The actual truth is, we can both have the exact same rife and use the exact same bullets from the same box, one rifle will shoot them different then the other. Each rifle is it’s own bullet launcher and it will prefer certain bullets that another rifle will not shoot as well. Even if that rifle shoots say 165 gr from one lot it might not shoot as well with the same bullet from a different lot.
Very true. When rifling is cut in the barrel, each barrel has different imperfections that will affect the point of impact. Once the barrel has been broken in with the series of shooting and cleaning then that's when you know what it likes.
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My old Savage 30-06 really liked the 165 gr best but the 180’s shot well enough, just lower. It was pretty good with 150’s too. That was a sweet rifle that I gave to a family member. It’s trigger was amazing!
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I have the same exact rifle. My other 308s tend to prefer the 168, but the ruger American does very much like the 150s. Refloated the barrel and reinforced the stock and getting 1/2 inch groups @ 100yds. Poor man's precision rifle.
I have two .308's I use a lot. The SPS Rem Model 700 and the Savage Apex 110 hunter. Both like 150-168, grain quality ammo, and my groups at 100 yds with both rifles, and they are both always within .5" groups...always. I'm confused with the Rugar conversation and this rifle. The vice he was using should not allow for that much variation. Three concerns: 1.) The Rifle, 2.) The ammo, and 3.) the scope. With my mid-range Leopold 12 power scope, and the Vortex on the Savage Apex, I shoot tight groups always, but have never shot that green tip Remington ammo. I'm wondering if it's not loaded very consistently. Shooting Hornady ELD or Match grade ammo, and Winchester Silver tip ammo, I'm always tight on my groups with NO adjustments at 100 yds from 150-168, and 176 Match grade ammo with my two setups. Love my .308's!
I do have to say my most impressive shot group was with Smith&Wesson AR10 sport ll with 5R Rifling, using 150GR Hornady American White Tail, all 5 shots at 100 yards were in bullseye and completely removed the orange bulls eye 🎯
My .308 is the same, WTW! I tried a number of bullet weights, and different brands. I tried a bunch of Hornady and my Weatherby spit them everywhere. Then I went to Federal and Norma and I shot sub-MOA with both! Both at 150 grain. Anything higher and I spray rounds to 2-3 inch groups! Love the content! Real world stuff here
I have an ultra cheap boolot slinger in size 308 that shoots crazy good. Took her to the range one day with 4 or 5 different brands of candy all in 150g. Mixed them up randomly in the magazine... it put them all inside an inch. 😎👍
Over the years I've told my son the same thing. And we've passed this on to his boys (he has four). Of the six of us five shoot the 7mm mag. I'm not as picky as they are because I don't shoot the ranges they do. But each one has to use a different load for there rifle to get the accuracy they are after. So as you were saying to get the most out of your firearm you have to do a bit of shooting with different weights and brands of ammo. Thanks for your videos!
Normally I’m only looking for minute of man or deer. Ive found most ammo is good enough at 100-150 yds. Which in my deer woods , works just fine for me.
I've known this for years but it really hit home when I bought 2 identical 308 rifles. One rifle prefers 125 grain Speer bullets pushed by IMR 4064 powder. The other prefers 165 grain Sierra bullets pushed by IMR 3031 powder.
My Remington ‘06 favors the 180gr Core Lokts, and my daughter’s identical rifle does better with 165gr CL’s. Every gun is different in its own way. Great video, very informative. 👍
My Savage Model 10FPSR in .308. 20 inch barrel 1 in 10 twist, will shoot 168 grain standard load boat tail ammo point of aim all day long (Federal Sierra Match King, Winchester Ballistic Silver tip and E tip......) Now even the Hornady Superformance in a 168 A max will start to scatter a bit versus the standard load. Most anything in a 150 grain will scatter about 2 inches, 180's will scatter about 3 inches plus drop 4. (All at 100 yards.)
He is right you need to check all rounds for impact. I shoot different grain and write on box new scope zero for that round. ie: 4 click R 3 click U exc.
When I buy a new rifle I buy every brand and weight of factory ammo in that caliber I can find until I find what it likes to eat! I have a Savage .270 that just would not group anything, better than 3”, until I found some Hornady Outfitter, which uses a 130 grain solid copper bullet, and it shot a 1/2” group at 100 yards with that. Hand loading is a little different. If I want to use a heavy 180 grain bullet in my 30.06, which loves factory 150 grain bullets, I can fine tune a load that will shoot the heavier bullets.
I was going to reply to WTW on my B14 Ridge in 30-06 and I saw your reply. I reload in my shop and my shooting range is about 75 yards from my shop so I'm able to make most any bullet shoot from my Bergara. I'll start max then go low a half grain at a time and usually I can make it shoot about anything. After the break-in I settled for the Barnes TTSX in 165 grain. Clover leaf 3 shot groups at 100. Depending on twist rates and the range of weight bullets that twist rate allows, I've came to the conclusion in my mind that if you reload and you have time you can make about any bullet you want to try, shoot good. I think it has to do with speed and pressure also. Anyways thats my 2 cents. Always like to chime in on WTW's videos.
Yeah, I've got a Savage 111 in 270, and can't get it to group under about 3 inches. Will try some more loads, and the Outfitters, if I can find them here in AUS.
We’ve had issues with my son’s Savage 111 in 270 Win as well, and like WTW’s RA in 308, it definitely hasn’t found a heavy bullet cartridge it likes. While I don’t necessarily recommend the Winchester Deer Season XP 130’s because of fragmentation, that’s what shot best for my son. I’m wanting to try some copper monolithic loads in his gun, though, so I’m grateful for John Knouse’s input. Thankfully the Norma Whitetail 130 g soft points shot well out of it last year because that’s about all I could find for it then.
@@davidrussell631 that gun about drove me to drink (more)! I took 6 or 7 different types and weights of ammo to the range after I got it, thinking I’d be there an hour or so. I was there over 4 hours! It was a slow day, so the range officer was sitting next to me, and spotting for me. I’m sure after the first couple groups he thought I had no idea how to shoot! It would put 2 pretty close together (about 1” or so) then throw the 3rd, 2 or 3 inches away. Every time! If I remember right, the Outfitter was the last box I had to try. 3 shots in damn near the same hole! Made a scope adjustment up and to the left, and center punched it! I have 3 or 4 boxes on hand, but I eventually worked up a pretty good load with some Hornady 130 grain interlocks that I hunted with last year. I’ve also had good luck with the Norma in almost every caliber I’ve tried. I have a cheap Savage Axis .308, that will shoot 3/4” groups at 100 with it, but doesn’t like much else.
It would almost be nice if bullet manufactures offered 5 round boxes for cheap so people could test there rifles for what it likes best. That being said most rifle manufacturers if you read the manual will tell you what ammunition and bullet weight is recommended for the rifle
My fav is Remington .270 Core-Loks in 130 or 150 grains. They shoot VERY similar. But 150 grain is what I am most confident with (That's what I started out with in 1986!). In the smokepole, .50 cal T/C molded boo-lots in 275 grain with 90 grains of powder. I practice with 75 grains of powder. I heat it up with 90 grains for a deer load just for a little extra range.
@@nicholaschapman8360 Hornady makes a fine cartridge too. I'd stay away from ballistic tip bullets from ANY manufacturer, if you're looking for a deer round. Ruins too much meat. But those are very good on varmits.
A great video and an honest review for sure! A lot of factors enter into this accuracy situation and you touched on a few. In my experience with my trusted and treasured Winchester 30'06 Manlicher, it simply prefers 165-grain bullets, but it will also shoot 180s as well. But the barrel is heavier. Barrell twists rates are critical too, since I have an old Weatherby .270 magnum that shoots great with 130-grain bullets, but will not stabilize 150-grain bullets. In fact at 25 yards you could see the bullet's tumble, and a three-shot group was recorded as a "Z"! I discussed this with NOSLER, and they informed me that the twist rate of the old (JAPAN) Weatherby's was simply too slow to stabilize those bullet weights! NOSLER was great about sending me an exchange and replaced both boxes of the 150 weights with custom .130 grain bullets. Now that's great customer service for sure! PS I love your paper plate targets that's a great idea!
These types of videos are great and very helpful it just goes to show that different Bing Bangs like different ammo. My HOWA .30-06 likes the 180GR. better so your 100% correct you need to test and see what works best for your platform. Great video im looking forward to the next video later today. WTW!!!!!
It is crazy how this is. I have a different .308 rifle with the same 1:10 twist. My barrel is 2" shorter. My bing bang hates the lighter boolots. It loves the 168gr and up. Anything lighter and I'll have 4" to 8" groups. Crazy! Love you content. Keep it up! Thanks a million...
I think that Ruger has 1:10 twist, makes perfect sense it shoots 150s better than 180s. 308 is a fine cartridge, but it and 556, I just use for ARs and only have for shtf. Much better chambers in other cartridges for precision and hunting.
This is one of the best video's I've seen to try and explain this so the most people can understand this. This could make an excellent series but with UA-cam policies it has to be filmed and shared expertly. Find a sponsor like maybe Brownells that will provide 4, 6, 10, 15 rifles of a common caliber exact same scope mounts, scopes torque wrenches for install and a professional mount used for sighting in a rifle so someone can't blame you. Then like in this video shoot 3-5 rounds out of each of them with different weight, manufacturers off boo-lots. Then take it to the next level find a professional reloader that matches a load to a rifle and then reshoot every 1 of the rifles to show most rifles can shoot accurately if done right. Good luck and thanks
Same here. Just bought a new 270 after having a a 30 year old 270. My old 270 I could constantly shoot 1.5 " groups out of it with 130 grain bullets( I am not a great shot) so decided to make my old 270 a Hog gun and shoot 150's out of it. A 3" group is about the best I can pull out of it with the 150's.
My set ups over the years like the first cold shot from a dirty barrel and usually I only get one shot before the animal is down or has left the area. My set ups have been a Rem 760 pump 270 and Lee Enfield 303 Br. Good videos and comments. Hi from Cache Creek, BC, Canada.
I've run so many different brands, weights and kinds of boolots out of my 30 06 pump (rem 760) And it has never cared. Always been just good groups. Now on the other hand my 243 bolt is picky on everything, brand, weight and hot or cold barrel 🤔 I think wtw is saying without having to say get good with what you have. Figure you boolot finger out and see what you can do or can't do. Whether it's brand or weight, placement is key!!! WTW!
Those old pumpguns will in fact eat just about anything and still produce plenty good enough groups for hunting..and some will shoot just as accurate as any boltgun...the carbine in 06 was my favorite for a long time and it's still just as good for anything now...an think about this..you can not get more of a free-floated barrel than the 76,760,7600 series has...it is literally just a barrel hanging out of a receiver. !
My browning loves them all! 180gr fusions are the best I’ve tried. The Hornsby super performance in 168gr is a close second. Even the 147 gr fmj are pretty accurate. It’s 1:12 twist 18.5” barrel.
Yup. WTW said it right. Every gun is it's own animal and it will have a preference for ammo. Sure handloading changes things, but for factory ammo, there's always gonna be one that it likes over the others.
Another really fun video WTW. As with all your video very informative and educational. I for one trust your opinion because you take the time to explain the video and then prove what you say is going to happen. Be safe and keep the faith.
I have a Savage Axis 308 and it likes the Winchester SuperX 150gr PowerPoint. When I buy a rifle I buy a few different ammo type so I can find it’s favorite. Awesome content!!
My old savage 110 in 06 LOVES 165 gr, especially federal fusion. Which were originally a promotional under a different name, cant remember now, but named after one of these hunting shows. They disappeared and I emailed federal and was informed they were now called “ fusions”. It shoots most 165s very well, but those fusions are great in my rifle. ~ 1/2” 5 shot groups mostly , at 100yds. Most of the rest it stays ~ 1” or a little less. I’m talking decent quality hunting ammo, not cheap “ where’s it from” stuff. And , of course, 165 is the hardest to find in many brands. It does well with 150s also, but 165s are like candy to it.
Yes it matters for hunting, in some countries, the hunting laws state, that you need to have a certain mininmum bullet weight for certain animals + the impact energy in Joules should be measured 100 meters from the front of the barrel to have X amont of Joules. Finland for instance has these laws in place. Also if you want to be accurate you also need to find the ammo your specific gun likes. Every gun likes different ammo, of course two same manufacturer model guns are gonna be similar than two different models and/or manufacturer guns.
Took around 10 different types of ammo brands and grains before i found what my Lithgow .308 likes. Even tried the standard 150gr and 180gr corelokts but for me it was the new 180gr corelokt tipped. 3 shots touching under half an inch at 100. Shame it likes the premium stuff best. Keep up the good work! Hi from Australia.
Accuracy is a product of bullet speed, shape, and stability in flight. It is possible to have a bullet moving too fast down the barrel to get the correct spin for it's designed flight characteristics. When you get these three factors right....and the wind is not against you... and you have appeased the bullit gods by doing all the math right.... you just might get you a bullseye or two.
Until you hand load, in which case the difference in accuracy between bullet weights will probably be less because you can adjust charge weights to find the best velocities for each.
@@albertlemont5471 And shoulder bump for head spacing. God I love reloading!! Friend, all I can say is this: It doesn't take a genius to reload... but it helps. And don't we know it!
@@albertlemont5471 Eric has a lot of money and runs very high end rifles. It's an awesome feeling when you can get a factory rifle to print as tight of groups as a custom. I have a Savage Axis II in 6.5 Creedmoor that took a lot of work but I got it to shoot .3" groups.
My 308 rifles with 1 in 10 twist Always prefer 150 grain bullets Had a couple of buddies that had rifles with 1 and 12 like the heavier stuff Enjoyed the video as always
That's exactly what I tell people all the time. TRY DIFFERENT AMMO IN YOU FIREARM WITH YOUR SETUP. "It don't pay to stockpile ammo if the ammo you have stockpiled can't hit the broad side of a barn"-Myself I talk to many people shooting anything from 17 HMR to 300 Win mag who refuse to try different ammo to see what works, but then complain about poor accuracy in "the one and only ammo I've ever shot in that gun"
its because of twist rate of the barrel, speed, and seating depth. Even in 2 identical rifles there is going to be sweet spots that will be different because of those 3 factors combined but predictable after some testing. It is simple but not simple.....then we can get into copper fouling, break in, barrel temps etc
Really like these ammo test videos. I don't have the same rifle as you but cool to see how they shoot for you. Even with a different rifle it gives me an idea of things to try. 👍
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Twist rate is important. I go on Google and type in something like "308 twist rate and bullet weight". Then search images and find a chart which tells you... for your twist rate, in this caliber, your gun will like this bullet weight. My 308, with 1 in 10 twist, loves 180 grain ammo. It hates 150. The chart verifies this, but I had already learned that from testing lots of different ammo.
Weight absolutely matters i don't care what you shooting , even down to air rifles and all you have to go through different manufacturing and weights to see what your setup likes if you want any kind of accuracy , unless you just shooting into trash , as always love the videos👍👍
@Kevin rite but there's very few people hand loading these days it's not worth it anymore it cost just as much to hand load as to buying off the shelf , only people hand loading these days is people who shoot matches
I am surprised by your point of impact. Your 180's had a higher point of impact than the 165's.. If you are sighted in with 150's I would surely have thought the 180's would impact lower
In my case, I have a Ruger American in 308 where I have replaced the stock with a Magpul Hunter stock. Like WHO_TEE_WHO my 308 prefers 150gr ammo. Best shooting in that is the inexpensive Federal Power-Shok 150 grainers. They shoot better than the Federal Fusions in that rifle for me. I don't comment often but love the videos. Keep 'em coming!
This is generally what I’ve seen with the .30 cal rifles I’ve owned. My .308’s tend to do best with 165 and lighter, even with a faster twist (1:10) barrel. 30-06 can play with the 150’s, but seems to do best at 165-180 gr. My 300 Win Mag, well one was a POS (advise against buying REM 700 LR, granted example of one), but my Tikka T3X has done will in ranges from 165 (Federals Fusion and Trophy Copper) through 212 (Hornady Precision Hunter). I’ve seen a similar thing in my, and my wifes 7mm-08 (T3X Lite Stainless and T3X Superlite). Those things have eaten everything we through at them and pushed sub MOA groups, as long as it has been a 139-140 grain slug. We ran some 120s because that was all we could find to get some trigger time before last hunting season, and the groups went from sub 1” to saucer sized at 100 yards.
Forget bullet weight. When you buy a new firearm, try different weights, brands, and configurations (such as tipped, jacketed soft point, hollow point, etc.) Find the type of ammo that is the most accurate for your particular firearm. My wife has a Mini-14. It's the most accurate with Hornady V-Max where my AR is more accurate with Winchester Varmint-X. I found my older 30-06 was more accurate with the Remington Core Lokt 150 gr. when most studies I read said that the 165 gr. bullet was the most accurate most 30-06s. However, some rifles are just plain accurate no matter what you use. I had a heavy barreled Savage Varmint rifle in the 22-250. After my final scope adjustment at 100 yds, I fired two different brands of ammo. In one brand, I fired 3 rounds of 50 gr. polymer tipped and 3 rounds of 55 gr. polymer tipped. In the 2nd. brand, I fired 3 rounds of 50 gr. polymer tipped. I ended up with 2 holes, dead center of a 2" circle. One bullet was about 1/8" from the other hole made by the other 8. I have never had a rifle that accurate before. But it was just too damn heavy for this old man to lug around.
My Ruger M77 Mark II Ultra Light All-Weather .30-06 3-9×40 Bushnell Troohy scope. 22" inch light barrel. It loves the normal Remington180gr Core-Lok, not even the premium bullets are any good. I have tried 150gr. 165gr. Different brands . Standard ol' Remington 180gr core-loks!!! My best group is less than .75" 3 shot group at 100 yard, less than 1.00" groups at 200 yards. It does have a lot to do with the bullet weight and barrel harmonics/vibrations when shooting. IMO.
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I read an article saying that 308 with a 1 10 twist is optomised at 162 grains. I know theres barrell length, charge weight seating depth and so on but oddly all 165 shoot amazing out of every 308 ive ever had. Just something i read and noticed.
My browning A bolt loves 150 grain nosier ballistic tips. It will put 3 shots in a 1 inch dot at 100 yards. It shoots 180 s good at, 100 but nothing like the 150’s
I"m not surprised at your results. I think the 180 gr. bullet in the .308 is too heavy for the rifling twist. I have never had good accuracy using a 180 gr. boolit in my. 308 Win Remington 7600. 150's and 165s give me the best accuracy. I think if you're hunting moose you need to use a minimum bullet weight of 180 when using a .30 caliber weapon. Even from the .308 a 180 gr. should be accurate enough for a big moose, however. Elk, a 165 grain bullet is ideal in the .308 in my opinion. The other variable is the ammo itself. I rarely shoot factory loads because I have no idea if the powder charges are even close to being within a grain of each other to give good and consistent shot placement. You're placing your faith in someone else caring enough to provide you with good ammo. I am not a reloading snob by any stretch. I just like knowing the brass is the right length, the primers the right depth and the powder is one I choose as opposed to someone manufacturing ammo and not letting me know how many grains of what powder they're using. Thanks for the video. If you have any pull, tell Speer to start making their .358 180 grain FN bullets again. BTW, I found a Savage Apex left handed bolt in .350 Legend with an 18" barrel. It is very accurate shooting the 145 gr. FMJ's at steel at 100 and 200 yards. I confess to using Winchester ammo so far. It is a sweet little shooter.
Depends on the brand of rifle. My Howa 1500 chambered in .308 drives tacks with the 178grain Hornady ELD-x. I took a massive buck with it last season from quite a distance with them. They are dead on, sub MOA.
Hey brother your on the right track. It's not the bullet weight though it's the velocity that the projectile is traveling and it's shape and your specific barrel. Now I know this because I can take a specific bullet weight say 150 grains. And slow it weigh down by reloading it. Then speed it up in increments and watch the group get bigger to smaller back to bigger then smaller and so on throughout the velocity ranges I push them. Now in factory ammo it's almost always as fast as they can push a bullet so less bullet weight usually means more velocity. I love your videos and will discuss anything you want about bullet accuracy and how it happens.
My 30-06 loves Federal fusions 150 grains. But it hates Remington Corelokt 150 grains. The difference between the two groups was nearly 3 inches in favor of the fusions.
Low grain bullets will drop deer all day with proper placement. I got two doe this year on a 1:7 18” barrel with .223 64 gr hollow points and both of them ran less than 50 yards.
Did the same for a new shooter. He was shooting 5" groups and was happy as hell until I got him to shoot a variety of weights. He could not believe the 3/4" inch group he shot with a different weight and shape of bullet.
Rule of thumb is the middle weight. Most functional weights 30-06 is 150 grain to 220 grain and I have in stores bought and used 220s and handloaded them. Add 150 and 220 up and divide by 2 you get 185 So 180 is best most chambers, throats, barrel dynamics love this weight in 06 Accurate and comes closest to published velocity. Not too heavy and not too light. 308 Win 130-168 grain. You would think heavier is best. I went against the grain and chose middle weight 150 and won a lot of 1000 yard matches with it. It mates to speed well and with a good bullet good from whitetail to moose. Your best video was when you pitted the 30-06 against the 35 Whelan on clay. The 06 smoked it with the 180 grain and got from a 22 inch barrel on your chronograph 2688 fps advertised 2700 and Rem tests that on a 24 inch barrel and you used a 22 inch and was 12 fps shy vs all your 150 grain videos where your 06 is running 120 fps shy. Now yes all guns can be different but I have witnessed the middle weight rule to apply 98% of the time. for 270 its 130, 308 150, 06 180 grain. That is their sweet spots.
@@CrotalusKid point being manufactured guns will have a predominant twist rate per caliber. IE usually this ties to barrel harmonics and bullet bearing surface and is favored via velocity to the mid weight bullets. 1&10 is used in most 308 wins 110-180 makes them generally favor 150 for groups. 06 w 1&10 110 to 220 is why most love the 180.
We tend to over simplify things which leads to many misconceptions in the community. Bullet length is where twist rate matters, velocity is what controls your drop since gravity acts the same on everything. Then you get your cross overs, heavier bullets retain velocity better at distance so if a light bullet and a heavy one are shot at the same velocity guess which one drops more at 1000yds. Different barrels are just that, there is rifling differences due to tool wear, metalurgic differences from steel manufacture and harmonic differences. Tolerance checking keeps things in a set ballpark but ultimately every gun is different and will like different ammo. Heavy barrels whip less so is always a good starting point for a tack driving build. Ammo is made to tolerances as well, homeloaders can generally work to much tighter tolerances for consistency. I'm sure I've forgotton some nuance we're basically talking rocket science for the most part.
Adam I have a Belgium made browning automatic in 30-06 and it likes the 165 grain boulots. It takes down blacktail and mule deer out here on the West Coast real nice.
My PSA Ar -10 loves the heavy bullets. 180 grain can shoot 1" groups easy the 150 struggles with getting everything inside 3" in 5 shot groups. Its favorite is of course 178 grain match king( dang expensive stuff lol). Either way its great for deer no matter what you shoot. Haven't found anything that shoots less than deer vital moa .
Really like the 180gr sp. Not the psp that is pointed, the round nose. I only shoot under 200yds. In reality, 75 or less. Round nose just hits different in every cal. Dad has a savage 99 that's from the late 70s. Hole for hole with that round. It has a huge spread with the 150s. Like 5in. Sometimes, a way off flyer. It's really crazy. My axis stainless will shoot anything. I have a 264win mag handed down to me from my pap back in 88. It was made in 1958. It absolutely will not shoot 100gr but go hole for hole with 140gr. He told me that, i tried it and he was right. I retired it. I could hunt with it but the only thing I have available are 140gr corelokt pointed soft point. It rips through the dear so fast at close range it doesn't do much damage. Unless I hit a bone. If I hit a bone on the way in, it take out a huge hole on the backside. They should be reloaded with better bullets.
I have always felt a 180 gr. bullet was to heavy for the .308. I did most of my .308 shooting before there were as many choices of bullets though. I found the 180 gr. bullet in the .308 didn't retain enough velocity at distance to expand the bullet.
I have a savage 110 Hunter and a Remington 7400 carbine in 30-06. I Zeroed them with 180 grain core-lokts and at 100 yards the 165 grains shoot dead on as well.
Let us not forget these two bullets have different BC's. Also faster twist rates will better stabilize the lighter bullets. Twist rate would be much more noticeable with something like the 30 cal 120 or 110 grain.
I think overall the performance is pretty decent when you consider it's relatively inexpensive rifle and inexpensive hunting ammo. Now if you were shooting the $2000 plus dollar rifle and match grade ammo I would expect better. But you're right every rifle likes and dislikes different weights and different manufacturers. I had an old Mauser action 3006 made by H&R it was a tax driver with nosler 165 partition at 2,800 feet per second. I used to average 3 in at 300 yd that was my moose hunting rifle in Alaska. Thank you 👍
Who_tee man I love the 308 Winchester, but to tell you the truth I don’t have much faith in factory ammunition, because it’s loaded by a machine, I’ve found that some of it has been very inconsistent. Being a target shooter and not a hunter the factory ammunition that I do buy is the Federal 168 Gr or the 175 Gr BTHP Match. But I’ve enjoyed your video’s keep up the great work.
My AR10 with 1:10 twist lives the 165. It’s ok with 150. Hates 180. So I sling cheap 150s just banging steel and hunt with 165. It isn’t particular about brands, Hornady Black, Federal, with or without Sierra Match as long as they weigh 165 grains.
I have a Bear Creek arsenal AR 10. 20 inch barrel. It loves HEAVY stuff. The 147 grain stuff is all over the paper. But that 180 grain Winchester Super X is maling Quarter sized groups at 100 yards. I really want to try some 178 Match grade SMKs out of it.
The actual truth is, we can both have the exact same rife and use the exact same bullets from the same box, one rifle will shoot them different then the other. Each rifle is it’s own bullet launcher and it will prefer certain bullets that another rifle will not shoot as well. Even if that rifle shoots say 165 gr from one lot it might not shoot as well with the same bullet from a different lot.
Very true. When rifling is cut in the barrel, each barrel has different imperfections that will affect the point of impact. Once the barrel has been broken in with the series of shooting and cleaning then that's when you know what it likes.
That is the truth. Each gun shoots differently. You may not be able to tell them apart, but they will shoot differently.
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My old Savage 30-06 really liked the 165 gr best but the 180’s shot well enough, just lower. It was pretty good with 150’s too. That was a sweet rifle that I gave to a family member. It’s trigger was amazing!
I have one as well and love it! Just switched from 165 to 180 grain and was wondering if it would affect my shot. Thanks for your comment!
Well, considering the 180 grain is heavier, the trajectory is lower because the velocity is lower.
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Yup! WTW and Ron Spomer are my favorite guys for down to earth videos!
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I have the same exact rifle. My other 308s tend to prefer the 168, but the ruger American does very much like the 150s. Refloated the barrel and reinforced the stock and getting 1/2 inch groups @ 100yds. Poor man's precision rifle.
I have two .308's I use a lot. The SPS Rem Model 700 and the Savage Apex 110 hunter. Both like 150-168, grain quality ammo, and my groups at 100 yds with both rifles, and they are both always within .5" groups...always. I'm confused with the Rugar conversation and this rifle. The vice he was using should not allow for that much variation. Three concerns: 1.) The Rifle, 2.) The ammo, and 3.) the scope. With my mid-range Leopold 12 power scope, and the Vortex on the Savage Apex, I shoot tight groups always, but have never shot that green tip Remington ammo. I'm wondering if it's not loaded very consistently. Shooting Hornady ELD or Match grade ammo, and Winchester Silver tip ammo, I'm always tight on my groups with NO adjustments at 100 yds from 150-168, and 176 Match grade ammo with my two setups. Love my .308's!
Have the same exact rifle in 308 with a Bshnell Banner 3-9 scope. What an excellent budget deer setup. Keep up the great work!
I do have to say my most impressive shot group was with Smith&Wesson AR10 sport ll with 5R Rifling, using 150GR Hornady American White Tail, all 5 shots at 100 yards were in bullseye and completely removed the orange bulls eye 🎯
My .308 is the same, WTW! I tried a number of bullet weights, and different brands. I tried a bunch of Hornady and my Weatherby spit them everywhere. Then I went to Federal and Norma and I shot sub-MOA with both! Both at 150 grain. Anything higher and I spray rounds to 2-3 inch groups! Love the content! Real world stuff here
What's the twist rate of the barrel?
I have an ultra cheap boolot slinger in size 308 that shoots crazy good. Took her to the range one day with 4 or 5 different brands of candy all in 150g. Mixed them up randomly in the magazine... it put them all inside an inch. 😎👍
Over the years I've told my son the same thing. And we've passed this on to his boys (he has four). Of the six of us five shoot the 7mm mag. I'm not as picky as they are because I don't shoot the ranges they do. But each one has to use a different load for there rifle to get the accuracy they are after. So as you were saying to get the most out of your firearm you have to do a bit of shooting with different weights and brands of ammo. Thanks for your videos!
Normally I’m only looking for minute of man or deer. Ive found most ammo is good enough at 100-150 yds. Which in my deer woods , works just fine for me.
I've known this for years but it really hit home when I bought 2 identical 308 rifles. One rifle prefers 125 grain Speer bullets pushed by IMR 4064 powder. The other prefers 165 grain Sierra bullets pushed by IMR 3031 powder.
My Remington ‘06 favors the 180gr Core Lokts, and my daughter’s identical rifle does better with 165gr CL’s. Every gun is different in its own way. Great video, very informative. 👍
Weight vs speed vs energy...Should be an interesting one!
My Savage Model 10FPSR in .308. 20 inch barrel 1 in 10 twist, will shoot 168 grain standard load boat tail ammo point of aim all day long (Federal Sierra Match King, Winchester Ballistic Silver tip and E tip......)
Now even the Hornady Superformance in a 168 A max will start to scatter a bit versus the standard load. Most anything in a 150 grain will scatter about 2 inches, 180's will scatter about 3 inches plus drop 4. (All at 100 yards.)
He is right you need to check all rounds for impact. I shoot different grain and write on box new scope zero for that round. ie: 4 click R 3 click U exc.
Great subject! I’ve got an AR 10 and I’ve been buying 147 grain 7.62 and I see the higher weights are really expensive!
When I buy a new rifle I buy every brand and weight of factory ammo in that caliber I can find until I find what it likes to eat! I have a Savage .270 that just would not group anything, better than 3”, until I found some Hornady Outfitter, which uses a 130 grain solid copper bullet, and it shot a 1/2” group at 100 yards with that. Hand loading is a little different. If I want to use a heavy 180 grain bullet in my 30.06, which loves factory 150 grain bullets, I can fine tune a load that will shoot the heavier bullets.
I was going to reply to WTW on my B14 Ridge in 30-06 and I saw your reply. I reload in my shop and my shooting range is about 75 yards from my shop so I'm able to make most any bullet shoot from my Bergara. I'll start max then go low a half grain at a time and usually I can make it shoot about anything. After the break-in I settled for the Barnes TTSX in 165 grain. Clover leaf 3 shot groups at 100. Depending on twist rates and the range of weight bullets that twist rate allows, I've came to the conclusion in my mind that if you reload and you have time you can make about any bullet you want to try, shoot good. I think it has to do with speed and pressure also. Anyways thats my 2 cents. Always like to chime in on WTW's videos.
Yeah, I've got a Savage 111 in 270, and can't get it to group under about 3 inches. Will try some more loads, and the Outfitters, if I can find them here in AUS.
@@offtomars1 Wish you were closer maybe I could help you out with that issue
We’ve had issues with my son’s Savage 111 in 270 Win as well, and like WTW’s RA in 308, it definitely hasn’t found a heavy bullet cartridge it likes. While I don’t necessarily recommend the Winchester Deer Season XP 130’s because of fragmentation, that’s what shot best for my son. I’m wanting to try some copper monolithic loads in his gun, though, so I’m grateful for John Knouse’s input. Thankfully the Norma Whitetail 130 g soft points shot well out of it last year because that’s about all I could find for it then.
@@davidrussell631 that gun about drove me to drink (more)! I took 6 or 7 different types and weights of ammo to the range after I got it, thinking I’d be there an hour or so. I was there over 4 hours! It was a slow day, so the range officer was sitting next to me, and spotting for me. I’m sure after the first couple groups he thought I had no idea how to shoot! It would put 2 pretty close together (about 1” or so) then throw the 3rd, 2 or 3 inches away. Every time! If I remember right, the Outfitter was the last box I had to try. 3 shots in damn near the same hole! Made a scope adjustment up and to the left, and center punched it! I have 3 or 4 boxes on hand, but I eventually worked up a pretty good load with some Hornady 130 grain interlocks that I hunted with last year. I’ve also had good luck with the Norma in almost every caliber I’ve tried. I have a cheap Savage Axis .308, that will shoot 3/4” groups at 100 with it, but doesn’t like much else.
It would almost be nice if bullet manufactures offered 5 round boxes for cheap so people could test there rifles for what it likes best.
That being said most rifle manufacturers if you read the manual will tell you what ammunition and bullet weight is recommended for the rifle
5 won't do it for me. 25 maybe, preferably 50. Even then I usually grab a hundred.
Yeah it's a drag when you shoot the first 3 rounds and have determined your gun doesn't like it.
Boxes of 10 would be perfect. Manufactures always lie about their bullet performance and speeds
Even better is a sampler for their full run of a particular cartridge
I've got a 308 and have been waiting for videos on em. Thanks for the videos! Mine likes the 150gr as well.
I laughed loudly at the "that's not my 30-06!" - having multiple Ruger Americans in the background. A very nice problem to have 🤣
My fav is Remington .270 Core-Loks in 130 or 150 grains. They shoot VERY similar. But 150 grain is what I am most confident with (That's what I started out with in 1986!). In the smokepole, .50 cal T/C molded boo-lots in 275 grain with 90 grains of powder. I practice with 75 grains of powder. I heat it up with 90 grains for a deer load just for a little extra range.
I’ve been searching for a good 270 round I’ll have to try and find some core loks
@@nicholaschapman8360 Hornady makes a fine cartridge too. I'd stay away from ballistic tip bullets from ANY manufacturer, if you're looking for a deer round. Ruins too much meat. But those are very good on varmits.
A great video and an honest review for sure! A lot of factors enter into this accuracy situation and you touched on a few. In my experience with my trusted and treasured Winchester 30'06 Manlicher, it simply prefers 165-grain bullets, but it will also shoot 180s as well. But the barrel is heavier. Barrell twists rates are critical too, since I have an old Weatherby .270 magnum that shoots great with 130-grain bullets, but will not stabilize 150-grain bullets. In fact at 25 yards you could see the bullet's tumble, and a three-shot group was recorded as a "Z"! I discussed this with NOSLER, and they informed me that the twist rate of the old (JAPAN) Weatherby's was simply too slow to stabilize those bullet weights! NOSLER was great about sending me an exchange and replaced both boxes of the 150 weights with custom .130 grain bullets. Now that's great customer service for sure! PS I love your paper plate targets that's a great idea!
even the little 22 Rimfire's can be really picky .... Great video wtw 👍
Thats very true. Everyone of my .22s likes a different kind lol.
These types of videos are great and very helpful it just goes to show that different Bing Bangs like different ammo. My HOWA .30-06 likes the 180GR. better so your 100% correct you need to test and see what works best for your platform. Great video im looking forward to the next video later today. WTW!!!!!
It is crazy how this is. I have a different .308 rifle with the same 1:10 twist. My barrel is 2" shorter. My bing bang hates the lighter boolots. It loves the 168gr and up. Anything lighter and I'll have 4" to 8" groups. Crazy! Love you content. Keep it up! Thanks a million...
Thanks for watching David!
Right on, good job!👍 Me & my .308 (darline) loves the 150s too.🥰
My savage axis 308 hates 180gr and loves 150, glad I found out on the range.
I think that Ruger has 1:10 twist, makes perfect sense it shoots 150s better than 180s. 308 is a fine cartridge, but it and 556, I just use for ARs and only have for shtf. Much better chambers in other cartridges for precision and hunting.
This is one of the best video's I've seen to try and explain this so the most people can understand this.
This could make an excellent series but with UA-cam policies it has to be filmed and shared expertly.
Find a sponsor like maybe Brownells that will provide 4, 6, 10, 15 rifles of a common caliber exact same scope mounts, scopes torque wrenches for install and a professional mount used for sighting in a rifle so someone can't blame you.
Then like in this video shoot 3-5 rounds out of each of them with different weight, manufacturers off boo-lots.
Then take it to the next level find a professional reloader that matches a load to a rifle and then reshoot every 1 of the rifles to show most rifles can shoot accurately if done right.
Good luck and thanks
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@@WHOTEEWHO Your awesome
You are awesome!
Same here. Just bought a new 270 after having a a 30 year old 270. My old 270 I could constantly shoot 1.5 " groups out of it with 130 grain bullets( I am not a great shot) so decided to make my old 270 a Hog gun and shoot 150's out of it. A 3" group is about the best I can pull out of it with the 150's.
My set ups over the years like the first cold shot from a dirty barrel and usually I only get one shot before the animal is down or has left the area. My set ups have been a Rem 760 pump 270 and Lee Enfield 303 Br. Good videos and comments. Hi from Cache Creek, BC, Canada.
The best caliber ever
I've run so many different brands, weights and kinds of boolots out of my 30 06 pump (rem 760) And it has never cared. Always been just good groups. Now on the other hand my 243 bolt is picky on everything, brand, weight and hot or cold barrel 🤔 I think wtw is saying without having to say get good with what you have. Figure you boolot finger out and see what you can do or can't do. Whether it's brand or weight, placement is key!!! WTW!
Forgot to say my 243 is so picky it won't eject some brands or even the same brand but different load.
Those old pumpguns will in fact eat just about anything and still produce plenty good enough groups for hunting..and some will shoot just as accurate as any boltgun...the carbine in 06 was my favorite for a long time and it's still just as good for anything now...an think about this..you can not get more of a free-floated barrel than the 76,760,7600 series has...it is literally just a barrel hanging out of a receiver. !
My browning loves them all! 180gr fusions are the best I’ve tried. The Hornsby super performance in 168gr is a close second. Even the 147 gr fmj are pretty accurate. It’s 1:12 twist 18.5” barrel.
Yup. WTW said it right. Every gun is it's own animal and it will have a preference for ammo. Sure handloading changes things, but for factory ammo, there's always gonna be one that it likes over the others.
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Another great video WTW! THANKS! the wtw crew loves you ❤️
Sorry I missed this one! 😔
my guns like the bullets I can afford
Another really fun video WTW. As with all your video very informative and educational. I for one trust your opinion because you take the time to explain the video and then prove what you say is going to happen. Be safe and keep the faith.
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I have a Savage Axis 308 and it likes the Winchester SuperX 150gr PowerPoint. When I buy a rifle I buy a few different ammo type so I can find it’s favorite. Awesome content!!
Thanks for watching Nicholas
My old savage 110 in 06 LOVES 165 gr, especially federal fusion. Which were originally a promotional under a different name, cant remember now, but named after one of these hunting shows.
They disappeared and I emailed federal and was informed they were now called “ fusions”.
It shoots most 165s very well, but those fusions are great in my rifle. ~ 1/2” 5 shot groups mostly , at 100yds.
Most of the rest it stays ~ 1” or a little less. I’m talking decent quality hunting ammo, not cheap “ where’s it from” stuff.
And , of course, 165 is the hardest to find in many brands. It does well with 150s also, but 165s are like candy to it.
Yes it matters for hunting, in some countries, the hunting laws state, that you need to have a certain mininmum bullet weight for certain animals + the impact energy in Joules should be measured 100 meters from the front of the barrel to have X amont of Joules. Finland for instance has these laws in place.
Also if you want to be accurate you also need to find the ammo your specific gun likes.
Every gun likes different ammo, of course two same manufacturer model guns are gonna be similar than two different models and/or manufacturer guns.
A little late tonight. Headed to watch now. Looking forward to it!!
Took around 10 different types of ammo brands and grains before i found what my Lithgow .308 likes. Even tried the standard 150gr and 180gr corelokts but for me it was the new 180gr corelokt tipped. 3 shots touching under half an inch at 100. Shame it likes the premium stuff best. Keep up the good work! Hi from Australia.
Thanks for watching
Accuracy is a product of bullet speed, shape, and stability in flight. It is possible to have a bullet moving too fast down the barrel to get the correct spin for it's designed flight characteristics. When you get these three factors right....and the wind is not against you... and you have appeased the bullit gods by doing all the math right.... you just might get you a bullseye or two.
Higher velocity gives greater barrel whip.
I have several different grain weights 150, 165 , 168 but can't remember if 180. But my ruger likes available ammo best !
Very interesting. Keep the awesome vids coming
Amen as said by many already, each one is it’s own animal. They sometimes trend by weight.
Until you hand load, in which case the difference in accuracy between bullet weights will probably be less because you can adjust charge weights to find the best velocities for each.
And seating depth
@@albertlemont5471 And shoulder bump for head spacing. God I love reloading!! Friend, all I can say is this: It doesn't take a genius to reload... but it helps. And don't we know it!
Barrel Harmonics makes good groups and accurate rifles. Eric Cortena has the best how to on you tube. He makes it sound easy.
@@albertlemont5471 Eric has a lot of money and runs very high end rifles. It's an awesome feeling when you can get a factory rifle to print as tight of groups as a custom. I have a Savage Axis II in 6.5 Creedmoor that took a lot of work but I got it to shoot .3" groups.
My Ruger American Go Wild is the same dime size groups I common when I am on my game.
My 308 rifles with 1 in 10 twist Always prefer 150 grain bullets Had a couple of buddies that had rifles with 1 and 12 like the heavier stuff Enjoyed the video as always
That's exactly what I tell people all the time. TRY DIFFERENT AMMO IN YOU FIREARM WITH YOUR SETUP. "It don't pay to stockpile ammo if the ammo you have stockpiled can't hit the broad side of a barn"-Myself I talk to many people shooting anything from 17 HMR to 300 Win mag who refuse to try different ammo to see what works, but then complain about poor accuracy in "the one and only ammo I've ever shot in that gun"
Good video. That Ruger makes me appreciate my Savage lol
Never a better reason to go shoot than to check bullets......sometimes you need to check the same bullets every weekend!🤣
its because of twist rate of the barrel, speed, and seating depth. Even in 2 identical rifles there is going to be sweet spots that will be different because of those 3 factors combined but predictable after some testing. It is simple but not simple.....then we can get into copper fouling, break in, barrel temps etc
Really like these ammo test videos. I don't have the same rifle as you but cool to see how they shoot for you. Even with a different rifle it gives me an idea of things to try. 👍
My Browning a-bolt 2 in 300 win mag absolutely loves those 180 grain core lock tipped....3 touchin@100
Dadgummit man you amaze me I remember several years ago I started watching you and I thought you were pretty good then I remember your job so I said don't give up man just keep doing what you're doing and you did and I am just happier than a pig in mud that you have kept going on because you have some extremely valuable content and I mean you amaze me thank you for the videos Man
Twist rate is important.
I go on Google and type in something like "308 twist rate and bullet weight". Then search images and find a chart which tells you... for your twist rate, in this caliber, your gun will like this bullet weight.
My 308, with 1 in 10 twist, loves 180 grain ammo. It hates 150. The chart verifies this, but I had already learned that from testing lots of different ammo.
Weight absolutely matters i don't care what you shooting , even down to air rifles and all you have to go through different manufacturing and weights to see what your setup likes if you want any kind of accuracy , unless you just shooting into trash , as always love the videos👍👍
@Kevin rite but there's very few people hand loading these days it's not worth it anymore it cost just as much to hand load as to buying off the shelf , only people hand loading these days is people who shoot matches
I just need an inheritance to buy the ammo I need for my grendel to test to find the best with today's prices.
I am surprised by your point of impact. Your 180's had a higher point of impact than the 165's.. If you are sighted in with 150's I would surely have thought the 180's would impact lower
Heavier bullets create more muzzle flip.
Yep. Has everything to do with barrel harmonics.
The heavier the bullet the higher the ballistic coefficient
Has to do with barrel harmonics, not because the heavier bullet drops more. That would only happen at longer range.
In my case, I have a Ruger American in 308 where I have replaced the stock with a Magpul Hunter stock. Like WHO_TEE_WHO my 308 prefers 150gr ammo. Best shooting in that is the inexpensive Federal Power-Shok 150 grainers. They shoot better than the Federal Fusions in that rifle for me. I don't comment often but love the videos. Keep 'em coming!
This is generally what I’ve seen with the .30 cal rifles I’ve owned. My .308’s tend to do best with 165 and lighter, even with a faster twist (1:10) barrel. 30-06 can play with the 150’s, but seems to do best at 165-180 gr. My 300 Win Mag, well one was a POS (advise against buying REM 700 LR, granted example of one), but my Tikka T3X has done will in ranges from 165 (Federals Fusion and Trophy Copper) through 212 (Hornady Precision Hunter). I’ve seen a similar thing in my, and my wifes 7mm-08 (T3X Lite Stainless and T3X Superlite). Those things have eaten everything we through at them and pushed sub MOA groups, as long as it has been a 139-140 grain slug. We ran some 120s because that was all we could find to get some trigger time before last hunting season, and the groups went from sub 1” to saucer sized at 100 yards.
It is the twist that is absolutely crucial to the weight of the bullet that works in your weapon.
Forget bullet weight. When you buy a new firearm, try different weights, brands, and configurations (such as tipped, jacketed soft point, hollow point, etc.) Find the type of ammo that is the most accurate for your particular firearm. My wife has a Mini-14. It's the most accurate with Hornady V-Max where my AR is more accurate with Winchester Varmint-X. I found my older 30-06 was more accurate with the Remington Core Lokt 150 gr. when most studies I read said that the 165 gr. bullet was the most accurate most 30-06s. However, some rifles are just plain accurate no matter what you use. I had a heavy barreled Savage Varmint rifle in the 22-250. After my final scope adjustment at 100 yds, I fired two different brands of ammo. In one brand, I fired 3 rounds of 50 gr. polymer tipped and 3 rounds of 55 gr. polymer tipped. In the 2nd. brand, I fired 3 rounds of 50 gr. polymer tipped. I ended up with 2 holes, dead center of a 2" circle. One bullet was about 1/8" from the other hole made by the other 8. I have never had a rifle that accurate before. But it was just too damn heavy for this old man to lug around.
My Ruger M77 Mark II Ultra Light All-Weather .30-06 3-9×40 Bushnell Troohy scope. 22" inch light barrel. It loves the normal Remington180gr Core-Lok, not even the premium bullets are any good. I have tried 150gr. 165gr. Different brands . Standard ol' Remington 180gr core-loks!!! My best group is less than .75" 3 shot group at 100 yard, less than 1.00" groups at 200 yards. It does have a lot to do with the bullet weight and barrel harmonics/vibrations when shooting. IMO.
Great information, thanks alot WHW 👌
We need gunshops to set up value packs that have 4 rounds of 5 different bullets to run threw rifles to check accuracy
Good idea
Druid Hill Armory was accrually kind enough to load a 50-round box of 6.8 spc with 3 different bullet weights great company to do business with. You should check them out.
I read an article saying that 308 with a 1 10 twist is optomised at 162 grains. I know theres barrell length, charge weight seating depth and so on but oddly all 165 shoot amazing out of every 308 ive ever had. Just something i read and noticed.
My browning A bolt loves 150 grain nosier ballistic tips. It will put 3 shots in a 1 inch dot at 100 yards. It shoots 180 s good at, 100 but nothing like the 150’s
My 308 loves them 165 gr great vid mate
My 300win likes Remington 180 gr but shooting 180 nosler bullet is a no go . Good video
I"m not surprised at your results. I think the 180 gr. bullet in the .308 is too heavy for the rifling twist. I have never had good accuracy using a 180 gr. boolit in my. 308 Win Remington 7600. 150's and 165s give me the best accuracy. I think if you're hunting moose you need to use a minimum bullet weight of 180 when using a .30 caliber weapon. Even from the .308 a 180 gr. should be accurate enough for a big moose, however. Elk, a 165 grain bullet is ideal in the .308 in my opinion. The other variable is the ammo itself. I rarely shoot factory loads because I have no idea if the powder charges are even close to being within a grain of each other to give good and consistent shot placement. You're placing your faith in someone else caring enough to provide you with good ammo. I am not a reloading snob by any stretch. I just like knowing the brass is the right length, the primers the right depth and the powder is one I choose as opposed to someone manufacturing ammo and not letting me know how many grains of what powder they're using. Thanks for the video. If you have any pull, tell Speer to start making their .358 180 grain FN bullets again. BTW, I found a Savage Apex left handed bolt in .350 Legend with an 18" barrel. It is very accurate shooting the 145 gr. FMJ's at steel at 100 and 200 yards. I confess to using Winchester ammo so far. It is a sweet little shooter.
Depends on the brand of rifle. My Howa 1500 chambered in .308 drives tacks with the 178grain Hornady ELD-x. I took a massive buck with it last season from quite a distance with them. They are dead on, sub MOA.
Hey brother your on the right track. It's not the bullet weight though it's the velocity that the projectile is traveling and it's shape and your specific barrel. Now I know this because I can take a specific bullet weight say 150 grains. And slow it weigh down by reloading it. Then speed it up in increments and watch the group get bigger to smaller back to bigger then smaller and so on throughout the velocity ranges I push them. Now in factory ammo it's almost always as fast as they can push a bullet so less bullet weight usually means more velocity. I love your videos and will discuss anything you want about bullet accuracy and how it happens.
My 30-06 loves Federal fusions 150 grains. But it hates Remington Corelokt 150 grains. The difference between the two groups was nearly 3 inches in favor of the fusions.
velocity difference
Low grain bullets will drop deer all day with proper placement. I got two doe this year on a 1:7 18” barrel with .223 64 gr hollow points and both of them ran less than 50 yards.
Did the same for a new shooter. He was shooting 5" groups and was happy as hell until I got him to shoot a variety of weights. He could not believe the 3/4" inch group he shot with a different weight and shape of bullet.
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Good video. 308 Winchester is one of my favorite caliber’s. Thanks for the video.
Rule of thumb is the middle weight. Most functional weights 30-06 is 150 grain to 220 grain and I have in stores bought and used 220s and handloaded them. Add 150 and 220 up and divide by 2 you get 185 So 180 is best most chambers, throats, barrel dynamics love this weight in 06 Accurate and comes closest to published velocity. Not too heavy and not too light. 308 Win 130-168 grain. You would think heavier is best. I went against the grain and chose middle weight 150 and won a lot of 1000 yard matches with it. It mates to speed well and with a good bullet good from whitetail to moose. Your best video was when you pitted the 30-06 against the 35 Whelan on clay. The 06 smoked it with the 180 grain and got from a 22 inch barrel on your chronograph 2688 fps advertised 2700 and Rem tests that on a 24 inch barrel and you used a 22 inch and was 12 fps shy vs all your 150 grain videos where your 06 is running 120 fps shy. Now yes all guns can be different but I have witnessed the middle weight rule to apply 98% of the time. for 270 its 130, 308 150, 06 180 grain. That is their sweet spots.
Yeah but none of that is true. What projectile a barrel prefers is largely influenced by the rate of rifling twist.
@@CrotalusKid show me an 06 that is not 1in 10 twist rate.
@@CrotalusKid point being manufactured guns will have a predominant twist rate per caliber. IE usually this ties to barrel harmonics and bullet bearing surface and is favored via velocity to the mid weight bullets. 1&10 is used in most 308 wins 110-180 makes them generally favor 150 for groups. 06 w 1&10 110 to 220 is why most love the 180.
We tend to over simplify things which leads to many misconceptions in the community. Bullet length is where twist rate matters, velocity is what controls your drop since gravity acts the same on everything. Then you get your cross overs, heavier bullets retain velocity better at distance so if a light bullet and a heavy one are shot at the same velocity guess which one drops more at 1000yds. Different barrels are just that, there is rifling differences due to tool wear, metalurgic differences from steel manufacture and harmonic differences. Tolerance checking keeps things in a set ballpark but ultimately every gun is different and will like different ammo. Heavy barrels whip less so is always a good starting point for a tack driving build. Ammo is made to tolerances as well, homeloaders can generally work to much tighter tolerances for consistency. I'm sure I've forgotton some nuance we're basically talking rocket science for the most part.
Another great informative video
Great video WTW.
That’s true. I’ve got an ruger American in 308. Loves 150 . I shot 168 and it would not group them very well .
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Thanks for watching Sam
Adam I have a Belgium made browning automatic in 30-06 and it likes the 165 grain boulots. It takes down blacktail and mule deer out here on the West Coast real nice.
My PSA Ar -10 loves the heavy bullets. 180 grain can shoot 1" groups easy the 150 struggles with getting everything inside 3" in 5 shot groups. Its favorite is of course 178 grain match king( dang expensive stuff lol). Either way its great for deer no matter what you shoot. Haven't found anything that shoots less than deer vital moa .
Really like the 180gr sp. Not the psp that is pointed, the round nose. I only shoot under 200yds. In reality, 75 or less. Round nose just hits different in every cal. Dad has a savage 99 that's from the late 70s. Hole for hole with that round. It has a huge spread with the 150s. Like 5in. Sometimes, a way off flyer. It's really crazy. My axis stainless will shoot anything. I have a 264win mag handed down to me from my pap back in 88. It was made in 1958. It absolutely will not shoot 100gr but go hole for hole with 140gr. He told me that, i tried it and he was right. I retired it. I could hunt with it but the only thing I have available are 140gr corelokt pointed soft point. It rips through the dear so fast at close range it doesn't do much damage. Unless I hit a bone. If I hit a bone on the way in, it take out a huge hole on the backside. They should be reloaded with better bullets.
I have always felt a 180 gr. bullet was to heavy for the .308. I did most of my .308 shooting before there were as many choices of bullets though. I found the 180 gr. bullet in the .308 didn't retain enough velocity at distance to expand the bullet.
My 20 inch AR 10 is producing quarter sized groups at 100 yards with 180 grain Winchester Super X.
The 147 and 150 grain stuff is all over the paper.
Awesome video WTW and well spoken. You have to do the leg work to find out what your Boom Stick likes best.
I agree with you I had a marlin 3030 it liked heavy better
Great advice sir. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I have a savage 110 Hunter and a Remington 7400 carbine in 30-06. I Zeroed them with 180 grain core-lokts and at 100 yards the 165 grains shoot dead on as well.
Let us not forget these two bullets have different BC's. Also faster twist rates will better stabilize the lighter bullets. Twist rate would be much more noticeable with something like the 30 cal 120 or 110 grain.
You mean heavier bullets
My rem 700 30-06 , federal premium 165gr sierra game king . 3 shots , same hole . It loves em
I think overall the performance is pretty decent when you consider it's relatively inexpensive rifle and inexpensive hunting ammo. Now if you were shooting the $2000 plus dollar rifle and match grade ammo I would expect better. But you're right every rifle likes and dislikes different weights and different manufacturers. I had an old Mauser action 3006 made by H&R it was a tax driver with nosler 165 partition at 2,800 feet per second. I used to average 3 in at 300 yd that was my moose hunting rifle in Alaska. Thank you 👍
Thanks I have a ruger American 308 I’ll start stocking up on 150
This is so helpful. You really put it plainly and get the idea across. Thank you Who_Tee_Who.
I appreciate you watching
Who_tee man I love the 308 Winchester, but to tell you the truth I don’t have much faith in factory ammunition, because it’s loaded by a machine, I’ve found that some of it has been very inconsistent. Being a target shooter and not a hunter the factory ammunition that I do buy is the Federal 168 Gr or the 175 Gr BTHP Match. But I’ve enjoyed your video’s keep up the great work.
My AR10 with 1:10 twist lives the 165. It’s ok with 150. Hates 180. So I sling cheap 150s just banging steel and hunt with 165. It isn’t particular about brands, Hornady Black, Federal, with or without Sierra Match as long as they weigh 165 grains.
I have a Bear Creek arsenal AR 10. 20 inch barrel. It loves HEAVY stuff. The 147 grain stuff is all over the paper. But that 180 grain Winchester Super X is maling Quarter sized groups at 100 yards.
I really want to try some 178 Match grade SMKs out of it.