2024 Chevy Silverado 2500HD ZR2 vs. Ford and RAM HD Off-Road Trucks: WHICH ONE IS OVER $100K?
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Find out how the new 2024 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD ZR2 compares to the heavy-duty off-road trucks made by Ford and RAM.
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Run them all through your 4WD course in Colorado. Thx TFL.
Will do ASAP!
@@TFLoffroad🤣 man don't tease us we'll be waiting!!!
They come standard with financial counseling to deal with those $1,200.00 a month payments
😂 wouldnt be surprised if they start coming out with 15 year financing
Not a poor man's truck. Never was meant to be......
Just pay cash........ no payments and saves you money!
@@rsbreeze not always....depends where you have your cash and what loan is costing......alot do pay cash though
At the peak, better off keeping your money making bigger dividends than loan is costing
Diesel heading to $7.00 a gallon plus
Chevy ZR2 Diesel for me
The Power wagon is simply not worth it .. payload is 1500 pounds or less. Get a half ton. I've owned several Rams, and the 6'4 standard bed vs 6'8-10 beds of the competitors is a huge downside
I have the f250 tremor with Godzilla engine. Yes, it's thirsty. That aside, it does everything really well. Including towing my 12k fifth wheel through the Sierras and Rockies. The additional weight of the diesels on the front in off road situations is a negative as is the effect of all the slow speed idling on the emissions equipment. So between that, the cost of diesel vs gas and the lack of expensive and complicated emissions gear, I went gas. I have not regretted it (also have a Ram diesel in the driveway, so I know the difference). I installed a 58 gallon gas tank, so range is not an issue either. I finished a 6k mile trip this summer with the fifth wheel and averaged 9 mpg for the trip (CA to KY and back). My diesel with same trailer and route averages 10 mpg. So it's a good trade.
I appreciate your comparison on gas vs diesel. Makes me lean further towards gas
This. I have a landscape company and it has never made sense to own a diesel truck. They are more expensive in every way. Unless you're loaded heavy every day I guess but still some of those old box vans and moving trucks etc were gas engine and lasted for 100s of ks and did it so with less expense.
I’d get a gas zr2 without the bison package. Save about 20k right there
I hope the 5 people that can afford these trucks really enjoy this video!
I am extremely fortunate to have purchased a newer HD truck before the prices went insane........ these prices are absolutely ridiculous!
They have been crazy for quite a while
Tell me about it, just quoted a 24 AT4x HD with AEV package. Almost fell out of the chair when they told me $103k
Same with me... purchased a 21 Ram PW (anniversary) for 67k... I would not be able to afford that PW today with similar options (87k)
What goes up must come down.
Why? Because you can go through life and have people wonder if you have a poor ability to make wise decisions. Or you can slap down big bucks on one of these and then take the 8,000-pound truck out into the boonies and tear it up, thereby removing all doubt.
One important feature ZR2 has that the Tremor or the Rebel do not have? Factory snow plow prep. Ford and Ram do NOT allow their factory plow prep to be ordered with the Tremor (Ford) or Rebel (Ram). GM still allows VYU plow prep to be ordered on the ZR2.
That doesn't make any sense. Off-road use requires a certain spring rate, so does carrying a snow plow. They're different spring rates. You're never going to get the right spring for both jobs without going with an air setup in the front.
@@snowmanwithahat The front torsion bars on the ZR2 are the same p/ns as the bars on a regular 4x4 or Z71 with plow prep. That's how. They didn't change the bars they use. 2024s the front axle gross with VYU plow prep is 6000lbs, no matter the engine, no matter a regular 4x4 or the ZR2. The ZR2 has the extra height and the trick shocks, but otherwise its still just as capable as the regular HDs.
ZR2, no question is the best truck here.
We would respect you more if you had an opinion. Can you and your co-hosts please start practicing saying "this is the best" "This is good, but product X is better" etc. Seriously, you are uniquely positioned to drive vehicles we cannot. Tell us what you REALLY think. We don't need another brochure.
My dream truck will be the 2500 gmc at4x aev diesel.
Recently made this decision. For 69k I went for the 2023 F250 XLT Tremor with the 7.3. For that price I got 360 cameras, premium audio, panoramic moonroof, upfitter switches and more. Power wagon doesn’t actually compete in the HD space with regards to payload, and to get the features I have on a Rebel HD the least expensive I could find was 85k. One thing not mentioned is that Ford uses the same leaf pack and axles on the 250 Tremor as they do the 350 Tremor. The only difference is the door jamb sticker. So essentially a 250 Tremor’s payload # is just de-rated and the truck can realistically (not legally) handle more. Love my truck and although I don’t consider 68k to be cheap, I feel like in comparison to the other options it’s actually a reasonable value.
I've always wondered what the godzilla 7.3 engine would sound like with some proper pipes underneath. Honestly, If you can get anything for under 70K that's heavy duty and that many options, id say your right on par. Considering a king ranch F-150 will run you in the high 60s (in my area), id say you made a good choice, as long as it does everything you require. Tremors are sharp looking trucks too.
For king ranch f150? Wow, the xlt hybrid are 68k+ here already.
Well done! Good decision.
Power wagon is the same way. I have done up to 15k even off road, no issues
@@LloydSwartz-i4m Yea, I’m sure its capable of it, but Ram’s crazy low payload rating makes it impossible to tow much legally. The Powerwagon I test drove had less than 1300 lbs of payload, my Tremor is rated for 3261 even though its a 250 (a 350 would add around 500lbs more).
Would be nice if GM did a ZR2 or Trailboss package on a WT like Ram. Save $10k and "only" spend $87k on a truck. What a deal!😂
Just don’t get the bison package and you save 10k 😂. 82k for a diesel zr2 is a steal I think for what you get.
Trail Boss HD is coming. Sources confirmed this at the ZR2 truck drive event.
You always get 50% or more back on a diesel. Expensive but cheap to own!
I’d pick F250 XLT with tremor package and Godzilla
Recently did just that and it’s an awesome truck!
Love the 7.3 gas
If you told someone from 25- 30 years ago, that a pickup truck would cost north of 80k, they would probably think you were "smoking something".
You need to put all of the new diesels on a Dino, so we can see how much Ford is lying about thier power!
They are as honest as Chevy or ram lol. They just make more power.
@mattgray6436 that's funny shit right there! I remember in 08ish the claimed they had 1000hp then to find out it was only 600hp
I’m a Mopar or no car guy. But, right now I would get a ‘24 GMC HD AT4X AEV Edition.
We will be able to review the GMC trucks in mid October.
More reviews of trucks no one can afford. Are these trucks even going to be made considering the UAW wants to be stupid and strike?
Stupid and strike? $15 and hour while the CEO just made $20 million. Who is making these vehicles expensive? Truly it's the idiots that pay that kind of money for a truck they just drive to the mall.
@@roxydog545 do your research. They dont make $15/hr. They make $28/hr on average.
@@roxydog545 and you think vehicles are expensive now? Wait until they get the 40% pay increase they want. There will be no sub $50k basic sedans anymore and trucks will cost $125k+. This is basic economics.
You will be disappointed because they fly off the lot so far...
@@fongvang935 I know they do. For people who are shit with money and mortgage their life away.
That is one ugly truck.
I just got my 2022 pw fully loaded and dealership marked it down from 80k to 74k. For me and my budget this truck was exactly what i wanted. More space, more storage, and very offroad capable with front and rear lockers and a front disconnecting sway bar and winch from the factory. Yes the payload is horrendous and the mpg is a killer, but if you know about powerwagons then you werent planning on saving gas or towing now were you? 😅😅😅 still cool to see other companies coming into this market tho. Nice work andre!👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Just curious as im looking to get a power wagon myself. Fully loaded whats the payload? Thank you I appreciate it.
@@bod7425 just checked the door sticker and my 22 pw with lv 3, tow package, and offroad package says 1314 payload. All ram trucks except for the leaf spring 3500s and up have much lower payload than other trucks cause they switched to springs and shocks on all four corners instead. But there are videos that have a bed loaded to 2500 lbs and the bump stops arent even touching the axles. Legally you cant go over the sticker but the pw is still a 2500 platform just with offroad tuned shocks and springs.
@@bod7425 if you still want payload and front and rear lockers i would look into gmc sierra hd at4x. I think thats gonna have what you want. Good luck!
@@bod7425 Advice, skip the ram boxes. Ordered a 2024 and had a 2020. The ram boxes add a lot of weight.
@@muskaman2k My current 2021 ram 1500 rebel has 1400ish. But I still want the power wagon for the front locker and sway bar disconnect. Does the sway bar disconnect make offroad driving significantly more comfortable? Thank you
I don't have a problem with independent front suspension. The military version of the Hummer (HMMWV) has an independent suspension all the way around and was excellent off road. We could drive them places where you couldn't even walk.
That depends on where your at
Those things where straight garbage in Alaska
And the Marines have been using nothing but fully independent suspension tactical vehicles including 7 tons for decades now instead of solid axles for both front and rear.
Don’t forget the Portal axles.
@@2-1inffwa97an ex military guy stated that the h-1 is just good in desert conditions, on the uneven ground the limited suspension travel is the weak point, I have heard an amusing story of a h-1 try and follow lifted (tippy)Jeeps and Toyotas and roll over due to the lack of suspension travel..
Thought MT stands for mud terrain
It needs a solid axle and a front locker. I would still take the Power Wagon. The Multimatic shocks on the first gen Colorado ZR2's had major leaking issues. I know mine leaked on my 2018. Hopefully they have solved that issue. Either way, these prices are just out of control.
The independent suspension does just as good as a job as the solid axle. And it drives better.
I love that zr2 its so badass
too bad its GM garbage
@toddbob55, stupid fanboi!
Love the AEV Crestone wheels on the ZR2 Bison. Best looking wheels out of all 3 trucks.
GMC all the way.
Platinum tremor, then carli suspension upgrade
Blah blah blah
It's a cool and very capable truck, but it shouldn't be called ZR2 without a front locker.
The one feature they should have for an offroad oriented truck is exactly what's missing
independent front suspension in a heavy duty application has durability concerns with a front locker.
More on road.plow
Ive got a Lariat F250 Powerstroke Tremor. Cant be beat
Power Wagon don't care
Andre, if you’re going to talk off-road trucks, please make turning radius part of the discussion. Yes, I understand that HD pickups will take more space to turn around; my F-150 takes three full-size lanes to make a U-turn. I appreciate that HD trucks have beam axles and heavier steering components. However, with the increased popularity of off-road vehicles, this can be a way for manufacturers to be innovative and differentiate themselves from competitors. None of the big three is putting effort into this. However, after the first truck is built with a reduced turning radius, the others will respond. Also, a smaller turning radius could help manage a trailer and maneuver at a job site. The tailgate war didn’t start until the first shot was fired. Then, all Hell broke loose.
The F450 has that reduce turning radius
@@steevehudon8941 Excellent. So Ford already has paid the engineering cost. Bring it on Ford for the 250 Tremor. I would replace my F-150 with that for my farm truck.
@@RickActual
Engineering consists of a wider front track for more steering angle.
Ez on a dually F-450...would be odd on a SRW to have a wider front track than rear.
Gm will have the shortest turning radius
I’m so opposed to the crazy expensive tailgates… it just adds to the cost, so unnecessary.
All jobs are work.. what you guys present to us in your well thought out videos are a ton of work and it’s expensive to pay for this level of information.
That being said, you guys have one of the best jobs in the world! The technology and performance of every single truck and SUV today is absolutely amazing. It’s hard for most people to UNDERSTAND THE ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLY changes in safety, efficiency, towing, off road and every single metric of measurement we can document from the pickups and trucks I grew up driving on my families large ranch in the mountains of New Mexico. I learned to drive in the early 1970’s. At that time we had a 46 ford pickup (it was only 30 years old!), a 1965 and 63 chevy and dodge half ton and a 68 Ford F-250. It’s stunning the difference..
Today trucks are too expensive or my income just isn’t keeping up with inflation. So now that I need to buy one, gathering all the possible knowledge is daunting and I so appreciate being able to watch your videos. Your information is extremely helpful.
I would definitely do the zr2 HD. I enjoy the independent suspension plus it has some really cool shock tech compared to ram and ford. If I towed over 10k regularly I would do diesel but I would probably go for the gas. I really enjoy the Silverado HD facelift.
if you are talking a true hardcore offroad HD, you can't beat the Powerwagon. Yes the payload is lighter but I don't know many people who are doing to put a toyhauler on the same vehicle they are going to go hardcore 4-wheeling in. As an all-around vehicle, the Ford Temor would be a good choice but it will not keep up with the Power Wagon in hardcore wheeling.
Guy that lives across from me, never met him, but he just got a new 2024 Chevy 2500 HD ZR2 with the Duramax, looks awesome!!
Give me the ZR2 HD. Ford is overrated and old.
Durama'x 100% thanks 😂
For pure off road use the Power Wagon with its greater articulation real lockers front and rear is the best. It also has a suspension that rides softer off road. I like the tremor best if you need more GVW and at least it has Torsen front locker.
Ya the F350 Tremor high output diesel is hard to beat. If you get the xlt f350 tremor HO diesel, no sunroof, you'll have 4224 pounds of payload. Chevy and Ram can't come close
Truck king said earlier the chevy does not have a front locker. Is this correct TFL?
I’ll stick with the Ram, thank you very much.
Man I just have to say you guys are so fair with your reviews. Andre especially is non-opiniated and it makes for a great watch. Keep it up guys! Best car review/overview channel out there! P.S. can you please do some more odd car overviews?
Fair? The video was mostly Chevy....
Great overall view, tough choice if there isn’t a brand loyalty playing in.
Only thing I’m a little concerned about is the price tag every time the shocks needs replacing.
There’s a company that is already working on rebuild setups for them. It’s around 1k for all four.
These prices are insane. So glad I got my Ram 2500 in early 21. Another thing one can do if you want a “baby power wagon” is get a 2500 with the 6.4 and add the level 1 Laramie package and off-road package. Add a full thuren suspension and boom, baby power wagon minus the lockers and sway bar disconnect.
All of these are just too big to drive on fireroads in wooded areas. They work well in the great basin.
Excelente comparativa la mejor pickup del mercado es la Chevrolet Silverado HD 2.500 ZR2 luce con más estilo
We want the all hand on deck comparison. Mud, rocks, climbs, desert, engine stress, winch recovery, river crossings, lockers... All this with and without payload. A full and true 4x4 comparison
The powerwagon would easily be the best. With front and rear lockers and detachable front sway bar. It has the most articulation.
Nothing looks as good as the ford super duty.
Andre your dream truck in an F250 is $99,125 on the for build and price. And it comes with cruise control.
Just waiting to hit the PowerBall !
Ford is fun to drive
New trucks and vehicles are too crazy expensive. If I bought what I really wanted I would be using every cent I could save to make the bank payment for the next 10 years no joke.😢. My Dad bought a 2002 Chevy Silverado extended cab 4x4 with a 6liter V8 3600lbs of payload and 10000lbs of towing. Bought the truck new for 28,000 dollars truck is showing its age but has 280,000ish miles on the clock and still runs pretty reliably. Whether you buy base midsize or compact truck you are paying as much or a little more for it than my Dad payed for his heavy duty pick up truly crazy!!😮
Power wagon is a real off road truck
I dozed off because the name of the truck was so long. Chevy Silverado Twenty Five Hundred HD ZR2 AEV?
I just ordered the HD ZR2 in gas. Have no idea when it will arrive. Hopefully the strike won’t delay delivery.
I wish ram would develop a new big block push rod gasser.
What’s wrong with the 6.4?
@@ALMX5DP for me personally the wife has a jeep srt that makes more power than the power wagon. It’s dumb but I just can’t get passed that and trade my 1500 for less power than her passenger vehicle. Wish it had a big 7.3 pushrod.
@@heavyarms951 sure but remember HD pickups like this are specifically tuned for the types of uses they see. Many times such engines produce less horsepower than their passenger vehicle counterparts to help maintain a flatter torque curve or knowing the types of loads they’ll pull so that they can keep revs down and have sufficient cooling for sustained use. And just because displacement is bumped doesn’t mean power will be substantially different. Ford’s 7.3 isn’t too drastically different in terms of peak output to the 6.4 but again it’s designed for that flat torque curve.
@@ALMX5DP I just assumed it was for longevity.
I would like more torque from the 6.4 as well.. they detuned it , but the HD version is built more robust than the jeep, etc.
That said, the 4.10 axles haul almost 4000 lbs in mine often.
I rather pay 100k for a Peterbilt or a kenworth... fleakin ridiculous paying that much for a pickup....
power wagon wheelbase is only 149 inches, not 160. its the smallest HD crew cab truck in this segment.
I'd go straight to the most capable offroad truck the powerwagon with front and rear lockers and detachable front sway bar.
** Important Announcement ** I purchased a new 2024 Chevy 2500HD Z71 LTZ last Friday. I had it less than a week. Driving about 35MPH the vehicle went into limp mode, enginve light on, other lights on and I limped home with transmission acting crazy and steering way off and braking an issue. Mileage on the vehicle was 308 when this happened. Pulled codes with my code reader and it displayed 1 code of C1555. I am pissed! This truck wasn't cheap. Shared this comment on another channel to get the word out there. Looking up the issue isn't unique to me.
Truck shut down again today. I smell a lemon. 500 miles on this new truck.
Its actually a minor problem to fix. Although its serious driving down the hiway. But the C1555 is the Power Steering Motor Relay Welding Failure.
Andre, As of 29 SEP 23 at 0946HRS EST, I checked the ram 2024 2500 tradesman configurator and there is NO OPTION for a powerwagon package.
It's there IF YOU select 4.10 axle ratio package.
For my money Ford.
Chevy is also advertising the HD Trail Boss as coming soon as a ‘25 model intro.
Yes!
Power wagon is still the off road capable king and by far the best looking truck
Agree. For nearly 20 years now.
Fact check Andre: f350 with HO and 3.55 tows 23000 gooseneck.
Who is buying these insanely expensive $75k - $95k pickup trucks? Buyers are being financially irresponsible paying $1,000 + per month for a depreciating asset.
I would still love to get the Chevy 2500 bison is a cool looking truck
Idk I had a power wagon a Colorado zr2 a ram 2500 diesel and a van. My thoughts if you are looking for a "overland" don't waste you time on trucks just get a van they are such a nicer experience than anything you can do with a pickup. But if you are going off road I'd say stick with the Colorado because you can get down more trails especially in Washington where we have narrow trails. You should see my van I have a queen bed and bench seat in my van and can still load bikes and possibly a quad. Diy van builds all the way 🍻
My build out currently I still have 1700 lbs of payload left and that's including me and my kids weight so we still got 1700 lbs no subtracting for passengers
What brand of van did you go with? Does it have AWD or 4x4? How many miles in it and any problems? Tx
@@is6566i have a ram promaster 159" 2500 I've done 13000 miles on it so far had it for about 2 years now it's front wheel drive I specifically picked a promaster because I believe it's the best value and the best cargo van in general I have alot of reasons I've listed in various promaster forums on Facebook. I've been in snow and felt safe I've been down dirt trails which is 90% of what people do most people aren't doing rock crawling in their home away from home so 4x4 is unnecessary plus a Mercedes with 4x4 is super tall my promaster with my max air fans and solar can still fit in most drive thrus. I wish I got better mpg get like 14.5 which is how much a pickup gets with no bed to sleep a no fridge no batteries no interior trim so the van already wins over a truck on the fuel.
Maybe if you’re camping in established campgrounds or easy dirt roads, yes vans all the way. But if you’re going to something more technical then vans are pretty much useless. I’ve seen more 4x4 Sprinters broke down on trails more than Jeeps (I pulled a Sprinter out with my 4Runner not too long ago 😅). Capability between a proper off-road truck and a camper van is night and day difference.
@@whocaresjustdoit for sure that's why I clarified but most people just drive down logging roads (dirt roads) or drive on regular roads that are covered in snow. I've had all of those different rigs I've tried all of these different types of camping: basic tent camping using a car, basic tent camping using a pickup, truck cap camping, RV camping, bus camping, SUV camping, van camping, pickup truck tent camping. The only option I had left for my pickups were to do a 4wheel camper which at that point why not just do a van since you are going to be too tall for most jeep trails anyway with these camper style pickups and would be limited to places vans go anywhere but then when you get to camp in a pick up you have to setup camp for these truck bed camper you have to leave the cab to enter into the living area in a van you park you are done no setting up a tent in the snow or rain. Say a natural disaster rolled through and I had to bug out I have everything I need to live in a van comfortably for years vrs a truck camper you want to do that everyday for a few years if something crazy happened? I know I wouldn't I could make due with a van but a truck camper would get annoying real quick. To the breaking down issue I feel that's a few factors people doing trails their vehicle isn't capable of so lack of driver ability and knowledge then they overload their vans or have them fully loaded all the time and that comes down to how they built the van if it's heavy it's going to break. My van is one of the lightest builds I've seen most people's builds are 8000 I'm at 7200lbs my gvwr is 8900 so I've got alot of wiggle room vs the avg van build and that was by design really. So yes I agree but also it's complicated
1:02 I think the Powerwagon is quite a bit shorter in both wheelbase and overall length. Ford and GM use longer beds and have around 10" more wheelbase.
I noticed that error as well
Apologies. The Ram HD Power Wagon and HD Rebel have a wheelbase of 149 inches (not 160 inches).
Thank you for this video! Made my decision much easier! Very informative! ZR2 it is!!
$80k for cheap plastic and unreliability . Smh
Best to have a work truck / hauler then get a small compact off-roader. My opinion
The ZR2 looks the best imo. Ford looks plain and the rebel grill is by far the worst
I bought the chevrolet 2500hd zr2 duramax in March. Absolute garbage for $90k. Extremely uncomfortable after spending a little time in it and duramax sucks compared to cummins or powerstroke. My 2017 megacab dually had a better ride. First and last gm product I'll ever buy.
I wonder if those dssv shocks will fit the current generation z71 2500 hd might be a nice upgrade.
Sorry just went online and created Ford v Chevy. All the same gear. 98,810 for the Ford F250 Tremor 86,540 for the Chevy without the Bison package which is essentially a few more skid plates and steel, off road bumpers for 10K…nope. Do it yourself, Ford is ridiculous.
So the Chevrolet definitely has the more Stout drivetrain for durability and you guys have proven that.. BUT the 1500 ZR2 is built in Mexico!!
No Ford's are built in Mexico!!!
I don't know where the HD is built...
See-what GM thinks of the American worker??
The trail boss and ZR2 are built in Mexico!!!
This is a bad comparison , because you don’t need the bison package, take that out and you are at 82-85k. For the Chevy. I spec’s out Ford and Chevy. Same gear. Ford was 95K, heavy 85K. Mindful Ford was nicer.
F250 King Ranch Powerstroke all the way
Umm…. Check your powerstroke picture when doing the Fords… pretty sure they dont have spark plug wires… or normal N/A exhaust manifolds…😂
Ive always been a Ram fan especially with the Cummings but with these new high preformance gas engines im staying away from these new high $$$ maintenance diesels. This very hard for me to say but i think the ZR2 beats the Rebel in looks and capabilities both with gas engines. I will never get a Ford.
How’s it going to be king if it doesn’t have a front locker to climb up to the throne?
Could the model name for the Chevy “Beeeeeeeee Any Longer?
CHEVY CRUSHES THE FORD And DODGE.
WHY dont they make a 3500 zr2????
I have a 2022 F-350 Tremor Lariat Ultimate with Black Out package, winch and most other options - was $89k MSRP in July 2021 when ordered and with XPlan cost $82k - so costs have gone way up - similar build for 2023 Tremor would be $103k +/-! Only disappointing thing about it is the payload is only 3,249 which seemed low - for 2023 the payload of the same build is 300-500 lbs. higher from the trucks I have seen in person. Before I had a GMC AT4 - I miss the heads up display, quality of the cameras in GM and the rear seat - seat back pockets - one of my favorite features on the GM interior. Love my 2022 looks over the 2023 Tremor - but would love to have the HO diesel. I have done lots of mods - but hands down favorite mod is the S&B 60 gallon replacement fuel tank - love the range and flexibility - but it does hurt to fill it up! Thanks for the great content!
Can you put a plow on it? If not those shocks are not built for HD. Warranty a plow on those shocks and I’ll believe they are heavy duty
They offer snow plow packages on the zr2 so i assume it is ok?
@@fongvang935 if you can put a plow on it that definitely put it above ford, can’t put in on a tremor.
They missed the mark massively here in my opinion. No front locker??? Extremely disappointing
I love big trucks and I love trucks that are legitimately built to do truck stuff, I grew up in a little desert town not far from Johnson Valley and that's pretty much all there was to do. Go out and play in the dirt! My only concern is those DSSV shocks on the GM, I've seen a few guys retrofit them onto Suburbans and Tahoes only to end up destroying them putting them through hard trail use. Hopefully one of these days GM and Ford set up to a more real world off-road dispensing setup, but for now I'm seeing less Dodge guys crying about suspension failures on the trail.
Lucern? And you shopped at lucern valley market and hardware. Lol. I lived in oakhills/hesperia for 20 years. Home of KOH baby
How do all the commenters here have the ability to buy brand new trucks at these prices? Is everybody just making payments for 6-7 years or am I as the middle class sliding further down the socio-economic ladder?
That’s a nice ass truck
I know what I’m buying. May have to sell my 96 F250 tho 😢
12:10 wondering where he just randomly finds a random, disconnected shock...then sees the random "free range" tire in the background...the desert is a wild place
I mean don't forget the tradesman PW. If you really want bang for buck, you can't really beat that. Take all three out and tell me which truck is more comfortable. In my opinion the PW takes ride quality hands down. Granted I own a Power Wagon so I'm incredibly biased lol.
Sorry the ram doesn't ride better then a gm hd
@@atg1338 offroad it will.
I do gas for payload because the camper I like I'm pretty sure would not work with the diesels I'd have to double check it again
Excellent comparison! Thorough!!
Thank you for watching and the kind words.
While the Tremor "package" makes the F250 a very capable truck, it's not in the same category as a Rebel/Power Wagon/ZR2. That being said, I DON'T need the Bison upgrades for the ZR2 and/or the major upcharge that come with it. Just my opinion. I wiuld never be in the market for ANY of the 3. If i was, ZR2 diesel please...
But there is a white elephant in the room though... to my understanding is that the HD ZR2 does not come with a locker in the front end. Where the Ram dose and the Ford has a limited slip front end. Also lets not forget the lifter issues that GM has as well. I'm a huge GM fan, and was exited for a HD ZR2. But after hearing that it doesn't have any type of locker in the front end was a HUGE let down for me. For me, I'm going for the Ford.
You're talking about a totally different engine that has had lifter issues.
My mid-trim ‘16 Power Wagon was like $49k 😮 Yikes
Yeah that was 2016... 7yrs ago and 💩 changes....DUH
Keep them all. At least $30000 over what they're worth.
But let's not mention the Ram And Ford have solid Axel front suspension GM has IFS Which is nowhere near as, strong as a solid front axle. Also GM doesn't even Paint their frames They put that crapy wax that rust Still to this day 🤣
I've had both off road & in the woods. The IFS is SUPERIOR! BTW, all the frames & suspension surface rust...