Smith & Wesson CSX 9mm | Serious Issues and Problems
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Just over 1800 rounds through my CSX, and I've had no problems or complaints. My only advice would be, if you buy a new gun you should definitely spend the time shooting it to get to know each gun's personality.... As for me, great job Smith & Wesson I find it much better than my shield!
I like this gun much better than the Shield Plus I replaced it with
agreed. 2k rounds threw mine over the past year. absolutely 0 issues. my trigger is fantastic.
I love mine so far but the trigger could be a tad lighter. I always shoot low with it for some reason compared to my others too.
I’ve put around 700 rds through mine including 150 today alone. ZERO problems with the trigger. Just in case y’all missed that, ZERO PROBLEMS WITH THE TRIGGER. It’s very accurate, great feel in my hand. Love that it’s hammer fired, I carry cocked and locked. No issues with the back strap either. Excellent firearm!
I rented an extended range session with this gun against my Carry Shield. I suspected something was up when the rangemaster said if I liked it, he would make a screaming deal on it for me.
I really wanted to like it, especially if I could get a deal on the gun. After putting several full mags through the gun, operationally, its fine, the accuracy was good, but that trigger presents a bit of an identity crisis. It should shoot like a hammer-fired single action (1911ish) but shoots like a striker-fired double action. I realize that is not operationally how it works, but to me it is how it feels, and therein lies the problem. In the end I just didn't like it, but that is why there are hundreds of different choices when it comes to guns.
Thanks for this. Hogue has confirmed that they'll be making a grip mold for this gun as well, so that'll fix any grip issues anyone had. The false reset also goes away after some breaking in, reportedly.
Can confirm, have put a few hundred rounds through mine and my trigger is night and day different.
Hogue makes the best weapon accessories love a few of their sig and hk knives as well
Just over 500 rounds and the trigger feels great 👍🏻 no problems with false reset.It just needs night sights!
For the price I wish I came with better sights
Same here. I’ve got 700 rounds through mine and about 500 dry fires. No issues, and the false reset is about gone. Great gun!
@@CutandCleanTV It really should have. I really wanted to buy it but I bought the p365xl because I wanted a red dot and night sights from the factory. May I’ll pick up one after the performance center gets ahold of it.
@@CutandCleanTV do you know if they make aftermarket sites for the CSX?
Thanks for the honest review.
I've shot the rental model at the range twice and haven't had any issues with it. I haven't noticed any issues with the trigger either. So far, I love it.
Having went to school for gun repair and servicing about 50 years ago, and still keeping up with the current technology this article is spot on. This particular pistol is average and actually works very well. If you want the reset to feel better and smoother you can fire a thousand rounds through it and the trigger group will wear to a smoother release. If you want instant results take it apart and stone all rough parts and use a honing grease and this will solve your " I want it now." I have worked on four pistols of this type for people that purchase3d it and were concerned because of misinformation. That being said there are many self appointed experts on the internet as well as uninformed, unknowing critics. This particular gun is a good one. The information given in this post is accurate and factual! Please keep up the good work and excellent reviews. My hat is off to you.!
Traction Grips has a set of grips for the CSX. It wraps around the front strap, covers the bare spots on the grip. Cost less than $10 and is applied in about 10 minutes.
@James I do not. I can't even find magazines for the CSX yet. I'm also waiting for someone to make night sights for it.
Missed one by 30 minutes at my LGS last Saturday.Next one that comes in is mine.Watched everybodys vids,i know what to expect,and cant wait to get my mitts on it!Great reviews and content by the way.Love my P365,P238,Ruger Max380 but this is right to my liking of what all three of those have but blended together.
I 100% agree, I just seen one and bought it, I don’t feel that false reset and it’s not shit. I’m impressed so far. Thanks for the reviews.
best youtube intro i've ever seen
The gun community's level of hive-mind is unmatched.
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Just got this gun yesterday. Hadn't watched any videos over it beforehand. I love it. The reset on my trigger works just fine for me. 100 rounds of cheap laquer coated monarch 9mm just fine.
I would like to thank you gentlemen for your series of videos covering the CSX.
They've been very informative and I have found them incredibly useful.
Thanks Jason!
I am a left handed shooter so the ambi slide release, safety, and reversible mag release are the selling points for me. I haven’t seen another micro compact made to be used with both hands out of the box. I’ll do my time with it on the range and learn where the break and reset points are.
G4 I'm in the same boat as you.
I purchased one when they 1st came out, never seen a review until long after.
The "trigger issue" is (and I agree with you) a non issue. I never noticed it until I watched reviews.
Something I have found, after shooting about 3000 rounds through it, is the false reset is nearly non existent.
I think the S&W haters just had to find something to hang thier hat on with the new csx
S&W CSX is designed for close body concealment. It is not intended for target shooting or ninnies who want to ride the trigger in an attempt to shave 1/10000ths of a second off their score. In a defensive situation it is doubtful that anyone would have the time to listen or feel for the false reset. There is not a firearm in existence that cannot be defeated by the operator's failure to fully release the trigger. Someone started the discussion which has become an obsession in these reviews. To be fair, it would be great to show a comparison of how any gun can be rendered useless by not allowing the trigger to reset.
I've been shooting my G19 for 3 years, I'm used to that trigger. Went in to my local shop and tried the trigger on this and bought it right then. Got home and shot it.
Night and day difference, in a good way.
I still love my Glock, but this is my baby now. Im having a tough time getting the 12th round in the mag.
I love my CSX. Crisp 5.5 pound trigger that feels better than the one on my Shield Plus. Lighter and much smaller too. Incredible build quality and value. My only complaints..and they are negligible..are the very light return trigger spring and the lack of factory night sights. And both of those will be fixed shortly..along with the wraparound traction grips I just ordered.
Agreed, fix these issue and I’d buy one … until then will wait for the gen 2
No issues with my csx put 500 rounds through it
Love it
How did it handle hollowpoints?
The s**** in the slide between the slide and the receiver is totally unacceptable.
Good job of addressing the "so called issues" on the CSX. Every gun has it's own little quirks to figure out and get used to. EVERY gun. It's the owners responsibility to figure them out and learn what to do about them. My neighbor and I finally got to handle a CSX last week and it's an awesome gun. He's going to buy one. He SHOULD have bought the one we looked at because now they're out of stock. But, after watching your videos and handling one, he's ready to purchase. Thanks for everything you guys do.
Yup! I didn’t watch any reviews until after I shot my video. I didn’t notice the reset being as bad as some claimed until I did watch some other reviews. With all the hype, I’ll be excited to do some testing and evaluation of a performance center model that HAS to come out. Call me anytime if you guys want to borrow mine for a day!!
Well said👍
My g23 has 0 qwerks.
I totally agree with you about the trigger, this is not a competition gun.
I just bought this gun and love the feel and how it shoots, the reset smoothed out a lot, pretty much gone, but the trigger pull could be a little lighter, I think they put too heavy of a hammer spring in it, that would really help
Your comment on the Performance Center version is spot on. That may he the ultimate version. Still, I'd like a standard model with an improved trigger and an optic. I love how this gun feels and I'm excited for its final form. What might be even crazier is if they used the same frame and made a DA/SA version...I know. Lunacy.
All the "UA-cam Pros" are playing games shooting at targets. None of targets can injure, shoot or stab them, or kill them. However, I believe shooting off of reset will not be an issue when the pressure of an actual self-defensive response is used.
Thank you for this video. I'm a new handgun owner and this is my first handgun. I bought it without looking at any reviews. I have not fired it yet and look forward to practicing with it.
You are going to love it if this is your first!!
I have a brand new one and if put 500 rounds through it and I have no issues with it whatsoever. I guess if you are a gun finesse type person or have to be just absolutely one-hundred-percent perfect it might not be the gun for them
Thank you. Love mine and functions fine. You were spot on.
I think some of the bigger reviewers have caused a lot of people to miss out on purchasing this great gun. I really enjoy shooting mine, but the more I shoot my buddies hellcat the more I’m starting to like it more. I guess you can’t have too many carry guns lol.
I put a Talon Grip wrap on my grips and am happy with it, improved my grip on it.
Didn’t even realize that the front grip wasn’t just glued to the front of the grip. Mine is totally solid, have had it since my wife convinced me to get it around Valentines day (better gift than flowers) and have taken it to the range most weekends. My wife likes it even better than I do.
I wish these scammers would leave me alone!
I am really considering getting this.
Great video brother...I have one I bought it primarily as a Concealed carry. love the balance for such a lil gun, after break in no issues with this lil gem from S&W
It's probably the softest shooting micro. I love mine!
I appreciate the display! I will wait to see when the performance center will do some tweaks!
Seems fine. Thanks guys
I polished my trigger bar and it’s super clean now.
Its the firing pin block.Smooth it,smooth the bar contacting it and clip 2 coils off the pin block spring and you will have one click reset with a 5lb consistent pull that will get even better with use.Fixed it the first day i had it.
Could you further explain the process on this in detail, what sandpaper grit did you use to smooth it? And by clip you meant cut off?
thanks sir this is more of what i thought after watching a couple other vidios and they both complained about it thank you for realy showing the whats actually happening sir
My pleasure!! I’m not the biggest or best gun channel on the UA-cams, but I like to give as much information about products as possible.
agree 100 percent with your videos....if people are passing on this cuz of what the big names said they missing out
Yes sir!!
Lol at that guy in the background
Everybody who paid for shield plus last year are hating on this gun , Because now they have to pay for CSX, I got one when every body were talking shit about it and now after I did 200 rounds I love it , there are absolutely no issue with this gun
As some one who shoots to reset this will be a issue for me but I'll just have to treat this trigger as a double action revolver trigger like on my 629 and i do agree with with front strap its not that big of a deal mine has some play but im not worried
I've had one since it was released I shoot it pretty darn good. My front strap is solid as of now and as far as the trigger goes I have no issues with it. There might be a false reset but honestly I've never noticed it when at the range. It's a close range carry gun it doesn't have to have a perfect trigger. It's definitely good enough as far as I'm concerned.
My son bought me a csx for Christmas. I couldn't wait to fire it.
Now I'm used to shooting a 1911. My first shot l took...yes it is a little weird with the trigger on resetting.
But after putting around 1000 RDS through it, it's not bad. You have to make adjustments from a 1911 to the csx. Or any other hand gun.Over all it is a nice gun.
The “false reset” goes away. It’s an excellent pistol and in my experience, what I put in the sights at any distance I hit. Well balanced. I did have an issue early on where it had a defective component in the slide assembly that was corrected under warranty and I have shot over 1000 rounds through it since S&W replaced the slide and it has been trouble free.
I think your right on all aspects. But I’ve not personally felt this trigger. I’m looking to get that 10mm not sure on 4” or 4.6”.
To be honest and fair, those were his 1st shots and he did mention that every gun requires a little getting used to. He didn’t call it a crappy trigger. He just doesn’t see any point in a trigger safety on that kind of gun. I tend to agree, but I also agree that with training you can make it work. I would also point out that he shoots a lot of guns in those conditions with gloves on and doesn’t have that problem with any of them. I’m getting a CSX tomorrow, so I’m glad I’m aware of the false reset and I’m certain I can deal with it.
My CSX "false reset" went away after about 200 rounds. My trigger breaks consistently at 4.5 pounds and that's fine because it has a thumb safety. My only concern was the three dot sights. I painted the front sight with fluorescent green paint and it helped a lot in target acquisition. Comparison with the Sig P365 created a conundrum. Took a while to decide that I was more accurate and enjoyed shooting the CSX more.
I went deep into the internals of my CSX and polished all parts that rub together to smooth it out without shooting hundreds of rounds.
After careful inspection, I determined the so called "false reset" although there, was a result of what I will call the safety bar coming off the firing pin stop plunger (similar to the one found in a Glock). The bar snaps off the plunger and that manifests itself as a reset before the actual reset which happens when the trigger bar goes forward of the sear as the trigger is released.
I blocked the firing pin stop plunger in the depressed position which is the operational position it takes when the trigger is pulled rearward. This took the plunger completely out of the operational picture, put the slide back on and tested for the false reset. It was completely gone.
The spring under the plunger is quite robust which I think leads to the reset feel as the safety bar that depressed the plunger in the first place slides off of it upon reset.
Polishing components did help, but minor altering of the plunger did the most good. The false reset is mostly gone and the firing pin safety feature still does its job by not letting the firing pin go forward unless the trigger is pulled.
Thaks for the review that I have found to be much more informative & revealing of the CSX. I agree 100% with your findings. This is a great c/c pistol for me. It is not realy a tactial pistol as a Sig 226 or other tactial pistols that are set up for quick bumps/reset and tactial response. As for a good trustworthy c/c pistol with a 12 round mag , I find it very appealing. The trigger is what it is for genralized c/c pistol. It's all metal which I like, pin fired and very accomdating to a 1911 as I have been used to most of my life. Like another gentleman stated, I have ran about 2k of rounds using different manufactors ammo with only having 2 missfire being both times with crappy reloads.
Great review
Thanks!
Bought one this morning nice size with enough power 9mm
Some folks are saying they cant get more than 9 rds in the 10 round mag. Along with the 10 rd mag, the ones who can get 10 in it are saying the mag swells to the point where it wont fit into the magwell.
Some might be saying that, but that definitely is not a problem with ours. A lot of smack being talked about this gun by people that don’t even own or have shot one. Facts!
Exactly!
I've seen the issue on another gun channel and they demonstrated exactly that point
The magazine swells when fully loaded making it nigh on impossible to insert into the gun.
The fault also was identified:
Stripped the magazine and found that during production they did not affix the top of the magazine spring to the follower.
Once they reattached abra-cadara no more issue!
There's a post about the trigger on the Smith & Wesson forums regarding the faux reset. It will more than likely break in, but if you're impatient I figured out a fix for it and put it up there. Just needs some internals polished up so they slide smooth across one another.
Great gun. Love mine!
I like mine… the aftermarket will sort it out shortly if you don’t like the stock trigger… that said mine smoothed out after a couple hundred rounds
I will wait till the bugs are worked out on the S&W CSX, if I really want a concealed carry in a larger capacity I will get the S&W Shield Plus it works with the 1.0 shield items I already own...
Is this gun pocket carry able? Good review!
Issues? Not with mine! I think it’s great after 300 rounds. No trigger reset problem ( but it is a bit harder than I would like)
But this makes it safer for self defense.
I also had to adjust front sight. I find it very reliable and comfortable.
I don’t have any problems with mine at all. Just addressing the gripes of other UA-camrs.
I always have to go in and modify triggers to get them how I like them anyway.
In this case I might see if I could ditch the trigger safety if it bothered me.
I just like the 1911 influences on this gun. I like hammers...I'm weird that way.
I hear two consistent complaints about the trigger. The “false reset” and the trigger weight. The false reset is a non issue, however i can agree with the weight issue . If you have a 1911 style single action trigger but it’s at almost 7lbs, then is it even single action anymore lol.
When Hickock tested it, he released the trigger completely and it did not reset at all. The problem was not a false reset. It was NO reset. several times. Maybe that was just the example he was using. Hope so.
These videos make me happy...
Trigger happy 🤣😂🤣
Bought one when the "fix"happened and have to say, I tried it before I bought it, and I don't have the false safety reset on the trigger.
Others have reported fully loaded 10-round mags sticking. Any issue with yours?
I don't shoot off of reset. For me personally, If I need to defend myself, I can't imagine that I will feel that reset whatsoever. While I do want a gun that's trigger resets as forcefully as it should, this isn't a range toy, so I think that it's questionable to make a massive issue out of the reset. Not trying to seem like a jerk, just trying to keep a real world perspective on this.
I’m not making a big deal of it, I’m just clarifying what other reviewers are complaining about. I don’t have any complaints with the CSX.
Nailed it..
Exactly right. Riding the reset in a self defense encounter is a recipe to get oneself killed.
Its got that metal frame gun's gun kind of feel and weight to it and a lot of safety features. It seems like a good starter pistol for someone who might be slightly more sqeemish about guns and doesn't want something that feels like a toy to them.
🔫
I ride motorcycles, precise throttle actuation is a must, it's in constant use.
My new gun, not so much, brought it for a specific reason, the guy sneaking in my daughter's bedroom!
After that, fun toy to look at, with a great story.
Sure hope it isn't my Son-in-law getting off early.
...then it's a bad Story.
🤣
I couldn't get mine to false reset I tried to mine works fine my one main complaint it's the way you have to take out the slide pin for field stripping I can't think of any good reason they did it that way
One of the best micro 9mm on the market period 👌 my only gripe is no night sights
Inevitably, they will come out with a performance center model that will be crispy. Hopefully with tritium.
If all else fails, that's nothing a toothpick and some glow in the dark paint can't fix. It's what I plan on doing with mine, until Trijicon or someone else comes up with a tritium set for it.
Love mines
I don't shoot off reset. Love mine
Im more comcerned with feed/jamming issues the other kimber and sig micros seems to have. Many bad reviews where the guns have to be returned. I am leaning s&w for capacity and reliability. Trigger reset is a non issue as well as more that 20 yard accuracy. Doubt i would try to shoot that far
I'm going to wait for second gen. I loved shooting this but really couldn't get over the trigger. They should just increase the trigger pull weight.
What's the big deal with the trigger? If you wanted this as your main edc gun wouldn't you drill and practice with it? I felt like if I had it I'd know subconsciously after two clicks the trigger was successfully reset and in a defensive situation I'd be fine as long as I practiced with it especially if you had practice with double action pistols and etc. But I really think this isn't a serious issue or a deal breaker. I think it's up to personal preference and comfort.
for being pretty much the first single action micro double stack. you would think the trigger should be the main attraction. that's why everyone is hating on it.
I really enjoy the fit in the hand and how mine shoots, but Smith and Wesson QA let a bad one slip by and I had the misfortune of buying it. Mine has a defective and very loose safety lever on the left side of the frame, which presses in and gouges the frame if you try to engage it it with your thumb the way one would if you were right handed like I am. The temp fix is to engage the safety from the right side of the frame with my index finger before I holster, then disengage the safety normally with my thumb when I draw. So far my attempts to reach Smith and Wesson by email have gone unanswered for 3 weeks. I will try calling them to see how they want to deal with fixing it. I will update here on how well they handle it.
Again, I really love the idea, how it shoots, and the form factor, but I wish I hadn't gotten unlucky with the one I bought (though googling it seems like a handful of other people have my issue too).
Thanks for sharing - how did S&W end up handling your safety fix?
I am really excited about the possibilities for this pistol. I WANT it to be great. And certainly any trigger CAN be learned. But to me (I'm not a fan of striker fired triggers), the biggest selling point of single action is an awesome trigger. The trigger plus the grip strap weirdness plus several reports of full magazine issues are enough for me to wait and hope S&W comes out with an improved version. But I certainly get your point and the fact that you still like it so much says a lot.
A second version of this comes out and hands down I’m buying
Trigger issue works itself out the more you break it in by firing. I've seen a lot of owners say it goes away with a couple hundred rounds. Lots of youtube reviewers aren't gonna get that many rounds through a new pistol for a review unless they're really about it. If you think about it, time and ammo are more of a concern for a gun reviewer so there's gonna be a lot of people without broken in models because of it.
Love this gun. I recommend Talon Grips
What bout between the 2nd and 3rd shot looks like the reset got u there definitely a flinch then u shot it off better? I am not the only one that caught this
That was me flinching. If it was the trigger, I would have definitely said something. Nothing to hide nor any reason to hide anything on this channel.
I have S&W 4053 tsw stainless slide and aluminum frame.
If you take theag out you can actually look up it and see what the false reset is. It's hitting the ledge and just not going all the way and that is what the false reset it.
I think that in their whatever wisdom S&W included it as safety to shoot deliberately. But it can bite them in the arse if they don't correct it
Possibly, however, did the gun in whatever instance operate as intended? I get what you’re saying though.
I like my CSX but the only issue I have with it is the 12rd mag is a absolute BASTARD to release the slide when it is inserted. I have to use use my thumb and fore finger on each side to release it. Its fine with the 10 rd mag though. Seems like my 12 rd mag is a bit out of spec or something.
I agree
I like this pistol.
It seems to me the trigger is catching on the firing pin block when the trigger is released.
If you remove the slide and carefully pull the trigger and let the hammer down then push the disconnected down(located on the right side of the pistol). Then the trigger will reset with out the false reset.
Seem the part of the trigger that depresses the firing pin block when firing is catching in the firing pin release button when the trigger is released.
Rounding off the back edge of the firing pin blocker MAY solve the problem.
I don’t know. After about 250 rounds I have no problem with the gun as it is.
I’m not a gun smith and this is only my opinion.
Watch Hickok45's second video on his sample. At one point he completely remove his finger from the trigger and even then the trigger doesn't reset. IMO there are two issues in play, a sub optimal design for the trigger group and variations in Manufacturing that make these pistols not worthy of consideration for Defense.
Someone needs to open up the pistol and examine the trigger and action movement to see if they can figure out what is causing the "bump" during reset.
I would not be surprised to find out that it is a burr or rough spot in the action that can easily be stoned smooth!!!
I wouldn’t call it a double reset, but that is what it is. The first reset is the trigger safety the second reset is the sear reset.
@@g4outdoors Something must be hanging up but is getting worn down smooth if owners are reporting the click is gone after putting 500+ rounds through the pistol.
I would love to see a teardown side by side comparison of a newer pistol and one that has been broken in.
Well the p365 sucked at the beginning and they fixed it so hopefully smith and Wesson fixes the csx problems
My CSX is a nice pistol, no complaints.
I'm a trigger reset snob, and those guys are straight up making sht up and need to stop riding their reset so hard.
The Fake reset is OBVIOUSLY not a reset.
The only actual problem with the CSX is the garbage 10 round mag that refuses to seat unless the slide is open.
(therefore you have to use the 10 round as a backup mag, while the 12 can be used like any other mag)
Awesome comment!! That’s what long story short video is all about!! Thanks! 👊🏻
trigger reset is an important part of shooting fundamentals for beginners, once skills are refined, you focus more on the beginning of the trigger press. Ultimately, Trigger reset is not what aims the firearm and it is not what sends the round downrange. Some folks are too obsessed on something that ultimately does not matter in a gunfight. My 2 cents worth..
I've yet to find a better EDC then my S&W 3913.. yeah I'm old school
Great vid
Have the gun it shoots well very accurate false reset went away with break in (rounds fired) but I’ll have to call bullshit on the front grip panel not acceptable I mean would you be ok with a car if every time you drive it the front bumper fell off I mean you could use duct tape and bailing wire to hold it on ….. but would you really be ok with it …. Don’t think all of them do it mine did and from the vids on here I’m not alone
Only a Glock shooter would be freaked out about the trigger. They are all dependent on the reset to overcome the ugly trigger on a Glock. I'm at 500 rounds through my CSX and I have not had any issues with my trigger.
Well over 2000 rounds through mine, not one hickup, Zero issues!
If you know your gun, there is no problem. Every firearm is unique.
Glue it on?
I have ZERO issues with mine not 1 problem my opinion and I'm entitled to it. It is a great carry firearm
They made this gun to look like a mini-1911 such as the Mustang, or P938 that uses P365's magazines, kind like best of both worlds. But unlike the other designs it doesn't do a good copy job: instead of 1911 style grip panels it uses M&P-like grip module, so the sides are completely slick when you use the small grip; and instead of tried and true front checkering, they glued a piece of rubber in there like an after thought. It's such an half-assed job that instead of homage it's more like insult to John Browning :)
Only issue I'm having is with the 10 round mag. Reloading that last round is damn near impossible for me. The 12 round is much better. Love everything else about the gun. Especially the way it feels in my hand.
I even have trouble with my 12 rounder getting number 12 in