@@ohhellwhereami2574 GER can be beaten by WOU, D4C love train and S&W Go Beyond. Since GER can't revert incidents or accidents, or, say, an object being thrown at it, Wonder of U would kill GER easily. D4C Love Train reflects damage to other dimensions, but worse. If you punch the Love Train, you have a really small risk of losing that hand or getting a fatal wound. D4C would be likely to try punching GER, running back into the Love Train, and manage to make GER kill.... Uhmm... Himself? Itself? Whatever. GER would die because of the damage redirection of the Love Train whilst trying to barrage. Soft and Wet Go Beyond summons a bubble which basically evaporates everything and is not seen by physics, so it technically doesn't exist, but it does. GER would probably try using Return to Zero, but because it doesn't really exist, that'd make no difference, if I'd guess.
Not even [Wonder of U] can defeat this since the whole point of that stand is that you MUSTN'T get closer to it and Toyohiro wouldn't want anything to do with it.
@Benito675 probably not, I'm assuming the objects have to be physical matter, or take up some form of space if you get what I meam. I could be wrong tho
Goku: "Hey it's me Goku! Wanna fight? I'll have you know that I'm the strongest being in fiction..." Toyohiro: "Okay sure, just step under my sta- I mean this transmission tower... Ya, just do that and we'll fight!" Goku: "Alrighty then!" Toyohiro: *Steps out of the transmission tower. "Oops I win."
@@bananabanana484 even with a teleport, goku still turned into metal. the point of the stand is that you stuck in there forever and cant get out at all cost
Chili pepper was so fucking strong, high range, high speed, precision, and power (as long as theres enough energy) Like, if you lived in New York or Hong Kong or something you're literally invincible
I was gonna say Valentine could easily just get a new version of him, or have two of him on the same universe, and sacrifice that one. But I then remembered Valentine needs to be inbetween two solid objects to actually activate his stand power.
It depends, if it works like Hanged Man then it can use the reflection from the steel beams, but we only ever seen Man in the Mirror be inside a mirror and it's shards, then again there were no other places to reflect in where they fought besides their valuable and it has to be big enough to trap a person I wonder if reflections of a stand can even work the same way as a normal mirror, or if Superfly will just reflect the damage like normal
Just a thought I had right now: if I throw a grenade at Superfly, does it just take the damage or does it revert the damage back into the grenade, making the explosion more powerful?
If you really think about it, there’s a lot of stands who would neg basically every other stand, like Tohth. IT WEAPONIZES FATE ITSELF. THE SECOND YOU DIE IN THAT BOOK YOURE DONE. YOUR ENTIRE LIFE IS AT THE MERCY OF THE BOOK AND THE USER.
That’s kind of what’s interesting about Tohth, it’s literally just a book. It tells the user what *will* happen if steps X, Y, and Z are followed. The only way to possibly avoid the prediction is if the wrong person screws up their part of the script, like Hol Horse shooting 5 minutes too late.
The book doesn't control fate, it just illustrates it. So no, you aren't at the mercy of the book, you're at the mercy of fate, just like literally everyone else.
@@Wattson19 So… is the book part of fate or fate part of the book? This is kind of a paradox situation They’re fated to look at the book, but then they follow the steps towards the book, which tells them a *fate.* But at the same time, would *that* be fated as well? Are they creating another fate entirely? There’s a few stands now that directly change fate on the spot, so what’s saying they don’t? I’m pretty sure it moreso takes a few key points from the original fate and erases every other moment, filling them in as the new fate is created. It couldn’t have possibly been illustrating fate since it was “wrong” when a character did the steps incorrectly.
@@mendovulsno, he “giorno explains king crimson” thing explains flame pretty well In Jojo, fate isn’t soem illusory thing, it’s an actual thing that exists as a rule, like gravity. There is no way to change fate, it is already deceided, like a video tape, you can play it forwards or back but no matter what, fate is destined to happen.
@@ngkai9571I think the ability only applies if you try to go out of the range of the tower IN THAT DIMENSION, so long as Valentine moves to another whilw staying within the tower he'll be fine.
There was a similar argument about this with Goku & Instant Transmission and the conclusion seemed to be: “it depends on wether you turn to metal because you crossed the boundary specifically or you turn to metal because you exited the tower in general.” So if it’s the former then Valentine can escape, but if it’s the latter then Valentine’s frozen solid in another dimension
Hold on... Doesn't Valentine has the ability to just... Make more of himself? Just trap one of his alternate selves in here, and all's done and dusted. ...I mean, granted, that's if Valentine *KNEW* about Superfly's abilities, but...
It is shown in the video that he got the full "getting out alone punishmen" in less than a second, so he would be fucked if not for the fact that the user got him back in
@@MomazosDoritosI don't think Valentine would be dumb enough to try "unga bunga brute force" ing his way out of the tower, he'd probably bring in another Superfly user and ask them what the ability does.
@@thunderspark1536if the clone he summons is just another superfly user, wouldn't travelling to another universe just kill the clone because of the stands ability?
@@ToastBandit. That is actually a good question. And funny too. He tries pull in a user they turn to metal in front of him and he has no idea what the hell is going on. If he goes to a different dimension he also gets turned to metal... Superfly is not a good match up for him.
yes he feccin can. even unconsciously with his own wet blood (josuke can mainly do stuff to dried blood, not rly wet blood that's out of proximity [manga-only] love that foreshadowing to what he does to kira)
Hypothetically, since he's capable of controlling the tower since that's his stand, he could in theory break it down into other metal structures, or surround himself with pieces almost making it a suit of sorts, although the strength of Superfly is that it's a big ass tower, Toyo could technically do something like that EDIT: I have remembered that he cannot DIRECTLY control superfly
The one thing I didn't get is why the alien didn't just go in then let josuke leave then he himself leave, encurring the curse and then he just shapeshifts back into his normal form, ezpz
SUPERFLY: CELLPHONE RECEPTION. -Besides the tower working as a hotspot, what do you think the stand arrow would give it? Reflection of damage being a timed multiplier, so it'll double [or triple or-] the attack received when it tosses it back? It can trap multiple people inside the tower? It has a longer range, thus more space to hang out under the tower? It becomes even more defensive somehow?
Araki may have said that no other character of his could have beaten Wonder of U, but he's also said his memory is terrible. If nothing else, he's clearly forgotten that Bohemian Rhapsody contains every fictional character ever. It would be downright hubristic to claim that you were the most powerful in that situation, so it's a good thing that nobody thinks he was knowingly doing so.
Funny Valentine After failing his escape for the 1923847th Time: ¡¡RELEASE MEE!!..........¡¡¡¡REEELEEEEEASEEEEEE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! And just like Diavolo this is probabily Canon thanks to the Infinite Death Spin of Tusk4
I like to imagine even if Valentine tried to dimension-hop out from Super Fly the stand would still have his ass encased in metal, such being the nature of the stand that you can NOT leave.
That's actually one of the abilities that Kars would have serious trouble with, if we take the assumption that Kars can manifest any stand because he has all the powers of life on Earth. Superfly actually works just as much against its user as it does other people, so even replicating the powers of Superfly is still going to leave him stuck in the tower.
valentine instantly turning into metal has the same energy as the daffy duck toothpaste commercial bit, and I can't get enough of it
LMAO
"I saw someone do this in a toothpaste ad once."
@@calicobagels"Tadaaa!!"
@@calicobagelsah yes finally i not see this pinky suit guy finallyyy
*dies*
Not if my Diamond is Unbreakable.
Not if my stardust is crusader.
Not if my battle is tendency
not if my phantom is blood.
Not if my phantom is blood
Not if my Steel Ball is Running
Average stand user vs weakest overhead powerline connoissuer
Fun thing about jojo is that anyone can beat anyone. The person just need to be smart
G3R
@@ohhellwhereami2574 GER can be beaten by WOU, D4C love train and S&W Go Beyond. Since GER can't revert incidents or accidents, or, say, an object being thrown at it, Wonder of U would kill GER easily. D4C Love Train reflects damage to other dimensions, but worse. If you punch the Love Train, you have a really small risk of losing that hand or getting a fatal wound. D4C would be likely to try punching GER, running back into the Love Train, and manage to make GER kill....
Uhmm...
Himself?
Itself?
Whatever. GER would die because of the damage redirection of the Love Train whilst trying to barrage.
Soft and Wet Go Beyond summons a bubble which basically evaporates everything and is not seen by physics, so it technically doesn't exist, but it does. GER would probably try using Return to Zero, but because it doesn't really exist, that'd make no difference, if I'd guess.
@ohhellwhereami2574
Yoshihiro's Atom Heart Father be like:
"📸 oops, you're stuck"
So the guy with the guilt locks could beat DIO if he was smart enough?
@@jacobc9221 i mean, just make him guilty enough to stop time, throw knives and walk into his own knives
Toyohiro: "When I said I would love to beat the American president, I was referring to Clinton, but you sure will serve me right..."
Based Toyohiro
Toyohiro’s unstoppable digression live radio.
Not even [Wonder of U] can defeat this since the whole point of that stand is that you MUSTN'T get closer to it and Toyohiro wouldn't want anything to do with it.
Toyohiro could just have a Locacaca plantation inside and Toru can't do anything about it XD
The battle of the 'stay back' stands. All we need is Green Baby too.
“You’re approaching me?”
“No”
Plus the guy would have no reason to go after him since well….
XD it's be funny @@ItsChevnotJeff
Valentine could've won if he brought the rock inside with him to travel dimensions and get clones with 😔
Now he has to strip to escape the stand.
@@justinn8541akaDrPokemonOr just throw a piece of grass in the air cause apparently as long as he's between ANY two things he can move between em.
@@thunderspark1536does that mean he could just go in between the air particles and vanish?
@Benito675 probably not, I'm assuming the objects have to be physical matter, or take up some form of space if you get what I meam.
I could be wrong tho
idk i think he used water once but im not sure@@mralexander4209
Superfly User: LEAVE!!!!!!!!!
President fights hobo and loses.
Goku: "Hey it's me Goku! Wanna fight? I'll have you know that I'm the strongest being in fiction..."
Toyohiro: "Okay sure, just step under my sta- I mean this transmission tower... Ya, just do that and we'll fight!"
Goku: "Alrighty then!"
Toyohiro: *Steps out of the transmission tower. "Oops I win."
Bro is not the strongest in fiction
@@fenrizz-bo3rd"Nah, I'd solo." ---Goku
I mean, Goku can teleport. But it would be funny if he just tricks Goku into walking out again
Vegito could survive being transformed into candy,so goku should be able to survive being transformed into metal.
@@bananabanana484 even with a teleport, goku still turned into metal. the point of the stand is that you stuck in there forever and cant get out at all cost
I swear, Morioh has the most Broken Stands Ever.
It’s not a crazy noisy bizarre town for no reason
Also Morioh: "weird feet stand is real and it is coming for you"
It's not broken, it just has its rules. Break the rules, you lose.
Chili pepper was so fucking strong, high range, high speed, precision, and power (as long as theres enough energy)
Like, if you lived in New York or Hong Kong or something you're literally invincible
@@DaKingKaydenand practically regeneration too
OPM fans staring in shock as Saitama gets impaled on his chest because of a fucking transmission tower
FINALLY I WAIT SO LONG FOR THIS KIND OF VIDEO 💀💀💀
I was gonna say Valentine could easily just get a new version of him, or have two of him on the same universe, and sacrifice that one.
But I then remembered Valentine needs to be inbetween two solid objects to actually activate his stand power.
He could just bury himself but hed just be under a different superfly when he switches probs
I mean, he could be having an american flag with him all the time
Some Jojo-esk roundabout solution would be that he takes his shirt off and uses that to escape 💀
Literally just uses his jacket for that. Idk why you jojofans are so brainrotted that can't even come up with basic and rational solutions
Bro be like: Fuck "interact with society". I'm not gonna pay taxes
Next question- can Man in the Mirror replace Superfly?
It depends, if it works like Hanged Man then it can use the reflection from the steel beams, but we only ever seen Man in the Mirror be inside a mirror and it's shards, then again there were no other places to reflect in where they fought besides their valuable and it has to be big enough to trap a person
I wonder if reflections of a stand can even work the same way as a normal mirror, or if Superfly will just reflect the damage like normal
Superfly is incredibly underrated
Just a thought I had right now: if I throw a grenade at Superfly, does it just take the damage or does it revert the damage back into the grenade, making the explosion more powerful?
Probably bounces kinetic force all over the place in an absolute mess of physics that would turn anyone inside into utter mush.
Wonder how strong it would be if you add more steel beams
dont you mean GALVANIZED SQUARE STEEL?????
If you really think about it, there’s a lot of stands who would neg basically every other stand, like Tohth.
IT WEAPONIZES FATE ITSELF.
THE SECOND YOU DIE IN THAT BOOK YOURE DONE.
YOUR ENTIRE LIFE IS AT THE MERCY OF THE BOOK AND THE USER.
That’s kind of what’s interesting about Tohth, it’s literally just a book. It tells the user what *will* happen if steps X, Y, and Z are followed. The only way to possibly avoid the prediction is if the wrong person screws up their part of the script, like Hol Horse shooting 5 minutes too late.
@@pixeldreams5193It's unstoppable if you have good timing.
The book doesn't control fate, it just illustrates it. So no, you aren't at the mercy of the book, you're at the mercy of fate, just like literally everyone else.
@@Wattson19 So… is the book part of fate or fate part of the book?
This is kind of a paradox situation
They’re fated to look at the book, but then they follow the steps towards the book, which tells them a *fate.*
But at the same time, would *that* be fated as well?
Are they creating another fate entirely?
There’s a few stands now that directly change fate on the spot, so what’s saying they don’t?
I’m pretty sure it moreso takes a few key points from the original fate and erases every other moment, filling them in as the new fate is created.
It couldn’t have possibly been illustrating fate since it was “wrong” when a character did the steps incorrectly.
@@mendovulsno, he “giorno explains king crimson” thing explains flame pretty well
In Jojo, fate isn’t soem illusory thing, it’s an actual thing that exists as a rule, like gravity. There is no way to change fate, it is already deceided, like a video tape, you can play it forwards or back but no matter what, fate is destined to happen.
Damn wth valentine in the wrong dimension💀
Edit: Thx for 50 likes
Does superfly affects Valentine if he escapes to another dimension inside of it
Tbh if superfly is in that dimension then yes definetly yes. Valentine is affected by superfly if he exists in that dimension
@@ngkai9571I think the ability only applies if you try to go out of the range of the tower IN THAT DIMENSION, so long as Valentine moves to another whilw staying within the tower he'll be fine.
There was a similar argument about this with Goku & Instant Transmission and the conclusion seemed to be:
“it depends on wether you turn to metal because you crossed the boundary specifically or you turn to metal because you exited the tower in general.”
So if it’s the former then Valentine can escape, but if it’s the latter then Valentine’s frozen solid in another dimension
You dont gotta go back to society, you can find a bigger plot of land.
Hold on... Doesn't Valentine has the ability to just... Make more of himself? Just trap one of his alternate selves in here, and all's done and dusted.
...I mean, granted, that's if Valentine *KNEW* about Superfly's abilities, but...
It is shown in the video that he got the full "getting out alone punishmen" in less than a second, so he would be fucked if not for the fact that the user got him back in
@@MomazosDoritosI don't think Valentine would be dumb enough to try "unga bunga brute force" ing his way out of the tower, he'd probably bring in another Superfly user and ask them what the ability does.
@@thunderspark1536if the clone he summons is just another superfly user, wouldn't travelling to another universe just kill the clone because of the stands ability?
@@ToastBandit. That is actually a good question. And funny too. He tries pull in a user they turn to metal in front of him and he has no idea what the hell is going on. If he goes to a different dimension he also gets turned to metal... Superfly is not a good match up for him.
@@imafireingmylasar How funny?
Superfly is my favorite tower of gray
*0:13* WAIT WHY DO THE BURDS SING!?!!??!!
Wait, couldnt valentine just take someone from another universe to superfly and get out?
Or go to another universe probably? I don't think Superfly is a multi-universal stand that can track that kind of stuff
@@thunderspark1536I mean if he wanted to defeat the guy he could just do what I said
I am assuming he doesnt want to just get away
Proceeds to demonstrate it with ONE guy in whole Jojo who could and normally would hard counter it (except maybe FF)
Depends if the tower considered each individual plankton as seperate or not
1:32 i love this scene
I feel that on a personal level like hell no let me just chill in the middle of nowhere away from people
Toyohiro underrated fr fr, he showed up like once but was so cool when he did.
Should have used clones like the Diego fight or hoped it rained so he get betweenthe raindrops and ground.
This man manages to recreate stand effects so well while still making it a shitpost
0:02 this feels like a picnic
There must be no other place as beautiful as this town
what a beautiful DUWANG *chew*
toyohiro is the guy who unironically watches and copies the"little john has to renovate this 2.88m² room with galvanized square steel" videos
Electricity Tower is Unbreakable
1:22 IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE!!!
ZA WARUDO
Genuine question: (since I haven't watched/read part 4 in a long time, I can't recall) what happens if The Hand tries to just erase Super Fly?
He will get erased back since if anything or anyone attacks superfly. superfly will attack back with the same force and same attack
@@ngkai9571 Wow well that's op; I suppose no canon character can escape it then
@@z0ru4_ remember part 8.
@@ngkai9571 Are you considering Go Beyond?
@@z0ru4_Valentine, out of all characters, can
yes he feccin can.
even unconsciously with his own wet blood (josuke can mainly do stuff to dried blood, not rly wet blood that's out of proximity [manga-only] love that foreshadowing to what he does to kira)
The good endi- nvm
So if superfly gets hit with made in Heaven does it just rust away or does it last forever?
Oh shit it probably rusts
Let me put a SUN on top of your stand
Imagine Superfly sending back a gamma ray burst
The moment of realization when he mentioned society LMAO
Hypothetically, since he's capable of controlling the tower since that's his stand, he could in theory break it down into other metal structures, or surround himself with pieces almost making it a suit of sorts, although the strength of Superfly is that it's a big ass tower, Toyo could technically do something like that
EDIT: I have remembered that he cannot DIRECTLY control superfly
Introvert get stand in nutshell
Fun Fact Funny Valentine and Mikitaka have the same voice actor.
Ngl, the guy's first face was kinda hot
i always wonder where did he get the cooking tools and ingredients from
"A strange man coming out from a rock" caught me off guard 😂
Edit: Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
The one thing I didn't get is why the alien didn't just go in then let josuke leave then he himself leave, encurring the curse and then he just shapeshifts back into his normal form, ezpz
D4c clones itself if it gets stuck, and if valentine turns to stone, d4c chooses another valentine.
I loke how accurate toyohiro this toyohiro is to the original.
Came here so fast
I've been preaching this for years
Ok
Not if my requiem is golden experienced
The hand and superfly is hella op but the user is kinda .-.
He can be free forever with society
valentine could just bring in a clone and then leave
This gives soyjak vibes. I LOVE IT
0:11 A strange man emerges from that rock
Lol
This stand hard counters Made In Heaven
Bro could never beat Ungalo 🙄😤
Super Fly isn't so bad as people think. Sure it has only one ability but what if it got and upgrade from the stand arrow
SUPERFLY: CELLPHONE RECEPTION.
-Besides the tower working as a hotspot, what do you think the stand arrow would give it?
Reflection of damage being a timed multiplier, so it'll double [or triple or-] the attack received when it tosses it back?
It can trap multiple people inside the tower?
It has a longer range, thus more space to hang out under the tower?
It becomes even more defensive somehow?
Araki may have said that no other character of his could have beaten Wonder of U, but he's also said his memory is terrible. If nothing else, he's clearly forgotten that Bohemian Rhapsody contains every fictional character ever. It would be downright hubristic to claim that you were the most powerful in that situation, so it's a good thing that nobody thinks he was knowingly doing so.
Bohemian Rhapsody is also hard countered by the power of imagination & basic creative skills
Ger and wou sitting in the corner:
Superfly negs Goku
Does this mean he no longer has a stand?
Pls add turkish subtitles 🙏🙏
Funny Valentine After failing his escape for the 1923847th Time: ¡¡RELEASE MEE!!..........¡¡¡¡REEELEEEEEASEEEEEE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
And just like Diavolo this is probabily Canon thanks to the Infinite Death Spin of Tusk4
I'm terrified of society too
Chomp
cant the hand erase the tower
You can't leave without your buddy Superfly.
Actually Pucci could just take out his Superfly disc and be all good
THE GOAT POSTED
How to win against every stand
Step 1: Have Superfly
Can he beat kevin tho
Experience the world he says...
Jotaro did
so his stand is just isolated depression
everyone knows that superfly is the strongest stand
I like to imagine even if Valentine tried to dimension-hop out from Super Fly the stand would still have his ass encased in metal, such being the nature of the stand that you can NOT leave.
That or hed be under a different version of superfly
I love how you animate these comedic moments inti actual JoJo battle logic lol
Couldn't Valentine just teleport out?
He needs to cover himself with something to teleport. So unless he brings a flag or something. He’s trapped.
@@Loudencerstudios ahh thanks...
Valentine has done some wild shit before so id assume he could if hes able to locate a universe where super fly isnt in that exact spot
what a silly lil guy
If only the original Super Fly fight was as cool as this one
But it is...
If superfly is the stand then can other people without stands just see him floating
No there's tons of stands people can see, like the car stand or stray cat
@@edgarissilly ok thanks
valentine can bring people from au yk
Stop the cap
1:30 bro wanted go back the trap and he never Wanted for this
People really do underestimate Superfly
Theres no way funny Valentine is that doll 😂
I mean, theoretically Rohan could just write "I beat Superfly" with Heaven's Door, but Rohan refuses to use hack tactics.
He'd still need to catch the stand user, unless his powers can work on stands themselves.
Man had watched Joker the night prior.
THE ENDING GOT ME GOOD XD
Cheap Trick can beat anyone. 😊
Watching this made me forget Superfly’s ability, so now I have to look it up and relearn it
Finally a fellow Superfly truther
Okay, I thought Kars was back to earth and fight Toyohiro
That's actually one of the abilities that Kars would have serious trouble with, if we take the assumption that Kars can manifest any stand because he has all the powers of life on Earth. Superfly actually works just as much against its user as it does other people, so even replicating the powers of Superfly is still going to leave him stuck in the tower.
But can he beat my mea-