Database Tech: AMD blocks Nvidia?, Xbox closes Baldur's gate 3, Stagnating GPU market & more
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
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0:00 intro
0:32 AMD Blocks Nvidia DLSS2 from Starfield?
13:42 Xbox increases consoles and Game pass Pricing
19:50 Xbox stops Baldur's Gate 3 due to Series S Memory issues on split screen
30:55 RTX4060 fails to impress and the issue of 8GB VRAM
39:13 RETRO NEWS: On this month in 1983 ZX Spectrum had a big Price drop
47:40 Patron Q1: What is PBR vs Non PBR in games?
55:54 Why is shader and traversal stutter suddenly a big problem?
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Never apologise for dropping an hour-long banger, it's hardly an inconvenience to listen to. Super informative stuff.
"I'm sorry I made your favorite pizza larger than usual and accidentally made it a double-cheese"
I appreciate that!
It's always so nice to come here and find the perspective you've been lacking elsewhere. Thanks.
There were idiots pushing XBSS, the 1080Pers on a 24 inch screen at 144 hz wanted a cheap gaming PC. Microsoft obliged listening to the wrong crowd, and now they have a mess. Hard to push next gen when you must design your games around last gen memory constraints. 4K doesn't take up as much memory as people think, I think it's just under 1 GB. 4K textures is a different story, but just a small part of it. If you design your game around 9 GBs of word and animation, sound, and object data, this is before graphical options are applied. It could not run XBSS, you would have to subdivide levels, optimize the hell out of streaming, and or have mid level loading. Because of this, I'm guessing games from MS themselves will be designed around 5-6GBs max. Third party developers who design their games around 7-10 GBs before graphics are applied will struggle getting the games to run on XBSS. I said it when it was announced, saying it again, XBSS will hold back XBSX and it has.
I absolutely love this video and would love to see more of these longer format videos in the future.
Good to know thanks. Views are very low though so maybe not something that has landed well as yet.
Really enjoy your videos and agree with your assessment with the Starfield/AMD partnership reaction.
Glad to hear it!
I feel like I have a much better understanding of PBR materials, thank you! I also enjoyed the answer to the shader/traversal stutter question, it’s fascinating the way that consoles effect PC and how their dedicated decompression block + fast NVMe (on PS5, which is the market leader) can lead to such problems for gamers on PC when coupled with the shift over to DX12. I love the idea about using AI to play through a game once for each hardware configuration in order to develop a shader cache.
I personally prefer to use DF's "shader butler"...
@@XYZ-pm3ju Lol, it reminded me of that also.
The Series S was a mistake. They should have just made a Series X without the disc drive.
The Series S clause ties developers' hands, and with 3rd parties they're beginning to think aloud "why bother with the Series consoles at all". Imagine if back in the day, Commodore would only allow a game on the C64 if developers made a Vic20 parity version?
Blocking competition is bad, yes? Then why not come out and say we're not doing it. I don't care for the technical or logistical details of either upscaler, I just wanna know if AMD is blocking DLSS. They just won't deny it.
is nvidia that is blocking amd from benefiting from dlss. so why should money be spend in putting in your competitors exclusive software that give you no benefit.
Completely agree and thought the exact same thing regarding merketing deal clauses stipulating no mention of competing platforms prior to launch also applying to AMD vs Nvidia. Its common in game announcments/ reveals at platform events & game marketing deals, likely the case here 👊🏼❤️. As for the Series S, definitely a low barrier to entry to attract gamepass subs, without much consideration for its impact on game development - because, lets face it, gamepass lessens that as a priority. Its quantity, not quality. Great vid NXG!!
Yeah, getting marketing rights is nothing new. The problem here is the "orchestrated' backlash on it seems to have hinderd AMDs Brand more than helped it, which is a shame.
@NXGamer yes sir! Can't say I'm surprised Michael mate, we are living world where suddenly the norm - such as parity clauses and right of first refusal clauses - are viewed as criminal. How DARE a company protect their marketing and contributory investments from predatory undercutting! AMD should totally be giving Nvidia free advertisement! 😂🤦♂️. The world's losing it mate. However I agree that the outright locking out of Nvidia would be wrong. But I just can't see that being the case here. I'll gladly take the L if I'm wrong tho! Thanks always for being a voice of reason brother
I'm not shedding any tears over Nvidia's proprietary DLSS solution that doesn't benefit consoles or older cards (which benefit from upscaling the most) not being supported in AMD titles. We need to push for open standards and the fact that RTX 3000 owners like myself will need to wait for FSR 3 for frame-gen support says everything.
What? AMD wrote a check so we could have less options. Dunno what kind of corporate kool-aid you have been drinking lolololol
@@EmperorOfMan not corporate kool-aid, open source kool-aid. We all benefit from open standards and tech over the long term
Exactly I am all for amd blocking nvidias proprietary bs software. time for team green to compete on a level playing field of hardware without RTX exclusive gimmics
This is such a dumb argument. Including DLSS does not take away from FSR existing for everybody that can't use DLSS.
@@MGsubbie the fact your butthurd that dlss in not included defeates your own statement it does matter its time you leared you get better value from buying red over green and you dont need jensens gimmick to enjoy the game
Another great video. I remember my Vic20 very fondly. Keep up the good work. Love these Database videos.
Cheers David, I loved that machine and I really have fond memories of the entire 8-bit era and the wonder it opened up for us and just how exciting it was.
@@NXGamer Definitely. Really exciting times. I had a Speccy too but never has a C64. My uncle had one though and for me it was the music that blew me away. Rob Hubbard could really make than thing sing. I loved Commando in particular
Great video thanks, loved the retro bit.
Great to hear and glad it hits well with parts of the audience, will continue this moving forward.
£349 in 1983 is £1,128 today according to the bank of England.
Jesus, things really have gone up haven't they since the "good old days"
Thanks
I agree that blocking the implementation of DLSS is a bad move that benefits no one (least of all AMD with all the negative press around it). With that said, I just don't feel that upset when I see a game opt for only FSR support. Certainly DLSS looks a bit better, but the lack of it isn't something that really impacts my experience of a game in the same way that other technical shortcomings like traversal or shader stutters, or botched mouse input would. FSR is firmly in the realm of "good enough", and I'd much rather be stuck with it than have only dlss that doesn't run on the devices that need it most like steam deck, or older pascal era GPUs. Hopefully radeon can stop putting it's foot in its mouth for once, and the news cycle can move on to something more interesting.
Brilliant video, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
Recently picked up a copy of The Order 1886 on your recommendation. A spectacular looking game, and it's a shame resolution and framerate are locked to PS4 levels, even on PS5. That game certainly didn't deserve a lot of the hare it received a the time. It moved the needle in a lot of interesting ways - shame we'll never see a sequel
The game was a technical marvel but little else. People found it boring and a bit too short hence why it got dunked on
Thank you 👍
i rather get ps4 digital over siries s lol
i think people can get 500 gb ssd is chepaer option if they want more space for series s then getting new series s for 500 more gb space
Forbidden forest brings back memories.aztec challenge and quo vardis too.
Totally agree with the double standards thing. im sure DLSS will eventually come to Starfield, offical comment about blocking it hasnt even been made, and again even if it had... its normal.
I personally think PBR materials is what made the biggest difference in the look of 8th generation games vs 7th generation games. It really changed how those games look and brought a far more realistic look to them. Not sure how PBR would have changed the look of 7th gen games if the technology had come around in 2006 in gaming vs 2012-2013.
Once again I am glad people are refusing to buy nvidia's bad GPUs. This is how I like seeing the market as Nvidia can't just put out one of the worst GPU generations in a long time and expect people to just gobble them up. AMD too isn't helping. This was their chance to come in and kick Nvidia like the did with Intel when they released Ryzen. Instead AMD just sat around and became Nvidia light and didn't take the opportunity to take advantage of all the bad press Nvidia has gotten. This has to be one of the few times I am actually really excited for what Intel can do. Not only do they have pretty close RT perrformance but they even have a pretty good upscaler. XeSS is actually pretty close to DLSS in quality despite some of it's issues.
I only wish the whole 40 series was as good as the 4090 was in a performance jump. I love the efficiency jump Nvidia made as the 40 series in especially laptops has made some pretty major leaps in efficiency that should be congradulated. However pricing is garbage and VRAM is lacking. There's no reason why a 3060 should be able to out perform the 4060. When the VRAM limit isn't hit the 4060 is slightly ahead but as soon as that VRAM limit is hit it drops to similar if not worse performance than the 3060.
I have complained when games release with no FSR but DLSS. I want all releases to have FSR, DLSS, and XeSS for upscaling tech. It's useful to have and will be nice for anyone looking to have better performance without sacrificing much image quality.
I do like these longer videos as it's nice to get more information on all the topics you want to cover.
Is this database tech video available as a podcast?
Not as yet but I am looking at options, happy yo take suggestions that are popular/free?
How long do you think it'll be before we ditch expensive hardware and switch to streaming our games as the main 'format'? 5-10 years maybe?
Don’t forget that Intel was 3 years late from when they originally said they were going to release the a770
That is true, and they certainly had big issues at launch, mostly drivers, but still a great start for sure in that space.
Developers don't pay Nvidia to add DLSS to their games and they don't need to give Nvidia access to their code. The SDK is free and available to anyone, hence modders and emulator developers integrating it themselves.
The only difference being closed source makes is that the implementation ships as a precompiled DLL instead of source code. Considering machine learning algorithms are, by nature, black boxes there wouldn't be any use in letting developers tweak it anyway.
If you are shipping a commercial product, you do. The modding community do a great job, but they are not one in the same.
E. G. Swapping a DLL (which is just a hook into the code already present to use new functions, as per the original design) is not even modding in reality. It requires no code review, compilation, etc. This is true and possible since forever, including wrappers such as we had in the late 90s when 3D accelerators landed.
The other mod, adding in DLSS where non exists is more involved, required hooks into the games TAA system, buffers, motion vectors etc. And this is more work, but the people doing this are also programmers, likely have access to the SDK and more importantly, Nvidia Does not stop them as it helps them and the brand, infact quite the opposite is true.
But none of this is open source, Nvidia is not open source on any of its features, game works, Drivers, DLSS are all black box solutions. And the reality is working with Nvidia is more expensive, timely than rolling your own or using FSR which Is open source. I am sure for most medium to bug teams implementing either is not a huge deal, I said that in this video. But development is always more than just the technical aspects of it, the logistics, optics, commercials and more all come into it. See above.
Thanks
@@NXGamer Nvidia requires an agreement for shipping a commercial product with DLSS/GameWorks, notably to ensure the EULA is at least as restrictive as Nvidia's. Charging developers or demanding sensitive information would be counterproductive given their proliferation is intended to sell Nvidia hardware.
Open or Closed Source makes no difference unless the developer wants to change the implementation, it does not make them easier to integrate. Developers are already using closed source implementations of Vulkan/D3D graphics APIs from Nvidia and AMD, the DLSS SDK effectively extends those.
@@faustianblur1798 I am confused as you have just said what I said, which is Nvidia is more involved and expensive than AMD. The % delta may not be massive but it is present, and most of the contacts are based on relative return. So bigger studios will have a larger impact on that contract rate.
Effectively the deals may mean that Nvidia charge nothing and even help with development. But they may have exclusive marketing rights, optimise engine for Nvidia hardware etc. The difference between them is dealing with AMD aids Starfield across 2/3rds of the market, whereas with Nvidia the 1/3rd could negatively impact the other 2.
@@NXGamer "If you are shipping a commercial product, you do." Implies that a commercial developer needs to pay Nvidia and provide the source for their game, which is the opposite of what my comment said. There's no reason for Nvidia to charge developers and no evidence that they do. Most developers will be used to dealing with middleware solutions, so any added cost of ensuring their licence is inline with Nvidia's requirements should be negligible.
No one is suggesting developers should support DLSS or XeSS instead of FSR. Integrating any one of these solutions lays the ground work for the other two. What little cost there is to integrate DLSS after FSR is tiny and allows them to much better serve 1/3rd of the PC market (a number which will only grow faster as cross-gen development stops).
What happened at 48:33?
Couldn't the devs use the slower ram and dedicate tasks in RAM that don't need fast bandwidth? I've heard some devs describe using slower ram for stuff like audio or whatever, reserving the faster stuff for other necessary tasks. Is that accurate or not really feasible for most devs?
If single modder can do a "rogue" implementation of DLSS3 in games that do not suport it then surely big dev teams can do it at a (relatively) negligible cost. Especially in engines such as UE, using plugins.
why support nividas greed. they could have chosen to make dlss an open standard that all gamers could benefit from instead of a hairworks prop to push sales of inflated 30 series prices
@@charlesballiet7074 why support AMD greed by accepting cutting gamers from the best upscaling technology?
DLSS is not even available on all nvidia hardware, so what evidence you have that it could be open standard that would work on all GPUs? If that were true, then FSR would not be so evidently inferior to DLSS. If FSR matches DLSS in both quality and performance then I'll believe that DLSS did not need to be exclusive to RTX series cards.
Both companies are run by greed. Neither AMD nor Nvidia are your friend.
@@SimplexPL because its actually nvidia that is the one not allowing amd to use their software and thus blocking gamers from benifiting.
If DLSS was an open standard I shure it would be implemented. but you cant ask a competitor to spend $$$$ supporting an exclusive competitors feature. thats not how capitalism works.
IF you want all of gaming to be good then you should support the company that backs open source software solutions everyone can use. the olny people losing are RTX buyers and those people need to lose to learn their lesion that paying top dollar to team greed is not the way to benefit gaming as a whole it just furthers the manoloply that is hurting gamers wallets eveywhere. and if you dont believe me then rewatch the video the op explains it
@@SimplexPL To add to that point. XeSS is superior to FSR too and that has a mode excusive to Intel cards as well.
@@crestofhonor2349 thanks, forgot about that
I just cannot believe time and time again Sony out smarts Microsoft. Ps5 for $400 and add $100 if you want a 4K blue ray player. While Xbox creates a series of consoles that devs cannot even bring next gen games to.
Do you think we need more than 16gb of system RAM for future PC games? Or is it just that the last of us part 1 and howart legacy are bad ports.
I think 16GB is the minimum for now, but we may see games requiring more this generation.
"Those are the games that kicked the generation off". Do you forget Killzone Shadow Fall, the best looking launch title of the bunch?
I did not, but picked these 2 from a pure PBR level. Killzone was and remains a truly astounding launch title and was very impressive. But I think over the generation The Order 1886 has remained the most consistent and most industry leading of the previous generation.
@@NXGamer Ohhhhh sorry man I totally misconstrued your commentary haha! I'd argue the aggressive use of volumetrics, multiple bounce GI, and constant screen space effects held up better but yeah The Order 1886 looks astounding
I have series X from dayone. And i repeat: series S was huuuuuuge mistake.
Tbh I think fsr looks better, it just looks sharper
9:09 Multiple developers have come out and said that once you have integrated one form of upscaling, integrating the rest of them is very quick and easy to manage. Nvidia also has dedicated teams to help them implement DLSS, and with how big Starfield will be, they would have no problem helping Bethesda out. There really is no excuse to include FSR but not DLSS.
I agree, and I state that in this video, but also the fact that technical limits are not the only limits or reasons for decisions like this to be made.
I don't understand why everyone complains about the memory bandwidth/cache situation with the 40 series. AMD did the exact same thing with rdna 2 and everybody cheered on it.
I am all for amd blocking nvidias proprietary bs software. time for team greed to compete on a level playing field of hardware without RTX exclusive gimmics
man game consoles are such garbadge tier hardware
The fact that FSR works on nvidia cards actually hurts AMD in my opinion. Not only is DLSS a better solution, but you dont miss out on the main competing technology either with an RTX card, and you get better RT performance.
hence why I am all for amd blocking nvidias proprietary bs software. time for team greed to compete on a level playing field of hardware without RTX exclusive gimmics. Its not right for AMD to put money into a competitors software when they get no benefit.
FSR had to be open source or it would fail. Radeon is a tiny manority of the DGPU market so devs would have little incentive to implement it without intervention from AMD. So while it's good that it works on all cards/consoles and APU's it also means it's not going to benefit from hardware acceleration and machine learning technologies which have proven themselves to be superior. I wish FSR was as good as DLSS or XeSS, than we could just use FSR but it isn't. It's ok at 4K but the more you drop from 4K it falls apart.
@@TerraWare I hope you enjoy the gaming experience of every amd and intell buyer on the market. its time you learned that you can enjoy the game perfectly well without jensens gimmicks