the Lord will. Why would anyone just give up? Why assume you are not one of the predestined?
I agree, while it’s never made clear who is predestined. The fact that you and I and many others somehow came to know Christ, and hopefully continuing in faith is nothing short of a testament to God’s grace.
Yes, but if true and grace is "irresistible" why worry about it ? You'll be saved whether you want to be or not right?!
@@dumdumdrums5896 while technically true that God’s grace knows no bounds, that isn’t a call for us to keep sinning. Taking Grace for granted.
Because, the reality is for those who believed and are saved, that we are different people. No longer people who were alienated from God but, now adopted as children of God through Christ.
If we truly understand the gospel and love God, then we are to live our whole lives in a manner which shows this profound truth.
Refer to Romans 6
If you reject the Lord because you say it's unfair ---- THAT is rebellion against God's ways
Just come to Jesus and he will NoT cast you out
@@dumdumdrums5896 ---- just come to Jesus and He will NoT cast you out. If you do come --- you ARE chosen
Confusing, who did Christ die for? If people are predestined why would God send Jesus to die for our sins and ultimate salvation if we believe in Him?
Thank you for all of your comments. Wendy, I was in Bible study tonight and broke down in tears weeping, after we talked about predestination. I didn’t fully understand it and I felt like… What’s the point? Why spread the gospel? If God has a predestination, then what is our purpose? I was so confused. The women of my Bible study were so gracious and loving, and try to help me understand but I still felt very upset. I love God with all my heart, and I have truly given in my life to him, turned from my sins and repented. I have a new life in Jesus, and although I struggle with a few things, like most of us. I live my life for Christ, and try and show that through all the things I do. I came into Bible study tonight feeling like I was a safe person, and then after talking about predestination feeling like I wasn’t sure anymore. But after reading your comment and the comments that followed, I understand that you Wendy, and myself, our chosen ones. The lightbulb finally came on. God has predestined us to be saved, through his grace alone, not because we’re good people or deserve it. But because God has chosen us and we were born to except the gift of grace. I understand that not everyone was born to accept the gift of grace, people who don’t want to believe the truth, don’t want to live without their sin, and don’t want to know the Lord‘s love. Those are the people who aren’t chosen, but those of us who are will feel the Holy Spirit and know his love and follow him. So my fear of not being saved anymore is gone, and I think you are for sharing your thoughts and helping make it so clear in my head. God bless you all, and praise God for his love and mercy.
Hey, Amy!
I put a reply to a different comment of yours, but I wanted to personalize it more to your situation.
First off, your words bring hope. God may have used me to help you, but what you've said helped me. Thank you!
You're very right. The people who are not chosen are the ones who choose to reject and often mock God or His ways all the way to the grave, which are many. Although we must be aware that there are some who openly deny God, but come to faith later in life. We can judge people in certain ways as Christians (John 7:24), but we have to be careful not to judge the heart, which only Jesus does on judgement day. (1 Corinthians 4:5)
Now, I would like to add that purpose back into your life!
Although God knows who will be saved and who won't, we don't, but our purpose doesn't lie in saving people because we don't save them, God does. Salvation is purposed by the Father, accomplished by the Son, and applied by the Holy Spirit.
So our purpose instead lies in our faithfulness to God and the shared ruling over the earth that He entrusts to us.
It's kind of like a wonderful, glorious king who's helped you and helps everyone in his kingdom, and he asks you to take care of and collect wool from some sheep he owns so he can make clothes and bedding for the homeless villagers. He could easily do it himself, or get someone else if you don't want to do it, but because you would love nothing more than to please this king, you find purpose in pleasing him and in being a necessary component to the overall work needed to be done.
(Another analogy I like is a proud father who goes up to everyone and says, "Look there! That's my son/daughter!" Like about Job in Job 1:8)
God saves people, but He chooses to use us to do it.
Paul touches on this in Romans:
How then can they call on the One in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
Romans 10:14-15 BSB
You may not know who will be saved, and God can use others instead, but how wonderful is it a feeling to possibly be part of someone being saved and putting a smile on God's face at the same time!?
Just make sure you never compromise God's wonderful news. Quality over quantity. Not many will accept God's true revelation, but that's better then giving a bunch of people a false hope through an "easy" gospel. There's a reason there were only 12 disciples. (John 6:59-66)
I have a feeling you'll make a huge impact for the Kingdom, Amy! Keep fighting the good fight! Much love, Sister!
@@dylanapfelmann7461 So,I want to get this straight. You believe that some are randomly selected while others have no real choice to make based on all of God’s provisions? You believe many are called but only those who are given the ability to believe and receive Jesus are going to be saved while the others are judged for not believing even though they can not without God causing them to?? Ok,since I know the answer is a resounding “YES” then I’d like to give you an example and then provide a few verses from the Bible. : A baby is commanded to run a marathon..however,the baby cannot even crawl yet God throws the baby (symbolic,not a literal baby) in Hell for not being able to run the marathon? That’s silly! 1 Timothy 4:10,
Matthew 23:37,Isaiah 45:19 Obviously John 3:16,Deuteronomy 11:26-28. AND MANY MANY MORE! You see,God gives us all a choice and He is Sovereign over them all. Amen 🙏 I agree with some of Calvinism HOWEVER I reject some of it because it is CLEARLY uncharacteristic of God to just randomly choose someone to be saved and “screw the other guy!” Example : Esau,I created you to go to Hell AND I HATE YOU!! Lol wow dude.
NOOOOOOO! Please READ...
2 Timothy 2:20-21
Please dont believe that. Predestined to a calling for Gods pleasure & His will ( pastor, evangelist, etc, etc) confirmed by the verse I just noted in Timothy
The predestination idea goes against like 99% scripture. Everywhere bible teaches its OUR free will to reject or accept Jesus
Im paraphrasing verses...
- sin is what separates us ( our choice)
- Seek me with heart & you shall find me.
- he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but EVERYONE to come to repentance.
- Draw near to God, He will draw near to you
- Call on the name of the Lord amd you shall be saved
Bible says for ( John 3:16l God so loved the WORLD ( not the chosen/predestined/elect) that He gave His only Son WHOEVER believes in Him shouldnt perish.
John 3:17... God sent his Son not to condemn but to SAVED
I pray this will remove that lie from your heart and you be overcomed with His love & peace God is a good good Father❤❤❤
We are saved by grace through our faith in Christ, and in any works by us like repenting of sins for salvation 😊
@@nicholascarter6543 Are you unfamiliar with God "randomly" choosing to be Israel's people? Have you read the Old Testament? God fought for the Israelites and destroyed hundreds of thousands (more like, millions) of people, because they were against Israel. Also remember, God destroyed everyone on the ENTIRE planet except for Noah and his small family. He is GOD, He can do as He chooses, and WILL do as He chooses. Anything and everything in the universe is His creation, and is sovereign over all things, including our salvation.
Some of these comments prove why the doctrine of predestination (Calvinism) is so sad. It puts Christians into a fatalistic spiral. "What's the point of spreading the gospel if God has already decided who will be saved"?
Here is how I see it.
If free will is true, and it is, then Calvinism is false. But if predestination is true, and it is, then Armenianism (total rejection of predestination) is false. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Undefined by scholars.
Don't worry about predestination vs free will. God has given us both. And we don't know what measure of both we have been given. Is there more predestination than free will? Don't know.
So do what Jesus told you to do. Spread the Gospel. Bring as many into the Kingdom as possible. Because we won't fully understand what God meant by predestination vs free will until we are with Him forever. It might not be what we think.
How would God halfway predestine something? I do not think it is possible for something to be a combination of predetermined and open-ended.
@@tacocookie1015 , Interesting. Free will is also perfectly clear in the Bible. Why didn't you defend it with the same fervor? Why do you only want to take one side of what God has said?
Does God know the future? Did God know the future before He created the world? Could God have selected a different future, where more people got saved, but there would be less free will? Could the fact that He selected this future instead of a different one qualify as "Predestination"?
Again, did God know every single decision you would ever make before He created the universe? Did you ever surprise Him? Even once? If you did surprise Him, even once, He is not omniscient. Therefore, you never surprised Him, because He is omniscient.
This is just one possible answer to why the Bible speaks of free will and predestination. Perhaps someone smarter than me has another explanation.
@@Kahless_the_Unforgettable I'm just asking for you to define your terms because it's unclear to me how something can be halfway predetermined and halfway free will. But yes, God does know the future because he authored the future. "Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient time things not yet done, saying, 'My counsel will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish" (Isaiah 46:10). I think you might be confused about what Calvinism says, because it's basically what you're describing. God's sovereignty doesn't work counter to our wills, but through our wills. So we make real decisions, and yet, God has ordained all things that come to pass. Man can choose to so all that is in his nature to choose, but we don't have Adam's unfallen nature that can choose between good and evil. Until we are born again by the Spirit, man in his fallen state is always freely choosing to reject God, and will not choose to submit to him without the new birth. So we are responsible for our own decisions, and God also has decided who he will save.
@@tacocookie1015 , I've spoken to many Calvinists. I've seen many videos on the subject. Perhaps they don't understand the doctrine as well as you. But Free Will is never emphasized by them like it is in the Word. You are the first Calvinist I've ever heard of that spoke of free will at all.
So, using your own objection: How would God halfway free will something? I don't see how it's possible for something to be open ended and pre-determined. (*Not my actual position)
Do you see how your second comment defeats your first comment?
@@Kahless_the_Unforgettable I see how you would think my second comment defeats my first comment, but my stance, and the doctrines of Calvinism, says that something can be fully predestined by God, and a choice that was freely chosen by man. When Calvinists speak against free will, they're generally speaking to the fact that man's fallen nature will not choose God and will only choose to sin (For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot
Romans 8:7). But Calvinism does not negate that man is responsible for their choices i.e. man's will is not externally restricted in what it can choose. It is however internally restricted by the actors nature, and as man in his fallen state will not choose God. Nothing outside himself is restricting him, it is his own nature that cause him to necessarily reject God. So both predestination and man's choices can work together without compromising one or the other.
If God predetermined that some go to Heaven, then it's impossible that He has not predestined others to Hell, which proves His favoritism of some over others, which in turn disproves He is just and loving, because if you are condemned before birth, there's nothing you can do to change it.
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone.
Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Calvinism wants to assert that God arbitrarily predestines some few to Heaven and the majority to hell. BUT the Bible clearly teaches God's predestination is based on His FOREKNOWLEDGE.
It's just a bad take on scripture or explanation of scripture...to me it should be filed along side purgatory and only a 144,000 will go to heaven.
It's bad teaching and false teaching.
@C2IT678
I noticed that you couldn't answer the question though.
@@aisforapple2494 i did.....noone is predestined to be picked to have salvation.
This is something I've struggled with for a long time but I wanted to say to the people who this gives you an uncomfortable feeling...if God didn't choose then no one would come and then we all be going to hell together without any hope.
He rescued us because we are so sinful we wouldn't want to come, because His offer is to everyone, anyone COULD accept the gift, His offer is genuine to everyone but no was wants it you see, because of sin, and being blind, and spiritually dead. So God chose to rescue some of us anyway and we can thank Him forever for it.
We have to remember because we are broken with sin we can't understand and accept things about God but we can always trust He is doing the right thing.
Also after all He has done, even since the old testament, the beginning of time, and the new testament after giving us Jesus to be tortured and killed in a horrible way, and having to deal with us sinning for a life time, doesn't God have the right to choose? Doesn't He have the right to say like in the flood I'm going to take you sinful creatures all out. He only saved 8 people in the ark. But He is saving a huge amount of people now. We should try to see this as the glass half full. He told Abraham, try to count the stars if you can, that's how many of us He has saved, He has saved ALOT of people.
And if you put your faith in Jesus to pay for your sin you are saved.
We can't worry about God's side of things, we have no control over that. But we DO have a responsibility to believe and have faith, and accept the gift and apply it to us, and the Bible says He will not ever cast anyone out that wants to be. So regardless of what the truth is, you have a responsibility to accept the gift and walk this journey as a disciple out. If you still feel scared or upset then pray and ask Him to help you with it. It's okay 😊
I totally see where you’re coming from, but we have to also realize that because of the agony of the cross, and all that it entailed, it wouldn’t make sense if it was just for a few people. It was for everybody and anybody who chooses to receive His free gift of eternal life. Yes, most people will reject Christ, but it not like they never had a chance. Do you really believe it’s in the nature of God to create people for the sole purpose of sending them to an ultimate like a fire? Does that even make sense to you? It doesn’t to me, and I’m so grateful that our Savior died to give EVERYONE a chance to be with Him in eternity.
“And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
(1 John 2:2)
@@Gloriagal78 God didn't make anyone to send them to hell.
They will go there to pay for their crimes, a lifetime of sin.
God never had to even make one way, which He genuinely offers to everyone, God wants everyone to be saved.
The gift is there for anyone to take. But to all who did recieve Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, but who would take that One way without the Lord opening our eyes to the truth?
We can't give that to ourselves because we are too corrupt with sin.
This is a very uncomfortable and humbling truth because it means that we were all condemned already John 3:18, that we are like guilty criminals before a judge and our sentence is death and eternal punishment. Everyone is already condemned to their sentencing.
It means that our forgiveness was actually not in our control, that we were helpless and hopeless and it is totally and completely depending on God's mercy. That's very uncomfortable, but when I read the Bible and see the progression and with His chosen people the blindness He has given to them, they literally cannot see Jesus except the precious few, how should they see what they cannot see?
The Bible says that people are blinded by Satan. The jews especially are blinded by God for their rejecting Jesus when He came, but the rest of us are blinded by Satan.
How should a blind person give themselves sight?
Can we remove the veil over our eyes if we don't even know it's there to begin with?? How could we even if we did know?
If you have a look at the people in Revelation, they will have the 144,000 witnessing to the world, the two witnesses, Catastrophic events, Angels flying in the sky speaking the gospel and warning people not to take the mark, and people still choose sin and the devil and his antichrist. People choose sin and evil because we are sinful and evil, we have every chance to choose good and God's way through Jesus, but we don't choose it you see? No one does, God tells us that in Romans. No one seeks God.
It's by the drawing work of the Father John 6 and the work of the Holy Spirit John 3 that a person will be able and persuaded to choose Him back, otherwise we would all be lost because we love our sin. Not so with the Christian, they hate the sin they do, but before we were saved we loved it.
We owe our salvation to God completely.
I continue to pray for salvation of others, though I know the fullness of the Gentiles are numbered, Romans 11:25.
And what else I tell myself is, after all God has done, and all we have done to Him, doesn't He deserve to choose on whom He will have mercy, and to who He will give grace too?
He doesn't have to give it to anyone. He would be right, good and just to punish evil, just like a judge is good and right and just to punish criminals guilty of heinous crimes repeatedly against the judge himself, and that's everyone. It is out of the over and above abundance of love that the judge would make his own son pay for our heinous crimes, which no judge on earth would ever do, by a torturous death, and not only that make us a child? And love us like his own? I mean that's overwhelming! But it's His choice to do that. Imagine then the people saying to the judge who was willing to do that for them " NO, I don't want your gift! I hate you!" Is it not then the choice of the Judge to draw that criminal by love and the work of the Holy Spirit?
Because when you start to realise that's what's going on in our own lives, it's an overwhelming thing that I can only face in the loving arms of my Father and Lord that chose to love me even at my darkest.
And if you read ephesians 1, you will see, He chose us a long time ago before He created the world to be His children. He chose people then who He would pull out of darkness Colossians 1:13.
Do you see?
If you start to see what I'm saying while you read the Bible, and you get the overwhelming feelings please feel to reach out to me. It's a big realization. But you can only see I as you read the Bible and the Holy Spirit reveals the words that are there And we read but cannot fully see until then suddenly we can see it.
@@mommaof6 In Romans, the Word forknew in Greek word is proginóskó: to know beforehand, and predestined is
proorizó: to predetermine, foreordain.
For Ephesians I'd say also go back to Ephesians 1, He also did this for the good pleasure of His will and for the praise of His glory. And going back to Ephesians 2, I think verse 9 or 10 says this salvation is a gift not of ourselves so that no one may boast.
Also in 1 Corinthians 1:26-28
Brothers, consider the time of your calling: Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were powerful; not many were of noble birth.But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are,so that no one may boast in His presence.
And if you want to be a bit humbled and crushed then read romans 9.
But I think it's meant to be positive, our sinful state doesn't allow us to see everything as it is. We will know the complete truth one day.
@@taralanger9279 Hello. I went to your playlist section and I see that you have a playlist named 'Yoga', do you promote or practice yoga?
Sincerely, Niranjan.
@@Seeker7257 no I am very against it now. My friend at church once introduced me to it but the Lord then showed me the truth about it. I do not practice it in any way, I just am not good about clearing those things out. I will now though.
Anyone who thinks we have free will has yet to mature into the realization of God's election and sovereignty. If you love Jesus, READ YOUR BIBLE and stop trying to figure it out with human reasoning. God. Saved. Us. We did not play a single part in our salvation. When you follow Jesus, it isn't because you "accepted" His "offer" of salvation, it is because He saved you, and awakened you to this truth, and called you, and you cannot resist Him once He has determined to redeem you. And He already did that in eternity past. Praise be to Him! Maranatha!
I'm confused. So you said "when you foIIow Jesus( which means you chose to right) then you said there's nothing you can do to resist him. So so I have a say in this relationship or not. 🤔😅
@@mlady8137 When someone follows Jesus, it is because God has given them to ability to do so, and made it their only option. Jesus said my sheep can never be plucked out of my hand. As an unelect sinner, one cannot choose to follow Christ. One cannot choose to believe the gospel. An elect saint is purchased by God using Christ's blood as currency, their eyes are opened to their need for forgiveness, which God has given, and they are freed from the slavery of sin and made a slave to Christ instead. Whatever "choosing" or obedience we make in regard to Christ is negligible because He has already overridden our will and wet need only to submit to it. Which, again, a saved person can't refuse.
"As many as were elected unto eternal life, believed" ..... God is totally sovereign. But man has genuine choice. How does this fit together??? Nobody knows. But both are absolutely true!!!
It works together because God knows beforehand you are going to believe in Him…. sooner or later. God lives outside time and space.
Exactly! It's not a contradiction, it's a paradox !
thankfully predestination is not a central doctrine of the Bible. John 3:16 is a major problem for predestination believers. Jesus says for "whoever" believes shall be saved.
To be fair it says SHOULD be saved... "SHALL" implies certainty.. "SHOULD" implies possibility...
@@jrodjr1295 you are a calvinist and eternal security is one of your 5 points bullet.....TULIP hypocrite
@@OwenRowe-hx2mz brother relax. Instead of attacking me, maybe try and correct me? I had to correct myself by looking into the Hebrew translation. Please be careful with how you interact with other people especially those in the faith. I forgive you.
@@jrodjr1295 . the case is you dont want to be corrected. I leave that between you and the Lord
@@OwenRowe-hx2mz I just said I went and searched the Hebrew, it says "will" be saved. Which means, yes, I welcome correction. The issue with your response is you didn't attempt to correct me and immediately went to shaming me. As I said, I forgive you. Now I suggest praying to the Lord for forgiveness on your end.
This is exactly what i have always believed. This guy does a great job explaining it in simple terms.
This is why I can have such a better appreciation and adoration for the beauty of salvation. I did not do anything to grant my salvation, but God viewed a wretch like me and decided to save me with no merit of my own. Hallelujah and praise God for this. The doctrine of predestination should be viewed with the beauty of God’s gracious gift rather than an angry, wrathful God
God does not choose people to be saved. He gives eternal life to them that BELIEVE in Jesus as our only hope of heaven apart from any works. Romans 4:5-8. Acts 16:31. Hebrews 13:5. John 6:47. John 12:32. God calls all men to believe the gospel and be saved. First Corinthians 1:18-21. John 3:18.
@noahgamerl, Predestination in the bible is not teaching God choose some individuals for eternal life but passover others as this video is advocating.
God predestines BELIEVERS to the adoption as sons at the resurrection!
Calvinism and Context NEVER go together! NEVER!!!
See you in heaven Brother. John 3:18. Calvinism makes the cross of no effect and makes salvation by what we do instead of what Jesus did for us. They pervert the gospel of Christ, which is all grace apart from works.
@@jimkraft9445 you're right, brother. Calvinism teaches heretical doctrines as it can't stand up to the scrutiny of scripture.
I’m so confused….doesn’t the Bible say that God desires all to be saved?
Yes it does! However if you watch John Piper’s message on predestination, he will explain that gos is so generous and loving 🙄 as to not allow his desire for all of us to be saved to override his sovereignty over who will be chosen to be saved. Yeah. Further… he uses those who aren’t saved to be an “example of judgement” for the others. Abs finally, as you see this pastor here say, we “all deserve to die” so I guess those lucky few who are saved are exactly that - “lucky” and those of us who aren’t saved should shut our mouths and take our licks into hell for eternity because “we didn’t deserve to go to heaven in the first place”. Yeah. Well to that I say “nobody asked me to be put on this earth either” so why do I have to be sentenced to an eternity to hell and torment when I didn’t even really get the right to “choose” God anyway? Riddle me that!? That leads me to believe God is not really loving at all. I mean. Really. I have been chasing after God for 3 decades and could never find myself where other “Christians” are in there faith and have struggled with what I have called some kind of barrier I couldn’t seem to cross in my relationship into falling in love with him (I was “saved” A YOUNG CHILD THROUGH HELLFIRE AND BRIMSTONE; then was baptized in my mid- 20’s) I have hosted Bible studies for years at my house, still send my children to Christian schools, , I’ve turned my other check to so much outlandish adversity in my life (swallowing the Christina rhetoric that somehow this was all for my good and for the ultimate glory of God) and now I suffer horrendous unimaginable unending, incurable and un-helpable physical suffering and I’ve tried to find a way to make sense of all this in the eyes of a loving God and I’ve been studying predestination (among other biblical concepts that seem to also hinder my ability to see the good and love in God) and this is exactly what I’ve come to find: that God plays favorites! The reason why I could never fall in love with God was because of this predestination barrier! I’ve been taught my whole life that “anise over belies in his shouos not perish but have everlasting life” in Heaven with God, but now I know why I cannot build a relationship with him no matter how much I’ve stayed on the “faith train” and tried to wait for God to reveal himself to me so I could “experience a peace that surpasses all understanding” ans a “relationship filled with love ans xomfort like I’ve never known”. ThT reason is predestination. It all makes sense now. I’m not welcome to be in God’s family. I’m oredestined since before birth to be condemned to hell abs there’s nothing I can do about it. I can believe in God ans get my headrest to love him but nothing I will ever do will make him predestined me to heaven. “I cannot earn my way to heaven” is what I’ve been told my whole life, “lest any man should boast”. But the fact is the matter is, all my “asking, seeking, knocking, waiting on God to meet me where I am, prayer, asking forgiveness, reading, studying, and memorizing scripture, raising my children in the Lord, following the Commandments of the Bible and turning my other cheek to other atrocities in my life all in “Jesus’ name” doesn’t make me worthy of God’s love and salvation. HE put me here and now HE ALONE decides if I’m predestined to heaven or hell regardless of my “faith as tiny as a mustard seed”. It’s rubbish. It’s cruel. It’s mean. And regardless of what this pastor here says, it IS COMPLETELY UNFAIR”!!!! No, pastor, it’s not the same as your little analogy to the guy who wants to give out money to a group of people mall-goers of his choosing. It’s HIS MONEY to choose to do with it what he damn well pleases and to give it to whom he damn well pleases. We are talking about eternal torment here, not $15 bucks. BIG DIFFERENCE! We are talking about how we are fed lies in the Christian faith that all we have to do is believe in him and “turn and sin no more”, to ask for forgiveness and to serve and love the lord with all your heart, soulful , mind, and strength, and to pray ans all these things will be added to you” but here we see none of that is even true!!!!!Predestination blows the whole Christian faith to pieces. It answers many questions for years that have baffled me about my own inability to grow close to god despite my having a good church and spending quality time in the word and only surrounding myself with Christians, etc. It’s AO UNFAIR. INWOUOS RATHER HAVE NEVER BEEN CREATED THAN TO BE CREATED JUST TO BE TORMENTED in heaven for eternity and on earth before that. Like what gives? How is that even loving?? It’s not. Ans predestination really puts everything into perspective and is a huge disappointment to me. I want so badly to believe God is good, to be in love with him, to have a peace that surpasses understanding, but there is a barrier to my relationship shop with Chris abs it’s a barrier god out bothers himself: predestination. It’s needless suffering and it’s unfair and I’m so sad that be been lord to for over 3 decades. Heart crushing. 💔 Unfair. Mean 😠. Horrifying.
@@Cursed4Life8 Thank you so much for your wonderful reply. I have found a study on the sovereignty of God and the story of Job to help a bit in my understanding of God, but, I confess I am struggling with the predestination doctrine.
Thank you again for sharing your heart. 🙏🙏🙏😉
@@Cursed4Life8 whosoever calls on the name of the lord shall be saved.
@@slimfit767 no, it's the other way aroud in Bible. Who ever is ptedestined to be saved will call on the name of the Lord.
Lol thats false doctrine,no one is "predestined" to be saved smh.
I as a layperson have spent a significant amount of time studying this topic. I have come to the conclusion that no one can repent unless he is drawn by the Holy Spirit, and some people are drawn and others are not. I am uncertain as to the basis on which God decides who to draw/not draw. I believe that He makes this decision at least in part on the basis of what glorifies Him, or His master plan. I strongly recommend that we not spend much time thinking about this, because it is detrimental to our mental and spiritual health. I say that in the upmost seriousness.
Yes, I’ve read comments of people saying they committed themselves into an insane asylum because of their worry over certain scriptures like this one. Thank you for your thoughtful comment.
The Bible says we can't come to Christ unless the "Father draws us." It does not say, unless "He forces us."
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone.
Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
I agree with your conclusion. This topic is a breeding ground for dissention. Each one should reach their own conclusion and not look down on the others. I think we have free will and that God already knows how we will exercise it. Since he foreknew, he predestined, called, justified, and glorified. (Romans 8:29-30) We are not saved by our works, but we are saved by our choice to believe in Jesus - not to our own credit, because without God's plan we would have nothing to believe in!
@@lukejuras8024 Firstly, pre-destination is a false doctrine created by the devil to give God a bad image of being unfair and hating humans. This false doctrine gives some humans pride where they think they are better than others by default so they have a license to sin whereas Jesus said in Luke 13:3 “Unless you repent you will likewise perish” (See also 1 Corinthians 6:9)
So he predestines people to choose Jesus? So God chooses what you believe therefor no freewill
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments).
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
No one seeks God, no not even one. It's his grace that allows one to hear and believe the gospel of Christ.
@sevendayoptions6704 Wrong! Job sought after God - Job 1:1. Cornelius and his family sought after God - Acts 10:1-2.
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments).
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
@@phillipaj.5588 People who fear the God of the Bible will naturally seek after Him as well.
@@phillipaj.5588 Cornelius and his family in Acts 10:1-2 were God fearing people who prayed to God and gave alms to the poor which triggered an opportunity for them to hear the Gospel where they would hear it and believe it to be saved. Consequently, Simon Peter was summoned to bring them the Gospel message - Acts 10:9-48, Acts 11:14. Cornelius and his family certainly feared God and prayed to God, but they were not saved until the Gospel message was brought to them where they believed it and got saved - Acts 11:14.
However, there are many unsaved people who fear and seek after God with their works hoping to attain salvation on that errant premise. This includes many devout Roman Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Calvinists, Arminians, etc, etc, who all fear and seek after God and follow the commands of God, BUT are not saved as they all have another "Jesus" who is not the same Jesus of the Bible.
@@phillipaj.5588 Cornelius and his family in Acts 10:1-2 were God fearing people who prayed to God and gave alms to the poor which triggered an opportunity for them to hear the Gospel where they would hear it and believe it to be saved. Consequently, Simon Peter was summoned to bring them the Gospel message - Acts 10:9-48, Acts 11:14. Cornelius and his family certainly feared God and prayed to God, but they were not saved until the Gospel message was brought to them where they believed it and got saved - Acts 11:14.
However, there are many unsaved people who fear and seek after God with their works hoping to attain salvation on that errant premise. This includes many devout Roman Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Calvinists, Arminians, etc, etc, who all fear and seek after God and follow the commands of God, BUT are not saved as they all have another "Jesus" who is not the same Jesus of the Bible.
Everything that happens in history has been decreed/Predestined before the world was created see Eph 1:11, Proverbs 16:33 and Amos 3:6. And yes even when terrible things happen, I know it's hard for some people to accept but look what happened when David sinned against God and one of Davids punishments was that God told him that he was going to use Davids own son to shame his Father by Absalom Absalom doing something immoral to his Fathers concubines in front of all of Israel, see 2 Samuel 12:11-12 God said "Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." Notice how God said "I WILL DO THIS THING."That was fulfilled in 2 Samuel 16:21-22. Jesus did not die for every single person ever and Jesus didn't die to make people savable. He died to save his elect. In John 17:9 Jesus said that he does not pray for the world. The word world is used in different contexts, in that context he's talking about the non elect. In John 3:16 world means that he purchased people from every tribe, tongue and nation Rev 5:9 and for the children of God scattered abroad John 11:52. Some have been "long beforehand marked out for condemnation" Jude 4 and "appointed to doom." 1 Peter 2:8. About Pharaoh God said “For this VERY PURPOSE I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Rom 9:17-18. Jesus said "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:25-27. So, 2 Pet 3:9 the "not willing that any should perish" if you read that letter in context, 2 Pet 1:1 says "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours." As far as salvation for all men verses, Paul was refuting the false notion of his time that God was only desiring to save just the Jews and 1 Tim 2:2 says to pray "for kings and all who are in authority" because as humans WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE SO WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE! That's what it means in verse 4 by saying "all men." Amos 3:2 God said "of all the nations of the earth I have only known you." For centuries God passed over the majority of humankind because this verse isn't about knowledge it's about relationship. And it isn't because God foresaw Israel was more righteous then the other nations because sometimes Israel was more sinful then the pagan nations see 2 Kings 21:9. Only those who were predestined to be saved will be see Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-5, Eph 1:11, Romans 9:11-23, John 6:37.
This is tough.
I heard a helpful illustration once that went something like this. Picture someone walking into a room. Above the outside door is written "chosen by God". On the inside of the same door is inscribed "whosever will"
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A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments).
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Calvinism wants to assert that God arbitrarily predestines some few to Heaven and the majority to hell. BUT the Bible clearly teaches God's predestination is based on His FOREKNOWLEDGE.
This tears my heart out, knowing that some of my precious grandchildren may be predestined to have no hope of heaven. I cannot bring myself yo accept this.
It’s definitely a hard doctrine to swallow. It’s taken me years of research and understanding it to even remotely accept it. Although I believe God does elect and does predestine, keep in mind he also does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked, and he wants your grandchildren to come to repentance. It’s what I like to call the perfect paradox. Continue being salt and life in your grandchildrens lives and trust in the Lord our God
@@TheMackyD If God predestined some to be saved and some to perish, it does absolutely no good to witness to anyone. Nor pray for anyone. You can't have it both ways....either predestined for hell or God is not willing that any should perish. Pick one.
@@ricknofzinger the Bible teaches both, I can’t pick one because if I pick one then I’m denying scripture
@@TheMackyD Again, pick one. Because both cannot be true at the same time It's illogical.. And God is not illogical.
@@ricknofzinger but…the Bible literally teaches both 💀 you’re right, God is not illogical. But our tiny little human brains cannot comprehend such a Holy God and if God says in his word that he elects and predestines but also wants all to come to repentance then I cannot ignore that. It’s not pick one and ignore the rest of scripture. It’s trust God and his sovereignty and believe and trust his Word. His Word teaches both, so I believe both. God isn’t black and white, he’s Holy and his ways are not our ways. We cannot comprehend how the eternal God thinks. Sorry, it’s not a matter of pick one and reject the other. I just believe the bible
I deserve nothing but contempt. But God sees me. And He loves me.
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone.
Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
2:35 Here's where your analogy fails miserably. The man handing out the money didn't predestine the fall, resulting in all of those 15 people being condemned to eternal judgment. According to the Calvinist Westminster Confession of Faith, God ordains whatsoever comes to pass, which would include the fall of man. That means that He ordained that all of humanity fall into condemnation, and only gives a minority that He chose the faith that is necessary for salvation. If God did that then He is not just, and the God of the Bible is just.
I knew something was off about that analogy it didn't fit right with this context
Hallelujah I love Jesus!
Firstly, pre-destination is a false doctrine created by the devil to give God a bad image of being unfair and hating humans. This false doctrine gives some humans pride where they think they are better than others by default so they have a license to sin whereas Jesus said in Luke 13:3 “Unless you repent you will likewise perish” (See also 1 Corinthians 6:9)
A Calvinist understanding of Predestination lays the blame for the Lost at Gods feet and not on the individual person who refuses Christ. This error makes God responsible for Evil in this World and not the Sinner.
In Jeremiah 7 God says, "People built places to sacrifice their children (in fire) to foreign gods, and He (God) says, "I did NOT COMMAND this, nor did it enter my mind." So, who do we believe, Jeff Durbin, RC Sproul, James White, John Piper or God Almighty and His Holy Word, the Bible? So, while God does predestine some things, this verse clearly says NOT everything. It's like a university predestining a football team (they WILL have a team next season) but giving free will to players themselves to decide whether or not to come out for that team. God, in His Sovereignty, has the POWER to give mankind a certain degree of free will to choose or reject Him and His Christ. This free will, given to man by God, started in the garden when God said to Adam and Eve, "You can eat from any tree in the garden except the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil." God did NOT say, "You MUST eat from all of the trees except the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil," rather He gave them a choice to eat from whatever trees they chose except that one specific tree. And by the way, they CHOSE to disobey and eat from the very tree God said don't eat of it.
These are just a few of the MANY verses that speak of people making a choice; where Calvinism says, there is "No choosing" God decides. Isaiah 56:4 says, "For this is what the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who CHOOSE what pleases me..." Isaiah 65:12 says, "...I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and CHOSE what displeases me.” Isaiah 7:15 says, "...He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and CHOOSE the right..." Proverbs 3:31 says, "... Envy thou not the oppressor, and CHOOSE none of his ways." 1 Chronicles 21:11 says, "So Gad went to David and said to him, “This is what the Lord says: ‘Take your CHOICE: three years of famine, three months of being swept away before your enemies, with their swords overtaking you, or three days of the sword of the Lord..."
Hey Mike I agree with everything you put in your note. Calvinist are three steps away from a Straight Jacket. It's Scary frankly. have a good day.@@Mike-qt7jp
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone.
Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Let’s not overlook foreknew before we jump on the predestined bandwagon. God knows who will choose Him or reject Him before we are born and therefore predestines. IMHO!
amen!! Just choose Christ☝️
This is really simple. If Jesus died for all, then why are there people in hell right now? Is it because they did not choose Him? What? Does that mean His sacrifice and power over death was not stronger than their "free will"? Huh? Isn't God sovereign over ALL? ... See the problem there everyone?
The problem starts when we think that ourselves, our families, and our friends deserve heaven. No, we do not. We deserve hell because no one is righteous, not even one. We are evil savages. Remove our laws and you'll see how totally depraved we are. Heck, even with laws, the world is passing morally bankrupt laws like abortion and promoting homosexuality. Ask any TRUE believer of biblical predestination, they will tell you that they are NOT DESERVING of it. While if you read some of the whiny commenters here, you'll see them crying like chumps and that they all claim to be deserving of heaven and that God is unfair. 🙄🙄🙄
God does whatever pleases Him. It is said many times in the Bible. Predestination or not, i'm so grateful im saved. God: "Who is this that obscure my plans without words of knowledge?" God is the only one who saves. It's simple
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God is not choosing!!!
God chose before eternal times who would be saved in Christ!!!
Before we did any good or evil!!
@ DAILY BREAD, I agree in full.
Actually, God KNEW before the foundations of the world who would RECEIVE Him. Big difference.
No, that isn't what the Bible teaches. God doesn't merely foreknow everything, he foreordains everything. Read Romans 9:11-24, John 6, Acts 13:48, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, and James 1:18.
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The issue for me is that if I am not called, I end up being a pawn for God in his plan to save others. I didn't have any say in being created either. If I knew I would end up in hell because I was not elect and could do nothing to change my destiny, I would rather not have been created if hell is what's in store for me.
Yes this is what I’m trying to figure out. This is what is confusing me. I need to figure this out for myself. But yes you said exactly what I am feeling.
@@SuperDhollis you know what a Calvinist answer to my objection would be?
They would say that God is not unfair in doing this, because we all deserve hell anyway. Meaning, if justice had its way, all are going to hell and God is under no obligation to grant mercy to all but he will grant it to whoever he wants to grant mercy to.
But this answer still doesn't remove the fact that some end up being created for the deliberate purpose of going to eternal hell so that others may go to heaven. It seems to be an attempt to make God "look" merciful to some. Be in reality it is the outlook of a cruel God in my opinion.
Calvinism would perhaps be fair if hell didn't exist, yet heaven still existed where God chose some to be in his loving presence for all eternity, but at no cost to his other creations.
Maybe I will develop my thoughts further as I learn more, but this is where I'm at right now.
@@phetmozhey thanks for responding. Maybe we can help each other through the journey. I believe in God and Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. But lately I been feeling like if we are predestined than how can we ensure we are saved. Than how would we even know we are walking the right path if it turns out we were damned from the beginning. Plus the things that have happened and is happening in my life now, I’m like was that meant to be. It’s just a lot to think about and I’m trying to figure it out.
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone.
Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Calvinist Crapppppppppp!
Calvinistic "predestination" is no different from the Islamic doctrine of fatalism.
1) The Islamic Surah Ibrahim 14:4 - "And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and ALLAH SENDS ASTRAY(THEREBY) WHOM HE WILLS AND GUIDES WHOM HE WILLS. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
2) The Islamic Surah 2:6-7 states, "It is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe. ALLAH HAS SET A SEAL ON THEIR HEARTS AND ON THEIR HEARING. AND ON THEIR EYES IS A VEIL; GREAT IS THE CHASTISEMENT THEY INCUR."
3) John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, section 5 - "SOME ARE PREORDAINED TO ETERNAL LIFE, OTHERS TO ETERNAL DAMNATION, and accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death."
4) "That owing to one man all pass into condemnation who are born of Adam unless they are born again in Christ, even as He has appointed them to be regenerated, before they die in the body, whom He PREDESTINATED TO EVERLASTING LIFE, as the most merciful bestower of grace; while to those whom He HAS PREDESTINATED TO ETERNAL DEATH, He is also the most righteous awarder of punishment not only on account of the sins which they add in the indulgence of their own will, but also because of their original sin, even if, as in the case of infants, they add nothing thereto. Now this is my definite view on that question, so that the hidden things of God may keep their secret, without impairing my own faith." - Augustine, City of God, On the Soul and its Origin, Book 4, Chapter 16.
5) In Islam, in the 2nd stage of "Taqdeer" (fate), it states that "Allah made a divine decree after the creation of Adam. Allah took out all of the progeny of Adam (i.e. all of the humans from the beginning of time until the end of time), and asked them "Am I not your Lord?" and all of the humans responded "We testify that You are our Lord!" THEN ALLAH DECREED TO THEM WHO SHALL GO TO PARADISE AND WHO SHALL GO TO HELL."
6) In Islam, Allah is exalted and pleased as he sends people to hell: this is the fatalistic claim of Islam. Fatalism is a belief that events are fixed in advance for all time in such a manner that human beings are powerless to change them. In this case, Allah will send to heaven whomever he pleases, and send to hell whomever he pleases. ("Unveiling Islam: An Insider’s Look at Muslim Life and Beliefs" pages 31-32, by authors Ergun Mehmet Caner and Emir Fethi Caner Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications, 2002.)
So which is it? God predestined some to be saved or anybody who calls on the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED? This is not doctrine! Anybody who calls on Jesus is saved and God predestined that they will spend eternity in heaven. Jesus didn't die for some and not others. Wake up people!
@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. I think that's written in one of those new book like contraptions....called the Bible. HOORAY
I view predestination as God having foreknowledge of all who will, of their own free will, accept or reject Him. And has prepared a unique place in Heaven for us, with that in mind. Don't go to the wedding feast, expecting a free meal, if you haven't R.S.V.P.'d... Paul said all mankind is without excuse, just by observation of nature... People of sound mind, must willfully reject Christ, to be rejected by God... It is God's will that ALL come to the Father.... That none should perish... That is why ALL are written in The Book of Life, and then are blotted out, when one willfully rejects Him... God also grants mercy to those who are not mentally capable of choosing, such as young children, and the mentally infirm. Predestination is not a concept to be afraid of.., just understood. Salvation is not a lottery... We are the determining factor, in parallel with God's will, in our Salvation. God is sovereign... God is just... God is gracious and merciful... God is GOD!☝️Amen!
@Mobulus Moby- RIGHT! EXCELLENT POINT! "All mankind is without excuse based on observation of nature itself." Well said! God knows the end from the beginning. He knows ALL who would believe on Him for Salvation. We know God says "I am NOT willing that ANYONE should perish but that ALL come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9 KJV) Those He Foreknew He Predestine to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ" (Romans 8:9). This speaks of all who God foreknew that would of their free will received Jesus as Savior, are those who he has predestine to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ.
Many people have this twisted thinking that God chooses some to be predestine for Salvation. FALSE! This is the Calvin view that God does NOT save everyone, but only those he chooses to be saved. FALSE!
If that were the case then God would of NOT said he is NOT willing that ANYONE should perish but everyone come to Repentance. (John 3:16) This is consistent with John the Baptist being the forerunner of Jesus preaching to Israel to REPENT and believe on the Messiah for Salvation. This was his core message! REPENT & BELIEVE one the one who has the Power to Save you!....and "...it is God who desires ALL people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the Truth" (1 Timothy 2:4)
All these scriptures make it very clear that Salvation is a free will CHOICE but yet Jesus said that He is the small Gate & Narrow path that leads to eternal life and there be FEW who Find it!" (Matthew 7:14). Very FEW will make a decision for being saved through Faith alone is Jesus plus nothing!
Well said for the most part precious Brethren, the presenter should take note as much of his explanation can be misleading.
Why is the term foreknew not properly realised as this is the cornerstone of the purpose for Gods ultimate decisions on all points.
1. Scripture is from God and God cannot lie. (2 Tim. 3:16; Tit. 1:2)
2. Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)
3. Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6) This future redemption of the body harmonizes to being conformed to the image of Christ (Rom 8:29) and the promise to saints in 1 John ch 3 to be like him, for "we shall see him as he is."
4. Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28). Eph 1:4 says, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:" The Calvinist reword is "chosen TO BE in him unto salvation." "Holy and without blame" describe quality of service, and the word, "should" involves an exhortation to be such, not a decree. Salvation is not mentioned in Eph 1:4.
5. Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13)
6. There are two callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or general, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)
7. Atonement is not synonymous with salvation. Christ’s death reconciles the world in universal atonement but Christ's life is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)
8. It is a false dichotomy to assert that the universal set of theological thought is divided into Calvinism and Arminianism. We Bible believers reject both. Arminianism is Calvinism light. False dichotomies are used by the Calvinist to map the opponent to an unpalatable label and thus infer that Calvinism is the only alternative.
9. God is pleased to save those that believe, not cause belief in those he saves. (1 Cor. 1:21; Rom. 10:9-10)
10. Grace is a ubiquitous reality, not a selective force. (Tit. 2:11-13)
11. Grace is just fine on its own as found in scripture. Any modifier other than “free,” such as “sovereign,” “irresistible,” or “prevenient” indicates superimposition of an ideology by someone who is either confused or attempting to confuse. (Rom. 3:24; 5:15; Jn. 1:16; Tit. 2:11-13)
12. If one is born with total inability to receive God's life-giving truth and then passed over by the calvigod who unconditionally elected not to extend the gnostic spark of regeneration to that one to enable/cause faith, then there is no better excuse (Rom 1:20.)
13. God's Word and God's life-giving truth of the gospel are the enablers of faith - "...the holy scriptures, which are ABLE to make thee wise unto salvation..." "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." The 2nd person "thee" and "ye" apply to YOU, whoever you are.
14. The gift in Eph 2:8 is eternal life, not faith (Rom 6:23.)
15. God is all loving, He loves all (without exception.) (John 3:16).
God will have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth
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You stated "essentially God predetermines that certain individuals will be saved". Apparently you're teaching unconditional election of Calvinism. However, I disagree to your interpretation of "predestination" as it doesn't intend to communicate as you proposed.
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone.
Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 that's is why I'm not a Calvinist, You say it rightly.
@@93556108 Yes, Calvinism is a heresy like eternal security encouraging people to sin
People underestimate hell, it is bad because it is separation from God. In a vision I was shown a perron who claimed to be Christian but started fornication (premarital sex), He died relatively young and went to hell forever (1 Cor 6:9). God’s holiness means He will not coexist with sinners forever therefore Repent (Luke 13:3) and have a relationship with Jesus.
Man. This is depressing yet I encourage everyone to NEVER give up. NEVER give up on your salvation. Pray to God daily!!! Ask for forgiveness daily!!! Do your best to show Him love daily!!!
"Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."
- Matthew 11:29-30 KJV
Jesus Christ is a loving savior. Let us not be swayed and have faith in the Messiah!!! Amen!
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments).
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
So sad that we will confuse people when God has clearly stated in numerous scriptures about free will! Why then would anyone want to evangelize if people already knowing who goes to heaven!
Free will is an illusion. Let just say predestination didn't exist. God still knows everything you will ever do, so in God's mind your actions are set in stone and you cannot choose anything other than what God knows you will choose.
The real question is, if God knows a person will never repent, die, and go to hell. Why would He send someone to preach the of salvation to that person?
Simply put, God has predetermined that those people who believe in Christ will be saved and become more like Christ.
God told moise hes merciful with whom hes merciful...
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone.
Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
And God intervenes and hardness hearts to reject him…. If you know voice and follow it then you are probably predestinated to have faith in him and are saved… why do you think it says their fruits will expose what’s in their heart… Every one who is saved was saved and chosen before the foundation of the earth…
We are saved and forgiven sinners…
God determines?????!!!!! this is not sound theology
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments).
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
No one who had lived in seclusion without any outside teaching from a Calvinist upon seeking God, receiving and studying a bible, would come to the conclusion that you are predestined to heaven or hell and there isn't anything you can do to change that outcome. I believe this teaching is wrong and dangerous.
Plenty of people have come to this conclusion by themselves.
1) God is all knowing
2) Therefore, God knows whether or not you will be saved before you're even born.
3) Therefore God puts some people on earth who he knows will go to hell.
And God's sovereignty he already knew who would accept Christ and who would reject Christ.
This is the third teaching. I have listened to on this today and I am utterly confused.
So I guess I don’t need to pray for my family salvation since God knows anyway, and has made His decision?
Man am I frustrated.
Look up “why I am not a Calvinist”. Brother Robert Breaker does a great job explaining. In reality, YOU have the choice to accept or reject Jesus. You can KNOW FOR SURE that you are going to Heaven ✝️
Predestination is a Biblical and all Christians should believe it, however the Calvinistic or predetermined view of predestination was introduced by Augustin to the world of theology and was not accepted in the church before.
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments).
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
The man in this video is TOTALLY NUTS!!!
Salvation is a mystery. No-one knows exactly what predestination means because it's simply a word that conveys a thought, not the detailed plan and reason God knows and understands in the way we cannot. God desires all to be saved, 2 Peter 3:9, and is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. God, in His absolute sovereignty, allows us to either choose Him or reject Him. The Holy Spirit is the key to anyone being drawn to Christ, John 6:44. However, everyone, at some point in their life, has the revelation of God presented to them, Romans 1:18-20, and is fully responsible for their pursuance of the truth of God, or the thumbing of their nose to Him. The truth is, that unless God intervened in all of our lives to some degree we would all thumb our nose at Him. And that's the point. If you believe, thank God for it. If you don't believe, inquire or perish in hell without excuse. I truly believe that if someone would believe in Jesus Christ if only they had a witness to them, that God will provide them with one. Acts 8:26-40. Good day, and God bless. Matthew 7:7-8.
@@LaoshiDJ I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is the only way to Heaven. Christianity is the only "religion" that does not allow anyone to earn their way to Heaven. It is also the ONLY "religion" whose God lives inside them. I know what I believe is true because I've been forgiven of ALL my sins against God. I know this because of the peace that is in me that replaced my shame and guilt, which was much. I now understand that my life and how I live it matters. I love this wonderful intangible being more than I love my own children. I love singing to Him. I love knowing He's listening when I speak to Him. I love the comfort He gives me when I ask Him to forgive me when I screw up. And I love knowing He loves me despite my shortcomings and failures.
@@Qui_Gon_Jinn_76Acts 13:48:
⁴⁸ And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
@@JESUS_Saves3747 John 6:45
@@Qui_Gon_Jinn_76 Ordained is ordained ! Believe because they were ordained to believe.
@FollowerOfTheLight2782 you need to read commentary on this scripture. The KJV translates the word for "lined up" or "arranged" (tasso) in Greek as (protasso) which means prearrangement. The Greek word tasso is used in this verse, not protasso.
Limited atonement and Calvinism is just flat wrong. It’s an extreme end of a spectrum that’s created by man.
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone.
Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
I’ve struggled with this ideaology and don’t quite agree with solution presented here (as a Christian) but I want to offer some other ideas (that are Bible based):
1) This isn’t a core for salvation. Predestination or not, salvation if available to everybody if YOU choose to accept Jesus’s freely given gift.
2) it doesn’t take away from Jesus dying on the cross for your sins. Again, that gift is available freely if you so CHOOSE to accept it.
3) This is a non-essential idea.
Believing or not believing in predestination does not interfere with what Jesus did or your choice to choose salvation. Some may be “predestined” but God still chooses you and you have ability to choose Him back.
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone.
Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Predestination is dangerous, disgusting and definitely not a sign of a “just” God.
A double minded, safe explanation, but unbiblical. God predestinated that whosoever will believe in His Son, shall be saved. If you reject believing in the Son, you shall be damned. Making God an unjust, unrighteous, illogical petty being, is Satan's work.
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments).
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
What if predestination is for the Kingdom of God, while eternal life is open to all?
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone.
Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Predestination- The very notion that an omniscient God who knows everything including the thoughts and motives, noble and ulterior, of every human being that has ever, or will ever be born means that everything must be predestined by him.
He knows before you are born everything that will happen to you and whether you will be a fit person to live in his fantasy land in the sky after your death. If he can look into the future what is the purpose of a judgment at some later stage, why would he judge us if he knows everything beforehand, is it so the godly can gloat over being smarter than the rest of us because they passed some test?
If the punishment for not following his multitude of rules is that we suffer being burned forever then why not consign us to that destination immediately upon our demise, why the judgment process? In fact, if this all knowing presence knows the outcome of our fate before we are born then why permit us to be born at all?
He only wants the pure of heart to live in his Heaven, that seems to be his ultimate goal, so instead of allowing us to live a life of temptation and sin (which offends him) why doesn't he look into the future of each of his creations and select the good from the bad before they complete their lives of sin, which he must already know about if he is truly omniscient?
This is just one small area of question about the personality of this so called God, there are thousands of other parts of his attitude towards humankind which should be examined in detail. If he created us just so he could allow us to be tortured for eternity then he is sadly deficient in the sense of justice that he has supposedly imprinted on the minds of most human beings.
SOME GOD.
Sorry but no it's false predestination means that God chose all humans to go to heavens not certain human. If so, then why did God said that he gives his son so that *everybody* that belives in him have eternal life ? John 3:16 Its so obvious like how can God chose who is going to hell or who's going to heaven ??!!
Good explanation - Rom ch 9 - our free will is only ever exercised according to our nature - man in his natural state can only ever sin - his nature has to be changed first ( doctrine of regeneration) - then as having a spiritually alive heart must exercise his will to exercise the gift of repentance and faith and be born again John 1.12 - Salvation is all of God - if you think God is being unfair then your view and knowledge of God is wrong/ faulty/ distorted - - check out your own relationship with Jesus as your own saviour
I've seen many of your offerings, and I've concurred with them all. On this topic, I think it would be better to say more by way of explanation, or less by way of restraint with a view toward safeguarding against possible violation of the tone of Scripture on this point.
Of principal importance is that God predestines no one to damnation. The notion that God owes nobody anything is true, yet I question whether or not the best is achieved here by standing upon the notion that God is justified in condemning us all, and so we are therefore without any consolation by way of understanding anything more of this critical issue.
Perhaps the best way one can know whether or not he has been chosen from the foundation of the world is to ask whether or not he accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. If a man believes in his heart, and confesses with his mouth that these things are true, then he will be saved. He may therefore rightly conclude that he is among those chosen from the foundation of the world.
I believe that God includes this business of predestination in Scripture so that His manifold wisdom may be demonstrated to all created beings in the ages to come. I think it's certain that we haven't heard the last of predestination :)
God's patience is as his being is, eternal. John 9
Every hour and then, my mind wanders into a mindset of whether or not I’m truly saved. Am I part of the “chosen”.
But it has been made clear to me: the fact that everything that God has let happen in my life led me to knowing Christ, is nothing short of a testament to God’s grace and mercy.
When you begin to see the profound beauty of God’s sovereignty in your life. That we as humans did and could do nothing to save ourselves - but only by the grace of God. It deepens your awe and love for him.
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments).
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
I think this is wrong, or I miss understood something. If we are predetermined to end up in a location then the decisions we make don’t matter. But if we choose to follow Christ, then and only are we destined to be saved. But we still have the free will to choose Christ.
I know this is an old video, I still have to question ... If we are 'predestined", to be saved, why did God/Jesus give us rules to follow? Why the ten commandments, why the sermon on the mount? If it doesn't matter, then what Jesus preached is irrelevant.
Thanks! This makes a lot of sense. ❤
@herfirstmate, why do you say it makes a lot of sense.? to me it doesn't make any sense.
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments).
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
💙 Predestined all. Whosoever will. This interpretation of predestination contradicts the Bible.
This is error got questions ...what happens to 2 Peter 3:9 how do you even know that you yourself are predestined...such error
God knew who would call unto him, so He chose. But none is deserving
@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC What point are you trying to make?
Okay I think I got it. It all comes down to having free will but God knowing what we are going to choose before we choose it. So in that way predestination makes sense.
I think that's foreknowledge rather than predestination.
@@stevemills1481 A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments).
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Thanks for your reply....not sure what your point is?. Help me out a bit here please. Your analogy of adoption/being chosen I understand ( a wonderful love indeed ), but surely, a couple with so much love can/will adopt but the child won't necessarily love them because they do no KNOW them...certainly they will come to love them in time, not because of some revelation, but because of the way they have been treated and in response to the love shown to them.@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
It is Not the believer who is predestined but what follows.
Your wrong on this, God want all to be saved. Scripture says God so loved the world. God calls all to salvation. What your missing is God knows the beginning from the end and knows who chooses him and who rejected him. What you preach is God made some people for hell and they never had a choice. Totally wrong on this.
When you become mature in Christ you will understand this true teaching. Read Ephesians carefully and prayerfully ask the Holy Spirit to reveal this truth to you.
Predestination is literally unjust because we didn’t choose to exist in the first place. So we didn’t choose to be born then theoretically predestined to eternal torment how is that fair exactly?
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments).
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Since you believe that you are predestined to be saved, does this impair your judgment?
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments).
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
God put me on this earth knowing I would sin and therefore "deserve" hell.
If you put a rock on a hill then push it down, can you blame the rock for falling down the hill? No. You put the rock at the top of the hill knowing it would roll down. Just like God put people on this earth knowing they would sin. Saying "They get what they deserve" is ridiculous. If I had the choice between eternal hellfire and never being born, I would choose to never exist every time.
When Paul is preaching about being predestined he is speaking about the Gentiles, remember the Jews are Gods Chosen People and some including Peter had a hard time accepting that Gentiles are to be grafted in through faith in Jesus Christ.
😂The Bible is clear about this folks 👍its a fact..
Based on you hypothesis then it is a logical conclusion that god can be considered unjust or that the creation of people not predestined to become saved is not found within god. For if god created a man and did not predestine him that means the man had no free will to choose to accept or deny god. This makes god unjust.
And if god is just then he wouldn’t create a man who has no free will to accept him or deny him. This means not all men are created by god.
Fairness and justice are two different things.
One more thing let’s understand the description and definition of predestination! If God is all knowing where this is confused it’s not that he’s Predestiny anything it’s that he knows everything before it even happens in the grammatical use of the word is Incorrectly.
Rom 8:29 and Eph 1:5 is not saying God has hand picked those to be saved. It is clear in scriptures that he wills that all men be saved. Rather what predestination means is that whomsoever out of his FREEWILL BELIEVES IN THE SON, is predestined for salvation.
Rom 8:29 says whom he did FOREKNOW; JER 1:5 says before I formed thee in the belly I KNEW THEE... So he knows us all but only those who has wilfully believed in his son are predestined to be conformed to his image.
Does the doctrine of predestination contradict the idea that God loves everyone? Can anyone elaborate
In Jeremiah 7 God says, "People built places to sacrifice their children (in fire) to foreign gods, and He (God) says, "I did NOT COMMAND this, nor did it enter my mind." So, who do we believe, Jeff Durbin, RC Sproul, James White, John Piper or God Almighty and His Holy Word, the Bible? So, while God does predestine some things, this verse clearly says NOT everything. It's like a university predestining a football team (they WILL have a team next season) but giving free will to players themselves to decide whether or not to come out for that team. God, in His Sovereignty, has the POWER to give mankind a certain degree of free will to choose or reject Him and His Christ. This free will, given to man by God, started in the garden when God said to Adam and Eve, "You can eat from any tree in the garden except the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil." God did NOT say, "You MUST eat from all of the trees except the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil," rather He gave them a choice to eat from whatever trees they chose except that one specific tree. And by the way, they CHOSE to disobey and eat from the very tree God said don't eat of it.
These are just a few of the MANY verses that speak of people making a choice; where Calvinism says, there is "No choosing" God decides. Isaiah 56:4 says, "For this is what the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who CHOOSE what pleases me..." Isaiah 65:12 says, "...I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and CHOSE what displeases me.” Isaiah 7:15 says, "...He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and CHOOSE the right..." Proverbs 3:31 says, "... Envy thou not the oppressor, and CHOOSE none of his ways." 1 Chronicles 21:11 says, "So Gad went to David and said to him, “This is what the Lord says: ‘Take your CHOICE: three years of famine, three months of being swept away before your enemies, with their swords overtaking you, or three days of the sword of the Lord..."
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone.
Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers.―Psalm 5:5
As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”―Rom. 9:13
It would be a mistake to say that God loves everyone in the same way. God has a special love for those whom he chooses to save (that love being grounded in Christ), which is what the biblical doctrine of predestination is all about. He owes grace to no one, and yet freely chooses to love some by causing them to be spiritually reborn. What a great God!
@@TobyJMoore Yes but careful not to be worldly as we aare in the end times church
LUKEWARM CHURCH/ENDTIMES CHURCH
The end times church is partly Godly and partly Wordily, so they are fake and go to hell like everyone else who doesn’t believe.
Revelation 3: 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither [a]cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
I’m a new believer. I’m not sure I have this right…God chooses some, even if they never ask for salvation, but because I asked, I may still go to heaven even if I wasn’t chosen by God? Just want to make sure I’ve heard this correctly 😅
This is a false doctrine. please don't take anything they say seriously. Just believe John 3:16 and other verses about salvation. This doctrine only makes you doubt your salvation. It's not biblical. God bless you!
Predestination is those who by faith acknowledge the finished work of Christ with repentance. God predestined them to become like His son. God did not choose who would believe and who would not. But by His foreknowledge he knows. Blessings
@@0nlyJesusSaves Predestination is clearly Biblically. This video points out the scriptures that say it. Romans 9:20 "Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"
THIS.........thank you so much brother. My husband and I have been struggling with this and your words have helped us !@@bradstrawn9708
this must be very confusing. Never lose sight of the fact that God has given us a sense of justice just as "all his ways are justice". Would a just God predestine people to life or death ,removing their freedom of choice and then reward or punish accordingly? Of course not. If it sounds unjust to us it must be unjust to God. God sets out choices that we can take or reject and then explains this through scripture, prophecy, and uses his servants to preach and explain his message of hope and life. When Adam sinned and lost the prospect of everlasting life, God set up a plan to fulfil his original purpose for mankind. This was when he purposed to send his son as a ransom for sinful mankind. He then explained this purpose through time using his prophets leading up to Jesus himself. Jesus then instructed his apostles to preach the good news of God's kingdom, the means by which his purpose would be realised.
Why would he need to have such a convoluted and detailed plan and have His Son die a painful death if everybody's future was already predestined?
God simply knew in advance that some would accept his truth and want to serve him ,and others would not.
If you would like any further help. I would be happy to help. :-) All the best
2 Peter 1:10
Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble,
Peter 3:14
Therefore, beloved, as you anticipate these things, make every effort to be found at peace--spotless and blameless in His sight
1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a man can commit is outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.
1 thessalomoans 5:22
Abstain from every form of evil
Ephesians 5:11
Have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
How can Peter and paul even say this. Making it seem as if we have a choice in what we do
Exactly right. Clearly it was possible for those who ordained by spirit to lose there favoured position, otherwise, why the warnings?
Maybe. But. What if God/Jesus foreknew the people that would believe in and obey/trust Him and therefore He predetermined that that group of souls would be the ones to be saved? That sounds plausible to me.
@Harold Zwingley Friend, do you believe Jesus is ok with your dismissive quip about a brother offering a viewpoint on a debatable issue. Sure, I may be wrong on the issue but I know I’m saved by what Jesus did on the cross for me. Not if all my doctrines are in agreement with other folks that are in need of a Savior like I am. I wish you well.
That's not predestination...that's foreknowledge
Romans 8:29 "Those whom he foreknew, he predestined", so I think it's a good point because one leads to the other. @@stevemills1481
We don't have free will if God knows ahead of time where we'll end up. The the "choice" to believe in him isn't a choice if he already decided ahead of time you were going to do that anyways.
Just because God knows what we will do before we do them doesn't take away free will, God isn't limited by space and time. If I knew that someone was going to do somthing because of time machine that wouldn't take away the fact they made that decision.
2:02 Dear me. This is a tough religion to follow. What God is _that_ ?
At age 61 I have only been learning about CALVINISM and understanding it in the last few months as a friend that I grew up with believes in this.
My spirit and the Spirit of Jesus IN ME REJECTS this. I am not a Bible scholar, but everyone should research UA-cam videos on Romans 9 and the argument against pre destination and other videos of people who have LEFT this movement.
I do not believe God is evil and he would need to be evil according to this doctrine.
Please don't just believe these people or even your church. Read the BIBLE. Seek GOD'S wisdom. PRAY!
So what’s the point to help peoples to be saved if we can’t do nothing to the fact that he will not be saved anyway ?
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone.
Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Great explanation. Thanks.
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone.
Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
There are some that confess even if you proved to them that Jesus lived, died on a cross and rose again, they would still not put their faith in Christ. God knows who will believe and CHOOSE Him before the foundation of the world or he would not be God.
The apostle Paul was destined to accept Christ as illustrated on the road to Damascus. He wasn’t looking for God but was persecuting the early church. It undeniable that God chose Paul to use for His purposes. He is God and you cannot know Him entirely, nor can you limit Him by putting Him in a box.
Because we don’t like the doctrine of predestination,it doesn’t make it untrue.
RED FLAG
God forknew not just some He for knew all mankind that He made and did NOT pre determine some would go to hell and some to Heaven. He forknew!!
W H O S O E V E R!! John 3:16 Obviously God gave ALL a choice,but he forknew our choice. He DID NOT choose for us.
Good analysis on what Predestination is. Also, most horrifying video I've watched.
Does God, our Creator and Heavenly Father, not have the same responsibility for His children as the Bible states our Earthly fathers/parents do? If so, why are so many children (the abused, the hungry, the poor, the sick, the bullied, etc etc etc) seemingly not being protected by Him? One could argue that these children never asked to be born. So, if their earthly parents cannot or will not protect and provide for them, shouldn't their Heavenly Father do so? (I am not trying to be argumentative; I would really like an answer that can help me understand why such horrific things happen to children.) Doesn't the Bible (Matthew 18:10) say that Christ said that children have angels who are in the presence of God? If not to protect them, then for what reason is it said?
@@haroldzwingley308
I do not listen to men telling me about God (the Bible tells us we need no man to teach us.) I am, therefore, muting you
All who believe in me: Jesus Christ, will be saved. Yes, BUT what you are missing is the sin of believing in the Trinity doctrine. You can believe all you want and sign Holy Holy Holy all day long, but does that save you? No. you must obey the law and there is only One God the Father who is Eternal without a beginning and only One LORD God Jesus Christ the LORD of this Recreated Earth.
All humans are sinful as a result of Adam's sin. Can Christ's saving work be less effective?
God predetermines certain individuals will be saved? That’s not what you just read in scripture.
29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed (not to save) to the image of his Son
We conform to Christ’s image AFTER, by our own free will receive salvation. Conforming to His image is a life long process.
In Jeremiah 7 God says, "People built places to sacrifice their children (in fire) to foreign gods, and He (God) says, "I did NOT COMMAND this, nor did it enter my mind." So, who do we believe, Jeff Durbin, RC Sproul, James White, John Piper or God Almighty and His Holy Word, the Bible? So, while God does predestine some things, this verse clearly says NOT everything. It's like a university predestining a football team (they WILL have a team next season) but giving free will to players themselves to decide whether or not to come out for that team. God, in His Sovereignty, has the POWER to give mankind a certain degree of free will to choose or reject Him and His Christ. This free will, given to man by God, started in the garden when God said to Adam and Eve, "You can eat from any tree in the garden except the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil." God did NOT say, "You MUST eat from all of the trees except the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil," rather He gave them a choice to eat from whatever trees they chose except that one specific tree. And by the way, they CHOSE to disobey and eat from the very tree God said don't eat of it.
These are just a few of the MANY verses that speak of people making a choice; where Calvinism says, there is "No choosing" God decides. Isaiah 56:4 says, "For this is what the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who CHOOSE what pleases me..." Isaiah 65:12 says, "...I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and CHOSE what displeases me.” Isaiah 7:15 says, "...He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and CHOOSE the right..." Proverbs 3:31 says, "... Envy thou not the oppressor, and CHOOSE none of his ways." 1 Chronicles 21:11 says, "So Gad went to David and said to him, “This is what the Lord says: ‘Take your CHOICE: three years of famine, three months of being swept away before your enemies, with their swords overtaking you, or three days of the sword of the Lord..."
We do not choose to be saved is the issue I have with this reasoning. God clearly states that we are not saved by our own choice but by God, so that no one may boast. Based off of what I understand in your comment you are saying we choose to believe or not believe in God, which sounds right, but if true the ones who do Believe in God and are saved would have a right to boast and say we are better or smarter for choosing the right faith to believe in. Rather the holy spirit convicts us and causes us to believe in Jesus and his death for our sins, therefore giving all the glory to God for our salvation and not ourselves for believing in God. I'd love to discuss this more as predestination is actually something I struggle with greatly also. Finally I'd like to say I love you and I love how passionate you are about God. Clearly you want to know all you can about God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit and what the Bible states which gives me great hope. I pray we will get to see one another in heaven and on the new earth. Praise and Glory to God Almighty❤ .
John 3:16: For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The passage does not say elect or chosen or predestined it says the world and whoever meaning absolutely everyone.
Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
The Biblical illustration should instead be like this. The man would be please to handing out an equal amount of money to the crowd. It would be the decision (free will) of the individuals to take the offered money according to their interest. The shed blood of Jesus Christ is for the world.
People should not walk away from this video thinking that God shows favoritism to some and leaves the rest to perish even though they desire God.
God can predestinate people to be saved in the sense that he knows beforehand who will respond to his gospel and who will not. God has predestined everyone to be saved.
It is impossible for God to be so grossly unfair.
Do you know the word grace.
Is it not an undeserved favour?
That means that if we don't get it, we will ultimately go to our just punishment.
I don’t really get it.
God expects too much of us?
We born sinners yet he wants perfection or like him God.
Bruh…. I don’t get how hell is just at times.
Death is better? At least in this life?
HAHAHA for many times I trusted the website as a source but now it is clear and disappointing.
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