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After this fight, Floyd fought Pedro Augusto at the Singer bowl in Queens 7/14/72 with a win, ko in 6. then a loss in the Garden 9/20/72, 7 rd. tko to Ali. Floyd never officially, retired. he resumed training at his home in New Paltz N.Y. & began training young fighters amateur & professional, All the while he stayed in splendid condition.
Pedro Augusto fight was just a tune up fight for Floyd. He got hit when he bobbed the wrong way and it blinded him. He had to knock him out quick then and he did stop him soon after, but that punch broke a bone between Floyd's eye and nose. When he fought Ali, Floyd was ahead on points. He got hit on his eye by Ali very lightly and Floyd blew his nose between that round and the next round not thinking and his eye got get swollen and closed instantly. You can see it happening if you look very closely. The fight was stopped because of it.
Probably right, but even at cruiser he'd be giving up a lot of weight as they rehydrate after the weigh in and come in at over 210 lbs. Still, Patterson with his quickness would be a tough fight for any cruiserweight.
I think the cruiserweight would have been a great division in the 1960s, because, besides Patterson, there also would have been fighters like Jerry Quarry and Doug Jones, who were both excellent but small heavyweights.
Floyd IS an all-time great. Floyd was the youngest HW Champ in history until Mike Tyson. He was the first to regain the title, something Dempsey, Louis, Walcott, Liston and Frazier all couldn't do. He did so with one of the most devastating left hooks in boxing history, against a guy who had floored him 7 times and still outweighed him by 15-20 pounds
There were many great golden era contenders who are constantly forgotten, it's a shame they didn't have multiple belts like nowadays or I feel like we would've had a lot more world champs. But Ali, Frazier and Foreman gatekeeping the lineal belt swept everyone else under the rug.
@@MichaelDuignan-p2c Yes, that is true. When I said it's a shame I moreso meant it's a shame for the fighters themselves, but not for us fans. There should only ever be one champion at a time.
Best way to define Floyd Patterson was a 'dignified man.' Just a fine individual. Olympic champion......twice heavyweight champ. Solid fighter. The one guy he just couldn't match up with was Liston. Very competitive with everyone else. Not a GREAT heavyweight in the class of Ali or Louis, but so what. Floyd never boasted he was that great. Very professional. Nice intro by John Condon. I suspect Floyd gave Sonny a shot because he was a straight shooter. He knew Sonny was the #1 contender and to be a credible champ ya gotta fight the guy! I tip my hat to Floyd. Always sold out the Garden.
Thanks for the post. I would rate it a draw, or at least a split decision. Patterson was one of the nicest guys ever been on a ring, with Frazier, Jerry Quarry and Tommy Hearns.
Esta pelea la había leído en su biografía, y el autor hablaba de un papelos, de que a Paterson lo pusieron para perder porque era muy grande y estaba en muy mal estado fisico, y asi mismo Bonabena no le pudo ganar. Pero ahora que la veo creo lo mismo que vos, fue una buena pelea de Ringo, y a Paterson le festejaban los golpes que lanzaba a la guardia, estuvo lejos de una decisión unanime.
Sí era mucho mejor de lo que parecía, porque no intentó parecer mejor? Con todo el respeto a su campeon, esa tontería de agrandarlo más de lo que es no va...Yo lo amo, pero....
@@DidacticEditionsme parece que de boxeo sabe muy poco. Bonavena peleó con Frasier y lo derribó dos veces, después perdió por puntos. Con Patterson perdió por puntos. Solamente Alí le ganó en round 15 por fuera de combate. Esos 3 boxeadores están en la historia del boxeo de EEUU. Bonavena no tenía rivales en Argentina .Bonavena uno de los 5 mejores boxeadores de peso pesado en Argentina.
Patterson punch that floored Bonavena was ruled a push, but when Patterson lost his balance, even though he threw a punch at Floyd was ruled a knock down.
When this fight took place in 1972, I was but 21-years old. I had become a big Patterson fan after his tremendous comeback win to regain his Title against Johannson. So did a lot of my boxing friends become fans of Floyd Patterson, not only his comeback win, but the way he conducted himself inside and outside the ring. We mourned after his two losses to Liston, then Floyd comes back yet again with big wins over good fighters, a young George Chuvalo being one of those wins. Then his loss to Ali, really turned many of us against Ali, for his despicable treatment of Floyd before the fight and during the fight. His lack of respect for the former champion was offensive to many boxing fans! Patterson had injured his back during this fight, severely, but continued on, doing the best he could under the circumstances. Floyd was not done yet with boxing. His hand speed had not slackened any, he could still throne those 3-punch combos with lightening speed. Floyd Patterson was a positive influence for young men entering into the boxing world. He never belittled an opponent. before, during, or after the fight was over. He was a quiet and reserved man. He was the kind of man that a father would want his son to grow up and be like. In short, Floyd was a gentleman inside and outside the ring. Patterson was one of several heavyweights that were involved in a boxing tournament to determine the new Champ. Ali had been stripped of his Title for his "refusal" to answer his countries call for duty (Draft). Floyd fought Jerry Quarry two different times in this Boxing Tournament. I saw both fights, and many boxing fans felt Floyd got robbed in the first fight that led to the second fight with Quarry. For myself, and others, I've spoken with about these two fights with Quarry, we thought that Floyd won the first fight that was ruled a draw and the same felt the same way in fight two. Floyd was "robbed" in both fights! A short while later, Floyd would fight the winner of the Boxing Tournament, Jimmy Ellis. Once again "ring robbery" reared its ugly head. Floyd broke the Champ's nose in the first round, dropped him in round 14, only to have a"clear cut" knock down ruled a slip. A referee, Harold Valan, that must have been drunk, crazy, or watching another fight to come up with his 9/6 win for Jimmy Ellis. Floyd was, in reality, a 3-time Heavyweight Champion, another ring robbery against Patterson. Floyd would have several fights "stolen" from him by bad or blind judges! The Joey Maxim fight before Pattersons wins the Title, his two-fights with Quarry being highway robbery cases, and this fight with Jimmy Ellis where the attending fans would scream, shout, and stomp this terrible call by referee Harold Valan. Yeah, I was and still am, a Floyd Patterson fan even after he lost his title. We, his fans, would cheer his wins, and mourn his few losing efforts. His conduct as a man and Heavyweight Champ was second to none! That's why he was loved and cheered for!
Man you really know your boxing my friend. I'm a bit of an authority myself if I may be so bold. I'm now in my sixties and bow to your superior knowledge.....Gladly I migjt add Sir. Thank-You David. The most interesting thing about Bonavena - by todays standards , are how the bloody guy was killed and not about his ring career. Which was vast........JRS.
@@johnsewell6593 Thank you for the kind words sir. The history of boxing has always been a fascinating subject for myself. I'm in my 70's now and the boys in the neighborhood would gather on Saturday when school was out and we trained (box). At that time Floyd Patterson was my boyhood hero. His fight with George Chuvalo made the "Fight of the Year" with Ring Magazine. Another fighter from that time period I enjoyed watching when available was Karl Mildenberger, the European Heavyweight Champion. Karl was a southpaw. but unlike British heavyweight Jack Bodell, Karl was a very smooth and talented fighter. Anyway Mr. John, thank you again and post me again sometime.
@@davidabney7700 And thank- you David. The "sweet science" will always be a fabulous topic for discussion as well as one for nostalgic thoughts of days gone by. A totally off the wall thing that just occured to me and maybe you've seen it. I was watching the Twilight Zone yesterday. The episode was entitled " Steel". Steel was portrayed by Lee Marvin ( a favorite of mine), anyways the plot was - it took place in the future ( it was produced in 1961)....the future wss supposedly 1974 - because of people getting hurt and the crooked deals involved - BOXING was BANNED outright. They used robots to fight and only robots were permitted to get in the ring. It was really thought provoking and very interestimg....I highly recommend it. It was written by Rod Serling who wrote "Requium for a Heavyweightl ". I've always loved that boxing movie also....Long may you run my friend !! JRS.
@@johnsewell6593 John, sorry about my delay in responding, had a lot of activity I had to deal with and my elderly mind failed me somewhat, just like "Battling Maxel" in the Twilight Zone episode steel. Funny, that one episode of TZ has stayed with me all these years. When it first aired in the early 60's I was a young man, and I remember hoping that constantly complaining mechanic that Lee Marvin had with him, would fix Battling Maxel up enough to fight. Great viewing! My favorite Patterson fight was one that he lost. He fought reigning WBC Heavyweight Champion Jimmy Ellis. Floyd broke the nose of Ellis in round 1, and from that point forward Floyd manhandled Ellis in various rounds, going into the 15th.Floyd's hand speed that night was amazing! Many of the fight fans viewing the fight felt like Floyd won, I certainly thought that. The booing that started as soon as the announcer called out that Jimmy won. Floyd, being the gentleman he had been all of his fight career, accepted this flawed verdict with the kind of dignity rarely seen. The decision was done by the referee (Alan) who was the sole judge. He had Floyd losing by a margin that was not seen by the fans. Take care sir and thank you for your response.
Oh, be serious! Patterson never deserved to be champ at all. Not for a minute. He ducked Liston for years before he was finally forced to fight him because President Kennedy told him to. Liston would have crushed Patterson any time. So would Cleveland Williams. Marciano would’ve slaughtered Patterson if he had come out of retirement.
@@bakgammon Let’s face it, if President Kennedy hadn’t asked Patterson “When are you going to fight Sonny Liston?”, he probably wouldn’t have fought him at all. Even then, D’Amato didn’t want him to do it but Patterson overrode his manager to his time, I give him credit for that. But that was six years after he gained the title and Liston was primed and waiting for him the whole time.
@@stevenyourke7901 You are just a hater. Floyd fired his manager to fight Liston. JFK was against him taking the fight either. Marciano retired to avoid meeting Floyd in the ring. He avoided Nino Valdes and other people too. Marciano wanted to come back to fight Johansson,but decided to remain retired after Floyd won the rematch with Johansson. Marciano never responded Floyd's offers to fight him.
@@stevenyourke7901 President Kennedy Floyd “When are you going to fight Sonny Liston?” a few month before the fight took place. It was when Floyd was invited to see him in the Whitehouse. It was just a conversation starter. President Kennedy said to Floyd “When are you going to fight Sonny Liston?” a few month before the fight took place. It was when Floyd was invited to see him in the Whitehouse. It was just a conversation starter. You need to take a good look at yourself and give a serious thought on your personality. Leaving such hate comments for what ? No one cares to pay attention to you anyway. Leaving derogatory statements here and there won't make you look or do any good for your own well being. The man was loved from everyone for good reasons. Why don't you try to see why ? Instead of wasting your energy this way.
Floyd beat Oscar. That was a golden victory for a comeback fighter. The native New Yorker lasted a long time. Floyd did just fine in spite of losses. He is missed.
@@garymorell3362 He was a great fighter. He didn't have a weak jaw either. He was just fighting much bigger men. He was knocked down 17 times in his title fights and he got back up all 17 times. He was never counted out off his feet. People with a glass jaw or an weak heart would stay down when they are hurt. Floyd was a natural middleweight fighting top heavyweights. He used to walk around under 175 even in his championship years. He was around 168 in 1980's. That was his natural weight. He fought as a heavyweight because the heavyweight is the top of boxing world and he wanted nothing less. He could have fought in middleweight and Lt heavyweight,but he wasn't interested.
El mejor. Peso pesado. De. Sudamérica. No. Abra. Otro. Igual. El primero que se animó a subir. Al. Ring. En. EEUU. Con una remera. Que. Decía. Las Malvinas. Son. Argentinas. Mucho. Coraje. Y. Nacionalismo. Ese. Era. Bonavena. Mi. IDOLO 💪💪🇦🇷🇦🇷👏👏
Bonavena was not the shadow of that fight with Fraizer, Ali, Chuvalo was very much aware of his lack of training for this fight and Patterson won very well
Fight machine just so happen to be fighting in the Golden Heavyweight era very underrated.. in his heyday he fight everybody dude literally fought 7 fights in 1970 alone went 20 rounds strait with The Great Joe Frazier and 15 rounds with Ali both in their prime.. He fought 68 fights in just 12 years that’s 5 1/2 fights per year all by the age of just 33 sheesh that jus show his durability drive and will took on any challenge and gave his all every time… Rip Ringo
Floyd &:Mike were both adopted as sons by Cus D'Amato. I still believe that Cus's passing hurt Mike Tyson personally and professionally, more than any other single thing in Mike's life.
Smokin Joe, only got to the Olympics because Buster Mathias, who beat Joe in Olympic Trials broke his thumb and Joe was his replacement, and Joe Won the gold
Shortly after Patterson's death, I was listening to a world title fight on the radio (I can't even remember who was fighting). Before the fight the ring announcer called for 10 seconds' silence in memory of Patterson, while the ring bell was rung 10 times. Of course some drunken motormouths in the audience couldn't keep quiet, and continued to mouth off during the 10 seconds. It was most disrespectful to a great champion and I was disgusted.
Addie had suddenly died sometime-i believe-after the 3/08/71 Frazier-Ali Fight o' th'Century and the Garden brass were using different guys t'fill in during that aftermath
Bonavena got robbed in his fight with Frazier, had him floored twice in the second round and it went 10 rounds. Frazier pressed the action as usual, but Bonavena scored more overall, shitty NYC judging.
Bonavena reminds me of Roldan the middleweight who fought a peak Hagler ….Roldan had a lot of success early of against Marvin because he was so ungainly, strong and rough …..
Patterson is truly a great champion. He KO's Henry Cooper putting him down twice an easily beating Bonavena. I wonder how he would have fare against Frazier.
I would have liked to see Floyd get a shot at Frazier after this win in '72. Frazier fought Stander and Daniels in '72, both who were barely top 20. Frazier was severely diminished after his win over Ali and although he probably would have KO'd Floyd, it would have been more interesting than either Daniels or Stander.
Frazier would have murdered every fighter all of you have mentioned maybe with the exception of Rocky Marciano. That's funny you think Patterson would last a round against Frazier as soon Frazier lands that left ,which will hit him much harder than Liston ever did, he'll be demolished . Why would Rocky Marciano an undefeated champion with 49 wins 43 knock outs retire because of weak young Floyd Patterson who had only 4 years of experience wasn't even known properly lol. He had no reason to duck Floyd haha Floyd is the one who ducks
Bonavena. Le. Ganó. A Frazier. A. Patterson y. Le. Robaron. Las. Peleas. Y. Con. ALI. Le. Pusieron. Más. Acolchado. Al. Piso. Del. Ring. Porque. El. Tenía. Pues. Plano. Y. Ensima le. Pego. En. El. Piso. Todos. EEUU. Contra. Ringo. Pero. A. Esos. Boxeadores. Nadie. Les. Pego. Tanto. Cómo. Bonavena. Inolvidable 💪💪👏👏🇦🇷🇦🇷
I assume Floyd wanted another shot at the championship but does anyone think he would have handled Frazier? A year later it would have been Foreman. He fought Liston twice so he was not afraid to tackle the best.
Didn't see this as a Patterson win. Certainly not a unanimous one. It smacked of a hometown/sentimental decision for Floyd. I think you could argue that Oscar sneaked it through his more consistent aggressive intent, while Floyd spent a lot of time simply bouncing up and down out of range. However an overall fairer decision would have been a draw
I know this was not Floyd's last fight but it was his last big win. I am sure that at his advanced age and diminutive stature, it was dicey that he would handle this bull
This film (Colorized) is too dark to tell but Most of Oscar's punches are missing or landing on Floyds gloves. You might want to look for the original B&W WPIX Broadcast. I saw the original here on the tube and had a ringside seat for the live fight.
+Kevin Cordoba-Llanos Condon did a good job. The fellow that took over permanently for Johnnie Addie was Joe Bostic, who was no great shakes. But Bostic had to follow Addie who was obviously a legend.
Dana Preis Yea I loved John Condon as the Knicks announcer, better than all the shitty NBA announcers of today. He did a good job commenting the Norton vs Quarry fight and the Carlos Monzon vs Tony Licata fight. Yea Johnny Addie was from the old school, thats why l like him.
Dana Preis Yea they dont do that anymore. Kind of sad. I like Addie and Condon because they dont try to make it about themselves, like Michael Buffer does. I do love Jimmy Lennon Sr as well.
El mejor Bonavena ya había pasado, había dejado todo con Alí; un Patterson entrado en años lo venció claramente y le iba diciendo que, aunque solo tenía 30 años, fuera pensando en el retiro.
@@rulialberico9520 Este comentario tonto lo hace parecer blandito. Bonavena peleó con los mejores de su época. Perdió sí, por puntos, dando y recibiendo HASTA EL FINAL. Incluso con Alí bancó los 15 rounds y si el árbitro hubiera mantenido a Alí en su rincón mientras contaba, no hubiera ocurrido la tercer caída antes de la campana. Aguerrido y con huevos bien grandes tiró dos veces a Joe Frazier. Un verdadero guapo del ring.
@@eduardodanzi7588 Guapo si, campeón nunca, es triste pero es asi. Dejando de lado el fanatismo y las "tonterías", Bonavena después de Alí ya no fue el mismo, Patterson al momento de esta pelea tenía 37 años y Ringo sólo 29, pero no lo pudo vencer, puso "huevos" y todo lo q se te ocurra, pero para ser campeón del mundo hace falta mas q eso.
@@rulialberico9520 Exacto, era carismático, entrador, familiero, prometía "matarlo al negro", pero el q volvía todo magullado era él. De los boxeadores 1a. línea no le ganó a ninguno.
Ganó Paterson corriendo toda la pelea y encima Ringo lo volteó con cuenta hmmmmmm como se robaba en aquellos años igual q cuando lo tiro 2 veces a Frazier .....
They introduced Joe Frazier as the "1968 Olympic Champion", but that's not correct.. Frazier won the Olympics in 1964. & He won the Professional Vacant Heavyweight Title in 1968
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Everybody loved Patterson..He was a very humble man and great fighter.. He is highly missed!
He was a gentile mans boxer.
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Pretty impressive for Patterson to have such quick movement and crisp punches late in the fight. He looked like he’d never lost a stepmover the years.
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Oscar is one strong looking dude.
Floyd was 37 years old he looks very good for that age.
Certainly did
After this fight, Floyd fought Pedro Augusto at the Singer bowl in Queens 7/14/72 with a win, ko in 6. then a loss in the Garden 9/20/72, 7 rd. tko to Ali. Floyd never officially, retired. he resumed training at his home in New Paltz N.Y. & began training young fighters amateur & professional, All the while he stayed in splendid condition.
Pedro Augusto fight was just a tune up fight for Floyd. He got hit when he bobbed the wrong way and it blinded him. He had to knock him out quick then and he did stop him soon after, but that punch broke a bone between Floyd's eye and nose. When he fought Ali, Floyd was ahead on points. He got hit on his eye by Ali very lightly and Floyd blew his nose between that round and the next round not thinking and his eye got get swollen and closed instantly. You can see it happening if you look very closely. The fight was stopped because of it.
If there was a Cruiserweight class in Patterson's day he would be considered one of the all time greats
no kiddin'
Probably right, but even at cruiser he'd be giving up a lot of weight as they rehydrate after the weigh in and come in at over 210 lbs. Still, Patterson with his quickness would be a tough fight for any cruiserweight.
Facts
I think the cruiserweight would have been a great division in the 1960s, because, besides Patterson, there also would have been fighters like Jerry Quarry and Doug Jones, who were both excellent but small heavyweights.
Floyd IS an all-time great. Floyd was the youngest HW Champ in history until Mike Tyson. He was the first to regain the title, something Dempsey, Louis, Walcott, Liston and Frazier all couldn't do. He did so with one of the most devastating left hooks in boxing history, against a guy who had floored him 7 times and still outweighed him by 15-20 pounds
We forget about some of the great fighters outside the USA during that era. Bonavena, Chuvalo, Bugner, etc.
There were many great golden era contenders who are constantly forgotten, it's a shame they didn't have multiple belts like nowadays or I feel like we would've had a lot more world champs. But Ali, Frazier and Foreman gatekeeping the lineal belt swept everyone else under the rug.
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All the Alphabet Soup titles have ruined boxing. I haven't been excited about a title bout in decades.
Karl Mildenberger, zeigte einen großen Kampf, in Frankfurt 1966,
gegen Ali.
@@thomasmacdonough288 ? Multiple belts has been terrible for boxing
@@MichaelDuignan-p2c
Yes, that is true. When I said it's a shame I moreso meant it's a shame for the fighters themselves, but not for us fans. There should only ever be one champion at a time.
Best way to define Floyd Patterson was a 'dignified man.' Just a fine individual. Olympic champion......twice heavyweight champ. Solid fighter. The one guy he just couldn't match up with was Liston. Very competitive with everyone else. Not a GREAT heavyweight in the class of Ali or Louis, but so what. Floyd never boasted he was that great. Very professional. Nice intro by John Condon. I suspect Floyd gave Sonny a shot because he was a straight shooter. He knew Sonny was the #1 contender and to be a credible champ ya gotta fight the guy! I tip my hat to Floyd. Always sold out the Garden.
Don Dunphy was a great broadcaster!!!!
Thanks for the post.
I would rate it a draw, or at least a split decision. Patterson was one of the nicest guys ever been on a ring, with Frazier, Jerry Quarry and Tommy Hearns.
Grande Ringo. No le tenía miedo a nadie y era mucho mejor de lo que parecía. Un enorme boxeador.
Esta pelea la había leído en su biografía, y el autor hablaba de un papelos, de que a Paterson lo pusieron para perder porque era muy grande y estaba en muy mal estado fisico, y asi mismo Bonabena no le pudo ganar. Pero ahora que la veo creo lo mismo que vos, fue una buena pelea de Ringo, y a Paterson le festejaban los golpes que lanzaba a la guardia, estuvo lejos de una decisión unanime.
Yeah I love Ringo he always comes forward he's like a Bull
Sí era mucho mejor de lo que parecía, porque no intentó parecer mejor? Con todo el respeto a su campeon, esa tontería de agrandarlo más de lo que es no va...Yo lo amo, pero....
@@DidacticEditionsme parece que de boxeo sabe muy poco. Bonavena peleó con Frasier y lo derribó dos veces, después perdió por puntos. Con Patterson perdió por puntos. Solamente Alí le ganó en round 15 por fuera de combate. Esos 3 boxeadores están en la historia del boxeo de EEUU. Bonavena no tenía rivales en Argentina .Bonavena uno de los 5 mejores boxeadores de peso pesado en Argentina.
@@Felipe4352 claro, claro bla bla. Por algo se recuerdan los grandes y el resto se olvida
Thank you for this 🤗
Patterson punch that floored Bonavena was ruled a push, but when Patterson lost his balance, even though he threw a punch at Floyd was ruled a knock down.
Controversial moment
Wish today's Commentary were as quiet during Fights as they were back then 🤔
Amen Brother.
Now there are three to four blabber mouths never shutting up !
@@uncjim 🙏
@@GilturnerknocksoutphonyFloyd worse still those 3/4 are fighting over each other to put their tuppence in. 🙏✌️
When this fight took place in 1972, I was but 21-years old. I had become a big Patterson fan after his tremendous comeback win to regain his Title against Johannson. So did a lot of my boxing friends become fans of Floyd Patterson, not only his comeback win, but the way he conducted himself inside and outside the ring. We mourned after his two losses to Liston, then Floyd comes back yet again with big wins over good fighters, a young George Chuvalo being one of those wins. Then his loss to Ali, really turned many of us against Ali, for his despicable treatment of Floyd before the fight and during the fight. His lack of respect for the former champion was offensive to many boxing fans! Patterson had injured his back during this fight, severely, but continued on, doing the best he could under the circumstances. Floyd was not done yet with boxing. His hand speed had not slackened any, he could still throne those 3-punch combos with lightening speed. Floyd Patterson was a positive influence for young men entering into the boxing world. He never belittled an opponent. before, during, or after the fight was over. He was a quiet and reserved man. He was the kind of man that a father would want his son to grow up and be like. In short, Floyd was a gentleman inside and outside the ring. Patterson was one of several heavyweights that were involved in a boxing tournament to determine the new Champ. Ali had been stripped of his Title for his "refusal" to answer his countries call for duty (Draft). Floyd fought Jerry Quarry two different times in this Boxing Tournament. I saw both fights, and many boxing fans felt Floyd got robbed in the first fight that led to the second fight with Quarry. For myself, and others, I've spoken with about these two fights with Quarry, we thought that Floyd won the first fight that was ruled a draw and the same felt the same way in fight two. Floyd was "robbed" in both fights! A short while later, Floyd would fight the winner of the Boxing Tournament, Jimmy Ellis. Once again "ring robbery" reared its ugly head. Floyd broke the Champ's nose in the first round, dropped him in round 14, only to have a"clear cut" knock down ruled a slip. A referee, Harold Valan, that must have been drunk, crazy, or watching another fight to come up with his 9/6 win for Jimmy Ellis. Floyd was, in reality, a 3-time Heavyweight Champion, another ring robbery against Patterson. Floyd would have several fights "stolen" from him by bad or blind judges! The Joey Maxim fight before Pattersons wins the Title, his two-fights with Quarry being highway robbery cases, and this fight with Jimmy Ellis where the attending fans would scream, shout, and stomp this terrible call by referee Harold Valan. Yeah, I was and still am, a Floyd Patterson fan even after he lost his title. We, his fans, would cheer his wins, and mourn his few losing efforts. His conduct as a man and Heavyweight Champ was second to none! That's why he was loved and cheered for!
Man you really know your boxing my friend. I'm a bit of an authority myself if I may be so bold. I'm now in my sixties and bow to your superior knowledge.....Gladly I migjt add Sir. Thank-You David. The most interesting thing about Bonavena - by todays standards , are how the bloody guy was killed and not about his ring career. Which was vast........JRS.
@@johnsewell6593 Thank you for the kind words sir. The history of boxing has always been a fascinating subject for myself. I'm in my 70's now and the boys in the neighborhood would gather on Saturday when school was out and we trained (box). At that time Floyd Patterson was my boyhood hero. His fight with George Chuvalo made the "Fight of the Year" with Ring Magazine. Another fighter from that time period I enjoyed watching when available was Karl Mildenberger, the European Heavyweight Champion. Karl was a southpaw. but unlike British heavyweight Jack Bodell, Karl was a very smooth and talented fighter. Anyway Mr. John, thank you again and post me again sometime.
@@davidabney7700 And thank- you David. The "sweet science" will always be a fabulous topic for discussion as well as one for nostalgic thoughts of days gone by. A totally off the wall thing that just occured to me and maybe you've seen it. I was watching the Twilight Zone yesterday. The episode was entitled " Steel". Steel was portrayed by Lee Marvin ( a favorite of mine), anyways the plot was - it took place in the future ( it was produced in 1961)....the future wss supposedly 1974 - because of people getting hurt and the crooked deals involved - BOXING was BANNED outright. They used robots to fight and only robots were permitted to get in the ring. It was really thought provoking and very interestimg....I highly recommend it. It was written by Rod Serling who wrote "Requium for a Heavyweightl ". I've always loved that boxing movie also....Long may you run my friend !! JRS.
@@johnsewell6593 John, sorry about my delay in responding, had a lot of activity I had to deal with and my elderly mind failed me somewhat, just like "Battling Maxel" in the Twilight Zone episode steel. Funny, that one episode of TZ has stayed with me all these years. When it first aired in the early 60's I was a young man, and I remember hoping that constantly complaining mechanic that Lee Marvin had with him, would fix Battling Maxel up enough to fight. Great viewing! My favorite Patterson fight was one that he lost. He fought reigning WBC Heavyweight Champion Jimmy Ellis. Floyd broke the nose of Ellis in round 1, and from that point forward Floyd manhandled Ellis in various rounds, going into the 15th.Floyd's hand speed that night was amazing! Many of the fight fans viewing the fight felt like Floyd won, I certainly thought that. The booing that started as soon as the announcer called out that Jimmy won. Floyd, being the gentleman he had been all of his fight career, accepted this flawed verdict with the kind of dignity rarely seen. The decision was done by the referee (Alan) who was the sole judge. He had Floyd losing by a margin that was not seen by the fans. Take care sir and thank you for your response.
@@davidabney7700 No problem David. Its been a pleasure chewing the fat with you. Long may you run my friend.....JRS.
This was the stand out result of Floyd's later career.
Floyd Patterson deserved to hold the World Heavyweight Title for those 6 years and be the youngest and 1st man to regain the belt.
Oh, be serious! Patterson never deserved to be champ at all. Not for a minute. He ducked Liston for years before he was finally forced to fight him because President Kennedy told him to. Liston would have crushed Patterson any
time. So would Cleveland Williams. Marciano would’ve slaughtered Patterson if he had come out of retirement.
@@stevenyourke7901 Cus did, not Floyd.
@@bakgammon Let’s face it, if President Kennedy hadn’t asked Patterson “When are you going to fight Sonny Liston?”, he probably wouldn’t have fought him at all. Even then, D’Amato didn’t want him to do it but Patterson overrode his manager to his time, I give him credit for that. But that was six years after he gained the title and Liston was primed and waiting for him the whole time.
@@stevenyourke7901 You are just a hater. Floyd fired his manager to fight Liston. JFK was against him taking the fight either. Marciano retired to avoid meeting Floyd in the ring. He avoided Nino Valdes and other people too. Marciano wanted to come back to fight Johansson,but decided to remain retired after Floyd won the rematch with Johansson. Marciano never responded Floyd's offers to fight him.
@@stevenyourke7901 President Kennedy Floyd “When are you going to fight Sonny Liston?” a few month before the fight took place. It was when Floyd was invited to see him in the Whitehouse. It was just a conversation starter. President Kennedy said to Floyd “When are you going to fight Sonny Liston?” a few month before the fight took place. It was when Floyd was invited to see him in the Whitehouse. It was just a conversation starter. You need to take a good look at yourself and give a serious thought on your personality. Leaving such hate comments for what ? No one cares to pay attention to you anyway. Leaving derogatory statements here and there won't make you look or do any good for your own well being. The man was loved from everyone for good reasons. Why don't you try to see why ? Instead of wasting your energy this way.
i break down floyds strengths and weaknesses, come watch!
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Siempre es recordado entre los grandes del boxeo y el boxeo como espectáculo de multitudes.
This might be Patterson’s greatest win when you consider his age and how many times he’d been knocked down in his career.
For some reason Joe Frazier WOULD NOT fight Floyd Patterson. Patterson should have gotten a Title shot vs Joe.
Good morning l love both Floyd and Joe but let me tell you this here and now. Patterson stood two chances against Frazier slim and none.
Floyd beat Oscar. That was a golden victory for a comeback fighter. The native New Yorker lasted a long time. Floyd did just fine in spite of losses. He is missed.
Floyd winning fights at 184 pounds against legit HW Oscar
I never rooted against Floyd Patterson.
patterson was gifted fighter lot of skill but a glass jaw
@@jimvolk9911 If Patterson had a stronger jaw he would have been a great fighter.
@@garymorell3362 He was a great fighter. He didn't have a weak jaw either. He was just fighting much bigger men. He was knocked down 17 times in his title fights and he got back up all 17 times. He was never counted out off his feet. People with a glass jaw or an weak heart would stay down when they are hurt. Floyd was a natural middleweight fighting top heavyweights. He used to walk around under 175 even in his championship years. He was around 168 in 1980's. That was his natural weight. He fought as a heavyweight because the heavyweight is the top of boxing world and he wanted nothing less. He could have fought in middleweight and Lt heavyweight,but he wasn't interested.
El mejor. Peso pesado. De. Sudamérica. No. Abra. Otro. Igual. El primero que se animó a subir. Al. Ring. En. EEUU. Con una remera. Que. Decía. Las Malvinas. Son. Argentinas. Mucho. Coraje. Y. Nacionalismo. Ese. Era. Bonavena. Mi. IDOLO 💪💪🇦🇷🇦🇷👏👏
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Johnny Carson spoke of Ali saying George Foreman telegraphed his punches and said that Frazier got the message.
didn,t see Floyd doing enough to win this fight, clearly a Ringo win
Bonavena was not the shadow of that fight with Fraizer, Ali, Chuvalo was very much aware of his lack of training for this fight and Patterson won very well
Fight machine just so happen to be fighting in the Golden Heavyweight era very underrated.. in his heyday he fight everybody dude literally fought 7 fights in 1970 alone went 20 rounds strait with The Great Joe Frazier and 15 rounds with Ali both in their prime.. He fought 68 fights in just 12 years that’s 5 1/2 fights per year all by the age of just 33 sheesh that jus show his durability drive and will took on any challenge and gave his all every time… Rip Ringo
Patterson must’ve been in superb condition here. He danced on his toes the entire fight.
He threw 5 punches per round
Floyd &:Mike were both adopted as sons by Cus D'Amato. I still believe that Cus's passing hurt Mike Tyson personally and professionally, more than any other single thing in Mike's life.
Joe Frazier won the gold medal in Tokyo in 1964, George Foreman won the gold in Mexico City in 1968. John Condon erred.
Smokin Joe, only got to the Olympics because Buster Mathias, who beat Joe in Olympic Trials broke his thumb and Joe was his replacement, and Joe Won the gold
@@JomoDaMusicManTrue, but it Mathis, not Mathias, and Joe kicked his ass in the pro ranks, a KO, or TKO, if I remember correctly.
Wow. This fight has more exciting action that the Thrilla In Manilla.
Shortly after Patterson's death, I was listening to a world title fight on the radio (I can't even remember who was fighting). Before the fight the ring announcer called for 10 seconds' silence in memory of Patterson, while the ring bell was rung 10 times. Of course some drunken motormouths in the audience couldn't keep quiet, and continued to mouth off during the 10 seconds. It was most disrespectful to a great champion and I was disgusted.
Wow, I didnt know John Condon also was a ring announcer for boxing, I knew he did the knicks
Addie had suddenly died sometime-i believe-after the 3/08/71 Frazier-Ali Fight o' th'Century and the Garden brass were using different guys t'fill in during that aftermath
Con razón Allí le puso conejo. Aguante Bonavena, grande Argentina!!
Porqué ése apodo
Siempre fue al frente ringo
El único que retrocedía en los combates era. Ali
Bonavena got robbed in his fight with Frazier, had him floored twice in the second round and it went 10 rounds. Frazier pressed the action as usual, but Bonavena scored more overall, shitty NYC judging.
Que gran leyenda Oscar ringo
Bonavena reminds me of Roldan the middleweight who fought a peak Hagler ….Roldan had a lot of success early of against Marvin because he was so ungainly, strong and rough …..
Patterson is truly a great champion. He KO's Henry Cooper putting him down twice an easily beating Bonavena. I wonder how he would have fare against Frazier.
frazier was to much for patterson good they never fought
Patterson vs Frazier wouldve been great, I think Frazier gets the best of him and wins by KO in later rounds though
Frazier wud of easily won…
I would have liked to see Floyd get a shot at Frazier after this win in '72. Frazier fought Stander and Daniels in '72, both who were barely top 20. Frazier was severely diminished after his win over Ali and although he probably would have KO'd Floyd, it would have been more interesting than either Daniels or Stander.
Frazier didn't want Floyd neither did Marciano. They BOTH ducked Floyd for some reason. Marciano retired rather than fight Floyd.
Joe ducked MANY fighters including Floyd in the 60's, then Ron Lyle and Earnie Shavers in the 70's.
Frazier wouldve KILLED Patterson!
Frazier would have murdered every fighter all of you have mentioned maybe with the exception of Rocky Marciano.
That's funny you think Patterson would last a round against Frazier as soon Frazier lands that left ,which will hit him much harder than Liston ever did, he'll be demolished .
Why would Rocky Marciano an undefeated champion with 49 wins 43 knock outs retire because of weak young Floyd Patterson who had only 4 years of experience wasn't even known properly lol. He had no reason to duck Floyd haha Floyd is the one who ducks
Frazier would have beat Lyles and Shavers . They were nowhere near Fraziers level smh
Was sad what Happened to Oscar, a real old fashioned scrapper. Floyd as classy as ever. Good fight
Kind of tough competing for a title shot when the top contenders in your division are George Foreman and Muhammad Ali.
Who's that headless guy?
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gran boxeador Bonavena
Bonavena. Le. Ganó. A Frazier. A. Patterson y. Le. Robaron. Las. Peleas. Y. Con. ALI. Le. Pusieron. Más. Acolchado. Al. Piso. Del. Ring. Porque. El. Tenía. Pues. Plano. Y. Ensima le. Pego. En. El. Piso. Todos. EEUU. Contra. Ringo. Pero. A. Esos. Boxeadores. Nadie. Les. Pego. Tanto. Cómo. Bonavena. Inolvidable 💪💪👏👏🇦🇷🇦🇷
I assume Floyd wanted another shot at the championship but does anyone think he would have handled Frazier? A year later it would have been Foreman. He fought Liston twice so he was not afraid to tackle the best.
He also fought Ali twice
Didn't see this as a Patterson win. Certainly not a unanimous one. It smacked of a hometown/sentimental decision for Floyd. I think you could argue that Oscar sneaked it through his more consistent aggressive intent, while Floyd spent a lot of time simply bouncing up and down out of range. However an overall fairer decision would have been a draw
There was a Spiderman villain called Kraven the Hunter.
I know this was not Floyd's last fight but it was his last big win. I am sure that at his advanced age and diminutive stature, it was dicey that he would handle this bull
Named my first cat after Bonavena
Rocky character had Ringo as a model... great theater
Sorry, Rocky was modeled after the Ali v Wepner fight.
Hard to see how Patterson won unanimously. Floyd did not do enough offensively. Ringo knocked down Patterson early. My scoring card was 4-4-2. Draw.
This film (Colorized) is too dark to tell but Most of Oscar's punches are missing or landing on Floyds gloves. You might want to look for the original B&W WPIX Broadcast. I saw the original here on the tube and had a ringside seat for the live fight.
The knockdown was more of a slip, and shouldn't have been judged a knockdown.
Fue empate grande ringo
Condon announced some fights after Johnny Addee died, but not too many.
+Dana Preis I didnt know he did. I knew he was the announcer for the Knicks. Should have stayed as ring announcer, did a good job.
+Kevin Cordoba-Llanos Condon did a good job. The fellow that took over permanently for Johnnie Addie was Joe Bostic, who was no great shakes. But Bostic had to follow Addie who was obviously a legend.
Dana Preis Yea I loved John Condon as the Knicks announcer, better than all the shitty NBA announcers of today. He did a good job commenting the Norton vs Quarry fight and the Carlos Monzon vs Tony Licata fight.
Yea Johnny Addie was from the old school, thats why l like him.
And boxing at the Garden was amazing in those days. I used to love the pre-fight introductions of all the former greats. So amazing.
Dana Preis Yea they dont do that anymore. Kind of sad. I like Addie and Condon because they dont try to make it about themselves, like Michael Buffer does. I do love Jimmy Lennon Sr as well.
Vamos Ringo carajo
El mejor Bonavena ya había pasado, había dejado todo con Alí; un Patterson entrado en años lo venció claramente y le iba diciendo que, aunque solo tenía 30 años, fuera pensando en el retiro.
Claramente viste otra pelea
Bonavena era un personaje simpático, el típico ocurrente Argentino ,con los boxeadores más importantes perdió siempre ,pero era un buen tipo ,
@@rulialberico9520 Este comentario tonto lo hace parecer blandito. Bonavena peleó con los mejores de su época. Perdió sí, por puntos, dando y recibiendo HASTA EL FINAL. Incluso con Alí bancó los 15 rounds y si el árbitro hubiera mantenido a Alí en su rincón mientras contaba, no hubiera ocurrido la tercer caída antes de la campana. Aguerrido y con huevos bien grandes tiró dos veces a Joe Frazier. Un verdadero guapo del ring.
@@eduardodanzi7588 Guapo si, campeón nunca, es triste pero es asi. Dejando de lado el fanatismo y las "tonterías", Bonavena después de Alí ya no fue el mismo, Patterson al momento de esta pelea tenía 37 años y Ringo sólo 29, pero no lo pudo vencer, puso "huevos" y todo lo q se te ocurra, pero para ser campeón del mundo hace falta mas q eso.
@@rulialberico9520 Exacto, era carismático, entrador, familiero, prometía "matarlo al negro", pero el q volvía todo magullado era él.
De los boxeadores 1a. línea no le ganó a ninguno.
Patterson's the One!
Corrio toda la pelea y se le cayo la tanga contra ringo. Yanqui mafioso
@@nahuelarce445 quien habla de mafioso.. jajajajaja
@@meximexico745 lógica pura de la época y además un argentino en estados unidos. Fijate vos.
@@nahuelarce445 que tiene que ver eso?
Floyd patterson fue un gran peso pesado. Y fue entrenado por el mismo entrenador de tyson.
@@colorado2455 obvio que fue grande. Pero mucha mafia, basta con solo verlo
I have yet to see 'Ringo' fight what I would consider a 'clean' fight.
And now......let's hear from the experts.
Patterson, my idea of what a Heavyweight Champion is…
down under is Australia, not Argentina.
Bonavena se lesiono su mano izquierda en el 4 round
FAIR
Did he say Patterson had the fastest hands when Muhammad Ali was boxing
He had faster hands than Ali, but Ali was fast in everything, thats the difference.
@@T1Creator Patterson was the fastest and most accurate puncher. Ali had fast hands but had many misses which does not count.
YEAH, AND EVEN ALI SAID IT.
Ganó Paterson corriendo toda la pelea y encima Ringo lo volteó con cuenta hmmmmmm como se robaba en aquellos años igual q cuando lo tiro 2 veces a Frazier .....
Lo robaron en dos peleas por lo menos. Una vs Frazier 1.
Patterson is a great running man in this figth.
He never stood still.
@@kevinquinn3763 WAS HE SUPPOSED TO?
Ali called it he's riding his bicycle.
La idea que me queda es que en todas sus peleas iba una velocidad menos que sus rivales, como en cámara lenta, otra marcha
timing was odd, introducing all the former champs, while the fighters for this bout have to hang around getting cold.... （⌒▽⌒）
Thank god they didn't rob a washed up close to 40th patterson here
Look likes Oscar was the w
Winnaar
Bonavena Sparring jejjjeje
One good round, the last. Not much of a fight ! Should have been a draw ! Love old Floyd….but he did not do much
Bonavena oeleo con los mejores con leyendas ..hoy los pesopesados son un fiasco a comparacion de bonavena y rivales
Ringo strong guy
I don’t think anyone has ever knocked down Oscar.
Except Ali 3 times for sure
@@MichaelDuignan-p2c I had forgotten about that. It’s was amazing.
Digam sino , la leyenda de rocky no fue por ringo!!!?
Olvidate, es ali vs bonavena, hasta las mismas siglas, R.b.
Ringo se entreno mal para esta pelea y se lesionó su mano izquierda.
Bonavena won fight just one sided judges
Esta boxeador casi acaba con casius cley
Combattimento.taroccato
Bonaventura.si.e.venduto
L.incontro
Bonavena won this fight and was robbed. Floyd left it too late to make up the points...
Ringo hera guapo y siempre para adelante fue el mejor peso pesado de sud america sin duda
AVERAGE
Floyd.
Hu
Zzzzzzzz...What A Boring Fight!!! 👎
Par de boxeadores mediocres, no aportaban nada de buen boxeo y por supuesto no daban emoción.
Bonavena era un paquetey no muy cuerdo.
They introduced Joe Frazier as the "1968 Olympic Champion", but that's not correct.. Frazier won the Olympics in 1964. & He won the Professional Vacant Heavyweight Title in 1968
Joe Frazier would have TKO Patterson between 6th -9th rounds, Bonavenia, Paterson could have been draw it wasn't no Unanimous decision for paterson