The Design Of: The Omega Seamaster Professional
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- A brief discussion surrounding the development of the Omega Seamaster professional and its history. A redesign is included at the end of the video. Note: I do not mention the Planet Ocean because I wanted the discussion to be solely around the original Seamaster.
i dont think it looks dated at all. to me it looks vintage-y now, and it has this 90's "zeitgeist" which is rather appealing. it's insanely beautiful i think...
Yeah where he said it looks dated now at 8:49, that's example is shot. The same watch at 5:09 looks fine.
Hi! I like your mock ups! It really gives your personal opinion on the designs. Good channel btw
The price difference is a big factor, more bang for your buck in Omega! Love the video.
The Planet Ocean is the more reverent modern homage to the 1950's and 60's Seamasters. The case lugs and numerals are much closer
You're right, It is, man. The problem that I have with it and the Pelagos is that they feel almost like course corrections (I also wish their cases were a bit less gigantic) That is a nice topic for a video thought, maybe I'll address the two watches and what they offer. Thank you for your comment!
IDGuy the Planet Ocean ref. 222.30.42.20.01.001 has it all: a slimmer case because of the 2500 Calibre, the most beautiful design for a modern diver and the liquid metal. It was a transitional watch made in a limited edition, but IMO the best they ever made. These are highly sought after.
@@ID-Guy Yes, Planet Ocean design video! Do it! :D
I’ve had the 2018 Omega SMP blue dial with bracelet for several months and I love it. New to this channel but I’ve just now subscribed and look forward to viewing more of your content.
Thank you Jeffrey! The new SMP is a stunning watch and is built to last. I'm actually so interested in seeing how well its going to hold up in the next fifty years. Also, thank you for subscribing! I appreciate it immensely, man
The skelton hands makes this stand out and unique bracelet design
0:43 the guy responsible was in fact Jean-Claude Biver, the visionary man that resurrected not only Omega, but other brands as well, starting with Blankpain, Hublot, TAG. What he did in this particular case, was to associate James Bond with the Omega, replacing Rolex. This proved to be a big challenge, that paid off big time, even today.
A Seamaster 300 that looks more like the original, with arrow hands, no crown guards, no escape valve, a co-axel movement, sapphire case back, and a 300m diving depth is also available from Omega in a variety of dial colours & materials etc. for anyone for whom the Diver 300 isn't their cup of tea..
I am happy that Omega did not use any of their old design in the SMP. If you want something that follows the traditional designs of old seamaster divers and arrow hands then buy the planet ocean or seamaster 300, not the SMP. The SMP has a distinct look and feel, completely different from anything else on the market. It takes time to appreciate the smp as I used to hate the skeleton hands, the He valve and the funky bezel and bracelet. But with time you start to love these design elements that you first did not like. The SMP has become a modern classic, an icon that is instantly recognizable. I could not imagine a SMP without for example the skeleton hands, scallop bezel and the tank tread bracelet, that would be blasphemy.
Exactly. All those things are what makes the SMP so unique.
Superb video!!!
Can you do an analysis of the Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra?
Absolutely Pat! I'll add that to my list and do an overview of the entire collection. Very nice suggestion and thank you for the comment!
I think the black variations of the 300m professional are underated as they are slightly harder to come across. Less ubiquitous, more versatile and perhaps a dark horse often being the "boring" variant.
Love the Blue though - who wouldn't. I think I just love the 300m. Simple as that.
Great Video, as always!
Proud owner of the SMP at 6:50! 8 years now!
Also the Bond watch in Casino Royale 😉
I don't feel it looks dated. Its timeless imo. Very iconic.
Thank you - excellent review. Like your mock-up & good point that they never should have strayed from the OG Omega indices
This is so interesting to me because what I love about this channel is how we have a conversation about what makes timepieces special to us. When we look at the modern Seamaster the connection to James Bond was always there. Growing up blasting countless hours on 007 Goldeneye was just part of my childhood. But it was never really a watch that caught my attention because as a young teenager my eyes were fixated on my father's timepieces where I only hoped someday I myself could possess a collection like his Rolex Presidential and Submariner pieces. To me the Seamster also appeared dated and at the time thought it wouldnt age well.
Moving forward to present day where now I am a man and make a living I came across the new Seamaster 300M and saw how Omega refreshed the design. It literally took me back to the point where I couldn't believe what they had done. I believe the Submariner defined the last century of divers and now the Seamster 300M will define the current one. It is a technical masterpiece surpassing the level of the Sub in almost every way.
Personally I fell in love with it to the point where I had to have one. I may not be able to afford a new Submariner but it doesn't matter because if the Seamster was 8,500 and included a 2 year wait it would be the piece that I would chose. See these things aren't always about money or investment but about how you come to appreciate and connect with the timepiece itself. Now I can look back and appreciate what the Bond version really brought to the table and now I have a tangible story to tell where true emotion and insight comes to play. The new Seamaster I'd say is a cracking watch and I believe is often overlooked in the watch world. Much hype went into the Tudor Black Bay line which I also own but frankly more attention should have been given to this one. Hopefully time will change that.
Excellent video, well done. New subscriber and Planet Ocean owner here...quite happy with it, actually. Cheers
Let's hope we get a seamaster like that one at the end sometime soon. I'd be game for sure
Thanks for the comment, Max! I have a feeling that the design encroaches a little too much towards the Planet Ocean line, but maybe I've been looking too much into it. None of us can really tell what they get up behind the scenes, but hey, it's good to dream ;)
@@ID-Guy perhaps a combination of the vintage lineup 300? I remember hearing omegas CEO say that the newer seamaster 300 vintage style was their most popular model last year. So perhaps they'll learn from it And it might not be as far out as we'd think. Thanks again
I love the compliments of the new Seamaster in this video, because I am almost out the door to buy one. Something is holding me back though, and that's maybe a few things. Or rather I have thought it through. Probably I just need to go see them in the store, now. However I had a Seamaster before in quartz, and a mechanical one. The mechanical one went haywire gaining over an hour a day, when it fell from even low heights onto carpet. (Who in all sincerity, would dive with that?) It happened twice, at falls less than half a metre onto carpet. That to me, is not good quality. However at least I know what I am getting into now, whereas before I was what could be called careless. Even though both drops were purely accidental. I think the Seamaster may be more durable now though, and Omega list a shock resistance rating. (I say think, because I don't recall the specifications of my last Seamester mechanical.)
I've got a blue ceramic beze gloss dial version and I think its stunning. Also the way it was ignored here (as always) and relatively short lived means I think its a future classic that will be highly sought after. I'll never sell btw
Good point , my associate has the same one in black and it really looks like an expensive classy Omega diver as in a lot more expensive than what you can pick these up for now( a little under the radar bargain at the moment, for top quality etc) you could be on to a winner with a future sought after classic
It won't. No one cares about it.
Be real.
Why so little attention to the 2254.50? Arguably at least as distinctly "Omega" than the Bond watch
You're right, man. I should have prefaced by saying that this video would focus more on the 'mainstream' divers. I love the 2254.50. It looks built for a navy diver (and its a pity that it never received as much attention as the 'Bond Watch') Would it be safe to say that this model could be considered as a 'Prototype' before the 'Bond watch' came into being? I'm sure you have more knowledge on the subject than me. And thank you for your comment, I really appreciate it!
I still have my fathers 1968 Seamaster with day/date function that I still wear as a dress watch and I will always cherish it.
I love your mockups and hearing your perspective as a designer, though the elegant 57 dial looks a little disproportioned against the beefy bezel don't you think ;)
I really appreciate the comment, Anton! You know, that is exactly what I thought when the render had finished! Maybe it has to do with the minute track being so prominent? Ah, but I love it just the same. Imagine how cool the model would look in the flesh?
I own the Blue Wave dial Seamaster and a new Planet Ocean and BOTH are amazing. The Blue Seamaster is timeless!
I would buy that Seamaster you designed. Looks much better!
That last design you put in was way cool. It would have been sold by the truck loads.
Excellent video as always. 👍
I love my 2531.80 and 2254.50 Seamasters
The Omega ceramic speedmaster is for me the most beautiful Omega for the moment
I had not even looked that up until you said, because I didn't know about it. Oh wow.
Maybe you should apply for a job at Omega. I like the version you presented. I strongly considered this watch over my Tudor Black Bay, but I couldn’t get over the helium release valve.
A lot of people have asked if I work in the industry, but I've never touched watches before. It's quite funny! Also, it is such a pity that helium valve polarises so many people away from the watch. I like and dislike it (and that might be an interesting discussion) Thank you for your comment, Craig.
I'll tell you I have the the Tudor BB blue bezel in house bracelet version. I've also been fortunate enough to pick up the new Seamster 300M black on bracelet. The HE valve truly gives the Seamaster welcomed character and the dial is to die for. While I love my Black bay if I were to have one watch I'd go with the new Seamaster. It just punches so far beyond it's weight it's unbelievable.
I love the mock up. I think the 2254 is way better than the Bond any day.
Love your design
The helium escape valve is what keeps me from fully liking the Seamaster.
I think it is a cool novelty. It definitely makes the watch more unique, and also is another added thing to fidget with, but it is pretty pointless. At this point in time I don't think Omega will be removing it from their line anytime soon (and that shows in them fattening up the valve on the new model.) They take pride in it and want it to show that they're not being like other brands, which is commendable. Thanks for the comment!
agreed - it's an ugly wart
The HE valve is very divisive. However it has always been there and it is part of the SMP history now. It’s definitely one of those things that makes the SMP an SMP, and I think it would look odd without one at this point. I don’t see them removing it anytime soon.
Wrecked Rectum I think this latest one is the worse in its history though
Its not the only piece to have it but definitely sets it apart from the Sub and that's what Omega wanted to do. It adds uniqueness and character to the piece and having one I can tell you that it looks very exquisite. Also it gives the user an additional way to have a tangible connection to the piece because when you actuate it feels like high end jewelry, it's actually very cool.
Bravo, a consummate commentary.
That really means a lot, man. This is by far the best complement I've read all day. Thank you so much!
the 90s blue dial 300M bond watch is fun but the later seamaster with black dial that came out in 2000 looks better. the best of that being the quartz version 2264.50.00 this omega seamaster professional is loaded with features. Rhodium plated finish. Water resistant. Shock proof. Anti magnetic. Scratch resistant anti reflective sapphire crystal. helium escape valve. divers extension. end of battery life indicator. High luminous hands
I would but your design! To me that’s a winner in every aspect 👍
The redesign looks a whole lot like the planet ocean & I agree, it looks more like a natural progression / evolution compared to the smp 300.
Your render is amazing. I wish Omega would do that.
Incredible video, great research and even a fan based design suggestion in the end! I love the content of this channel.
On a personal note, I think the original design language was kept in the Planet Ocean, unfortunately the brand only played with water depth resistance to distance itself with the Submariner, making the watch too thick.
Let s see what happens with the Seamaster in the future.
I like both, the Sub no date and the SMP 2018 in black. Omega did a god job. Design, quality and price and no waitinglist.
Buy both if you like and can...
Only thing I don't like is the skeleton hands. I love everything else on this watch.
It seems like there has always been a lot of contention around the skeleton hands. I find it so fascinating! For me I think it does link up with the watch (like a Mercedes hand with a sub) but I also agree that some design choices with the watch were a bit odd. Only after seeing renders of what it could have looked like do you see such a shift. Thanks for the comment, man!
if they go for the arrow style hand i guess i may rush out and get one myself
That’s what made me buy it.
I find the skeleton hands so appealing 🔥👍
I also prefer the solid hands as are on my 2254
Your design looks great!
I grabbed a white faced 300M two weeks ago,I love it but it has one flaw and thats the lack of serrations on the bezel,there is no way I can move it while diving and I can hardly turn it sitting at my desk. My Submariners bezel is grippy and more useful
I have the Seamaster and feel that it is a phenomenal timepiece. I don't own a Submariner so I am not able to speak from experience. However, I prefer my Doxa. The watch is tough, durable, and a tool watch that can withstand a beating.
I would buy your design seamaster in a heart beat
The Brosnan' Seamaster doesn't look dated to me, it still looks great, specially with the black bezel.
Boo! Stop slagging off the greatest watch ever made! 😃Fascinating analysis as always, and I do think your proposed design looks terrific. To my eye the design of the SMP has aged incredibly well, noticeably so when compared to the “pre-Bond” Seamaster which looks laughably dated by modern standards with its weird integrated bracelet. The SMP is a very special watch to me and I will never sell mine - for my generation it is THE Bond watch and is an icon in its own right. I’ll bet you a beer that Omega will do a reissue of the piece to commemorate a future Bond anniversary - 30 years of GoldenEye in 2025? Watch his space!
Very good video. But I find it a little perilous to conflate the ubiquitous nature and little-changed design of the Submariner as equating to a better watch. The Bond SMP was a course change and a new signpost in the Seamaster history. A course correction that is not young at 25 years (a full quarter century). As I consider the original Bond SMP in the context of its time, virtually nothing else that was contemporaneously made fares as well as the Sub and the SMP. And, as you correctly observed, it is not accurate to confuse a 90's Sub with a modern one; such are the quality and detail differences.
When viewed on-wrist, and within the context of its time, I think the original SMP Bond watch fares particularly well. In horological terms, chronometeric terms, and design terms. Few watches of the time dared so greatly.... and actually executed.
I suppose I view Rolex's virtual paralysis as a negative thing. As you noted, the current Submariner would likely be little different from that found in the late 80's had Omega not forced the Crown's hand.
Very good comment and thank you DBruh! I should have mentioned a line that I too think it was a very bold move to introduce the new line in the 90's. And we're even seeing it today! The variety of watches that Omega has on offer is unreal. And then comparing the lineup to Rolex with the Explorer 2, the GMT, the Submariners...It's a very interesting case study to look at. Someone did mention Stagnation in the comments and I think that would fit the way Rolex brings out virtually the same watch every year. It's quite sad really
What IDGuy say is his opinion and analysis, to say it in a nice way. Another way to look at his video is that he is creating speculation. There are no official spokesman from both watch maker to verify or deny his claims. We will just watch his video casually, don't take it too seriously.
Amazing mock up!! Omega, hire this man immediately! Yesterday!
@ IDGuy great video
5:18
20.54.50 Peter Blake. I’ve had that version for 16 years, too long to ever sell it. I had a Submariner Date 16610 and the Blake felt more robust.
I love the limited 300 specter and the Seamaster 300 60th Anniversary LE Master Chronometer 39MM. However the price tag and limited edition has turned me off to Omega. I love the older hands of the Omega. That being said though I would prefer a Submariner. The Rolex wider case, crisp clean aesthetics, tapered bracelet, the mirror gloss dial just does it for me.
The America’s Cup Limited Edition from 2000 looks epic. Still prefer the “no date” Submariner.
I never saw this piece before and must agree with you! It looks like a Milspec model. Thank you for your comment, man! On a side note, I'm holding out for a birth year 14060, so I think we have similar tastes ;)
Your last design - no HE valve and with crown guards is exactly what Omega should release. They have a better movement and bracelet/clasp already..
It would be a game changer (at least I believe) but maybe it encroaches too much into Planet Ocean territory? But after editing the watch I thought to myself "Yes, this would work" hahaha! Thanks for the comment, man!
Great video! What's the reference of the vintage reissue? It reminds me of the Jaeger-LeCoultre Master Ultra Thin 172.8.79.S, but I imagine it's more affordable than that one.
PS. I did a little digging. Turns out it isn't!
What a video , another classic if I say myself. I have just got my Sub but I always loved omega from a early stage . But the planet Ocean is the one to buy... but it’s way to expensive. So what not wait the extra time and put your money into Rolex. Omega has everything apart from a classic design and I think it’s a bit of a pity. This is my second video to watch and my second comment so keep up the great work!! Rich
I have the new smp very accurate coaxial
Enjoy it G P, It's one hell of a watch! Thanks for the comment!
And that as they say is your opinion. I personally don't agreed with any of what you said.
Why can't omega can build an helium escape valve without the big looking crown?
The new Omega Seamaster is a Rolex submariner killer..
@R A Rubbish!
@R A Taste is subjective..the new Seamaster is objectively technically superior...
@R Aperhaps..Please explain how was it technically superior to a rolex 3135 movement? It has a Coaxial escapement ..does it have a silicon hair spring and metas certified? Again, design wise---its subjective..the new Seamaster is selling better than speedster professionals these days...according to the Omega CEO.
@R A Ok you know more than the Omega CEO... What drugs are you on?
Yes it is in every way.
57 dial with a modern bezel? Terribly incongruent
Rolex never aspired to be omega and omega shouldn’t aspire to be Rolex. Omega is always trying to compare to Rolex. It’s small penis syndrome. Omega has history and watchmaking prowess in its own right. Omega can stand on its own merits.
Give me that Aqua Terra all day. As for a true diver, Blancpain 50 Fathoms is the apex predator
300M for the win.
Your design would work better if the bezel and dial numbers are the same size...
Easy solution: Get the Seamaster 300 Co-Axial (233.30.41.21.01.001)
Blancpain was the first before Rolex
I don't care for the bezel, it's a look a lot of cheaper watches use. I wonder how your design with a coin edge bezel would look like? I'd also like to see them move to a sapphire or ceramic insert over the dated aluminum kind. The band is too fancy again like a cheaper watch design.
The intro music doesnt fit at all with your brand. Its some ghetto gangster music, then you have excellent refined content throughout the rest of the video. Why ????
I have both the master coaxial like the 1957 and the 2018 blue on steel smp. They are the only two left in my collection. Love them both. Was surprised though with your mock up. when i saw it was like... oh #$%&! thats nice! only thing i lust for now to make my collection a 3 watch collection would be a green hulk but with a 70hr power reserve if they even make one.
I have a hard time appreciating Omega designs. To me, especially recently, they've tried hard to be more bold than Rolex, ignoring history and convention, and tending more toward trendy. Some of their design elements are just ridiculous, like in this example, the textured dial and that He valve at 10:00 which nobody will ever use. This also results in a product line that has no commonality to it and looks confused. The SM 300 and Speedmaster are both iconic Omega sports watches yet they have nothing in common, and you'd be forgiven for thinking they were entirely different brands.
Compare this to Rolex, who have always been conservative, perhaps to a fault, but there is a common design language throughout. The result is a Rolex always looks like a Rolex. You know one when you see it. I think this may be of more value to their brand than trying to make an impression of being cutting edge. I guess they leave that to Tudor. Perhaps Omega and Tudor are the real matched competitors when it comes to design.
By the way, I'm really loving your recent videos more oriented toward design analysis. Keep them coming.
I can't decide between blue and black in the 2018 Seamaster Pro. (Maybe going to see one will do the trick.) … What bothers me about the blue, is that in some photos online, it looks really off coloured. Especially flash photography, but then flash can mess with colour. (However sometimes it looks off coloured to me in bright sunlight photos.) In promo shots of the blue one, it looks luscious and rich coloured, with varying blue depths of colour.
Rolex should have left the watch case alone and just upgraded the bracelet.
Other than personal taste on aesthetics, the real achilles heel for the SMP is the scalloped bezel.....absolutely useless when diving! So much so i sold mine....coin edge is so much better, hence why the later planet ocean’s adopted the design....
Agree with you on the seamaster professional, I never liked the hands and the shape of the bezel. the vintage models are so much better. Your mock ups are so much better.
Omega already sell your mock up. its a railmaster.
Thanks but I’ll stick to the current design. I like the name Seamaster more than Seikomonster.
Nice video and history. I hope to get one of these early 1990s 40mm some day. ID GUY can you check your Email for your youtube channel? I left you some a couple weeks or so ago and really need some advice. It is about some watches you own already. Thanks.
Rapey
Must be a rolex fan boy
Competition doesn't necessarily lead to innovation. Often leads to monopolies, stagnation.
Very true, Eric. I think I was speaking in a bit of an umbrella term, looking more towards the big names in any industry. But Apple and Samsung is a good example of what you mean and I'd have to agree with you. Thanks for the comment, man!
I don't think you understand what those terms mean. In a market dominated by a monopoly, there is no opportunity for competition. Competition means no stagnation because competitors are forced to innovate and stand out against other companies.
Not a fan of the seamaster design. Doesn’t hold a candle next to the icon that’s the sub.
I have to say yuck on your design. I bought the watch because of no numerals on the dial. I bought it because it was technically superior then the Rolex Submariner in every way. I bought the Seamaster 300 for the controversy of hands, bezel and helium escape valve. I bought it because finally a bracelet that doesn’t use the Submariner style on every other watch made out there. It doesn’t look out of date at all because it still looks like nothing else and I love it for that uniqueness.
The mock up is ugly & I have to disagree about the dated image. I would say it's the submariner that looks dated. The 90's seamaster just got everything right including the helium escape valve. And finally when you see anyone wearing the Rolex one of the first thoughts is "Fake"
Dated?! Rolex has been dated since I can remember and the only reason they better their watches is thanks to Omega which to me make better watches. If you move the HB and the crown guards then you end up with an AQUA TERRA. which in my opinion are more beautiful than any Rolex and with out the stupid waiting games.
I’ve been enjoying your videos but not feeling the mock up. You put it on a diet and lost too much weight.
Dial is cool but still my vote goes to the current Omega design. My next watch.
I dont like the arrow hand , nice try