TWO INCIDENTS AT OSHKOSH! Cessna 310 Gear Collapse & Cessna 180 Ground Loop
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Quite the unfortunate start to AirVenture 2022! I was on the front crowd line Sunday when these two incidents were caught on tape. With a direct crosswind on runway 36L gusting to 27 knots, this created for an incredibly challenging environment for all pilots. Thankfully, no pilots were injured during any of the incidents.
These two aircraft were two of four incidents that I know of on Sunday. The other two consisted of a Bird Dog ground loop, and an RV that went nose up on 27. What a wild first day. Much more to come from OSH 2022!
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That 180 had a hell of a lot of time to go around.
Was thinking the same
He was probably told to land on the orange marker. They land three planes at a time at Oshkosh , they have three different colored markers on the runway and you are directed to land on that color. They do the best they can to maintain separation , sometimes by saying “ keep it flying, keep it flying”, so there’s that possibility.
yep, no one would have faulted him for going around... but there's a lot of pressure landing there. Maybe he was resigned to landing and was fixated on it... also his right brake looks like it was on fire. Maybe he had a brake failure... maybe not. Would love to know what went wrong from his perspective.
Well I mean the approach itself wasn't bad, he ballooned a little bit but he gave it a little power and settled back down onto the runway, even the touchdown wasn't that bad. It all started to go wrong when he had slowed down on the runway. Don't think he kept that crosswind correction in.
@Bryan Austin, Winchester's 44WCF Yup…left crosswind with right aileron and neutral elevator. In his defense, it may have been gusty and variable but the yoke was in the wrong place when that left wing picked up. Too bad.
Every flight at OshKosh is being judged by hundreds/thousands of spectators and fellow pilots. The pressure gets to a few of them on landing.
That’s probably the last thing on their mind. Aviation, navigate, communicate. Worry about the onlookers isn’t on the list.
I think it can happen to anyone really, no one is perfect
When you have strong wind gusts, I really don't think pressure from onlookers is a factor.
Pressure from onlookers caused the gear to collapse? That is some pretty powerful mental telepathy!
A lot of people flying into Oshkosh and other events are not proficient. They go to a few events a year and probably should drive into them rather then fly. The wind was stiff on that day, he needed to use proper controls and failed to.
I was a newbie at Oshkosh this year Landing Tues am 11 and departing Sat 6:30 am.
Incredibly busy airspace. Amazing there weren't many more " Incidents"
A Lot of good/great pilots out there!
and a lot of not so good pilots with little experience and too much enthusiasm for aviation that have no business flying in those conditions. If you cant handle the conditions, please drive or fly with someone that can, until you are able to do so yourself.
@@Mxz23
Sorry, weather changes. That is an ignorant response I have no clue as to what the weather was when they took off as to when they landed. I bet you do not know either. I lived
In the area . I flew into Milwaukee and the commercial flight landed in Chicago. Bused to Milwaukee. Weather changes quickly in the area.
The 310 Pilot did a really nice job of handling the situation and clearing the runway
Contractor's in background going, "Hey guys, look we just go another job" :)
no, he caused the accident trying to land in 27kts crosswind, trying to salvage clearly not stabilised approach, overerstimated his abilities and endangered himself
@@peepa47 I think you're thinking about the 180 that ground looped. The 310 had a gear fail.
There's some parts for Jimmy's 310
@@peepa47 27kts? OMG, are you sure? Why would ANYONE risk a landing like that?
I was on the flight line when this happen. For whatever reason, they were landing on 36 R with at least a 12 knot crosswind. Why they weren't instructing tail draggers to land 27 is a complete mystery
Yeah that windsock was straight out. As soon as the tail dropped Cessna wanted to fly again. I wonder if reducing the flaps for that landing would have helped.
@@tim1398 my opinion is that you don't land a tail dragger with 12 knots hitting you from 7 o'clock. Flaps or no, that's a setup for failure IMO. We were at about the 55. There was a worse one than this, but I can't find a vid yet
@@rkstewart9585 " We were at about the 55" sorry, that's jargon I don't recognize. "55"
what ?
@@myotherusername9224 the airfield is numbered incrementally adjacent to the runway in sections
@@rkstewart9585 I suspected as much but don't remember seeing that on my runway diagrams.
so 55 is close to the departure end, if the numbers are reversed for the back azimuth ?
I got to attend in 1979 with my Uncle in a Cherokee 6 and was amazed at the traffic of incoming planes. Controllers sounded like auctioneers and did an incredible job talking them all down. I later watched a Vari Eze lose a wheel brake and he went into the rough taking out one of the signs directing to parking. It was a memorable day I'll never forget...
When I flew there in 2003, I arrived before Oshkosh became “Oshkosh “. I had been there the previous year as a passenger, and realized I was NOT up to the stress of landing during “the rush”, particularly since my passenger was a white-knuckled non-pilot who I realized was not going to be much help.
how many days early did you show up ?
Oshkosh has been Oshkosh for many, many years!
@@mylittlebuckaroohe means before the busy approach procedures go into effect 🤣
Sounds like you knew your safety limits. That’s a good pilot.
Having watched a million ground loop videos (and understanding that this isn’t exactly a ground LOOP, but close enough), I’m struck by how many of them involve turning the ailerons the wrong way. I think maybe I’ve figured it out. Put yourself in this guy’s shoes. You have a stiff, gusty left crosswind. You touch down more or less on the left main, with lots of right rudder keeping you lined up. As you slow down, the rudder becomes less effective. As the tail comes around to the right, you see a left turn. A hundred thousand miles’ worth of automotive muscle memory kicks in, saying, “you’re turning left! Turn right! Turn RIGHT!” If you’ve taken advanced driving classes, it’s even worse, as you’ve been taught specifically to “turn into the skid.” That, of course, is exactly backwards from what you should do in a crosswind landing.
The solution is more practice, I suppose. And less driving! Something else that helps is seaplane training. You learn a lot about ailerons there.
Piloting an airplane is a lot about using muscle memory to land. In this case, applied knowledge of the forward slip would have been useful in maintaining runway centerline and aircraft control. 😙🤤
Hard to tell from the video but I didn’t see any crosswind control aileron applied
@@BenDecko2023 lol. no shit eh?
" A hundred thousand miles’ worth of automotive muscle memory kicks in, saying, “you’re turning left! Turn right! Turn RIGHT!"
and THAT is why yokes are STUPID. I never want to fly an airplane with a yoke ever again. A stick for me 100%.
I feel for the guy in the cringeworthy Cessna 180 landing (Less flaps!). It will forever be used as an example of poor crosswind training. An ATP I sold a plane to ground looped it. I was once in a plane with my boss at the controls, a 27-year Navy pilot and he ground looped it. He flew F4U's, F4F's. No ground loops yet but I never take it for granted. It's easy to get behind in a tail dragger.
The 180 pilot stopped flying it at touchdown. Elevator wasn’t up, aileron wasn’t into the wind. I like to slip rather than crab because it forces me to fly and to feel what the wind is doing.
Absolutely correct he just quit flying it the moment it touched down. I couldn't see any control inputs?
I was watching the Ailerons / Rudder and thought this wasn't going to end well... Also in my "Opinion", he had too much Flaps for the crosswind...
No. Not enough flaps.
Full flaps would had killed most of the lift on the wings by the time the tail wheel was down.
You cannot touch down in a crab. You must slip.... Or ground loop.
@@paulsalvestrin7253 til he through in RIGHT aileron.
Glad they’re both okay!! That’s what is most important
What's most important is to land without injury and without damaging any equipment.
Just want to point out two more things which *likely* contributed to the wrong decision to not going around that Sunday:
1. Incredibly busy approach. We arrived Sunday afternoon and lined up in queue all the way from Madison (!!) with many aircrafts trying to break in line close to Fisk
2. Fear of talking to controller since they were incredibly busy (they totally forgot about us on base 36).
That Sunday afternoon arrival was THE most difficult OSH arrival do due to incredible amount of aircrafts on approach. Those many aircraft never seen before as we talked with other pilots who did OSH arrival earlier.
Great lessons learned for the rest of us. We’ve all been there…some of us just got lucky. Fly ‘em safe!
Who decides to land the plane, the pilot (in command) or the controller?
@@chrisreeves4388 Supposed to be the pilot. Often the pilot is too dumb to remember that he/she is ultimately responsible for the final decision.
@@225degrees There is no way you are a pilot making that kind of statement.
@@chrisreeves4388 Yep. Flight ground school 101: Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. In that order. ATC is communicate. Last on the list. But I wouldn't make the claim that the pilots are "dumb." Flyins like Oshkosh are crazy busy and pilots either rarely are in that situation or never been in that situation before. Considering these were the only 2 things that happened and everyone is physically safe, then the thousands of pilots did a damn good job. *and as far as the 310 goes, the right gear collapsed and twin Cessnas notorious for that. Being at Oshkosh may have had nothing to do with that.
Good thing there is a great repair shop located on the field.
Not a year goes by at OSH without an incident. Can't imagine how embarrassed the 180 pilot feels.
@@R.P.E then maybe not doing a go-around is something to be "embarrassed about?" As you said, the conditions were tricky, and it looked like the plane was getting hit with a nasty gust or something. Seems pretty clear to me (here in my armchair with the benefit of hindsight, of course) that going around would have been a safer decision here...
@@R.P.E You're obviously not a pilot either. His landing was fine, it was after landing where he didn't use proper aileron control to counter the crosswind.
@@transcendedanal7307 "His landing was fine". What!!?? Flying school pilot would do it better.
It's OK flying planes can be really hard, we don't care that he made a mistake we just care that he's OK and the plane can still fly!
Cant imagine what the costs were going to be to get the plane cleared to fly home.
No excuses for the Cessna 180, he had about three or four moments where it should have been imperative to go around. The runway disappearing behind him, floating up and down and ballooning like a yo yo were all the clues necessary.
If you look right before the 180 lands he passes over an orange dot. He was likely instructed to land there. He was probably trying to get low to the runway, and then set down once over that dot. Common practice at Oshkosh. The crosswinds were just horrible that day
Landing at Oshkosh is different, you get assigned a specific spot of the runway where to land. You may find yourself landing close the runway end.
@@davidepassoni52 question, if you're assigned a spot further down can you change your glide slope to be further down the runway?
@@450ktm520 You're going to have to. As at oshkosh I've been asked by a tower to land long in my Bonanza. They'll call when you're about 50'-200' up and ask you to land say 3rd taxiway turn off from the end or orange dot, etc. Add power to maintain altitude and cut it where appropriate. No sweat.
He was probably told to land on a dot further down the runway by ATC, so the "runway disappearing behind him" line doesn't work here. Runway 18/36 is SUPER long, so even where he touched down he probably had a few thousand feet remaining beyond that.
On a gusty approach I usually used a little more speed and only 10* or less of flaps. Next task was to “fly” the airplane all the way to tie down. Also preferred wing down technique to crab technique.
In my opinion, he definitely had to much flap in. Keep them at 10, fly a little faster and don't float allowing yourself to get pushed around by the wind. Even on perfect days, I rarely dump them all unless there is a specific reason for it.
Great job on the video, particularly the 180. I had thought that he didn't touch the wingtip or elevator, but sure looks like he did. I know he got some scratches on the outside of the right wheel pants.
Some on the inside pants as well
I know they have some kind of controlled chaos system when OSH is running.. but still, if you have a runway available with wind going straight down it, give it to the taildraggers!! Runway 27 would have saved some damage there. Let the bigger boys handle the crosswinds.
I thought that only "real men" fly taildraggers and that they are the best pilots because they fly "real" airplanes without a stinkin' nosewheel. Now you are telling me that they have to be given an easier runway than everyone else? Guess all the smoke they have been blowing is just that - smoke, like that flaming busted tire on the 180. I'll stick to my "lowly" C150 with its "land-o-matic" and land on the assigned runway with the rest of the "bigger boys".
Looked like a pretty hefty crosswind. Sorry but thankfully it wasn't worse.
They were allowing taildraggers on 27 when we flew in Sunday (the day the incidents occurred), there were other incidents that had those temporary closed as well…
The wind was out of 310 when we landed on 36 in our Stinson late Sunday afternoon. The crosswind would have been a challenge on 27 too.
This could have been avoided with a tiny bit of aileron into wind and full up elevator.
The guys fear of the ground was far worse than the wind.
That 180 looked like it was battling some heavy x winds. Kudos to him. Albeit, to Oshkosh.
Hey 180 pilot, THATS WHAT GO-AROUNDS ARE FOR!!!!!!!
He still incapable of landing in a crosswind.
Aileron......
Hey Jimmy! There is another 310 that needs saving.
Or maybe Jimmy can sell the pilot a few 310 parts.
@@LazloNQ wait, so your saying a rich guy started a gofund me ppage, with the intention of using the money for other than the plane, taking advantage of peoples naive or ignorance?
“Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect.”
C-310 gear collapse was most likely caused by either a cracked MLG Torque Tube or a broken Fork Bolt. I've seen both. A note to 310 owners: The logbook entry "Jacked aircraft, swung gear" is NOT enough. Even the newest 310 is approaching 50 years old. These planes must be maintained and rigged by someone who really knows what they are doing.
TAS aviation does exclusively twin cessna. They do a great job dealing with the chronic gear issues that plague the twin Cessna line.
A gear swing during annual inspection is not good enough for any of the mechanical gear twin Cessnas. 310, 340, 414. It may be after the aircraft has had its gear gone through thoroughly by a specialist shop. Which is probably a good idea every 400 (?) cycles.
@@sorrybook4207 UA-camr "310 Pilot" took his there for an annual last year, and I think they found a lot of issues with the nose gear. I thin that would up being a very expensive annual (but cheaper than what happened in this video)
It's sad. 310r was first twin GA I flew in....
You must also make sure that ALL the grease fittings are lubricated, not just the EASY ones to get at with a grease gun.
Wow! Cool captures. Glad nobody was killed.
certainly not Snowbird pilots, eh?
That 180 had a lot of flaps in for that much crosswind. That was one thing I remember my instructor telling me when I was working on my PPL.
How about the right wing down aileron? Think that's a problem?
The problem wasn't the flaps, it was lack of cross wind controls and the pilot apparently stopped flying the plane once he landed.
The moment he touched down he had to raise the flaps. Would have stayed on the ground and would have had better control on the ground. Anyway, I’ll never say this can’t happen to me as well…
The 180: that was a "go around approach/landing" if I ever saw one. He probably forced it in because he felt that pros were looking. Flight training states loud and clear that it's not an embarrassment to "Go around" but is rather a show of an experienced pilot making a good decision. That'll "error in judgment" will cost him $$$ AND "true embarrassment"!
Agreed! I was practically screaming GO AROUND!!
not necessarily, if he was instructed to land on the far marker, he needs to be in it.
FAA will force his retaining if they're worth a shit.
Darn, if that runway were only 5 or 6 miles longer all this could have been avoided!
I thought so too....until I saw the orange dot in the video, so maybe he was asked to land there and was trying to hit the mark....almost like target fixation. Also the wind looked a little gusty too. I saw early in the week where a lot of planes were having issues landing due to the gusty winds. I'm not saying you guys are wrong but easy to speculate and over analyze....that and the fact that I have no conventional gear experience, so I'm just not being too critical. Maybe someone with a lot of tail dragger time can chime in. Was it really a go around situation or could it have been saved with lots of runway left?
I’m really hoping that first guy called out to tower “Like a glove” lol 😂
A 310 was top of my list for years, I dont think I'll do it. Grass strip ops I dont even think the side brace kit would convince me now. Going with Twin Bonanza.
That hurts seeing beautiful planes damaged
A little over a week and you're almost up to half a million views. Nice Job Leppy
I was the last P-51 Mustang to land right before one of these airplanes had its issue. I was still on the runway. I had full right rudder in for landing, and it was my first crosswind landing in the Mustang, and first Oshkosh, ever.
That’s awesome, Greg! What an unprecedented first time landing in Oshkosh!
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that 180 was painful to watch...did not want to get on the ground...always better to go around or try elsewhere
Did not want to get on the ground because he wasn't SUPPOSED to get on the ground until the orange dot (way down the runway). So his "floating" was by design. His poor crosswind technique, especially after touching down, was his downfall...
Stunning capture! May I feature the first landing in one of my next uploads? Of course with a link to your original video. Cheers!
Sure!
The 180 pilot had no cross wind controls in at all. He basically stopped flying the plane. It appears when he should have had full left aileron in he had some right and he also had zero elevator in when he needed full up to put the weight on the tail wheel to help with directional control. Shame it is a pretty plane, the damage is probably limited to the right wing.
Agree
correct, major damage to the right wing and gear
@@harpoon_bakery162 shame. The 180 is worth enough it will be repaired and fly again.
Agreed. Damned shame, and completely preventable. And the wingtip and right side rim and tire may be just the beginning. Main spar will need a Very close inspection, at very least. And I think the the right-side horizontal stab got dragged, too.
@@conradinhawaii7856 100 percent, you are all over it. You are exactly right. Couldn't be more correct. Not a thing to dispute what you say. I hope he gets it fixed by Classic Aviation in IOWA, they are a distinguished repair service and just expert at what they do. Just as I would never drive a car I haven't been serving, I would never fly a plane that Classic Aviation hasn't worked on .
The ground loop was the least of the problems with the 180's landing!
Cool! Silly pilot succeeded in making not just a four point, but an amazing five point landing with a tail dragger.
180 pilot quickly deployed his Cessna self-righting recovery system!
Mr 180 sure did work hard on provoking that rather elegant loop....
That 180 looked like an RC plane at first !
OUCH! $$$$$$$$$. Kuddo's to the two owner's here. Hope that bruised ego heals fast! Cheers mate!
Wow, what a bummer!!! Two beautiful classic Cessna's having landing mis-haps... That Sky Wagon was up against a stiff cross-wind, completely straightening-out the wind-sock... It looked somewhat like light damage happened to the R/H wing-tip... He seemed to get-off lucky... But that 310 having a collapsed R/H mlg, that did a number on that plane... Damn !!! I'm wondering if there is a service bulletin or an AD note for the down-locks and/or actuators / linkage on the landing gears of the later/larger (Karl Malden) nosed, Cessna 310's... Personally, I much prefer the earlier short-nosed 310's... Simpler design, but with that no-nonsense engineering that was a trademark of the post war , lean budget business-oriented design influence that so many of the cars & trucks had back then... They just worked well, but without the ridiculous whistles & bells, that the later machines seem to have so many issues with.....
Yeah, our Dad was a corp. pilot flying an older '57 Cessna 310B, Like what Sky King flew. Operated out of both Newark and LaGuardia Airports. I'm certain he had to deal with many a cross-wind landing and tricky meteorological situations. However he was also a certified A&E mechanic, worked on the corp. airplane..with our help sometimes. Kept it maintained very well!! He absolutely loved flying that plane!! Rheumatoid Arthritis took its toll, and the bosses decided to sell the airplane, releasing Dad fr. his employment. He settled back on flight instruction via a good friend that managed an FBO..a seaplane base in Pt. Washington, L.I.
Nice instructional video of how NOT to execute a crosswind landing. Beautiful 180 though!
If the winds were so squirrelly why was 180 using flaps.
When I saw it I thought he should have killed the flaps the instant he touched the ground.
Yeah, should have used no flaps and flown it on. Also, the landing would have been successful if the pilot had used down elevator on touchdown to "stick" the landing. Although, I would have gone around and tried again without flaps. I used to own a C-120 and landed in worse conditions than this. I did have an excellent instructor who really drilled me on windy crosswind landing.
I came to make this comment.
Why wasn't he using aileron?
I love how they have a tractor, just for sweeping the runway way after these incidents
Ouch! That 180 is gorgeous!
2022 was a terrible year for cross wind landings at AirVenture. The wind was dead out of the northwest, which made landing on either 36 or 27 very tricky. The wind on 36 tends to come across the surface of the runway creating uplift. You can see that clearly with the C-180 was right in his flair when it hit. If he applied power for a go around at that point the wings could've stalled and the outcome might have been much worse. All things considered, I thought the pilot did a good job to keep it on the wheels and prevented a prop strike.
Strange! It seems like almost everyone in the comment section are just perfect people. A ground loop is a non-successful landing indeed, but I think one of the most dangerous things to do is to think "that's an idiot, that would never happen to me".
I don't pilot small planes, so, "that would never happen to me"... hmmmmkay?
@@silasmarner7586 In that case, your opinion has no value to begin with.
I would never say that it couldn't happen to me (although it hasn't yet in 35 years of flying) but you have to admit that there were lots of warning signs indicating that landing was going to go badly. An unstable approach, gusty crosswind, using the far half of the runway, no crosswind technique applied, etc. I wouldn't venture to say there was an idiot flying the plane but he or she certainly was not trained well and obviously in over his/her head with that type of airplane in those conditions.
Every landing you walk away from is a successful landing,
@@tempestmkiv long explanation… for pilot sucked.
Didn't see full up aileron on the upwind wing. Might have kept it down. 180's are beasts in xwinds. Somehow kept mine from swapping ends for several years. Sold it as my reaction time isn't getting any better with advancing years!
You're right. When the Left wing started up, the left aileron was DOWN. Incompetent.
The 180 should have gone around; the 310 obviously didnt have the side brace gear mod done, and should have. Two very expensive landings !
310s and a gear collapse seem to be a common thing.
Problem was the 180 didn’t have any left aileron input for that crosswind!
Exactly my point. Applied knowledge of the forward slip (using left aileron down and rudder to maintain centerline) would have kept it from ground looping. 🤗
@@jamesburns2232 maybe you wanted to say left aileron up? Crosswind was from the left side.
I could just hear my instructor yelling "GET THAT WING DOWN!!!!!"
Dang... Anyone else notice how its been way too windy these last 20 years?.
I was just outside Endeavor when the 310 happened. They told us all to go west and hold. I elected to land. Had a nice flight in the next morning. Glad nobody was hurt.
left wing down, right rudder...skip the flaps
Looks like 'ol Jimmy may end up with a 310 parts plane, there...
#saveanother310.
The 180 definitely had some cross wind, but the second he touched the runway he should've dumped the flaps and applied full left ailerons. Also a slip with the low wing facing into the cross wind, is usually beneficial.
You obviously don't have pilot time. Neither did that 180 pilot. ALL airplanes fly the same. USE THE CONTROLS.
@@hotrodray6802 Did you read his comment?
The way Flyboy described it is exactly the way I found works best for me in a light aircraft.
@@hotrodray6802 Yeah buddy, a 747 flies just like a Cessna 140. Thanks for showing us how much pilot time you have.
Oshkosh has got to be the absolute worst place to have a bad landing with all the pilots in attendance.
I was there and was only a few hundred feet from where a Beechjet crashed. Dirt thrown up from that wreck hit me. (2010) 🙂
I thought the 180 had requested a flyby! He was flying. . . And flying. . . and flying. . . And flying.
I feel for these pilots. Lots of folks watching and very easy to make some bad choices and not go around. Looks like the damage on the 180 was minimal. The 310 - what can say. It just sucks.
That 310 will, as a minimum, require a new propeller on the # 2 Engine to replace the curled one. 🤑😮💨🥲😵💫
Problem going to acrap it depending on insurance.
Both incidents were handled well by their respective pilots, that near ground loop was clearly a noninjury event, that wind sock was straight out from Port to starboard, hard to crab in with such a small plane, and the landing gear collapse was controlled very well AND he got it off the runway 😮
Nothing near about that ground loop.
4 incidents in 1 day ?! No way. What about the other 2 ?
Patience grasshopper. If you find it, please post the link here
See the yellow RV being towed by the gator in the background at 1:09? That guy had just put it up on its nose on runway 27, so that runway was closed. That's why they were landing on 36.
I'm not even a pilot and said go around. I was in a large commercial jet a few years ago and we came in too hot. The pilot came around for a second approach. He admitted on the intercom that he was too high and too fast. We landed safely with no issues!
Welcome to Oshkosh. If you scratch your plane, you get a t-shirt!
And you get splashed all over UA-cam
must be some serious tshirt
I crashed at Oshkosh?
Guy did a real nice job holding that 310 strait.
Wow so much time to go around! haha May I feature this clip in an upcoming video? I'll be sure to provide a link for viewers to return to your video. Thanks!
Y'all be safe out there.
That 180 was crabbing into the wind, I got my license a year and a half ago (at 61), my instructor showed me how to crab, I taught myself how to slip into the wind, I prefer the slip, you are already lined up on the runway and don't have to change anything right before touchdown, one main, other main, nose, no problem. I would think it would be as easy with a tail dragger.
The 180 pilot might need a refresher course.
I’m a student pilot, and I have questions…
If the landing point assigned is at the far end of the runway, shouldn’t the approach have been flown like that’s the landing point? Why approach the near end and float so long?? It seemed like it screwed them up, since they probably could no longer see their landing point in that slow flight attitude…
That landing seemed to go on forever, timewise, that right there told me something wasn't right!
The windsock is there for a reason, look at it and plan ur landing technique accordingly. Its always easier to explain why u went around than why u did not go around.
Except here you go to the rear of an hour plus queue. Lots of pressure to land, might have been just as windy or worse after go around....armchair know it alls...
Do you stand on a chair when you lecture?
i’m the marshaller at 1:17 during the 310 incident. crazy experience.
Good pilots. Both never stopped flying.
That sucks. My heart goes out to those guys.
Turning into the Oshcrash show.
The 310R is an excellent rough field/crosswind aircraft if a person is familiar with those conditions. The gear may look a bit spindly but it's plenty strong as long as there's not a mechanical issue. That this one collapsed makes me think there was an existing problem. I've got hundreds of hours in this wonderful plane in African bush, usually well over gross and short, rough fields . . . all without the slightest issue. Watching this is painful.
As for the taildragger . . . the pilot needs to be given a tricycle gear airplane.
"it's the most wonderful time of the yearrrrr"
Seeing the 310 hit the ground hurts my soul so much. As a 310 driver myself, I love these airplanes. We take ours everywhere.
Clearly I am glad that everyone is ok as well.
310's really were the pinnacle of Cessna's lineup and seeing that prop strike the ground was really heart wrenching
Not going to lie, I saw the title and for sure thought it was Jimmy's 310 lol
@@GuardedDragon I know right? Had several hit me up and check on me. Not sure who it was.
is Wentworth aircraft there to make some deals
The Cessna 180 had many opportunities to land safe the aircraft, however, the pilot had to overdone to impress the crowd showing "shortland" skill, but... It didn't came together. greetings from Brazil.
Well kids we’ve arrived - who wants ice cream 🤪
0:55... he finally remembered that he wanted to land.
Dude in the 180 literally caught the brakes on fire on the right wheel… He should absolutely have gone around for another attempt.
That isn't a brake fire, that's wheel dragging the runway - sideways.
weird, it's like the pilot had his feet on the floor, tail blowing sideways... and no rudder movement at all.
And downwind aileron. Watch carefully.
Hey Lepp Aviation, do you have an email address at which we could contact you regarding this video? We would be interested to discuss a license to use this video if this is generally possible? (i.e. via email) 🙂 Cheers, Felix
He actually applied pro aileron and caused the tip over. You can see the ailerons move the wrong way.
I always want to fly my own plane. I can’t imagine how expensive either of these incidents would be though.
I think the 180 got some rash on the right wing, and someone said the right wheel pant. Not as bad as the 310, it bent the prop, and may have caused engine damage due to that.
@@davidfrench5407 defintely engine damage on the 310, that engine will have to be pulled out (not cheap). Those gear have to be thoroughly vetted, no shortcuts taken, and someone with tons of experience with them, it's known issue. I'm not saying they took shortcuts, but some people do on those and it's deadly (or VERY costly, as is this one).
@@davidfrench5407 Yeah, prop strike will be about 50k in damage plus it looks like the right wing, tip tank and maybe even the fuselage hit the ground. Could be 70K+ in damage easily.
one financial incident would be enough to end my career
@@chadcoady9025 OMG! $70,000 Dollars in Damage from a collapsed right MLG! How many EAA members have that kind of cash on hand? 🤑
The Cessna wing lift is a thing. Gotta use less than full flaps in tricky conditions to make sure you don't run out of control authority.
Ask me how I know.
As the old saying goes: "There are two types of tail-draggers..those that HAVE ground-looped, and those that WILL ground-loop. Wouldn't own one of the damn things on a bet!
I wonder if his passenger in the back seat went back with him? 🤔
He couldnt; it smelled to bad inside the plane
Man I saw the words 310 and gear and I immediately panicked thinking it was Jimmy. I'm glad it wasn't and I hope whoever it was is okay.
That 180 had a hell of a lot of runway he was not permitted to use
-- *_BUMMER!_*
Looks to me the 180 tipped due to little to no crosswind correction in the ailerons. You can see he's keeping it down just fine but then goes right aileron and it tips.
One place you don't want to make a bad landing is at Oshkosh. I wonder why the guy in the 310 didn't cut the throttles to minimize engine damage when the props stuck the ground.
This is just a guess, but I imagine he had good indications or he failed to check the gear down indications during landing checks due to everything going on outside the cockpit. My feeling is that if he knew he had an unsafe gear he would have been vectored out of the area to work the EP and possibly execute the emergency landing at a nearby airport instead of Oshkosh. I think he was surprised by the whole event.
@@TaxfreeSVT That's a good observation. You might be right.
@@TaxfreeSVT Adding to the 310's problems, he was frantically asking 36L or 36R on the North tower frequency. North tower told him twice that he was on the wrong frequency.
Sure bad winds but it doesn’t help how unnecessarily complicated they make it flying into there.
Hi , Is it Ok to use this clip in a compilation?
Thanks!
That poor 180...she deserves better.
Yeah, a cross control wheel landing...
The 180 had flaps down and tried to land with power so totally wrong approach in those conditions pardon the pun. Pilot error all the way.
Yeah he had all the flaps in with that kind of cross wind your asking for trouble. Come in a little faster and less flaps, slam that flap handle to the floor as soon as it touches down.