The Pantera Reunion That Should've NEVER Happened
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Discussing the current and past state of Pantera and Vinnie's opinion on a possible reunion. It's clear this "reunion" should have never happened told from a founding member. This clip comes from an episode of the Take Me on Tour! Podcast which you can find at the link below.
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• EP 1 - Working In the ...
0:00 - Pantera at Sonic Temple
2:47 - Pantera vs Static-X Reunion
4:08 - Vinnie Says A Reunion Is Not Possible
6:02 - Hellyeah Playing Columbus, OH
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There is no Pantera without Vinnie and Dimebag.
Thank you! it's sad we have to tell people this obvious fact isn't it?
They're dead bro, what you want them to do dig them up? If they (phil and rex) wanted to reunite and bring back the band, then why shouldn't they? They were just as important and arguably Phil was the most important in Panteras success
@gavinculpepper9685 Because Vinnie explicitly said there would never be a Pantera reunion without Darrell that's why. They are violating a dead man's wishes to make money. Real fans know this the people supporting this are tourists
@kelleymcbride4633 I love how each one of you throws the "real fans" in there
@@kelleymcbride46331000% true! This is a disgrace at this point and about the money now!
With yall 100%. Been a fan since 93. Saw em live in 97. Ain’t no Pantera without the brothers. Vinnie said it perfectly.
I was lucky enough to see them on their last tour in 2001 I believe. Glad I got to see them at least once. Would've been amazing to see them in '97 but I was still discovering music at that age.
I was lucky enough to see them in a club on the Vulgar tour before they exploded , talk about a sick show. Their was probably less than 1000 people inside but it was packed , then I saw them on every tour that came near me including all the Ozzfest's. The last time was their Reinventing the Steel tour with Slayer and Static X , I think that was around 2000-2001. Another sick show and sadly the last time I saw them , what's touring now is an insult. I would never pay to see this garbage!!!
@@mikeg6666 Wow, I didn't know they did a tour with Static-X! The one time I saw them it was with Soulfly, Morbid Angel and Nothingface, which was a great lineup as well.
@@TakeMeOnTour Yeah it was them , Slayer and Static X on that last tour , at least it was when it came to my state. It was a killer show , then when I saw Slayer's farewell tour in 2019 , Phil and the illegals opened up and played all Pantera songs , Primus and Ministry were also on the bill. We had pit tickets , no better way to see Slayer go out than being in the pit , although my moshing days are over. We were just on the edge of the pit , I have a messed up neck with plates and screws so I wasn't about to take a chance .
@@TakeMeOnTour I got to see them on the Vulgar tour and also the final tour - while hoping it wasn't going to be the final tour! Each time in the same 1800 cap venue, down the front screaming along and being amazed watching them play...also got to shout "no way punk" during Walk before the solo as each time when Phil threw the mic into the crowd at that part it always landed either in my hand or near enough to grab it and pull it towards me so I could do so!
I know for a fact that Vinnie Paul never wanted this to happen.
Yeah definitely not but Phil says in interviews that he knows the brothers would've wanted this. Right......
It's on video Vinny never wanted this to happen it is without question against his wishes
This is blasphemy and an obvious cash grap garbage
@@j.d.7208100% totally disgraceful , I knew it would turn into a years long event. Pretty soon they will be putting out new music under the name , it's really sad that they literally shit on Vinnie's wishes. I don't blame Zakk I blame Phil the most. Because he knew the brothers couldn't stand him anymore and he would have never done this if Vinnie was still alive. For the people who say Phil was just as big a part of the band that's bullshit , sure he contributed but Dime wrote a lot of the material and without his riffs they wouldn't have been as successful. Plus they could have plugged in the singer from Damage Plan and used him for a reunion if the brothers wanted that back then. He had a killer voice and could've easily covered Phil's vocals , he sounded almost exactly like him and wasn't a junkie....
@@mikeg6666, I agree. It's NOT Pantera without the 2 founding members. No one can take Dimebag's place. I also agree that they will most likely write and record another album. Vinnie Paul was right when he said you can't just put Zakk Wylde on guitar and then it's Pantera. It's not Pantera. Unfortunately, it never will be.
@@traceyrychewhite1874 Nope but I bet they will try to put an album out , it wouldn't surprise me if they put out a live album soon. They'll call it the reunion tour live! Sickening!!!
Can’t have a reunion without the original members. This is a tribute band.
Just went to a Pantera show. Rex and Phil and two stud players filling in for the late Dime and Vinny.
And the whole night is a tribute to Pantera and a tribute to the brothers
FUCK OFF anyone who has any ignorant thought to it.
You don't know who's playing the drums and guitar or are you being sarcastic? Either way what you saw was NOT Pantera , it was half a band without the most important part DIME and VINNIE!!!!
@@mikeg6666 news flash everyone is aware half the band is dead
@@TheFoxcrusher I only mentioned it because because either you were being sarcastic or you're ignorant! I never said anything to the contrary...
@@mikeg6666 sorry spell check.....and fuck spell check. DIME..how does dime become some.
@@TheFoxcrusher I know it's annoying as hell when that happens!
I agree 💯.. I remembered Vinnie's interviews. I saw at least 2 where he shot the idea of a reunion down, for great reason.. They should just call what they're doing something other than Pantera.. People would still go see it even if they went by something different.. It's definitely not Pantera..
I agree. I think "A Celebration of Pantera" would've been the respectable thing to do. I think someone else here in the comments mentioned that.
@@TakeMeOnTourSpot on , either that or say it's a Pantera tribute. Do not say you're Pantera. Mark my words and watch how long this drags on and how much money they make doing it. If Zakk and Charlie have any morals they will bow out at the end of these dates and say we're done and thanks for letting us be part of it. We'll see 🤔
I'm gonna go see em. Saw them in toronto way back during rhe Far beyond driven tour. Think sepuktira opened along with biohazard? Just wanna hear it again in a similar venue.
You mean Sepultura?
Just saw them with Lamb of God and it was a kick ass show. highly recommend
@@mikeg6666 fat fingers lol
@@cryptoholica72 😅
I'm still going. I know it's not Pantera without them but it's cool to see Zack playing Dimebags part and seeing Rex jam will be awesome.
I saw Pantera in the 90s, saw Damage Plan later, then Hell Yeah... What i remember? Phil walked out to do Down and thats what i run with still to this day. Rex followed Phil. I followed Vinnie and Dime.. Zakk and Charlie are great musicians, but I don't think Dime or Vinnie are smiling back at this tribute band running around calling themselves Pantera.. Thanks for that clip of Vinnie, He spoke his peace then and people seemed to forgotten..
Yeah and that's what blows my mind, how it was all just forgotten. Vinnie said it over and over again. If he wanted it to happen, he would've made it happen years ago.
Well said and I agree! 👍
Saw Pantera back in 1999 open for Black Sabbath on ironically enough the reunion tour with the original Black Sabbath lineup. Personally I have no interest in seeing Pantera with Zakk and Charlie but if other people want to go that's cool.
Agreed. It pains me to even watch videos of it. Finding the clip for the footage in this video was about the most I've ever seen from this lineup. It's just unbelievable.
I think that ill Ward didn't play that concert series. He claims that the pay wasn't enough to sign a contract for the tour. Vinny Appice played the skins as his replacement.
@@barrywalker673 Not at the show I saw in February 99. It was Bill Ward. Just checked and I still have the ticket stub. Tue Feb 09/99 7:00 pm. Skydome in Toronto. Yeah I collect ticket stubs from the shows I go to lol.
@@SuperStrik9 I have some stubs as well but they got faded over the years. Now, we can't even get real tickets most of the time. Everything is a digital ticket! Such a bummer.
It aint Pantera without Vinnie and Dime and never could be. They should have called it something else. We all love all these guys and love hearing these songs but this violates Vinnies explicit wishes on the matter.
Phil made Pantera the monster they became, he has every right to bring back the band
And people forget in an interview Phil blamed the breakup of Pantara on Dime and said he deserved a beat down. Not long after that Dime was murdered!!!
Exactly and I also remember Rita saying she would blow Phil's head off if he showed up at the funeral and now she's singing "Walk" with them on stage.
Then you clearly didn't read interview at all. And those words were all left out of context completely.
The dude was on heroin & all sorts. No one speaks their true mind on that evil. Everyone loved Dime, you can see on that video of Phil apologising after his death he’s heart broken. He didn’t mean it the dudes head wasn’t there.
Vinnie didn’t want a reunion though so really this Shoukdnt be happening. It’s a cash grab for sure, but I’ll see them at Download the reviews & footage has been killer will be nice for a younger fan to see the songs live with half the band.
Should be labeled as “PANTERA A celebration”
@@derelictCHEESEBURGER I do agree that the drugs probably had a lot to do with everything that happened at the time. Sucks that they never got the chance to fix it.
@@TakeMeOnTour It’s really sad! You could tell once Phil was off it, he really wanted to talk to Vinnie. Vinnie didn’t want any of it which I also understand!
It’s an odd situation atm, I’m happy I’ll get to see the songs, but it’s abit sour with how Vinnie felt.
Reckon Dime would be happy seeing Zack play his tunes though 🤘
Saw Pantera a couple times, for me personally, it can never be Pantera without Dimes and Vinnie, the 2 guys that started the band and the only 2 OG members that were in the band. Vinnie was also totally against it happening. If people are happy enough to pay to go see the tribute act that they are, fair play to them, I won't. I also don't buy the "people want to hear the songs live that never got the chance" - there's plenty of bands I never got to see live, the chance to see them has gone and i'm ok with that.
Very true. I know other bands like AIC have moved forward with different member but this difference to me here, is that Vinnie said over and over and over again that this shouldn't happen and everyone knows Pantera was Vinnie and Dime. They are the masterminds behind the magic that was Pantera.
@@TakeMeOnTour I disagree with the last part. Rex was with them all along and they were just a really well known bar band before Phil joined. The world wouldn't know PANTERA without Phil, but this cash grab is tarnishing the legacy of PANTERA, in my opinion. They should have used a song name or something, like Sabbath did with Dio after the Ozzy reunion.
I've always been team Phil, but I lost a lot of respect for him because of this, not that he cares, but I've been a fan since the 90s that's been to multiple shows and meet and greets over the years and bought every record he's released, but he'll get no more of my money. I'm pretty much done with the music industry as a whole, because of their greed.
And he knows it isn't right, or he'd be doing interviews, like he's done regularly for over a decade, but I haven't seen a single one since this shit was announced a little over a year ago...
i new who pantera was pre phil they had at least 3 albums out before the transtion to phil taking on the lead singer role@@brandonjohnson191
@@brandonjohnson191 Rex isn't the original bass player though, a guy called Tommy Bradford was, Rex replaced him when he left.
If, when asked, Vinnie (or Dimes) had even hinted that a reunion or one off shows were a possibility in the future, that'd be different, but Vinnie was dead set against Pantera getting back together in any shape or form, and without knowing for def, i'd assume Dimes thought the same.
I've been a fan of Pantera since Cowboys was released, me+my friends were all over that album listening to it constantly, I saw Pantera live a few times, met and hung out with Dimes, Rex and Vinnie a couple times (Phil was always absent as soon as they went offstage) and had some fun times in their company, but this isn't Pantera, to me, it's Phil doing a cashgrab and trading on misty eyes and rose-tinted glasses and the Abbot brother's names.
@@EleziumTotal truth and I am quickly losing respect for Zakk and Charlie also. If they have any morals they will do the right thing and say after this run of tour dates we're bowing out , thanks for letting us be part of it. We'll see if that happens , I have my doubts though.🤔
whoever didnt want this to happen isnt a true pantera fan
I went to see Pantera 2 weeks ago. I paid $60 a ticket for great seats. What a fantastic show! Zakk and Charlie played all the parts verbatim. Phil sounded great!
Kudos to the sound engineer as it sounded like they were playing a cd thru the speakers. My son and I didn't even need ear plugs. It was just loud enough and very well balanced. Best metal show I've seen in years.
Go see this show. You won't be disappointed.
A lot of speculation about what Dime and Vinnie would have wanted here so I’m going to throw in my guess.I saw the first U.S. show, it was pretty great. Clearly ; it’s something the remaining members put a lot of thought into to but ultimately decided it was something they wanted to do. The people loved it and it brought happiness to a lot of fans. A lot of parents with their kids enjoying the music those guys wrote and I suspect the Abbot brothers would be happy knowing their musical work continues to rock on.
vinny paul to the end did not want anything to do with phil
@@markdejonge937 and he still doesn’t have to deal with Phil.
and its still vinny and dimebag band@@boogaethje6702
Vinnie is not here anymore.
and it was still legally his band when he died and vinny paul has gone on record numouras times all the way to his death saying he would never do a reunion tour with phill@@Altarofbrutality995
Zaak even said that this is more a tribute than a reunion. I would still go see a show though.
Zakk....
It would be cool for Zakk to do a Pantera song during a BLS show. I think this “tribute” tour is weird. I keep wondering how much money they are raking in on Vinnie and Dimes legacy?
You know that without Phil, Pantera wouldn't have a legacy right😂
And how long they're going to milk it?
@@gavinculpepper9685He's doing a good job of ruining their legacy 🙄
@@gavinculpepper9685 the brothers Abbot would certainly have legacy without Phil. Phil kinda destroyed that band, the only llegacy Phil has was sucking dick backstage while on the road.
@@mikeg6666 he's not ruining shit,
Guess what! They are selling out all thier concerts! Going next week to see them!
Selling out is exactly what they are doing
Hope it's a killer show and hope you have a good time. The shows are definitely selling well.
OK now your a sellout lol
Saw them in 94', couldn't bring myself to go see Pantera in this form. Just remember Vinnie saying they wouldn't do it without Dime.
Would folks be saying "this ain't Pantera" if it were Rex who was murdered? Would the respect for him be the same?
Rex isnt a original member. The two brothers were the only original members
He is a bass player , wasn't an original member and not the brothers who actually created the band. Huge difference!!!
In this case, it's more about the series of events that went down. If Dime passed away and Vinnie wanted to move forward then all would be fine. But Phil basically abandoning the band and ruining the relationship forever is why this is different than a band member just dying or being kicked out and replaced.
@@TakeMeOnTour90% of Pantera fans online believe revisionist history non sense about the band and their break up in 2003.
It is 100% without question, the fans obsessed with break up drama from two decades ago, that are TRULY tarnishing the Abbotts legacy. Not Phil, not Rex, not people going to the shows enjoying Dimebags most iconic songs, but the people OBSESSED with handcuffing Panteras name to drama for all eternity.
It's all you guys HOLDING ONTO DRAMA that would've all been cleared up 20 years ago if not for December 8th that are destroying the legacy of this band. Wake up!! Its so frustrating bc its SOOOOO dumb. Ya dont even realize your just giving the killer more power over the band and their legacy.
Anyone that thinks Dimebag would be against any of this completely missed out on literally everything that guy stood for.
I get where you guys are coming from. My only thing is that people who think this version of pantera is a cash grab or whatever, i understand that. but it kinda discounts the contribution that Phil and Rex made to that band. They are literally half the band, Rex was there from the beginning. I often think what if dime and vinny were still alive and toured as pantera without phil and rex, people would probably feel the same about that version of pantera too, there would be haters and lovers. either way, at least its vinnies and dimes best friends playing their part now. i dunno if vinny or dime would approve but im glad that their estates have approved it and are getting their share from it. I saw original Pantera twice in the 90's and nothing could ever compare to the original, but im glad the fans who never got that opportunity get to see those songs live now.
Rex isn't the original bassplayer though...he replaceda dude called Tommy Bradford, only original members were Dimes and Vinnie ;)
Phil is, without a doubt, one of the best vocalists and frontmen in history. I've met him before and he was nothing but kind. I just can't bring myself to support this. Interesting take on them doing it without Rex and Phil. Haven't really heard that before.
@@TakeMeOnTour Agree, Phil is an awesome frontman, one of the best i've seen perform. I did meet him once, at a signing and he was damn nice to everyone and nothing was too much hassle. Same for all of them, Dimes made sure he got everyone drunk after the show when I first saw them too!
Now, in regards to Dimes and Vinnie doing it without Rex or Phil...they did...they called it Damageplan and it was a whole new project/band, but they went out as Damageplan not Pantera and that to me speaks volumes about wether or not they'd do what Phil and Rex are now doing...
@@Elezium Holy shit, that's a great perspective on that! They never even tried to continue as Pantera which proves this point even further.
@@TakeMeOnTour Considering Pantera was their band from the beginning, to me it speaks volumes that they didn't just recruit another singer, and continue with Rex on bass as well. They could've very easily done so but instead they walked away from the only band they'd known, that they started and put everything into and put together a whole new band.
If anyone could continue as Pantera, and had the right to do so, it was those 2 brothers.
if you know anything about dime and vinny youll know tjeyre proud as hell their FRIENDS took the position and continued it for them. phil made them what they were. you cant change it.
I totally understand Vinnies point of view, I will still be going to download festival this year to see the Pantera tribute tho, it isn't the real Pantera and everyone knows it, but those songs should be blasted to thousands of people in a field, I'm sure that's what the brothers would have wanted, it's a celebration of the music, not a reunion, and it's as close as we're all going to get to the pantera we can't have
i think people took what Vinnie said the wrong way. he was saying you can’t just toss someone else in the band it would be the same
band. Vinnie loved Kiss did vinnie hate kiss because it wasn’t the OG lineup? nope. what Vinnie was saying was the band won’t be the same because without Dime it can’t be the same. IF vinnie was alive and everyone else wanted to do a tribute show like they are doing now i guarantee with zakk on guitar he would sign off on it. he may not have signed up to do it but who knows we are talking hypotheticals but to take that quote and apply it to a tribute band isn’t the same thing. he was clearly talking about people forcing pantera to get back together without dime tour and make more cd’s. even dime said when he was alive why they didn’t continue as pantera without the others in the band dime had respect for the og lineup and said pantera IS me my brother, rex and phill. had vinnie died and dime lived he would have said the same thing you can’t just toss someone else in that position an call it the same band because it’s not. had someone wanted to do a tribute show i bet he would be on board for that.
i personally went to a Pantera show honestly im not a big pantera fan i did like dime and his style but at the show phill ask who here saw us back in the day and half the audience raised their hands and he ask who here this is your first time seeing us live and the other half raised their hands. he saids that’s why we are doing this to bring this kind of music to newer generations and to show tribute to the music vinnie and dime gave this world.
you can clearly tell they are doing this for the right reasons rather someone agrees with it or not. new metal heads are born at these shows. kids are taking guitar lessons because of these shows or videos they see on UA-cam. the torch is being passed on and that is something vinnie and dime would love to see and would love to see done in the name of their band.
if you can support static X who is even releasing “new music” and not have a single issue with any of that i don’t see why you can’t support what the guys over at Pantera are doing. i agree don’t look at it as the “band is back”
but look at it as a tribute show maybe that will help..
I completely understand where you're coming from and I would be all for it if it were actually marketed and billed as a tribute to Pantera but it's not. They calling themselves Pantera and not "A Celebration of Pantera" or something like that. They know what they're doing and they know they wouldn't be getting paid the same if it were billed as a tribute.
I see what you mean about Static-X and I wasn't about it either until I saw Tony Campos explain the situation. They wanted to make the band work with Wayne for years but Wayne was on too many drugs and too far gone to cooperate with. Even on the new album they used some of Wayne's old vocals.
Either way, I try my best to let people enjoy this lineup for what it is. This is just how I feel about it.
Thanks for checking out the video and discussion.
There's no comparison between the two , Static X was nowhere near the same level as Pantera was. They were an opening band not a stadium filling headliner , I was a fan of theirs and liked the first 2 albums but lost interest after that. But your comparison is apples and oranges...
I saw Pantera for the first time with Exodus and Suicidal Tendencies in Tempe Az at a club called After the gold rush. We cruised that morning and met the band. I shared a beer with Dimebag in the morning. They played a fucking Badass show that night, and ive seen them 7 more times since. This so-called "reunion " tour is just deluding the new metal kids of today to think they're actually seeing Pantera. They're not. Not even close. Its a shame what will be done for a dollar.
I'm pretty sure the Pantera tour is just a celebration tour, it's no reunion despite them going under the Pantera name on the bills etc. Zakk Wylde calls it the Pantera celebrations on his instagram posts, and Down is returning hopefully in 2024 with new music coming out. Rex Brown has a second solo record coming for ages but never officially released but i'd guess the planning for this tour began in 2019/2020 at around the same time he began teasing it on his social media bio. So i don't think they will continue doing the touring for another year. And Zakk has started his own festival so they will all return to their main projects, as far as things have been announced so far but i can see the timing of it all as Phil started performing Pantera with the illegals starting in 2018.
But in my opinion it's great to hear these songs live, as long as they don't write music under the Pantera name and that it remains a celebration tour. It seems like a pretty split topic for many fans and in the community of metal.
All great points that no one else has mentioned. I think what happens after this year will tell a lot about their intentions.
@@TakeMeOnTour Agreed. Phil has more projects to tend to, The illegals have also been talking about new tunes and he did make some new project where he used more his modern pantera voice if that makes sense. And when they announced the tour it stretched all the way to fall 2024 with Metallica so that should be the end of the tour.
But we'll see what happens, only time will tell.
I think it's a silly take. It's half of Pantera with 2 other legends playing songs I loved in my teens. Went to see them live a couple weeks ago with my 2 sons and it was awesome! Just enjoy the show while you can
Awesome that you got to enjoy it with your kids, regardless of the debate. My dad took me to see them when I was about 13 and I wouldn't have been able to go without him.
I’d be against them making new music, but paying tribute to the band with live songs is different. It’s giving another generation of fans to hear these songs live. New material under the pantera name would be crossing a line tho
And to my understanding the estate of Vinny and Dime are behind it so therefore, there are states must be getting some of the royalties.
Yea, they're getting paid, but they're going against what Vince wanted, he was very clear about his opinion over the last 10 yrs of his life when he was asked over and over again about it.
@@brandonjohnson191 This is definitely true. I think that's unfortunately why everyone decided to get behind it. Probably making some ridiculous money off of this since most of them own part of the estate.
Rita got all of Dimes estate and a part of Vinnie’s. Never trust a woman with a decision to make a lot of money without losing proper judgement.
@@TakeMeOnTour Yea, Vince mentioned it in in at least one interview that the offers come all the time, but he wasn't about doing it for the money and wouldn't do it period, because no Dime, No PANTERA and I agree.
The whole show was about paying tribute to the brothers. It was badass. Quit hating.
It's fact that the abbot brothers were the ones responsible for creating Pantera! Now with both gone rip there is no Pantera! Sorry to Rex he was always professional and quiet through all the drama. But the bad blood from the brothers and Phil were very real.... truth is if Phil's other projects would of been worth anything he would still be doing that, same for Zack! You could do a free concert once a yr in honor of, but there is no money in that!
True. Phil has bounced around a lot in the last 10 years or so and all his bands were playing club sized venues
Bingo bingo bingo! Zakk and Charlie will never play to these kind of crowds unless it's part of a festival , Zakk won't unless a miracle happens with Ozzy and he's able to tour again , BLS is a club band and Anthrax needs to be part of a festival to draw huge crowds. They're not a stadium filling band on their own and neither is Zakk and they both know that...
I still think it's funny to call it a cash grab, what, by playing songs that you wrote.
static-x with guy dressed as wayne static....dead, is cool, but Pantera with Dime and Vinnies bros filling in, not cool. Got it!
A guy who sells "merch" for Slipknot, bringing up an old topic and not mentioning it's "A Tribute".
I believe there's a higher percentage of Original Pantera members, on stage, with this Pantera Tribute band, than the percentage of Original Slipknot members on stage, playing as Slipknot..?!🤔
WITHOUT VINNIE & DIME THERE IS NO ** REAL ** PANTERA ANYMORE ...SHOULD HAVE NEVER BROGHT PANTERA BACK WITHOUTVIN & DIME....SAD....VERY SAD. .
Yeah... Fuck "Pantera." But dude, those pics at the very end of the band going back & taking pics with themselves standing ON THE SPOT where Dime got shot... Can you imagine?
Not cool...
Those are pictures from my first year of touring with the band I was on tour with. It was crazy that the venue hadn't changed anything since the murder. The bullet holes were still in the wall too!
Consider the following: a) Rex and Phil are the sole remaining founding members like it or not, b) they really haven't done anything since Pantera that's been anywhere near as successful and c) they're playing stadiums globally and making millions. If I were Rex and Phil, at this point in their lives, I'd tour and make money. Nostalgia sells and the power of Pantera's music transcends any one person. Admittedly, I saw the original line up live twice yet have no interest in seeing this line up.
I think that's a big part of it. None of these guys are doing anything near this size on their own or with their own bands.
@@TakeMeOnTour Money talks and the stadiums are packed. Rex and Phil would've been crazy to turn down the money.
Its only half pantera. There will never be a full reunion, because half of them are gone.
To each there own.
Back in the day, I saw Pantera numerous times. So, watching a show with "stand-in" players would just be a disappointment, for me.
I've caught hate for stating I would not attend/watch any of the shows.
But, if you're younger and you want to see the tribute tour, feel free. Just know that it will not be the same as seeing the band with Daryl and Vinnie.
Charlie and Zakk can COPY them, but they cannot improvise on stage like them, because personality and style dictate how one improvises.
I’m old and from Texas. Knew about Pantera as a club band in Dallas during their “glam” years and then their transition to heavy metal after Phil joined with releasing Power Metal. Was never a huge huge fan, but many of my friends were (I couldn’t get past the whole glam rock turned metal thing to really enjoy them like my friends did). I am a fan of Phil’s other bands post Pantera (especially SJR). This band is not Pantera. This is just like Phil and the Illegals playing a set of Pantera tunes. This is a completely different band and should’ve toured as a different name (BandX featuring Phil and Rex with special guests Zakk and Charlie performing original Pantera Music). Them touring as Pantera is as absurd as Sepultura still existing - not even considering the whole thing about an original member being murdered after the band dissolved. In that respect of Dime’s murder, Pantera was laid to rest fully with that tragedy. In those circumstances, there can be original members reuniting for memorial concerts and even this current tour, but under a different name. To see some of the big names in the metal industry not calling this out for what it is, is very disappointing.
Completely agree. That's what I expected was for other people to call it out but instead, I'm always made to feel like I'm the odd man out. It's usually very hard to find people who agree with my take
The only people that have an issue with this celebration of Pantera tour are the people still hung up on *bullshit break up drama that was blown WAY out of proportion two decades ago to get clicks & sell magazines.*
Whenever I hear Pantera fans mentioning VH1s bullshit BTM episode on Pantera I immediately know they are misinformed fans believing pure fiction. That was a horrendous, extremely biased bullshit episode that conveniently omitted key facts for ratings & I've watched the revisionist history around the band flourish since that crap show in 2006.
Everyone that's actually been paying attention knows Pantera would have reunited years ago if not for December 8th. We now know DAMAGEPLAN was actually gonna break up.
Vince was not against playing Pantera songs without his brother as he did play Pantera songs numerous times without his brother. All 3 surviving members played Pantera songs in their newer bands.
The really frustrating part is the way the fans that are OBSESSED with Pantera drama frame this whole situation. The guys were waiting for Vince, who obviously had PTSD, to come around. It's not that they waited for Vince to die to do this (they could have done it sooner), its that once Vince passed there is *no longer a reason to wait around for a deceased drummer.* its literally that simple.
Clearly Vince wanted his very selfish fan base to STFU about Pantera. Even Rita Haney stated that this fan base made things worse in Vince.
"Theres no bad blood with my former Pantera bandmates" - Vinnie Paul.
the youtube video that should have never been made
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Completely agree. Watched a few of the new Pantera videos of them live. No one but no one can play like Dime. He was a very unique musician. Zack is awesome on guitar but it doesn’t sound like Dime and so it doesn’t sound like Pantera. Cause it’s not. Sucks we lost the brothers. Vinny also a unique musician. They are unduplicated and irreplaceable.
Agree. Even worse that Zakk publicly stated that he hadn't even bothered learning the guitar parts correctly. He should at least be doing his best to pay proper tribute to the legacy of Dime
They are a tribute band to Pantera not Pantera to me. Not Pantera without Dime & Vinny!!!!
well every band has had changes. not sure why people get upset with this kind of thing. this is like metallica should have retired bc cliff died? this is so foolish.
Yea, agreed. Bands replace members all the time, not as major a change as this, but it happens. I saw them last Saturday and they put on a phenomenal show.
@@caryballard7857 I was never into pantera till mouth of war, that was a killer album. then i looked into other albums and was sold on this band.
You're either incredibly dishonest making this comment or lying to yourself. This is not the same thing, cliff's passing was something the whole band agreed on - to hire someone new. There is no conflict there. Here both members who are dead didn't want Pantera back together, one to his dying breath in interviews. If you cannot see the difference here I'm actually concerned for you.
@@KytexEdits so just because someone that has passed on they should not get back together again? once someone has passed on the others are at freewill to get other people to join the band regardless of what band or who they are.
Honestly you saying it should have never happened but the funny thing is Vinny's family and dime bag woman they all were coincide and down for them to do the celebration of Pantera and that's really what it's all about I mean yeah all parties are probably making a little money off of it but who gives you shit I mean honestly it's not going to sound exactly the same because I'm not on the guitar and he's not on the drums Phil is a little bit older so he's not going to sound exactly the same as it did back then because I was a long time ago but really it's just the experience and hearing the music and the tribute to the Abbott Brothers in Pantera itself as a whole being one of the best metal bands on the fucking planet that ever existed I didn't get a chance to see them I would have got a chance I definitely would have went out and saw them just to hear those Tunes again live is the shit go to sit there and chop and hack at the fact that you're saying you should never happen whatever like I said who gives a damn and it's just a it's a celebration it's not a reunion
I mean, since the estate is behind it, it's hard to argue with that but that's what is so crazy to me. I just never would've expected that after what was said by them in previous years. They are partly responsible for making the fans feel this way, especially when Rita is saying she'll blow Phil's head off if he shows up at the funeral.
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Bro. I made a few comments here. I'm not trying to freak out on u or whatever but STOP BELIEVING VH1. VH1 behind the music Pantera is biased BULLSHIT. VH1 did not care about getting the facts straight, they care about drama & Ratings.
Vh1 BTM episode on Pantera is crap. It's not an accurate telling of the band or their break up AT ALL.
Thing is if your phil what is he supposed to do never play songs he was the voice of and people love .nobody wants to reach dime or vin ..I liked seeing the show .I saw pantara in 88 .92 ..
Hmmmmm
All I hear is crying and confusion for the first two minutes.
Popular opinion or not, you are absolutely correct. Cash grab and it's not PANTERA! It's disrespectful. Make it a tribute and change the name would be the proper way do it. Why won't Phil be bothered to get dressed? He looks like he just ended a 3 day bender in a sleazy hotel. 🙄
Haha, especially with the no shoes thing he does! 😂
@@TakeMeOnTour He's such a major disappointment on so many levels. 👎
I agree 100% This was never about dime, or vinnie. Its all about the money...what does Rita think? Oh wait. No one fu*king asked her.
Weird. I love Zakk, but he has definitely lost my respect for this.
C'mom Zakk...you not making enough money playing Sabbath's songs??
Remember when Zakk used to write good songs? Me neither. He doesnt even play his own shit any more.
That always crossed my mind too, about Charlie and Zakk. Like not even they had the thought that this is unethical and against what their "friends" would've wanted
@@TakeMeOnTour Exactly. Didn't mean to focus on just Zakk. They were all bro's. I just really felt like Dime and Zakk had a real connection. But what do I know? I just grew up with the magazines.
Its a tribute. Not a reunion. Shhhh
Maby tour under like tribute.or a empty kit and spot..look if Skynyrd did it..wtf
Pantera should have never been a band 😂
Im down to see Zakk and Phil play some Pantera songs, but man just dont call it Pantera...
Zakk Wylde just looks absolutely stupid with his costume up there playing Dime's stuff. It's insulting to our intelligence.
Except for the fact that he is absolutely destroying those solos and paying mad respect to the man that wrote em', he's not up there Zack Wydling the song, he spent almost an entire year studying Dime and he's playing the songs Dime- style and doing a fucking amazing job at it
Crap Take . The shows are awesome. I saw Pantera in 95 with Type O, and they crushed it, and I saw them last year, and they are just as awesome. It's a shame Dime and Vinnie aren't there and it will always be a shame, but Phil and Rex are just as much Pantera as the Abbott bros. And they didn't become the "Pantera" we all know until Phil came on. The reunion is awesome, and I'm so glad i got to see them again, and I would go again if i get the chance.
Phil will always be one of the best frontmen in history. I just can't get behind this after what Vinnie has blatantly said. He waited until Vinnie died to make his move and it's obvious.
Dude I'm in the minority with you guys , this should've never happened. I said it from day one when it was announced , it would've never happened if Vinnie was still alive. Now it's just a money thing that I knew it would turn into , a couple of shows would have been okay but now it's not about a tribute and should have never been called Pantera.
I was surprised to see anyone agree with this take. I've talked to so many friends and industry people about it and almost no one has a problem with it, which I thought was weird.
@@TakeMeOnTour That is strange because all my friends that were into Pantera feel the same as me and none including myself have any interest in seeing them if they come to my area. Like I said before if they did a couple memorial shows and said it's a celebration of their music I would've had no problem with it. But it's obvious it's about the money now and I'm disappointed with Rita and the estates of the brothers agreeing to this. Just shows what money does to people , I think the longer it goes on it's going to tarnish the name and reputation of the band IMO!
Pantera is not back.....NUFFSAID
The people rationalizing this garbage are pathetic. Vinny literally kept saying again and again in interviews that this is NEVER happening. Then after he passes away it happens. If anyone draws the conclusion that this is all good they're literally delusional. I can't stand people who lie to themselves and others. I'm fine with people who just want to hear the music live again, whatever I disagree but at least it's a simple, honest opinion. Not this crap where they give some confused explainer on how really, the guy who's brother got killed cause phil said some dumb shit (he didn't pull the trigger, but also doesn't matter, this is vin's wishes) all of a sudden was really fine with them reuniting. If they called it something other than pantera and went on tour I'd be fine with it.
Exactly. It happens just a few years after Vinnie passes. I wonder how long it took him to start planning after Vinnie died.
Ok.. should lynard skynard stop too.. wise up.. life's for living..
It's not a band, it's a cover band. That's all. Riding the coat tails of the dead.
Come on guys, get over it. Just let them play.
I do my best to try and let people enjoy it and really try not to bring them down but it's just surprising to me that my take is considered the unpopular opinion.
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Dude, this is seriously getting old. It is not Pantera. Is anyone saying anything about Slayer? Half of Slayer is literally Exodus. Is anyone saying anything to Slipknot? They only have a few remaining founding members too. Or Anthrax? Or Sepultura? It's like come on dude, yes , everyone is right, it's not Pantera with the Abbott brothers but, I mean come on. Everyone for the most part loves Pantera and the music that kept metal alive thru the 90's so we were able to have the metal that we have today. A long with Slayer and the cavalara brothers, Anthrax, and so many more bands. The only thing is Pantera had a tragedy happen and it was horrible. I mean damn, the Abbott family gave the ok to let it happen or we wouldn't be hearing it. But, seriously, the media is a huge part of what happened to Pantera and look, people are still doing it in 2023/2024. It's just really getting old. Everyone's opinion is that they shouldn't be doing this but, yet, in turn people are making videos and talking about it to get views. No worries tho, most people won't be like Pantera with the Abbott brothers and most people won't create music as impactful and big as they once were. Either way, I will jam out when I can and I will see these guys play live just so I can remember what it was like when I seen the Abbott brothers years ago and relive those memories. RIP (rock in peace) to Vinnie and Dime and let their music live on and be played loud🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘o and one more thing, funny how people say it's not a reunion but, yet, the name of the video is "the Pantera reunion that should've never happened " but, I thought everyone said it's not Pantera 😂😂😂😂😂
That's why I put "reunion" in quotations in the thumbnail but I should probably do the same for the title of the video. I stand by the fact that it's not a reunion. The main reason this is different is solely because the way it all played out. Phil didn't care about Pantera in 2001 but now he does? He left them high and dry and instead of them replacing him, they started another band called Damageplan. Phil and Rex could've done the same but they knew it would do nothing and they'd be playing clubs to 500 people if they're lucky. It's all about money and what will sell tickets and it's obvious. For the same obvious reason that they didn't choose to go by a different name. It doesn't hold the value they want it to. Vinnie said it until the day he died that there should be no reunion and for good reason. Then Phil makes his move as soon as Vinnie isn't in the way anymore. Come on, man.....
I went to the show in Memphis and it was one of the worst shows I've ever been to.
I agree with you guys, that there is no way to have a Pantera reunion. Although I just saw them in Tampa Florida with Lamb of God. To be honest, the show was more like a tribute for Vinn and Dime. It was done with much respect to the situation. Now if those four guys started writing music and put out another album as Pantera, well that would be crossing the line for me.
Phil did tribute tours with the Illegals, these 4 guys could have toured as CFH or something, like Sabbath did with Dio as Heaven and Hell, after the reunion with Ozzy.
This is 100% about the money, not the PANTERA legacy, but promotors wanted to pay for the name, because the name will sell more tickets than a tribute.
except for black sabbath went threw muiltable lead singers after both ozzy and dio left in the latter 70s and still used the black sabbath name@@brandonjohnson191
@@brandonjohnson191 That's right they'll sell more tickets as Pantera. In which the Abbott estate will make money from. They wouldn't make money from a tribute band named something different than Pantera. Everybody's giving them hell for calling it Pantera when it's not, but you see calling it something else would be a bigger disgrace to the Abbott brothers. This tour is a chance for the younger fans to get a taste of what Pantera was. For me, as a fan from the early days, this came as close as I could ever get to attending a memorial for Dime and Vinn. This felt like a celebration for the Brothers and that didn't seem like an accident. Besides I really don't think the four musicians on that stage have a problem making money on their own.
@@Marcus-bx9qu You're wrong and clearly just a casual "fan".
"This tour is a chance for the younger fans to get a taste of what Pantera was"
NO, it isn't, because it's missing 2 very important ingredients.
When you substitute half the recipe, the flavor is nowhere close to the same...
Not to mention the total disrespect for Vinny's opinion and wishes, he was dead set against this happening and said so, on many occasions, in interviews over the last decade of his life.
"For me, as a fan from the early days, this came as close as I could ever get to attending a memorial for Dime and Vinn."
A long time fan would know about Dimebash...
@@brandonjohnson191 it's clear you can't read and understand anything I've said about it. Maybe if you attended the show you wouldn't have such a one-track mind about it. You'd see that it's like a big dime bash tour so that fans all around the country, and world can just travel down the street to their nearest arena and catch it. Yes I have a life I can't travel across the country to attend a dime bash, doesn't mean I'm still not a fan dude.
Minute twenty six in, I will not see that. Not a reunion! Great replacements but not a reunion. More of a cash grab. RIP Vinnie and Dime!
Yeah and let's not forget that Zakk wouldn't even take the time to learn the songs properly. He even said it himself. Just went up there and winged it instead of paying tribute to Dime's creativity and guitar playing.
@@TakeMeOnTour I do remember hearing that.
I think it's abit to late it's not Pantera it's phil nothing more
Wayne static is dead so it's a cash crab
Anselmo is shameless.
The talented members are dead and it shows
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It's a shit show
Cash grab with 25 dollar tickets haha, okay. It's not a reunion, it's a tribute to the brothers. Getcha Pull and quit with the nonsense, if you don't want to go then don't. There are millions of fans with kids that want their kids to see Pantera music played live. Including me, who has been to 3 of these tribute show. Core memories were made with my kids, memories that will last a lifetime. What's not to enjoy?
Imo some Pantera is better than no Pantera. The fans have been loving it. This smacks of gatekeeping to me just a little.
Yeah, a tribute from an ex junkie that wished his guitar player would be severely beaten, and the bass player who trashed his brother. The band died in 2003 with the only members that mattered. People need to let shit go instead of jerkomg off over scab revivals.
The difference is that it's not billed as a tribute. It's billed as Pantera. They know what they're doing. They wouldn't be getting paid the same if it were billed as a tribute.
@@TakeMeOnTour it’s an interesting situation. I can see why opinions vary so much as music is such a personal thing. The way things ended with the band was unfortunate and Phil was being a real dick and has said as much himself. I’d like to think that time would have mended the relationships eventually and the net result a positive. Carrying grudges is rough.
Buy the albums, and dvd's and share -that- with your kids. How bout Pantera 1, 2, 3? Dimevision??? How bout best of Pantera far beyond the great southern cowboys greatest hits? How bout the CD's?? Vinyl?? Getcha pull...get off phil's dick.
They can do what they wanna do. Cry babies will always be cry babies you will never get rid of them. Especially if they have there own pod cast to make the crying go world wide.
Anyone can start a podcast. I started it 3 weeks ago and have 2 episodes lol
I think it's dumb as can be it's not Pantera a tribute band at best. I for one think Vin especially and Dime are rolling hard in the grave. Pantera was there's not Phil's he can after a long haul. That band was those brothers life and its sick it's just a cash cow for the vultures