From Underneath to the Open Road: Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona Experience | Tyrrell's Classic Workshop
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- Опубліковано 2 тра 2024
- Join Iain on an extraordinary journey into the heart of classic Italian engineering with his latest episode focused on the iconic Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona.
In this comprehensive feature, Tyrrell's Classic Workshop delves deep into the nuances that make the Daytona a hallmark of Ferrari's legacy. Iain Tyrrell, with his customary meticulous attention to detail, provides an in-depth appraisal and work on the brakes of this storied vehicle. Through a detailed guided tour, including a rare look at the underside, gain unparalleled insight into what makes the Daytona stand out not only for its time but as a timeless classic.
As he explores the clever design and engineering marvels of the Daytona, Iain also sheds light on its comparative exclusivity and value against period peers, underscoring the car's significance in automotive history and its enduring appeal among collectors. A highlight of this episode is the original toolkit - a testament to the car's preserved authenticity and high collectible value.
The episode wouldn't be complete without Tyrrell's signature road test. Hear the mighty roar of the Ferrari V12 as Iain takes the Daytona through its paces, offering a visceral sense of what makes this car so revered.
For enthusiasts of classic cars and Ferrari aficionados, this episode is a treasure trove of information and insights, celebrating the legacy of the Ferrari Daytona and its unique place in the pantheon of automotive greatness.
Subscribe and join us for a ride into history with the Ferrari Daytona, a true testament to Ferrari's unparalleled craftsmanship and engineering prowess.
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00:00 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona
01:12 How to appraise a classic car
03:43 Intriguing historical background
11:39 What else could you have bought in 1969?
13:14 Nerdy content alert: The Daytona's windscreen and windows
14:36 Daytona original equipment - toolkit
15:23 Nerdy content: Daytona camshaft
16:26 Nerdy content: The underbelly of the beast
23:41 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona Roadtest
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The "nerdy" bits are precisely why I love these videos. Four degrees difference in the cam lobes front to back? I have an even greater appreciation for the engineers at Ferrari.
I understand this was true of the big 429 Ford cammer engine as well. 6ft. timing chain length must have caused some consternation for tuners.
They're inferior to German engineering. Wops make cars that look & sound nice, but never give much care to quality, corrosion resistance, safety, durability, etc.........
@@lukespector5550not inferior as such, just a different set of priorities!
Iain, if you want to make a 3-hr video of a Daytona drive, don't let me stop you. I'll watch it and I'm sure many other channel viewers will too. That car is beyond gorgeous and the design is timeless. Ferrari could sell a car with that styling today and it wouldn't look old-fashioned.
I disagree strongly. 3 hours is too short.
3 hours minimum!! 😊
@@NLBassistThe best 😂
As long as it’s Iain who blesses us with a mountain of facts and not a bunch of unrehearsed quirks and features that are more often wrong and lacking fidelity I also would love to see that. I am happy when I learn something new and there’s no better man for that job than Iain Tyrell, that’s for sure.
NOT as drivable and good handling as others mid-engine cars of the same mark,Wake-up!!!
The extra exhaust pipes are taking part of the flow on a bit longer path. After merging, there is a shift in the pulse timing. Part of the pulse in the straight part is joined by the time shifted pulse. It's making some of the frequencies of the exhaust quieter and some louder. The length and size of the longer tubes make the specific points quieter and louder. It's kind of an intereference that's used in noise canceling headphones, but it also works in a positive way, not just in the negative.
That sounds plausible.
Very interesting- thanks!
thought it reduced back pressure
I had a four cylinder Suzuki 1100 with a 4-into-1 extractor exhaust on it. About 10 centimeters from exiting the cylinder head, the pipes were interconected 1 to 2 and 3 to 4 via an external can each. These cans were supposed to increase mid to low-high power.
Thanks!
The 4 degree compensation for elastic deformation of the cams if truly a wow factor!
LOVE Alain De Cadenet. A true gentleman and legend. Victory by design series was amazing.
He shared the same opinion I had of the Lamborghini countach's looks ..he wasn't afraid to speak his mind
I'm more keen on his daughter Amanda! 😉
RIP Alain. Victory by design is a must-see for anyone who calls themselves a car fan.
Search Alain De Cadenet Spitfire.
@@none3763 epic! I've seen that before, not knowing it was him
“Wrap it I’ll take it”, great line. Thank You for making our Sunday’s that much better with real content Iaian!
Thank you for appreciating!
Beautiful car but I'm sorry to burst your bubble. I remember seeing a Daytona for sale 40 years ago for £4000. If only, if only.....
Fioravanti had an amazing phrase which seems very Iain-like: the best designers have "the courage of simplicity."
Love it! Thanks for the compliment
Every new video from this channel is a genuine treat, but this one gets even better than usual, because the Daytona is my favorite Ferrari of all. A few years ago I had the privilege of spending an afternoon talking cars with the legendary Ingegnere Fioravanti at his villa, here in the Turin area. I was researching the history of the Lancia Gamma (which he designed) for the book I was writing about it, and the great designer was wonderful company, a true gent! It's a memory I'll treasure forever.
Thank you for that
The supernumerary exhaust pipes are likely two different Helmholtz resonators designed to operate at two different frequencies (the front chamber is a different size than the rear) to eliminate drone in the exhaust, especially loud and noisy exhaust systems. Cutting edge in it's day, we now use other methods (cheaper and smaller) to eliminate drone in the exhaust.
The ultimate Ferrari as far as I’m concerned, yes a 250 GTO is even more special, but there’s something brutish and yet beautiful about the Daytona that sets it apart. Thanks for making another great video on a car that is utterly iconic!
Perhaps the reason for the "supernumerary exhaust" is the firing order @ 3.27. That alone suggests to me that some elegant thinking was done to exploit the shock waves in the exhaust to help either scavenging or in cylinder filling where the shock wave is directed back towards the exhaust port/valve to stop fresh mix escaping, usually when there is a more than the usual inlet and exhaust valve/port overlap. This can often be found in the two-stroke engine using expansion chamber exhaust design pioneered by Walter Kaden.
It would be fun to dyno-test the output with this exhaust solution against single straight pies for each cylinder...The sound...
Thanks. 👍
Either that or to cancel a drone i bet.
Glorious! The GoPro show of the front wheel and front wing........just need Phil Collins singing In The Air Tonight. Yes, Miami Vice made me fall in love with the Daytona and, yes, I'm aware that was a Corvette in a Ferrari dress, but it at least made me do my Ferrari research. Such an achingly gorgeous design.......and the music that engine makes. Glorious!
Watch 1976 "The Gumball Rally" The Greatest Car Movie ever made, with the real deal Ferrari 365 GTS/4 Daytona spider!
@@joebeus6886 "What'sa behind me isa not important"
I remember an Italian film with Senta Berger driving a red spider in the sea. Alpes and and David Janssen followed her in a second car not sure whether this was a spider or a coupe…from 1972/73..?
This better than a classic car feature in a magazine - much more interesting and detailed - bravo!
When I had worked at a classic car shop, I had the privilege to drive a Daytona Spyder that wasnt in Concours condition, but it was a nice car. A driver's car.
We had just performed a tune-up, and when I went for a test drive. I instantly fell in love with the car. From how smooth changing gears was to the engine's responsiveness and sewing-machine-like smoothness. When you put your foot down, oh how she went and wanted to keep going too!
For this car, the steering did have a little bit of play in it, but nothing that was like driving a truck. I was quite surprised at how light the steering actually was. The previous car I worked on was a Testarossa, and the Daytona took much less effort to drive, including in the parking lot. The suspension was also just splended with how it absorbed the bumps and undulations in the road but you always felt secure, in control of the car.
Truly has become one of my most favorite cars. Whenever I do find myself with the money to purchase a Daytona, I will most certainly will without any hesitation
I'm 58. The 365GTB/4 was always my fantasy car!! The CAR magazine test by Mel Nicholls was an obsession. This superb video was tremendously nostalgic.The profile was just perfection (closely followed by a yellow/black 512BB). Bravo Mr. Tyrelll!!!👏👏👏👏👏
Hi Mark. I'm 64 and I think that I've read the same road test as you! It's done the same thing to me 😊. It is my lottery win car, I still have the car magazine with the daytona on the front cover, in or next to a field of ( corn stubble) with the sun rising wow! What an Image! Yep, still wishing I could afford one today. 😊
Nicols is the best!
Was lucky to drive for the day an original Daytona convertable in the early 80s. An experience you never forget. We also had an AC Cobra 427 for a day now that was a dangerous thing to drive down Yorkshire narrow country roads. Terrifying but an experience never to forget.
Never apologise for your ‘nerdy’ facts Iain, that’s exactly why we love listening to you 😊
Good!
Iain I have to agree, I was twenty something when this car came out with the correct lights. It is still a great car. The induction and exhaust noise is amazing. I remember reading somewhere way back that the additional exhaust pipes created a vacuum ahead of the exhaust gas leading front and acted as a secondary scavenger system.
As a young 17 year old I got the prelidge going to Chenitte’s in Greenwich CT to pick up a new exhaust system with a neighbor for his 330 GTC back in 1978. We got a walk around in the basement and saw a Daytona covered in dust with a customers repair invoice with probably almost more than the car was worth. Explains the dust. Stunning car thanks for the memories!
Wonderful, wonderful , wonderful. Fantastic video Iain of a timeless classic.
So much history and lore in one video. From the car and the man. Excellent.
The Daytona and the Testarossa are my favorite Ferraris. If I ever won the lottery, a big lottery, I would make sure to get these into my garage. Great to see them together. To dream.
Thank you very much once again Ian, for the high quality video you posted. Nothing to discard, only the sheer pleasure to share your knowledge and enjoy the beauty of the automotive world.
Thank you!
Thank you for the close up look at the bottom of the beauty 😉
And thank you for taking us along for the ride. I realise it is tedious work freeing up a Daytona suspension. But hey, someone has to do it.
I like bottoms too.
Who could forget the 1970’s movie Gumball Rally featuring a rare convertible Daytona…such a fun movie for all lovers of anything automotive…
Is this the longest Tyrrell's video every? And about my favorite Ferrari. What a treat!
Iain, I live my exotic car obsession vicariously through you and this channel. I love to see you bring to life and enjoy the classic exotics that you work on. I absolutely love the early Lamborghinis and Ferraris specifically… with the combination of rawness and elegance that they exhibit. I think the Italian styling of that era is beautiful…especially so when contrasted to today, in a world where all the supercars look basically the same (in my opinion). The individuality of the classics is wonderful to see. I personally think that the Lamborghini Miura is the most beautiful car ever built, and I always love when you do an episode on them. You bring them (the cars) to life in your workshop for the enjoyment and pleasure of all of us who likely will never get to personally experience them. Thank you!
Thank you too- great to hear!
Ian, I think you should read this - will probably put some more colours in your paint box!
"Super Numery Pipes" - so interesting as this Ferrari feature predates computer flow dynamics!
(I have worked for a UK company (you will have worked on their sports cars) who have done computer engine performance modeling/development for Bentley, GM, Ford, Triumph MC, Harley Davidson, Rolls Royce, JCB, Daewoo, KIA, etc, etc.)
When the exhaust valve(s) open the mass of gas proceeds down the manifold uniformly until a juncture (pipe join), at this point a low pressure shock wave is generated that travels BACK towards towards the exhaust valves (that have now shut).
At certain RPM's this low pressure shock wave will reach the exhaust valve(s) when they are open again for the next cycle, and the low pressure wave will scavenge the cylinder of exhaust and draw in a fresh intake charge (as the valves are on overlap) - enabling the cylinder to produce a lot of power.
As the "SNP" join is here at the 3 into 1 junction I expect it enhances the effect - but as it never became a standard feature on performance engines, I expect the complexity/cost outweighed the benefit?
If you look at a Ford Kent engine in a Formula Ford single seater racing car, you will see a 4 into 1 exhaust which is tuned for one condition i.e. max power - as these drivers need to keep the engine at this condition to win.
However the Ford Kent engine in a rally car, where there is a need of a broader spread of power, you will see an 4 into 2 into 1 exhaust manifold, which will generate THREE times as many reflections benefiting a greater speed range - producing a broader torque range - needed by rally drivers.
And how fast does that low pressure reflection wave travel at - it's the speed of sound - but the speed of sound changes relative to the pressure, density and temperature of the medium (i.e. gas or liquid) being considered. Those two stroke motorcycle racers who lagged their exhaust pipes on cold days had already realised this.
If you have read this far - big respect - and please give me a thumbs up!!!?
You have your well- earned thumbs-up, and a big thanks as well for your interesting discourse!👏
And those "hidden" windshield wipers, what a details on this beautiful car! I know that Iain doesn't like the word iconic, but maybe this is an iconic car......! Thank you for the video, I love it. Let's hope that the owner decides it to leave this Daytona as original as possible!
Wow....i smiled the whole way through this video. As a child in the early 70s I played 'top trump cards' and this was my favourite from, one of the many car type card pack me and my brother played together. To see it so many years later in the flash..well its better then I imagined at the time. Wonderful to see. Thank you very much. Superb ....Cheers
That’s lovely- thank you. It’s comments like yours that make the effort of producing these videos worthwhile
Such a delightful episode, Mr. Tyrrell. I love how the Daytona puts a huge smile on your face.
Thank you!
What a marvellous video, I will never be able to own a Ferrari but watching and hearing iains enthusiasm makes me feel like I do😊
Lovely video. I’ve always been a massive fan of the Daytona or 365 GTB/4 to use its full name. Without a doubt my most favourite Ferrari. Such a stunning looking car even over half a century later. A masterpiece and so far ahead of it’s time. Full of state of the art design for the late 1960’s. Thank you Iain so much for great in depth video. What a beautiful Daytona.
Thanks so much for this Iain. This is my all time favourite car so beautiful and the sound is awesome. I didn't know Alain De Cadenet has passed away such a gentleman, great driver and car enthusiast I loved his Victory By Design series .
I remember this car fondly as a young buck. Whilst living in Germany, I had many Auto Quadrat? - Trumpf? Card games where the 365 GTB was the card to have. It and the Lamborghini Miura trumped all other cars/cards in the stack…. Cars of the late 60s and 70s was the era of classy/beautiful/sensual/elegant design! What a time it was! Thanks for the memories. Ferrari was the business!
Unreal video. Love it. The noise and the grunt are beautiful. I envy your job. David
WOW!! My favourite road car of all time... Think I'll watch that all again! Thank you Iain.
I remember Richard Hammond drove one in a tunnel in France! He said you are watching a man falling in love again!
Superb thanks for sharing. You bring my old days of reading classic and sport car to life, including write-ups by Alain de Cadenet 👌
Clay Regazzoni owned one and drove it daily
In Maranello people used to talk about his legendary commuting 'lap' times on the trips to and from the grand prix locations around Europe. Still to this day.
This brings me to think that this car was something else for its time.
Automotive royalty for sure. Well done Iain, keep channelling the sublime!
My god what a glorious sound!!! Mister Tyrrell you are a engine magician👍
what an absolute joy to see Iain's face light-up as he puts her through her paces.
I love the info on the valve timing on the V12 and V6 being similar giving the lovely linear power curve. I was given a spirited ride in a 246 Dino when I was 17 and have loved the V6 ever since.
That Daytona looks mint. I bought such as Road&Track, read Brock Yates whilst in sixth form. The oil crisis came soon after when values crashed. Setright, also musician, wrote an article on the musical harmonics of the exhaust system.
15:23 the difference in the timing of the camshaft has probably more to do with the lag of the carburetion rather than tensile factors
Interesting
well done thank you for taking the time to make such a wonderful video.
Typically great video. I wasn’t aware of the these earlier cars, with the covered plexi glass lights. It’s a purer design, with the distinctive v-shaped wing mounted indicators (famously copied in the Rover SD1) flowing into the lights and grille. This same detail doesn’t work so well on the later pop up light models.
It’s this level of detail that makes your videos worth watching. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the great feedback
I'm half in this video, but I have to stop and comment this is one of your best/one of my favourites.
Thank you!
+1
3 hours more of my favorite Sunday evening entertainment? I wouldn't move from my sofa if the house was on fire!
Great video Iain, I really appreciate that you take the time to do these....
I was told by the ansa rep, whose products I sold in the 1970s, that the super numery pipes are for harmonic tuning. As such I consider them a great success. One of the best sounding cars I have ever experienced.
What a wonderful mustache you got at 30.38 ))
Question, Sir Ian. What effect does the Xtra 4 degrees on the rear lobes of cam have on the engine/driveability at low rpm?
Seemingly none whatsoever. Interesting question
Fabulous. When I fell in love with Ferrari in the late 90's, I can still remember seeing the Daytona (correct me if I'm wrong) for under 100k USD. Back then we didn't have great UA-cam channels like this so I had to enjoy the sights & sounds of the marque vicariously through VHS tapes : )
The pipes likely acted as somewhat crude Helmholtz resonators, working to cancel out a droning exhaust sound. By delaying the timing of pressure variations, you can selectively cancel certain frequencies based on the length and diameter of the pipe. I would very much like to see the inside of the silencer to determine how it recombines. It may also promote power at a certain RPM. Either to tune out a power dip, or give a boost at low or high revs to improve driveability.
P.s. US auto regulations continue to be a thorn in the side of automotive beauty. Love the old plexi's.
edit: For the inclined and the pedantic: Helmholtz resonators are typically closed. But the phenomenon remains regardless of terminology.
A bit off-topic I admit, but I never know what to make of Fram oil filters: I often hear that they're a no-go when choosing a filter brand, but then I see them on these high-value cars.
Farm were original equipment on Ferraris for decades
I think that is just old bad information that’s part of the automotive world, I’ve been an engine builder my whole 51 years in the business, we use Fram on these v12s exclusively. Never have had an issue , and at a cost of around 50 k per engine, you don’t take any chances on unproven parts.
I can possibly help answer you.I worked for a largeish motor factors and Fram spin on oil filters were our main stock.However we did have occasional issues that their threads didnt quite match the recieving thread on the engine and on one occasssion as a separate issue a filter " burst" at its base plate although Fram said it had been overtightened and /or the oil pressure relief valve on the car may have siezed shut.Overall however we had very few returns.
Those are some rough roads my friend. It's been a long time since the Germans flew over, pave those things!
All the money is going to Ukraine...by the govt. Fraudsters......
Great videos, please keep them coming. Love the history and interesting facts you share about these amazing cars
Another brilliant videos, its always an eduction Iain with your content, so much detail. Thank you
The state of British roads is shameful. They're a bloody national disgrace.
I’ve hit a few recently. Think I need pot hole headlights
There is an evil showing its head like never before. If you do a little research into what’s going on on this planet, let’s just say you would want to stand up and fight for our right as human beings to thrive and survive on this planet.
Keep sending money to Ukraine..... road tax =just another legal govt.(terrorist) tax ....
Same in Australia. Seems to be an English thing.
I was out in my classic mini yesterday. I almost had my teeth rattled out on some sections of road never mind having to swerve massive potholes. Terrible state.
Unpopular opinion. The Daytona was like a huge downgrade (designwise) coming from the 275 GTB/4.
Upgrade in my opinion 🤷♂️
100% agree
Subjective!
Do you have one? If it’s a downgrade I will take it off your hands for £100.
Tell that to the sellers. Maybe they will lower the asking price.
Videos like this are why i love this channel. what a gorgeous car.
DON'T STOP,,, The DAYTONA is the GTO's brother in my view ... Excellent Iain once again,
Thanks!
Thanks for the video Iain, always look forward to your workshop insights, looking forward to the next.
Just glorious, thank you for this treat of a video!
Wonderful video Iain brings back memories when as a 16 year old schoolboy I was lucky enough to get a lift by my neighbour in his beautiful Daytona on his way to work. Just a glorious sound and the acceleration was amazing. Been my favourite Ferrari ever since. 😊
Thank you too!
Tank you Iain, a wonderful video again. Loving it! The details, so great...
Thank you for sharing true passion.
I find this channel by far my most favorite auto content on UA-cam.. and I love the nerdy bits..
Another fabulously educational video about an iconic classic car. Thank you.
It is a delight to watch your presentations. They are elegant, precise and informative.👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks for another great video Iain - a lovely car & as always fascinating to be walked through the special design features & details. The wide angle car shots are always a treat not just of this car but the beautiful selection of special cars around the garage - nothing better! 🙌👏👏👏👏👏
In the late 70's a family friend came up our drive in a JCB Daytona, he took me (then a car fascinated 12yr old) for a spin. It's a wonderful memory to this day. A beautiful car.
JCB?
The Daytona owner, Mr Bamford, of JCB company
Listening to it makes me smile. Makes me want watch the opening of The Gumball Rally movie with the 427 Cobra's and Daytona Spyder's exhaust sound echoing through the streets of Lower Manhattan. Not a great movie but it had it's moments.
Always loved the Daytona/ 365 GTB. Glorious sound when you open the taps. 1 would be added to a collection if funds allowed, its 1 of the few Classic cars that has never aged.
Thanks for the walk through. Just got a Daytona into my shop and while I know a fair amount about em, it's always good to learn more.
Man that gave me chills when Iain opened up that seemingly sleepy V12. Great video as always. Cheers from the US!
Now I see where Hammond got his inspiration for his cog.
I knew this video would be absolutely classic, turned out even better!
Wonderful. Iain never disappoints. Fabulous cars, great production, endless knowledge, and that V12 howl.
Beautiful! Not a bad line nor angle on it. My visual taste suited to a tee. Thanks
I've never really paid much attention to these before but it's absolutely stunning! Thanks for the education. Simply beautiful.
Thank you for a great summary and explanation of just how amazing these are. Yes please!
Thoroughly enjoyable run through of the Daytona ! The V12 creates a sound to behold - many thanks for sharing.😊
Fantastic video! One of my all-time favourite cars! Brilliantly presented and produced. Thank you soooo much Iain and your team. Please keep content like this coming - it’s amazing 🤩
Super video, fabulous car and amazing, punchy soundtrack!
Lovvvve the Daytona. Great episode, as always. Such an enjoyable part of my Sunday. Cheers from Toronto.
Thank you! Very best to you in Toronto too!
One nerdy thing I've always enjoyed is a cold start, maybe you could include a short clip in future videos with the camera near the exhaust. Thanks again for the great content 👍👍👍.
The test drive! Oh my god! A joy to watch!!! The enthusiasm and the humour! An absolute joy!! Love this channel
Now I understand why the Dino which II think is incredible for its day - didn’t wear the Ferrari badge in this era the bodywork and engineering in the Daytona is exquisite
My highlight of the week is watching your videos 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 thank you 🙏🏼
Thank you!
Wonderful video. That engine has such a wonderful lusty sound. Thanks for making these.
Never seen you so enthusiastic as driving this car. Thanks Eduardo/Almería/Spain
Amazing, thank you Iain for another superb video. I enjoy learning the little details, keep the nerdiness coming :)
Another brilliant video I cannot wait for the next one your passion and knowledge of these cars is a treat to listen to thanks for sharing it with us 😀👌
Outstanding video - I love to hear the real sounds of the car while Mr. Tyrrell poetically explains what is going on with the car and engine. Thank you - I look forward to these videos like I look forward to a glass of good bourbon on a Friday afternoon.
What an amazing car Iain and that sound when you opened the taps was awesome.
Great video as usual, Iain. Nice to know that my humble 2.4 Fiat Dino coupe had the same valve timing as a Daytona. Redlined at 8000, although I only ever went up to 7500, the Dino engine always pulled very smoothly low down and gave a noticeable surge as it hit 4000. Great sound too, needless to say!
Hello. What an amazing machine built with passion. I do remember the "battle" between the Daytona and the Miura, another time...! Thanks for sharing those precious times...
The Miura could never keep up with the Daytona on the motorway. It tended to lift in the front and become extremely dangerous to steer and control. Whilst the Daytona could go on and on with no great shakes. ;-)