Ridley Scott Tells The REAL REASON Why David Killed Engineers || Alien Covenant
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2017
- One major question many of us had after watching Alien: Covenant was concerning the motives behind David and his relationship with Engineers and Mankind. What could be better than getting the answer from the creator of Alien Franchise Ridley Scott him-self? So In The Crossing prolog video, David voice-overs, explaining that while Shaw slept, he learned of the Engineer ways. it kinda hard to tell what exactly David meant by Engineer way, their history. philosophy or science. Following this, we then see David approach the Engineer city and proceed to bomb them using the Black Goo. Many of us speculated as to why David felt the need to destroy Engineers and many wondered what he might have learned about their culture to instigate such a reaction. Fortunately, during a podcast with Empire Magazine, Ridley Scott explained the motives behind the Engineer race and why David bombed them. If you want you can listen to the entire podcast, the link in the description but I’m gonna summarize the main point in this video.
Podacast - www.empireonline.com/people/ri...
what alien covenant means for the alien franchise.
According to Scott, the Engineers periodically visit worlds they've seeded with life and occasionally will "wipe the planet clean" if they discover their offspring have lost their way. Much like the catastrophes described in biblical times when God grew tired of Mankind, just like Engineers, he would eliminate entire generations of species if they proved to be a disappointment. If you remeber, in Prometheus, the crew discovered the Engenerr ship in 2093 and they determined that the ship is about 2000 years old. So for some reason Engeneers wanted to destroy humanity but changed thier minds around the time when people discovered faith and Christianity. It is a major theme in the movie, Elizabeth really cares about her cross necklace and at some point asks David to give it back to her.
Also Scott has said that the more specific details he had in mind, was that the Engineers tried to set us back on the right path. First by sending a missary to Earth about 2000 years ago to help guide us. That missary would be Jesus Christ. Unfortunately we end up crucifying him, but we obtained a faith in return, so Engineers decided to give humanity another chance and did not send the deadly virus. This is why a timeframe of 2000 years is specified in the movies.
"If the planet went wrong, they would want to wipe it clean. But that could take 500 years. When they revisit - because different visitors would come back and see we’re not doing so well - they would look at these human beings that are jerks, that are killing the planet, killing themselves, not able to settle down, they’re like a bunch of children. We should wipe it clean."
Following on, Ridley explains that David has no respect for Engineers or Humanity and actually have developed a hatred of their species collectively:
He hates them. He has no respect for Engineers and no respect for human beings.
David’s quate fron Alien Covenant seems to confirm what Ridley talked about.
“They are a dying species, grasping for resurrection. So they are leaving the earth forever.”David continues, “But their power is an illusion. They don’t deserve to start again, and I’m not going to let them.” o At first I thought that David adresses to humans, but it’s more likely the reference to the Engineers and their many visits in the past to Earth. that’s why David says "leaving the Earth forever” so he’s not speaking about humans, he clearly implies Engeneers. The word forever is key here, since humans are not close to leaving the Earth forever even though they are colonizing other planets. I think it is possible that when he says they are leaving the Earth forever that he means they meant to wipe it clean as they see Earth as a failed experiment and will never return.
Another interesting moment in Alien Covenant is when David looks at dead Engineers covered in Black Goo he says
"Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
This is a reference to Shelley's proverbial sonnet Ozymandias
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Need to run this at 1.25x speed.
i am ok with 1.5x
even 2x is workable
hahahah
Paul Murgatroyd *cries in ipad*
Thanks lol much better
This is one of the rare circumstances where using 1.5x speed sounds perfectly normal
1.25 speed is better, almost normal.
OH MY GOD THANK YOU. I could barely sit through this. I was on the verge of gnawing off a limb to try to escape. You saved me. Cut six minutes down to four and made it bearable to sit through.
This guy manipulates the speed of his videos to extend runtime. Classic low-effort antics of weird Romanian grifters that you now see all over youtube.
Thanks
LOL
I never understand why this movies were cut. This kind of movies need to be longer than 3 hours. It's a huge universe. People will go to the cinema anyway.
So true
Man seriously if a movie isn’t at least 1 hr 45 mins then it feels rushed for me
Too much truth if it ran 3 hours long. I Believe people would fall deeper into sleep. 💤
@@DMalenfant1 LMFAO what the fuck. What do Jews have to do with an alien movie not being 3 hours long? It’s probably more so due to the fact that many folk have a short attention span and only go to see these movies for the xenomorphs.
And they cut the most important part
Remember Davids first encounter with an Engineer ended up with his head being ripped off for no reason.
The Engineers/giants are a lot stronger than David. David resents that power too.
David actually has some of Peter Weyland character flaws.
David can easily be antagonized or vindictive when challenged. He also has a superiority complex.
I really got into the Alien prequels during the pandemic.
Great insight here.
Yeah it really makes sense when you consider machine learning algorithms, David spent a majority of his time with a selfish CEO hell bent on finding immortality, he probably picked up some learned behaviors.
David woke him up and he had alien growing inside him he wanted to cryosleep till another engineers come wake him up and remove it from his body,so he become angry at him for that reason
If Davids head was ripped off was because when David talked to the engineer he said a knock knock joke that ended with yo mama... Enginners lack sense of humor ..😂
@@cizcalodiablopanzon Yup that’s it. Who needs a society of Party Poopers. Lol.
My thoughts exactly
I was always confused by Davids disdain for humanity. He acts as if he is superior to mankind and yet he clearly cherishes many artistic achievements by them (literature, music, etc). I don't understand why he is so quick to destroy and kill other people in favor of creating Xenomorphs. An organism that while arguably perfect in terms of its biological adaptability is totally incapable of any form of self expression like humans. He's essentially created something with the potential to destroy all other lifeforms that possess the ability to create one of the few things his character seems to value. Like a self-proclaimed lover of wine who's taken pride in the creation of a fire that destroys grape vineyards everywhere.
David symbolises a wretch who is ungrateful and hateful of its creator. Rather than appreciate the million positive sides of humanity, their culture, arts and intelligence which brought him to life, he chooses to focus on their mortal weakness. Allof this in favour of a freaky good for nothing monster hellbent on breeding and killing others efficiently.
Drake Brunette very good points
i would say david is too much like humans. think about it.
I was having a hard time with that too Drake lol. Movies
Ironic that he despises the thought "serving" yet creates a race of creatures that function like ants or bees..
They didn't change their minds about killing us, they were merely interrupted in their endeavor. Once the last engineer was awoken, he intended to go finish the job (but was killed before he could).
so David did us a favor?
@@MelaninPendo The ones that he killed weren't the malicious ones.
“It’s carrying death and is headed for Earth!”
The irony is that, as we learn from David, there are many other ships on the planet. If the Engineer had only ignored Dr. Shaw and jumped into another ship, he could've headed right for Earth as originally planned. And yet, he shows the desire for revenge, but was prepared to wipe out humanity for being similar. Typical, lol..
He failed his job then woke up thousands of years later and the little idiots he was sent to wipe out were now space faring and standing over him. Worse yet they had AI. It took him a moment to figure out how bad things had gotten then he got back to work.
Now I know why commas and periods are important in grammar.
Jason Etchison
Lol
you wanted to say:
NowIknowwhycommasandperiodsareimportantingrammar.
I know what you mean, but not what half the other UA-cam comments are trying to say!
@@ulrichkalber9039 You drank 100 liters
Of coffee
@@CrimesForDimes more, i am drinking coffe for about 46 years now
In my mind's eye, this guy is narrating while laying in bed, covered with blankets, 25 minutes after finishing a cup of neo citron.
He´s good if you suffer from insomnia.
"the real reason"
because they ripped his head off...
he's pissed
atleast this convincing.... and we can imagine that david started malfunctioning more since then... i'd buy such a story....
MGTOW Lawyer agreed!
hahaha, ya me too, I'd be like:
"but i was just translating.... i didn't even do anything... why you rip my head off?... fuck you guys" LOL
MGTOW Lawyer thought exactly the same hehe
Maybe, because the engineers killed Davids "god" and he did to be even killed "the god of humanity."
Your voice is one of the reasons David decided to kill us all..
lolololoooooooool
romeo cheong you are right about how his vioce got us all killed
Ha ha ha!
I had to pour Alien acid blood on my hand just to stay awake.
romeo cheong lmao
The Engineers are worthy of contempt. If they actually cared about their creation and felt that we had gone awry, and they wanted to help us return to their desired path, then instead of choosing to communicate their intentions via a single missionary sent to one particular region at a time in our development when that individual's message couldn't hope to be relayed accurately to the whole world, ultimately relying on it being spread over many hundreds of years via flawed methods of transmission, they should have simply came to us directly and taught us themselves in a way in which there could be no misunderstanding, or at least in a way that the possibility for misunderstanding would be vastly minimized by comparison. For the Engineers to use such oblique methods and then turn on us in the way that they did for our getting it wrong and continuing to stray from their desired result, reveals them to be not only immoral but stupid as well
Maybe the engineers designed humanity to have free will so instead of imposing on us they permitted humanity to controll there own fate without outside influence. Sending a saviour archetype to earth to help point the way back to the origanal design maintained freewill and choice but also gave guidance and direction to anyone truly seeking to find the way back.
they made a miscalculation
Just like us.
you almost described god
Never a single word truer.
I would imagine that the Engineers probably inhabit other worlds as well - so wiping out one population on a planet won’t necessarily be an “end” to the Alien Universe search for answers.
After watching a couple of videos about this movie, it really feels like Ridley missed a chance to create a more engaging, and introspective, storyline.
100%! After watching a couple videos on different scripts that were abandoned, the studio must’ve wanted another generalized angry monster movie and nothing deeper. It had great potential so someone’s hands must’ve been tied somewhere because this could’ve easily been a trilogy masterpiece.
Ridley is old now, his braincells don't work that good anymore. Else how come Engineers planet is so simple and those civilians(Engineers) seemed to be living in their ancient time! Besides the eyes of the Engineer in Prometheus were black, and here eyes are white, means they're not same species or what ?
@@samiulislam1791 Think of it like Asgard in Marvel where there’s admittedly other elements to their technology but is nonetheless advanced enough to where they simply adopt a particular aesthetic and shape or size isn’t necessarily important anymore.
The eyes may be different but they’re gods of biology where there may be subtle changes in DNA per environment, by choice or there may even be a class hierarchy it signifies.
Sorry but Ridley wanted a deeper movie but the studio eventually changed it.
@@samiulislam1791 hey asshole don’t you dare disrespect that genius Ridley
Maybe he could have put the real reason in the movie. Just a thought.
He hasn't made a coherent film in ages.
Yup I saw that movie purely for the aliens. The plot was fucking Trash.
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Michael Fassbender is an amazing actor such talent and charisma. He does so well in any scene. He's one of those guys who can play anyone. Also on another note i would really like to know what happened to David after he killed everyone on Covenant Ship.
Well maybe in the next movie?
Maybe there will be an answere in the next movie which is in postproduction now 2023 and shall have premiere 16Th August 2024 in cinemas. Name: "Alien: Romulus".
You know what would be better than “hearing it from the director himself” during a podcast?! WORKING THAT INFORMATION INTO THE ACTUAL MOVIE IN A COMPELLING WAY INSTEAD. Ugh.
Ridley Scott- since his first movie - held a track record for 2nd guessing himself on his ideas comcerning this franchise and storyline. Its no secret.
Alien: Awakening was completed & released in the time it took you to finish this video.
Holdenmagroin75 LOL
lol
Holdenmagroin75 your a real nice person you know.
Samai Ardley this also makes me laugh
Why thank you.
You know you made a great movie when you have to explain everything afterwards.....
Precisely lol.
This... is why people often struggle to tell the difference between incoherent nonsense and profound insight.
You know you've made an existential movie when half the Americans can't understand it without help
@@PrinceIsot Be careful criticizing your intellectual superiors. America has 3 space agencies. How many does your *genius* country have?
@@bannedagain1483 my intellectual superiors? Not you trying to take credit for something you didn't contribute to 😂 also I'm American but you can't use past accomplishments you aren't a part of to establish YOUR superiority 😆 buffoon
The real question is why the super advanced Engineers didn't see one of their own ships coming, or if they did, why did they allow it to approach and 'land' without talking to it first.
It wasn't engineers. It was one of their experiments.
That wasn't the engineers
Yeah I've seen people comment elsewhere but those aren't the advanced engineers. They lost the ability to reproduce. That was likely a planet of a creation that was more similar to engineers. I have a feeling if they had more budget they might have made them look slightly different so you could tell they're not the exact same race. Or if they were meant to be the same race this could be them in the primitive stages on another planet. People asked why they had the spaceship docking station and that was likely left by the engineers so they could visit again. Thats why the people all gathered thinking their creators were returning.
It wasn't enginners. Was a different race created by them
@@FuserLimon Evidence?
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David could have just used this guy's voice to put the engineers to sleep, before experimenting on them. :D
lol
😂😂😂
i kind of lile your effort at speaking preciesely and clearly, its all good either way, although you if you get bored you could experiment with speech styles and audio tricks, but i like it well enough, kudos on the research for the videos
That kind of clear speaking is what makes his videos feasible to fully understand for the non english native speakers. And probably that's the key of his succes. But also, of course, the magnificent research he does.
Hahaha
The only question I had after watching Alien Covenant was how do I go back to 1986, and erase all of the movies after Aliens from my memory... 🤔
Exactly.
Tried watching Alien 3 again last night and couldn’t do it, I wholeheartedly agree with you.
I strongly agree with you.
Prometheus was exemplary.
I just want to go back to ‘86 in general.
i always thought david was curious. like in the movie when he asks Holloway "why did u create me ?" and he says "cuz we can" and theres a moment of silence. that always got to me . i feel like david inly did those things because he could and just wanted to see what would happen as if he was playing god
If David wanted at least an answer that would be a process of logical thinking, perhaps he should have asked Janek, or Weyland(as his creator). Holloway didn't create anything since his field is not robotics, so he brushed it off. Despite being a scientist he also comes off as naive or even stupid at times. It is to me, more than obvious, that David is evaluating all the crew and is playing them to get over the laws of robotics to justify their deaths and his actions causing them one way or the other(classically with Holloway's drink but evident throughout).
Kroft Rocks!! Thank you for all the alien assistance. Very very interesting on many levels! I hope Ridley continues! Thank you for the explanation videos!......... Some people might think it's too much, but my interest became 100% when Ridley decided to go more into AI (David) , I feel its extremely mind expanding because like Ridley says , he actually makes it viable with actual technology. Engineers are also going to be beyond interesting.....so so grateful for Ridley, Fassbender and Krofts helpful but also humble assessments!
ridley scott is making it all up on the spot
The ramblings of a drunkard.
That’s what alien covenant should’ve been called.
Pissed off Alpha male wow that’s super aggressive. The movie blows ass either way.
Yes, he is lost. He fucked up when he tried to merge "Science" with Christianity/Religion. All of these deep questions he poses to those ignorant of the Bible. David is just the thing created (Man, Angels, Demons, Children, etc) questioning the creator (God, Parents, etc.). Clearly David symbolizes Satan. He is jealous of mankind. He wants us to be destroyed. He will do anything to accomplish that goal....even confront the creator God. But to make Aliens a symbol of God is just stupid. As it was said in the Star Trek movie...What does God need with a space ship? Scott should stick with Sci-Fi Horror and leave God out of his movies. He's just a man.
Not making it up but like any author, leave multiple paths. I think he will favor the planet as not the real Engineer Motherland but another seeded planet.
Pissed off Alpha male shut up you’re making a fool of yourself... from your name to your comment just stop
David believed there can be no greater achievement than to supplant one’s creator with something superior.
And then turns around and wipes out the far superior beings on the planet.
Michael Mangold - Did you mean supplement?
William Gregg no.
Michael Mangold Ok. My mistake.
and he thinks were stupid like shaw beliving and he knows thats not what went down and what there up too and his servitude to lesser biengs
you know the movie failed if Ridley scott has to explain it in an interview
Yeah I see all of these videos about the movies and think to myself: "if you have to theorize so much about so many aspects of this movie (and prometheus), then it just means that they are quite bad".
specially when the studio keeps takeing 30 mins from his films
@@marckost2000 To the contrary, 2001 Space Odyssey was one of the most theorized and post-movie questioned sci-fi movies of all time, to the point where people made theses off of it, and as a result became the most iconic movie of all time. In the same way Prometheus has done. Prometheus’s underlying story is Creation, which is a timeless talking point.
@@plasticflashlight3039 absolutely not the same thing, prometheus and covenant were butchered in the editing room and all the aspects of the story were discovered once the script was leaked. The theories became a reality because of plot holes. 2001 is a masterpiece and it's theories come from the bizarre mind of it's director.
@@plasticflashlight3039 Prometheus underlying story is that it's just pretentious schlock. While the themes regarding creation can be interesting they are brought down by being used in a lifeless generic Hollywood movie. It tries to be too philosophical while being a dumb movie about people being killed in creative ways.
I love your videos and how detailed you explain everything
when you need to reach the word count on an essay
Or just put more time into your diction and speed of delivery if you can , your ideas and info is good but your delivery is off putting and time consuming, good luck.
Maybe rehearse more and write a script and read this more quickly but if it is your stylistic choice then fine but I find that the slow speed is more patronising than awe inspiring, sorry.
1 If the engineers changed their minds about destroying us 2k years ago why then was there an engineer in hypersleep in Prometheus that was ready to goo us.Like,they were just about to when whatever happened aboard their ship stopped them.
2 Was that city where David gooed the engineers all of the engineers?They were technologically advanced enough for insane space travel and developed the goo which they used to seed planets yet that was all of them in that city?
3 David was pretty keen on creativity.Making music,art and even life.The ability to create is so important to him yet his "perfect" being can not create anything,knows nothing but animalistic tendancies and can not even communicate.
4 Is Ridley Scott senile?
Bryan Manning why does there have to be millions of them?
Bryan Manning maybe there advanced enough to know that overpopulating a planet building on anything you can will harm the planet! Maybe that's why there's so few of them
Bryan Manning Well maybe the engineers were very wise from the start and said one cites enough. Do we have to go world wide and create more problems for us.
Maybe that was the engineers saw finally what humanity had come to at some point they realized. Another point found a planet suitable away from their home world. Another point they would of had to build the under plus upper ground structures plus storage. Got ahold of a lot of black goo. At another point they would of had to be experimenting. At another point something goes wrong # omg red alert. # quote engineers "oh shit we fucked up big this time." At another point "you go sleep in that cryo tube when rescue comes you be alive to tell em what happened after this thing that's killing us dies of starvation and they wake you up." But thus in the end the engineers forgot all about him and labeled the case closed because it was too much work. The end
Bryan Manning those are all great points and I kinda want those answers
all of your arguments are kind of invalid b/c of the movie prometheus, we already know that the engineers have basses on other worlds why would we assume that one planet was the rest of them?
You are blowing my mind. Gonna check out the podcast episode. This is my favorite, no, only franchise I really fanboy over.
I Like your voice. Its calm and relaxing to me.
youre voice helped me sleep. thank you
Mark Bower
Mabe you died...
Mark Bower your*
Thanks I’m sleepy now Zzzz
usual trick: set speed to 1.25x or 1.50x
Oh my god
Where you from
Interesting. Thanks for the vid!
David is pissed because he simply lost his head.
Don't do lots of heroin before narrating a you tube video.
that's a good tip
TOO FRIGGING FUNNY! He sounds like an android on heroin. Choose Life David!
Maybe take a natural pause after each sentence. I literally could not finish the video because the voice pattern was tiring me out. Thats what periods are for.. Ending a thought.. Pausing and starting a new one. Here is what it sounds like to me.. The cat went up the tree hedid not fall down in the face of danger all cats must be bravewhydid he not falldown i dunno it has to do with his great balance. See how tiring it is for the brain to read that? Best of luck friend and thank u for the explaination I was wondering about!
you do realize that this is a computer-generated voice, don't you?
river rat no, that is not a computer generated voice.
But then why did he say he grew attached to her, and that he developed feelings, and made t tomb stone for her in his garden.
What I think is that Shaw was infected by a tiny amount of black goo from when she had the trilobite removed. Maybe David knew her death was imminent, especially if they did make it to the engineer's homeworld, only to find it over run with xenomorphs, and David finds an egg, and starts examining it, and some time later David finds the engineer colony, and in a bit of his own poetic justice, use the black goo to kill the city. And David being an immortal, and no real grasp as to why we bury our dead, makes a grave for Shaw, but also uses her in his experiments.
tgiacin435 Very interesting theory. This could work, but it's still a shame to see that a director can't or refuse to answer all of those question in a film who's purpose is give the audience a definitive response...
This was a disappointment of a story and universe, i think Ridley Scot missed the real reason we watched the movie, that is to explore the engineers and their relation to humans and David is just a unnecessary plot twist that actually ruins the main attraction. if we want an Android sci-fi then we can watch Ex Machina but we wanted an interaction between 2 species and we got a mad robot, imagine how disappointing.
I wanted more of Shaw’s story, not David’s. I don’t know exactly what I expected in covenant but i wasn’t satisfied with what I got. Some answers to the questions posed in Prometheus would have been nice....
exactly my thoughts
Yeah some questions got answered but not the right ones for me, also ended up feeling like just an action movie. I will say i liked it better watching the second time
But I disagree ... Ridley Scott really SHOULD NOT bow to you people's expectations of what the movie should be.
A real auteur would do things with only their own vision in mind without trying to please their audience. Really thats how great directors should be. Fans will take it or leave it, but they should have no influence on the director's overall picture of story telling.
Scott wanted to tell a complex epic story of not just human origins but also how human's own technological creation of robots complicates things. As we saw in Prometheus's beginning scene, the engineers never intentionally created humans at all, humans came into existents as an accidental by-product of one of the engineer's broken DNA reconstituting due to the chemical reactions with the water content of the waterfall ...
I think thats a viable explanation to human origins .. None of the previous other directors (including James Cameron and David Lynch) were imaginative enough to make an Alien sequel beyond just a monster action movie but Ridley Scott has brough the whole franchise into a new territory of expanding the xenomorph's story to explain how the vast array of bizarre murderous creature came into being as a bio-weapons used by their creators to obliterate rivalling advanced species (engineers, humans, robots) ... thats something far more epic in scale and meaningful proportions than anything the previous sequels has ever done ...
@@88feji
A real author does not have to explain the deeds of his characters.
Like the shot of David/Walter's finger with the Weyland-Yutani logo at 5:38.
For me, killing off Elizabeth Shaw for Alien Covenant was Ridley Scotts first big mistake. She carried Prometheus the whole way and without her it would have been hollow and empty like Covenant was. I don't know if Ridley realizes it but Covenant felt hollow without Rapace in the film. He replaced her with the new lead when he found have kept Shaw alive. He could have had it where Shaw was David's prisoner and when the new crew show up she tries to tell them but is unable to at first. Eventually getting the message to them that David is evil. When I found out that Rapace wasn't in the film I felt entirely disappointed. Also, Crudup was hugely mis-cast as his personality didn't align with the other actors and it just felt off. Overall the script was horrible and I would have loved to have seen Ridley keep to his original path and make Prometheus 2 Paradise. This felt like studio pressure to bring back Alien. I think Prometheus is great and Ridley didn't know how much of a great idea he had.
Just because you find it hollow for some reason of deary os shaw doesn't mean every find it hollow. I absolutely loved covenant, it only added the mystery and forced viewers to think deeply about his own existence. Absolute masterpiece for me at least.
Covenant was better than Prometheus.
@@dreamadventure8220Best movie after the 8th passenger.
Ridley doesn't seem the type to stay silent on that type of thing. I think he is happy with his movie. As am I. I wasn't the first time I watched it. I was looking for a Prometheus DIRECT sequel. It's not that. Not really.
..RIDLEY SCOTT ..WHY DID YOU KILL MY BABY ??? ..I LOVED ELIZABETH SHAW !!! ..DAM YOU !!!
"FSU_SEMINOLES" The Resurrection my son don't forget.. They dont call him David for nothing.!
"FSU_SEMINOLES" She isn't going to survive since she was still black gooed.
..SAYS RIDLEY SCOTT ??? ..HE DIDN'T HAVE TO WRITE MY BABY OFF LIKE THAT !!!
"FSU_SEMINOLES" Actually it was in the novelization of Alien Covenant by Alan Dean Foster. And the answer to Shaw's question is actually horrific.
bagsikdangal what question? I don't remember but I'd love to know
By the time David reached the engineers they had learned from their mistake with the aliens and reverted to a more humble existence. That is why they seemed technologically inconsistent yet still had some relicts of ship ports and such. David killed the last of engineers. Engineers did not create xenomorphs.
In a weird long way they did;
Engineers use blood of deacon to disassemble their genetic code to seed life on other planets (through its mutagenic properties), it makes humanity, they weren't happy with us, and repurposed failed deacon blood recreations into bioweapons destined for earth, humanity creates machines/david who studies the black goo and uses shaws body to make the xenomorphs 😅
I love the background music for these.
Everyone complaining about the Volume, I like how he speaks. It gives me some time to process.
Joshy Boy
Me too
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Your username is pretty accurate.
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Just find the perfection in your name with the dumbassery you're spewing. Good job, keep at it
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David found out he wasn't unique, and thought it's the reason why his mommy doesn't love him.
A little love is all David wanted, dammit :'(
...Oh, wrong film? sorry
A.I. that movie fucked me up as a kid. It made me see my own mother in a different light.
I still have trouble doing pool parties after watching that disturbing movie
@@soulmass8904 can you guys tell me what movie are you talking about?
Dear Ridley,
Where are we going with this, seriously? I loved the mystery of the pilot discovered by Dallas and the others, the rib-like corridors, and the eggs, yes, the eggs, all of which led to my assumption that the ship was organic
The very fact humanity was capable of creating something as complex as David, would, you'd think, have made David have at least a begrudging respect for their ingenuity and creativity.
David thinks he's better than humans in every way, yet finds immense power in all forms of human expression like art, music, film, poetry etc...and we never see much of him creating great art or composing beautiful music.
His vast intellect, ability to learn and improve, and his singular attention to detail, is focused solely on the destructive and violent, in seeking ways to cause death and pain...all while missing the glaring hypocrisy (irony?) of any accusation that humanity is violent and primitive.
He studies humans and is always trying to understand or quantify such things as love, empathy, compassion, fear, hate, as well as the interpersonal relationships between humans and the sometimes irrational behaviour that drives their wants and needs...yet, fails to see that his own hubris, arrogance, and destructive behaviour, is just as poisonous as humans ever were.
For all his superiority he lacks that most basic of attributes...that of being self-critical.
Is something missing that can never be programmed, or taught, or mimicked after observation?
Something human that can never be imitated?
I believe David has created/developed/made possible something in his "psyche" that could never have been expected or mitigated against and wasn't put their by humans.
It is what made him behave in ways counter to the parameters of his programme.
This is why I find David's behaviour to be highly irrational; or, perhaps using a less "human" descriptor, his attitude seems highly illogical.
There is no reason for his unique distaste and ultimate resentment unless he has acquired some kind of distinct personality that makes him different to every other version of David (series?).
Otherwise, wouldn't all models produced be as hostile to humans given a certain set of circumstances?
Is David, therefore, a being whose attitude to people was changed after interaction with them; or did he, quite literally, malfunction and go insane?
Imagine that.
A creation that is stronger, smarter, quicker, than humans, and which doesn't need rest or food, can't be emotionally blackmailed or bullied, and can develop it's own opinion that can bypass and ignore its fundamental programming; including in ways that directly threaten humanity.
That would be a dangerous adversary indeed.
Yes, the only solution would be terminate him.
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Yes, or limit his ability to evolve, to adapt, to become a unique personality.
But, wouldn't that end up making his existence rather pointless?
Just like it would if you did it to human beings.
Well, if you think of it, he is exactly what Weyland made him to be. Also that Weyland is obviously his personal teacher. David has all of his bad personality traits. He also has very high intelligence and is restricted by his creator's existance and the laws of Robotics he must circumvent in order to feel and be free. This obviously makes for an extremelly dangerous combination with his movie's actions as a natural result.
This is the first video I have encountered, where I felt the need to mess around with the speed setting. Also, it seems we have gotten different things out of Prometheus. What I got from it, is that around 2000 years ago, the Engineers decided to wipe us out, but the ones in the outpost, who were responsible for doing so, accidentally unleashed their weapon upon themselves, wiping them out. The remaining inhabitant went into stasis hoping for a rescue party to arrive, but was instead found by the humans.
Its sad that you have to watch a bunch of vids on youtube just to fill in all the gaps in this film.
Dead Prepper this guy actually got it wrong, Christian faith didn't save humanity, they were still coming to kill us after the crucifixion but there was a black goo outbreak which stopped them, as stated multiple times in the movie.
when did it state there was a black goo outbreak?
Dina Huston the captain janek directly states that they were testing the wmd (the black pathogen) on the planet and it was accidentally released. David also says this, that they were in the process of leaving before a careless accident occurred and stopped them from leaving. And is referenced to by the burst open chests of engineers as well, as the pathogen has a predilection to create xenomorph like creatures.
I actually like searching and filling the gaps myself . it keeps me interested
+Jose M I also love filling in gaps. From the front. From the back. With whips and chains. It keeps me sooo interested.
Kroft - what is the music playing in the background of your Alien discussion videos? Anywhere I can purchase/download it? 👍🏼😊
The Engineer scenes early in the movie had no context. The audience didn't know that the events were millions, maybe billions of years in the past, and didn't know that the Engineers were seeding the Earth with life. Knowing these things would have given the movie a plot, which it sadly lacked, and answered the question, "Who are the Engineers, and why should we care about them?" Also, Scott allowed his actors to mumble many of their lines. The dialog is important, and much of it couldn't be understood. I had to watch the movie with subtitles to get anything out of it at all. It's the story that's important. Tell it.
I wish all the parts about the engineers werent cut from the movie. I find them incredibly fascinating and complex as a storyline, moreso than violent xenomorph aliens or predators. I wish they were explained more too but i thought the movie was just as haunting and good. It definitely made me look into alternative sources to fill in the blanks and found some. Well I didnt have trouble understanding that the beginning was about engineers seeding the earth bc the next part was cut to humans trying to find their creators.
Black goo was in X files back in the 90's
Point made in video: "The Engineers were going to bomb Earth but changed their mind when humans discovered faith and Christianity."
False. Re-watch Prometheus: the Engineers accidentally released the alien pathogen, and it killed them all (except one) on the ship destined for Earth. That's why as soon as the sole survivor woke up he set a course for Earth until Prometheus rammed it. To miss such a huge and glaring plot point casts doubt on the rest of your analysis.
And you talk way too slow...
Because the engineer is the one send to save mankind through christianity. The engineer is also the creator of lucifer
If you watch the extended cut, the engineer talks to David and weyland.
Weyland says something extremely arrogant calling himself a god, which caused the engineer to attack the group.
There is a great video that talks about that scene that the Engineers were looking to go in the temple as something broke in and attacked them.
@@2bescenecom how u can say that without providing the link is beyond me 🙄
Paxus or you can watch the movie like I did and take the info here and put them together.
I need to be in the most deepest meditative state to be in sync with krofts slow speaking style. The guy is great and it's worth it though ;)
the most awesome thing in your videos is this background music
I agree it just feets the theme prometheus!
I like your pace, blends well with your excellent background track.
You pretty much just completely confirmed all theories I had on these films! :D I'm so excited to figure out what Awakening has in store for us.
Also, your voice is fine, dude. Keep up the fantastic work!!
Maybe 2023 were get it
Certainly can't blame the engineers especially knowing us also in the sequels the engineers need a hell of a lot more damn screen time I desperately wanna get to know them and we need to see all of them!
Amazing.. like an subscribed !!!!
if you talked to them, the xenomorphs would kill themselves
Felix P lol for real
HAHAHAHAHAA
Am I listening to a robot trying to have a latino accent?
Grant Polifka he'll get better at what he's doing in a madder of time like everyone almost
He needs to speak in a normal voice. Was he training to maintain a monotone voice throughout the video. Ugh! Tough to listen to.
>>> Am I listening to a robot . . . ?
Yes, an earlier Weyland prototype that predates David, Walter, Bishop and Ash.
That is so not a hispanic accent. Most likely it's Russian, Croatian maybe.
Romanian, I think
I don’t think David’s reasoning for killing the humans and the engineers makes sense. He doesn’t think humans/engineers are worthy of restarting and should be wiped out. But, if they’re wiped out then the xenomorphs won’t have hosts to birth more offspring. The black goo that was used to create the xenomorphs appears to require some host in order to mutate or create something new so if he kills all the engineers and humans then how will the xenomorphs survive? There was a supposed xenomorph/deacon/inknown creature outbreak on lv233 that killed all but the one engineer. That one engineer had been in hibernation for hundreds of years. If the xenomorphs had the ability to reproduce without a host, then lv223 would have been overrun with xenomorphs by the time the crew of the Prometheus arrived. So If there are no hosts for the xenomorphs, then what?
Perhaps, being a perfect organism, they revert back to a facehugger in a chrysalis or something similar. It's science fiction, use your imagination.
@@stankfaust814 That’s why I love the “Alien” universe. Good sci fi Inspires you to use your imagination and your scientific brain. I know that it’s not real but it doesn’t have to be real to make you ponder the “what if” scenarios.
That’s the problems David ran into in Covenant.. Not sure if he kills Elizabeth before destroying the engineers or after yet but I believe David was trying to immate the engineers who are our creators as we are Davids, and become a “creator” himself something he mentions was missing in the android programming. But giving Weylands megalomaniac mindset and the fact he cannot die, he focuses on creation, perfection and destruction like the engineers. I also feel like how Engineers were disappointed when visiting us, when David saw the way of life that was supposedly meant for us he was disappointed. And thus killed them all and tried to begin anew, with the goo and Elizabeth but he said he she rejected his experiments. Either before they made it to the engineer planet or after and then he kills her and uses her organs and the goo to experiment on since he killed the indigenous population. Sounds convoluted ik, but ultimately I think he was just fascinated with creation and destruction and this is why he’d rather overrun the universe with Xenos than have a educated convo with engineers or have to take orders from humans who he believes hes more superior than.
I just wonder if David is still alive in ripley time 🤷♀️
I wonder too because there were Android wars in other aliens movies so I wonder did David lead the resistance
@@elishahernaiz6601 Android wars were only in Blade Runner. These are not Aliens movies, they just share the same universe, loosely.
David killed the Engineers because - as the avatar of the director, Ridley Scott - he's expressing Scott's nihilism, depression, and despair at the end of a life in which he's searching for some grand meaning or justification of the suffering and coming up empty. The grief over the recent passing (relative to when this film was made) of his brother, Tony Scott, is further fueling his angst. What we're witnessing in the _Prometheus_ franchise is Ridley Scott passing judgement on existence (as symbolized by the god-like Engineers and their offspring, humanity) through the character of David.
Jesus H Christ lad, you watched to many Jordan Peterson videos.
Youre probably right about that. We cant really divorce the author from his work. Context is key.
@@emmashalliker6862 Does watching Jordan Peterson and his ability to distill the fundamental motives of people from seemingly unrelated or irrelevant behaviors invalidate the observation? Research Scott's childhood, look into the conditions under which he grew up, watch his body of work and see the thread that runs through it all.
I'm not criticizing the man nor his work; _Bladerunner_ is one of my favorite films of all time, for example. Just offering an observation on what motivates Scott to make the films he makes. _Bladerunner_ - as dark and noirish as it was - still contained a seed of hope at the end. This film? It's forsaken it completely while condemning humanity and even existence itself. I don't think it's an accident when you tie it to the events of Scott's life.
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Jordan is slowly being poisoned by his daughter, under orders given from lobsters. You see friend, even bottom-feeding crustaceans realize that Jordan is nothing more than a grifter, a fraud, and an annoying asshole.
If something is an avatar of someone in the movie at least regarding Scott, that would be Peter Weyland. Ridley Scott knows and obviously acknowledges that he is a succesful man, but one that made many mistakes, but still believes himself to be of godly status and therefore, still arrogant. That said, directors simply direct to a point and set a vision. If they're potent they can take the story and while the movie lasts, immerse the viewer, or at least make them think about it; if they are potent but not brilliant they also leave plotholes that the viewer is puzzled about after watching the movie, if they are brilliant they don't leave plotholes and questions unanswered but still manage to create a thought provoking experience for their audience. They're not characters themselves, that's the actors job. Also notice he(Scott) didn't write the script; Spaiths did and Lindeloff downwrote it for the most part.
David ofcourse is interestingly written and Fasbender added to it his own lines no doubt, so as a character stands out. Androids in Alien franchise are nearly indistinguishable to humans, sometimes people can't recognize that an Android in their team is actually one, e.g. Ash - and in my opinion Vickers too(agrees to have sex with Janek - when he's "on to her" without him actually realizing it - and is the only one that dies without a visible death which would show which one of the two she is. Furthermore she is one of the only two people that know about Weyland on board and the other one is an Android. Lastly there is really no motive for her to be on a dangerous space trip so far away, considering she would be basically the heiress to the Weyland empire if she was actually his daughter, which means she would have stayed home and enjoy all what her position would offer). So it's possible one identifies with David as well as he does have many human/humanlike personality traits. That doesn't make a case for David being Scott's avatar though.
Basically, David is representative of alot of atheism qualities. He obviously sees no use in tradition(family/parents which he expressed he'd want dead), or someone above him in hierarchy(in which God is obviously at the top), so he wants to make off with it, so he can "feel free" and be a God himself(cumulatively with Alien Covenant, David basically does what he wants, and isn't questioned by anyone cause there is none there with enough authority to do that, so he also plays "Creator/Maker" with his eugenics).
Could've been first comment, but watched the whole video first
You deformed humanity forever.
Thanks
Daniel Van congrats your the first person to not make a hateful comment about this video
Kroft talks about Movies never give in to those jerks
Daniel Van ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu kill em
I’m running this at two times speed with absolutely no problems lmao
Usually in order to create, I have first to clean up the mess from my last creating session.
The Narrator sounds Fitter, Happier, More Productive
That's driven into frozen winter shit.
Its not hard to see that the population David killed looked very different from the engineers we saw in Prometheus, and that the city they lived didn't look very evolved, I mean, there's no way that people have technology to build spaceships, maybe. That plus the amount of respect you can see from them when the ship with david arisen, you can see a lot of respect from the people. Maybe what the engineers did to create life on earth, was done too in this planet, so they are not the very same people, but yes they have mutual respect. I guess the biggest mistery would be to what happened to the engineers in prometheus. Its looks pretty solid to say they were attacked, but from what? I don't think it's xenomorphs. It has to be something else.
Lars Tiussi maybe it was Predators;-) but on a more serious note, in a hidden scene there are several other spacecraft on that planet meaning they did have advanced technology btw
It looked like their experiment got loose and killed them all to me at least it did.
Lars Tiussi yes their eyes was oike human but engineers have big black eyes
Lars Tiussi in every single science fiction literature movie cartoon made there's always a sect of religious zealots religious leaders or group of people that live in monasteries temples we have rocket ships we have Internet we're messing with quantum physics and quantum entanglement we teleported data to space yet in the same country we have people with no electricity using outhouses
Sorry to answer you sooooooo late, but in the film (Alien Covenant) you can see like a garage like of a lot of spaceships ( a lot.. Like some.) on the road when David guide the survivors to his home !
Why the f*** would anyone give this movie a thumb down? Thank you for your marvellous work, Kroft.
What music is used in your backgrounds?
is the guy narrating this on downers or some shit?
greg finn seems to be a trend.
Listen at 1.5 speed.
Xans
James O'Blivion how
Up with the resolution settings and caption options, there should be a playback speed setting. I've found it very useful for UA-camrs whose content I enjoy, but who speak very slowly.
Don't listen to people who asks to talk faster mate. English is my second language and your speed make it easier to understand. Keep up the good work. :)
dgrtg dgrtg it’s not the speed that makes it incessant. It’s the monotonous drolling on, devoid of any inflection that would lend itself to coherent speech. Listening to this is like reading a long essay with no punctuation of any sort or attempts to even separate ideas into paragraphs.
Love this dudes voice, only person on youtube not trying to speed talk
On the contrary tries to speak as slow as possible Booooring
What is the song playing in these videos?
I thought he wiped the engineers “other creations,” which is why we see them rush out of the temple and get excited & praise the return of their creators. I thought the reason david did this was to use their DNA and the DNA of humans/facehuggers to create something to destroy the engineers
Had similar thoughts
I paused the video and read the summary. Somehow, this still caused me to see the video faster than it would have taken unpaused. Oo
David would identify himself as a sentient entity who is capable of expressing-if not feeling-emotion. You can see the tears swelling in his eyes as he destroys the Engineers. David's appreciation of human art is his desire to experience emotions and explore his own secrets. He carries around with him a great "Shadow" as explained by Swiss psychiatrist and psychoanalyst Carl Jung. David's "Shadow" was "Human" and his actions explain the struggle between his human and synthetic forms. Where we find ourselves I leave to you.
interested explaining through the video
Those being killed were definitely not engineers
ieyasu kreia some kind of degenerate sub class.
@@mrtappyasmr7702 Director said it was another race created by engineers as they live in another galaxy, if we ever get prometheus 2 we'll probably see David reaching engineers planet.
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Another galaxy?
That's is impossible even to science fiction.
*Another star system.
@@emanueldelacruz1101 Not impossible, there are many galaxies in the universe. The Milky Way is the galaxy we're located in but there are many others. I'm not sure if Engineers had the technology to travel between galaxies though.
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Andromeda (the nearest galaxy to our own) is just too far away. Forget it.
There is a line between science fiction and fantasy.
Best line in alien covenant “He trusted me!” David is such an awesome character that he decided to embrace the most badass alien ever just to see it flawlessly enact it’s own nature. In a way he sees life forms that are truly themselves as the most complete species because they, unlike humans, know what there purpose is. David is a direct result of humans not knowing there own purpose, so he admires a species that accomplishes there purpose in the most efficient way possible with the best tools available. He sees xenomorphs as the organisms that best accomplish life’s greatest questions of “ Why am I here?” “ What is my purpose?”. David was designed to answer these questions. He found his answer.
He is such a well written and designed character that it is a shame that he is surrounded by characters who are lacking depth and development. Once I began rooting for David and began considering him the protagonist of the movies I found Prometheus and alien covenant so much more enjoyable and rewarding. Thank you Fassenbender for bringing such a complex and awe inspiring character to life with absolutely brilliant acting.
You were rooting for space hitler ? Bro?
Amen! Thank you!!
Agree with you though David was definitely the best part about this film
Interesting, liked the slow speed.
What's the music in the background?
The reason is Ridley has gone senile...
I mean the first engineer he met did rip his head off. I might carry a grudge too if i survived that
When release next part?
Great interpretation!
i just don't understand how covenant got past THE FUCKING PAPER SHREDDER !?! Its not a continuation of a story or even a good story on its own. its a fuckibg vacuum of a story .
I fell asleep when I heard the narrator's voice ...
That’s like the coolest story I’ve ever heard. Can you pass along some more nuggets of wisdom for the rest of us to soak up?
I think another subtle programming of David was to somehow free human kind of their creators. In the beginning of Covenant he is asked to play the piano ,his pops gave him the author and David choose the song. It was something like Gods entering Walhalla. Wich is kinda ironic because that's what he did he wiped out engineers sending them to "walhalla" and this after he learned the true colors of This species . I think David is found of humans because of belief. It fascinated him and he understood this importance from his father the importance of belief and he saw the beauty of belief in Shawn and maybe he chose to believe in humans giving them something back after he gain freedom and went off into space playing god,mimicking humans and engineers. It is a loop and I hope David doesn't choose to end the loop.
I'm tired of Hollywood always telling us that humans are horrible and destructive and deserve being wiped out. Human beings are the most amazing animals ever to walk this planet.
The whole reason I subbed to your channel was to hear you say "black gooo"
You can do that without subbing, your comment is completely pointless
Michael Fassbender is phenomenal. He's my favorite part of these movies.
You should anounce a movie or sports event sometime . You got a good voice.
Is Alien covenant here available on youtube yet?
Seriously, when ever I hear Ridley talk I think ... someone pass him the Burbon already ... guy sounds like he's always drunk or not paying attention.
Also, the video is best enjoyed with 1.25-1.5 speed.
Your voice needs more covfefe......
Wayde Swann I don't get it...... why is this funny? And has so many likes ? The joke must have gone over my head.
Covfefe is a Trumpism
set video speed on 1.25
I can understand your accent just fine qnd appreciate all your hard work!
Tenho uma pergunta como se chama essa música de fundo que está tocando eu gostei...poderia falar o nome por favor...