As a starting older (34) player, first time playing SC2 (my only experience is sc1, zerg). This is very nicely done. Your attitude, form of explanation, humor and chill atmosphere is very nice. I am lost with all these ideas and strategies in my head, going through phases (lets do all ins, lets do mutas, lets do roaches, lets flood ling, lets try spell-casters), so this is nice to take it slow and steady with basics. Thanks
@@jerubaal101 Low APM series from 2020 helped me go from plat1 to dia3. But that's all :-) For me it wasn't never hard to start, I don't even care about loosing. Hard is to acknowledge, that I'm 33, and cannot get above 105 APM, therefore I'll never get to Dia2, with the dream from 6 years ago I'll get to masters :-)
I'm 34 and have been playing sc2 since launch and Starcraft basically since it came out in the 90's... these videos are great for everyone. Economy of action is often important in every setting, but always so in Starcraft!
@WinterStarcraft - The very best part of this from a learning POV is when you actually say what you're doing. Like "Send ove 1 to their base, 17 hatch, build drone, 17 pool, build drones, 2 minutes get gas...". While I know it feels like repeating yourself, repetition is SUPER critical to retaining information in learning. Also, for those of us that kinda suck, we cannot really SEE what you're doing/building much of the time. With low APM, you have plenty of time to talk through what's going on.
Now instead of a Bronze League Hero masquerading as a Platinum and making as many zerglings as my little fingers can press the button, I'm actually learning how to play thoughtfully instead of just beating my head against the wall. You're awesome Winter!
Back in the day when I still played starcraft, I got to low diamond with all three races using winter's guides. It is certainly true that "Quantity has a quality all its own."
Every zerg tutorial is like: "This unit and this unit are awful...and this one...basically you have 3 units that are worth making. Good luck and have fun!"
Great series as always. While I don't think it matters to the overall story of the series (more beats less), then I think it's important to note that while it's on average low APM games, then there are spikes that a newbie like myself probably wouldn't be able to deal with right off the bat. Take the zergling attack at 51:00 as an example or the mootahs at 55:55. Something like that would put my skill to the test and I'm not sure I'd be able to spike 200-300 APM to pull through. I'd expect to loose more games, but still be able to climb reliably with the approach presented. I know the APM counter can be deceiving, but my overall point is just that there are a few critical situations where a higher APM is needed to succeed and not loose the game. I like the series because it showcases what to focus on as a new player. The low average APM approach helps a ton with that.
I have 3 questions: 1) At what level does roach hydra just no longer cut it? 2) If you plan not to make zerglings, is it worth it to get ling speed quickly? or at all? Or is the risk of not having ling speed when you need it for an early pressure too great? 3) What kind of things should higher level players take from these lower level guides, and what things should be ignored and or modified before taken to the ladder?
Haven't played since hots and I only ever played like 20 games back then. I recently started playing ladder after playing through the campaign for the first time. It's pretty overwhelming but a ton of fun. Number 1 thing I learned was queens are good and I should be making more of them. That and spore 20.
Hey Winter, I love the series but, I think you should put some kind of APM lock so that the game wont let you peak above 120 at this tier or something. There are plenty of times you hit 300apm for various reasons that kinda let you bully them. This is something bronze , silver, gold players cant do; but you use it alot. Its still really good. And anyone new here who plays should absolutely use this.
@thirty:nineteen ty so much winter!!! you ARE our voice!!! :D glhf 4 hours is a long time? I'm ashamed to say how many times I've watched these videos 😂 asalwaystyforyourhardworkanddedication!!!
Thank you very much for this Videos.... i was away from SC2 for about 5 years, and your vid´s are helping me a lot to get into this great game again ^^ You do a great job, man!!!!! :-)
Hey winter. Loving the series and you really got me back into sc2. Thought I kicked that addiction but what else am I going to do. How does one "steal" corruptors from a control group with alt click. I just badly remove and readd units into control groups. That would be good to know. Keep it up, great educational content.
hit select all army, A move. jk. select pile of units, press cntl + left click on corruptors on the unit list, press alt + new control group. That will remove corruptors from all other control groups and make a new group. also can use alt + shift + new control group to add them to the new group versus overwriting current units assigned to hotkey. glhf.
Don't get me wrong, the low APM series from 2020 really helped me a lot. Here goes the big BUT: :D But I barely win with my APM 85 - 105 (if crazy) in DIa3 (~3,2k MMR). Easy for me to outplay opponent in mirror matchup, but zvt and zvp is a nightmare. The answer is: you can get much from the game using mostly good tactics, good positioning and taking care of you macro, but Winter goes 80-95 APM vs. silver-gold players :D Conclusion: APM is as important as macro, tactics etc. It's a bit of a lie that is not as important. Because APM is not clicking 15 times with 1 zergling, or sick muta-bane movements and splits. It's actually taking care of your macro AND not falling with your army under the tanks. You need your micro to do macro, if you don't have micro, high APM, you lose macro, or army, or scouting info, and so on.
@2:05:05 I Absolutly love that pic, huskies are the best!!! @1:19:11 HACK THA PLANETTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!! (sry, I meant game...) @1:09:42 wow... :( lol @30:02 lol, @30:19 that gets me every time... xD also, i left the last comment on this video... :( idk how i should feel about that. as always ty for your hard work and dedication!!! glhf fam p.s. the look on your face @1:04:20 was priceless!!!! tytyty :D
Hey Winter I just want to say I'm sorry that those bastards tried to frame and attack you like that. So fucking petty. You are a fantastic gamer and I would not be improving like I am without this stream, thank you so much from the bottom of The Heart of The Swarm, I wouldn't still be playing without this stream.
I’m a campaign only player, I find it hard to multitask! My APM is about 19, started playing original StarCraft like 20 years ago and to this day I enjoy Warcraft 3 and sc2 as well as being a mediocre league of legends player.
Winter are you a hollow, I can see through you lol all jokes aside this series has helped me a lot, and indeed removing the zergling speed and early gas is a major help to improve economy and get them early 5-6 roaches to dev agro players
How do you scout enemies during the mid-late game stages of the match? Every time I play(once a year) it seems like there is a blink stalker or a missile turret, no matter where I send my overseers from. But when I do get in I'm not sure what to do when I scout the tech, except to build more queens Also, wow that was a lot of zergs, I hope you go over more terran/protoss counters in the next episode.
Folks I'm just a dumb newb but I am 41 years old, gaming since 8... there's no reason you can't have the best of both worlds on injects. All hatches on group 0 or whatever. All house queens on group 9. Bind your base cycle key. You don't need a camera for every base and you can have a queen at every base. If the situation permits you to shift spam through all the injects, fine. If the situation doesn't, find use the base cycle and select the queens individually as you would a cam. If your house queens get mess up, select them all... cycle base, inject, shift click a queen it out of your selection, cycle base inject, cycle base inject, until your last queen finds her home. Your queens will be running all over but if you have creep between your bases the shuffle will be fine and you will reset your spam mode. I could be wrong but it doesn't seem worth it to try to look and find a queen as long as you have a special house queen group. Just get your injects done, then reset them, or reset them if you have time before you need 19 damn larva at every hatch. I don't see any RTS players do this but here's how I play RTS knowing I will never be a pro and wondering why pros dont use this hardware. I use a Razer Naga. I have 10 control groups under my thumb. My hatches really are on 0. My house queens really are on 9, and my fighting queens really are on 8. That leaves 7 control groups. You'll use 2-4 groups for actual combat, and all those other numbers can be scout groups, flank groups, specialties... whatever. The 12 thumb buttons on the "MMO" mice are god tier shit once you are used to them. I met my wife when she was in her late 20s and she wanted to game with me. I said you have to use a mouse with 12 thumb buttons or you can't game with me. She learned it. She is a casual. If she can use it, you can too. Here's how. Step one: Pick a number of buttons near the front that you are comfortable with added to your mental work load. Once you don't have to spend an ounce of thought on it, add more buttons. Repeat until you are the thumb master with 12 extra hot keys on any game. Rome wasn't conquered in a day. If you can use a 4 side button mouse you can use a 12 side button mouse.
My OCD demands to know - Are the minerals from a worker that goes over to gas from minerals and vice versa lost? Do they get deposited when they pick up the new resource? Are they returned along with the new resource?
While I definitely enjoy this content, I gotta say, these low apm challenges sound nice to new players at first, but I find that obviously if you memorized all sorts of build orders, matchups, counters and movement, I feel like its obvious that a really good player can cut 90% of his apm and still handily win. I would like to suggest trying to mimic other things that happen to new players, for example not having a build order/failing at doing a build order, or playing entirely reactively as in no scouting(I for one hate scouting my opponent because I lose units) or maybe if you are brave, be bad at multitasking; you can't switch rapidly between macro and micro, if you micro you can only do micro for at least 5 seconds, No camera hotkeys because base game doesn't teach you that, and maybe do random pauses because your bronze brain needs to process what you need to do next. Maybe that's just how I experienced my small amount of time on ladder, and other people found it to be very different, but I would still really like to see some challenge where you basically ignore a key part of the game, so that lower leveled players know what is most important and what is less important. that being said, the overlord scout thing along with spore/spive 20 will probably help me out a lot, as well as figuring out that you use camera hotkeys along with 2 queens per hatch in order to inject properly. I just put ALL of my queens on the same hotkey and tried desperately to micro them into the right places and inject somewhat frequently EDIT: After making several people angry with this comment, I have come to the realization that perhaps I shouldn't be watching winter, because perhaps I simply don't enjoy playing starcraft 2 versus because of the way it is. So nothing would truly make me WANT to play Starcraft 2 versus, and seeing as how that seems to be the point of winter's channel, I should simply take my leave instead of asking for something more relatable.
I feel like he's already highlighting what is most important. For example when he talks about leaving creep expand as a last priority because other things such as larvae control are way more important. I feel like this guide gives you a nice rock solid foundation, things that should be second nature first and then we can add on all the little nuances after.
@@BranMan94 Other than saying that creep spread is not terribly important, the only thing he really highlighted was a lot of units beats everything. The problem I see is while he has low actions per minute, he still has super high brain per minute which a low player doesn't have. Where I will consistently be misclicking, clicking again to correct it, missing things that I could've scouted like units running past mine, getting supply blocked a ton, forgetting to expand, forgetting to upgrade, forgetting to build units, forgetting to inject, forgetting to move drones to extractors, forgetting about static, forgetting about tech, forgetting about transfuse, forgetting about burrowed units..................... the list goes on if you include other races. Being a really good player, winter doesn't do any of that forgetting, which means having low apm for the most part only means he had almost 0 micro and slightly worse scouting as seen by the muta scare, which is nice, but I would like to potentially see what other things you can opt to forget about more often so you can instead remember more important things. I forget about a lot more than just creep spread, so knowing that isn't particularly important is not particularly helpful. Also, I have a feeling that if your macro isn't too hot, then i doubt toning down your micro isn't gonna help much because just because you aren't doing one thing doesn't mean you will remember to do other things.
In my opinion, you're missing the point of the series. One of the key phrases from the last time he did low apm in 2020 that is missing almost entirely from this one is "work smarter, not harder." If you can pick up on only half of the housekeeping stuff he is doing and have a general idea of the build order (key units), the only things you should die to below gold are unscouted timing pushes, cheeses, and smurfs. If he attempted to teach people by emulating mistakes made by inexperienced players, he wouldn't be showing us the habits that you /should/ have and improve upon in order to get better in general. It would just be a showcase of mistakes that not-so-good players make. Decent for a one time popup, but you can't make a massive multi race series making mistakes on purpose entertaining from bronze to diamond. Like, it might make for a decent standalone video, and I'm pretty sure winter has made plenty of "fixing mistakes" videos buried within his mountain of content, but you can already learn what mistakes you made for yourself by pressing rewind after every gg. TL;DR, angry coach is learning from mistakes and replay analysis, low apm is for learning everything you need to do at a slow enough pace for each race that you should be able to follow along if you are listening to his build recommendations and other general tips
@@zergrush8709 "The problem I see is while he has low actions per minute, he still has super high brain per minute which a low player doesn't have." Winter: *Yes* Joke aside, I think besides watching this series, using SC2replays will help you prioritize your worst habbits.
@@ToxycBanana I understand the point of the series, I just don't think its a very good point. The idea that I need to just "stop making these mistakes" and memorize all this isn't going to help me very much. I can watch this man's entire youtube channel and probably forget 90% of it when I hop into a game. That's because there isn't any useful application. Work smarter not harder is not an application, its a motto. No I don't think it could be a series, 3 standalone videos might be nice, 1 for each race. It's not fixing mistakes, its prioritizing important things so your gameplay can stop being full of holes and instead be more focused on the important aspects, or at least being able to get into a rhythm.
LOL at 1:17:05 winter maxes out at 10 minutes and 30 seconds and says if he has too much we will make lurkers. What rank even maxes out in under 11? At least low diamond or high plat right? Was playing in silver 2. Love the sign off though, teach a man a build etc.
idk. everything is a cheese when i play. same old trash. 12pool, cannonrush, 12pool cannon rush. endlessly. literally 90% of the games i get at 2.2k mmr. i either play against potatoes using their toes to key press or cheese.
1:26:00 this makes me think people are just freaken dumb. I haven’t played StarCraft in long time but I can micro a few different units. But I guess because I just have experience with RTS games in general. And probably because I’m in my 30s and not some 14 year old lol idk
Eh still doable to queen walk, just need lair and some blimp-boys. If queen walking on hatch tech, build lair right before moving out. Takes about 57 seconds for lair. Poop that creep outside your opponents base, drop a couple tumors. It also opens up offensive static defense too. Think of all that cannon rushing cheese you suffered.
I enjoy the Low-APM challenge series', and I respect the gift-subs for going over, BUT... ... it feels like it's just proving that you CAN'T win with lower APM's. Winter is a master-level player and even he is consistently having to go over the low-APM limits to win matches. Penalizing himself by gifting subs is honorable, but it defeats the entire point of the series when he has to play with higher APM than targetted more often than not to win. If anything, it's just demonstrating that winning with low-APM is not feasible, because even Winter can't do it. :/
@@iDraKzy I've seen them, and he goes over quite often. I'd guess at least half the time. The Zergness has been taken into account this year with higher target-APM's than the other factions.
@@jakehawke8196 to be honest, going up to 100 APM isn't that hard if you play like 3 games a day. After two weeks (especially if you learn from Winter what to spend the APM on) you will be well over that.
@@Qrzychu92 Maybe, but that's not the point of the series. It's supposed to demonstrate that you can win with lower than certain low-APM targets. Winter's constantly going over those targets to win games just demonstrates that you cannot consistently win whilst staying under them.
I dunno if building queens is cheating, I can't even play zerg. But from watching matches with professional players in the early game it seems like terran and protoss players try to attack or harass zerg players and are consistently beaten back by queens. For the time in the early game that you can have nearly a dozen meaty queens that can attack air and ground defending your base it seems like an insurmountable wall.
As a starting older (34) player, first time playing SC2 (my only experience is sc1, zerg). This is very nicely done. Your attitude, form of explanation, humor and chill atmosphere is very nice. I am lost with all these ideas and strategies in my head, going through phases (lets do all ins, lets do mutas, lets do roaches, lets flood ling, lets try spell-casters), so this is nice to take it slow and steady with basics. Thanks
Nice! I'm about the same age, and I was a Plat/Diamond player in WoL but I haven't played since then. Hardest thing is to start.
@@jerubaal101 Low APM series from 2020 helped me go from plat1 to dia3. But that's all :-)
For me it wasn't never hard to start, I don't even care about loosing. Hard is to acknowledge, that I'm 33, and cannot get above 105 APM, therefore I'll never get to Dia2, with the dream from 6 years ago I'll get to masters :-)
I'm 34 and have been playing sc2 since launch and Starcraft basically since it came out in the 90's... these videos are great for everyone. Economy of action is often important in every setting, but always so in Starcraft!
Finally the next part for Zerg! Thank you again for this series, it has been such a pleasure to watch and learn from
+1
LMAO the realization that the "static" defense is actually faster than queens made my day!
Im so glad I happened to notice the shirt he's wearing, excellent taste, Winter.
"Somebody call a chiropractor, I have a spine problem." 😂
Winter is a good sport for letting that guy pause that was really good of him it's nice to see wholesome players in online gaming
@WinterStarcraft - The very best part of this from a learning POV is when you actually say what you're doing. Like "Send ove 1 to their base, 17 hatch, build drone, 17 pool, build drones, 2 minutes get gas...". While I know it feels like repeating yourself, repetition is SUPER critical to retaining information in learning. Also, for those of us that kinda suck, we cannot really SEE what you're doing/building much of the time. With low APM, you have plenty of time to talk through what's going on.
Now instead of a Bronze League Hero masquerading as a Platinum and making as many zerglings as my little fingers can press the button, I'm actually learning how to play thoughtfully instead of just beating my head against the wall.
You're awesome Winter!
Back in the day when I still played starcraft, I got to low diamond with all three races using winter's guides. It is certainly true that "Quantity has a quality all its own."
Every zerg tutorial is like: "This unit and this unit are awful...and this one...basically you have 3 units that are worth making. Good luck and have fun!"
I wrote all over my desk while listening to this and not watching. I made it to silver 1. Thanks hydroxicut!
Started playing ranked today using this strat. Reached gold with 11 w 4 l.
Almost wasn't worth it lol. Gold is all cheese. Every game you have to def against a new cheese
23:17 omg that wall is pre-meditated , it's beautiful
Great series as always. While I don't think it matters to the overall story of the series (more beats less), then I think it's important to note that while it's on average low APM games, then there are spikes that a newbie like myself probably wouldn't be able to deal with right off the bat. Take the zergling attack at 51:00 as an example or the mootahs at 55:55. Something like that would put my skill to the test and I'm not sure I'd be able to spike 200-300 APM to pull through. I'd expect to loose more games, but still be able to climb reliably with the approach presented. I know the APM counter can be deceiving, but my overall point is just that there are a few critical situations where a higher APM is needed to succeed and not loose the game. I like the series because it showcases what to focus on as a new player. The low average APM approach helps a ton with that.
I have 3 questions:
1) At what level does roach hydra just no longer cut it?
2) If you plan not to make zerglings, is it worth it to get ling speed quickly? or at all? Or is the risk of not having ling speed when you need it for an early pressure too great?
3) What kind of things should higher level players take from these lower level guides, and what things should be ignored and or modified before taken to the ladder?
"so the counter to two bunkers is just to ignore him"
I haven't laughed so hard in awhile. thank you.
Honestly, after that intro. I'll probably never skip one again. 😂
Haven't played since hots and I only ever played like 20 games back then. I recently started playing ladder after playing through the campaign for the first time. It's pretty overwhelming but a ton of fun. Number 1 thing I learned was queens are good and I should be making more of them. That and spore 20.
Hey Winter, I love the series but, I think you should put some kind of APM lock so that the game wont let you peak above 120 at this tier or something. There are plenty of times you hit 300apm for various reasons that kinda let you bully them. This is something bronze , silver, gold players cant do; but you use it alot.
Its still really good. And anyone new here who plays should absolutely use this.
@thirty:nineteen ty so much winter!!! you ARE our voice!!! :D glhf
4 hours is a long time? I'm ashamed to say how many times I've watched these videos 😂
asalwaystyforyourhardworkanddedication!!!
queens are THE unit for zerg. Heals, injects, spreads creep, shoots up and down, and decently tanky. Just. Make. Queens.
Thank you very much for this Videos.... i was away from SC2 for about 5 years, and your vid´s are helping me a lot to get into this great game again ^^
You do a great job, man!!!!! :-)
Dan says "sorry cat on wires" as I chuckle and realize there is a cat sitting on me making using the keyboard a rather tedious task.
People don't watch for this many hours?
I watch every minute of all your content lol
Never have the time to watch twitch live, this UA-cam upload is really appreciated 👍
Greatest SC2 series on UA-cam ever. The Protoss one I mean.
Hey winter. Loving the series and you really got me back into sc2. Thought I kicked that addiction but what else am I going to do. How does one "steal" corruptors from a control group with alt click. I just badly remove and readd units into control groups. That would be good to know. Keep it up, great educational content.
hit select all army, A move. jk.
select pile of units, press cntl + left click on corruptors on the unit list, press alt + new control group. That will remove corruptors from all other control groups and make a new group. also can use alt + shift + new control group to add them to the new group versus overwriting current units assigned to hotkey. glhf.
Winter, regarding the Fighting Queens, I have one word. Stonewall.
I feel like winter can be the G.O.A.T of star craft if he wanted to.
he is
I dare you to pop in to his stream and say this to him 😂
Don't get me wrong, the low APM series from 2020 really helped me a lot. Here goes the big BUT: :D
But I barely win with my APM 85 - 105 (if crazy) in DIa3 (~3,2k MMR). Easy for me to outplay opponent in mirror matchup, but zvt and zvp is a nightmare. The answer is: you can get much from the game using mostly good tactics, good positioning and taking care of you macro, but Winter goes 80-95 APM vs. silver-gold players :D
Conclusion: APM is as important as macro, tactics etc. It's a bit of a lie that is not as important. Because APM is not clicking 15 times with 1 zergling, or sick muta-bane movements and splits. It's actually taking care of your macro AND not falling with your army under the tanks. You need your micro to do macro, if you don't have micro, high APM, you lose macro, or army, or scouting info, and so on.
love your "in a nutshell" shirt
@2:05:05 I Absolutly love that pic, huskies are the best!!! @1:19:11 HACK THA PLANETTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!! (sry, I meant game...) @1:09:42 wow... :( lol @30:02 lol, @30:19 that gets me every time... xD also, i left the last comment on this video... :( idk how i should feel about that. as always ty for your hard work and dedication!!! glhf fam
p.s. the look on your face @1:04:20 was priceless!!!! tytyty :D
Viper lurker art of war stuff this rely helping me with my ladder games awesome guide so far
@54:20 "oh my GOD sweet baby Jesus... somebody call a chiropractor. I have a spine problem" lmao
Would love to see mr. Bootychowder make it to IEM next year. Would be interesting to see casters repeating that name over and over....
this is a fantastic series. just in time to abate my katowice withdrawls.
I’d love to actually play SC2, but no PC :( I’m glad I can still watch and learn though
thanks for the video, had a great time. starting sc2 for the 5th time ;)
videos like these are helpful to watch, I've been wanting to offrace zerg for a while now
do it! i'm terran but i love the completely different zerg play :-)
Hey Winter I just want to say I'm sorry that those bastards tried to frame and attack you like that. So fucking petty. You are a fantastic gamer and I would not be improving like I am without this stream, thank you so much from the bottom of The Heart of The Swarm, I wouldn't still be playing without this stream.
You look good Winter! I hope all is well with you. Keep it up ❤️
54:23 Oh sweet baby jesus had me rolling
I’m a campaign only player, I find it hard to multitask! My APM is about 19, started playing original StarCraft like 20 years ago and to this day I enjoy Warcraft 3 and sc2 as well as being a mediocre league of legends player.
If i ever felt half as much joy as Winter did killing that BC on 1:48:00 life would not be half as bad.
Winter are you a hollow, I can see through you lol all jokes aside this series has helped me a lot, and indeed removing the zergling speed and early gas is a major help to improve economy and get them early 5-6 roaches to dev agro players
How do you scout enemies during the mid-late game stages of the match? Every time I play(once a year) it seems like there is a blink stalker or a missile turret, no matter where I send my overseers from. But when I do get in I'm not sure what to do when I scout the tech, except to build more queens
Also, wow that was a lot of zergs, I hope you go over more terran/protoss counters in the next episode.
"What's spore20?"
"About 20 seconds past the spore minute mark."
Folks I'm just a dumb newb but I am 41 years old, gaming since 8... there's no reason you can't have the best of both worlds on injects. All hatches on group 0 or whatever. All house queens on group 9. Bind your base cycle key. You don't need a camera for every base and you can have a queen at every base. If the situation permits you to shift spam through all the injects, fine. If the situation doesn't, find use the base cycle and select the queens individually as you would a cam. If your house queens get mess up, select them all... cycle base, inject, shift click a queen it out of your selection, cycle base inject, cycle base inject, until your last queen finds her home. Your queens will be running all over but if you have creep between your bases the shuffle will be fine and you will reset your spam mode. I could be wrong but it doesn't seem worth it to try to look and find a queen as long as you have a special house queen group. Just get your injects done, then reset them, or reset them if you have time before you need 19 damn larva at every hatch.
I don't see any RTS players do this but here's how I play RTS knowing I will never be a pro and wondering why pros dont use this hardware. I use a Razer Naga. I have 10 control groups under my thumb. My hatches really are on 0. My house queens really are on 9, and my fighting queens really are on 8. That leaves 7 control groups. You'll use 2-4 groups for actual combat, and all those other numbers can be scout groups, flank groups, specialties... whatever. The 12 thumb buttons on the "MMO" mice are god tier shit once you are used to them. I met my wife when she was in her late 20s and she wanted to game with me. I said you have to use a mouse with 12 thumb buttons or you can't game with me. She learned it. She is a casual. If she can use it, you can too. Here's how.
Step one: Pick a number of buttons near the front that you are comfortable with added to your mental work load. Once you don't have to spend an ounce of thought on it, add more buttons. Repeat until you are the thumb master with 12 extra hot keys on any game. Rome wasn't conquered in a day. If you can use a 4 side button mouse you can use a 12 side button mouse.
30:40 ouch
I feel called out
oops, I liked before watching again. thank you winter, love you bro
I wonder if winter has ever played hearts of iron 4. I just started playing it and it’s a cult
Zerg is my favorite to watch
DanTheMan sounds familiar. Was he In a bronze league heroes? Anyway, I like the se videos winter, actually teaches and entertains.
Thank you Winter!
My OCD demands to know - Are the minerals from a worker that goes over to gas from minerals and vice versa lost? Do they get deposited when they pick up the new resource? Are they returned along with the new resource?
They're lost
u make me jump from bronze to master under a month
Nice video !
also by not doing anything for seconds at time he can still micro and macro at a high level just in bursts
While I definitely enjoy this content, I gotta say, these low apm challenges sound nice to new players at first, but I find that obviously if you memorized all sorts of build orders, matchups, counters and movement, I feel like its obvious that a really good player can cut 90% of his apm and still handily win.
I would like to suggest trying to mimic other things that happen to new players, for example not having a build order/failing at doing a build order, or playing entirely reactively as in no scouting(I for one hate scouting my opponent because I lose units) or maybe if you are brave, be bad at multitasking; you can't switch rapidly between macro and micro, if you micro you can only do micro for at least 5 seconds, No camera hotkeys because base game doesn't teach you that, and maybe do random pauses because your bronze brain needs to process what you need to do next.
Maybe that's just how I experienced my small amount of time on ladder, and other people found it to be very different, but I would still really like to see some challenge where you basically ignore a key part of the game, so that lower leveled players know what is most important and what is less important.
that being said, the overlord scout thing along with spore/spive 20 will probably help me out a lot, as well as figuring out that you use camera hotkeys along with 2 queens per hatch in order to inject properly. I just put ALL of my queens on the same hotkey and tried desperately to micro them into the right places and inject somewhat frequently
EDIT:
After making several people angry with this comment, I have come to the realization that perhaps I shouldn't be watching winter, because perhaps I simply don't enjoy playing starcraft 2 versus because of the way it is. So nothing would truly make me WANT to play Starcraft 2 versus, and seeing as how that seems to be the point of winter's channel, I should simply take my leave instead of asking for something more relatable.
I feel like he's already highlighting what is most important. For example when he talks about leaving creep expand as a last priority because other things such as larvae control are way more important. I feel like this guide gives you a nice rock solid foundation, things that should be second nature first and then we can add on all the little nuances after.
@@BranMan94 Other than saying that creep spread is not terribly important, the only thing he really highlighted was a lot of units beats everything.
The problem I see is while he has low actions per minute, he still has super high brain per minute which a low player doesn't have. Where I will consistently be misclicking, clicking again to correct it, missing things that I could've scouted like units running past mine, getting supply blocked a ton, forgetting to expand, forgetting to upgrade, forgetting to build units, forgetting to inject, forgetting to move drones to extractors, forgetting about static, forgetting about tech, forgetting about transfuse, forgetting about burrowed units..................... the list goes on if you include other races.
Being a really good player, winter doesn't do any of that forgetting, which means having low apm for the most part only means he had almost 0 micro and slightly worse scouting as seen by the muta scare, which is nice, but I would like to potentially see what other things you can opt to forget about more often so you can instead remember more important things. I forget about a lot more than just creep spread, so knowing that isn't particularly important is not particularly helpful. Also, I have a feeling that if your macro isn't too hot, then i doubt toning down your micro isn't gonna help much because just because you aren't doing one thing doesn't mean you will remember to do other things.
In my opinion, you're missing the point of the series. One of the key phrases from the last time he did low apm in 2020 that is missing almost entirely from this one is "work smarter, not harder." If you can pick up on only half of the housekeeping stuff he is doing and have a general idea of the build order (key units), the only things you should die to below gold are unscouted timing pushes, cheeses, and smurfs.
If he attempted to teach people by emulating mistakes made by inexperienced players, he wouldn't be showing us the habits that you /should/ have and improve upon in order to get better in general. It would just be a showcase of mistakes that not-so-good players make. Decent for a one time popup, but you can't make a massive multi race series making mistakes on purpose entertaining from bronze to diamond. Like, it might make for a decent standalone video, and I'm pretty sure winter has made plenty of "fixing mistakes" videos buried within his mountain of content, but you can already learn what mistakes you made for yourself by pressing rewind after every gg.
TL;DR, angry coach is learning from mistakes and replay analysis, low apm is for learning everything you need to do at a slow enough pace for each race that you should be able to follow along if you are listening to his build recommendations and other general tips
@@zergrush8709 "The problem I see is while he has low actions per minute, he still has super high brain per minute which a low player doesn't have."
Winter: *Yes*
Joke aside, I think besides watching this series, using SC2replays will help you prioritize your worst habbits.
@@ToxycBanana I understand the point of the series, I just don't think its a very good point. The idea that I need to just "stop making these mistakes" and memorize all this isn't going to help me very much. I can watch this man's entire youtube channel and probably forget 90% of it when I hop into a game. That's because there isn't any useful application. Work smarter not harder is not an application, its a motto.
No I don't think it could be a series, 3 standalone videos might be nice, 1 for each race. It's not fixing mistakes, its prioritizing important things so your gameplay can stop being full of holes and instead be more focused on the important aspects, or at least being able to get into a rhythm.
Hey Winter - would it break the balance of Zerg, if the Queen would be able to have inject larva on auto-cast?
Not at all. This will only affect lower skilled players.
Do you have video with control ?
What are the voicelines? The prev streams ones were much better imo
Hey look, no clickbait thumbnail and I'm willing to watch the video lol
LOL at 1:17:05 winter maxes out at 10 minutes and 30 seconds and says if he has too much we will make lurkers. What rank even maxes out in under 11? At least low diamond or high plat right? Was playing in silver 2.
Love the sign off though, teach a man a build etc.
roach based army, even in WoL used to max out 9:30 with roaches and it was slower eco. Roach is the most supply heavy unit in the game for its cost.
@@tambaz2276 ya but he is in silver or low gold..... and he STILL walked over the guy who had 200 apm and was actually a diamond.
Those comments cut me deep as one of the 75% watching this who hasn't played a ladder match for 5 years 😂
“Don’t try this at home. I’m building 2 ravagers.”
Winter simping queens again
Dammit Bobby!
did they delete the archon mode?
go winter go!
why you stopped walling off in Silver against zergs?
Ironically, Brenda means Sword in English.
wait so i didnt get masters the other season... i thought my leap from plat to master skipping diamond was normal
idk. everything is a cheese when i play. same old trash. 12pool, cannonrush, 12pool cannon rush. endlessly. literally 90% of the games i get at 2.2k mmr. i either play against potatoes using their toes to key press or cheese.
Building queens is like hacking but for good players
2:19 build order
this is not the probe or pylon your looking for *ignores probe/pylon*.... minuts later, drones lost, base lost :'( derp
Experience > all - every game - it hate it :D play much, be the best - play very "casual" - get angry.
1:26:00 this makes me think people are just freaken dumb. I haven’t played StarCraft in long time but I can micro a few different units. But I guess because I just have experience with RTS games in general. And probably because I’m in my 30s and not some 14 year old lol idk
Zerg aren't the only race with flying biological units. Night elves do as well.
BREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENDA!!!
Love you winter
The new patch nerfed queens now.
Eh still doable to queen walk, just need lair and some blimp-boys.
If queen walking on hatch tech, build lair right before moving out. Takes about 57 seconds for lair. Poop that creep outside your opponents base, drop a couple tumors.
It also opens up offensive static defense too. Think of all that cannon rushing cheese you suffered.
once he built vipers its like this isnt silver lol
Hey Winter I like when you did this forward flip ua-cam.com/video/Ar2ShLshujA/v-deo.html
Those were times right? :-)
1:41:40 "Nobody pays attention for 4 hours straight." He says, to the people who just finished watching 4 and a half hours of low APM zerg videos. 🤣
I enjoy the Low-APM challenge series', and I respect the gift-subs for going over, BUT...
... it feels like it's just proving that you CAN'T win with lower APM's.
Winter is a master-level player and even he is consistently having to go over the low-APM limits to win matches. Penalizing himself by gifting subs is honorable, but it defeats the entire point of the series when he has to play with higher APM than targetted more often than not to win.
If anything, it's just demonstrating that winning with low-APM is not feasible, because even Winter can't do it. :/
It's harder with zerg but if you check the terran and protoss he doesn't go above as much and less often
@@iDraKzy I've seen them, and he goes over quite often. I'd guess at least half the time.
The Zergness has been taken into account this year with higher target-APM's than the other factions.
@@jakehawke8196 to be honest, going up to 100 APM isn't that hard if you play like 3 games a day. After two weeks (especially if you learn from Winter what to spend the APM on) you will be well over that.
@@Qrzychu92 Maybe, but that's not the point of the series. It's supposed to demonstrate that you can win with lower than certain low-APM targets.
Winter's constantly going over those targets to win games just demonstrates that you cannot consistently win whilst staying under them.
@@jakehawke8196 then just go faster, it's not that hard
I dunno if building queens is cheating, I can't even play zerg. But from watching matches with professional players in the early game it seems like terran and protoss players try to attack or harass zerg players and are consistently beaten back by queens. For the time in the early game that you can have nearly a dozen meaty queens that can attack air and ground defending your base it seems like an insurmountable wall.
people struggle with zerg because their units are expensive one dimensional trash that cant 1v1 anything on the other races.
Aww, sucks that all the matches are ZvZ.
how is this just not smurfing he never loses thats not what the ladder experience is for anyone
this whole series is a scam like any silver would save that ovi
if someone played good winter would just play better this whole "guide" is just stealing mmr from new players
32:00 lmfao