I currently own a White/Blanco 1985 Ferrari 400i, with auto trans. Rumor has it that Enzo was getting letters from his "senior aged" customers about having trouble driving & holding their glass of vino, as there are NO cup-holders in the car, (it does have 2 ashtrays & 2 lighters)! Enzo decided an auto trans would be tested, first was a German box, I believe, but they exploded often, the GM TH400 was already being used by other manufactures and a proven heavy-duty unit in trucks and Corvettes...it handled the torque of the V-12 without a problem. The car is very nice to drive and ride, solid and powerful, quiet and luxurious, power brakes, power steering, power windows, a double unit A/C system was available, complete leather interior and it does have an automatic hydraulic independent rear suspension. The Bosch Fuel Injection system is "two" of everything, as Bosch only made 4 cyl, 6 cyl and 8 cyl units with the V-12 requiring 2 of the 6 cyl fuel distributors, 2 warm up units, 2 electric fuel pumps, so the car has a 6 cyl system on each side, the engine will actually run on only one bank! Yes, the main body design lasted 17 years, the longest of any Ferrari design, with changes as stated, taillamps changed from 6 to 4, the hot air vent in the hood went from silver to body color, interior and dash changed, instrument lamps changed from pale blue in 1985 400i to soft red in 1986 412, the wheels also changed in 1986 to a flatter face to accommodate the ABS system added. It has a complete metal tube chassis; the body will lift off in one piece, the hood, doors and rear trunk lid are removeable, but the front fenders and front body bumper are all welded together to the body, there is no way to simply remove a front fender or wing and replace it, all damage to the body is a major job. The power train uses a "torque tube", a hollow tube bolted to the rear of the trans and to the front of the rear diff, which is mounted solid to the frame, no "twisting of the engine or lifting of the front end, all of the power goes to the rear wheels. I bought mine 8 years ago for a very reasonable price as it was a "non-runner" at the time, teaching myself how to work on the car, finding parts, and learning the Bosch FI had it running in 8 months and my investment had doubled in value !
The 365/400/412 is my absolute favourite Ferrari..you can keep all the rest, as nice as they are, this is a classy gentleman's car..along with the Fiat 130 in the garage.😊
High strung and quick is always exciting....but I want to be at peace in the 400’s beautiful interior....myGod I Love this car.....The opening scene of Rainman planted the seed
The original 365 interior is the best - it still has the same chromed door-pulls as the Daytona / the chromed slider controls for heating and ventilation / the "Mickey Mouse ears" toggle switches / less bulky seats etc etc. With a proper wood-rimmed "guilloche" patterned steering wheel, it's still just about a '60s Ferrari interior - big black plastic instrument surrounds and hand-brake grip are a bit naff though - plus the steering-wheel blocks your view of the speedo and rev-counter. The 400 gradually lost all that, as it went for the "1980s HiFi-look" of featureless satin black everything, until you might just as well be sitting inside a wheelie-bin. (After decades of company cars, I came to hate black interiors...)
@@michaelbonade4667 The 412 loses a lot. The higher boot-line / body-coloured bumpers / clear lenses / and flatter styling of the wheels, tales a lot of the "definition" away from the shape. Indicators with clear lenses over amber, never look right - the Rover SD1 came out like this and was greatly improved when they switched to amber indicators. Similarly, Daytona's with the completely amber indicators look so much better than the ones with divided clear/amber lenses. To me, the spinners, Webers, triple tail-lights, no chin-spoiler, and older interior of the 365, make it the "last gasp" of the classic 60's Ferrari. (They are heavy when they land on you, though...)
Many years ago I owned a 1974 Fiat 128 Sport L coupe (in British Racing Green) and it's little 1300 cc engine with dual throat Weber carb sounded brilliant, the raspy sound and burbles this little car produced was amazing.
A minutes walk from my house are two 130 saloons sitting on a drive, one partially covered, one open to the elements. How they have survived after probably 30+ years sitting in English weather I don't quite know.
One of my favourite Ferraris ever and this colour combination is perfect! And as for the Fiat, for those of us old enough who would read first when the new addition of CAR magazine came out it was L.J.K´s first. The way he described handling and the detail he went into for tire choices was a thing of beauty to read!
what a splendid video once again, growing up in the '70-ies and '80-ies I grew to love the typical Pininfarina styling, Fiat 130 coupé, Lancia Gamma, Ferrari 400/412, and even the Rolls Royce Camargue, thank you very much from the Netherlands
Love Pininfarina when he concentrates on straight clean lines, not a fan of his many wavy design's. This is quite a recent insight of mine having to do with this channel, but I believe from these related 70's coupés the Camargue is the masterpiece. Considering it's stance wasn't right at first and the difficulty of the task in the first place makes it more admirable. That Greek temple up front of a modern coupé must have been intimidating to any designer. But if you look at the clarity of the shoulder line and these magnificently sculpted wheel arches, the car might not have worked out but Pininfarina did the most awesome job.
@benzinapaul7416 I didn't dare to add those two.. 😉... sheer elegance for the 504, and class and style for the 604... if they only would have built them in the quality league of Mercedes-Benz... if only...
I've owned a 1993 740iL for years restoring it as my finances have allowed. Just recently the nitrogen canisters in the pressurised rear suspension lost all their gas turning one of the best handling cars into a real bucking bronco. Almost undrivable on the badly maintained New England Hwy. The canisters ate very rare and unavailable in Australia but fortunately the brilliant mechanics that keep the Bimmer in mint condition have finally tracked some down in Germany! Didn't know Ferrari and Citroen used them back in the 70's.
What has surprised me mostly, is how modern the Tipo F101 actually looked at the introduction in 1972 in terms of the aerodynamic styling of the front, and trim refinement all round the car, in the sense that we are essentially looking a rather trivial traditional boxy FR layout in 1972. The dashboard and tunnel arrangement for the year was next level as well. Perhaps not at the magnitude of the M B R107, but certainly into that direction. The sound of the V12 is a majestic experience and hopefully will be a happy chappy after you've worked your wonders. Truly a dignified car 💓
Loved these from when they came out: obviously couldn't afford one as a twelve year old; but even when the collapsed down to about £15k, all the classic magazines referred to this series as "the brave pill". I remember a C&S from the early 90s which mentioned the exhaust replacement alone was £5,000. Beautifully conceived; but as a luxury Gent's express, it's never been a bargain for anyone without deep pockets. Lovely to feature this, and be reminded of that dream- thank you, Iain.
Iain, I love the fact you called the FIAT 130 Coupe a "beautifully rounded car" when it was very clearly designed with only rulers, no French curves! It is still pretty, elegant and sophisticated. I was offered one years back, my wife's uncle was a very successful film editor and had a 130 Coupe in his back garden rotting away. We couldn't work out a deal sadly. But it would have ruinous to get it going and running it. The 400 series Ferrari's were always understated, which is a tough sell in that market. Probably a lot better to own than many would make out, still basically 365 running gear, what is not to like.
Interesting video Iain, I too love the aural soundtrack of many Italian cars. I had a garage in the late 60's-70's and we had a few Ferrari's on our books. One of my favourites was the 330GTC, which I did many miles in and loved it's looks and unassuming styling. Classy.
The 400i was a favourite of mine. Still love the shape today, and have always seen the similarity of the 130 coupe (particularly the rear 3/4 view. I don't like the 412 .....it's the ugly inset wheel pattern which is (I am told) a consequence of ABS fitment. 400i wheels look far better imo.
Finally have a video worth watching...haha. Mr. Ian, I have been anxiously awaited you to feature one of these FOREVER! Thank you for sharing your knowledge of these amazing machines with your special sense of wit and charm. Continued success to you sir!
Excluding the home counties back in 1972 you could by a very nice semi detached house for little more than £4K and a terraced house for about the same price as a Range Rover
I loved the 400 412s when they came out. I still do. A beautiful looking car especially the rear end the 4 exhaustpipes under tge 4 round lights. With that v12. Still quite cheap.
Dad had an Alfa Romeo 2000GTV back on the late sixties early seventies which I was privileged to drive on occasion. As the late Colin Chapman said "add lightness". What a wonderful car to drive. Then later, I owned one of the early Alfasud sedans. Left Scotland in '74 and now in Canada. Those cars are legends now, sadly the Alfasud rusted away. The Alfa 2000 GTV was a beast in the day. The Alfasud handled like nothing I had encountered.. still in my mind today at 75. Love your videos!
Now that there, is a gorgeous color for a Ferrari 👌 Kinda reminds me of Porsche's Yachting Blue Metallic, just a tad more "blue" compared to Yachting....if it was more subdued towards a slate-ish blue, it would be very very close. Regardless, killer color
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Lancia Gamma Coupé that looks like the lovechild of the Fiat 130 and the Ferrari 412, albeit with a dinky engine by comparison.
Mr. Tyrrell, I always enjoy the content of your videos and this was no exception. Since there will be a Part II, may I request an in-depth look at the dual K-Jet setup on the Ferrari 412? For those of us attempting to keep other vehicles equipped with Bosch's K-Jetronic on the road, I believe it would be invaluable to watch you work your magic on this Ferrari's mechanical fuel injection, especially since it will surely require more than just a turn of the idle/ mixture screws. As ever, thank you for the entertaining and informative content, and I shall look forward to watching you re-enact your run to the Wirral Peninsula through the Mersey Tunnel in a Fiat 130. Had the best fish-and-chips ever on the Wirral....
I've said it before and I'll probably say it until the day I die: BL has an awful lot to answer for. As for the 412; always thought it a lovely, clean, crisp design. Looking forward to the second part....
Fiat planned a V8 powered 140 due to fuel crisis and Agnellis Veto against Dante Giacosas OHV all Alloy 4.5 V8 they asked Lamperdi to make a smaller but more modern V6 OHC
Another amazing video, thank you. Italian cars from the 70 and 80ies are my favorites and u always have some beauties to share with us. The 400 has one of the most elegant designs ever. WOW. Love your passion about the 130. For me it’s the GTV6 , the first car I ever bought. Talk about beautiful sound. Thxs again from Southern California!
Love this style of design. Lancia Gamma coupe and De Tomaso Longchamp are also very nice. Car with large windows and a lot of light.RangeRover Classic is the best in class for this ! Nothing to compare with nowadays cars and their short windows ! Modern Chevy Camaro are the worst then!
Oh really? Except Rolls Royce, Mercedes, also Ferrari uses Citroen Suspension? Lets see in time how many more manyfacturers will come out. Very interesting
Fantastic comparison between these two fine machines! I’ve always loved both cars equally, although these days the Fiat just pips the Ferrari in terms of looks, and interest for me.
I always liked these cars. I remember someone my Dad worked with sat on the engine trying to fix one around the late 80s/early 90s when they were worth next to nothing as I recall. Seem to remember them saying that the engine has to come out to get to the distributor? Should have brought one then I guess
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed the yellow Miura going the other way. Strange you didn’t mention it. Was that in your shop for work? I once was offered a 400 in Houston Tx by Ferrari of Houston. The interior looked like a kit car, a bad kit car. We passed on it quickly.
This has always been one of my favorite Ferraris. I love the lines, pop up lights, and the fact that it's every bit of a proper v12 grand tour Ferrari as any other and so undervalued in the market definitely adds to its appeal.
Hi, great vid. As a valeter or in today's speak Detailer. in 1970. I was a wash with V12 E types , and the New XJ6 , "which one day parked 8 new Xjs on the front line just to annoy the owners . Yes childish . But Fiat 130 had a Razor edge to the top of the wing. Stevie Wonder could have ran his hand down that wing and knew it was something special.
They used a black one in the daft punk "Doing It Right" video and then sold it on eBay. I think i watched the auction, it ended up going for under 25 grand.
Ian so true about company politics and the Triumph Stag, and in more recent times a similar issue affects the TVR Tuscan, AJP engine, which was not built as specified, but altered by people who weren't qualified to do so. Two of my favourite cars , saddled with negative stories 😢
Hi, I had 131 mirafiori such a sweet sound car! Really comfortable, great to drive and nice looking but it just fell apart even though it only had 41k miles. Was really sorry to see it go but when the passenger seat collapsed and the headlights filled with water and that’s just from my memory.
Thank you for going into exhaust sounds a little bit! Youth nowadays thinks that it needs to be loud, whilst in reality that is very tiring. An engine should sound like an orchestra!
I think the earlier version of the Ferrari 412 in its 365 GT4 2+2 guise was a much better looking car - the 'flat' wheels for example on the 412 don't do it any justice. My elder brother owned an early auto 400 for a while - a stunning car to drive. A few years back in Tasmania of all places I found a dusty 1979 400i on display in a car museum. It's an ex Ferrari development vehicle retained by them and was the very first one to have the auto trans fitted (it was an ex manual car built in 1975). It started out with a carb fed engine, but was converted to fuel injection by Ferrari. It was used by Ferrari as the launch vehicle for the 400i at the Paris Motor Show in 1979. What makes this one unique is that it has ceiling mounted controls in the headlining for the entertainment system etc ala aircraft style above ones head - looks very smart. It was eventually sold in 1980 by Achilli Motors in Milan. It remained in Italy till 1996 when it new owner took it to Japan, then onto Tasmania. It's all matching numbers and has full Ferrari history and had only done 28,500 miles. Apart from the dust it looked in amazing condition, paint, trim etc. When I saw the 400 it was being advertised 4 sale - clearly a unique and fascinating Ferrari if your into this model.
The 400i is my favorite Ferrari. The 412 had the rear lines changed for the worse. The body line was perfect IMO, but the 412 lifted the trunk line (for aerodynamics?) which I don't love. A neighbor had a 400i and I was absolutely obsessed with it. I wish i could afford the upkeep as I'd have one and a Maserati Khamsin in my 2 car garage.
Talking about exhaust/engine sounds, IMHO, the best and most hair raising is a Ferrari 275 GTB 4. Absolutely glorious. I also enjoyed my FIAT 124 CC Coupe's exhaust too in the Ferrari/FIAT comparison stakes.
What a sound, though! I own, the most original RHD Alfasud Ti in Europe, and have heard a lot of Alfa 33, same engine, big bore exhausts, sounding like Subarus! Next year, I will bring the Kalahari Desert Sud, for you to have a drive. There was definitely something going on with Italian exhausts back then. Great video 💚🤍❤
I saw a Ferrari 365 GT4 2+2 win a category at the Concours of Elegance a couple of years ago. It's a Pininfarina design that I think has stood the test of time and still looks fresh today.
These are beautiful machines and greatly misunderstood, they are, as you mention Grand Tourers, not out and out sports cars. There’s a sense of understatement that is completely lacking in today’s Ferrari’s. 400 my favourite Ferrari for the last 42 years. One day!
The fitting of the GM automatic gearbox to this grand tourer model was a shrewd move and was evidently appreciated by customers. I've read that the model was never officially imported into the US, too. I admire the engineering that goes into a V12 engine but, if I notice a car with a V12 in town traffic, often the sound is a bit 'busy' as if there is too much going on and it's not at its happiest. I wonder how much time is in the service schedule for checking the valve clearances. Thanks for another enthralling video. The comparison with the Fiat was thought provoking. The GT styling of the 400 series also reminds me of some Montiverdi models.
Back in the day I was based in Derbyshire and our CEO was based in Surrey owning a 400i We’d speak to him in Surrey and then he’d arrive in Derbyshire in a remarkably short amount of time. We asked him how fast was he going. Oh about 140 was the answer, adding he’d received a letter from Northampton Police saying they couldn’t catch him and please slow down. The car caught fire and burned out. Ferrari replaced it FOC as it was a known fault.
@@iain_tyrrell I have an old 1993 Escort XR3 Mk5 here in Brazil and I just rechromed its headlight. Night and day difference both in illumination and visually.
FANTASTIC VIDEO AS ALWAYS Tyrell, I always enjoy your analysis & incredible expertise on Italian & other exotics, and this one was no exception, as I hope one day soon I can get one of these stunning Ferrari 412 as my own personal dream car accomplishment, lol. I hear so many stories about Ferrari & their weird policies, and things you can & can't do with your own Ferrari lol. I am with a tech company, & I can now afford any & all Ferrari cars I want, ( I truly love the cars from the 1960s-1990s), but I am impressed with all their modern cars, hybrids, etc, But, more to the point I LOVE your videos & analysis & recommendations. Thank you Tyrell for your expertise & amazing incredible Channel.
Talking about 2 door coupe... LANCIA BETA COUPE.....PLEASE .... especially the u.s. version ... all leather interior 1800cc engine ..oh yes nice .. very nice ... just right without the emission controll ..oops I digress ...but any LANCIA BETA COUPE THANK YOU ..... come on get a LANCIA ON THIS VIDEO ....but great cara here anyway.. thank you ha ha company politics re... Italian cars ...h ha ha ...be carefull ...next they will not let into Italy... get it ..yeah ...😊❤😊
Dear Iain, Thanks for this-really interesting stuff, as always. Fiat 130s are a bit thin on the ground here in Australia but I've long admired them. I see a touch of Peugeot 604 DNA in their front treatment actually. Of the various 2+2 365/400 series, I am inclined to think that the original 365 GT4 2+2 remains definitely the one to pick: It still has the cleanest lines, in my view; I would always accept the task of tuning carburettors, occasionally, over the complications inherent in aging fuel injection systems; the 365 takes sensibly-sized tyres (on beautiful centre lock wheels) instead of megabuck metric items; and, if one is going to own an Italian V12, the 6500rpm redline of the larger engines just doesn't seem as appealing as the revvier 4.4. But what do you think? Are there compelling reliability, or longevity reasons to seek out one particular specification over others? Or should I remain focused on that Bizzarini 12 in an Espada? I'm sorry I've been AWOL for a couple of months, but catching anything you broadcast is always a highlight of my weekends. The channel goes from strength to strength. Keep up the good work, Iain, and many thanks. Best, Brett
Thanks Brett for your kind comments and support. And welcome back! You post some interesting questions there. The 400 was also very popular as an auto. As a driver’s car the 365 is the most raw. But there are so many ways of cutting this!
The casual Mura driveby at 18:23.. Like it was 1975.. LOL
the one in his workshop
I was thinking the same:) Bonkers!!!
Thought my eyes had deceived me, had to rewind!
Always so engaging
IT and HM , two national treasures
Thanks for mentioning this-a very good spot. I think I noticed it in the workshop earlier-maybe it was out on its own road test.
I currently own a White/Blanco 1985 Ferrari 400i, with auto trans. Rumor has it that Enzo was getting letters from his "senior aged" customers about having trouble driving & holding their glass of vino, as there are NO cup-holders in the car, (it does have 2 ashtrays & 2 lighters)! Enzo decided an auto trans would be tested, first was a German box, I believe, but they exploded often, the GM TH400 was already being used by other manufactures and a proven heavy-duty unit in trucks and Corvettes...it handled the torque of the V-12 without a problem. The car is very nice to drive and ride, solid and powerful, quiet and luxurious, power brakes, power steering, power windows, a double unit A/C system was available, complete leather interior and it does have an automatic hydraulic independent rear suspension. The Bosch Fuel Injection system is "two" of everything, as Bosch only made 4 cyl, 6 cyl and 8 cyl units with the V-12 requiring 2 of the 6 cyl fuel distributors, 2 warm up units, 2 electric fuel pumps, so the car has a 6 cyl system on each side, the engine will actually run on only one bank! Yes, the main body design lasted 17 years, the longest of any Ferrari design, with changes as stated, taillamps changed from 6 to 4, the hot air vent in the hood went from silver to body color, interior and dash changed, instrument lamps changed from pale blue in 1985 400i to soft red in 1986 412, the wheels also changed in 1986 to a flatter face to accommodate the ABS system added. It has a complete metal tube chassis; the body will lift off in one piece, the hood, doors and rear trunk lid are removeable, but the front fenders and front body bumper are all welded together to the body, there is no way to simply remove a front fender or wing and replace it, all damage to the body is a major job. The power train uses a "torque tube", a hollow tube bolted to the rear of the trans and to the front of the rear diff, which is mounted solid to the frame, no "twisting of the engine or lifting of the front end, all of the power goes to the rear wheels.
I bought mine 8 years ago for a very reasonable price as it was a "non-runner" at the time, teaching myself how to work on the car, finding parts, and learning the Bosch FI had it running in 8 months and my investment had doubled in value !
The other thing is Ferrari clutches were so stiff, you would need a hip replacement if you were over 50 years of age to keep driving it.
Good job you can do all the work yourself, otherwise instead of doubling your investment you might have halved it. Anyway, well done. Fab car.
I’ve always liked the looks of Ferrari’s 400 series. It was my favorite looking Ferrari 2+2 of all time, until the 456 arrived in the 90s.
I was going to say the same thing - you beat me to it!
we are probably all GEN Xers that’s why lol! Close in age anyway. Love these
I agree
It's styling has held up quite well over the years. That GM slushbox started the slippery slope toward the all automatics offerings of today though.
Have you been hit on the head?
Aha! What a blast! First Harry and now Iain. These two car channels are simply the best. Thank you so much! I love these weekly instalments!
For me, Sunday mornings are John with Auto Shenanigans, Harry and Ian. Then i can get on with my week
@@shankarbalan3813 Who’s this Harry chap?
@@shankarbalan3813 Who’s this Harry chap?
Harrys Garage - channel from ex EVO magazine Editor-in-chief. @@Paul-tk2my
I have always believed the 365/400/412 to be a very underestimated car. Glad to hear that Iain agrees.
Yet its hideous. Looks like a squashed rover vittese
I agree totally. Always thought of it as the perfect GT, mixing elegance, comfort and power perfectly.
One of his best quotes I’ve heard yet, “A lot of people are only good at destroying expensive machinery”❗️SO very true!!
That really made chuckle!
A Lamborghini Miura drives past and you don’t even react! You’re spoiled, Iain 😂
Probably from his workshop, that's why.
Actually can't wait for the exhaust tech video
Thanks! A colleague in my DC days had a 400. When she started it in the underground parking garage, it was epic. All the best.
The 365/400/412 is my absolute favourite Ferrari..you can keep all the rest, as nice as they are, this is a classy gentleman's car..along with the Fiat 130 in the garage.😊
My Father had a 365GT4 2+2 back in the 80's . I was originally a Jersey car, DYF 51V. It's still around somewhere.
High strung and quick is always exciting....but I want to be at peace in the 400’s beautiful interior....myGod I Love this car.....The opening scene of Rainman planted the seed
The original 365 interior is the best - it still has the same chromed door-pulls as the Daytona / the chromed slider controls for heating and ventilation / the "Mickey Mouse ears" toggle switches / less bulky seats etc etc. With a proper wood-rimmed "guilloche" patterned steering wheel, it's still just about a '60s Ferrari interior - big black plastic instrument surrounds and hand-brake grip are a bit naff though - plus the steering-wheel blocks your view of the speedo and rev-counter. The 400 gradually lost all that, as it went for the "1980s HiFi-look" of featureless satin black everything, until you might just as well be sitting inside a wheelie-bin. (After decades of company cars, I came to hate black interiors...)
The 365 does have a less cluttered looking , sleeker exterior as well….
@@michaelbonade4667 The 412 loses a lot. The higher boot-line / body-coloured bumpers / clear lenses / and flatter styling of the wheels, tales a lot of the "definition" away from the shape. Indicators with clear lenses over amber, never look right - the Rover SD1 came out like this and was greatly improved when they switched to amber indicators. Similarly, Daytona's with the completely amber indicators look so much better than the ones with divided clear/amber lenses. To me, the spinners, Webers, triple tail-lights, no chin-spoiler, and older interior of the 365, make it the "last gasp" of the classic 60's Ferrari. (They are heavy when they land on you, though...)
Thank you so much! My west coast (USA) Sunday morning is now complete. Best wishes Ian!
Thank you!
Many years ago I owned a 1974 Fiat 128 Sport L coupe (in British Racing Green) and it's little 1300 cc engine with dual throat Weber carb sounded brilliant, the raspy sound and burbles this little car produced was amazing.
A different era
A minutes walk from my house are two 130 saloons sitting on a drive, one partially covered, one open to the elements.
How they have survived after probably 30+ years sitting in English weather I don't quite know.
One of my favourite Ferraris ever and this colour combination is perfect! And as for the Fiat, for those of us old enough who would read first when the new addition of CAR magazine came out it was L.J.K´s first. The way he described handling and the detail he went into for tire choices was a thing of beauty to read!
Great colour
Thanks for mentioning L.J.K, what a phenomenal writer and character he was, there was never quite a motor journalist like him
Too true. CAR had some great writers at the time. I still remember LJK waxing lirical about Honda Prelude. @@fb30xhk
what a splendid video once again, growing up in the '70-ies and '80-ies I grew to love the typical Pininfarina styling, Fiat 130 coupé, Lancia Gamma, Ferrari 400/412, and even the Rolls Royce Camargue, thank you very much from the Netherlands
Love Pininfarina when he concentrates on straight clean lines, not a fan of his many wavy design's. This is quite a recent insight of mine having to do with this channel, but I believe from these related 70's coupés the Camargue is the masterpiece. Considering it's stance wasn't right at first and the difficulty of the task in the first place makes it more admirable. That Greek temple up front of a modern coupé must have been intimidating to any designer.
But if you look at the clarity of the shoulder line and these magnificently sculpted wheel arches, the car might not have worked out but Pininfarina did the most awesome job.
I also throw in the Peugeot 504 Coupe and 604 to this group
@benzinapaul7416 I didn't dare to add those two.. 😉... sheer elegance for the 504, and class and style for the 604... if they only would have built them in the quality league of Mercedes-Benz... if only...
Thank you!
Agnelli had the best Ferrari, the one with the central driving position long before McLaren - the 365 P Berlinetta Speciale.
Could you please do a technical deep dive on the suspension and engine repair on the 412? The longer and the more technical, the better.
Thanks for the suggestions. Stay tuned for Part 2
I've owned a 1993 740iL for years restoring it as my finances have allowed. Just recently the nitrogen canisters in the pressurised rear suspension lost all their gas turning one of the best handling cars into a real bucking bronco. Almost undrivable on the badly maintained New England Hwy. The canisters ate very rare and unavailable in Australia but fortunately the brilliant mechanics that keep the Bimmer in mint condition have finally tracked some down in Germany! Didn't know Ferrari and Citroen used them back in the 70's.
@@kmacca-qldaus: And Rolls-Royce. And Mercedes-Benz. And Maserati.
Oh yes! @@iain_tyrrellmore technical the better.
What has surprised me mostly, is how modern the Tipo F101 actually looked at the introduction in 1972 in terms of the aerodynamic styling of the front, and trim refinement all round the car, in the sense that we are essentially looking a rather trivial traditional boxy FR layout in 1972. The dashboard and tunnel arrangement for the year was next level as well. Perhaps not at the magnitude of the M B R107, but certainly into that direction. The sound of the V12 is a majestic experience and hopefully will be a happy chappy after you've worked your wonders. Truly a dignified car 💓
Timeless lines and proportions, but back then, it was very modern/advanced design. Might be one of the first cars with an integrated bumper.
An understated Ferrari. A dream car.
These videos are a delight. The depth of your knowledge and passion is wonderful.
Thank you!
Loved these from when they came out: obviously couldn't afford one as a twelve year old; but even when the collapsed down to about £15k, all the classic magazines referred to this series as "the brave pill". I remember a C&S from the early 90s which mentioned the exhaust replacement alone was £5,000. Beautifully conceived; but as a luxury Gent's express, it's never been a bargain for anyone without deep pockets. Lovely to feature this, and be reminded of that dream- thank you, Iain.
Yes, the maintenance bills can be horrendous
Not more expensive compared to a crappy Jaguar XJS V12
Iain,
I love the fact you called the FIAT 130 Coupe a "beautifully rounded car" when it was very clearly designed with only rulers, no French curves!
It is still pretty, elegant and sophisticated.
I was offered one years back, my wife's uncle was a very successful film editor and had a 130 Coupe in his back garden rotting away. We couldn't work out a deal sadly. But it would have ruinous to get it going and running it.
The 400 series Ferrari's were always understated, which is a tough sell in that market.
Probably a lot better to own than many would make out, still basically 365 running gear, what is not to like.
Interesting video Iain, I too love the aural soundtrack of many Italian cars. I had a garage in the late 60's-70's and we had a few Ferrari's on our books. One of my favourites was the 330GTC, which I did many miles in and loved it's looks and unassuming styling. Classy.
The 400i was a favourite of mine.
Still love the shape today, and have always seen the similarity of the 130 coupe (particularly the rear 3/4 view.
I don't like the 412 .....it's the ugly inset wheel pattern which is (I am told) a consequence of ABS fitment.
400i wheels look far better imo.
L’Avocato is one of my all time heroes. His incredibly reckless driving was legendary and nearly the death of him. Thanks for a great episode!
“There’s no frisson of frequencies going on”
So very British 😂. You’re quite the wordsmith Mr. T. Greetings from the USA 🇺🇸
Thank you! Greetings to you too!
Only missing a Lancia Gamma Coupe 2500 S1 (and a Rolls Camargue) to see all the design variations that were carried on by Pininfarina.
Finally have a video worth watching...haha. Mr. Ian, I have been anxiously awaited you to feature one of these FOREVER! Thank you for sharing your knowledge of these amazing machines with your special sense of wit and charm. Continued success to you sir!
Well thank you!🙏
If only this video was 90 minutes plus injury time long.
Would be nice to have a tour of the 412, particularly its interior.
I’ve been waiting for this review for quite some time. What a delight
Excluding the home counties back in 1972 you could by a very nice semi detached house for little more than £4K and a terraced house for about the same price as a Range Rover
Puts things in perspective!
412 is more desirable to me than 456 GT, partly because it sounds more musical ❤
I’ve always loved the design of the Fiat 130 coupe and the Ferrari 412. I always felt that the Bitter SC design could have been inspired by the 412.
No more by the Peugeot 604 and Fat 130
Ian has a rare combination of congeniality and common sense. A joy to watch.
Thank you!
Really love the 412
yes, some "deep intel" regarding exhaust technology by country would be a delight to learn about!
Such elegant cars. Hope you can do a follow-up video and take her out again once the issues are resolved, Iain.
Thanks. I’m sure we can
I loved the 400 412s when they came out. I still do. A beautiful looking car especially the rear end the 4 exhaustpipes under tge 4 round lights. With that v12. Still quite cheap.
Yes, they are quite cheap for the moment! You couldn’t give them away years ago but things are changing
Dad had an Alfa Romeo 2000GTV back on the late sixties early seventies which I was privileged to drive on occasion. As the late Colin Chapman said "add lightness". What a wonderful car to drive. Then later, I owned one of the early Alfasud sedans. Left Scotland in '74 and now in Canada. Those cars are legends now, sadly the Alfasud rusted away.
The Alfa 2000 GTV was a beast in the day. The Alfasud handled like nothing I had encountered.. still in my mind today at 75.
Love your videos!
Now that there, is a gorgeous color for a Ferrari 👌
Kinda reminds me of Porsche's Yachting Blue Metallic, just a tad more "blue" compared to Yachting....if it was more subdued towards a slate-ish blue, it would be very very close. Regardless, killer color
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Lancia Gamma Coupé that looks like the lovechild of the Fiat 130 and the Ferrari 412, albeit with a dinky engine by comparison.
Mr. Tyrrell, I always enjoy the content of your videos and this was no exception. Since there will be a Part II, may I request an in-depth look at the dual K-Jet setup on the Ferrari 412? For those of us attempting to keep other vehicles equipped with Bosch's K-Jetronic on the road, I believe it would be invaluable to watch you work your magic on this Ferrari's mechanical fuel injection, especially since it will surely require more than just a turn of the idle/ mixture screws.
As ever, thank you for the entertaining and informative content, and I shall look forward to watching you re-enact your run to the Wirral Peninsula through the Mersey Tunnel in a Fiat 130. Had the best fish-and-chips ever on the Wirral....
I will indeed be looking at the fuel systems. Thanks for sharing!
I've said it before and I'll probably say it until the day I die: BL has an awful lot to answer for. As for the 412; always thought it a lovely, clean, crisp design. Looking forward to the second part....
Very smooth @ 17:26 one of the other cars in the shop going past like it's an everyday occurrence lol
Fiat planned a V8 powered 140 due to fuel crisis and Agnellis Veto against Dante Giacosas OHV all Alloy 4.5 V8 they asked Lamperdi to make a smaller but more modern V6 OHC
Very interesting- thanks
I’m going to wade in here and make a controversial comment. Ferraris are nice but my love is Lamborghinis, Miura , Espada, and Countach.
Another amazing video, thank you. Italian cars from the 70 and 80ies are my favorites and u always have some beauties to share with us. The 400 has one of the most elegant designs ever. WOW. Love your passion about the 130. For me it’s the GTV6 , the first car I ever bought. Talk about beautiful sound. Thxs again from Southern California!
Thanks! Glad you enjoy the content, and greetings to you in CA!
Warms my heart,that in that pricelist at 10:45 ish under the 1972 Range Rover,you can see a SAAB 95 Kombi,with a Köln Ford 1765cc V-4.
Love this style of design. Lancia Gamma coupe and De Tomaso Longchamp are also very nice. Car with large windows and a lot of light.RangeRover Classic is the best in class for this ! Nothing to compare with nowadays cars and their short windows ! Modern Chevy Camaro are the worst then!
Oh really? Except Rolls Royce, Mercedes, also Ferrari uses Citroen Suspension? Lets see in time how many more manyfacturers will come out. Very interesting
Fantastic comparison between these two fine machines!
I’ve always loved both cars equally, although these days the Fiat just pips the Ferrari in terms of looks, and interest for me.
Range Rover back then was just a comfier Landy with a thirsty engine. DIdn't even have eleccy windows, unlike the Stage of the same era.
I always liked these cars. I remember someone my Dad worked with sat on the engine trying to fix one around the late 80s/early 90s when they were worth next to nothing as I recall. Seem to remember them saying that the engine has to come out to get to the distributor? Should have brought one then I guess
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed the yellow Miura going the other way. Strange you didn’t mention it. Was that in your shop for work? I once was offered a 400 in Houston Tx by Ferrari of Houston. The interior looked like a kit car, a bad kit car. We passed on it quickly.
Yes, the Miura was out on road test
This has always been one of my favorite Ferraris. I love the lines, pop up lights, and the fact that it's every bit of a proper v12 grand tour Ferrari as any other and so undervalued in the market definitely adds to its appeal.
Not any more you PayPal 200.000 Euro for one
Passes the yellow Miura from the shop, nothing said.
I’m going to travel from Australia and pitch a rent on that roundabout.
Hi, great vid. As a valeter or in today's speak Detailer. in 1970. I was a wash with V12 E types , and the New XJ6 , "which one day parked 8 new Xjs on the front line just to annoy the owners . Yes childish . But Fiat 130 had a Razor edge to the top of the wing. Stevie Wonder could have ran his hand down that wing and knew it was something special.
The supplier of the boot locks must have doubled its sales figures selling them for both the Ferrari and the Cadillac...
They used a black one in the daft punk "Doing It Right" video and then sold it on eBay. I think i watched the auction, it ended up going for under 25 grand.
Ian so true about company politics and the Triumph Stag, and in more recent times a similar issue affects the TVR Tuscan, AJP engine, which was not built as specified, but altered by people who weren't qualified to do so. Two of my favourite cars , saddled with negative stories 😢
View Rain Man, and interesting this model Ferrari, but UA-cam very small information for this model
How can I boost views about my Fiat 130 video? Let me title it _“Ferrari 412“_ 🤷🏻♂️
Loved reading LJK SETRIGHT ,s ramblings .
He was a good motoring journalist and had a regular column in Bike magazine. He was something of an admirable eccentric too.
Raspy exhaust 's
Fist 131 sporting
Fiat 132
Had the lot in the day 👍
Thanks for the memories
Hi, I had 131 mirafiori such a sweet sound car! Really comfortable, great to drive and nice looking but it just fell apart even though it only had 41k miles. Was really sorry to see it go but when the passenger seat collapsed and the headlights filled with water and that’s just from my memory.
Yes Yes Yes👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for sharing Sir IAIN, Love your work👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you!
Thank you for going into exhaust sounds a little bit! Youth nowadays thinks that it needs to be loud, whilst in reality that is very tiring. An engine should sound like an orchestra!
I think the earlier version of the Ferrari 412 in its 365 GT4 2+2 guise was a much better looking car - the 'flat' wheels for example on the 412 don't do it any justice.
My elder brother owned an early auto 400 for a while - a stunning car to drive.
A few years back in Tasmania of all places I found a dusty 1979 400i on display in a car museum. It's an ex Ferrari development vehicle retained by them and was the very first one to have the auto trans fitted (it was an ex manual car built in 1975). It started out with a carb fed engine, but was converted to fuel injection by Ferrari. It was used by Ferrari as the launch vehicle for the 400i at the Paris Motor Show in 1979. What makes this one unique is that it has ceiling mounted controls in the headlining for the entertainment system etc ala aircraft style above ones head - looks very smart. It was eventually sold in 1980 by Achilli Motors in Milan. It remained in Italy till 1996 when it new owner took it to Japan, then onto Tasmania. It's all matching numbers and has full Ferrari history and had only done 28,500 miles. Apart from the dust it looked in amazing condition, paint, trim etc. When I saw the 400 it was being advertised 4 sale - clearly a unique and fascinating Ferrari if your into this model.
Thank you- very interesting
Yeah - "humble little FIAT" priced twice of Range Rover... 🤪
Oh wow, BMW’s e28 stole the taillights from this FIAT, or vice versa…
What I like about Iain is he's so knowledgeable and so discerning. A real pleasure to listen to. A contrast from other car YTers I could name...
Oh! I wish we could live in a tunnel and with a Ferrari? At least a little while~
The 400i is my favorite Ferrari. The 412 had the rear lines changed for the worse. The body line was perfect IMO, but the 412 lifted the trunk line (for aerodynamics?) which I don't love. A neighbor had a 400i and I was absolutely obsessed with it. I wish i could afford the upkeep as I'd have one and a Maserati Khamsin in my 2 car garage.
Nice choice!
This video is all over the shop, from Fiat to Stags, Miura passing by. Love it.
I look at the front of the 412 and I keep seeing Rover SD2 :/, I think I need a vacation.
Talking about exhaust/engine sounds, IMHO, the best and most hair raising is a Ferrari 275 GTB 4. Absolutely glorious. I also enjoyed my FIAT 124 CC Coupe's exhaust too in the Ferrari/FIAT comparison stakes.
Be sure to take a Triumph Stag when you go to the tunnel Ian. Glorious sounding V8
They do sound rather lovely!
Personally prefer the Fiat 130 coupe, despite deficient in cylinder numbers and outright performance
What a sound, though! I own, the most original RHD Alfasud Ti in Europe, and have heard a lot of Alfa 33, same engine, big bore exhausts, sounding like Subarus! Next year, I will bring the Kalahari Desert Sud, for you to have a drive. There was definitely something going on with Italian exhausts back then. Great video 💚🤍❤
It was a 1977 Alfasud Ti, pea green, which used to scream down our road when I was a boy, that got me started on Alfa Romeo. I’m on my third.
@@simonhodgetts6530 I read about Alfasuds in 1981, and I sure I’m on the last of 7 I’ve owned 😂
For Steve Austin, special price my friend, £5 995 000 vat in.
I saw a Ferrari 365 GT4 2+2 win a category at the Concours of Elegance a couple of years ago. It's a Pininfarina design that I think has stood the test of time and still looks fresh today.
These are beautiful machines and greatly misunderstood, they are, as you mention Grand Tourers, not out and out sports cars. There’s a sense of understatement that is completely lacking in today’s Ferrari’s. 400 my favourite Ferrari for the last 42 years. One day!
In the next video you have to capture the slow whir on startup.
The fitting of the GM automatic gearbox to this grand tourer model was a shrewd move and was evidently appreciated by customers. I've read that the model was never officially imported into the US, too. I admire the engineering that goes into a V12 engine but, if I notice a car with a V12 in town traffic, often the sound is a bit 'busy' as if there is too much going on and it's not at its happiest. I wonder how much time is in the service schedule for checking the valve clearances.
Thanks for another enthralling video. The comparison with the Fiat was thought provoking. The GT styling of the 400 series also reminds me of some Montiverdi models.
A Monteverdi 375/4
Now that's a car I'd like you to review
My boss at the time always had Ferraris, and he bought one of these so he could get his golf clubs in.
Whenever I hear a mechanic say "I've done a lot of work on these cars"............
Back in the day I was based in Derbyshire and our CEO was based in Surrey owning a 400i We’d speak to him in Surrey and then he’d arrive in Derbyshire in a remarkably short amount of time. We asked him how fast was he going. Oh about 140 was the answer, adding he’d received a letter from Northampton Police saying they couldn’t catch him and please slow down. The car caught fire and burned out. Ferrari replaced it FOC as it was a known fault.
I love the Fiat 130. This one you showed need a rechroming on the headlamps. It will look a lot better.
Yes, a lot of them do
@@iain_tyrrell I have an old 1993 Escort XR3 Mk5 here in Brazil and I just rechromed its headlight. Night and day difference both in illumination and visually.
When you’re out for a test drive and a yellow Muira approaches.
FANTASTIC VIDEO AS ALWAYS Tyrell, I always enjoy your analysis & incredible expertise on Italian & other exotics, and this one was no exception, as I hope one day soon I can get one of these stunning Ferrari 412 as my own personal dream car accomplishment, lol. I hear so many stories about Ferrari & their weird policies, and things you can & can't do with your own Ferrari lol. I am with a tech company, & I can now afford any & all Ferrari cars I want, ( I truly love the cars from the 1960s-1990s), but I am impressed with all their modern cars, hybrids, etc, But, more to the point I LOVE your videos & analysis & recommendations. Thank you Tyrell for your expertise & amazing incredible Channel.
Thank you! Much appreciated
All the nice cars that DON’T come into the workshop are a good buying advice 😂😂
Every cars needs some work at some point, but yes, some more than others
E10 fuel...i only use v power more mpg..engine runs much sweeter
Talking about 2 door coupe... LANCIA BETA COUPE.....PLEASE .... especially the u.s. version ... all leather interior 1800cc engine ..oh yes nice .. very nice ... just right without the emission controll ..oops I digress ...but any LANCIA BETA COUPE THANK YOU ..... come on get a LANCIA ON THIS VIDEO ....but great cara here anyway.. thank you ha ha company politics re... Italian cars ...h ha ha ...be carefull ...next they will not let into Italy... get it ..yeah ...😊❤😊
We may get a Beta into the workshop but we’ll see!
"If it ain't broke, don't ftx it" applies to design as well as maintenance.
I hate it so much when manufacturers ruin a design trying to modernize it. "MkIIs" and "phase 2s" almost always look like a botched job.
My philosophy has always been "If it ain't broke, fix it until it is broke!"😎
I liked this Ferrari before everyone else! 😊 I have a TH400 in my Buick Riviera!
Quite an elegant design , as is the Fiat 130 . Both beautiful cars
Dear Iain,
Thanks for this-really interesting stuff, as always. Fiat 130s are a bit thin on the ground here in Australia but I've long admired them. I see a touch of Peugeot 604 DNA in their front treatment actually.
Of the various 2+2 365/400 series, I am inclined to think that the original 365 GT4 2+2 remains definitely the one to pick: It still has the cleanest lines, in my view; I would always accept the task of tuning carburettors, occasionally, over the complications inherent in aging fuel injection systems; the 365 takes sensibly-sized tyres (on beautiful centre lock wheels) instead of megabuck metric items; and, if one is going to own an Italian V12, the 6500rpm redline of the larger engines just doesn't seem as appealing as the revvier 4.4.
But what do you think? Are there compelling reliability, or longevity reasons to seek out one particular specification over others? Or should I remain focused on that Bizzarini 12 in an Espada?
I'm sorry I've been AWOL for a couple of months, but catching anything you broadcast is always a highlight of my weekends. The channel goes from strength to strength. Keep up the good work, Iain, and many thanks.
Best,
Brett
Thanks Brett for your kind comments and support. And welcome back!
You post some interesting questions there. The 400 was also very popular as an auto.
As a driver’s car the 365 is the most raw. But there are so many ways of cutting this!
I have relations in Liverpool, used to love going through the Mersy Tunnel as a kid when we visited them. Love the Six Million Dollar Man reference 😂