love that you're testing for precision over accuracy. Sighting can always improve a shot. So, having a cartridge perform consistently is more important to me
Very true when finding a load. Resighting, zeroing with every round just aint necessary until you settle on that one round. Groups are king, as without them it does not matter.
My gun shoots those 178 Hornady precision hunter in sub moa groups. It’s definitely the gun doesn’t shoot heavy rounds well. Mine won’t shoot anything under 150 grain. I tried 149 and they were all over along with some 150. Those Norma whitetail are sub moa in my POF Revolution rifle.
I think figuring that out has been one of my favorite parts of these 3 test videos we’ve done - just doing the work to figure out what this gun likes. It ain’t cheap, but it’s fun. Thank you for the info!
@@ReviewThisThing I was planning on using the Norma but changed my mind after trying those Superformance 150 SST. They are accurate and very destructive. I might change my mind for next season back to Norma if the destruction is too much.
In a 308 you're probably ok with the sst, but once you walk up to 06 it just drives them too hard. I've seen them blow up on deer, and my great uncle used them on a pronghorn hunt, and they blew up on the pronghorn.@@anthonybrown2426
My wife is old school, but she and her family caused the hunting bug to bite me bad. It is nice to see a lady out enjoying shooting and hunting; hardhead the guys, enough.
I love these videos! I would say that your super slim taper barrel doesn't lend itself to range style, back-to-back shooting and testing. Very well done though. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! I appreciate you watching! I’m definitely impressed with how well it shoots with basically no cooling off between shots! I may have to do some testing with longer breaks.
When shooting the heavier bullets a higher twist rate is generally needed to maintain proper rotational stability (many well done UA-cam vids to demonstrate this). Great video!
@@HookLineSinger My Savage 99 (.308 1-12/24"bbl) shoots 150gr sp Federal blue box in 1 1/2" all day (@100yds) but, anything heavier than 165gr and the spread tends to open up to 3" and more with some ammo. Lots of other variables figure in as well such as bullet coefficient, barrel length/thickness-harmonics, velocity, altitude, and human error (unless you have the rifle clamped to a sled). Mathematics don't always play out as expected in practical application. 🤷♂️
I am interested in the 165gr outfitters in 308 as my Remington 700 is my only rifle, and that Hornady outfitter with it's copper bullet should do everything for me up to elk.
One issue you get with heavy, high-bc factory loads in older cartridges is a long jump to the lands. Hornady has to load that round to 2.80 and that long sleek ojive means that bullet is way off where it wants to be. New cartridges have less freebore by design and are were designed with those long sleek bullets in mind. Almost any gun can shoot well, but older cartridges with newer style bullets really benefit from handloading with long seating to tighten up groups. A 130gr TTSX in my 308 savage axis II shoots groups in the 0.5-0.8 range with the bullets all the way out to 2.845-2.85. That cascade is a much better built rifle system and should be capable of groups in the 0.4-0.6 range with a tuned handload. That being said, if you’re hunting at normal ranges, just take those outfitters and you’re good to go. No need to squeeze out every shred of accuracy to shoot a deer at 200 yards.
... your shooting is fine ... definitely in the top tier of the youtube shooting groups ... when you shoot a big group we can be pretty sure it's the ammo ... so the comparison is meaningful ... unlike a coupe of your youtube groupies who just can't shoot
I built a high end AR10 with a match grade barrel. Hornady superformance shot an 8 inch group at 100 yards. Federal gold metal match shoots 1 moa or less. Barrel harmonics are important when it comes to accuracy. Every gun should be tested for accuracy with different loads ... if you're chasing accuracy.
Excellent point. That’s why these tests are so fun to me. We’ll likely repeat the test with different guns to see how they do with these loads. Thank you for watching.
Those Outfitters are nice rounds. I broke and shot some from my rifle along with some Norma 180 gr and Federal Terminal Ascent and man those rounds just went right where I wanted them. Another great video as always! Thank you!
I would not be surprised if with proper cool down between shots if those groups didn't shrink anywhere from a quarter to a half inch, especially with that thin barrel. That wouldn't be a factor in hunting though as you're typically only using 1 maybe 2 shots at most.
My bergara b14 hmr didn't shoot the precision hunter very well so for after 21 different ammo it likes the normal whitetail 150 gr 3 rounds cloverleaf all touching . The federal fusion 180 gr sub moa and the fed premium 168 gr berger hybrid Hunter sub moa. The outfitter like the precision hunter was basically a shotgun pattern. Anyway really enjoy your videos have watched parts 1 2 and now 3 thanks for what you do.
I've had great results with Barnes 150gr, Norma 150gr, Remington Scirroco 165 grain ( I bought 15 boxes of this back when ammo was cheap) and Remington 150 gr Coreloks. SST's have never shot good outta my Hells Canyon or Sig Cross but everything else is 1 MOA or less with my suppressor attached.
I use cheap Tula 150 steel. But found lighter varmint rounds 125 grain are way tac drivers. Havent tried 110 yet. But my short pinned barrel doesn't like heavy bullets. Bigger fireball, more noise, and more kick. But for hunting the heavier slower bullet works better to conserve meat at closer ranges. Different weights for different distances.
Thank you and thank you for watching! I later heard that you have to wait a few minutes between shots because they work best with a cold barrel. I haven’t tried that yet.
That’s the Norma I spoke about…150 soft point..love my hellfire brake too. I can send a follow up before I hear the 1st one impact with ol dd5v3 where it took so much recoil away…I’m bout to find a rem700 in .220swift and see if I can track down some 20gr bullets to go for the old record speed demon..29gr@4665fps if I ain’t mistaken..bullet weight I can’t remember
I'm a huge Barnes fan. I'd like to see how the 130 and 150 VorTX shoot... Those 168's are great projectiles. They perform more like an LRX (as do the 150's).
The 130 gr TTSX are savage. Out of all the copper bullets, they have the best expansion at 300+ yards. With the copper bullets, speed is everything. Given, you need to hit the target, too. =)
@@ReviewThisThing Copper is great, especially for quick kills for big game. But you have to be careful - slower velocities result in poor expansion, which happens frequently with heavier bullets, milder loads, at longer distances. A lot of the 165+ grain bullets don’t have great terminal performance past the 400 years, with bullet expansion being minimal. Even though they usually result in a DRT animal at much shorter distances. If you’re hunting in open plains, where the likelihood for long distance shots is high - a lighter bullet will result in a much better terminal performance.
Great job evaluating the different rounds, can you let us know your barrel length and twist? I am doing a similar test with my Remington 700 with a 20" 5r heavy barrel with a 1:10 twist, and it seems to like heavier bullets.
The Precision Hunter 178gr flies best in my Savage 110 with its Shaw Varmit profike 1:10-24" with JB muzel brake in an MDT XRS chassis... sub MOA. Many "clover leaf" groups.
Thanks for the videos x3. I have several 308 rifles as its my favorite rifle round. I had also noticed my bolt action grouping be very different than my DD5 depending on bullet grain. For some reason I always thought my variations where due to varying conditions, locations (move around alot from state to state), and just my variance from day to day.. instead of realizing that it may really just be gun performance preference in bullet type/grain/loads. I just ordered some 110gr ammo as well as 125. I'm very curious how much the ballistics will change with such light bullets out of a 308 platform. I hope to see video #4 soon.
I’m so glad you found out videos helpful! Thank you for letting me know. I never would have guessed there would be hat much difference. Part 4 will be coming in the not so distant future - make sure you subscribe so you don’t miss it 😊
I have two 308 rifles that I hunt with, a Thompson center and a Remington 700. I shoot 150 Power points out of the 700 because that's what I've always shot in my 30-30 and 30-06 I just don't hunt with them much anymore. My TC and little Savage axis 7mm-8 youth model both shoot the Hornady superformance so well you can cover a 3 shot group with a dime
It still boils down to each individual rifle. We can have the exact same rifle built one right after the other, and they will shoot the exact same ammo with different groups and point of aim. Please test a barrel deresonator and see if you can make one of the worst for your gun shoot as good or better than the best. THAT would be a good test of an item. Being able to tune your rifles for the type of ammo and bullet style and weight best suited for the type of hunting (elk vs pronghorn for example) Or for the shooter (reduced recoil perhaps) would be more efficient than buying a dozen boxes/brands and finding a few that work and eight partial boxes sitting on a shelf.
You’re exactly right! For me that’s part of the “fun.” Learning that everything is so relative and specific has taught me a lot. That’s an excellent point as well about trying to “tune” a barrel to a round it doesn’t necessarily like as well. Those heavier rounds may be much better for elk, so working with it so it shoots them well could be a great project! Thank you for your input, and thank you for watching!
Saludos desde España Enhorabuena por tus videos. Justo lo que quería ver en calibre y municiones. Tenía gasoil de ver las jornada sst 150 gr en 308win todo el mundo habla bien y mal pero no hacen ningún vídeo como el tuyo donde se ve lo que hay que ver... Por favor más videos de las ssr
I've fired a few hundred rounds of different manufacturers and weights through my Axis 308. For some reason I always find myself going back to S&B. I use their 168gr hpbt's (some sites list them as "match" although it's not printed on the box). I also get pretty good results with Freedom Munitions new (they also sell reman) 168gr match. For my 6.5 I stick with their 140gr fmjbt. If I can keep from jerking the shot both rifles are moa all day.
@@ReviewThisThing lucky gun ner had S&B for 32/bx and Target sports USA is around 27 I think. Freedom Munitions is their own thing and they're currently out of stock. Happy shooting.
@@ReviewThisThing Update: Went to a Lvl 1 Precision Rifle class last weekend (Aug 28). Ringing steel at 400y with what I had of the Freedom Munitions 168gr Match- still out of stock. Weird thing, according to Strelok with the adjustment I needed to hit I was shooting faster than the advertised muzzle velocity...by 114fps
The best info I can find (and there's not much out there) says that the Cascade in .308 has a 1:10 twist. That may have a bearing on its performance with heavier bullets.
@@ReviewThisThing I just went back and watched the first video in this series. The Cascade definitely likes the 150gr loads better -- especially the Norma. Depending on the specific load, it looks like those would be good for elk out to 300, and for deer out to a reasonable range for most shooters. Sectional density is a little light, so penetration at longer ranges would be pretty sketchy.
I’d be interested to test their Ecostrike 150 grain. I will say I haven’t had a pass through yet with the 150 grain Norma that aren’t the Whitetail, but not deer only went about 50 yards.
Got an HMR in 308, Bergara b14 barrel obviously. Same as the cascades barrel. I've found it to be half MOA consistently with the hornaday superformance 165s sst and Nosler Accubond 165s. Probably gonna try the Hornaday Black 168 next
I’m currently trying to find what works best with my b14 hmr, just purchased some 165 sst a couple of days ago. Have you found another round that works better?
Very thorough ammo test "video 1-3" With this being said, are you continuing to hunt with the Norma ammunition, or has your ammo tests given you reason to swap to another bullet?
Thanks so much! It sure is fun. For most of the groups, the time gap was basically the amount of time it took me to get up, pause the camera, switch ammo boxes, and load the magazine. In this video I do give a 10-ish minute break before I try the SST’s again.
Absolutely! Have you seen all 3 videos? I did have one round in part 2 (Hornady American Whitetail) where I had to give the barrel 5or so minutes to cool down. You can see the one flier off to the side before the 3-shot group.
Yes Ma’am I did ! And almost I have the same ammo to test ! Hornady AW,Fusion,Winchester in 150gr and Hornady Premium in 168gr and 175gr ! Again thanks are you doing a great job !
I did! The video is coming, but out of this Cascade and a Savage 110, the ONLY load that would shoot worth a hoot was Barnes 150 grain. Here is the Savage video. ua-cam.com/video/cFHHT4PQu7U/v-deo.html
Those SSTs are definitely fast. I have one 308 that doesn’t shoot them too bad , but my Tikka 308 doesn’t shoot them very well. The tikka shoots 168/165 the best, the Mossberg shoots 150s better.
This test is VALID for Bergara B-14 Ridge RIFLE ONLY ! Some people think as expensive ammo is the best ! But sometimes it fit like rocket fuel to the tractor
The Cascade does have a Bergara barrel, but all guns can obviously be different. Bergara recommends 168gr and 175gr Federal Gold Medal Match, and Berger 175gr. My Cascade doesn’t like anything heavier than 165gr so far. I’d try Norma Whitetails first.
What's your barrel twist rate and length? I would think that matters more than the ammo. My 18" ar10 in .308 shoots sub moa at 100 yards with anything over 160 grains. The 150s fly all over the place lol
@@ReviewThisThing I also drive an hour or so to a 100yd indoor range. It gives much better results to zero and lets me adjust the scope in the field. If there's one near you I recommend checking it out!
I have two 308s...a RA Predator and an Interarms Mark X. The both like the Federal Nontypical, Barnes, and Sellior & Bellot. All 150 grain. Anyone else have luck with the S&B?
I actually filmed this one twice (That’s why the thumbnail is different). I shot them in a different order in this video and got very similar results both times. BUT - I’m sure that does impact things. Thanks for watching!
Great series you got going here! I have a different rifle(Browning X-bolt Max Long Range), but then I've also had some pretty good groups with other ammo that might be worth a try in your Cascsde. The Norma Bondstrike 180-gr shot quite well in mine, might be the exception to the rule as far as heavier bullets go with your rifle? Also, Hornady loads a 165-gr Superformance SST that shoots very good for me. Federal has a round that sends a 168-gr Berger Hybrid Hunter, hasn't done that great for me but might work for you? And one that I have yet to try, the Sig Elite Hunter Tipped 165-gr, essentially a black oxided Sierra Tipped Gameking. They also load a Nosler 165-gr Accubond round that is slower than these(2700 vs 2840), haven't tried them yet either. There are LOTS of options out there, especially for a .308. Again, great series here, looking forward to the next one!
Thank you so much for watching AND for the ideas. This has been a lot of fun for me. Here’s Part 4 ua-cam.com/video/kJUCwBOkQPs/v-deo.html Thanks again for watching!
I’m in California we have to use lead free only ..so it makes it hard to find ammo for hunting .A lot of the ones u shot are very good but just affraid there not able to be hunt in California
If you’re trying to be as precise as possible, stop lifting your head off the rifle. Run the bolt without lifting your head. Everytime you lift up and go back down you’re creating a different alignment
In Argentina 20 ammunition, Hornady P.H U$D 100, Barnes U$D 100, Hornady Outfitter U$D 85, Federal U$D 130, Hornady SST U$D 75.we can't do this here because of the prices!!!!!
I know the decisive things is hold the gun without move and press trigger without move the gun and have a good vie of the target and sights, or have a good scope, of course well zeroed gun and quality gun made. But the biggest problem is when ammo velocity is not the same always. Like each bullet having different speed, the shots are all over the place like shotgun blast. Also each barrel twist rifling need the right bulletweight. This is what i know but even understanding it iam not the best shooter. Just about average
@@ReviewThisThing I have been reloading for 25 years... much cheaper and more accurate than factory... like the 308 and several other calibers you can load them down to a very light recoil but still huntable
@@ReviewThisThing just about every caliber I can shoot same hole or worse clover leaf at 100.. plus it's relaxing to take a pile of components and make it go bang and hit what you want
Thank you for your help. Something that will shoot 2" or less MOA at 100 yards for target practice and planking. I just bought some Federal Gold Medal Match 308 Win 168gr SMK BTHP for 1.30 a round, but that's for hunting. Have you guys tried the PSA AAC ammo?@@ReviewThisThing
@@RayEvangelista70 the only ammo we tried that wasn't hunting ammo was PMC Bronze, and it did not like it. I think of the ones we've shot, the Hornady American Whitetail is the cheapest, but I feel like there are probably some cheaper target loads that could be good.
The test was eh, and a lot of user error. You kept on changing your sight picture, and the optic you are using is not the greatest. Your sight picture is what killed your grouping.
@@ReviewThisThing So do 3 shots next time without lifting your head up from gun after each reload so you don’t change your sight picture. Also on those types of targets, don’t aim for the red. Instead aim at the bottom of the green triangle outside of the red center. That way you know you are aiming at the same spot every single time. When you aim at the center, you aren’t aiming at the same thing every time because it’s too big. Your groupings and zeros will be a lot more accurate if you do that. Aim small miss small. I hope that helps.
@@ReviewThisThing I really like all your videos ! I have 2 mod70 308s one shoots every thing really great while the other is so dang picky keep making the vids please I just subscribed
love that you're testing for precision over accuracy. Sighting can always improve a shot. So, having a cartridge perform consistently is more important to me
Thank you. I’m glad it might be helpful!
True!
I hand load for my 30-06 (Winchester M70), so I always enjoy some good ammo tests. Well done, thanks for the video. Be well guys.
We haven’t ventured down that road yet, but the science of it seems super interesting! Thanks for watching, as always!
Very true when finding a load. Resighting, zeroing with every round just aint necessary until you settle on that one round. Groups are king, as without them it does not matter.
You got it!
I love your videos! You are doing a great job. Good luck this coming deer season and keep the rifle and ammo reviews coming!
Thank you so much, Joe! That means a lot. I really appreciate you watching!
My gun shoots those 178 Hornady precision hunter in sub moa groups. It’s definitely the gun doesn’t shoot heavy rounds well. Mine won’t shoot anything under 150 grain. I tried 149 and they were all over along with some 150. Those Norma whitetail are sub moa in my POF Revolution rifle.
I think figuring that out has been one of my favorite parts of these 3 test videos we’ve done - just doing the work to figure out what this gun likes. It ain’t cheap, but it’s fun. Thank you for the info!
@@ReviewThisThing I was planning on using the Norma but changed my mind after trying those Superformance 150 SST. They are accurate and very destructive. I might change my mind for next season back to Norma if the destruction is too much.
@@anthonybrown2426 let me know how they do!
In a 308 you're probably ok with the sst, but once you walk up to 06 it just drives them too hard. I've seen them blow up on deer, and my great uncle used them on a pronghorn hunt, and they blew up on the pronghorn.@@anthonybrown2426
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Really good video and .308 is my go to caliber right now.
Thanks so much! I’m loving the .308.
@@ReviewThisThing Awesome, that's what I'm talking about right there. Y'all have a wonderful Sunday and stay cool from this heat.
You, too!
@@ReviewThisThing I appreciate that with your beautiful ❤️ and amazing self.
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Surprise surprise, a part 3. Love it.
😊 I’ve definitely got a part 4 in the works, too!
another great vid,,,,,,absolutely love the ammo test vids,,,,especially the 308
Thanks a ton! That really means a lot. I appreciate it!
Love my cascade in 308, just what I needed!!!
Yes! It’s such a great gun!
I’ve watched all 3 videos and I learned a lot!
That’s great!!! Don’t forget to watch 4! 😊 And the copper ones!
My wife is old school, but she and her family caused the hunting bug to bite me bad. It is nice to see a lady out enjoying shooting and hunting; hardhead the guys, enough.
Hey! Thanks so much! It’s awesome your wife and her family got you into hunting! I definitely have my husband to thank, but now I DO love it!
I love these videos! I would say that your super slim taper barrel doesn't lend itself to range style, back-to-back shooting and testing. Very well done though. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! I appreciate you watching! I’m definitely impressed with how well it shoots with basically no cooling off between shots! I may have to do some testing with longer breaks.
I love what you’re doing
Keep it up !
Thank you so much! That really means a lot. Thank you for watching!
... I like your setup ... it's very stable
Thank you. It has been working very well.
I have an old Remington 700 that I'm gonna try the outfitters in next.
Let us know how it goes.
When shooting the heavier bullets a higher twist rate is generally needed to maintain proper rotational stability (many well done UA-cam vids to demonstrate this). Great video!
Thanks so much! It makes sense what all there’s PRC rounds are coming out.
Stands to reason. I have a Kimber .308 with a 1/10 twist that much prefers 150 gr. over anything heavier.
@@HookLineSinger My Savage 99 (.308 1-12/24"bbl) shoots 150gr sp Federal blue box in 1 1/2" all day (@100yds) but, anything heavier than 165gr and the spread tends to open up to 3" and more with some ammo. Lots of other variables figure in as well such as bullet coefficient, barrel length/thickness-harmonics, velocity, altitude, and human error (unless you have the rifle clamped to a sled). Mathematics don't always play out as expected in practical application. 🤷♂️
@basshunter428 good point!
@HookLineSinger 👍🏻👍🏻
I am interested in the 165gr outfitters in 308 as my Remington 700 is my only rifle, and that Hornady outfitter with it's copper bullet should do everything for me up to elk.
When you try it, let us know.
@@ReviewThisThing will do
One issue you get with heavy, high-bc factory loads in older cartridges is a long jump to the lands. Hornady has to load that round to 2.80 and that long sleek ojive means that bullet is way off where it wants to be. New cartridges have less freebore by design and are were designed with those long sleek bullets in mind. Almost any gun can shoot well, but older cartridges with newer style bullets really benefit from handloading with long seating to tighten up groups. A 130gr TTSX in my 308 savage axis II shoots groups in the 0.5-0.8 range with the bullets all the way out to 2.845-2.85. That cascade is a much better built rifle system and should be capable of groups in the 0.4-0.6 range with a tuned handload.
That being said, if you’re hunting at normal ranges, just take those outfitters and you’re good to go. No need to squeeze out every shred of accuracy to shoot a deer at 200 yards.
Great point. That may be the next step 😊
... your shooting is fine ... definitely in the top tier of the youtube shooting groups ... when you shoot a big group we can be pretty sure it's the ammo ... so the comparison is meaningful ... unlike a coupe of your youtube groupies who just can't shoot
Well, I appreciate that! Thank you.
I built a high end AR10 with a match grade barrel. Hornady superformance shot an 8 inch group at 100 yards. Federal gold metal match shoots 1 moa or less. Barrel harmonics are important when it comes to accuracy. Every gun should be tested for accuracy with different loads ... if you're chasing accuracy.
Excellent point. That’s why these tests are so fun to me. We’ll likely repeat the test with different guns to see how they do with these loads. Thank you for watching.
Those Outfitters are nice rounds. I broke and shot some from my rifle along with some Norma 180 gr and Federal Terminal Ascent and man those rounds just went right where I wanted them. Another great video as always! Thank you!
I was definitely impressed. Thanks so much! And thank you for watching!
@@ReviewThisThing Yes ma’am!
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love the outfitters. Only run it through my 7 mag. going to try 308 next because barnes doesnt shoot all that good through my deer rifle
@awesomeatrandom581 let us know how it shoots.
My Howa .308 shot sub MOA with the fed premium 165gr. Anything heavier or lighter wasn’t grouping well.
I think that’s so interesting. Just goes to show that you have to find what your gun likes.
I would not be surprised if with proper cool down between shots if those groups didn't shrink anywhere from a quarter to a half inch, especially with that thin barrel. That wouldn't be a factor in hunting though as you're typically only using 1 maybe 2 shots at most.
Good point.
My bergara b14 hmr didn't shoot the precision hunter very well so for after 21 different ammo it likes the normal whitetail 150 gr 3 rounds cloverleaf all touching . The federal fusion 180 gr sub moa and the fed premium 168 gr berger hybrid Hunter sub moa. The outfitter like the precision hunter was basically a shotgun pattern. Anyway really enjoy your videos have watched parts 1 2 and now 3 thanks for what you do.
Thank you so much for watching! I appreciate it. And thanks for that info. It sure seems the Norma are super consistent!!!
I've had great results with Barnes 150gr, Norma 150gr, Remington Scirroco 165 grain ( I bought 15 boxes of this back when ammo was cheap) and Remington 150 gr Coreloks. SST's have never shot good outta my Hells Canyon or Sig Cross but everything else is 1 MOA or less with my suppressor attached.
Awesome! I just saw Barnes 150 grain yesterday. I should have bought some. I did buy some Core Lokt 150, so I’m excited to see how they do.
I use cheap Tula 150 steel. But found lighter varmint rounds 125 grain are way tac drivers. Havent tried 110 yet. But my short pinned barrel doesn't like heavy bullets. Bigger fireball, more noise, and more kick. But for hunting the heavier slower bullet works better to conserve meat at closer ranges. Different weights for different distances.
Makes sense. Thank you!
Nice shootin !
Hey! Thank you! Thanks for watching!
I love videos like this. One thing I'll say, the superformance ammo will not shoot in any rifle i own. Sadly, it's everywhere in my area.
Thank you and thank you for watching! I later heard that you have to wait a few minutes between shots because they work best with a cold barrel. I haven’t tried that yet.
@@ReviewThisThing yes ma'am. The good thing about the 308 is ammo availability. Good shooting!
Exactly! Thank you!
That’s the Norma I spoke about…150 soft point..love my hellfire brake too. I can send a follow up before I hear the 1st one impact with ol dd5v3 where it took so much recoil away…I’m bout to find a rem700 in .220swift and see if I can track down some 20gr bullets to go for the old record speed demon..29gr@4665fps if I ain’t mistaken..bullet weight I can’t remember
Ahhhh. SWEET!
I'm a huge Barnes fan. I'd like to see how the 130 and 150 VorTX shoot... Those 168's are great projectiles. They perform more like an LRX (as do the 150's).
I just saw a box of 150 grain yesterday! I’d love to see how they do, too. I at have to go pick one up!
The 130 gr TTSX are savage.
Out of all the copper bullets, they have the best expansion at 300+ yards.
With the copper bullets, speed is everything.
Given, you need to hit the target, too. =)
I keep hearing great things about those Barnes. It sounds like using copper, or at least bonded bullets, may be the way to go.
@@ReviewThisThing Copper is great, especially for quick kills for big game.
But you have to be careful - slower velocities result in poor expansion, which happens frequently with heavier bullets, milder loads, at longer distances.
A lot of the 165+ grain bullets don’t have great terminal performance past the 400 years, with bullet expansion being minimal. Even though they usually result in a DRT animal at much shorter distances.
If you’re hunting in open plains, where the likelihood for long distance shots is high - a lighter bullet will result in a much better terminal performance.
I’ll definitely keep that in mind. Thank you.
Great job evaluating the different rounds, can you let us know your barrel length and twist? I am doing a similar test with my Remington 700 with a 20" 5r heavy barrel with a 1:10 twist, and it seems to like heavier bullets.
It has a 1:10 twist and a 22” barrel. Thank you for watching!
The Precision Hunter 178gr flies best in my Savage 110 with its Shaw Varmit profike 1:10-24" with JB muzel brake in an MDT XRS chassis... sub MOA. Many "clover leaf" groups.
Wow! That’s great! We used those in I think the 3rd video and didn’t see great results.
Thanks for the videos x3. I have several 308 rifles as its my favorite rifle round. I had also noticed my bolt action grouping be very different than my DD5 depending on bullet grain. For some reason I always thought my variations where due to varying conditions, locations (move around alot from state to state), and just my variance from day to day.. instead of realizing that it may really just be gun performance preference in bullet type/grain/loads. I just ordered some 110gr ammo as well as 125. I'm very curious how much the ballistics will change with such light bullets out of a 308 platform. I hope to see video #4 soon.
I’m so glad you found out videos helpful! Thank you for letting me know. I never would have guessed there would be hat much difference. Part 4 will be coming in the not so distant future - make sure you subscribe so you don’t miss it 😊
Awesome videos! Please do a test on Lead-free 308 150 grains. Thanks
I’ll see what I can do 😊
I have two 308 rifles that I hunt with, a Thompson center and a Remington 700. I shoot 150 Power points out of the 700 because that's what I've always shot in my 30-30 and 30-06 I just don't hunt with them much anymore. My TC and little Savage axis 7mm-8 youth model both shoot the Hornady superformance so well you can cover a 3 shot group with a dime
Very nice! Thank you!
Can we see how the hornady black 308 groups in bolt and semi automatic rifles
Hmmm...I don't think I have any of that...I'll see what I can do.
Please try the .308 Norma Whitetail 150gr rounds. They shoot great out of my CVA Cascade and Tikka t3x. Also do a great job on deer.
Hey, Joe. We did! ua-cam.com/video/-1C5gnuMe7w/v-deo.html They DO shoot great!
It still boils down to each individual rifle. We can have the exact same rifle built one right after the other, and they will shoot the exact same ammo with different groups and point of aim.
Please test a barrel deresonator and see if you can make one of the worst for your gun shoot as good or better than the best. THAT would be a good test of an item. Being able to tune your rifles for the type of ammo and bullet style and weight best suited for the type of hunting (elk vs pronghorn for example)
Or for the shooter (reduced recoil perhaps) would be more efficient than buying a dozen boxes/brands and finding a few that work and eight partial boxes sitting on a shelf.
You’re exactly right! For me that’s part of the “fun.” Learning that everything is so relative and specific has taught me a lot.
That’s an excellent point as well about trying to “tune” a barrel to a round it doesn’t necessarily like as well. Those heavier rounds may be much better for elk, so working with it so it shoots them well could be a great project!
Thank you for your input, and thank you for watching!
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Enhorabuena por tus videos. Justo lo que quería ver en calibre y municiones. Tenía gasoil de ver las jornada sst 150 gr en 308win todo el mundo habla bien y mal pero no hacen ningún vídeo como el tuyo donde se ve lo que hay que ver...
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Thank you so much for watching! I appreciate it!
Great Video. I like Videos with Ammo Tests. What for a Twist Rate does your CVA have?
Thank you! I appreciate you watching! It’s a 1:10 twist rate.
@@ReviewThisThing So I"m back from the Shootingrange an the Barnes TTSX BT in 150gr was the best of the Ammo If testet
Awesome. Thank you!
Informative video love to see more awesome seeing women in the sport
Thank you! I love it. Thank you for watching!
Ya gotta and I mean.. you HAVE to try the hornady black 168gr A-max!
Haha. I’ll add it to the list 😊Thanks!
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Thank you so much! I really appreciate it!
I've fired a few hundred rounds of different manufacturers and weights through my Axis 308.
For some reason I always find myself going back to S&B. I use their 168gr hpbt's (some sites list them as "match" although it's not printed on the box). I also get pretty good results with Freedom Munitions new (they also sell reman) 168gr match.
For my 6.5 I stick with their 140gr fmjbt. If I can keep from jerking the shot both rifles are moa all day.
I’ve heard a few good things about S&B but haven’t tried them yet. We’ll have to see if we can find them. Thanks so much!
@@ReviewThisThing lucky gun ner had S&B for 32/bx and Target sports USA is around 27 I think.
Freedom Munitions is their own thing and they're currently out of stock.
Happy shooting.
Thank you! You, too!
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Update:
Went to a Lvl 1 Precision Rifle class last weekend (Aug 28). Ringing steel at 400y with what I had of the Freedom Munitions 168gr Match- still out of stock.
Weird thing, according to Strelok with the adjustment I needed to hit I was shooting faster than the advertised muzzle velocity...by 114fps
@@politicallyinsensitive4200 how fun was that?!?
Federal Terminal Ascent. Nuff said.
Okay! 😊
The best info I can find (and there's not much out there) says that the Cascade in .308 has a 1:10 twist. That may have a bearing on its performance with heavier bullets.
It definitely is a 1:10. I’d be interested in trying a tuning brake to see if that would change anything but haven’t done it yet.
@@ReviewThisThing I just bought a .308 before I realized it's a 1:10. Wasn't paying enough attention.
@@ReviewThisThing I just went back and watched the first video in this series. The Cascade definitely likes the 150gr loads better -- especially the Norma. Depending on the specific load, it looks like those would be good for elk out to 300, and for deer out to a reasonable range for most shooters. Sectional density is a little light, so penetration at longer ranges would be pretty sketchy.
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I’d be interested to test their Ecostrike 150 grain. I will say I haven’t had a pass through yet with the 150 grain Norma that aren’t the Whitetail, but not deer only went about 50 yards.
Got an HMR in 308, Bergara b14 barrel obviously. Same as the cascades barrel. I've found it to be half MOA consistently with the hornaday superformance 165s sst and Nosler Accubond 165s. Probably gonna try the Hornaday Black 168 next
Awesome! Thank you. I actually really like the process of finding the right ammo for your gun. Thank you for the info!
I’m currently trying to find what works best with my b14 hmr, just purchased some 165 sst a couple of days ago.
Have you found another round that works better?
I haven’t tested rounds out of that one. Check this list www.bergara.online/us/accuracy-testing/
Very thorough ammo test "video 1-3"
With this being said, are you continuing to hunt with the Norma ammunition, or has your ammo tests given you reason to swap to another bullet?
So far I’m still planning on hunting with the Normas. I did buy a few boxes of the Federal Fusion 150 grain, though in case I change my mind 😊
Great vidios ,you are a good shooter ! now get the ec tuner and then make us some more vidios please
Thank you! I KNOW! That’s definitely in the works for sure. Thank you for watching!
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Thanks for watching!!!
Great video Ma’am ! Congrats ! I have a question,how long is the waiting time between each group of shots ?
Thanks so much! It sure is fun. For most of the groups, the time gap was basically the amount of time it took me to get up, pause the camera, switch ammo boxes, and load the magazine. In this video I do give a 10-ish minute break before I try the SST’s again.
Ok thanks Ma’am ! I have a Bergara B14 in .308 ready to zero and that information is priceless to me !! Thanks and regards 👍
Absolutely! Have you seen all 3 videos? I did have one round in part 2 (Hornady American Whitetail) where I had to give the barrel 5or so minutes to cool down. You can see the one flier off to the side before the 3-shot group.
Yes Ma’am I did ! And almost I have the same ammo to test ! Hornady AW,Fusion,Winchester in 150gr and Hornady Premium in 168gr and 175gr ! Again thanks are you doing a great job !
Awesome! Thank you so much. Good luck. Let me know which works best for you.
Have y’all tried the Norma 180 grain bound strike?
We haven’t. It would be interesting to see, but anything over 165 seems to fly around with this 1:10 twist rate.
Have you tried any non lead 308 ammo testing for us California residents who are forced to shoot non lead ammo .😢
I did! The video is coming, but out of this Cascade and a Savage 110, the ONLY load that would shoot worth a hoot was Barnes 150 grain. Here is the Savage video. ua-cam.com/video/cFHHT4PQu7U/v-deo.html
Hey there! I would love to hear your take on the Holosun SCS for Glock pistols. Any plans to make one? Thanks!
Hmmm…I don’t have that one. We do have several red dot reviews in the future planned. I’ll take a look at that one.
Ever shot a slow burning powder .308 ammo? Was wondering what brand
Hm…not that I’m aware of
Can you tell me what length barrel and what twist rate you were using. Thanks.
Hey there! It’s a 22” barrel with a 1:10 twist.
Those SSTs are definitely fast. I have one 308 that doesn’t shoot them too bad , but my Tikka 308 doesn’t shoot them very well. The tikka shoots 168/165 the best, the Mossberg shoots 150s better.
Thank you! I love learning how different guns handle different ammo.
I used to use the igman 147 fmj for target practice but it is since been discontinued for some reason and now i use a 155gr
Work pretty good?
@ReviewThisThing yes actually I use the SST 308 and it loves that round
Nice. That’s what’s so interesting to me about this stuff.
@@ReviewThisThingif I can't find any superformance sst I always go to hornady American whitetail 150
@Dannyedelman4231 those are pretty solid.
This test is VALID for Bergara B-14 Ridge RIFLE ONLY ! Some people think as expensive ammo is the best ! But sometimes it fit like rocket fuel to the tractor
This is actually a CVA Cascade, but you’re right. You have to figure out what your gun likes. Thanks for watching!
I just picked up one of these (Bergara's) in 308 Maybe you can help on what they seem to like and I can use that as a starting point, thanks.
The Cascade does have a Bergara barrel, but all guns can obviously be different. Bergara recommends 168gr and 175gr Federal Gold Medal Match, and Berger 175gr. My Cascade doesn’t like anything heavier than 165gr so far. I’d try Norma Whitetails first.
What's your barrel twist rate and length? I would think that matters more than the ammo. My 18" ar10 in .308 shoots sub moa at 100 yards with anything over 160 grains. The 150s fly all over the place lol
Haha. Nice. It’s a 22” barrel with a 1:10 twist rate.
@@ReviewThisThing I also drive an hour or so to a 100yd indoor range. It gives much better results to zero and lets me adjust the scope in the field. If there's one near you I recommend checking it out!
@NM-yu3fc that’s pretty awesome. Need to check it out.
Nice
Thank you! I appreciate you watching!
Only relative to your rifle....Should be....Best Round that Suits my Rifle. My gun Hates Superformance but loves S&B.
100%. That’s the key.
Federal terminal accent and trophy bonded do good out my AR10 the 180 trophy bonded lays deer down in tracks
I’ve heard really good things about those.
I have two 308s...a RA Predator and an Interarms Mark X. The both like the Federal Nontypical, Barnes, and Sellior & Bellot. All 150 grain. Anyone else have luck with the S&B?
I haven’t gotten any of those in .308 yet. Every time I finish one of these videos, I learn about more rounds I need to try!
Federal berger hybrid hunter 168grn 5 shot group 100yrds out of a savage axis 2 308 bullet on bullet
Heck yeah. Haven’t tried those!
I'm not a fan of Hornady choose to reload for my .308 win. Nosler is my #1 in accu bond 125 gr..
Okay! I’ve heard good things about those.
You shot the precision hunter with a cold bore. That probably messed with the results. The warmer your bore got the tighter your groups got.
I actually filmed this one twice (That’s why the thumbnail is different). I shot them in a different order in this video and got very similar results both times. BUT - I’m sure that does impact things. Thanks for watching!
I'm guessing that rifle is 1:12 and only marginally stabilizing some of the heavier bullets, maybe that's why they start losing accuracy
It’s a 1:10, but I think you’re right.
You really need to test Sako 308 ammo.
I’ll definitely have to see if I can find some!
Twist rate? I must have missed it, my apologies.
I may not have said. It’s 1:10.
What is the twist rate on your barrel?
1:10
Great series you got going here! I have a different rifle(Browning X-bolt Max Long Range), but then I've also had some pretty good groups with other ammo that might be worth a try in your Cascsde. The Norma Bondstrike 180-gr shot quite well in mine, might be the exception to the rule as far as heavier bullets go with your rifle? Also, Hornady loads a 165-gr Superformance SST that shoots very good for me. Federal has a round that sends a 168-gr Berger Hybrid Hunter, hasn't done that great for me but might work for you? And one that I have yet to try, the Sig Elite Hunter Tipped 165-gr, essentially a black oxided Sierra Tipped Gameking. They also load a Nosler 165-gr Accubond round that is slower than these(2700 vs 2840), haven't tried them yet either.
There are LOTS of options out there, especially for a .308. Again, great series here, looking forward to the next one!
Thank you so much for watching AND for the ideas. This has been a lot of fun for me. Here’s Part 4 ua-cam.com/video/kJUCwBOkQPs/v-deo.html Thanks again for watching!
Gmx had been discontinued for CX
Well, then. Thanks!
You will not get a fair read on mixed copper and lead ammo without cleaning the bore after shooting lead core ammo!!!!!
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This stuff is fun!
Is the Norma brand lead free ??
It’s not. At least not that particular round. I’m not sure if they have one that is.
I’m in California we have to use lead free only ..so it makes it hard to find ammo for hunting .A lot of the ones u shot are very good but just affraid there not able to be hunt in California
If you’re trying to be as precise as possible, stop lifting your head off the rifle. Run the bolt without lifting your head. Everytime you lift up and go back down you’re creating a different alignment
I appreciate that. Definitely seen the PRS guys do it.
I feel a part 2 of 3 coming in the future.....
I know, right! There are so many options!
@@ReviewThisThing Since you know your rifle likes 150gr on the next set try to get just those.
Yep. Makes sense for sure.
In Argentina 20 ammunition, Hornady P.H U$D 100, Barnes U$D 100, Hornady Outfitter U$D 85, Federal U$D 130, Hornady SST U$D 75.we can't do this here because of the prices!!!!!
That’s crazy! I definitely Wouldn’t do it at those prices either!!!
@@ReviewThisThing how much does a box of 20 bullets cost 308 Win 150 gr SST Superperformance - Hornady
About $42.
@@ReviewThisThing Thank you very much. When you come to Argentina you can go through La Pampa. I invite you to hunt
That’s very kind of you!
Barnes 168 grain shoots best out of my Tikka.
Which Tikka do you have?
TTSX BT
I know the decisive things is hold the gun without move and press trigger without move the gun and have a good vie of the target and sights, or have a good scope, of course well zeroed gun and quality gun made. But the biggest problem is when ammo velocity is not the same always. Like each bullet having different speed, the shots are all over the place like shotgun blast. Also each barrel twist rifling need the right bulletweight. This is what i know but even understanding it iam not the best shooter. Just about average
Makes sense!
The very best is what I hand load
Haven’t gotten in to that just yet.
@@ReviewThisThing I have been reloading for 25 years... much cheaper and more accurate than factory... like the 308 and several other calibers you can load them down to a very light recoil but still huntable
That’s awesome! I’m bet they’re about perfect then!
@@ReviewThisThing just about every caliber I can shoot same hole or worse clover leaf at 100.. plus it's relaxing to take a pile of components and make it go bang and hit what you want
It sounds like it! That’s awesome!
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speed ???
Muzzle velocity? Or time between shots?
What is the best cheap 308 you have found?
Best for accuracy? Hunting? If hunting, do you want it to pass through?
@ReviewThisThing target and plinking. Thank you for your help.
For sure! How cheap?
Thank you for your help. Something that will shoot 2" or less MOA at 100 yards for target practice and planking. I just bought some Federal Gold Medal Match 308 Win 168gr SMK BTHP for 1.30 a round, but that's for hunting. Have you guys tried the PSA AAC ammo?@@ReviewThisThing
@@RayEvangelista70 the only ammo we tried that wasn't hunting ammo was PMC Bronze, and it did not like it. I think of the ones we've shot, the Hornady American Whitetail is the cheapest, but I feel like there are probably some cheaper target loads that could be good.
The test was eh, and a lot of user error. You kept on changing your sight picture, and the optic you are using is not the greatest. Your sight picture is what killed your grouping.
Thanks for your input!
@@ReviewThisThing So do 3 shots next time without lifting your head up from gun after each reload so you don’t change your sight picture. Also on those types of targets, don’t aim for the red. Instead aim at the bottom of the green triangle outside of the red center. That way you know you are aiming at the same spot every single time. When you aim at the center, you aren’t aiming at the same thing every time because it’s too big. Your groupings and zeros will be a lot more accurate if you do that. Aim small miss small. I hope that helps.
@kromine7 I’ll try that for sure. Thank you.
Monolithic are not great hunting bullets.
Why do you say that?
Don't shoot the little guy. He's just cruising by
Haha. Exactly!
Just go home and do cooking videos…
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Where's your video? What a thing to say to a really nice lady that can out shoot most of us guys
Haha. Thank you, Keith. I appreciate your support. It’s kind of comical how many of these kinds of comments I get.
@@ReviewThisThing I really like all your videos ! I have 2 mod70 308s one shoots every thing really great while the other is so dang picky keep making the vids please I just subscribed
Thank you so much. I do really appreciate all of your support!
I have a sako finnlight it shoots best with 165 gr trophy copper
.308? What do you think about the Sako?
@@ReviewThisThing great rifles accurate just little expensive
@angelor9433 great. Thanks!