That Z06 was def hurting from Heat soak but the driver was also awful. Shifting the 8 speed with paddles and expecting reasonable response just isn’t a thing. You had the right idea by telling him to manually select the starting gear and then slap it into Auto. Base C7’s would have given the M2 a better run than that Z06 did.
@@JVette01 you can tell him all you want but without being in the car with him how can you be so sure? Either way he was definitely bad or the car was just heat soaked or sick or all of the above. I’m not taking anything away from the M2 though. It’s a beast.
Not really. As a fellow BMW Owner, the advertised power numbers are way lower than they actually are making. That combined with the fact that the zo6 was heat soaked gives you what you saw.
@@JVette01you being happy about the fact your bmw kept up better than expected is blinding you to the reality of the guy in the vette being a terrible driver
That Z got destroyed. First thing the corvette is recommended for 93 octane to get the most performance power not 91. Fuel makes a difference. Second the earlier 15-16 models suffered a lot from heat soak and reduced the power to protect itself. The later models 17-19 had a revised lid and heat exchange to "help" cool. Lastly yeah 100 degrees is very hot for that small super. I think they rate the power numbers with ideal race conditions: fuel, ocean level and 75 degrees.. not 100 plus outside
All true. I have an m2 comp and that thing stock is meant for 93 but I only have 91 access so I feel the pain. You'd probably pull more power front the g87 on 93 for sure. Awesome vid!
That LT4 has to be heatsoaked. The ECU will pull timing well before limp mode. My stock z06 dynod downwards of 490whp on 91 when heat soaked stock. On exhaust/intake/flex fuel I’m putting down over 590whp after heat soak in 100* temps. Edit: if he’s on stock runflats then the car won’t dig either
They did some hard pulls in the z06 before the race, so it was already heat soaked. And I suspect there is air inside of the inner cooler system. All z06s suffer from this. They have to be bled regularly. Give me that z06 for for 3hrs to dot its I's and cross its T's and I guarantee you, it will put a school bus on that 12.2 quarter mile m2 🤣 this is comical. And he gave him bad information on how to race the z06. You cannot put it in manual mode and then put it into drive.Like the mustangs. It will not go as fast and sometimes won't even shift. You have to leave it in drive and tap the accelerator pedal twice, and it will go to the lowest gear and performance shift mode, and when you step on it, it will shift fast.
As you indicated, C7 Z06 (LT4) is more susceptible to heat soak than the S58. It's a small blower with small intercoolers running 9 psi, but yes 1st gear is pretty worthless. Makes about 550 rwhp on a dyno. Aftermarket blower wakes them up.
The tires make a big difference, too. Off the top of my head I don't know if the M2 has wider tires than the Corvette, but that would explain a lot. Also, BMW is known for understating their horsepower numbers, especially in their smaller cars, in part to maintain the pecking order and leave the more impressive numbers to the M4/M5/M8
These M2s are insane. Raced my buddy's G87 a few months ago in my stock hellcat and was surprised to see him right in my side view mirror, I was slightly pulling away but not at all what I was thinking lol crazy cars... I'm local so too so I'll keep an eye out for an orange M2😉
@@JVette01I mean if that’s the case then that’s a lot less impressive for the m2. Those are some drastic condition to be able to take the W. I do love these m2s though.
Come on we all know something isn't right here c7z 1/4 mile is 11 secs at 130mph and m2 is 12.2 at 118 the numbers dont lie. the z06 is obviously not running right
@JVette01 first results of Google bro. All you gotta do is search. It's 2024. Stock c8z can do 130 in the 1/4 and a stock c7z is faster than a c8z. Just look it up. It's almost 2025 bro
You need to actually read into your search results. The 12.2 @ 118 is for a manual M2. The auto according to car and driver does 11.7 @ 122. Car and driver got 127 trap for c7 z06 auto. It’s not unusual for the c7 z06 to be not nearly as fast with 91 gas and heat soak. The m2 doesn’t seem to get affected by that much.
@JVette01 you fail to actually know about c7s. The 127 car and driver got was probably from a z06 with stage 3 aero/z07 package. That dramatically affects high speed runs on a z06. I stand with what I said. C8z traps 130 and a c7z is faster. And a simple Google search will show you that. And I know from real world experience
You can believe whatever you’d like but the video doesn’t lie. It’s not CGI. I’d love to see you run 130 in the 1/4mi on a stock c7z. Feel free to send me a video.
Auto glory has a race between a c7 stock auto vs a m2 comp intakes downpipes, mid pipes and the c7 gaps it by like 3 cars. So something is definitely up in this video.
S58 is such a killer platform. The LT4 is a killer platform as well, but in reality this is just a result of a better driver. The Z06 owner has no idea how to race the car and that is fine.
After these results, everyone is definitely going to think your M2 is at least tuned😂 Also thinking I need an M2 in my garage and time to sell the M240i xdrive!
Nothing stock about that M2, unless the Z06 has something wrong with it or is heat soaking as the 2016s were prone to do. M2s trap at 118, C7 Z06s in good shape trap in the 127 range. BMW does underrate their horsepower, but not by 30%. Edit: hadn’t watched all the way through, superchargers don’t compensate as well as turbochargers for altitude, especially when it’s hot and as mentioned, this first-year example doesn’t handle heat as well as later years. Also 91 octane ain’t gonna cut it in a forced induction motor, need 93. So ya, more plausible but as someone mentioned, would be good to see some 60-130 dragy numbers, especially at lower elevation
@@JVette01 I didn’t watch it all the way through, I just had time to skim it. But yeah I know for sure those earlier C7 Z06s had heat soak issues, so triple digit temperatures aren’t going to be its strong suit. To me looks like he’s down like 100 rwhp from stock minimum. Also he would definitely see a hit at that altitude, supercharges do not compensate for altitude as well as turbochargers do.
All the Chevy guys blowing snot bubbles! You have a BMW that weighs more, has 4 seats, HALF THE SIZE MOTOR! And still did amazing! Typical GM fan boys have excuses and can never see how many amazing cars are out there!
It’s not 200 hp stronger. It was misleading to compare crank HP to wheel HP. The Z06 makes 650 crank HP(+\- 560 rwhp). The M2 makes 453 rwhp, so more like 110 hp difference. Plus heat soak
The LT4 suffers from heat soak and octane even on the stock map just like the RS3. I had a zl1 1le for a while just a few gallons of e85 add a solid 50whp/TQ. A remap on the lt4 with e60 stock boost just more timing yields 80whp
@@JVette01 100% … those older Z06 also had 3 less aux air to water coolers on them vs the newer ones too so they had MAJOR cooling issues vs the newer ones where they added more coolers and opened up the front end to more airflow. My ZL1 stock boost with just more timing and E60 map went from (stock verified dragy) 8.3 60-130 down to 7.4 verified 60-130 dragy. Again stock boost just good fuel and a little more timing, tuner was telling me they show knock on stock map with 91
@@fzr1000981 honestly I lived it! I like to do track days and it did them very well, consumables was killing me though. It would eat a set of tires in 1 track day, even at wholesale it was $1500 swap. I’m in a purpose built civic now k24 supercharged 400hp 2200 lbs super fun car!
Your M2 makes 453 rwhp. You said the Z06 makes 650 HP, but that is crank HP, so probably around 570 rwhp.The combination of heat soak, and bad driving skills explains why this happened.
I’d still take the m2. 10-15k in mods won’t add to the value so all your savings will be lost once sold and you’re still driving (in my opinion) an inferior vehicle.
I had a 2018 ZL1(6spd) and would always lose traction even around 40mph if I floored it. So I never felt safe under 60mph. How does the M2 traction-wise?
Maybe your M2 has more dyno power individually than other M2. ( good to share dyno power) or due to long gear ratio of C7 Z06. Hope to race w/ C8. thanks.
I’m beginning to think that the S58 engine is the same engine whether it’s the supposedly 453 hp, 473 hp, or 503 hp version. Even now with the 2025 M3/M4 Competition xDrive with 523 hp, the engine is the same. The M2 is the sleeper car to get. Man it’s fast. If BMW ever makes an M2 xDrive….it’ll be a killer from a dig. Great video. I’m going to have to test my 2024 M2 when I get more miles on it.
The S58 is the same engine whether it's in an M2, M3, M4, CS, CSL or X3m/X4m, it's just in a different state of tune, BMW dont make different versions of this engine, just different software...same thing they did with the S55 used in M2c, & M3/4 derivatives before the G8X
The C7 Z06 overheats and is actually destroyed around the track by the ZL1 LE and by the SS 1LE on some tracks… That beemer is actually putting down closer to 480 at the wheels on the dyno..,
The launch control system is very advanced and keeps you on the tip of the grip limit. It still doesn't launch very hard. I usually get low 4 0-60s. When the tires were new, I'd get 3.9ish
I think it’s also bc the c7 has way way more downforce. Even the c6 top speed is higher than the c7 due to the downforce. But the c7 handles better than the c6. C8 handles better than both and has better straight line launch. BMW seems to be underrated in power. But also has not much downforces or heat-soaked compared to the BMW.
number 1 - c7 has OEM RUN CRAPS so no Traction number 2 - the A8 is pretty SHTTY untuned - number 3 - c7 has no grip cause surface is unprepped and OEM RUNCRAPS - all that being said it runs about an 11 flat to the 11.7 of the the M3 - there super super SLOW STOCK how do I know ? I have a FULLY BUILT 8 sec 2015 C7 that I have raced countless times so I am an expert - i used DR to race on prepper and unprepped and have done over 180 from a DIG at COALINGA and SHAFTER AIR BASE
@@JVette01 sure anytime - lots of people know my car including Morris Malone who has the worlds fastest 1/2 mile Corvette and Ryne Cunningham who is a Vetter expert
@@JVette01watch "Mick Drives Cars - turbo lag isn't what you think" he explains how about around 3k rpm is where the car should be in a bmw .. idk much but I've been trying to understand it.
Nah in a roll race you wanna be in the upper rpm’s because that’s when you make the most power. If i started at 3k there would be lag and it wouldn’t accelerate nearly as fast as being 5500+
@@G82WattsMeans you just want to be above ~3k rpm cause that’s when the turbos are getting enough exhaust flow to make significant boost. Thats why they call it the boost threshold and it’s at a different rpm range for different engine+turbo combos. Bigger turbo can flow more but the boost threshold is higher. Two smaller turbos lower the boost threshold and spread out the heat that’s why S58 has two. Expensive variable geometry turbos like what you get on 911s act like a small turbo at low rpm and a big turbo at high rpm so you’re always above boost threshold but you’re paying for it
I guess I need to start showing under the hood every video because it’s NOT tuned lol. You realize you need to send the ecu to Finland and it’s a process that cost quite a bit. I don’t feel like doing that right now when it performs so good stock.
@JVette01 no need to show under the hood as a tune wouldn't be visible. Finland is not the only place that can tune your car either. The M2 is almost 300lbs heavier with over 100 less horsepower and torque. Presuming it is underrated, it still seems to be tuned. Your channel is absolutely awesome. I will take your word; but even you have to admit that one could be convinced the M2 is tuned based on the weight, power and torque alone. Not to mention the transmissions. ORRRR, the Vette has an issue. Keep the content poppin!
@100PROOF-G i understand, hence the thumb nail and reaction in the video lol. We both were stumped, but I know one things for sure, my M2 is not tuned as I bought it brand new and never touched it. It doesn’t have any visual, hardware, or software mods.
Interesting results. I would have to say something is going on with that vette. Im in northern nv and have raced m2s with my c7 zo6, and the results were opposite of yours.
Such "tests" in the desert were hard for me bc roads are always slippery from the fine dust sand leaves. Good to see M cars have more power at least. I owned two (E46 and E92 M3) and neither were particularly fast. I just didn't love losing power at altitude on a hot day in my 97 Supra TT. But way better now it seems. What's ridiculous though is the WEIGHT of all BMWs now. Why the F can't they make a car under 3,200 lbs..?
that z06 it taching way slow through the rpm. dragging on the shifts. I wonder if its also pulling timing with the heat soak. Never seen a stock M2 ever take a stock z06 lol. sooo, either m2 is lying and or the z06 just runs like crap. Honestly, im not being a jerk but that z06 is climbing through the rpms so slow and the shifts are slow as well.
Something doesn’t make sense. I’ve owned 5 Z06s 2015-2018s autos and manuals….. and currently still do have one. Also living in Az with temps 115 degrees I’ve NEVER had any of them feel like they have lost any significant power…. Let alone 150-200 HP to give the M2 a chance….. let alone pull on the Z like it did in your videos. They may pull some timing but NO way heat soaked or not they lose to a heavier car with 450-500 HP. If it goes into limp mode…. Then the M2 has a chance 😀 From a dig the Z06 is hard to get traction and I can see the M2 getting a jump. Just like my C8, 495HP, gets a jump on my Z06… but the Z will, and does reel in the C8. Even at 100 plus degrees. When you have to explain to the guy how to race and explain why NOT to use paddles…. Sorry, but clearly has no business in a Z06….
ok this one there is actually no way lmao. genuinely confused. Z06 makes way more power and is lighter. Z06s are known to have cooling issues so thats only explanation
Something´s wrong with this Z06 the way it pulls up is just too slow. I own a ZL1 with the same LT4 engine, shifted manually, dynoed at 690hp/860 NM and it accelerates way faster than this Z06 is pulling up. A few of the early Z06 had performance issues and were dynoed at just about 540-560 hp crank, which is slightly more than the M2 will do. Guess it will be around 500.
What you need is a better driver in that vette. I knew it was a bad sign when you're telling the owner of the vette how to drive his car. You're definitely pulling on the top end.
Yes 2015 LT4 supercharger lid/bricks are undersized and were upgraded by GM for 2017. Have him get them replaced, dynoed and learn how to race an auto and do it again. But ur M2 beat him for now.
I couldn't believe it. Spec sheets will have you thinking otherwise haha. That's why in this video, I said I wanted to see "how much faster" the Z06 was.
@@JVette01 I’ve just bought a manual M2, super impressed it/you handled a Z06 with one ! Tech n performance comes along way in a few years of development. Giant killer
fwiw my c6 z06 feels faster than my g87 but it has headers and a tune and the m2 is stock power. Mine has the zr1 cooling and all but it’s hilarious how much bigger the bmw oil cooler is. Have never gotten the temp gauge to move in the g87 even pounding on it in 100 degree heat
My stock 2011 z06 has held off a g82 m4 with dp tune til 160 with me getting the hit. Every time I shifted he gained ground. Not bad for a stock manual no boost v8 but 3k into those bimmers is something else
@@sulkmahidonkeydek3424 believe me it’s tempting I have a set of downpipes waiting for me in the garage. My g87 is manual though so I’m gonna wait until upgrade the clutch before tuning it
Woo and that's why I love those M2s so much, I ordered mine and am waiting for it I'll link up the pic to my profile and also why don't you tune your M2?
c7 z06 weighs less and makes more power... z06 has to be heat soaked or bro doesnt know how to race. they didnt fix the overheating problem in the z06 until 2017 and later and thats a 15 so yea.
The answer to the yanks version to make a car faster is just to jack up the cc and bolt on a supercharger .... Not to spend time researching a smaller more efficient engine like gas flowing the cylinder combustion heads/piston design/ported carbon trail trim intake and titanium exhaust .... Like Porsche, BMW and Mercedes do. I have an G87 Competition BMW M2 with a stage II ECU tune, which includes as I have mentioned above .... Dyno gives me at the wheel 780 hp and 660 ft lbs, so for a much smaller engine tuning is a lot more simpler.
The transmission is not good in the C7. You can tell. Also, it would look a lot better if he adds the chin spoiler he is missing. And the excuses. The M2 is faster. A lot faster. My neighbor has one and it's a rocket
Something isn't right with that Z06. It's a lighter car, by about 200lb and has almost 200hp more. Granted, these M2's are under-rated and are probably putting down every bit of that 450 some odd hp to the wheels, but still....
@@JVette01 Well something is off about that car. I’m not sure he’s running on all 8 cylinders then because I’ve owned a 2019 Z06 and there is no way an S58 running beside it stock to stock. I’m currently in a 2022 Maserati Ghibli Trofeo with 580 Hp and Vettes always walk away from me top end. My car is much faster than a M2.
I wouldn’t be surprised if I beat your Maserati. Keep in mind, we’re in bad conditions. The corvette is very sensitive to heat it seems. Come to Las Vegas Mexico and let’s compare ;)
this makes no sense. I have played with m2’s in my c6z hci and its embarrassing for them. Something is definitely wrong with that z06 because they are about exactly as fast as my car whenever I’ve messed with them.
@@JVette01 im not so sure they’re both high 7’s 60 to 130. It’s the same wheel horsepower. im 578. i weigh less but they have more torque. I havent fairly raced one but I have played with them and it seems close. maybe im wrong idk.
Im only stage 2 cam and also don’t have a throttlebody or intake manifold upgrade so I may be slightly slower than some other heads cam z’s that are close to 620rwhp
Take that M2 to a dyno my guy
I'd say take that corvette to the Dyno😂 It may be just European power v American power
Bros racing cars with owners that don’t even know how to drive them😂😂😂😂😂😂
I showed him how to roll race it correctly. There was no driver error here.
@@JVette01 come on bro they need some excuses let them😂😂😂
It’s an auto and not a lot a room for error 😄
geez how much can go wrong driving an auto, after the first couple runs he had it figured out, I see no driver error here 😂😂😂
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Good ole BMW underselling their power numbers😂
Wtf that M2 is nuts. And to think the new M2 will have even more power
Its the same just a gimmick power
Just corrected numbers
@@GTOHawg Correct. A good gimmick from bmw. Although the interior is a bit better now
It’s more likely the z06 is just running like crap! A stock c7 stingray is slightly faster than an m2 ver 80mph
@@WeirdBrick you are smoking crack to think a stingray can touch a m2 at any speed lol
Poor Dude sold the car the next day. 😂
Nah the z06 is super cool haha
That Z06 was def hurting from Heat soak but the driver was also awful. Shifting the 8 speed with paddles and expecting reasonable response just isn’t a thing. You had the right idea by telling him to manually select the starting gear and then slap it into Auto. Base C7’s would have given the M2 a better run than that Z06 did.
No because for the races he did it correctly. I specifically showed him how to do it right so he doesn’t use the paddles for the race
@@JVette01 you can tell him all you want but without being in the car with him how can you be so sure? Either way he was definitely bad or the car was just heat soaked or sick or all of the above. I’m not taking anything away from the M2 though. It’s a beast.
Not really. As a fellow BMW Owner, the advertised power numbers are way lower than they actually are making. That combined with the fact that the zo6 was heat soaked gives you what you saw.
@@JVette01you being happy about the fact your bmw kept up better than expected is blinding you to the reality of the guy in the vette being a terrible driver
Once the car is in gear and floored, how does the driver make a difference? It’s an automatic
Vette owner can't drive to save his life 🤣🤣🤣
Wrong. I showed him how to roll race it correctly. Even in gear the M2 was still pulling
@@JVette01respectfully, the vette driver was definitely not getting the most out of that z06. In other words, he is/was a poor driver.
@@JVette01 Dude there is nooooooo way that M2 would beat a proper stock C7 Z06.
The minute he said he drives with the shifters I knew he was toast.
It's a 15 z06...they heat soak...still very impressive how fast these m2 are its still a way more powerful car
My 15 z06 demolished an m2. I did three pulls with him. I swapped intercooler and my c7 is fine on the track on HDPE events.
That Z got destroyed. First thing the corvette is recommended for 93 octane to get the most performance power not 91. Fuel makes a difference. Second the earlier 15-16 models suffered a lot from heat soak and reduced the power to protect itself. The later models 17-19 had a revised lid and heat exchange to "help" cool. Lastly yeah 100 degrees is very hot for that small super. I think they rate the power numbers with ideal race conditions: fuel, ocean level and 75 degrees.. not 100 plus outside
This is true. Here in Mexico we only have access to 91 octane
In the uk we got 99 octane
All true. I have an m2 comp and that thing stock is meant for 93 but I only have 91 access so I feel the pain. You'd probably pull more power front the g87 on 93 for sure. Awesome vid!
@@JVette01both of y’all should consider running 3 to 4 oz of Boostane per tank of fuel.
M2 gets 93 octane too
I worked for Corvette for years but the BMW is "The Ultimate Driving Machine"
That LT4 has to be heatsoaked. The ECU will pull timing well before limp mode. My stock z06 dynod downwards of 490whp on 91 when heat soaked stock. On exhaust/intake/flex fuel I’m putting down over 590whp after heat soak in 100* temps. Edit: if he’s on stock runflats then the car won’t dig either
Thanks for sharing
M2 is NOT as fast as a C7Z Smthg clearly wrong with the Z. I've seen Tuned, downpipes, mid pipe and still lost to a stock Z06..
They did some hard pulls in the z06 before the race, so it was already heat soaked. And I suspect there is air inside of the inner cooler system. All z06s suffer from this. They have to be bled regularly. Give me that z06 for for 3hrs to dot its I's and cross its T's and I guarantee you, it will put a school bus on that 12.2 quarter mile m2 🤣 this is comical. And he gave him bad information on how to race the z06. You cannot put it in manual mode and then put it into drive.Like the mustangs. It will not go as fast and sometimes won't even shift. You have to leave it in drive and tap the accelerator pedal twice, and it will go to the lowest gear and performance shift mode, and when you step on it, it will shift fast.
BMW is notorious for under rating the power and performance of their cars. They have more HP than they lead you to believe.
As you indicated, C7 Z06 (LT4) is more susceptible to heat soak than the S58. It's a small blower with small intercoolers running 9 psi, but yes 1st gear is pretty worthless. Makes about 550 rwhp on a dyno. Aftermarket blower wakes them up.
Yep
The Heat soak was a design flaw for those first few years for the c7 z06. They updated the blowers in the later years
@moescolla I think they updated the cooling but that 1.7 blower is the same all all C7s and ZL1s
@@fzr1000981 the top of the blower has a different air flow design
The tires make a big difference, too. Off the top of my head I don't know if the M2 has wider tires than the Corvette, but that would explain a lot. Also, BMW is known for understating their horsepower numbers, especially in their smaller cars, in part to maintain the pecking order and leave the more impressive numbers to the M4/M5/M8
M2 has 285s and vette has 335s
These M2s are insane. Raced my buddy's G87 a few months ago in my stock hellcat and was surprised to see him right in my side view mirror, I was slightly pulling away but not at all what I was thinking lol crazy cars... I'm local so too so I'll keep an eye out for an orange M2😉
If you're local, you should hit me up on Instagram if you want to be featured. I've always wanted to run a stock Hellcat. HMU @ Jvette01
Definitely make this happen
@@JVette01 unfortunately not stock anymore lol suffering from the good ol power addiction..
That poor z06 ain't running right . Just a heads up stock 2015 zo6 runs 11.1 at 127 mph 1/4mile and 0 to 100 = high 6's
In perfect conditions. This car is like my rs3 where heat affects it drastically. We’re at 2500 ft elevation with like 6k DA and 103 degrees.
Mine ran 7's stock 60-130 and my m2 ran 9's. This z06 is on the weaker end while op's m2 is strong end of normal. Makes sense.
Yeah seems turbo cars aren't as effected by the DA as supercharged.
@@JVette01I mean if that’s the case then that’s a lot less impressive for the m2. Those are some drastic condition to be able to take the W. I do love these m2s though.
S58 insane
Very strange results 🤔 you need to add some dragy data to those videos it'll be pretty cool.
Nice suggestion
The M2 is actually around 473 BHP to the rear wheels. Many have dynoed them and consistently get 20+ more HP than what BMW is listing.
Come on we all know something isn't right here c7z 1/4 mile is 11 secs at 130mph and m2 is 12.2 at 118 the numbers dont lie. the z06 is obviously not running right
Stock c7z doesn’t trap that high. And m2 doesn’t trap that low. But I get it, the results dont make sense
@JVette01 first results of Google bro. All you gotta do is search. It's 2024. Stock c8z can do 130 in the 1/4 and a stock c7z is faster than a c8z. Just look it up. It's almost 2025 bro
You need to actually read into your search results. The 12.2 @ 118 is for a manual M2. The auto according to car and driver does 11.7 @ 122. Car and driver got 127 trap for c7 z06 auto. It’s not unusual for the c7 z06 to be not nearly as fast with 91 gas and heat soak. The m2 doesn’t seem to get affected by that much.
@JVette01 you fail to actually know about c7s. The 127 car and driver got was probably from a z06 with stage 3 aero/z07 package. That dramatically affects high speed runs on a z06. I stand with what I said. C8z traps 130 and a c7z is faster. And a simple Google search will show you that. And I know from real world experience
You can believe whatever you’d like but the video doesn’t lie. It’s not CGI. I’d love to see you run 130 in the 1/4mi on a stock c7z. Feel free to send me a video.
That Z06 was sold immediately
Auto glory has a race between a c7 stock auto vs a m2 comp intakes downpipes, mid pipes and the c7 gaps it by like 3 cars. So something is definitely up in this video.
The previous Gen m2 is much slower, but yes, in the heat the corvette suffers from heat soak
Now we need to see this with a 2017 - 2019 stock Z06
or the same one but just in lower temps
S58 is such a killer platform. The LT4 is a killer platform as well, but in reality this is just a result of a better driver. The Z06 owner has no idea how to race the car and that is fine.
After these results, everyone is definitely going to think your M2 is at least tuned😂 Also thinking I need an M2 in my garage and time to sell the M240i xdrive!
It’s great because it’s consistent even after several pulls in 100 degrees.
Hows the m240i tho u got a better launch control but ofc not as strong top end ?
@Jmarzx It launches hard, but if the M2 hooks just right, it's pretty close 0 to 60! M2 in a roll race would absolutely destroy the M240i!!
Wait for the 2026 M2 xdrive
The M2 is full of surprises haha
The 2015 Z06 in particular had awful issues with heat soak. They didn’t get around to fixing it until the 2017 models. Pretty weird.
True, I am aware of this concern. Supercharger lid was changed in the later model years if I'm not mistaken
Nothing stock about that M2, unless the Z06 has something wrong with it or is heat soaking as the 2016s were prone to do. M2s trap at 118, C7 Z06s in good shape trap in the 127 range. BMW does underrate their horsepower, but not by 30%.
Edit: hadn’t watched all the way through, superchargers don’t compensate as well as turbochargers for altitude, especially when it’s hot and as mentioned, this first-year example doesn’t handle heat as well as later years. Also 91 octane ain’t gonna cut it in a forced induction motor, need 93. So ya, more plausible but as someone mentioned, would be good to see some 60-130 dragy numbers, especially at lower elevation
We mentioned several times in the video that we are blaming the performance on heat soak.
@@JVette01 I didn’t watch it all the way through, I just had time to skim it. But yeah I know for sure those earlier C7 Z06s had heat soak issues, so triple digit temperatures aren’t going to be its strong suit. To me looks like he’s down like 100 rwhp from stock minimum. Also he would definitely see a hit at that altitude, supercharges do not compensate for altitude as well as turbochargers do.
@@markw9512 Fair enough. Btw, even with our conditions and 91 gas, I've never trapped as slow as 118 in my M2. Just saying.
@@JVette01 At what DA and what altitude? And on what gas, with what tire pressure, etc. etc.
Stock tire pressures, 91 octane, 100 degrees, 2500ft elevation, 6000 DA
All the Chevy guys blowing snot bubbles! You have a BMW that weighs more, has 4 seats, HALF THE SIZE MOTOR! And still did amazing! Typical GM fan boys have excuses and can never see how many amazing cars are out there!
BMW need to start paying you. You make me and I am sure many others to consider buying g87 (i am f82 owner)
They made a great product and I’m gonna share my honest thoughts on it haha
@JVette01 Savageese said they didn't like the manual at all, so getting the ZF8 is the way to go if you get one!
I can confirm. G87 is awesome👌🏾
I don’t understand how a v8 supercharged that’s 200 hp stronger is even struggling with the m2
Needs a driver mod 😁
It’s not 200 hp stronger. It was misleading to compare crank HP to wheel HP. The Z06 makes 650 crank HP(+\- 560 rwhp). The M2 makes 453 rwhp, so more like 110 hp difference. Plus heat soak
The LT4 suffers from heat soak and octane even on the stock map just like the RS3. I had a zl1 1le for a while just a few gallons of e85 add a solid 50whp/TQ. A remap on the lt4 with e60 stock boost just more timing yields 80whp
The way this z06 is performing in the heat reminds me of my rs3! My rs3 trapped a whole 4mph less in 105 degrees compared to 72 degrees.
@@JVette01 100% … those older Z06 also had 3 less aux air to water coolers on them vs the newer ones too so they had MAJOR cooling issues vs the newer ones where they added more coolers and opened up the front end to more airflow. My ZL1 stock boost with just more timing and E60 map went from (stock verified dragy) 8.3 60-130 down to 7.4 verified 60-130 dragy. Again stock boost just good fuel and a little more timing, tuner was telling me they show knock on stock map with 91
@PureAutoFanatics why did you sell your ZL1? What are you driving now? I had a 2019
@@fzr1000981 honestly I lived it! I like to do track days and it did them very well, consumables was killing me though. It would eat a set of tires in 1 track day, even at wholesale it was $1500 swap. I’m in a purpose built civic now k24 supercharged 400hp 2200 lbs super fun car!
@@PureAutoFanatics that's a big change. ..ever try an Evora? I had an RS3 too
Your M2 makes 453 rwhp. You said the Z06 makes 650 HP, but that is crank HP, so probably around 570 rwhp.The combination of heat soak, and bad driving skills explains why this happened.
Wonder how it’ll fair against a c8 stingray/z06? Probably will lose most likely but from the past few videos ur m2 looks like it has a big chance
Hmm, not the outcome I expected. Props to BMW. Is that M2 pretty modified? Gotta be a tune on that thing.
Both cars are bone stock. Thanks for watching!
I think BMW gave you the CSL software by accident.
😂
Z06 guy doesn't know how to drive and his car is down on power. But your M2 is way under rated, well known.
Crazy just Crazy. M2s are great cars. Eventually Flash tuning mine with MHD.
M2 for $70 grand or 2024 mustang gt/performance package with whipple supercharger kit with warranty for $60 grand. 800+hp 60k or 500hp 70k.
I’d still take the m2. 10-15k in mods won’t add to the value so all your savings will be lost once sold and you’re still driving (in my opinion) an inferior vehicle.
I had a 2018 ZL1(6spd) and would always lose traction even around 40mph if I floored it. So I never felt safe under 60mph. How does the M2 traction-wise?
It’s really good for me but I’ve heard from other people that they lose traction in theirs
Maybe your M2 has more dyno power individually than other M2. ( good to share dyno power)
or due to long gear ratio of C7 Z06.
Hope to race w/ C8. thanks.
I’m beginning to think that the S58 engine is the same engine whether it’s the supposedly 453 hp, 473 hp, or 503 hp version. Even now with the 2025 M3/M4 Competition xDrive with 523 hp, the engine is the same. The M2 is the sleeper car to get. Man it’s fast. If BMW ever makes an M2 xDrive….it’ll be a killer from a dig. Great video. I’m going to have to test my 2024 M2 when I get more miles on it.
It's been reported that BMW will be releasing an xDrive M2 in 2026. It'll be a beast!!
Just wait till the M2 CS
The S58 is the same engine whether it's in an M2, M3, M4, CS, CSL or X3m/X4m, it's just in a different state of tune, BMW dont make different versions of this engine, just different software...same thing they did with the S55 used in M2c, & M3/4 derivatives before the G8X
Both great cars.
The C7 Z06 overheats and is actually destroyed around the track by the ZL1 LE and by the SS 1LE on some tracks… That beemer is actually putting down closer to 480 at the wheels on the dyno..,
False the c7 zo6 destroys zl 1 le by 4 sec on the nurburing and almost all other tracks at fastlaps. And only the auto has the overheating issue...
Did you leave knee imprints on the vette interior?
lol no
How where you avoiding wheel spin especialy during the digs?
The launch control system is very advanced and keeps you on the tip of the grip limit. It still doesn't launch very hard. I usually get low 4 0-60s. When the tires were new, I'd get 3.9ish
I think it’s also bc the c7 has way way more downforce. Even the c6 top speed is higher than the c7 due to the downforce. But the c7 handles better than the c6. C8 handles better than both and has better straight line launch. BMW seems to be underrated in power. But also has not much downforces or heat-soaked compared to the BMW.
Just saw the Chevrolet Corvette on Facebook marketplace
number 1 - c7 has OEM RUN CRAPS so no Traction number 2 - the A8 is pretty SHTTY untuned - number 3 - c7 has no grip cause surface is unprepped and OEM RUNCRAPS - all that being said it runs about an 11 flat to the 11.7 of the the M3 - there super super SLOW STOCK how do I know ? I have a FULLY BUILT 8 sec 2015 C7 that I have raced countless times so I am an expert - i used DR to race on prepper and unprepped and have done over 180 from a DIG at COALINGA and SHAFTER AIR BASE
Thank you for that wealth of knowledge.
@@JVette01 sure anytime - lots of people know my car including Morris Malone who has the worlds fastest 1/2 mile Corvette and Ryne Cunningham who is a Vetter expert
Now try with the new ZO6
If you can find one for me
I think a stock corvette stingray would have ran better 😅, my stock z06 with hot weather on 91 octane ran like a turd till i added E85.
Stay tuned, I have a race with a fbo cam e85 c7 coming out within the next couple weeks
M2 and M4s are fast AF
When ur roll racing do u do the boost threshold hold thing. I think its around 3-3.5k rpm ..
What exactly is the boost threshold thing?
@@JVette01watch "Mick Drives Cars - turbo lag isn't what you think" he explains how about around 3k rpm is where the car should be in a bmw .. idk much but I've been trying to understand it.
Nah in a roll race you wanna be in the upper rpm’s because that’s when you make the most power. If i started at 3k there would be lag and it wouldn’t accelerate nearly as fast as being 5500+
@@G82WattsMeans you just want to be above ~3k rpm cause that’s when the turbos are getting enough exhaust flow to make significant boost. Thats why they call it the boost threshold and it’s at a different rpm range for different engine+turbo combos. Bigger turbo can flow more but the boost threshold is higher. Two smaller turbos lower the boost threshold and spread out the heat that’s why S58 has two.
Expensive variable geometry turbos like what you get on 911s act like a small turbo at low rpm and a big turbo at high rpm so you’re always above boost threshold but you’re paying for it
@@Lehpurdzzz ah ok that makes sense. Thank u
M2 is tuned. For sure. We'll never really know but it suuuuure looks like it. The numbers dont match what we're seeing.
I guess I need to start showing under the hood every video because it’s NOT tuned lol. You realize you need to send the ecu to Finland and it’s a process that cost quite a bit. I don’t feel like doing that right now when it performs so good stock.
@JVette01 no need to show under the hood as a tune wouldn't be visible. Finland is not the only place that can tune your car either. The M2 is almost 300lbs heavier with over 100 less horsepower and torque. Presuming it is underrated, it still seems to be tuned. Your channel is absolutely awesome. I will take your word; but even you have to admit that one could be convinced the M2 is tuned based on the weight, power and torque alone. Not to mention the transmissions. ORRRR, the Vette has an issue. Keep the content poppin!
@100PROOF-G i understand, hence the thumb nail and reaction in the video lol. We both were stumped, but I know one things for sure, my M2 is not tuned as I bought it brand new and never touched it. It doesn’t have any visual, hardware, or software mods.
Interesting results. I would have to say something is going on with that vette. Im in northern nv and have raced m2s with my c7 zo6, and the results were opposite of yours.
most likely not g87 autos. either way, corvette SHOULD win.
@@JVette01 I'm curious how do you think you'd do against a new m3/4?
I have a video on this already ua-cam.com/video/26cNTtokckU/v-deo.htmlsi=QQ_FYxBP8iYbWq4A
Such "tests" in the desert were hard for me bc roads are always slippery from the fine dust sand leaves.
Good to see M cars have more power at least. I owned two (E46 and E92 M3) and neither were particularly fast. I just didn't love losing power at altitude on a hot day in my 97 Supra TT. But way better now it seems. What's ridiculous though is the WEIGHT of all BMWs now. Why the F can't they make a car under 3,200 lbs..?
a hyundai elantra n isn't even 3200lbs lol.
It is because of all the mandated safety equipment in cars, and all of the creature comforts people expect in cars now. They are all hefty.
BMW's alllll day long, forever my favorite cars
Watched a video where actually they were getting almost 500 to the crank-
is ur M2 faster then other M2 ? should try that !
I will try to set that up. There’s not a lot of them out there.
Fiiiine I'll bring my car out to compare.
Hahaha I was referring to you. Let’s go ;)
I'm thinking my stock GTI could run a C8 Corvette now.
Maybe if it starts a 40 roll in 6th gear you just might! Haha
😂
Makes me excited for the m2 Mx drive
That was surprising … and embarrassing to that Z06 owner
that z06 it taching way slow through the rpm. dragging on the shifts. I wonder if its also pulling timing with the heat soak. Never seen a stock M2 ever take a stock z06 lol. sooo, either m2 is lying and or the z06 just runs like crap. Honestly, im not being a jerk but that z06 is climbing through the rpms so slow and the shifts are slow as well.
Something doesn’t make sense. I’ve owned 5 Z06s 2015-2018s autos and manuals….. and currently still do have one. Also living in Az with temps 115 degrees I’ve NEVER had any of them feel like they have lost any significant power…. Let alone 150-200 HP to give the M2 a chance….. let alone pull on the Z like it did in your videos. They may pull some timing but NO way heat soaked or not they lose to a heavier car with 450-500 HP. If it goes into limp mode…. Then the M2 has a chance 😀 From a dig the Z06 is hard to get traction and I can see the M2 getting a jump. Just like my C8, 495HP, gets a jump on my Z06… but the Z will, and does reel in the C8. Even at 100 plus degrees. When you have to explain to the guy how to race and explain why NOT to use paddles…. Sorry, but clearly has no business in a Z06….
ok this one there is actually no way lmao. genuinely confused. Z06 makes way more power and is lighter. Z06s are known to have cooling issues so thats only explanation
Z06 makes about 550 rwhp on a dyno and heat soaks bad
Something´s wrong with this Z06 the way it pulls up is just too slow. I own a ZL1 with the same LT4 engine, shifted manually, dynoed at 690hp/860 NM and it accelerates way faster than this Z06 is pulling up. A few of the early Z06 had performance issues and were dynoed at just about 540-560 hp crank, which is slightly more than the M2 will do. Guess it will be around 500.
Has 8k miles so I hope nothing would be wrong with it lol
You need to do 60-130mph or 100-200kmph times on Dragy. You may have a unicorn my friend..
Stock your car ahould be around 8sec 100-200
The “slap it in drive” only works on mustangs 😂 corvettes will actually shift way early on drive 😅
He has the drive mode set to track. It shifted how it’s supposed to. What do you recommend?
really shocking results indeed, it was probably heat soaking like you said and not performing as it should.
Yeah that’s what we were assuming. Even with the heat soak, it shouldn’t lose as the M2 weighs more and has 200 less claimed hp
These runs were shocking! 😮
Omg the excuses... i was in wrong gear, i hit rev limiter... i was in auto... just get a driver mod holy crap
no excuses
What you need is a better driver in that vette. I knew it was a bad sign when you're telling the owner of the vette how to drive his car. You're definitely pulling on the top end.
He raced it correctly though
Yes 2015 LT4 supercharger lid/bricks are undersized and were upgraded by GM for 2017. Have him get them replaced, dynoed and learn how to race an auto and do it again. But ur M2 beat him for now.
We may rematch when he gets new tires and temps get cooler.
2015 heat soak. My boy had one and he got so annoyed with it he sold it.
Stay tuned. He has new tires and it's getting into boost season. We'll rematch
how much fuel is in in the tanks?
Not sure, but with the way this race went, it’s negligible
Man I told you the m2 can beat and compete with those boosted v8s
I couldn't believe it. Spec sheets will have you thinking otherwise haha. That's why in this video, I said I wanted to see "how much faster" the Z06 was.
Vette driver every excuse under the sun, lighter car, much more power, and still got smashed.
You just destroyed that corvette mate 😂
8yrs is a long time between these two
True, however they’ve been the same from 2015-2019 for the c7 z06
@@JVette01 I’ve just bought a manual M2, super impressed it/you handled a Z06 with one ! Tech n performance comes along way in a few years of development. Giant killer
Your M2 is a ripper!
Dude are you racing with the ac on?
No I turned it off for the race
It's gotta be a combination of the heatsoak and the transmission in the Z once it hits 5th gear it's falls on its face. M trans is way better
This is true. I’m well aware of the 5th gear wall on the GM 8 speed auto
new M2 with X-drive (2026) vs C8 Stingray...
My bone stock ss would send that m2 back to the dealer
That's a good one! 😂😂 ua-cam.com/video/-Wgb2TBwc1U/v-deo.html
fwiw my c6 z06 feels faster than my g87 but it has headers and a tune and the m2 is stock power. Mine has the zr1 cooling and all but it’s hilarious how much bigger the bmw oil cooler is. Have never gotten the temp gauge to move in the g87 even pounding on it in 100 degree heat
My stock 2011 z06 has held off a g82 m4 with dp tune til 160 with me getting the hit. Every time I shifted he gained ground. Not bad for a stock manual no boost v8 but 3k into those bimmers is something else
@@sulkmahidonkeydek3424 believe me it’s tempting I have a set of downpipes waiting for me in the garage. My g87 is manual though so I’m gonna wait until upgrade the clutch before tuning it
german cars r up on their hp than american cars
German be capping🧢 about their hp then American cars*
You have to be pretty shocked by these results too right? I am thoroughly impressed by the BMW and a little sad as a Corvette fan lol.
We were super surprised!
Woo and that's why I love those M2s so much, I ordered mine and am waiting for it I'll link up the pic to my profile and also why don't you tune your M2?
It performs so good stock I don’t feel the need to tune it
@@JVette01 Yes they do.
I love the m2 but z06 has to be heat soaked
c7 z06 weighs less and makes more power... z06 has to be heat soaked or bro doesnt know how to race. they didnt fix the overheating problem in the z06 until 2017 and later and thats a 15 so yea.
Lol this actually looks like it could be Mexico
It is!
How much skill does it take to shift a car with an automatic transmission?
More than a manual
Don’t they suppose to trap 130 in 1/4?
No. From the publications I’ve seen it’s around 127 but that must be with perfect conditions on a prepped track
The answer to the yanks version to make a car faster is just to jack up the cc and bolt on a supercharger .... Not to spend time researching a smaller more efficient engine like gas flowing the cylinder combustion heads/piston design/ported carbon trail trim intake and titanium exhaust .... Like Porsche, BMW and Mercedes do. I have an G87 Competition BMW M2 with a stage II ECU tune, which includes as I have mentioned above .... Dyno gives me at the wheel 780 hp and 660 ft lbs, so for a much smaller engine tuning is a lot more simpler.
The transmission is not good in the C7. You can tell. Also, it would look a lot better if he adds the chin spoiler he is missing.
And the excuses. The M2 is faster. A lot faster. My neighbor has one and it's a rocket
Something isn't right with that Z06. It's a lighter car, by about 200lb and has almost 200hp more. Granted, these M2's are under-rated and are probably putting down every bit of that 450 some odd hp to the wheels, but still....
That’s why it was confusing.. but he roll raced it correctly so I can only assume heat soak
😂😂😂 Clearly a beginner in the Vette. This is embarrassing dude sell your Vette please
He roll raced it correctly
@@JVette01 Well something is off about that car. I’m not sure he’s running on all 8 cylinders then because I’ve owned a 2019 Z06 and there is no way an S58 running beside it stock to stock. I’m currently in a 2022 Maserati Ghibli Trofeo with 580 Hp and Vettes always walk away from me top end. My car is much faster than a M2.
I wouldn’t be surprised if I beat your Maserati. Keep in mind, we’re in bad conditions. The corvette is very sensitive to heat it seems. Come to Las Vegas Mexico and let’s compare ;)
this makes no sense. I have played with m2’s in my c6z hci and its embarrassing for them.
Something is definitely wrong with that z06 because they are about exactly as fast as my car whenever I’ve messed with them.
If your c6z is hci you should destroy a stock c7z
@@JVette01 im not so sure they’re both high 7’s 60 to 130. It’s the same wheel horsepower. im 578. i weigh
less but they have more torque.
I havent fairly raced one but I have played with them and it seems close. maybe im wrong idk.
Im only stage 2 cam and also don’t have a throttlebody or intake manifold upgrade so I may be slightly slower than some other heads cam z’s that are close to 620rwhp