Bullet Weight Matter??? - Demonstrated and Explained
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The actual truth is, we can both have the exact same rife and use the exact same bullets from the same box, one rifle will shoot them different then the other. Each rifle is it’s own bullet launcher and it will prefer certain bullets that another rifle will not shoot as well. Even if that rifle shoots say 165 gr from one lot it might not shoot as well with the same bullet from a different lot.
Very true. When rifling is cut in the barrel, each barrel has different imperfections that will affect the point of impact. Once the barrel has been broken in with the series of shooting and cleaning then that's when you know what it likes.
That is the truth. Each gun shoots differently. You may not be able to tell them apart, but they will shoot differently.
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That Bushnell Banner is actually a tried and proven scope, Bushnell has made and sold it for lots of years, it comes with a lifetime warranty
Weight vs speed vs energy...Should be an interesting one!
Have the same exact rifle in 308 with a Bshnell Banner 3-9 scope. What an excellent budget deer setup. Keep up the great work!
It would almost be nice if bullet manufactures offered 5 round boxes for cheap so people could test there rifles for what it likes best.
That being said most rifle manufacturers if you read the manual will tell you what ammunition and bullet weight is recommended for the rifle
5 won't do it for me. 25 maybe, preferably 50. Even then I usually grab a hundred.
Yeah it's a drag when you shoot the first 3 rounds and have determined your gun doesn't like it.
Boxes of 10 would be perfect. Manufactures always lie about their bullet performance and speeds
Even better is a sampler for their full run of a particular cartridge
I do have to say my most impressive shot group was with Smith&Wesson AR10 sport ll with 5R Rifling, using 150GR Hornady American White Tail, all 5 shots at 100 yards were in bullseye and completely removed the orange bulls eye 🎯
A great video and an honest review for sure! A lot of factors enter into this accuracy situation and you touched on a few. In my experience with my trusted and treasured Winchester 30'06 Manlicher, it simply prefers 165-grain bullets, but it will also shoot 180s as well. But the barrel is heavier. Barrell twists rates are critical too, since I have an old Weatherby .270 magnum that shoots great with 130-grain bullets, but will not stabilize 150-grain bullets. In fact at 25 yards you could see the bullet's tumble, and a three-shot group was recorded as a "Z"! I discussed this with NOSLER, and they informed me that the twist rate of the old (JAPAN) Weatherby's was simply too slow to stabilize those bullet weights! NOSLER was great about sending me an exchange and replaced both boxes of the 150 weights with custom .130 grain bullets. Now that's great customer service for sure! PS I love your paper plate targets that's a great idea!
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My old Savage 30-06 really liked the 165 gr best but the 180’s shot well enough, just lower. It was pretty good with 150’s too. That was a sweet rifle that I gave to a family member. It’s trigger was amazing!
I have one as well and love it! Just switched from 165 to 180 grain and was wondering if it would affect my shot. Thanks for your comment!
Well, considering the 180 grain is heavier, the trajectory is lower because the velocity is lower.
I've known this for years but it really hit home when I bought 2 identical 308 rifles. One rifle prefers 125 grain Speer bullets pushed by IMR 4064 powder. The other prefers 165 grain Sierra bullets pushed by IMR 3031 powder.
Really like these ammo test videos. I don't have the same rifle as you but cool to see how they shoot for you. Even with a different rifle it gives me an idea of things to try. 👍
Over the years I've told my son the same thing. And we've passed this on to his boys (he has four). Of the six of us five shoot the 7mm mag. I'm not as picky as they are because I don't shoot the ranges they do. But each one has to use a different load for there rifle to get the accuracy they are after. So as you were saying to get the most out of your firearm you have to do a bit of shooting with different weights and brands of ammo. Thanks for your videos!
Great subject! I’ve got an AR 10 and I’ve been buying 147 grain 7.62 and I see the higher weights are really expensive!
I have the same exact rifle. My other 308s tend to prefer the 168, but the ruger American does very much like the 150s. Refloated the barrel and reinforced the stock and getting 1/2 inch groups @ 100yds. Poor man's precision rifle.
I have two .308's I use a lot. The SPS Rem Model 700 and the Savage Apex 110 hunter. Both like 150-168, grain quality ammo, and my groups at 100 yds with both rifles, and they are both always within .5" groups...always. I'm confused with the Rugar conversation and this rifle. The vice he was using should not allow for that much variation. Three concerns: 1.) The Rifle, 2.) The ammo, and 3.) the scope. With my mid-range Leopold 12 power scope, and the Vortex on the Savage Apex, I shoot tight groups always, but have never shot that green tip Remington ammo. I'm wondering if it's not loaded very consistently. Shooting Hornady ELD or Match grade ammo, and Winchester Silver tip ammo, I'm always tight on my groups with NO adjustments at 100 yds from 150-168, and 176 Match grade ammo with my two setups. Love my .308's!
My .308 is the same, WTW! I tried a number of bullet weights, and different brands. I tried a bunch of Hornady and my Weatherby spit them everywhere. Then I went to Federal and Norma and I shot sub-MOA with both! Both at 150 grain. Anything higher and I spray rounds to 2-3 inch groups! Love the content! Real world stuff here
What's the twist rate of the barrel?
These types of videos are great and very helpful it just goes to show that different Bing Bangs like different ammo. My HOWA .30-06 likes the 180GR. better so your 100% correct you need to test and see what works best for your platform. Great video im looking forward to the next video later today. WTW!!!!!
Another really fun video WTW. As with all your video very informative and educational. I for one trust your opinion because you take the time to explain the video and then prove what you say is going to happen. Be safe and keep the faith.
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Right on, good job!👍 Me & my .308 (darline) loves the 150s too.🥰
I've got a 308 and have been waiting for videos on em. Thanks for the videos! Mine likes the 150gr as well.
He is right you need to check all rounds for impact. I shoot different grain and write on box new scope zero for that round. ie: 4 click R 3 click U exc.
Great advice sir. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Very interesting. Keep the awesome vids coming
My Remington ‘06 favors the 180gr Core Lokts, and my daughter’s identical rifle does better with 165gr CL’s. Every gun is different in its own way. Great video, very informative. 👍
This is so helpful. You really put it plainly and get the idea across. Thank you Who_Tee_Who.
I appreciate you watching
My set ups over the years like the first cold shot from a dirty barrel and usually I only get one shot before the animal is down or has left the area. My set ups have been a Rem 760 pump 270 and Lee Enfield 303 Br. Good videos and comments. Hi from Cache Creek, BC, Canada.
that's some cool stuff and helpfull for sure, THANK YOU!
Great information, thanks alot WHW 👌
Another great informative video
Normally I’m only looking for minute of man or deer. Ive found most ammo is good enough at 100-150 yds. Which in my deer woods , works just fine for me.
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Sorry I missed this one! 😔
My browning loves them all! 180gr fusions are the best I’ve tried. The Hornsby super performance in 168gr is a close second. Even the 147 gr fmj are pretty accurate. It’s 1:12 twist 18.5” barrel.
A little late tonight. Headed to watch now. Looking forward to it!!
I have a Savage Axis 308 and it likes the Winchester SuperX 150gr PowerPoint. When I buy a rifle I buy a few different ammo type so I can find it’s favorite. Awesome content!!
Thanks for watching Nicholas
My savage axis 308 hates 180gr and loves 150, glad I found out on the range.
Good video. 308 Winchester is one of my favorite caliber’s. Thanks for the video.
My Browning a-bolt 2 in 300 win mag absolutely loves those 180 grain core lock tipped....3 touchin@100
Adam I have a Belgium made browning automatic in 30-06 and it likes the 165 grain boulots. It takes down blacktail and mule deer out here on the West Coast real nice.
I've shot 13 different bullets of varying weights snd tip style, and found my Ruger precision in 308 loves 165/168 grain. It wil shoot sub moa all day. The further away from that in either direction and the group opens up to near 3". Bullet testing is crucial. You could be spending mega bucks on the most expensive ammo and find that cheaper stuff may shoot just as good or better in your boom stick.
Facts. I have SO MUCH PMC and S&B and my AR 10 hates that stuff. Smh
I have an ultra cheap boolot slinger in size 308 that shoots crazy good. Took her to the range one day with 4 or 5 different brands of candy all in 150g. Mixed them up randomly in the magazine... it put them all inside an inch. 😎👍
I laughed loudly at the "that's not my 30-06!" - having multiple Ruger Americans in the background. A very nice problem to have 🤣
Thanks buddy great information
My old 06 absolutely loved 165s. Wish you'd had tossed your 150s in the mix that day just to make sure you weren't shooting MY rifle. Thanks for the vid.
Love the video. Informative and entertaining as always. So if a rifle like a specific grain weight AND a specific manufacturer, which should I start with when finding the right “projectile” for my slinger?
Thanks big bro. Great info.
It is crazy how this is. I have a different .308 rifle with the same 1:10 twist. My barrel is 2" shorter. My bing bang hates the lighter boolots. It loves the 168gr and up. Anything lighter and I'll have 4" to 8" groups. Crazy! Love you content. Keep it up! Thanks a million...
Thanks for watching David!
When I buy a new rifle I buy every brand and weight of factory ammo in that caliber I can find until I find what it likes to eat! I have a Savage .270 that just would not group anything, better than 3”, until I found some Hornady Outfitter, which uses a 130 grain solid copper bullet, and it shot a 1/2” group at 100 yards with that. Hand loading is a little different. If I want to use a heavy 180 grain bullet in my 30.06, which loves factory 150 grain bullets, I can fine tune a load that will shoot the heavier bullets.
I was going to reply to WTW on my B14 Ridge in 30-06 and I saw your reply. I reload in my shop and my shooting range is about 75 yards from my shop so I'm able to make most any bullet shoot from my Bergara. I'll start max then go low a half grain at a time and usually I can make it shoot about anything. After the break-in I settled for the Barnes TTSX in 165 grain. Clover leaf 3 shot groups at 100. Depending on twist rates and the range of weight bullets that twist rate allows, I've came to the conclusion in my mind that if you reload and you have time you can make about any bullet you want to try, shoot good. I think it has to do with speed and pressure also. Anyways thats my 2 cents. Always like to chime in on WTW's videos.
Yeah, I've got a Savage 111 in 270, and can't get it to group under about 3 inches. Will try some more loads, and the Outfitters, if I can find them here in AUS.
@@offtomars1 Wish you were closer maybe I could help you out with that issue
We’ve had issues with my son’s Savage 111 in 270 Win as well, and like WTW’s RA in 308, it definitely hasn’t found a heavy bullet cartridge it likes. While I don’t necessarily recommend the Winchester Deer Season XP 130’s because of fragmentation, that’s what shot best for my son. I’m wanting to try some copper monolithic loads in his gun, though, so I’m grateful for John Knouse’s input. Thankfully the Norma Whitetail 130 g soft points shot well out of it last year because that’s about all I could find for it then.
@@davidrussell631 that gun about drove me to drink (more)! I took 6 or 7 different types and weights of ammo to the range after I got it, thinking I’d be there an hour or so. I was there over 4 hours! It was a slow day, so the range officer was sitting next to me, and spotting for me. I’m sure after the first couple groups he thought I had no idea how to shoot! It would put 2 pretty close together (about 1” or so) then throw the 3rd, 2 or 3 inches away. Every time! If I remember right, the Outfitter was the last box I had to try. 3 shots in damn near the same hole! Made a scope adjustment up and to the left, and center punched it! I have 3 or 4 boxes on hand, but I eventually worked up a pretty good load with some Hornady 130 grain interlocks that I hunted with last year. I’ve also had good luck with the Norma in almost every caliber I’ve tried. I have a cheap Savage Axis .308, that will shoot 3/4” groups at 100 with it, but doesn’t like much else.
Took around 10 different types of ammo brands and grains before i found what my Lithgow .308 likes. Even tried the standard 150gr and 180gr corelokts but for me it was the new 180gr corelokt tipped. 3 shots touching under half an inch at 100. Shame it likes the premium stuff best. Keep up the good work! Hi from Australia.
Thanks for watching
I think that Ruger has 1:10 twist, makes perfect sense it shoots 150s better than 180s. 308 is a fine cartridge, but it and 556, I just use for ARs and only have for shtf. Much better chambers in other cartridges for precision and hunting.
Never a better reason to go shoot than to check bullets......sometimes you need to check the same bullets every weekend!🤣
Great video. Good comparison.
My Savage Model 10FPSR in .308. 20 inch barrel 1 in 10 twist, will shoot 168 grain standard load boat tail ammo point of aim all day long (Federal Sierra Match King, Winchester Ballistic Silver tip and E tip......)
Now even the Hornady Superformance in a 168 A max will start to scatter a bit versus the standard load. Most anything in a 150 grain will scatter about 2 inches, 180's will scatter about 3 inches plus drop 4. (All at 100 yards.)
Really enjoy your videos I recently bought a Caldwell precision chronograph and have been testing different factory ammo my bergara b14hmr 308win really likes the Norma whitetail 150gr but doesn't like the Hornady precision 178. What's weird it also likes fed gold medal 175 gr. And fusion 180 gr but they like what they like. Great video thanks for what you do
Same here. Just bought a new 270 after having a a 30 year old 270. My old 270 I could constantly shoot 1.5 " groups out of it with 130 grain bullets( I am not a great shot) so decided to make my old 270 a Hog gun and shoot 150's out of it. A 3" group is about the best I can pull out of it with the 150's.
I just need an inheritance to buy the ammo I need for my grendel to test to find the best with today's prices.
its because of twist rate of the barrel, speed, and seating depth. Even in 2 identical rifles there is going to be sweet spots that will be different because of those 3 factors combined but predictable after some testing. It is simple but not simple.....then we can get into copper fouling, break in, barrel temps etc
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Thanks for watching Sam
Nice set up buddy i like it.
Awesome video WTW and well spoken. You have to do the leg work to find out what your Boom Stick likes best.
Good stuff my friend.
My old savage 110 in 06 LOVES 165 gr, especially federal fusion. Which were originally a promotional under a different name, cant remember now, but named after one of these hunting shows.
They disappeared and I emailed federal and was informed they were now called “ fusions”.
It shoots most 165s very well, but those fusions are great in my rifle. ~ 1/2” 5 shot groups mostly , at 100yds.
Most of the rest it stays ~ 1” or a little less. I’m talking decent quality hunting ammo, not cheap “ where’s it from” stuff.
And , of course, 165 is the hardest to find in many brands. It does well with 150s also, but 165s are like candy to it.
even the little 22 Rimfire's can be really picky .... Great video wtw 👍
Thats very true. Everyone of my .22s likes a different kind lol.
The best caliber ever
Good video. That Ruger makes me appreciate my Savage lol
I have a savage 110 Hunter and a Remington 7400 carbine in 30-06. I Zeroed them with 180 grain core-lokts and at 100 yards the 165 grains shoot dead on as well.
Keep ‘em coming Wtw!!
Hey brother your on the right track. It's not the bullet weight though it's the velocity that the projectile is traveling and it's shape and your specific barrel. Now I know this because I can take a specific bullet weight say 150 grains. And slow it weigh down by reloading it. Then speed it up in increments and watch the group get bigger to smaller back to bigger then smaller and so on throughout the velocity ranges I push them. Now in factory ammo it's almost always as fast as they can push a bullet so less bullet weight usually means more velocity. I love your videos and will discuss anything you want about bullet accuracy and how it happens.
My PSA Ar -10 loves the heavy bullets. 180 grain can shoot 1" groups easy the 150 struggles with getting everything inside 3" in 5 shot groups. Its favorite is of course 178 grain match king( dang expensive stuff lol). Either way its great for deer no matter what you shoot. Haven't found anything that shoots less than deer vital moa .
Thanks I have a ruger American 308 I’ll start stocking up on 150
Good infor, like you said every rifle likes different loads, gotta check it out.
Very interesting! 😀
I have a Bear Creek arsenal AR 10. 20 inch barrel. It loves HEAVY stuff. The 147 grain stuff is all over the paper. But that 180 grain Winchester Super X is maling Quarter sized groups at 100 yards.
I really want to try some 178 Match grade SMKs out of it.
It is the twist that is absolutely crucial to the weight of the bullet that works in your weapon.
I have several different grain weights 150, 165 , 168 but can't remember if 180. But my ruger likes available ammo best !
In my case, I have a Ruger American in 308 where I have replaced the stock with a Magpul Hunter stock. Like WHO_TEE_WHO my 308 prefers 150gr ammo. Best shooting in that is the inexpensive Federal Power-Shok 150 grainers. They shoot better than the Federal Fusions in that rifle for me. I don't comment often but love the videos. Keep 'em coming!
Great video WTW.
This is generally what I’ve seen with the .30 cal rifles I’ve owned. My .308’s tend to do best with 165 and lighter, even with a faster twist (1:10) barrel. 30-06 can play with the 150’s, but seems to do best at 165-180 gr. My 300 Win Mag, well one was a POS (advise against buying REM 700 LR, granted example of one), but my Tikka T3X has done will in ranges from 165 (Federals Fusion and Trophy Copper) through 212 (Hornady Precision Hunter). I’ve seen a similar thing in my, and my wifes 7mm-08 (T3X Lite Stainless and T3X Superlite). Those things have eaten everything we through at them and pushed sub MOA groups, as long as it has been a 139-140 grain slug. We ran some 120s because that was all we could find to get some trigger time before last hunting season, and the groups went from sub 1” to saucer sized at 100 yards.
Great vid. I am so sorry you had to explain this again, but well done.
Thanks Greg
My rem 700 30-06 , federal premium 165gr sierra game king . 3 shots , same hole . It loves em
I Like your work, v good shoting..
My 300win likes Remington 180 gr but shooting 180 nosler bullet is a no go . Good video
My AR 10 loves the fiocche 180g. Polymer tipped
I use 168 grain sierras in my .308 and reallly love them it shoots perfect in my fnhtsr rifle
Yup. WTW said it right. Every gun is it's own animal and it will have a preference for ammo. Sure handloading changes things, but for factory ammo, there's always gonna be one that it likes over the others.
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This is one of the best video's I've seen to try and explain this so the most people can understand this.
This could make an excellent series but with UA-cam policies it has to be filmed and shared expertly.
Find a sponsor like maybe Brownells that will provide 4, 6, 10, 15 rifles of a common caliber exact same scope mounts, scopes torque wrenches for install and a professional mount used for sighting in a rifle so someone can't blame you.
Then like in this video shoot 3-5 rounds out of each of them with different weight, manufacturers off boo-lots.
Then take it to the next level find a professional reloader that matches a load to a rifle and then reshoot every 1 of the rifles to show most rifles can shoot accurately if done right.
Good luck and thanks
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You are awesome!
I love your video and the data is excellent. Life is always relative folks so personally vet your equipment.
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It’s good to know what each rifle likes, especially if you travel out of state and might need some rounds for one reason or another or if store around town are out of your favorite.
165s did good not great in this 30 cal for you this time
That’s true. I’ve got an ruger American in 308. Loves 150 . I shot 168 and it would not group them very well .
Got a Remington gamemaster 760. Loves the 180 corlokt
My fav is Remington .270 Core-Loks in 130 or 150 grains. They shoot VERY similar. But 150 grain is what I am most confident with (That's what I started out with in 1986!). In the smokepole, .50 cal T/C molded boo-lots in 275 grain with 90 grains of powder. I practice with 75 grains of powder. I heat it up with 90 grains for a deer load just for a little extra range.
I’ve been searching for a good 270 round I’ll have to try and find some core loks
@@nicholaschapman8360 Hornady makes a fine cartridge too. I'd stay away from ballistic tip bullets from ANY manufacturer, if you're looking for a deer round. Ruins too much meat. But those are very good on varmits.
With a 1 in 10” twist kind of surprised your RA likes the 150g’s the best. Out of 7 different factory bull-lots shot thus far my RA 308 Predator WOULD like best the one I can’t presently find, Sellier & Bellot’s 180g SP’s but Hornady Amer. Whitetail 165’s also group under an inch. (Worst 180g’s tried so far is the cheap Fed Power-Shok 180g with the Win Power-points coming in third, and the Fed Fusion’s a distant second to the S&B). If I splurge on some of the tipped Rem CL’s I’ll definitely pick the 150’s, though! Thanks!
You should try the federal terminal ascents I use the 175 grain 308 are very accurate used them on a nice mule deer last year in idaho
Agreed I tested prob a dozen different 308 hunting rounds and the Fed terminal ascent 175s shot the best for me as well
My AR10 with 1:10 twist lives the 165. It’s ok with 150. Hates 180. So I sling cheap 150s just banging steel and hunt with 165. It isn’t particular about brands, Hornady Black, Federal, with or without Sierra Match as long as they weigh 165 grains.
Hey Who-tee, just watched your video. My 308 really likes the Winchester Deer Season 150 Gr pills. This particular brass is quite heavy, also actual velocity is faster than advertised 2850 fps vs 2820 advertised. Highly recommended!
What barrel length?
My Tikka T3 Hunter loves the 150 grain Deer Season XP loads
Amen as said by many already, each one is it’s own animal. They sometimes trend by weight.
This is really more of a question about barrel twist if you shoot the heavier bullet you need to compare it with a rifle that prefers it that has a faster barrel twist assuming we’re talking about standard lead core bullets
I think overall the performance is pretty decent when you consider it's relatively inexpensive rifle and inexpensive hunting ammo. Now if you were shooting the $2000 plus dollar rifle and match grade ammo I would expect better. But you're right every rifle likes and dislikes different weights and different manufacturers. I had an old Mauser action 3006 made by H&R it was a tax driver with nosler 165 partition at 2,800 feet per second. I used to average 3 in at 300 yd that was my moose hunting rifle in Alaska. Thank you 👍
You explained it really good I reload I used the same load and different rifles of a sheet different
velocity? some rifles like 100 fps more some less, take that same load in the rifle and set the bullet in or out .005 on your seating depth first before you change the powder charge
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Cool video on weights 😎 👍🙏
My 308 rifles with 1 in 10 twist Always prefer 150 grain bullets Had a couple of buddies that had rifles with 1 and 12 like the heavier stuff Enjoyed the video as always