@@DG-pk3fh Absolutely, but I always short load any mags anyway, even have ,ASC mags that I use for range mags. An never had a problem with those either, but I always short load those to
@@DG-pk3fhThey widened the spine on the ×39 Duramags. Everyone else was so concerned about the mag curve and the follower. AK mags are wider in the back than they are in the front......duh. It only took about 40 years for them to figure it out.
I'd love to see a side by side comparison between the Brn-180s performance in 7.62x39 compared to the Sig Spear Lt in 7.62x39... definitely not the same rifles but I say they both appeal to a certain target audience
I’ve had good luck with my x39 BRN so far. I’ve seen a few issues posted due to people using milspec AR triggers in their lowers and getting light primer strikes but I have a hiperfire in mine and using ASC mags it’s been very reliable.
I love the MCX series of rifles and I agree I am dying for a 6.8 spc version and maybe 6ARC. It’s worth the higher price point especially if you have AR fatigue
Yep! 6arc upper to go along with this whole rifle in 7.62x39 would be amazing. I’m also imagining what 6arc could do if they used the same dual-metal cartridge from the 6.8x51 contract and upped the pressures to 85k psi or whatever that would allow…. That would be some serious power and range in an AR-15 size package
its literally 90% AR lol idc about the operating system its the exact same controls and layout and compatible with AR parts. for all intents and purposes its an AR.
@@ChrisG1392 Exactly right. Now chamber it in 6ARC and issue it to most of the squad. Except two designated marksman get the new 6.8 and two get the new squad automatic weapon.
I like that Sig made quite a few changes to the bolt with this rifle to increase reliability. They didn't just slightly modify an ar-15 or ar-10 bolt and just call it a day.
They increased the extraction reliability. Hammer, firing pin, and fire control group springs to effectively fire berdan primers. The hog out bolt with weaker support between the bolt lugs could prove to be problematic as 7.62x39 ARs prone to lug failures.
I went to their store in NH and asked them this exact question and they affirmed they reinforced it and proceeded to disassemble it and show me. After visiting their store I'm more of a fan boy now.
Why don't gun owners demand an end to the gun and ammo import bans? Why are Clinton era Chinese gun and ammo import bans allowed to stand? We used to be able to get cheap, quality Chinese/Norinco ammo.
@@johndeaux3703 we can demand all we want. It is never going to happen. The glory days of 7.62x39 are gone. I have my stash. I recognize it’s a finite one.
@@timunderbakke8756 be easy on your stash till domestic steel case x39 production kicks up. I hope PSA comes through with a ammo factory also hope for steel case 6.5mm Grendel production.
@@jessesimmons4503 oh I’m definitely making sure it’ll last. At the same time, I did a good job of planning for that eventuality so as long as I’m not taking fighting carbine classes every year or competing or doing something stupid I’m good. Would be nice to see that domestic production kick off. I’m not sure how much market exists for it and if it’ll ever really take off. One can hope but if the price isn’t close to the old stuff I could see it easily dying out as folks adopt other calibers that are more cost effective
I built an AR15 chambered in 762x39. I did so much research for the build and it was really fun. My parts providers were: Duramag, Faxon, Black Rifle Arms, and Aero Precision. It turned out great. I only fire brass in it. I buy ammo in the 60 to 80 cent range which similar to my 556/223. Originally, my mindset was plink with cheap x39 steel, but turns out it is hard to cycle that stuff reliably in mid gas barrel. The Tula I found were underpowered compared to brass, so I got some short stroking and FTF. Also, my range said no steel. My 762x39 build was roughly $1200 and just as reliable as my 556/223 and 300b/o
I had a 762x39 AR15 and LUV’D IT. I will never go back in an AR platform, because the bolt face was destroyed after approximately 2k rounds. Same reason for not shooting 6.5 Grendel, the material holding the locking lugs I’d almost paper thin…. Not good.
I agree. I’ve broken bolt lugs off AR bolt heads in 7.62x39. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if this platform doesn’t do the same thing since the bolt dimensions are the same
It would be freakin sweet if they came out with a 6.5 Grendel or 6mm ARC version... So far the only AR type rifle I could get to run reliably in 7.62×39 is a PWS. I've had nothing but problems with the couple I built. But I'm liking this one also. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
I have an AR with a DOLOS quick change barrel system, 3 barrels...5.56 x 10.5", 300 Blackout x 8" and 6.5 Grendel x 12". Can change barrels very fast and to go to Grendel I change BCG and Mags. I may consider getting it sold now this is around. I ove the DOLOS for sure but, this is simply badass.
Some people are just too lazy to do the research to make the gun run dependably for a self built x39 AR. Tim just addressed several main points that were eliminated in Sigs new gun. Dependable mags, triggers tht are able to handle hard primers, and bolt faces that were built around the caliber are a few. I've built a few and with attention to detail and the right parts, you can pull it off. Now, thts not me saying my builds "are just as good." I'm saying I found what works for me, and I've shared that knowledge with others and they've gotten the same results. This new Sig is the next level up for me. Can't wait to get my hands on it!!
@@ngaoutdoors4157 I was having lots of light primer strikes, ejection issues, and feeding issues. You can modify the firing pin to clear up the light primer strikes, you can do a little dremel work on the extractor to fix the ejection, and I'm pretty sure the feeding issues is magazine related but I wasn't willing to go buy a bunch of mags in hopes of finding a few that worked to get a reliable gun. I've got the other guns to run but I still have a little feeding issues and because the PWS never has issues thats what I tend to grab. But I have a couple 6.5 Grendels, 6mm ARCs, a 6.8SPC, a 224 Valkyrie and several 223/556 AR's that I've built myself and never had any issues as far as needing to modify things to get them to run reliably but for whatever reason the 7.62×39 is finicky or at least they use to be. This was a few years back that I was messing with them and during that time they were pretty notorious for having problems. It might not be that way anymore...
@@DanielBoone337 I have Been working with this caliber for years now and have a system that has worked for me 100% with a lot of trial and error lol. Cproducts defense 20&28 round mags run 100%, 30 rounders have gave me some issues when loaded to capacity and are more curved and longer so I don’t use them. My bcg & bolt is Blackrifle arms 7.62x39 that comes with enhanced firing pin. I run cmc 3.5 drop in trigger or geissele ssa trigger to smack primers with no problems, I drill all my gas ports 2.80mm and run adjustable Gasblock which allows me to run super or subsonic suppressed reliably. I’m working on some other barrel/bcg combos with different lengths. Diamondback firearms barrels have been working 100% for me with feed ramps and 1.5” groups running 154 grain tulammo soft points. I have some green mountain barrels being cut and crowned now and some 16” faxon barrel / bcg combos I’m putting together soon so I’m hoping they work good. I will be posting these builds soon on UA-cam hopefully for other people to see as these modifications have worked for me. I do own 3 Pws x39 guns and love them! Just love the caliber period for hunting hogs and coyotes and definitely self defense.
Achieved 1/2 MOA with Sellier & Bellot 124Gr and 1 MOA with PPU 123Gr using a Trijicon 1-8x28 FFP LPVO. Extremely accurate with quality ammunition and has been very reliable, highly recommend.
Great video. Tim - Have you considered doing a video on the poor man's version of this, the Foxtrot Mike gas upper. That's about all I can afford that will allow me to get a streamlined folder. I know you need a tool for disassembly but I'm thinking I can store something in my grip for that.
@@Militaryarmschannel There was a short video on their Instagram page around 6 days ago on the 7.62x39. Take my advice and don't turn on audio unless u like bad music.
@@DG-pk3fh I have only run a few hundred rounds through mine. It has been very reliable so far. The barrels are made by CMMG and are medium/heavy profiles. The gun just feels front heavy especially after I mounted a bi pod on it.
The spear in 7.62x39 is one of the biggest rip offs out there. You might as well get an ar47 and save 2k bucks seeing as they both use flimsy little bored out bolts and crappy ar47 mags that are notorious for being unreliable. Yes even the duramags.
Very interesting. Side note- Id really dig to see a secondary review after a few thousands rounds are fired. Not just through this weapon - but others as well. While I do expect and demand all my trusted firearms to preform flawlessly out of the box - some may just need to have the crap shot out of them to get over that initial teething. Either way - keep making great content!
Don't know much about guns outside of what I learned in the military (was a paratrooper and unit armorer), but I went in to pick up a 7.62 AR for a SHTF rifle with stopping power. Browsed about 12 different options on the rack and picked up the Spear LT due to its light weight, familiar ergonomics, and folding stock (portability). Probably should have done more research upfront, but I'm glad to see after the fact that a lot of other people like this rifle, it shoots well, and I seem to have made a solid choice. I put a 2-dot EOTech with the flip-up 3x magnifier on it and can't wait to put some more rounds through it.
I’m glad that so far this is phenomenal. AK’s are around the same price for ones that are great quality. I prefer this or the Gali Ace; they’re actually accurate with 3 MOA or less.
I still use my SIG Sauer 556R GEN 2 regularly. Even for some 3 gun. It even works very well suppressed using the Brown Bear sub sonics. I have been very fortunate to have one that has been very reliable for me. I'd love to show it off some time.
Really cool seeing one of these in 7.62x39. I'll probably opt for the 5.56 version, but it's always nice to have options. Almost picked up the .300Blackout version of one of these, but passed on it. Great video Tim!
MAC, I’d love to hear your take on Foxtrot Mike’s new FM-47. It’s essentially an AR-15 with an AK mag compatible AR lower and MP5-style charging handle.
Idk why but this rifle looks so nice. That stock looks good without looking finicky or too small. Apparently this rifle has been adopted by the British SAS
I could eventually see this rifle getting some large military contacts. I think it make a lot of sense for nations who are sitting on tons and tons of X39 ammo and also want to modernize their infantry with modern optics and range finders.
PSA all day! I have my 10" KS47 grouping 3/4 at 100yds. put an adjust able gas block on it and upgraded recoil spring for less than $150 and it a softer shooter than the Sig. Then dropped a roller cam pin from POF just $40 more and it's silky smooth.... And I still didn't pay more than $1,000. I'll take 2 KS47's to that fancy Sig. But I know Mac Loves some PSA so..... He'll be good with it.
Actually what will be ideal for military use is a new "6.8 Grendel" that utilizes the identical .277 Fury AP projectile. Hope to see it soon along with the new cartridges.
I'll take a KS 47 from Palmetto State Armory by an extra Bolt put a nice handle guard on it. Upgrade all the furniture. And a nice piece of glass. It will do all the same paperwork. But I love Sig and would have one if I could
Nice informative review of the Sig Sauer Spear LT 7.62x39... Thanks! On a separate note (comment), when will we see your video on what today's US military battle rifle would be if the US Army had adopted the FN FAL instead of the historic direction of the M14 and then then the AR15 / M16 route? Cheers!
Dunno, PWS on #2 gas setting with the JP capture spring has about the smoothest recoil impulses in 762×39 that I have experienced. Suppresses nicely as well. The long stroke piston seems to have a great dwell time as well.
Funny that you bring up 5.56 for deer hunting, at this moment my 12yr old is in the woods with her Springfield AR with a sig red dot whitetail hunting with Barnes ammunition. MN has a early youth rifle season.
Here’s my top 5 favorite guns of all time; Kalashnikov AK, FN Minimi, Colt M4, HK MP5, and the Colt M16. It’s because they’re my go-to guns in FPS games and they each have their own interesting history and they’re super iconic. All 5 of them are equally ranked because it depends on the mood and it’s nice to have a favorites system to interchange.
7.62x39 bolt has to be hogged out and a known breakage item in other firearms that use a 5.56 size bolt. Lifespan on this one, especially considering SIGS history of "support"? and "quality"? DEF a cause for concern. Try to source a bolt for a Daewoo DR 300 lately?
Why? Just look up individual videos for those rifles. The Galil is literally an AK. Bren is a FN SCAR knockoff. XCR is AK gas system and highly modified AK based bolt design. The CMMG is based on the AR10 bolt carrier group. And the PTR32 is roller delayed blowback.
@@Enjoyer.762 Because I'm always interested in MACs opinion on guns? and when he says he thinks this is the best overall x39 platform on the market, I find it interesting to know all the reasons why. There's nothing wrong with comparing different mechanisms, gas systems, and platforms and how they compete with each other
@@larso78904 Not sure how he determined it is the "best" 7.62x39 rifle on the market considering how little rounds he shot with it. Let's see how the bolt lugs, extractor, and ejectors hold up after at least a 5,000 round test. Does SIG make a select fire version of the MCX in 7.62x39? If so, how has SIG testing gone with it? Or has any class 3 FFL dealers tested it to see how it holds up? Everyone knows AR15 pattern 7.62x39 bolts are weaker than 5.56x45 bolts.
I'll have to wait, my mutant has never let me down however it would be nice to have the controls and bolt hold open. If CMMG could incorporate those features and still run the OG mags they'd have the market.
with 2 other large company's having made (CMMG, PSA) AR's that are reliable and take ak mags , combined with the availability/affordability of ak mags and the historical unreliability of 7.62x39 ar mags, Sig made a huge mistake by not spending a little bit to slightly redesign the lower to accept ak mags. I think that will severely hamper the sale of this rifle in 7.62x39
Hi, Tim. Thanks for creating this video. How does the LT handle brass-cased 7.62x39? I appreciate the accuracy and the ergonomics, but I really wonder if that commands the $2400 price tag.
I didn't have any to test, but I spoke with Norma and they are sending me some brass cased 124gr stuff. I look forward to shooting it, I hope it really shines.
Great review I will definitely be getting one before Christmas mine will be in 556 yes Arsenal is priced the same even in their 556 sam5s don’t get me wrong I have two arsenal’s but the spear is now the SHTF beast !!
The way I see it is the Spear LT and the Radler LT will be for special forces, which will leave the Sig Raptor and XM7 with smart optic for the frontline soldiers. Technologically speaking the split was inevitable considering the 55.6 just can’t handle the needs of these two specialized groups in the modern day. The 6.8 Fury and the 300 Blackout are by far the most appropriate calibers for the times.
Another nice thing is that 7.62x39 burns all of its powder in a 12inch barrel. So the 11” barrel version of the Spear Lt would only lose a little performance.
I understand that ammo is not as cheep as it once was BUT I was wondering about the bravo company AR long term test, I ask this because you said you have shifted from "DI" AR's to the Sig Virtus/MCX. love your content I was just interested in this. Thank you for all these years of entertainment.
DI guns are still a great system. A bufferless system that actually works is obviously attractive for several reasons though. I know I won't be shifting away from DI guns until these MCX type guns have truly proven themselves over time
I don't know why you'd spend that much on either. Defies the whole ethos of the x39 experience. 1.5 MOA or less Standard AR mod ability Lifetime warranty Multiple suppliers for ~$500.
I gotta say I'm a bit bummed out about the bolt dimensions. Despite what Mac said about bolt design and quality of materials, even the best x39 bolt for the AR platform still breaks with less rounds through it than any 5.56 bolt. Especially the extractor, it is basically a must to have several with you cause it will break. Now idk this maybe different altogether I'll keep my ears open if it proves me wrong or not, we'll see.
@@walker123qwe5 totally, I wanted a 7.62x39 weapon for a long time. I started with an AR chambered in x39 though much more accurate than most AKs you have to deal with the breakages within the bolt. I looked at what AKs were out there and seeking to build one (i didn't know it was so involved at the time). Thought about going the kit route and sending to a builder, but almost everyone I spoke to about it said unless you want a collectors type or cloning an ak from a specific region it isn't worth the money. Then looked at pre-built ones like meridian, rd, kusa, psa etc and the word varies based on what company you're talking about either its way too expensive like RD and meridian (crazy wait time) and the psa is not up to snuff with the likes of a wasr for less. So logically I went Galil cause it offers everything I was looking for in an ak in terms of modularity and modernity while being priced about the same or less than the best AKs like Zastavas and Arsenals. Galil Ace is the answer and I love it.
from the video, not that he mentioned it, but it looks like the extractor was a different design then the 5.56, this along with the dual ejectors and gas control should theoretically make things much more reliable than typical hogged out 5.56 x39 bolts
Don't forget the Sig556R flop... oh you mentioned it, good. Don't forget Robinson Armament's XCR that takes Duramag's. Also I cannot find any Duramag's for sale. Probably stick with CMMG Mutant or MK47 to use my large supply of cheap magazines.
Good call MAC, this rifle in 6.8 might be the ideal rifle. IIRC you said 6.8 can be used well in 30 round mags so - its a better deal than the Sig fury for overall use. Seems like a no brainer.
This is a true fusion between AK and an AR if you stop to think about it. And I’m not talking o Lu about the calibre, there is so many technical elements that come together here.
My x39 BRN-180 has been great (hiperfire trigger is key for reliability). Curious how this stacks up against the PWS, XCR, or even Galil Ace which were all options I’ve been looking into for another x39 gun.
@@joeclaridy I like it so far, about 8-900 rounds through it. I have a 16inch one in 223 as well and the recoil is obviously not the same but it’s great to have an AR type platform that I can run through piles of steel case x39 ammo with.
Do you really have enough ammo stacked to justify a $4000 gun? My Galil ACE in 5.45x39 is sweet, but I have been shooting and stacking since 2004 and have 5.5 5.45x39 guns (AR 5.45X39 upper) and more ammo than I will ever shoot.
@@eloiseharbeson2483 I want a 5.45x39 rifle bad - IWI is the only one manufacturing one worth a d@mn. I just don't want to spend $2,000 for one... I'm hoping Kalashnikov USA comes out with the AK -74M soon and it's decently (under $1200) priced.
@@XxxAtlantaxxX son, that ammo is unobtainable. My supplier still has some 60gr Tula, overpriced and weak. I just scored some Barnaul run up in 2020 for 65 CPR and don't expect to see any more. Only the Russians and Ukrainians use that caliber, and neither country is exporting any of it. Hornady makes reloadable brass 5.45x39. It is pricey, it is VERY hard to find and it's unclear that brass cased ammo even works in AK74 pattern weapons. Even if it does the case life may be limited to just a few or just one reloading. If you are really jonesing for a 5.45x39 gun, I can sell you a Krebs VEPR for less than the price of a Galil ACE. Be nice and I might throw in a spam can of 7n6 ammo for it.
Anyone using the ak platform is probably considering upgrading to this I’d imagine to cut down on weight, ergonomics and customization. This is a game changer weapon in my opinion. Yes this platform has been done by other companies but this is like what POF did in revolutionizing the 308 ar10, now every company will make light weight ak 15s platforms now (16 inch), let the race begin. Also whoever creates the ak mag lower combo best will probably get a huge chunk of the market.
+1 And let's assume for a moment that it is trustworthy... why would anyone want a 7.62x39 rifle that can't take advantage of common, readily available AK magazines?
@@Cheeseybacun because there are people in this world who can actually afford 30 dollar mags, and also people who want firearms to progress beyond 1940s tech that artificially limits the rifle.
@@walker123qwe5 already met it. It's essentially a milled AK with some MLOK and a railed top cover. Milspec bren2s/ properly regulated bren2s blow it completely out of the water. The bren2 comes in at almost half the weight, the same effectiveness, better ergonomics, actual modularity, and is a more dynamically usable gun. Don't get me wrong the ACE is perfectly good. In fact, it's the best AK mag fed gun that's readily available. But modern designs bring way more to the table, and they shouldn't be using AK mags as AK mags would force them to sacrifice a ton of modularity. TL:DR version, AK mags in guns like galile ACE= perfectly good combination and a great option for those who want AK mags. AK mags in modern, modular guns like bren2, ACR, and MCX= bad combination.
I disagree. Been running several AK rifles and pistols for years and the worst con for the whole platform is weight. Everything from the full size rifles, pistols, and especially the magazines weigh too much in comparison to an AR. The magazines are also too big and bulky to carry. I prefer shooting 7.62x39 and 6.5 Grendel over 5.56 and 300 BO so if Sig offers the MCX in both 7.62x39 and 6.5 Grendel then I'm sold. I have a few 6.5 Grendel ARs and they've been nothing but reliable using the C- Products Duramag 6.5 Grendel mags. The E-Lander mags have also been 100% reliable. Most of my Grendels also have several thousand rounds through them without a a bolt breaking and zero stoppages. I don't find it hard to believe that Sig finally figured it out and the Spear lt will be reliable. Already ordered one and if it does shoot more accurately, is reliable, and light weight then I'm probably going to be selling off a lot of my AKs.
Hey Mac, since you've had this Sig Spear LT 7.62x39 for well over a year now how has the bolt holding up? I assume you've ran quite a bit of steel cased ammo through it. Likely hundreds if not over a thousand rounds. Has the thin walled bolt head held up? As far as I can find only the new CMMG Mutant Dissent 7.62x39 now has a much larger entire bolt with a thick walled bolt face. The thin walled bolt face on this Spear LT rifle has me going back and forth if I am getting it or not. I am trying to find out if this Pear LT will take lots of ammo run through it or not. I don't want to spend the money of 2 decent AK-47s and have to worry about the bolt shearing and causing damage.
MAC, have you got the 7.62X39 kit for your Robinson Armament XCR-L? Paired w/the C-PRODUCTS/Dura-Mag 7.62X39 mags, is an awesome weapon system. The XCR-L already has 5.56/300blk, 6.5G, and 6.8SPC kits available. It's priced a bit lower then the Sig but in the same cost range. Also... Its USA manufactured, USA Designed, by a small USA Company.
How does the accuracy for the Spear LT compare between 5.56 version and the 7.62 version? Size groups. Especially when using better 7.62 such as golden tiger or barnaul. a side by side video would be great. I did hear your reference to 1.3" groups with barnaul.
Unless CZ has a patent death grip on their x39 bren2 magwell, then I'm going to say no. Since their mags don't prevent you from using AR mags if you choose, then there's no reason not tuse them. They're a better design for x39, and they'd be a solid base mag for 6mm arc/6.5 Grendel. Before the AK cult jumps in, AK mags are fundamentally useless for modular/ modern firearms. Plus, if you can afford this rifle you can afford 30 dollar mags.
Yeah. That would be the main competition. PWS is cheaper too. Both are piston rifles. Both have adjustable gas blocks. Can't remember if the Spear is ambi but PWS Mod 2 is ambi. I would like to see a comparison. Probably not by MAC because he definitely has a bias towards Sig but a good comparison with accuracy and reliability test would be great.
Is the gas block located the same place as the 5.56 barrel? Will the handguard work on the 5.56 or will we have to get a different handguard for the 5.56 conversion? Thanks for the great review and the information given!
The handguard for the 16" version for both 7.62 and 5.56 are the same. However if you look at pictures for the SBR and Pistol versions the handguards for all 3 calibers are different. The gas port on the handguard are in different locations for the 7.62 and 5.56 version even though they're both 11" barrels. The 300 blackout has the shortest barrel so the handguard is obviously shorter than the other 2. I guess the adjustable gas block on the SBR/Pistol variants for 7.62 and 5.56 are in different locations for a reason.
Man I’m loving this option. Definitely something to keep an eye out for. I’m a little disappointed in the twist rate. 1:7 would’ve been better. Still if I come across one sub $2k I don’t see how I could pass on it.
@@ChrisG1392 I won’t… I have plenty of amazing rifles. X95, DD and so forth. Love 300 Blackout mostly but this has my attention. At $2k I can see myself adding it. Not worth it otherwise. I’m not sure if you are aware but we are in a firearm bubble. When it burst, obtaining anything that your heart desires at a fraction of the cost will be yours.
@@eloiseharbeson2483 I’m not saying we are headed for a depression. I’m saying that we are in a firearm bubble that is sure to burst, rendering more expensive firearms affordable.
I’d like to see this stacked against Occam Defence’s ODS-1775 AK. I bet it would measure up in all functionality except maybe some ergonomics quibbles, while still having a more durable bolt head design.
Tim, have you tried the Unimag magazines for the AR-15? I bought a few and have had great luck with them utilizing 7.62x39 while also retaining the AR mag profile.
I have a few of them around, I'll have to give them a try in the Spear. They certainly look better than the Duramag, but looks take a back seat to reliable function.
@@Militaryarmschannel I completely understand that concept. I haven't been able to find a whole lot of "reviews" on these particular magazines, but what I can find on Reddit and other forums is somewhat positive feedback. I think the company who produces these doesn't do a great job at getting their name out there so a lot of people aren't even aware of their existence. I came across them by pure luck, but I'd love to see somebody really put them to the test with various calibers.
@@MrCooper89 I've been using them on my builds for several years now and have been completely satisfied with the reliability. Unfortunately, the company was terrible at marketing them and have apparently ceased operations. Glad I bought a bunch of them when the company dropped the price to $20 each.
I’ve been waiting for this video before trying to buy a spear in x39 cause I knew you’d compare the wall thickness of the bolt face on the 7.62x39 with the 5.56 and that just stopped me from pulling the trigger. Love my MCX’s, but learned my lesson on the Legacy… time will tell if this can compete with CMMGs 7.62x39 bolt.
Looking forward to getting one in my paws as well!
Love mine!
Why doesn’t your name have a check mark by it? Weird
@@PhilJLF does UA-cam do check marks?
@@floridaman727 yup, I think anyone with over 100k subs is supposed to have one…
@@PhilJLF never noticed. I always thought blue checks were for politicians and celebrities on twitter
I have a 556r 2nd gen (upgraded hand guard) and it’s worked flawlessly. 3000+ and zero failures. My favorite.
I've had my 556xi Russian for over a decade and it has been flawless. Love it! And it uses every AK mag I've ever put in it.
Oh man. You talking about the rifle being chambered in 6.8...that got me. That would be awesome. Same for 6 arc.
Agree 100%.
Duramags/ C Products 7.62x39 are by far the best mags for 7.62x39 AR’s. I absolutely love the round and this gun!
I totally agree. Their 5.56/.223/300BO are nice too.
Duramags are what I run in my AR in 7.62x39
@williammccaslin8527 so you guys trust your life with the Duramags? Are they Shtf reliable?
@@DG-pk3fh Absolutely, but I always short load any mags anyway, even have ,ASC mags that I use for range mags. An never had a problem with those either, but I always short load those to
@@DG-pk3fhThey widened the spine on the ×39 Duramags. Everyone else was so concerned about the mag curve and the follower. AK mags are wider in the back than they are in the front......duh.
It only took about 40 years
for them to figure it out.
I'd love to see a side by side comparison between the Brn-180s performance in 7.62x39 compared to the Sig Spear Lt in 7.62x39... definitely not the same rifles but I say they both appeal to a certain target audience
I'd say that's a fair comparison they are very similar in many ways.
Yep was just thinking that too.
? PWS or BRN-180 or LT in 16” ?
I’m guessing BRN or LT bc of the buffer (lack thereof)
@@mikemichaelson7 Tbh, I haven't looked much at the PWS, so I will have to look that one up for sure
I’ve had good luck with my x39 BRN so far. I’ve seen a few issues posted due to people using milspec AR triggers in their lowers and getting light primer strikes but I have a hiperfire in mine and using ASC mags it’s been very reliable.
@@pereira.powerhouse my buddy has the brn 7.62x39, I will definitely tell him to look into that if it ever presents a problem, thanks!
I love the MCX series of rifles and I agree I am dying for a 6.8 spc version and maybe 6ARC. It’s worth the higher price point especially if you have AR fatigue
Could you imagine a hybrid 6mmARC or 6.5 Grendel?! I’d be all for that in this gun!
Yep! 6arc upper to go along with this whole rifle in 7.62x39 would be amazing. I’m also imagining what 6arc could do if they used the same dual-metal cartridge from the 6.8x51 contract and upped the pressures to 85k psi or whatever that would allow…. That would be some serious power and range in an AR-15 size package
its literally 90% AR lol idc about the operating system its the exact same controls and layout and compatible with AR parts. for all intents and purposes its an AR.
@@ChrisG1392 Exactly right. Now chamber it in 6ARC and issue it to most of the squad. Except two designated marksman get the new 6.8 and two get the new squad automatic weapon.
You know LWRC Six-Eight is a thing and a proven rifle with better QC. Why wait around for SIG to come out with a 6.8 SPC version MCX?
This is the exact video I've been waiting for since it was announced. I've been wanting an MCX in 6.8 SPC since the virtus came out.
I’m running the C Products 7.62X39 mags in my PWS with amazing results
I like that Sig made quite a few changes to the bolt with this rifle to increase reliability. They didn't just slightly modify an ar-15 or ar-10 bolt and just call it a day.
They increased the extraction reliability. Hammer, firing pin, and fire control group springs to effectively fire berdan primers. The hog out bolt with weaker support between the bolt lugs could prove to be problematic as 7.62x39 ARs prone to lug failures.
I went to their store in NH and asked them this exact question and they affirmed they reinforced it and proceeded to disassemble it and show me. After visiting their store I'm more of a fan boy now.
The best part of 7.62x39 WAS you could get it for under $0.25 per round.
Why don't gun owners demand an end to the gun and ammo import bans? Why are Clinton era Chinese gun and ammo import bans allowed to stand? We used to be able to get cheap, quality Chinese/Norinco ammo.
@@johndeaux3703 we can demand all we want. It is never going to happen. The glory days of 7.62x39 are gone. I have my stash. I recognize it’s a finite one.
@@walker123qwe5 And remember Pedophile Joey just banned any new imports of Russian ammo...>
@@timunderbakke8756 be easy on your stash till domestic steel case x39 production kicks up. I hope PSA comes through with a ammo factory also hope for steel case 6.5mm Grendel production.
@@jessesimmons4503 oh I’m definitely making sure it’ll last. At the same time, I did a good job of planning for that eventuality so as long as I’m not taking fighting carbine classes every year or competing or doing something stupid I’m good.
Would be nice to see that domestic production kick off. I’m not sure how much market exists for it and if it’ll ever really take off. One can hope but if the price isn’t close to the old stuff I could see it easily dying out as folks adopt other calibers that are more cost effective
I built an AR15 chambered in 762x39. I did so much research for the build and it was really fun.
My parts providers were: Duramag, Faxon, Black Rifle Arms, and Aero Precision. It turned out great. I only fire brass in it. I buy ammo in the 60 to 80 cent range which similar to my 556/223.
Originally, my mindset was plink with cheap x39 steel, but turns out it is hard to cycle that stuff reliably in mid gas barrel. The Tula I found were underpowered compared to brass, so I got some short stroking and FTF. Also, my range said no steel.
My 762x39 build was roughly $1200 and just as reliable as my 556/223 and 300b/o
I am very happy with the Maxim Defense series in 7.62x39. Both the pistol version and 10” barrel. It would be interesting to see a comparison.
300 HAM'R that uses standard 5.56 bolt would be a great in the Spear. Sig made a run of HAM'R SP ammo a few years ago.
The C Products mags are the best. The only bad thing with the 7.62x39 AR is that Lewis Machine & Tool quit making their enhanced bolts.
I had a 762x39 AR15 and LUV’D IT. I will never go back in an AR platform, because the bolt face was destroyed after approximately 2k rounds. Same reason for not shooting 6.5 Grendel, the material holding the locking lugs I’d almost paper thin…. Not good.
Idk if I'm convinced yet I would like to see this revisited after a higher round count.
I agree. I’ve broken bolt lugs off AR bolt heads in 7.62x39. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if this platform doesn’t do the same thing since the bolt dimensions are the same
Give it time. Reports of them breaking will surface.
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@@caylumhenderson9396 that don’t mean much...it’s sig.
This
It would be freakin sweet if they came out with a 6.5 Grendel or 6mm ARC version... So far the only AR type rifle I could get to run reliably in 7.62×39 is a PWS. I've had nothing but problems with the couple I built. But I'm liking this one also. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Pws are 100% what issues are you having with your build guns?
I have an AR with a DOLOS quick change barrel system, 3 barrels...5.56 x 10.5", 300 Blackout x 8" and 6.5 Grendel x 12". Can change barrels very fast and to go to Grendel I change BCG and Mags. I may consider getting it sold now this is around. I ove the DOLOS for sure but, this is simply badass.
Some people are just too lazy to do the research to make the gun run dependably for a self built x39 AR. Tim just addressed several main points that were eliminated in Sigs new gun. Dependable mags, triggers tht are able to handle hard primers, and bolt faces that were built around the caliber are a few. I've built a few and with attention to detail and the right parts, you can pull it off. Now, thts not me saying my builds "are just as good." I'm saying I found what works for me, and I've shared that knowledge with others and they've gotten the same results. This new Sig is the next level up for me. Can't wait to get my hands on it!!
@@ngaoutdoors4157 I was having lots of light primer strikes, ejection issues, and feeding issues. You can modify the firing pin to clear up the light primer strikes, you can do a little dremel work on the extractor to fix the ejection, and I'm pretty sure the feeding issues is magazine related but I wasn't willing to go buy a bunch of mags in hopes of finding a few that worked to get a reliable gun. I've got the other guns to run but I still have a little feeding issues and because the PWS never has issues thats what I tend to grab. But I have a couple 6.5 Grendels, 6mm ARCs, a 6.8SPC, a 224 Valkyrie and several 223/556 AR's that I've built myself and never had any issues as far as needing to modify things to get them to run reliably but for whatever reason the 7.62×39 is finicky or at least they use to be. This was a few years back that I was messing with them and during that time they were pretty notorious for having problems. It might not be that way anymore...
@@DanielBoone337 I have Been working with this caliber for years now and have a system that has worked for me 100% with a lot of trial and error lol. Cproducts defense 20&28 round mags run 100%, 30 rounders have gave me some issues when loaded to capacity and are more curved and longer so I don’t use them. My bcg & bolt is Blackrifle arms 7.62x39 that comes with enhanced firing pin. I run cmc 3.5 drop in trigger or geissele ssa trigger to smack primers with no problems, I drill all my gas ports 2.80mm and run adjustable Gasblock which allows me to run super or subsonic suppressed reliably. I’m working on some other barrel/bcg combos with different lengths. Diamondback firearms barrels have been working 100% for me with feed ramps and 1.5” groups running 154 grain tulammo soft points. I have some green mountain barrels being cut and crowned now and some 16” faxon barrel / bcg combos I’m putting together soon so I’m hoping they work good. I will be posting these builds soon on UA-cam hopefully for other people to see as these modifications have worked for me. I do own 3 Pws x39 guns and love them! Just love the caliber period for hunting hogs and coyotes and definitely self defense.
Achieved 1/2 MOA with Sellier & Bellot 124Gr and 1 MOA with PPU 123Gr using a Trijicon 1-8x28 FFP LPVO. Extremely accurate with quality ammunition and has been very reliable, highly recommend.
Great video. Tim - Have you considered doing a video on the poor man's version of this, the Foxtrot Mike gas upper. That's about all I can afford that will allow me to get a streamlined folder. I know you need a tool for disassembly but I'm thinking I can store something in my grip for that.
We did a video on the 5.56 version, it will be released shortly. I don't have the FMP-47, I can't even find a picture of it though.
@@Militaryarmschannel There was a short video on their Instagram page around 6 days ago on the 7.62x39. Take my advice and don't turn on audio unless u like bad music.
Mike, so you can just change the bolt and barrel on this gun, and change it from a 7.62x39 to a 5.56? That's freaking amazing.
Sounds like a very nice gun but for the price I'll keep my CMMG MK47, the MK47 is a beast that can't be stopped.
Great gun but are heavy. I have one as well
@@anthonyrichard461 Has the Cmmg Been Reliable what barrel do they use.
@@DG-pk3fh I have only run a few hundred rounds through mine. It has been very reliable so far. The barrels are made by CMMG and are medium/heavy profiles. The gun just feels front heavy especially after I mounted a bi pod on it.
The spear in 7.62x39 is one of the biggest rip offs out there. You might as well get an ar47 and save 2k bucks seeing as they both use flimsy little bored out bolts and crappy ar47 mags that are notorious for being unreliable. Yes even the duramags.
I would like to express my appreciation and satisfaction of the panning shot of the spent cases in front of their brand boxes
Very interesting. Side note- Id really dig to see a secondary review after a few thousands rounds are fired. Not just through this weapon - but others as well. While I do expect and demand all my trusted firearms to preform flawlessly out of the box - some may just need to have the crap shot out of them to get over that initial teething. Either way - keep making great content!
With this mag it looks like Lahti M-26 machine gun (almost).
All the best Tim!
Don't know much about guns outside of what I learned in the military (was a paratrooper and unit armorer), but I went in to pick up a 7.62 AR for a SHTF rifle with stopping power. Browsed about 12 different options on the rack and picked up the Spear LT due to its light weight, familiar ergonomics, and folding stock (portability). Probably should have done more research upfront, but I'm glad to see after the fact that a lot of other people like this rifle, it shoots well, and I seem to have made a solid choice. I put a 2-dot EOTech with the flip-up 3x magnifier on it and can't wait to put some more rounds through it.
I’m glad that so far this is phenomenal. AK’s are around the same price for ones that are great quality. I prefer this or the Gali Ace; they’re actually accurate with 3 MOA or less.
Cmmg mk47, 1-2 MOA. Tuned with an adjustable gas block, tubbs flat wire recoil spring, hydraulic buffer for fun, velocity 4lb steel trigger (single stage)
Sweet set up 👍. Sig finally getting it right
I still use my SIG Sauer 556R GEN 2 regularly. Even for some 3 gun. It even works very well suppressed using the Brown Bear sub sonics. I have been very fortunate to have one that has been very reliable for me. I'd love to show it off some time.
Fantastic in depth review. Thank you!
Really cool seeing one of these in 7.62x39. I'll probably opt for the 5.56 version, but it's always nice to have options. Almost picked up the .300Blackout version of one of these, but passed on it. Great video Tim!
What’s dope is you can change the barrel out and switch between all three in under 10 minutes
Great review Tim. Thank you for your time.
would love to see a comparison between this and a Robinson XCR in 7.62x39
The bolt design would be stronger strong in the XCR
Look at the leaves changing color, great video.
MAC, I’d love to hear your take on Foxtrot Mike’s new FM-47. It’s essentially an AR-15 with an AK mag compatible AR lower and MP5-style charging handle.
The accuracy is what's interesting to me. I have an 7.62x39 AR that actually shoot tula normally at an inch and 1/2 with Hornady.
Love the British Desert DPM with RAF Tactical Recognition Flash 👍 great channel
Thanks Matt and thanks for watching.
Idk why but this rifle looks so nice. That stock looks good without looking finicky or too small. Apparently this rifle has been adopted by the British SAS
Anything the brits adopted over those crappy bullpups is a improvement so that's not saying much
@@Phenixrising-p1p actually everyone has been raving about this rifle. This appears to be one of the best modern rifles
I could eventually see this rifle getting some large military contacts. I think it make a lot of sense for nations who are sitting on tons and tons of X39 ammo and also want to modernize their infantry with modern optics and range finders.
Jim Fuller new company Fuller Phoenix announced they're about to produce the most modernized AK ever at a higher production rate 💚
PSA all day! I have my 10" KS47 grouping 3/4 at 100yds. put an adjust able gas block on it and upgraded recoil spring for less than $150 and it a softer shooter than the Sig. Then dropped a roller cam pin from POF just $40 more and it's silky smooth.... And I still didn't pay more than $1,000. I'll take 2 KS47's to that fancy Sig. But I know Mac Loves some PSA so..... He'll be good with it.
I to built up my 10" AR-47. For about $500, I have a rock solid pistol.
Australia has recently announced the Sig Spear in 300BO is its new PDW - Spec ops.
Huge miss by SIG and killer for me is the omission of a side charging handle like its larger Spear brother
good point especially given that their competitors are using it
T handle is ambidextrous. Side charger is not
Actually what will be ideal for military use is a new "6.8 Grendel" that utilizes the identical .277 Fury AP projectile. Hope to see it soon along with the new cartridges.
I'll take a KS 47 from Palmetto State Armory by an extra Bolt put a nice handle guard on it. Upgrade all the furniture. And a nice piece of glass. It will do all the same paperwork. But I love Sig and would have one if I could
I prefer the KS-47 as well... all mine needed was an enhanced firing pin. I can't do the duramags.
Those duramags have done good for me in the pdx
Nice informative review of the Sig Sauer Spear LT 7.62x39... Thanks! On a separate note (comment), when will we see your video on what today's US military battle rifle would be if the US Army had adopted the FN FAL instead of the historic direction of the M14 and then then the AR15 / M16 route? Cheers!
Dunno, PWS on #2 gas setting with the JP capture spring has about the smoothest recoil impulses in 762×39 that I have experienced. Suppresses nicely as well.
The long stroke piston seems to have a great dwell time as well.
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If you can find an Olight Odin Turbo LEP, that' the light of lights for longer range intense beam. No problem identifying targets at 500m.
Funny that you bring up 5.56 for deer hunting, at this moment my 12yr old is in the woods with her Springfield AR with a sig red dot whitetail hunting with Barnes ammunition. MN has a early youth rifle season.
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Here’s my top 5 favorite guns of all time; Kalashnikov AK, FN Minimi, Colt M4, HK MP5, and the Colt M16. It’s because they’re my go-to guns in FPS games and they each have their own interesting history and they’re super iconic. All 5 of them are equally ranked because it depends on the mood and it’s nice to have a favorites system to interchange.
@Jess
No ACR love?
7.62x39 bolt has to be hogged out and a known breakage item in other firearms that use a 5.56 size bolt.
Lifespan on this one, especially considering SIGS history of "support"? and "quality"?
DEF a cause for concern.
Try to source a bolt for a Daewoo DR 300 lately?
2000 rounds and counting...
like others, would be interested to see more detailed comparison of this to other x39 rifles such as Galil Ace, Bren, XCR, CMMG, PTR32, etc
Why? Just look up individual videos for those rifles. The Galil is literally an AK. Bren is a FN SCAR knockoff. XCR is AK gas system and highly modified AK based bolt design. The CMMG is based on the AR10 bolt carrier group. And the PTR32 is roller delayed blowback.
@@Enjoyer.762 Because I'm always interested in MACs opinion on guns? and when he says he thinks this is the best overall x39 platform on the market, I find it interesting to know all the reasons why. There's nothing wrong with comparing different mechanisms, gas systems, and platforms and how they compete with each other
@@larso78904 Not sure how he determined it is the "best" 7.62x39 rifle on the market considering how little rounds he shot with it. Let's see how the bolt lugs, extractor, and ejectors hold up after at least a 5,000 round test. Does SIG make a select fire version of the MCX in 7.62x39? If so, how has SIG testing gone with it? Or has any class 3 FFL dealers tested it to see how it holds up? Everyone knows AR15 pattern 7.62x39 bolts are weaker than 5.56x45 bolts.
I'll have to wait, my mutant has never let me down however it would be nice to have the controls and bolt hold open. If CMMG could incorporate those features and still run the OG mags they'd have the market.
with 2 other large company's having made (CMMG, PSA) AR's that are reliable and take ak mags , combined with the availability/affordability of ak mags and the historical unreliability of 7.62x39 ar mags, Sig made a huge mistake by not spending a little bit to slightly redesign the lower to accept ak mags. I think that will severely hamper the sale of this rifle in 7.62x39
CPD has solved the magazine issue for some time.
Hi, Tim. Thanks for creating this video. How does the LT handle brass-cased 7.62x39?
I appreciate the accuracy and the ergonomics, but I really wonder if that commands the $2400 price tag.
I didn't have any to test, but I spoke with Norma and they are sending me some brass cased 124gr stuff. I look forward to shooting it, I hope it really shines.
@@Militaryarmschannel Awesome. Looking forward to the results!
Great review I will definitely be getting one before Christmas mine will be in 556 yes Arsenal is priced the same even in their 556 sam5s don’t get me wrong I have two arsenal’s but the spear is now the SHTF beast !!
Also, LOVE Tomlinsons! Just don't make it down there often due to the distance from Fremont...
The way I see it is the Spear LT and the Radler LT will be for special forces, which will leave the Sig Raptor and XM7 with smart optic for the frontline soldiers. Technologically speaking the split was inevitable considering the 55.6 just can’t handle the needs of these two specialized groups in the modern day. The 6.8 Fury and the 300 Blackout are by far the most appropriate calibers for the times.
Another nice thing is that 7.62x39 burns all of its powder in a 12inch barrel. So the 11” barrel version of the Spear Lt would only lose a little performance.
I understand that ammo is not as cheep as it once was BUT I was wondering about the bravo company AR long term test, I ask this because you said you have shifted from "DI" AR's to the Sig Virtus/MCX. love your content I was just interested in this. Thank you for all these years of entertainment.
DI guns are still a great system. A bufferless system that actually works is obviously attractive for several reasons though. I know I won't be shifting away from DI guns until these MCX type guns have truly proven themselves over time
Now I want one!… This is why the guys at my gun store thinks I hate money
I don’t see how this is any better than the Galil Ace Gen 2 in 762x39
It costs more. It HAS to be better 😂
I think the ACE is it's best competitor. The only area where the SPEAR shows more promise than the Galil ACE is in accuracy.
I don't know why you'd spend that much on either. Defies the whole ethos of the x39 experience.
1.5 MOA or less
Standard AR mod ability
Lifetime warranty
Multiple suppliers for ~$500.
gonna go with the pistol version once i get the funds. since i live in NH knowing people that work at sig helps.
I gotta say I'm a bit bummed out about the bolt dimensions. Despite what Mac said about bolt design and quality of materials, even the best x39 bolt for the AR platform still breaks with less rounds through it than any 5.56 bolt. Especially the extractor, it is basically a must to have several with you cause it will break. Now idk this maybe different altogether I'll keep my ears open if it proves me wrong or not, we'll see.
@@walker123qwe5 totally, I wanted a 7.62x39 weapon for a long time. I started with an AR chambered in x39 though much more accurate than most AKs you have to deal with the breakages within the bolt. I looked at what AKs were out there and seeking to build one (i didn't know it was so involved at the time). Thought about going the kit route and sending to a builder, but almost everyone I spoke to about it said unless you want a collectors type or cloning an ak from a specific region it isn't worth the money. Then looked at pre-built ones like meridian, rd, kusa, psa etc and the word varies based on what company you're talking about either its way too expensive like RD and meridian (crazy wait time) and the psa is not up to snuff with the likes of a wasr for less. So logically I went Galil cause it offers everything I was looking for in an ak in terms of modularity and modernity while being priced about the same or less than the best AKs like Zastavas and Arsenals. Galil Ace is the answer and I love it.
If you hog out finished parts, this is common. If you engineer the parts from the get-go it is not as big a problem.
@@walker123qwe5 My 5.45x39 Galil ACE is pretty sweet. It would be one of my first choices for a 7.62x39 gun. It takes AK magazines.
from the video, not that he mentioned it, but it looks like the extractor was a different design then the 5.56, this along with the dual ejectors and gas control should theoretically make things much more reliable than typical hogged out 5.56 x39 bolts
Don't forget the Sig556R flop... oh you mentioned it, good. Don't forget Robinson Armament's XCR that takes Duramag's. Also I cannot find any Duramag's for sale. Probably stick with CMMG Mutant or MK47 to use my large supply of cheap magazines.
Good call MAC, this rifle in 6.8 might be the ideal rifle. IIRC you said 6.8 can be used well in 30 round mags so - its a better deal than the Sig fury for overall use. Seems like a no brainer.
I 100% agree that the 6.8 SPC or the 6.5 Grendel would be the perfect calibers for the LT.
I agree I would love to see 6mm arc ! I am glade so Sig having great Success
I would like to a comparison between this rifle and the Robinson XCR in 7.62x39.
Have had a 10" AR-47 for a number of years. Rock solid. 2000 rounds. About 2-2.5 MOA at 100yards.
Cost - $500.
the Swiss SIG 553R ran well in 7.62x39 unlike the 556R and the XI they worked. But they were SWISS made not cheap American knock offs
This is a true fusion between AK and an AR if you stop to think about it. And I’m not talking o Lu about the calibre, there is so many technical elements that come together here.
Man I have not been this excited about a newish gun in a LONG time, probably since the P365 came out.
My x39 BRN-180 has been great (hiperfire trigger is key for reliability). Curious how this stacks up against the PWS, XCR, or even Galil Ace which were all options I’ve been looking into for another x39 gun.
How is it? I have the Gen 1 BRN-180 in .223Wylde and an AK-47 in 7.62×39 but not the newer version of the BRN-180.
@@joeclaridy I like it so far, about 8-900 rounds through it. I have a 16inch one in 223 as well and the recoil is obviously not the same but it’s great to have an AR type platform that I can run through piles of steel case x39 ammo with.
I have the 11 inch Cz Bren2 and it has been flawless so far. Prob at the 2k mark on rounds fired. I sbr’d mine. Just a thought.
@@johndenver1879 yeah I have a Bren2 as well, love it.
I also use Hiperfire triggers on my guns and my BRN180 in 7.62x39. No need for extra power hammer springs
Anything from SIG will be expensive as heII or overpriced. I would like to see a 5.45x39 version even if I'm too poor to buy one.
Do you really have enough ammo stacked to justify a $4000 gun? My Galil ACE in 5.45x39 is sweet, but I have been shooting and stacking since 2004 and have 5.5 5.45x39 guns (AR 5.45X39 upper) and more ammo than I will ever shoot.
@@eloiseharbeson2483 I want a 5.45x39 rifle bad - IWI is the only one manufacturing one worth a d@mn. I just don't want to spend $2,000 for one... I'm hoping Kalashnikov USA comes out with the AK -74M soon and it's decently (under $1200) priced.
@@XxxAtlantaxxX son, that ammo is unobtainable. My supplier still has some 60gr Tula, overpriced and weak. I just scored some Barnaul run up in 2020 for 65 CPR and don't expect to see any more. Only the Russians and Ukrainians use that caliber, and neither country is exporting any of it. Hornady makes reloadable brass 5.45x39. It is pricey, it is VERY hard to find and it's unclear that brass cased ammo even works in AK74 pattern weapons. Even if it does the case life may be limited to just a few or just one reloading. If you are really jonesing for a 5.45x39 gun, I can sell you a Krebs VEPR for less than the price of a Galil ACE. Be nice and I might throw in a spam can of 7n6 ammo for it.
I’m liking this rifle a lot, so far. I’d like to see hear your thoughts on it after another few thousand rounds and also after it’s shot suppressed.
Anyone using the ak platform is probably considering upgrading to this I’d imagine to cut down on weight, ergonomics and customization. This is a game changer weapon in my opinion. Yes this platform has been done by other companies but this is like what POF did in revolutionizing the 308 ar10, now every company will make light weight ak 15s platforms now (16 inch), let the race begin. Also whoever creates the ak mag lower combo best will probably get a huge chunk of the market.
Ill be interested in a Sig Spear when its available for consumer purchase in 6.8X51
To me, a Galil ACE that uses AK mags is way preferable. I just dont trust the AR-7.62x39 magazines at all
+1
And let's assume for a moment that it is trustworthy... why would anyone want a 7.62x39 rifle that can't take advantage of common, readily available AK magazines?
@@Cheeseybacun because there are people in this world who can actually afford 30 dollar mags, and also people who want firearms to progress beyond 1940s tech that artificially limits the rifle.
@@walker123qwe5 already met it. It's essentially a milled AK with some MLOK and a railed top cover. Milspec bren2s/ properly regulated bren2s blow it completely out of the water. The bren2 comes in at almost half the weight, the same effectiveness, better ergonomics, actual modularity, and is a more dynamically usable gun. Don't get me wrong the ACE is perfectly good. In fact, it's the best AK mag fed gun that's readily available. But modern designs bring way more to the table, and they shouldn't be using AK mags as AK mags would force them to sacrifice a ton of modularity.
TL:DR version, AK mags in guns like galile ACE= perfectly good combination and a great option for those who want AK mags.
AK mags in modern, modular guns like bren2, ACR, and MCX= bad combination.
Genuine question here, maybe I'm overlooking something, what do you lose in terms of modularity with AK magazines?
I disagree. Been running several AK rifles and pistols for years and the worst con for the whole platform is weight. Everything from the full size rifles, pistols, and especially the magazines weigh too much in comparison to an AR. The magazines are also too big and bulky to carry. I prefer shooting 7.62x39 and 6.5 Grendel over 5.56 and 300 BO so if Sig offers the MCX in both 7.62x39 and 6.5 Grendel then I'm sold. I have a few 6.5 Grendel ARs and they've been nothing but reliable using the C- Products Duramag 6.5 Grendel mags. The E-Lander mags have also been 100% reliable. Most of my Grendels also have several thousand rounds through them without a a bolt breaking and zero stoppages. I don't find it hard to believe that Sig finally figured it out and the Spear lt will be reliable. Already ordered one and if it does shoot more accurately, is reliable, and light weight then I'm probably going to be selling off a lot of my AKs.
@Militaryarmschannel I hope to see a 6mm ARC barrel become available
Hey Mac, since you've had this Sig Spear LT 7.62x39 for well over a year now how has the bolt holding up? I assume you've ran quite a bit of steel cased ammo through it. Likely hundreds if not over a thousand rounds. Has the thin walled bolt head held up? As far as I can find only the new CMMG Mutant Dissent 7.62x39 now has a much larger entire bolt with a thick walled bolt face.
The thin walled bolt face on this Spear LT rifle has me going back and forth if I am getting it or not. I am trying to find out if this Pear LT will take lots of ammo run through it or not. I don't want to spend the money of 2 decent AK-47s and have to worry about the bolt shearing and causing damage.
Source yourself some UNImags and you'll be good to go. I own several and so far so good specifically with 7.62x39
I have had good results with ASC 5.45X39 AR magazines. I would certainly give their 7.62x39 AR magazines a try.
MAC, have you got the 7.62X39 kit for your Robinson Armament XCR-L?
Paired w/the C-PRODUCTS/Dura-Mag 7.62X39 mags, is an awesome weapon system. The XCR-L already has 5.56/300blk, 6.5G, and 6.8SPC kits available. It's priced a bit lower then the Sig but in the same cost range. Also... Its USA manufactured, USA Designed, by a small USA Company.
Ross & Zheng Enterprises UNI-MAG has resolved any mag issue. Furthermore it looks like a regular ar mag
How does the accuracy for the Spear LT compare between 5.56 version and the 7.62 version? Size groups. Especially when using better 7.62 such as golden tiger or barnaul. a side by side video would be great. I did hear your reference to 1.3" groups with barnaul.
Looking forward to getting mine in on Monday.
I’ve always preferred Barnaul ammo
Years ago, I had the opportunity to shoot a 556R. It was a nice rifle. I like the NATO caliber more.
Unless CZ has a patent death grip on their x39 bren2 magwell, then I'm going to say no. Since their mags don't prevent you from using AR mags if you choose, then there's no reason not tuse them. They're a better design for x39, and they'd be a solid base mag for 6mm arc/6.5 Grendel.
Before the AK cult jumps in, AK mags are fundamentally useless for modular/ modern firearms. Plus, if you can afford this rifle you can afford 30 dollar mags.
I wonder how this stacks up to the PWS 7.62x39....
Yeah. That would be the main competition. PWS is cheaper too. Both are piston rifles. Both have adjustable gas blocks. Can't remember if the Spear is ambi but PWS Mod 2 is ambi. I would like to see a comparison. Probably not by MAC because he definitely has a bias towards Sig but a good comparison with accuracy and reliability test would be great.
Is the gas block located the same place as the 5.56 barrel? Will the handguard work on the 5.56 or will we have to get a different handguard for the 5.56 conversion? Thanks for the great review and the information given!
SIG MCX>All others. I hope handguards are same for both calibers so no need to have 2 different handguards.
@@platinummarketingservices8448 Agreed!
The handguard for the 16" version for both 7.62 and 5.56 are the same. However if you look at pictures for the SBR and Pistol versions the handguards for all 3 calibers are different. The gas port on the handguard are in different locations for the 7.62 and 5.56 version even though they're both 11" barrels. The 300 blackout has the shortest barrel so the handguard is obviously shorter than the other 2. I guess the adjustable gas block on the SBR/Pistol variants for 7.62 and 5.56 are in different locations for a reason.
Man I’m loving this option. Definitely something to keep an eye out for. I’m a little disappointed in the twist rate. 1:7 would’ve been better. Still if I come across one sub $2k I don’t see how I could pass on it.
theyre $2900 MSRP lol dont hold your breath
Hahaha, Sub 2k.... You won't see one there mate, lol
@@ChrisG1392 I won’t… I have plenty of amazing rifles. X95, DD and so forth. Love 300 Blackout mostly but this has my attention. At $2k I can see myself adding it. Not worth it otherwise. I’m not sure if you are aware but we are in a firearm bubble. When it burst, obtaining anything that your heart desires at a fraction of the cost will be yours.
@@TransformersHoarder and you won't be able to afford it at even the depressed price. That is how depressions work.
@@eloiseharbeson2483 I’m not saying we are headed for a depression. I’m saying that we are in a firearm bubble that is sure to burst, rendering more expensive firearms affordable.
Head to head with the Robinson Arms XCR-L please 🙏
I’d like to see this stacked against Occam Defence’s ODS-1775 AK. I bet it would measure up in all functionality except maybe some ergonomics quibbles, while still having a more durable bolt head design.
Tim, have you tried the Unimag magazines for the AR-15? I bought a few and have had great luck with them utilizing 7.62x39 while also retaining the AR mag profile.
I have a few of them around, I'll have to give them a try in the Spear. They certainly look better than the Duramag, but looks take a back seat to reliable function.
@@Militaryarmschannel I completely understand that concept. I haven't been able to find a whole lot of "reviews" on these particular magazines, but what I can find on Reddit and other forums is somewhat positive feedback. I think the company who produces these doesn't do a great job at getting their name out there so a lot of people aren't even aware of their existence. I came across them by pure luck, but I'd love to see somebody really put them to the test with various calibers.
@@MrCooper89 I've been using them on my builds for several years now and have been completely satisfied with the reliability. Unfortunately, the company was terrible at marketing them and have apparently ceased operations. Glad I bought a bunch of them when the company dropped the price to $20 each.
Something about the title having the word "sig" I knew a glowing review was on the way.
Lol
Just got mine today! Can’t wait to play with the new toy 😅
I’ve been waiting for this video before trying to buy a spear in x39 cause I knew you’d compare the wall thickness of the bolt face on the 7.62x39 with the 5.56 and that just stopped me from pulling the trigger. Love my MCX’s, but learned my lesson on the Legacy… time will tell if this can compete with CMMGs 7.62x39 bolt.
If only I had a dollar for every time Tim says "seven six two by thirty nine"...