4 Levels of Ravioli: Amateur to Food Scientist | Epicurious
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2021
- We challenged chefs of three different skill levels - amateur Onika, home cook Gabrielle, and professional chef Frank Proto from The Institute Of Culinary Education - to make us their favorite ravioli. Once each level of chef had served up their creation, we asked expert food scientist Rose to explain the choices each made along the way - both good and bad. Which level of ravioli are you digging into first?
Check out Frank's level 3 recipe on the ICE blog: www.ice.edu/blog/duck-confit-...
Learn more with Chef Frank on his UA-cam Channel ProtoCooks!
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If someone told me Frank makes his own water, I seriously wouldn’t be surprised
"I'm going to start my water at the dehumidifier. Starting with pure deionized water allows us to control our mineral content and pH and lay the bedrock of our water flavor."
“Here we have 24 dm^3 of Oxygen and 48 dm^3 of hydrogen gas. There’s gonna be some explosions, but after we wait for it to fully react, we can expect 1 mole of pure water. Remember to give it a heat source!“
😂😂😂
@@Makingnewnamesisdumb there you go😂
@@Makingnewnamesisdumb 😂😂😂 I actually read your comment with Frank's voice in my head!
The moment Onika whipped out those lasagna noodles for a ravioli challenge I became emotionally invested.
A national treasure
@@miranda9391 🤣
I lowkey stan her. She's just chillin and isn't full of herself, I love it 😂
😂
she's doing her best 😂
I don’t care how much professional training Frank has, Onika took pasta meant for lasagna and made it into ravioli. That is talent
No that’s just not wanting to make her own ravioli
@@luvnor hey at the very least it’s clever. I have to respect that, girl could probably make linguine out of tortellini
@@luvnorgirl shut your weave wearing self up
One thing I really love about these videos is that no cooking style is criticized. They all have their purpose and place. And when the food scientist goes over everything, they always talk about why things work. These videos are meant to teach, not to criticize.
i mean onika threw some unnecessary shade at frank for the egg yolk and it’s just kinda annoying how ignorant she is because that’s a part of an actual Italian dish
Sarah Uscanga because it's unusual to her, it's unusual to most people who probably have never had that dish before
@@sarahuscanga1187 It was shade, but it was funny. Frank is my favorite chef on this channel, and I enjoyed that bit of entertaining shade from Onika.
@@sarahuscanga1187 leave onika alone!!
What about beerani
Frank lost me when he said he’s only serving me one ravioli
whats one single ravioli called? raviolo? xD
@@vrishabbs You are actually correct
At least he didn't lose you throughout the tutorial
What he maded it's called "Raviolone" = Big Raviolo
Lol I was like “Go ahead, don’t be greedy, add another one please”
Me as a lvl 0 Chef: "So you first open the can of Chef Boyardee..."
OH MY GOD THAT MADE MY DAY THANK YOU !!!! 🤣😂🤦 "level 0" i'm more an underground level chef tho'
Once in a while as a childhood memory guilty pleasure...
Ngl, I was hoping the level 1 chef was going to pull out a can of Ravioli and say "First step is pull the tab on the can....okay, just kidding, here's what we're actually doing."
@@Silentgrace11 LOL THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT
Heating it? What am I, a level 1 chef?
Onika is literally the funniest chef ever lol
“I want my noodles to be- *actually wobbles* -wobbly.”
“You can get these at the supermarket. On the bottom shelf, you grab em, and here are they are.”
“It’s like putting your kids in the bath. Don’t kick your brother.”
“It’s like getting a dumb email and that one guy is like ‘I don’t mean to throw you under the bus’- as he throws you under the bus.”
“His name is Tom.”
“A whole egg yolk? In a ravioli? But, just an egg and you just bite into-” *confused look*
You forgot “to the left, take a back now y’all, one hop- sorry” 13:29
Based onika
I found that kinda cringe
😂😂😂 it was the Tom line that had me
It’s snowing it’s snowing on her ravioli
Level 1 chef: a mom
Level 2 chef: not confident after a year of culinary school
Level 3 chef: puts as much unusual and expensive foods possible
@Edita Ševčíková Cause of course that's the only thing he did.....
Franks singular ravioli is probably like 150$ because of the pure time, effort and raw materials put into it
@Edita Ševčíková well nettle is a raw material, kind of like a tree or something...
@Edita Ševčíková duck isn't exactly cheap tho, although I guess that depends on where you are
what about his food was unusual? cause if you’re actually educated in the food industry then you would know most of what he used is normal. the only thing i would consider “unusual” would be the nettles
*Gabrielle making her own pasta:* I’m finally on Franks level
*Meanwhile frank:* Preparing three course meal for his duck to use her eggs to make pasta
Who’s eggs exactly😂😂
@@tazecamo the duck's eggs
The duck...how would we ever be able to live without duck exploitation!?!?? Lol
HAHAHAHA THIS
Actually, at 3:43, Gabrielle even says, “Man, am I level 1 today?”
What I expected from Frank: he makes his own pasta
What I got: he makes his own pasta with nettles and duck eggs and fills them with duck meat and a whole duck egg
That sounds so delicious 😋
And duck fat
He also grows his own grains and he mills it by hand to make the flour
We didnt even get to see if the Egg was runny or not!!!
@@MrSinister718 zz
"THIS is my ravioli"
"THIS is my ravioli"
"And that is my duck ravioli"
He even had to make the line up himself.
It's not even duck Ravioli, it's just one duck Riviolo
THIS is my ravioli. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
How does a chef of 24 years say “maRscapone”
And why no PrimaDonna cheese?
@@davidtinoco2484 you’re actually dumb asf have you heard of an accent?
I love that they're interacting with each other, that was something the earlier episodes didn't have. One step closer to getting everyone to try each other's dishes? After the pandemic ofc.
SAME!!!
Let's be honest, Onika and her pasta sheets are the real deal. I stan her chill and no stress strategy.
Same!
Her attitude is very endearing ^^
omg americans are so lazy
@@ssophiateens ravioli ravioli, give us the formuoli
@@ssophiateens Work smarter.
When Onika said "you just get it (the pasta from the box of pasta), and it's here", I understood that down to my soul.
I feel the same. For years I've been fascinated at how my friends and family seem to have pasta in their houses, and every time I asked them what the secret is it always seemed like this long complicated story about driving to the grocery store, "buying" something, I don't know, something about a cashier... But finally I feel like I understand it after Onika explained everything. 😄
I can, will, and MUST watch Onika make every dish ten times easier. I genuinely never would have thought to use store-bought lasagna! I adore her.
ok
The one thing I pray every day is for them to taste each others dishes in this series
Same
Your not wrong
@@callistoarmy5576 it’s all covers bruh 💀
@@callistoarmy5576
U might be better off advertising yourself on a music channel, rather a cooking channel....js.
@@callistoarmy5576 Reported as spam.
my favorite part of theses videos is that no matter what level the chef is, they're always happy with what they made! i think that's the best part of cooking; making something and stepping back to think "wow, i made this!" and getting to enjoy your hard work!
Damn thats deep.
Yes!!! Couldn't agree more!
Not gonna lie, Gabrielle looked like she was just trying to hold back how awful hers actually was. That was the look of pure pain.
@@tarkan6729 It wasn't that it was awful, it was that it wasn't cooked. Didn't she say she only put it in the boiling water for ten seconds? Sigh... Her recipe was terrible anyway if you actually watch what she did. I thought she was learning something from culinary school, but apparently not.
Except only one of them is a chef. Videos like this degrade the title of chef making seem like any one and everyone is a chef.
"Frank, you're making pasta today."
"Imma need Stinging Nettles and all the duck you have."
Frank is an actual madman.
Frank, to the staging dept.: "wait. I worry what you heard was 'bring me a lot of duck and stinging nettles'. What I said was bring me 'all the stinging nettles and duck you have'."
@@dansanders9121 parks and rec 😊
Frank really cooked a duck for 3hr to eat ONE ravioli? smh
He had to start the day before to do the confit process!
there’s nothing wrong with putting extra work to make a high quality dish
This is why I don’t cook. The restaurant can deal with all that hassle. I just wanna eat it😂
My guess is he probably cooks for a multiple course meal - the individual dishes are smaller portions so you can taste more things.
@@Kindelwyrm2 cmon, 1 ravioli isnt even a meal
Someone needs to compile all the Frank Makes comments and make a cookbook. Prometheus brought fire to mankind but Frank was already cooking 23 mins before he did
And this comment would be the foreword 😂
10/10 comment
That was the most level 1 thing that I ever saw on this channel.
More than the cheesecake pancake guy?
@@paola7045 That was funny, this is horrific.
@@paola7045 i mean im sure it was very unhealthy buuut im pretty sure it would taste great (in moderation)
Cheesecake-in-the-pancake was still better, but this was close
Ong
I can’t be mad the level 1 is so proud to use boxed pasta… I was honestly expecting the level 1 to just use prepackaged ravioli and canned sauce lol
That’s level 0 😂. No complains tho. Since I’m a level 0 myself 🤣
@@yamilethdeleon3873 lol literally was thinking the same. No shame. Whatever works best for the situation
All three of them have immaculate vibes! They’re all so peaceful and beautiful people. All three recipes may be different but amazing in their own way! I love Onika’s no stress way, immaculate! Gabrielle’s way is so peppy and fun! And of course, Frank is amazing as well! Awesome job all of them!
Your comment is so nice and I love it! I wholeheartedly agree!
Frank's recipe should be called "Fifty shades of duck"
I laughed way to hard at this comment! LOL
There actually is a cook book called "Fifty Shades of Chicken!"
This comment killed me! hahahahahaha!
@@_Toxicity I thought it was kinda lame that EL James tried to sue the creator of the book. It’s parody for Pete’s sake.
Lol
Onika is in her own world just making stuff up 😂
She is a mood 😆
She's hysterical but BY FAR the worst amateur they've ever had. BY FAR.
@@ross-carlson agreed funny as hell, but borderline cooking misinformation
LOL
@@ross-carlson Chill
One thing I love most about this series is that the level 1 chefs still make a great looking plate, which is perfect for those of us who accept our mediocrity in the kitchen and it gives us a nice, realistic goal to aspire to. Keep up the good work epicurios!
Gabrielle throwing shade at the pasta maker was one of the best parts of this video 😂. Her dish looked so good and homey ! You already know Frank’s dish was over the top perfection … but you’ll never be able to nail it at home lol
Well Onika’s dish 😂 love the effort haha she gets the points for not using pre-made ravioli that you just boil as most of us do.
if anyone wants to see more of Frank, he has his own UA-cam channel called Protocooks
Nice, thank you.
Cool will check it out
Best comment 👌
Great to know, thanks
Thankyou
Instead of curing the duck, can I just use one that wasn't sick to begin with?
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yessir
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😂😂😂
Almost missed the joke!
Onika is honestly hilarious. "it's like giving your kids a bath - dont kick your brother!" haha
No!
@@kieshabrown9274 shut up
@@kieshabrown9274 you have no kid keisha
Lmao!!
Onika is a great addition! I wish she and Emily could do an episode together. Then add Lorenzo and Julie. Top it off with Frank reading his chickens bedtime stories so the eggs are made with more love to be extra delicious and Saul just being fantastic…. I know that’s twice the limit, but that would be just too amazing. But really they are all great! - Gabby, is so creative.
Please bring Onika back, she's hilarious 🤣❤️
if i got one single ravioli on a plate i’d probably cry
And then, when you give it the benefit of the doubt and try it, theres an egg yolk inside. Thats a meal thatll ruin your whole week
Literally like my feelings would be hurt
Then you get the 80$ bill
@@eternalposts680 as far as i know ravioli usually used egg yolk tho?
@@dalrend7413 but- in the ravioli itself?? Not mixed into the rest of the filling, but just, a whole egg yolk.
Frank describing how he invented salt :
I was there 3000 years ago. I was searching for food by the great Atlantic by the cost of Morocco . As was laying on the shore after a long walk as the ocean splattered water on my body . As the water splashed on my body like mallet on a drum . The water entered my mouth . I sensed a unique but slightly plesent sensation on the tip of my tounge
I was in great curiosity to deeply understand this feeling so I filled my bottle with the ocean water and went to my shelter . After several years of research and experiment I had invented what will be known as the frist few grains of salt .
Since then I have been perfecting the production and uses of the finest quality of salt
Whoever this is gotta stop writing medieval biographies of franks food on every damn video
@@robertwayner3523 no, keep going
This got me cackling! lmaooo
You spelled tongue wrong.
@@robertwayner3523 absolutely! With this much time on their hands, they can come do my dishes and sort my laundry!!
Give. Onika. Her. Own. Show. I love her so much. Don't care if she's a "level 1" chef; she is level 💯 on our hearts! ❤
Plz no 👎🏾
Onika is just going with vibes. Lovin' it!
Gabrielle is so precious. Now, I'm inspired to start making my pasta from scratch.
“His name is Tom” LOLOLOL this level one chef made me giggle so much
I was loving the shade 🌲
?
Wait he was a guy???????
@@jakegames1642 her joke while grating the mozzarella. "Get out some aggression. Like you know that guy who sent you the email that you have to reply to, just think of that guy. His name is Tom."
@@tomf3150 Tom
I love Onika's confidence. That's level 1 cooking that most of us are going to do.
She sounds like had "something" [phlegm] stuck in her throat... It was uncomfortable to hear her.
Nope. Made Frank's recipe for my girlfriend for lunch- couldn't find duck eggs though- and it was quite easy. Duck confit here is easy to find and nettles are everywhere too.
Yeah, but confidence without skill is a VERY bad thing, which she demonstrated to GREAT EFFECT.
@@tomf3150 oh cool did it taste good?
I mean I learned you don't rinse pasta when I was like 12. You are giving her a bit too much credit.
I think it would be pretty interesting to have a blind judging at the end - the judge doesn't know which is the level 1/2/3 chef's food.
I LOVE Onika's sense of humour - I could have happily watched her cook and crack jokes for another 30 mins 😁😁
Frank was smiling so much... he knew he went off with his recipe
It sounded delicious
If I ordered ravioli at a restaurant and my plate came to my table with ONE (1) ravioli, I would riot.
It’s usually served as an appetizer or part of a multiple course tasting menu when served like this. It would never be an entree.
1 ravioli is a raviolo
@@adrieelizabeth8358 even if it was an appetizer i would still riot lol ur supposed to get smth that warms u up for a meal not smth that barely tickles ur tastes buds
@@bear-ycute327 If you go into a fancy fine dining restaurant and expect to not get small amounts of food, especially if it’s a tasting menu, that’s your own fault lmao. Tasting menus give you small amounts of many things to taste them.
@@fumblingcowssecondacount877 Omg what. Is this true?? I am destroyed 😭
“You want to rinse your noodles. Let me tell you why… Cos my mother did it.” I love Onika she’s so funny 😂
Gabrielle and Lorenzo always make the food I want to eat the most even though they are both "level 2"
When Onika shook her head in disgust at Frank putting a whole egg yolk in a ravioli I LOST IT.
Same, girl. Same.
@@aycalice31 I'de say I'm a level two, but I'm cool with level one. Whatever floats your boat. As long as my food tasted good, I don't care.
idc what you say that egg thing was the deal breaker😭
@@aycalice31 how do you know what level chef they are it's not like you can see their cooking through the screen
I like eggs just as much as the next person, but putting a whole egg yolk in a ravioli just sounds awful. Completely ruined what would’ve been an awesome dish
@@AshleySmith19912 its called ravioli (or raviolo since it's just one big one) al ouvo lol it's a legit italian dish
"So frank ur making pasta today"
Frank: "Duck"
Why did I read this and imagine the crew kneeling down as if he's about to chuck something at them?? Maybe some ravioli?
@@tracer.s Well he's certainly not putting the ravioli on a plate so may as well throw it at the crew.
I think the "it's done when it floats" thing comes from cooking gnocchi, where often they are done once they float due to taking on enough water.
I feel like this level 1 is the most level 1, level 1 I've ever seen on epicurious. I do love her though.
Onika: rinse the “muckety muck” off of the pasta
Every chef ever: never rinse the pasta and save the pasta water to use in the sauce it is liquid gold
I know that got me tight. I love using the pasta water in sauces
Fr tho. Onika nooooooooo 😭.
Onikka is the definition of a level 0 chef.
@@aclonymous Emily literally put ketchup with her French toast. No one is lower than that. No one deserves that disrespect.
@@sha9392 jokes on you peon Emily is a level 2 chef
Onika's reaction when hearing about egg yolk ravioli is sooo funny🤣
I love Onika, but Gabby had a few great lines too… I literally LOLd at “America’s Next Top Ravioli”
I liked this combination of chefs. They all were so vivacious and had such a great sense of humor. I also liked how they commented on each other's work. I hope we see them together on another segment.
How I was hoping to see a cross section of Frank’s duck egg ravioli 😭
Agreed! Ravioli is all about the insides, why do we only get to see the outside!
And at one raviolo it better be an appetizer. Needs all 3 for an entree.
How runny was that yolk
YES - I felt robbed.
Seriously all that built up
Frank is taking advantage of EVERY part of duck in this episode😂
Next up, fresh duck bill, eyes and feathers. Put them in a blender, add some tomatoes and we've got a sauce
He probably wrote down his recipe with a duck feather pen.
As a good chef should.
Probably using all the edible parts of the duck he hatched and raised.
It’s good to use as much as one can.
Onika is out here doing level 1 work and rocks it. Absolutely love her as an addition to this group.
Also her's looks the best as far as I am concerned, lmao! I love this lady!
onika's ravioli literally looked beautiful I would choose her's over the other two
W-what? 😨
@@oceanman6375 so late to this party but I can't help but read these comments... Her personality is so charming people can't help but pretend her food would taste better than that immaculate "raviolo" 🤣
Onika had me captured throughout the whole process. I felt fear a few times, but her ravioli pulled through, I frickin lover her energy
This is such a good series. It’s hard to describe... like springtime in Tuscany
Ever been to Tuscany?
Never been to Tuscany. Maybe one day...
I'm in Tuscany and I can tell you springtime here is very wet.... It's currently raining 😅
@@saralusini3698 I was just repeating what that woman said in the video hahaha. But thank you for the response! Sorry that you have to deal with the rain today, I hope it gets a sunnier soon!!!
@@iWantCorporalPunishment I figured but it was quite funny seeing the weather...
Gabrielle’s hand rolled pasta was a work of art…abstract art.
Onika is my favorite hands down, I stay laughing 😂 She’s too funny.
If someone ever serves me one raviolo I'm gunna serve them some hands
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It said ravioli on the MENU! Not raviolo!!! LOL
DEAL OF THE DAY
Chef’s special: these hands 100% off buy one get one free.
A wise man once said:
“Ravioli Ravioli give me the Formuoli!”
😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 so many people wont get this 🤣🤣🤣
@@PropheticOverflowMC Sadly
Someone please explain...?
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I was searching for this comment. I'm so happy now lmao
Onika's use of lasagna noodles is creative. I think I'm going to try that, but make a few adjustments. First I'll only boil the lasagna noodles once and then after putting the filling in and cutting them into squares, I'll sautee the ravioli with sliced cherry tomatoes, minced garlic, salt, pepper, spinach and top with cheese. I'll try that or maybe breading and frying the ravioli and serve it with a marinara dipping sauce.
Onika gave us the tea on her coworkers' emails AND an original way to eat pasta. the real winner for me
With peace and love, Onika proves herself as a Level 1 chef this time
Gabrielle was worried about pasta she forgot the training she got from Frank's recipe
The pasta will work out
idk how they upload so this could have been before? unless that was a long time ago
@@HT-pl8du this is definitely after
i love how frank explains things to us as he goes along!!
I love Onika's energy and smile. I would love to try Frank's ravioli.
Onika was such a wonderful addition to this video. She cracks me up 😂💙
I actually like the idea of using lasagna noodles for ravioli. I'm going to try that one.
I’m going to try it and up the game my frying it after it’s boiled
Had a delivery disaster at the restaurant once and the chef ended up using wonton wrappers. All the guests complimented the ravioli so much we've just done it that way ever since. 🤭
Layer the sheets instead of folding doe
@@merry_christmas "Ferb I know what we're going to do today!" Seriously though I have a whole packet of wonton wrappers left over and I'm going to try making fried ravioli with those to see how it turns out. Thank you for the story!
Please don’t!
I love that one of the messages from these videos is that there is no wrong way to make delicious, no matter how money or experience you have
This particular vid has so much chaotic energy and I thrive for it
" I guess I could google it but that would be boring ". Spoken like a true well-earned lvl 1 cook.
Guys, i think I know why Frank is finally back. He completed his preparations for the 3levels in growing his own vegetables and raising his own own meat. So after his reserves are used up he'll be gone again.
Or he'll just go back to his own channel and tease us with the star wars spoon.
I learn more from watching this show than I did in my culinary class. Im the kind of learner who understands better when given more explanation and information with evidences. I just tend to forget everything that I learned after a few days.
Onika is a mood, Gaby takes the crown in this episode, and Frank is putting his vest effort, nice Frank.
Using a pasta maker is not cheating cos that is literally what it's for. Lol. Esp if thinness is important.
It's food not a sport
They have pasta makers that will make pasta from scratch and exude it in the shape programmed. Using pasta roller is normal.
Agreed. It's not just pasta machines - there is an entire arsenal of tools used for making pasta of different shapes, sizes, and consistencies. A pasta machine is one of the staples in any professional kitchen, that emphasises speed and consistency above anything else. This is a first for me though, seeing Chef Frank use an electric pasta machine - I believe he's used a hand-crank variant before on the channel.
Imagine cutting meat without a knife
@@mzhtan He might have gotten an attachment sent to him as a gift by Cuisinart since he uses their appliances often.
I see Frank finally grew and collected all the wheat for the pasta.
I love how the show shows each step of level 2 and 3's pasta preparation, while showing level 1 throwing hers in boiling water.
Happy to see Frank using the KitchenAid attachment. I helped make ravioli for several hundred people once and we had ONE hand roller and 2 molds that made 10 pieces at a time.
Frank NEEEEDS his OWN show I swear! I'd Pay to watch him cook. Dude is very creative
Someone else mentioned he has his own channel called protocooks
Tvfilthyfrank
I appreciate Frank showing how to make traditional homemade raviolis on his channel, and I like his decision to use a different recipe for this show, just to spice things up.
Can we concur people that Rose is seriously amazing!!💯😃👌👏👏. Honestly I could listen to her discuss the history of food and I would never get bored!
Fell in love with homemade ravioli and Gabrielle all from one video.
Frank: "And here is my duck ravioli"
Me: "Don't you mean raviolo?"
When you were just trying to find something to watch while you eat when suddenly FRANK
I don't appreciate you spying on my life like this
u wanna eat frank? o_O
@@thespingy who doesn’t 😋
@@reverently 🤨📸
@@thespingy I was searching for something to watch WHILE I eat lmao
Onika is the biggest mood LMAO loved her energy
Fun person, just shouldnt be cooking for anyone in a kitchen lol
Onika seems like good people. I have liked her in every episode she is in! A welcome addition to the teams and I would love to sit at her table!
This level 1 is hilarious 😂 I hope she becomes a regular
i wish they showed the cross section of frank’s. i really wanted to see how the yolk turned out
I like Onika’s version cause she added those delicious sauteed cherry tomatoes on top.
the ravoli looked beat up to death
Frank is extra with everything but the actual amount of ravioli being served.
Wow that was an entertaining one, everyone was so hyped up 😂
I am disappointed we didn’t see Frank cutting into the ravioli with the duck egg yolk oozing out!
Ugh yesssssss
I love pork.
Lorenzo's and Frank's methods are very good.
I'm looking forward to trying them.
Keep these clips coming, I like them. Ideas to add to my menu.
First time I thought all 3 were equally delicious looking!
Ok, but Onika's Ravioli is so clever and easy! How come I never thought of that!
Onika here getting flattered but i seriously got the feeling it's her 1st time in a kitchen, her knife skills were OG
Tip alone. lmao 😂
She has nails on. If you never wore acrylic nails and cooked before I suggest you refrain from commenting. She's actually doing pretty well for someone with an acrylic set. Normal ppl can't even turn the stove nob on with them.
I love Frank soo sooo much. The man just has some vibes that light up my mood
Oneika...for a level one chef your dish has the best look..People eat with their eyes first..love your creativity and spontaneity